What changed last night
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 01, 2011 
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Last night’s steady rain changed quite a few things about this division series. The Yankees spent roughly a week getting themselves prepared for one kind of series, and now they’re getting something slightly different. These are the basics of what changed last night.
The schedule
This is probably the most obvious change. It’s not longer a five-game series spread across seven days. It’s now a five-game series in six days, and beginning tonight, the Yankees are scheduled to play four days in a row. That could have an obvious impact on the bullpen, but Girardi said he does not expect that impact the playing time of Alex Rodriguez, who’s been dealing with knee and thumb issues. This is the new schedule.
Tonight: Game 1 is resumed at Yankee Stadium
Sunday: Game 2 at Yankee Stadium (this was supposed to be a workout day in Detroit)
Monday: Game 3 in Detroit (at this point, everything is as planned)
Tuesday: Game 4 in Detroit
Wednesday: Workout day
Thursday: Game 5 at Yankee Stadium
The roster
Nothing changes with the roster. The Yankees and Rays set their division series roster yesterday, and they can’t change it just because the schedule has changed. This is at least part of the reason for carrying someone like A.J. Burnett ahead of someone like Hector Noesi. The Yankees can’t change the roster just because they suddenly have to play four games in a row and need a fourth starter.
The rotation
The Tigers have set their rotation, with the biggest change coming in Game 5 when they’ll pitch Doug Fister instead of Justin Verlander. The Yankees rotation is less certain. Joe Girardi announced Freddy Garcia as Sunday’s Game 3 starter, but CC Sabathia said he’s going to fight for that game so that he could potentially start Game 5 on short rest. Girardi all but committed to A.J. Burnett as his fourth starter.
Probable starters
Game 1: Ivan Nova vs. Doug Fister
Game 2: Freddy Garcia vs. Max Scherzer (unless Sabathia gets his way)
Game 3: CC Sabathia vs. Justin Verlander (Girardi didn’t name a starter, but CC seems likely)
Game 4: A.J. Burnett vs. Rick Porcello (assuming Burnett gets the job)
Game 5: Ivan Nova vs. Doug Fister
Tickets
The only tickets valid for tonight’s resumed game are tickets for ALDS Game 1.
The only tickets valid for Sunday’s 3:07 game are tickets for ALDS Game 2.
There are no refunds or exchanges for tickets to either ALDS Game 1 or ALDS Game 2.
Associated Press photos
Here’s my guess if they play today.
Nova today
Garcia Sunday
If the Yankees win both, and I’m betting they will
AJ on Monday vs Verlander
CC if needed on Tuesday to close it out.
I also see Montero in the lineup in the day game following the night game at catcher, with a massive bomb off Scherzer, leading the Yankees to victory.
Repost
I think the rain-out hurts NY more than DET, because NY was driving up Verlander’s pitch count early and CC looked efficient and sharp. It’s unfortunate that Swisher was not patient. But then again Swisher is not reliable in the PS because he is too amped up.
IMO, The key going forward is not necessarily the rain nor the SP but the Yankees offense and the Yankees BP.
TEX and Swish have to hit Fister and not look like fools like they normally do against RHPs which can throw OS stuff effectively. And Soriano needs to be reliable as it is unlikely NY can use Soriano and Robertson every game.
When looking at the weather for NY, it looks like it will be OK till 3 PM.
They should have started this 7 1/2 inning game at 12 or 1 PM.
YT, I would be shocked if Montero caught a single game in the PS, unless tonights game lasts until 2AM. IMO, Girardi is simply not comfortable with Montero and likes the status quo of Martin even if he plays Martin into the ground.
I think even if you are up 2-0, you pitch CC in game 3 because that keeps him on normal rest for game 1 of the ALCS.
It’s abolutely clear ML baseball is run by guys with one thing on their minds- maximizing revenue, in this case post season television. MLB knows damn well NY garners the most viewers and they do not want to slot this game in during a Saturday afternoon competing not only against College football viewers but also the general lighter TV audience during days vs. nights.
The fact there is a much greater likelihood of it raining tonight vs. today is irrelevant hence no early afternoon start.
Yankee Trader,
A day game? HA!
What really stinks was that Sabathia was throwing the ball so well last night…..it was early but that was the best he’s looked since before the 6 man rotation stuff…..and they had tough AB s in the first against Verlander.
Offense and bullpens are probably going to be more of a factor now in this series because both aces roles have been diminished ……I think that favors the Yanks.
The Yanks are a better team despite what’s being reported…….they just have to prove it.
Got to run, but my parting thought again. Joe doesn’t pitch CC on Sunday no matter what CC wants. CC goes out on Sunday and doesn’t get it done you have Verlander vrs AJ or Garcia on Monday. Whats important now is Nova wins tonight, Nova doesn’t win we are going to be in a bad situation.
