Nova starting tomorrow
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 30, 2011 
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Ivan Nova will “start” tomorrow’s resumed game. Freddy Garcia will pitch Sunday.
“After that, I can’t tell you how we’ll
do it,” Girardi said.
The Yankees and Tigers will now play four days in a row, Saturday through Tuesday.
Just bring CC back out.
If this were the good ol days of Earl Weaver and Gil Hodges, CC and Verlander would start 3 times in this series anyway.
Enough coddling these pitchers. They are men. This is the playoffs. Get them out there,
So does this mean we get to see Penny-AJ in game 4?
I think this helps the Yankees because it removes the Tigers biggest weapon – Verlander.
That hurricane road trip may have us better prepared for this than the Tigers…
Bret-
Cool. My older sister went to Auburn. I didn’t know how far south you were talking about haha.
So Nova pitches tomorrow and game 5, Garcia pitches game 2, CC can comeback for game 3, who pitches game 4??? AJ???? yikes
In 2006, Game 2, a night game, was postponed and turned into a day game. Tigres won.
In 2011, Game 2, a night game, is postponed and turned into a day game. Tigres win ?
See the parallel ?
So CC can’t pitch until Monday?
Maybe the Yanks can sneak in 3 wins before they ever have to face Verlander in this series.
So… This in an odd way neutralizes Verlander.
It also hurts the Yanks because it removes CC. The rest of the Yanks rotation isn’t exactly fantastic. I love Nova but it’s his first postseason start. Freddy has been great this year but I’m not totally confident in him either. Plus it takes away CC starting twice so we have the great fortune of throwing AJ in a potential elimination game.
I like this decision.
7 IP of shutout relief by Nova would be great!
So CC for only 1 start (or 1 and 2 innings)?
I want to hear what Detroit plans to do with Verlander.
GIRARDI HAS ANNOUNCED
Nova pitches tomorrow
Freddy pitches Sunday
he’ll go from there.
It’s a done deal.
So we deal with it.
He has NO idea when CC will pitch next.
This only helps us if Leyland indeed scratches Verlander as well.
If not, it really screws us.
we’ll see what the Tigers do…..CC only going once sucks though. CC only threw 2 more pitches than Verlander did despite throwing another inning. My guess is that they both throw Game 4 on 3 days rest.
jacksquat, Leyland is addressing the press next
Joe is an idiot. No CC on Sunday means he only pitches once in the series.
Pitch him Sunday and he can pitch a Game 5
the biggest thing for the yankees is not to let this get into their heads. in a perverse way, maybe all the rain outs during the season prepped them for more of this stuff in the post.
as flaherty just said, the tigers have their lineup against the lefty in the game, and since they pick it up, they face the righty nova.
Jack Curry thinks this still favors the Yanks.
So do I.
Yanks ae a better overall team.
Brendan Prunty
Fister tomorrow. Scherzer on Sunday. Verlander on Monday.
yay, now Burnett becomes a factor in this series. What a disaster.
Also neutralizes out advantage of a strong bullpen considering there is no off-day now – so 4 games in a row.
Verlander is pitching Game 3 on Monday
CC hasn’t pitched in 9 days. If Leyland pitches Verl on Sunday which would be expected, they have him 2 times for the series.
Leyland up.
Verlander pitched one inning !!! he hardly got warm !
So Joe is planning on going Nova, Garcia, AJ, Sabathia Nova ?
CC-Verlander on Monday for the pivotal game three…weather permitting. Hopefully Yanks up 2-0 at that point.
If your removed Verlander, the Yankees match up good with the Tigers even if CC is missing. The rest of their staff stinks as much as the rest of ours but the Yankees offense is better as is the bullpen. Losing Verlander really foils the Tigers. Yanks should hopefully sneak in and rattle off 3 consecutive wins before Verlander pitches another game in 2011.
Yankees have been dealing with this all season, no big deal.
This series could be heavily influenced by AJ Burnett now.
The bats are going to need to produce. Can’t have a post season no show like last year.
How does this favor the Yankees when we were planning on going with 3 starters?
you know, watching Joe and Leyland, they seem less worked up about this than some here.
you just deal with it. it’s the same for both teams. they play every day, just like the regular season. best team wins.
you just deal with it.
I think Leyland/Girardi both tried to hide Garcia and Scherzer in spacious Comerica
Now they both have to pitch in NYS.
This series is going to be on the bats now. No excuses. They are much better than the Detroit bats and need to prove it.
id go with cc on sunday and in game 5. thats what eck and smoltz said
Girardi has managed this team all season. He knows how to plug in his guys and when not to.
AJ has come up big for the Yankees during the season, even though it wasn’t all the time. Nothing says he won’t do it again.
I guess you can bemoan what’s happening and just complain about it and be negative or you can deal with it the way the Yankees have to deal with it and have faith in the team to play well.
Your choice.
Because we have 5 starters. We can piece the innings together.
“id go with cc on sunday and in game 5. thats what eck and smoltz said”
Yeah because you eck and smoltz know CC much better than Joe does.
If you’re not going to throw Sabathia or Verlander on Sunday then to me it lessens the importance of whether they throw Monday or Tuesday because they can’t throw Game 5 either way. It depends on how the series goes
Its not the same for both teams. The Tigers are still using 4 starters
Idiots, they could have waited 30 minutes to start the game and seen it wasn’t gonna happen. It’s not like they didn’t know today that this was coming tonight. Huge disadvantage for the Yanks.
And screw all this flipping rain! Doubtful that the game won’t be affected by the weather tomorrow.