The one part of the roster that sees a major impact, that’s getting little play in the media, is the pen. Now it’s possible that soriano and Robertson could be used 4 days in a row. Mo too, I guess. Not idea, especially for a 40 yr old closer.
blake,, I’d say most of the last 10 years the Yankees have gone into the Post Season as the best team on paper, but for the most part, absent the first 3 games of the BOS/NY Championship series in 2004, their offense has not shown up in the post season.
Not to beat a dead drum but TEX and Swisher need to show up and Arod needs to provide a little power so Cano does not get pitched around. If NY offense shows up, there is absolutely no chance any team can beat them.
let CC pitch the 2 games.
no matter which way you shake it, pitching Nova 2 times in a 5 game series, is too much for a rookie.
CC is the better gamble. Not Nova.
edit: 2 times (including the decisive game 5)
Yankee21, I don’t think the rain out hurts the Yankees more. Yes, they did drive up Verlander’s count early, but that doesn’t mean all that much. He is a great pitcher and could settle down even after that shaky first inning. He could have grooved the rest of the way. We’ve seen that happen before from good pitching. Lester had a start where he threw 43 pitches in the first inning and still put up a decent start going through 6 innings.
The Tigers have to go with the current lineup, which was designed to go against a lefty pitcher. That won’t be overly horrendous for them, but it is still a weakness to exploit.
CC also pitched an extra inning, meaning Nova throws 6 innings and he is through the 8th. Not a stretch to think he could do that. If he gets 7 no bullpen use at all.
I think CC will go on Monday. That will help keep him in line for the next round if need be. Isn’t the next series starting Friday?
There is no guarantee that this series will go 5 games. If the Yankees can get it done in less games, it doesn’t impact the bullpen much.
The rain delay means the Tigers can only start Verlander once. The biggest concern I kept hearing about was how the Tigers had the advantage because they had Verlander going twice. That part is out the door.
Villa Nova-Ya October 1st, 2011 at 9:16 am
Yankee Trader,
A day game? HA!
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I know, I know! LOL
@Buster_ESPN: I’d be stunned if CC Sabathia doesn’t fight like crazy to pitch Sunday, in Game 2, and then come back in Game 5. (Weather permitting.)
@Buster_ESPN: Remember, Sabathia took the ball on three days’ rest repeatedly for the Brewers in ’08, even with free agency on the horizon.
ACLS starts Saturday the 8th, NLCS the next day
@Buster_ESPN: @mattkane85 Because of Hughes’s late-season back trouble, Yankees have doubts about whether he could last more than 2-3 innings.
*ALCS* not ACLS-Advanced cardiac life support!
Scedule:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/ps.jsp
pretty interesting peek into the red socks clubhouse by PAbe. wish he had named names. seems to me like tito was kinda pointing out youk and papi (without naming names) but pete really seems to point to the pitchers.
Probable starters
Game 1: Ivan Nova vs. Doug Fister
Game 2: Freddy Garcia vs. Max Scherzer
Game 3: CC Sabathia vs. Justin Verlander
Game 4: A.J. Burnett vs. Rick Porcello
Game 5: Ivan Nova vs. Doug Fister
I’ll take this. I think that is at worst roughly even, and our offense is better.
C was pitching lights out. What a shame. It’s supposed to rain again tonight. Ugh. I do not like that we have to play 5 straight days. Plus I have no idea how they even thought they could play this game. 10 minutes after they took the tarp off it started to pour again. The nice terrace seats behind the plate no longer seem so nice. I got soaked.
I would not be at all surprised to see C. take the ball on Sunday.
Oops 4 straight days.
rain showers to start up around 5pm & off and on till 10pm then heavier rain through the rest of the night
The Red Sox have trouble in that Clubhouse. While Gonzalez is a great bat and very good first baseman, his comments make me wonder if he is a good fit for them in the clubhouse. Crawford is going to have a tough time in Boston, living down what he did this year isn’t going to be easy.
Youkilis seemed to have problems with Manny that was on public display. It wouldn’t be a shock to hear he has problems with others in the clubhouse. The pitchers seem to have their issues as well. Veritek apparently wasn’t being the Captain of the clubhouse either, which might be from his lesser role.
If the RS bring in an in-your-face type manager, it might work, but it might cause a lot of friction with the same players who didn’t respond to Francona.
One of the things that Cashman looked at with CC and other players was the type of character they were. It seems that Epstein didn’t do that with Lackey and Crawford. Stats are one thing, but its rare when a clubhouse in chaos can perform.
I also wonder if there is resentment from the players who signed for a good deal less money are pissed at the big contract signings. Some of those who came up through the system signed pretty club friendly deals. Those brought in got big contracts. Crawford producing as he did this year isn’t going to sit well, and with the fans Crawford is going to have it really tough. Crawford’s last play will be looked at as badly as Buckner’s.
Is there any chance that the Yankees could use Sabathia as a LOOGY today in a key spot against Damon? I’m thinking that if Damon comes up in a key spot in the 5th or 6th inning…before SoRoMo are slated to pitch.
I’m beginning to see the folly of having these tickets.
Mother Nature seems to have developed a dislike of baseball. What else could it be??
C was going to beast last night, but I think Joe G should let him come back tomorrow. He knows his own body & routine, and what he needs to do to bounce back. He was in such a groove, too, let him go with his instincts.
I also don’t feel terrible about AJ in Comerica. Big park. Who cares if they hit the ball 360 feet into someone’s glove? I agree that we are the better team, & our lineup is ready.
I don’t think people who don’t brave it out to these games have any idea what the rain is like; the Stadium was full of puddles. Your entire boot could get submerged on the way out last night in certain pockets of the place. It’s just crazy, crazy rain. Crazy.
Damon plays for the Rays.
damon plays for the rays
Yanks won’t face Damon unless Yanks and Tampa meet in the ALCS.
And because of TV…..MLB moves tonights game to 8:30 again so that if it rains they are screwed.
Yogi Mantle October 1st, 2011 at 9:48 am
The Red Sox have trouble in that Clubhouse…
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I believe that John Henry and Theo Epstien are responsible for the Red Sox’ locker room problems and Terry Francona is just the fall guy. John Henry has wanted to get rid of Francona for a few years…the players sensed that and acted in a way to undercut Francona (pitchers drinking beer in the locker room during games, etc). Theo brought in players that just weren’t good fits with the Red Sox style.
I don’t think that Francona is going to be an easy guy to replace.
How did Verlander look from the TV vantage point? How much did it look like he was missing his spots? He seemed very hittable, not sure if he would have settled down in the second.
If we get rained out tonight do we play a day-night tomorrow? Although looks like rain will start tomorrow after 6PM…
I was kinda hoping Johnny woulda jacked one in that last game.
Another stab wound in the the Nation’s collective heart.
Is there any chance that the Yankees could use Sabathia as a LOOGY today in a key spot against Damon? I’m thinking that if Damon comes up in a key spot in the 5th or 6th inning…before SoRoMo are slated to pitch.
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Oops!!! I meant Alex Avila…he’s had a couple of very good games against the Yankees back in May.
Pruf, I just hope the “showers” predicted for tonight aren’t similar to the rain from last night. There were torrents of rain. What a matchup that was going to be. C. was so sharp except for hanging that one fastball, but he was beasting.
FYI, Montero was hitting opposite field bombs in batting practice.
Yankefem,
Verlander was missing locations and the Yanks were making him throw strikes……he also was just starting to get loose towards the end of the inning.
The Yanks get 3 more outs tonight and that can’t hurt
reading between the lines i think youk may have played his last game as a red sock. he doesnt really have a position and seems like one of the posse that tito ‘couldnt reach’
wake and tek will be gone, they probably bring papi back, and i wouldnt be shocked to see them swallow hard and move lacking for someone else’s problem child, just to break up that SP staff.
some on ebb are suggesting tony pena as a good choice to replace tito, but i think they want someone who would be more of an extension of ownership in the clubhouse.
funnny how the socks copy everything we do eventually, now its all about going after ‘character guys’ instead of the characters they’ve been going after.
I’ve no faith in AJ whatsoever because the most harmless single or walk tends to set him off. Assuming he starts a game, you almost have to have someone (Noesi) up in the pen to bring in the moment it appears that AJ might blow up. He does not get any chances to work himself out of it – and if AJ wants to throw a hissy fit and embarrass himself, that’s fine. I haven’t forgotten how selfishly he acted after the last time Joe pulled him – because HIM staying in the game was more important than winning. I’m so done with him.
yankeefeminista October 1st, 2011 at 9:56 am
How did Verlander look from the TV vantage point? How much did it look like he was missing his spots? He seemed very hittable, not sure if he would have settled down in the second.
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He was getting a lot of generous calls that CC wasn’t. Trouble is good pitchers like Verlander will make adjustments. The one possible positive is that the umpire behind home plate will be different if CC and Verlander go on Monday. Umpires can be so random about their strike zones. This is one area that MLB really needs to address. Each umpire needs to be tested on their strike zone calling, and if their rating isn’t good they should not be allowed to be behind home plate.
I think the home plate umpire dictates more about what happens in the game than any other umpire position. There are some umpires who take the bats out of the hitters hands with what they call.
Swisher blows in the post-season – he’s another one that I’ve seen enough of.
I predict both today and tomorrow’s games will be delayed/postponed .
Of course they have doubts about Hughes, which makes Joe’s comments about Hughes being able to be a long man totally non-sensical. He’s not stretched out. I wonder if they have long term concerns about his back if they will make him into a reliever next year.