The Yanks have to consider pitching CC on Sunday, then you would have him if there is a game 5. Even if he could only throw 80 pitches and then you could bring in AJ. AJ pitching a game 4 would be a disaster.
Allan James is worse than Lackey .
Oh boy .
Joe from LI and mel – thanks for rational thinking.
Went to the same high school as Max and he’s very good friends with my older brother. I’ll have to call him at 4:00 a.m. Sunday morning now for a little wake up call haha.
This will get worked out somehow. We don’t know exactly how many games will end up being played, a team could sweep (hopefully the Yankees).
No sense in getting worked up about it. Both teams will have pretty much the same effect, except that CC has already pitched 2 innings, meaning one less for Nova to have to pitch. That could be an advantage for the Yanks.
CC going in game 3 to shut the door wouldn’t be a bad thing. The last thing you would want is CC to get injured because of going too soon.
The talking heads brought up a good point about not knowing how many pitches might have been thrown indoors to keep the pitchers warmed up.
Very weird watching Torre in a postseason podium in a suit and tie.
Good question…… Tigers had left handed line up in to face CC. Game resumes with Nova and they can’t switch line-up to accomodate a righty pitcher.
The yankees have to win 3 out of 5. If the game comes down to a must win for AJ (as so many of you are b!tching about) then it means that at least 2 of the 3 before him didn’t get it done.
Wow. What a turn of events.
This almost neutralizes both Aces unless Leyland brings Verlander back this weekend which would be a tremendous risk.
If Verlander pitches tomorrow or Sunday and gets shellacked because he threw tonight it could cost them the series. With no off days this is a completely different series now.
I think you can be sure AJ will pitch in it.
This is going to be one of those crazy series. That much is certain.
I think Girardi has to go Nova, Freddy and see where we are in the series. If it’s must win game, he can roll the dice and throw CC on Monday otherwise I think AJ will be starting that game. If he throws CC on Monday, then AJ pitches game 4. Either way, AJ is pitching either game 3 or 4 as it stands. Gulp.
If Yankees lead 2-0 in series and Verl and CC havent gone yet…Joe should save CC for Game 4 if Verl goes Game 3.
i didnt say i know more than giradi. in fact there is probably nobody on here who supports girardi more than i do
id still go with cc sunday and game 5
and i think girardi is moy
This is a wash because neither manager would risk changing his rotation.
I would wait and see how the series is before I line it up beyond Nova-Garcia.
As of now, it is Nova-Fister and Garcia-Scherzer.
If we’re up 2-0, I might just throw out Burnett against Verlander as a freebie game like we did in 09 with Burnett vs. Lee.
then I bring back CC on 3 days in game 4 vs. Porcello on Tuesday
Either way, CC-Verlander are only going to pitch once now and Nova/Fister go twice anyway you slice it.
# Red Robin September 30th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
In 2006, Game 2, a night game, was postponed and turned into a day game. Tigres won.
In 2011, Game 2, a night game, is postponed and turned into a day game. Tigres win ?
See the parallel ?
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Great point. Except tonight was game 1 and it will be turned into a night game tomorrow. Otherwise the parallel is astounding. Der.
Is Bruce Chen available?
Wow, this is unbelievable…..CC and Verlander both lost. How appropos given the weather this year. I never thought this would have happened a few days ago
While I’m extremely frustrated, put me in the camp that thinks this situation is worse for Detroit.
I’m out…..how disappointing.
Playing 4 days in a row now takes away alot of Joe’s flexibility in using his pen
CC on the podium
The rainout makes the 5 game folly of a series even more of a joke. Your ace pitches once. What if we played Texas. They lose Wilson. big deal but we lose CC.
CC talking now mlb network
AJ will have to pitch now…..but the Yankees have a better offense and now that becomes important than it was
“I would wait and see how the series is before I line it up beyond Nova-Garcia.”
That’s what Joe said he’s going to do. He also said he’s going to talk to CC and he’ll see how he’s feeling.
While I’m extremely frustrated, put me in the camp that thinks this situation is worse for Detroit.
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In what way is this worse for Detroit when now they get to face Burnett?
did girardi say cc wouldnt go sunday bc cc just said he wants the ball as much as possible when a reporter asked him if he’d go sunday
Tough for both teams. I do think it hurts the Tigers more. That being said, Bud Selig is the biggest idiot on the planet. I know it is a business but you just really killed this series. To try to milk T.V. ratings, you just limited the amount of appearances by 2 star pitchers and 2 of the most popular players in the game. Well done.
full warmup around 48 pitches
If I were Leyland I would throw Verlander on Sunday. It would give him such an advantage.
And Verlander has a bionic arm.
Leyland will throw Verlander 130 pitches in a game. Now he’s going to start taking it easy with him?
They just played some interview clips of Maddon and Matt Moore after the game. Moore was very impressive in how he approached the game.
Well, at least this isn’t boring, right?
Verlander in Game 3 means probably CC in game 3.
So Nova – Garcia – CC – AJ – Nova
I don’t think Hughes is an option to start.
AJ having to start is a disadvantage on paper for the Yankees. He could pitch well but he is totally unreliable.
Let’s hope for a 3 game sweep.
cc says he will present his case to pitch sunday
We don’t know if rain will be a factor for any other games that scheduled, so they might get an off day that is unscheduled.
I could see CC going on Sunday. I could see CC going Monday, even though it limits him going twice.
We don’t know if the series will go the full five games or if it will go three, or four.
Triple Short of a Cycle September 30th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
While I’m extremely frustrated, put me in the camp that thinks this situation is worse for Detroit.
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In what way is this worse for Detroit when now they get to face Burnett?