Country Club, that’s a concern of mine as well….. no days off for the big 3 in the pen. Those are the only guys I trust and the only ones I suspect Joe trusts (if he trusts Soriano) as well
Saw that Bochy was on a short term deal, Valentine is another. I could see them looking at Pena as well.
If Bochy is their choice, I could see Francona going out there. He would fit in very well.
Y’s Guy, I agree that Veritek and Wake will be gone. Not sure about Youkilis. He has a sports hernia which can be repaired, and while he might be a clubhouse problem, he is a big favorite of the fans. Losing him along with Francona and of course the big collapse could have that sell out record go down the drain.
I think what happens with CC Sun. depends on what Nova does today.
If Nova wins Joe has more options.
If Nova loses it almost has to be CC on Sun.
You go down 2 zip and it’s over.
Would always want CC over Garcia in a critical spot like that.
My 2 cents.
Yankees have Mystique[Jeter's record 3000] and Aura[Rivera's save record] and today have this:
Fifty years ago today, Roger Maris broke Babe Ruth’s single-season home run record by hitting his 61st of the season. Tracy Stallard of the Red Sox gave up the historic blast, a fourth inning solo shot. Three players (Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, and Sammy Sosa) have since hit more than 61 homers in a season, but Maris’ 1961 total is still the AL record for home runs in a season.
yankeefeminista October 1st, 2011 at 9:58 am
Pruf, I just hope the “showers” predicted for tonight aren’t similar to the rain from last night. There were torrents of rain. What a matchup that was going to be. C. was so sharp except for hanging that one fastball, but he was beasting.
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I want C tomorrow. His breaking stuff was awesome last night & he’ll still be in that zone, I feel.
I just got my automated voice message from the Yankees on the sched. It’s comical how they sort of run your life. We haven’t even had breakfast, & there they are. LOL.
We made Verlander work last time he was in. It’s nice we don’t face him but once now, but I would have rather it had been in our park than in his comfy home one.
Oh, well.
I like Trader’s idea of having Montero catch tomorrow. That would give us both Jorge left-handed in the Stadium and The Jesus’ bat as well for right-center mashing.
Of course, they will never do it. If we had Matt Moore, & a tough lefty were coming to the plate, we’d watch Boone Logan getting up in the bullpen while Moore remained seated…. they just don’t do those kinds of things…
Yogi, yep strike zones are so variable from umpire to umpire and it really does completely influence a game. Thing is if they are at least consistent for both pitchers than you can sort of live with it, but if they aren’t their role is too prominent.
Blake, we were working the count nicely and Verlander wasn’t throwing first pitch strikes.
I expect AJ to deliver big time for us. I know he can be great and then so mechanically out of whack, but I expect to see good AJ in this series, and have felt like he will play a role.
Swish’s swing is always so long in the playoffs. I am hoping he finally shortens up and doesn’t try to hit the ball out on every pitch.
Nice touch having Mo throw the ceremonial first pitch to Po.
Stadium was rocking like it hasn’t in a while; whole Stadium unified loud chanting even. And C was filthy and the team were ready to rake. It was unfortunate this game didn’t get played.
MTU, the Tigers have to win 3 games; no way do I say it’s over until they do. The Yankees have come back from 2 down before – I’m not going to say they can’t do it when I know they can.
MTU October 1st, 2011 at 10:12 am
I think what happens with CC Sun. depends on what Nova does today.
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No doubt, MTU. I would really like the bring down the hammer, though, if Nova wins tonight. These best-of-five deals are tricky. Get rid of them as fast as we can.
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YogiMantle-
I saw Valentine yesterday. When asked if he would be interested in managing the Dead Sox, he said he wouldn’t be a good fit.
i love girardi and whichever way he goes is okay with me. but assuming today’s game gets done, and the weather for tomorrow looks okay, i’d go with cc tomorrow.
but if there is a chance of cc being rain delayed again, i’d go with someone else.
i have a feeling that the situation is going to change over and over the next few games
Betsy-
I guess we agree to disagree once again.
I say if we lose the 1st 2 we’re toast.
Of course, that’s not what I think will happen.
The type of rain they’re going to get tonight is the rain they thought they were going to get last night. They’ll play through it.
I thought the yanks would win in 4 but now I think they win in 3. Cc will close it out on mon.
JAP-
I hear ya but I think Girardi will play it conservative if Nova wins today.
And you’re right. These short series are very tricky.
Awful play by Cabrera last night, BTW to make his pitcher have to throw extras. He’s cleaned it up around the bag but that hesitation to go to 2B was Giambi-esque. I’m anxious to watch the first inning and a half of tonight’s game again (that sounds odd). I was worried I would run out of tape last night, LOL.
pete’s analysis of the sock’s clubhouse is just the kind of thing you expect on a blog from a guy who has access and spends alot of time in the clubhouse and talking to players.
as opposed to this blog…
MTU, so people get on me for being negative, but you don’t have any faith in your team………..ok
blake October 1st, 2011 at 9:17 am
What really stinks was that Sabathia was throwing the ball so well last night…..it was early but that was the best he’s looked since before the 6 man rotation stuff…..and they had tough AB s in the first against Verlander.
Offense and bullpens are probably going to be more of a factor now in this series because both aces roles have been diminished ……I think that favors the Yanks.
The Yanks are a better team despite what’s being reported…….they just have to prove it.
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AND Verlander had thrown 25 pitches in the first inning. The Yanks had a real shot at getting him out of the game early. C’est la vie. I think that this postponement and its fallout favors the Yanks because of their superior depth.
Pruf, I too got that voice message. lol. And yes, Yanks run my life as well. Went to bed at 3AM after we drove home in pouring rain with trucks spraying us every 1/4 mile. I set my alarm clock for 9AM, bounded out of bed and called my client who I was supposed to meet on Sunday and luckily was able to change her to early this afternoon before I again drive in. Now I will sleep in city and even if we have rain delays I will at least have a short drive afterwards for the short turnaround till Sunday. I’ll tell you one thing though, I lost my umbrella the last time it rained at NYS, and I don’t own rain boots. Don’t know if I will have time to go shopping. But I am perfectly willing to get soaked, as long as we win.
MTU, another good reason to load it up if we’re ahead is, if AJ can pin down Monday night’s game somehow going in up 2-0, we will have saved extra bullets for C in ALCS. If it goes 5, C is ready for that on short rest.
I’ll tell you one thing though, I lost my umbrella the last time it rained at NYS, and I don’t own rain boots. Don’t know if I will have time to go shopping. But I am perfectly willing to get soaked, as long as we win.
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Winning can cure a cold, I hear.
I just don’t understand the debate. CC MUST start tomorrow.
Yankee Trader October 1st, 2011 at 10:15 am
YogiMantle-
I saw Valentine yesterday. When asked if he would be interested in managing the Dead Sox, he said he wouldn’t be a good fit.
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Valentine has been fishing for a manager job. He would almost have to deny it on air, but if he is asked he will at least interview. He would take the job if it is offered to him.
Listening to C talk, sounds like he will argue his case and win as far as starting tomorrow. However, I agree, MTU, that if we win tonight there are contingencies.
i dont think valentine would take a job where the management is as involved as in boston. he’s more of a lone wolf than a team player. now if larussa goes to chicago, the cards would be more of his kind of gig.
Again Scherzer was terrible away from home 5.23 ERA , 18 of 29 homers allowed on the road, 19 of 29 homers to lefties.
If the Yankees win today with righty Nova facing Jackson, Ordonez, Young batting 1-2-3, and Raybun at 7, Inge at 9-they all bat worse against righties.
Posive vibes! Yankees going to Detroit up 2-0!
Pruf, I am going to load up on vitamin C and echinacea just to be on the safe side. I am curious to watch the video of last night’s abbreviated game also and see how it coheres with my live viewing.
I think AJ will come up big if we need him and Hughes will be useful out of the bullpen now that SoRoMo won’t be available as much.
Purenyyankee October 1st, 2011 at 10:22 am
I just don’t understand the debate. CC MUST start tomorrow.
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Well, he certainly seems to think so
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Tonight’s game will huge in setting up the rotation for the remainder of the series. If Nova struggles or gets beat tonight, then I think that it will force Girardi’s hand with CC in game 2.
Ys Guy October 1st, 2011 at 10:18 am
pete’s analysis of the sock’s clubhouse is just the kind of thing you expect on a blog from a guy who has access and spends alot of time in the clubhouse and talking to players.
as opposed to this blog…
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But why wasn’t it being reported when the collapse was going on? The reporters practically live with these clubhouses. The only time things like that come out is when there is a huge problem like the RS had. Then it becomes fair game. And Francona opened that door first. Francona leaving is what allowed the reporting to come out. If he was staying you wouldn’t be reading about most of the problems there.
Even Jackie was commenting on the clubhouse problems once Francona was rumored to be gone. Yet, not a word prior to that.
Y’s Guy, Edes has also put up a piece about the clubhouse issues which is every bit as good or better than PA’s. There was a link from the twitter feed.
*Positive* vibes.
http://m.espn.go.com/general/s.....s&wjb
The link from Edes offering.
yankfem, hot soup, hot cider, hot tea, all that good stuff to keep it flowing. Something else I do: throw cayenne pepper on everything
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We’re in for more rain, more delays, more sitting around watching the drip-drip-drip tonight… Last thing we need is Mother Nature KO’ing Nova as well, that would not be good. …
See you there! Bronx Jeers maybe should stay away. Maybe he brought the rain with him? (jk Bronx)
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GO YANKS
Different approach to tonight offensively……Fister throws a ton of strikes so need to be more aggressive. Make the
When spending a gazillion dollars on a new stadium, did no one consider a retractable dome?