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Trust me, Detroit did not want the Yanks lineup to face Brad Penney.
It now makes it imperative that the Yankees win the first 2 games of the series.
Otherwise, they have to roll the dice and throw CC on 2 days rest vs. Verlander like Leyland is doing. Because if we lose that game…. then it is AJ Burnett on the mound trailing 2-1 with a chance to be eliminated.
Games 1-2 are now must wins. Girardi also now can’t go to the pen as liberally as he planned to now that the off-day is gone.
cc feels he can go sunday
CC is gonnA LOBby for Sunday. Good! A real leader
It also messes up the pen – no days off for Mo/Robertson.
Why they started this game is beyond me, but the Yankees are not as deep in SP as other teams and they might pay for that
Brad Penny would have been tasty.
AJ pitching could turn out to be a plus. This is why they play the games. Otherwise the RS would be crowned the WS champions, and we all know how that turned out.
Oh wow. You can’t change the line ups either.
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Porcello Game 4, Fister Game 5, Leyland says… Acknowledges dilemma because NYY will have a RHer instead of LHer with his lineup set.
“Trust me, Detroit did not want the Yanks lineup to face Brad Penney.”
Penny still won’t be a factor considering they were always going with 4 starters. It will still be Porcello in game 4. Except now it will be Fister in game 5.
I think this plays to the Yankees advantage, and if there is a rainout tomorrow, even more so.
Verlander will pitch Monday Leyland says. Joe would not commit to pitching CC Monday but I have a feeling that it may play out that way. Fister would get Game 5 for Detroit if it comes to that, he said.
so hows my idea looking now trisha?
No matter which way you slice it, Verlander cannot go twice in this series. That was the Tigers only hope IMHO. Forget about AJ. This lineup should be able to pound their other starters outside of Verlander so if the best Verlander can give the Tigers is one win, they’re in trouble.
Similar to what CB says, if the Yanks pitch CC on Sunday and Detroit holds back Verl, it gives us a huge adv.
Who wants Colon over Ayala now?
Nova is happy because he’s the #1 starter. How nice for him
What dilemma? You just play the players you started. Though I would have no problems subbing them out on offense.
I guess if you’re going to pitch AJ you want to pitch him in Detroit as that park plays a little better for pitchers than YS.
I think Leyland throws Verlander tomorrow or Sunday. I don’t think he’ll wait. That first inning was basically a throw day.
AJ pitching…….well, thems the breaks.
I actually like the matchup of AJ against this Tigers team, especially in a big ballpark like Comerica. He is away from home and the boo-birds. He can’t get hurt as much with the long ball.
Rain could be a factor tomorrow as well, unfortunately.
jacksquat September 30th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Who wants Colon over Ayala now?
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I have been saying that. Arms are important. Rather have 3 long men than 2
Joe was asked the question and said there was no way CC was pitching on Sunday. He was going to see how he felt to see when he would pitch next.
INTELLIGENT REMARK BY LARRY BOWA – these men are power pitchers. I wouldn’t pitch them until Monday.
It doesn’t matter how much you want to see CC on the mound. It’s what’s best for him and what’s best for the Yankees that should take priority. I wouldn’t want to see him one second before he is really ready to pitch.
The Yankees are going to need to get length from Nova and from Freddy.
Girardi also may need to be more cautious about using both Soriano and Robertson in the same game.
Will we see Montero behind the plate Sunday at 3:07
sunday would be cc’s ‘throw day’ wouldnt it?
Saturday – Nova
Sunday – Sabathia
Monday – Garcia
Tuesday – Burnett
Thursday – Sabathia (Nova available in relief)
That works, right?
I’ve said it many times before, and I’ll say it again. Kay is a moron.
If rain is a factor tomorrow, then Hughes needs to resume the game. Otherwise you lose CC AND Nova for days on end.
Good thing we put AJ on the roster. Imagine if that game 4 had to be started by Hughes or Noesi? As it is, the pen is going to be very taxed without the off-day now, that would have killed them.
Then again… AJ himself might only last 2 innings.
Ugh, this sucks.
Penny isn’t pitching. Detroit was always going 4 man. The only difference is Fister goes twice instead of Verlander. We instead pitch AJ. Huge advantage for Detroit
“I actually like the matchup of AJ against this Tigers team, especially in a big ballpark like Comerica. He is away from home and the boo-birds. He can’t get hurt as much with the long ball.”
I agree. I still trust AJ to be able to pitch a good game. So I’m not going to curl in a ball because he may have to pitch.
Bret The Hitman September 30th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
No matter which way you slice it, Verlander cannot go twice in this series. That was the Tigers only hope IMHO. Forget about AJ. This lineup should be able to pound their other starters outside of Verlander so if the best Verlander can give the Tigers is one win, they’re in trouble.
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Fister is no slouch.
CB-
SuperNova only has to pitch 4 innings to get to SoRoMo
Nova already has a head start for the game being that two innings are already gone for the Yankees. If Nova goes 6, that is 8 innings. I don’t think that will mess up the bullpen.
M, I do not see how Hughes can possibly go -despite what Joe said; he’s not stretched out. Plus, with the rain and the probability of a wet mound/field/whatever, in combo with his back issues – not good.
That’s ridiculous that you can’t change your lineups………..I hate MLB. I love the game, I hate MLB.
Sucks for the fans who traveled to the Stadium for 1 and 1/2 innings…guess the fans go back tomorrow? Anybody know what happens if a fan from tonight’s game tossed or lost his ticket stub?? How does he get admitted tomorrow?? Just wondering if anyone knows???