Ys Guy October 1st, 2011 at 10:24 am
i dont think valentine would take a job where the management is as involved as in boston. he’s more of a lone wolf than a team player. now if larussa goes to chicago, the cards would be more of his kind of gig.
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I could see that, but according to Olney there are some in the RS FO that like Valentine. Valentine wants to manage. Showalter and Valentine used time on air to campaign for jobs. When you listen to Valentine’s commentary, he is always talking about how he would correct things if he were manager. He is lobbying for a job as manager and probably wouldn’t care where he lands as long as he lands.
They knew the weather report for today. Why make us come again for the same results when they can play a day game? Does that mean game 1 could be tmw at 3 if they start and stop again today?
It’s always unpredictable…
I’m in kind of an awkward situation because I nearly got into a little tiff with the young gentleman siting in front of me last night and now I have to go back tonight and probably see them again. Evidently these guys have never been to a baseball game before and don’t know the “unwritten rules”
Yogi Mantle October 1st, 2011 at 10:28 am
Ys Guy October 1st, 2011 at 10:18 am
pete’s analysis of the sock’s clubhouse is just the kind of thing you expect on a blog from a guy who has access and spends alot of time in the clubhouse and talking to players.
as opposed to this blog…
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But why wasn’t it being reported when the collapse was going on?
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They’re trying to create a post facto narrative to explain the collapse. I think that it’s BS. The Red Sox lost, because their pitching went south during the last month after Beckett got hurt. Now, folks may be venting their frustration in the press, but I truly doubt if there was any real rancor beyond the norm (for an extended losing period of losing) at the time.
After his meeting with the FO yesterday, Francona probably didn’t appreciate the lack of confidence from management and being asked to justify his job, so he walked.
scargo1013 October 1st, 2011 at 10:34 am
When spending a gazillion dollars on a new stadium, did no one consider a retractable dome?
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I am one fan that would never set foot in Yankee stadium if it had one of those cheesy retractable domes. They are ugly. It wouldn’t be Yankee stadium with one on it.
To build a retractable roof the design would not look anything like it does. Sorry, but weather does and should play a role in outdoor sports.
Not only that, but adding in 250-500 million to the cost of that stadium just so fans wouldn’t have to use umbrellas would have pushed up the seat costs even more. So, no weather issues and more empty seats. Great idea.
How heck do you confuse Damon and Avila with each other? They don’t even look alike.
Anyway, CC did look outstanding from the get-go, the short porch homer notwithstanding. His stuff was crisp and his delivery was in sync. But weather happens.
It seems like Joe and the team are pretty loose regardless. I think the hectic and condensed scheduling from September was good practice for whatever ambiguity they encounter in the postseason. I guess we have to thank Buck Showalter for that. Buck really had an outstanding September.
mick October 1st, 2011 at 10:34 am
They knew the weather report for today. Why make us come again for the same results when they can play a day game? Does that mean game 1 could be tmw at 3 if they start and stop again today?
It’s always unpredictable…
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The networks probably want the Yankee game in primetime. These MLB boobs always make the worst decisions. They completely screwed the fans last night without so much as an apology.
Yogi Mantle-
Thanks for the link.
Does Theo follow Francona out the door?
Will Billy Beane be offered the job again to leave Oakland and come East?
scargo1013 October 1st, 2011 at 10:34 am
When spending a gazillion dollars on a new stadium, did no one consider a retractable dome?
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Just because it wasn’t built, doesn’t mean it wasn’t considered. I’m sure they ruled it out, because New York’s weather is generally pretty mild and conducive to baseball.
blake October 1st, 2011 at 10:00 am
Yankefem,
Verlander was missing locations and the Yanks were making him throw strikes……he also was just starting to get loose towards the end of the inning.
The Yanks get 3 more outs tonight and that can’t hurt
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Except for Swisher who I think never reads the memo’s. Verlander just gives up another walk and Nicks goes up and trys to pull an outside pitch for the easy groundout.
ARod doesn’t look good on his throws as of late, not much has been made here about it, but the announcer picked up on it also.
I’m in kind of an awkward situation because I nearly got into a little tiff with the young gentleman siting in front of me last night and now I have to go back tonight and probably see them again. Evidently these guys have never been to a baseball game before and don’t know the “unwritten rules”
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What did he do?
1)Stand for every pitch.
2)Talk loudly about his mundane life.
3)Make out with his girlfriend.
4)Swear profusely with women and children present.
5)All of the above.
Because of this weather situation, I rather have the Rays’ stadium than this one.
Angle of Repose October 1st, 2011 at 10:45 am
Because of this weather situation, I rather have the Rays’ stadium than this one.
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Been there, no you wouldn’t
Ghostwriter, There may be some of that going on, but the extent of the collapse was beyond starting pitching. It was fielding and offense that also went south. The few comments coming out during the losing period were hints there was troubles in Beantown.