Penny might have pitched if they had resumed the game tonight after a long delay. You never know. But when he comes in, he’ll be tasty.
“Fister is no slouch.”
The Yankees beat Fister when they faced him.
Betsy September 30th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
It also messes up the pen – no days off for Mo/Robertso
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Hopefully they have a couple of blowouts in this series so that won’t be a factor
If you can’t beat Fister you don’t deserve to move on.
I forgot all aobut Porcello. My fault. So game 4 might be Porcello vs. Burnett?…..
Yank1,
Couldn’t agree more.
They have to be up 2-0 going to Detroit, or else AJ is going to be starting a crucial swing game.
I actually like the idea of matching up AJ with Verlander and CC with Porcello if we are up 2-0.
I presume that the mound, if its wet would be a problem for any pitcher.
“If rain is a factor tomorrow, then Hughes needs to resume the game. Otherwise you lose CC AND Nova for days on end.”
I was just thinking the same thing.
It may be far too risky to start nova tomorrow if there’s a risk for more rain.
They may need to start a reliever if depending on how things look in terms of the forecast.
The tigers having their LH pitching line up in is a real advantage for the yanks. Hopefully Nova has his slider.
Big thing for the Yanks is to jump out early tomorrow. Get a couple run lead and you’re only 21 outs away and just 4 innings away from the back end of the pen. Soriano-Robertson-Rivera better get ready for a heavy workload. They will be busy these next 4 games.
Comment one: MLB should be whipped and taken to task on this one. I’m sure TBS called the shots. Let’s see: day game in the Midwest time zone and night game in the East? Knowing that there was rain in the forecast? Total chumps–I guess they’re in shock since their anointed team the Sox is back where they belong in the karmic loss column, and with the firing of Francona, they will be there for years to come.
Comment two: Verlander pitched as many pitches as CC tonight. This is a very interesting decision–start them on Sunday/Game 5 but then lose them for the beginning of an ALCS if you win? I think the outcome of the game tomorrow night may change things around a bit–one option would be to have CC (and/or Verlander) throw two innings on Sunday (it’s their throw day anyway) if things get out of hand early.
Comment three: this does favor the Yankees, since they will face Verlander only once. AJ can deal with it, and he has a lot of backup and a very short leash. The Yankees BP can handle it. The team that wins this will then have their ace set up for game 1 of the ALCS.
Sucks for the fans who traveled to the Stadium for 1 and 1/2 innings…guess the fans go back tomorrow? Anybody know what happens if a fan from tonight’s game tossed or lost his ticket stub?? How does he get admitted tomorrow?? Just wondering if anyone knows???
Good questions. They might keep Game 2 tickets as Game 1 and tell Game 1 people they can come on Sunday. Quite confusing!
Odds, Yanks haven’t played too many of those and I don’t think it likely……
Yogi, what did Kay say?
RadioKev September 30th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Bret The Hitman September 30th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
No matter which way you slice it, Verlander cannot go twice in this series. That was the Tigers only hope IMHO. Forget about AJ. This lineup should be able to pound their other starters outside of Verlander so if the best Verlander can give the Tigers is one win, they’re in trouble.
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Fister is no slouch.
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True. But Nova is no slouch either. The silver lining is, Detroit needed 2 wins from Verlander. Verlander was the biggest obstacle standing in the way of the Yankees in 2011 IMHO. We’re talking about a CY-MVP (possibly).
CB,
We have 2 innings in the book already. Only need to score and hold for 7 more.
Not to much to ask, right?
We’ve been so concerned about pitching we forgot about the fact that the Yankee’s get first-ups and last-ups.. since the game is tied it’s pretty much giving us an extra 3 outs, if you look at it like a new game..
that is aHUGE gift.
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 30th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
“Fister is no slouch.”
The Yankees beat Fister when they faced him.
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I’m not going to argue that the guy is Cliff Lee or something, but take a look at his numbers this year.
http://www.baseball-reference......do01.shtml
If that’s a slouch, I’d take him any day.
Jorge is due to lead off vs. Fister.
One swing and Nova will make his postseason debut at home yet with a lead. Maybe Martin senses Fister’s nerves and pounces too. Then Gardner gets on, runs wild on V-Mart, and we’re off to the races, big inning, crooked number.
And out comes Nova, nerves of steel and with a lead.
Dream big.
Aj pitched once in Detroit 7 innings 3 hits 2 earned runs, held batters to .130BA
“What dilemma? ”
No dilemma for Yankees. Verlander and Fister are both righty. Leyland had a line-up in to face a lefty and now will be facing a righty when the game resumes. He can make changes but the players would be subbed out of the game.
M, ok, but he is still not stretched out. If Joe had any intention of making Hughes a long man or such, he would have started him in Tampa.
Doc would you throw away your ticket to a playoff game? I wouldn’t. These days a lot of people get their tickets online. Those would be retrievable. I feel bad for the fans planning to go to Game 2 tomorrow.
game 1 is suspended and will be resumed tomorrow, game 2 has been moved to sunday. seems pretty clear to me.
Pitt, that’s another thing. Assuming AJ starts, then Phil has to be the emergency long man so he can’t start or pitch multiple innings tomorrow or anytime before AJ’s game
“SuperNova only has to pitch 4 innings to get to SoRoMo”
But now I don’t know if you can use all three of them in one game. Without that off day you may only be able to use 2 of the three.
It’s much more complicated to use that dominant back end now.
I don’t think they can afford to just throw Nova for only 4 innings and then go with their usual formula.
The team’s bats need to step up.
Good night guys…..this sucks, but in the end i think it might help us in the end.
trisha,
Normally, people with tickets to game 1 go to game 1, so I think the fans get pushed back. Which sucks for those who planned to go on Friday OR Saturday but can’t make the rescheduled game.
I think both managers will decide game 3 starters based on how the first two games come down. And, one of the factors will be how much the bullpen gets used in 1 and 2.
kay brings up a big point. with his righty lineup in the game, they have to face nova, and if leyland pinch hits the lefties, he can’t go righty when joe uses logan.
coupled with the fact that the yanks have an extra half-inning tomorrow, and how close the teams are, this might help the yanks win a game. and in a 5 game series, it could be big.
split dh on sunday? oh, such fun.
pat,
Sorry, I was being sarcastic. Flew too low. My bad.
“Penny isn’t pitching. Detroit was always going 4 man. The only difference is Fister goes twice instead of Verlander. We instead pitch AJ. Huge advantage for Detroit”
Don’t agree. Curry see it as advantage Yankees. With the depth of our pen I definitely agree.
Harold Reynolds sees advantage Yankees also.
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Hey this is baseball. Sometimes it’s unpredictable. If you trust your manager and trust your team, then just keep having faith and hope for the best. Leyland has to make the same kinds of changes.
Pitchers like Fister are prone to giving this current Yankee lineup a tough time being a RHP with quality off-speed stuff. Forget about Tex and Swisher against him.
No real #s for Det vs. Nova (on 2 IP, both last yr).
The Yanks have at least seen Fister enough to know what he throws. The Tigers will only be going on a scouting report.
“Aj pitched once in Detroit 7 innings 3 hits 2 earned runs, held batters to .130BA”
Buster Olney
Sabathia indicated he will lobby to pitch Sunday, so he can get the ball a’s much as possible in the series
Joe won’t change his mind……..
What I meant to say is there is no dilemma. You can’t sub out your guys the first time through the lineup. But I wouldn’t be upset if Leyland did it.
Goodnight everyone.
Girardi would never do it but it makes some sense to have AJ pitch tomorrow. You would only need 3-4 good innings from him(which is usually the most he can give you) and then you go to So/Ro/Mo. Then CC, Nova, Garcia, CC. It won’t happen but it would be interesting only if Girardi was willing to pitch CC on Sunday and then he would be available for game 5.
They just announced that people that went to the game tonight will come back tomorrow.Those originally going tomorrow will go to the game Sunday..But I’m just wondering about the poor slob that lost his ticket stub…I know some tickets are print at home and can be reprinted, but I bet there are some that are not the print at home version….
“Pitchers like Fister are prone to giving this current Yankee lineup a tough time being a RHP with quality off-speed stuff. Forget about Tex and Swisher against him.”
Fister played the Yanks at the Stadium and lost.
Fister had a sensational last 10 games with an ERA at 1.79.. he has a 3.49 in 3 seasons. I don’t think the guy is soft at all. In fact, he can be a future ACE, or a solid #2.. based on what his stats are showing anyway.
One thing I noticed is that he has balked 4x in the last 2 seasons.. that’s good to know.. get into his head with runners on base and try and stir up his nerves a bit and force him to balk
I’ve eaten so many chocolate cookies today its disgusting… what a waste!!
maybe, just maybe, if it looks like a rain-affected game tomorrow, they do go to Phil, instead of Nova. He’s still a righty, and it saves Nova for Sunday twin bill.
you have to think of these things.
“Joe won’t change his mind……..”
Agree. He sounded very firm in that decision.
none of the players or coaches are bent out of shape about the rain or susupension. the annnouncers like sterling are all bent out of shape about it.
Yankee Trader September 30th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Will we see Montero behind the plate Sunday at 3:07
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I’d bet a lot of money that we won’t.
“Not to much to ask, right?”
No. Not at all. For the game tomorrow – it’s definitely an advantage for the yanks. A considerable one. They get three more outs and don’t have the line up issues the tigers have.
The impact of this is going to be so contingent on AJ’s level of performance.
If AJ does OK this becomes a huge advantage for the yanks because it means Verlander only gets one game.
But having AJ pitch may literally translate into giving Detroit a free game.
I suppose it doesn’t matter in the scope of things as AJ was going to need to pitch in the ALCS if the yanks made it.
His variability though is going to have a huge impact on this series for both teams.
Better for the yanks to just sweep and make that game irrelevant
time for bed. early day tomorrow.
rain, rain, go away…….
I think the Yankees have the advantage. The Yankees saw Fister in Seattle and beat him. No reason to think they can’t again. Yankees also made Verlander pitch a lot both times they saw him, and no reason to think they can’t again.
Comerica is a pitcher’s park, so that favors AJ. Freddy will have a short leash as well on Sunday. The Yanks have had a lot of practice pitching a bunch of guys 2-3 innings each in the last week or so. I am OK with this.
Hate to be a Negative Nathan, but Tex and Swisher can be forgotten about with almost anybody when games really count..! Maaannnn.. Pleassssseeee !
I wouldn’t throw out my ticket, but I could picture someone misplacing their stub….Guess they’d be screwed ,especially if they bought the ticket from a scalper just before the game….
AJ may surprise us all. Make him use the hook, and if he can’t, or it isn’t sharp, pull him early. He really did look better in his last 2 starts…
“I’m not going to argue that the guy is Cliff Lee or something, but take a look at his numbers this year.
http://www.baseball-reference……do01.shtml
If that’s a slouch, I’d take him any day.”
All I said was that the Yankees have already faced Fister and beaten him. It was in response to someone’s panicked post about what Fister can do to the Yankees.