They were talking about it on MLB radio, about how reporters have a tough time sorting out some of the in clubhouse things to be reported on because it could have them not having any access to the players.
While things are a lot freer than the old days, there is still the don’t crap where you eat type of thing going on. Sports writers are there every day. The reporters who write a lot of the negative things that go on get the brush off. Its a tough balance they have to do.
That is why a lot of the “juicy” stories come from the reporters that do more national coverage. Or from those who cover other teams.
I think the rain out is much better for the Yanks. Simply put, Detroit is a .500 club when Verlander is not on the mound so any time he’s not out there is good for NYY.
No doubt at all that CC gets the ball tomorrow. He’ll demand it and Girardi will listen. This isn’t a 22-year-old arm we’re talking about protecting. This is a big time horse of a starter who has already proven he can pitch great on short turnarounds.
I agree with Valentine that he’s a bad fit for Boston. The probably need an old school hard*** type. Don Baylor maybe?
Bronx Jeers October 1st, 2011 at 10:36 am
I’m in kind of an awkward situation because I nearly got into a little tiff with the young gentleman siting in front of me last night and now I have to go back tonight and probably see them again. Evidently these guys have never been to a baseball game before and don’t know the “unwritten rules”
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Should I come over there and help you kick his ass?
I had a drunk kid next to me who kept wanting to show me pics he was taking of the field on his I-phone. His camera was in my field of vision to my right during all play. I tried to impress upon him the import of the game, & fortunately discouraged him enough to find someone else to torture. Nice kid, though. Just not sure he understood the calender says October.
mick October 1st, 2011 at 10:34 am
They knew the weather report for today. Why make us come again for the same results when they can play a day game? Does that mean game 1 could be tmw at 3 if they start and stop again today?
It’s always unpredictable…
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Odds are you wouldn’t have to postpone two days in a row. It will be a tough call to start if it’s raining, then their fanny is hanging out there. If they start though and it’s raining they are going to finish it, they won’t have a repeat of last night. Maybe the start gets delayed until they feel they can get it in.
Ghostwriter -
I agree with you 100%.
There were failures in the make-up of the team that have more to do with the GM than anything n that clubhouse I don’t think those problems suddenly appeared in September. I believe they could be exacerbated by losing, but I think this is the narrative that the Red Sox have decided upon.
This way, they do not have to say that their organization is flawed; simply some personality clashes and manager who lost his voice.
mick October 1st, 2011 at 10:44 am
I’m in kind of an awkward situation because I nearly got into a little tiff with the young gentleman siting in front of me last night and now I have to go back tonight and probably see them again. Evidently these guys have never been to a baseball game before and don’t know the “unwritten rules”
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What did he do?
1)Stand for every pitch.
2)Talk loudly about his mundane life.
3)Make out with his girlfriend.
4)Swear profusely with women and children present.
5)All of the above.
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Mick,
Did you go with family, girlfriend, friends?
May I suggest “accidentally” spilling a beer on his girlfriend?
It’s a rotten trick, but it would probably get him out of the park. And no, I wouldn’t actually do such a thing, but it is fun to think about…
The retractable roof should have been built in the Meadowlands, not the Bronx.
Really foolish for Giants/Jets Stadium not to have the capability of closing off severe weather such as sub-freezing temps and high winds. The Super Bowl there has a chance to be an epic disaster.
Feel bad for people who have Game Two tix and plans for Sunday. Not fair at all, but life aint fair sometimes.
Yankee Trader, given how things had gone with Francona, I could see Epstein losing his job as well. The one thing that might help keep Theo is that he is still under contract while Francona had his contract up, even though they had the option.
I personally think that Theo should be gone, as he was the bigger cause of their lack of depth. GM’s usually get some protection because they have the manager as protection for their jobs. Epstein is on thin ice though. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him as the next head to roll, especially since so many fans are saying he should have been the one to go over Francona. Henry does read the pulse of the “nation”, if there is enough complaining about Epstein he will be gone.
They’re trying to create a post facto narrative to explain the collapse. I think that it’s BS. The Red Sox lost, because their pitching went south during the last month after Beckett got hurt. Now, folks may be venting their frustration in the press, but I truly doubt if there was any real rancor beyond the norm (for an extended losing period of losing) at the time.
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Ghost, probably right. They’re shining a light into the clubhouse because that’s what reporters do, & everyone on that scene is now looking to reflect blame, so all the stuff that good pitching makes irrelevant is coming to the fore.
86w183 October 1st, 2011 at 10:48 am
I think the rain out is much better for the Yanks. Simply put, Detroit is a .500 club when Verlander is not on the mound so any time he’s not out there is good for NYY.
No doubt at all that CC gets the ball tomorrow. He’ll demand it and Girardi will listen. This isn’t a 22-year-old arm we’re talking about protecting. This is a big time horse of a starter who has already proven he can pitch great on short turnarounds.