Really MLB Network has Get off My Mound D bag Braden on the set. Cmon Man
You have to assume AJ will be blow up and prepare accordingly…….negative ? You betcha, but he doesn’t deserve any benefit of the doubt.
if the yanks sweep, then AJ doesn’t matter. ‘
Nova (or Phil or AJ if it looks like it may get called) will go out in the 3rd and only have to put up 5-6 good innings, and it will save the bullpen. garcia has been knows to win a game or two at the Stadium. then cc monday for the kill.
good night.
Well that sucked
So does this mean that Montero catches the game that CC pitches? You can’t have him catch Garcia or AJ. Or does Martin catch 4 straight games? Jackson is really the only one in the Tigers lineup that steals bases so I think he would be ok back there. But Girardi probably doesn’t trust him enough to do that. Instead he will just wear Martin out.
Well, at least when the game starts tomorrow, we get to bat 1st!
“I think the Yankees have the advantage. The Yankees saw Fister in Seattle and beat him. No reason to think they can’t again. Yankees also made Verlander pitch a lot both times they saw him, and no reason to think they can’t again.
Comerica is a pitcher’s park, so that favors AJ. Freddy will have a short leash as well on Sunday. The Yanks have had a lot of practice pitching a bunch of guys 2-3 innings each in the last week or so. I am OK with this.”
Don’t rain on the parade of those Yankee fans who would rather be nervous wrecks about this and imagine nothing but doom.
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The Yankees had the best record in the AL. They have been to the postseason for 16 of the last 17 years. Joe Girardi has managed the team to a world series plus he has dealt with a lot of rain delays and changes and he’s used to it. If anyone truly believes that one game is going to change the entire course of the Yankees postseason, you couldn’t have had much faith in them going into this.
Leyland is also off his game plan.
Ledger_Yankees Marc Carig
We have been informed that Bud Selig says no to a doubleheader under any circumstances. #nyy
So what do they do if there is rain tomorrow?
With Verlander on the mound, Detroit players were really hoping to go up 1-0. They weren’t mentally prepared for this and if they end up down in an 0-1 hole instead, the pressure really builds. If the Yankees go up 1-0 tomorrow, Garcia can really capitalize on that added stress because he knows how to pitch to the situation.
Also – via RAB – Davidoff is saying that due to the cancellation the teams can change their rosters for the ALDS in response.
So if they want the yanks can add Noesi or Colon for Ayala, etc.
http://twitter.com/#!/KenDavid.....1923026944
“Well, at least when the game starts tomorrow, we get to bat 1st!
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Way cool!
I guess the Yankees could also add Romine to the roster now if they wanted to.
I’m not going to get too carried away about cc not pitching for a while. Wouldn’t shock me at all if he came back for Game 3.
That’s good news……..I would add Noesi over Colon.
martin will certainly want to start every game. i think he’ll be fine he did it during the RS
WOW! I hope Joe adds Noesi in place of Ayala. This is where the Yankees depth really emerges as an advantage in this rain suspension situation.
“negative ? You betcha, but he doesn’t deserve any benefit of the doubt.”
Actually I am giving him every benefit of the doubt since I believe there is as much chance he will pitch a great game as there is he won’t.
That said, I agree that you have all contingencies in order!
I’m fine with CC not getting a quick call back. We need him hopefully for a long run.
I do this.
Nova-game 1
Freddy-game 2
If we are up 2 games I pitch AJ on a very short leash Game 3
Hopefully we don’t see a game 4, but if we do I use CC, and then Nova for Game 5.
Not sure on the days rest for Nova, but I’m thinking it’s okay, because there’s probably a travel day before game 5.
Tickets for tonight’s game have to be used tomorrow. Tickets for Game 2, initially scheduled for tomorrow, have to be used Sunday.
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 30th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
“I think the Yankees have the advantage. The Yankees saw Fister in Seattle and beat him. No reason to think they can’t again. Yankees also made Verlander pitch a lot both times they saw him, and no reason to think they can’t again.
Comerica is a pitcher’s park, so that favors AJ. Freddy will have a short leash as well on Sunday. The Yanks have had a lot of practice pitching a bunch of guys 2-3 innings each in the last week or so. I am OK with this.”
Don’t rain on the parade of those Yankee fans who would rather be nervous wrecks about this and imagine nothing but doom.
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The Yankees had the best record in the AL. They have been to the postseason for 16 of the last 17 years. Joe Girardi has managed the team to a world series plus he has dealt with a lot of rain delays and changes and he’s used to it. If anyone truly believes that one game is going to change the entire course of the Yankees postseason, you couldn’t have had much faith in them going into this.
Leyland is also off his game plan.
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Shhhhh… Don’t tell anyone. Let them lose sleep over game 4 because we’re sure to be down 1-2 by this time, our offense won’t score & we’ll have AJ, a pitcher who’s never won or kept his team in a game in the post season before.
“I’m not going to get too carried away about cc not pitching for a while. Wouldn’t shock me at all if he came back for Game 3.”
I’m with ya Carlo. And since getting carried away isn’t going to change anything anyway, I’d rather save my energy for cheering the Yanks on to victory!
Night all.
AJ was a disaster in the 09′ play offs pitching on the road. I know it’s a different year but I would be very nervous about him being able to handle pitching on the road with those stupid towels waving. Too bad they can’t change the roster and add Colon for Ayala. That way if it’s obvious AJ doesn’t have it early they can bring in Colon.
Sorry, LGY. My friends were up there too and one of them can’t make it back tomorrow because of a family obligation. Hope you can make it back.
Lock – you got it.
I would dump Ayala and add Noesi–but I don’t think it matters.
For all of you AJ naysayers, his numbers against Detroit are pretty good, and his numbers when the weather is cold aren’t so bad either. I think this may be advantage Yankees–that’s why they play the games.
Now, given the delay–how bout them Sox? Oh, the humanity. Couldn’t happen to a better Luccino.
I agree that Comerica could help AJ a lot. Home runs are a big problem for him (with the walks, wild pitches and hit batters). He pitched one game at Comerica this year, 7 innings, 3 hits, 1 walk, 5 ks’, 5 runs but only 2 earned runs.
m, there is a travel day between 4 & 5. My concern is more rain in the forecast for tomorrow – that could really screw things up.
RadioKev September 30th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 30th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
“Fister is no slouch.”
The Yankees beat Fister when they faced him.
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I’m not going to argue that the guy is Cliff Lee or something, but take a look at his numbers this year.
http://www.baseball-reference……do01.shtml
If that’s a slouch, I’d take him any day.
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“Don’t sell yourself short, Judge. You’re a tremendous slouch.”
If it’s raining tomorrow night – I wonder if you throw Hughes out there and ask him to empty the tank for as long as he can go and hope you can get four innings out of him and then go to the pen.
That would allow you to skip AJ.
If it’s raining it will be very risky to start Nova and then have the game stopped or even canceled. So if it is raining I think you have to seriously consider using Hughes to start the game depending on what the forecast looks like.
I would definitely add Colon for Ayala or Logan. Now that AJ is getting a start they have to add a long guy incase AJ doesn’t give them length. Hughes can probably only give them 30 pitches at the most. They need length now with 4 straight games.
Fister would be a #1 on the Yankees rotation.
Don’t underestimate him.
I predict he will pitch a shutout tomorrow.
I don’t think big spots get to AJ, I think he’s just a very inconsistent pitcher- not between games, but within games. It makes it very difficult for the team to deal with because a harmless hit can lead to a blow up.
Theo looks more lie a player than a GM
I predict a 8-1 Tigres game 1 win.
Clutch, Noesi has better stuff – Colon just has nothing. If they thought he had something, he would have been on the roster.
I think Hughes could manage 3 innings of emptying the tank. The conversations within the Yankees front office will be interesting tonight and tomorrow.
If they add anyone for Ayala, it’s going to be Noesi–he offers more flexibility.
4 consecutive playoff games?
hate to bring this, but last time was 04 alcs, due to rain also.
AJ has 2 quality starts in the past 3 months.. That’s 2…. a peace sign.. or a war sign.. two middle fingers?
Maybe he’ll surprise everyone and not be AJ.. maybe I’ll win the lottery tomorrow.. even though I don’t play.
They need 3 innings tomorrow at the least and then they can go Wade/So/Ro/Mo. Torre said they heard it was supposed to rain lightly tonight but nothing hard and it wouldn’t last long. So they had no idea this type of rain was coming. The Yanks really have to look at the weather tomorrow and be smart with who starts.
One good thing, this prevents the Yanks from getting rusty with off days if they sweep. Always optimistic.
I hope Yankee’s starting pitching problem will not be exposed in ALDS.
They really should address it during offseason.
Joe already said Nova tomorrow, I’d be surprised if he changed his mind. If there is another long rain delay before the 7th then you can bring in Hughes when the game resumes.
RE: 2004, 2006 Water postponements
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If not for Water, we would be going for Championship #30 instead of #28.
No ?
Not sure if you can start guys based on what you might think the rain is going to do. Start Nova tomorrow and be done with it.
I would more push for CC to go on Sunday and then come back on Thursday. But it is what it is unfortunately.
hopefully the guy pitching for the tigers will be worse.
Ruby –
you’re a d*mb c*nt
# JobaTipsHisCap September 30th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
I hope Yankee’s starting pitching problem will not be exposed in ALDS.
They really should address it during offseason.
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Not a lot of options
The tigers will be stuck with their LH line up. They can’t just start subbing players out early and lose them – especially on wet turf.
It’s could be a good situation to ask either Hughes or even a Noesi to throw 4 innings tomorrow and really just leave it out on the mound if the weather looks bad (which it likely will).
If it rains and they potentially lose Nova then the rotation really falls into uncertainty. Same happens with the tigers but they have a deeper staff.
It’ll likely be Nova. I agree. I’m just thinking off the top of my head about their options.
AJ in a short series is such a huge risk.
Andrew Marchand
If CC talks Girardi into starting him Sunday, he will start Games 1 and 2 and possibly Game 5. I doubt that has ever happened
Verlander by the way was his typical self tonight. You can get to this guy early, too bad they didn’t put up more than one against him in the Bottom of the 1st.
AJ mostly just needs to force himself not to drop his arm angle so his fastball is not leaking over the plate. I think if he does that he can be ok. Martin needs to really watch for that.
Let me guess if Maddon was managing this game tonight he would of known about the rain before the game. The brain would of started one of his relievers and then he wouldn’t lose his ace. I hate that things that guy does turn to gold and works out.
I can’t wait for Fever Pitch 2.
AJ Burnett career at Comerica Park: 2-2 *7.17ERA*, 21.1 IP, 21H, 20R, 17ER, 3HR, 8BB, 21K.
I find it hard to believe that an hour before the game they didn’t know it was supposed to rain this hard
Joe tried that a couple of years ago…….didn’t turn out so well in KC
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Selig nixes idea of any split double header
BloggingBombers Leyland said Verlander will start Game 3 on Monday. Girardi did not name a starter, saying he’d need to see how Sabathia feels this weekend.
Scathing look at the Red Sox.
Theo & Co. trying to do damage control on Tito’s comments about how fat and lazy these guys are.
Only two guys who showed up for optional batting practice were Pedroia & Salty.
Pitchers were barely doiong the minimum work. Maybe the new pitching coach is not getting through to these guys.
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....right.html
Harold Reynolds talking about how you have no idea what to expect from Nova because this is his first time here, yet you know what to expect from Fister.
I must have missed when Doug Fister pitched in the postseason.
I haven’t listened to any analysis of the series – why bother? They all think the Yankees suck………..
What is all of this complaining of rain and night games? Who are we…Alex Gonzales?
Really can’t believe MLB. Yeah let’s schedule the game right when it’s supposed to start raining when we had clear skies all day before that.
Just completely ruined an incredible matchup between arguably the two best pitchers in the AL and now this series is just so unpredictable.
These geniuses can’t look at a weather report? The best part was when they took the tarp off and started preparing the field like the rain had passed. 10 minutes later it’s a friggin downpour.
What a disaster.
Seriously, I didn’t realize there were still clubhouses where SP don’t talk to position players; what is this, high school?
LGY, I can believe MLB – the really try to ruin baseball with their ineptitude, but they can’t because it’s such a great game. Really smart to start this game…….does anyone running MLB use their brains?
or even his brother, Adrian Gonzales?
Does anyone know if it is still raining in the Bronx. It would suck if it stops now and they couldve played. Granted it’s late now as well. But I liked a battle of the pens possibility.
I blame Joe Torre.
I blame this rainout on those that caused it…the ones that hoped and prayed for the Yankees to lose and let the Devil Rays into the post season.
Playoff picks:
Detroit over Yankees in 5
Rays over Rangers in 5
Phillies over Cardinals in 5
Brewcrew over Arizona in 4
Torre just said that the forecast for tomorrow night looks worse than it did for tonight. Oh great…
Dallas Braden is working for MLB Network???
They started out so promising but they’ve almost sunk to the level of Baseball Tonight at this point.
Sox have become the Mets. That explains it the best. Sabermetrics can’t evaluate character, you really still do need scouts for that, regardless of what Moneyball tells us.
Occasionally there are guys so good that their personality doesn’t matter (i.e. Manny Ramirez and possibly the early years of ARod), but that is the exception, not the rule.
The Sox have looked great on paper for a decade, preseason favorites many of those years. The have faded in the stretch for how many years of that decade? 6/10? That tells you that they think by just showing up they will win.
This is what happens when a culture of losers (86 years worth) gets a taste of winning. You can act with class on and off the field as a winner (i.e. Jeter, Rivera) or you can act like the world owes it to you since you “broke the curse” and stood up to the big, bad Yankees (Beckett, Manny, Youkoulis, Pedro, Ortiz, Dice K, AGon (maybe)–the list goes on and on).
It just doesn’t work that way. Sabermetrics gets you to September. Character gets you to October. After that, it’s whoever has the best starters, and a flip of the coin.
If it wasn’t obvious enough, the baseball gods and ghosts came out of retirement Wednesday night to emphasize this point.
Poor Yankfem, J Al, LGY, Bronx Jeers, and anyone else of us at the game tonight. I would hate to be out in that rain. Then your seat is soaked when you get back to it. Yuk.
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trisha,
Scrolling through the game thread and saw this. You don’t have to worry about me! My seats were comfortably under an overhang
Allright GB, I was too quick on the keys (since I though the joke was so good)…
Still raining pretty hard in the bronx.
I don’t even remember what the sun looks like anymore
I have a compromise. Go to Detroit and pick up where they left off in game 1. then back to New York until we win the series.
Seems to be some heavy stuff coming out after the demise of ‘The Sux’.
** Pitchers drinking in the clubhouse on their off days.
** Inmates running the asylum.
** Crawford and Lackey to undergo diet instruction and counseling this off season.
** Lack of veteran leadership in the clubhouse.
Francona saying ‘a new voice is needed’. Obviously meaning a new voice that the players will respond to and will respect.
Scrolling through the game thread and saw this. You don’t have to worry about me! My seats were comfortably under an overhang
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I enjoyed that protection as well.
And I’m really hoping that the 2 guys in front of me can’t go tomorrow because I hate them.
Phillies lose in NLDS, I hope.
And I’m really hoping that the 2 guys in front of me can’t go tomorrow because I hate them.
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Maybe they’ll get mixed up and try to come back for the Sunday game.
Betsy October 1st, 2011 at 12:15 am
I don’t even remember what the sun looks like anymore
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Get out of the house, enjoy life, live a little.
Maybe they’ll get mixed up and try to come back for the Sunday game.
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They were certainly stupid enough.
Gnight
Carl Spackler: “I don’t think the heavy stuff is comin’ down for a while.”
Sounds like the Red Sox need someone who will come in and kick ass.
There are talking about Bobby V. or the LaRussa and Duncan combo as first mentioned possibilities.
Imagine some Bobby Valentine type getting into Lackey or Beckett’s face? It’ll be like Reggie and Billy Martin all over again.
They’ve really screwed themselves.
Interesting report / video by Gordon Edes on what has been going on up in Beantown.
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston.....management
‘Imagine some Bobby Valentine type getting into Lackey or Beckett’s face? It’ll be like Reggie and Billy Martin all over again’.
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What a kick that would be. Just imagine some discipline, shaving those crusty beards. Having somebody ride their tails.
Sounds like Francona was really laid back, way too much so, as it cost him his job. My guess would be he will land one of the Chicago jobs if he wants it.