I agree with Valentine that he’s a bad fit for Boston. The probably need an old school hard*** type. Don Baylor maybe?
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I’m sure CC will try his best to get get out there, but Joe is pretty conservative. He would be sticking his neck out a mile if he did. CC was matching Verlander, I don’t think Joe gives up that matchup.
I don’t live in NY…..and don’t get to the stadium very often so my question is how much would a retractable roof have taken away from the traditional look etc?
I mean its already not the original anyway……and would the fans be willing to trade whatever that is for essentially knowing that when they buy a ticket that the game will be played?
What I find mystifying about the Sox’s collapse is Lester’s inability to come up with decent starts during it. Lester is a great pitcher, so what happened to him? Was he hurt? Fatigued?
We play tonight we win tonight. Dassit!
I don’t care who pitches when, as long as the Yankees win in the end.
Blake October 1st, 2011 at 9:55 am
And because of TV…..MLB moves tonights game to 8:30 again so that if it rains they are screwed.
Amen to that one. You fight and scrape your way through 162 games in the regular season just to have some TV executive decide your fate in a five-game play-off series. Something has gone seriously wrong somewhere down the line. Talk about the tail wagging the dog.
Blake, the whole selling point for Steinbrenner with the new stadium is that it would be as much like the old stadium as possible. Putting a roof on it would have lost the frieze, it would have also changed the whole look from outside, as it would have needed additional supports. It would have cost some additional seats as well.
This year the weather played a big role in games. That doesn’t happen every year. In a typical year the weather might play a role in 5 games. Tough to justify spending a quarter to a half a billion on something for so few games.
deflect blame, lol
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As fun as it is, I’m tired of the Red Sox now. Theo actually referred to them as “the best organization in baseball.” I guess those complexes don’t go away over night…
GO YANKS
Gary — Betcha a beer CC starts tomorrow!
blake October 1st, 2011 at 10:56 am
I don’t live in NY…..and don’t get to the stadium very often so my question is how much would a retractable roof have taken away from the traditional look etc?
I mean its already not the original anyway……and would the fans be willing to trade whatever that is for essentially knowing that when they buy a ticket that the game will be played?
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blake, it would ruin the look and I am against. But… the last two years the rain has been such an impediment to getting games in. As a fan who attends it becomes more and more difficult to deal with the elements and I am sure the players who have to play in it feel the same. We now play in driving downpours, the roads are dangerous, you never know if a game is going to be played or not. It is a pain in the butt. Not sure what the solution is though. Tonight may be more of the same.
Bruce,
Yea I think mlb needs to address it.
Yogi,
That’s fair enough….
blake October 1st, 2011 at 10:56 am
I don’t live in NY…..and don’t get to the stadium very often so my question is how much would a retractable roof have taken away from the traditional look etc?
I mean its already not the original anyway……and would the fans be willing to trade whatever that is for essentially knowing that when they buy a ticket that the game will be played?
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I was in MinuteMaid Park for the first time a couple of weeks ago. I must say that I hated it. Being at MinuteMaid felt more like being in a hotel than at the ballpark. They obviously put a lot of money and resources into the park, but it just fell flat as far as I’m concerned. If MinuteMaid is par for the course for retractable domes, then I’ll pass…
yankeefeminista October 1st, 2011 at 11:12 am
blake October 1st, 2011 at 10:56 am
I don’t live in NY…..and don’t get to the stadium very often so my question is how much would a retractable roof have taken away from the traditional look etc?
I mean its already not the original anyway……and would the fans be willing to trade whatever that is for essentially knowing that when they buy a ticket that the game will be played?
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blake, it would ruin the look and I am against. But… the last two years the rain has been such an impediment to getting games in. As a fan who attends it becomes more and more difficult to deal with the elements and I am sure the players who have to play in it feel the same. We now play in driving downpours, the roads are dangerous, you never know if a game is going to be played or not. It is a pain in the butt. Not sure what the solution is though. Tonight may be more of the same.
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These things tend to happen in cycles, the rain probably will return to normal levels in coming years. Still, I wouldn’t be surprised if the architects that designed the new YS didn’t leave some kind of back door capability to retrofit the park with a dome if desired at a later time.
What did he do?
1)Stand for every pitch.
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I explained to him that if he stood then I would have to stand and then the person behind me would have to stand and so on…
His answer? “So?” These two were literally the only 2 standing in the RF field level seats. I don’t have a problem standing when the situation calls for it but every pitch of every inning? People spent 100$ and up for their seats. My buddy next to me is about to have knee surgery. Some folks are older and can’t stand for 3+ hours.
Anyway if you there and you see a squabble in 107 you can say ” Hey, I think I know that guy!”
I don’t think its just aesthetic… baseball should be played outdoors. I haven’t seen a retractable roof thats legitimately retractable, either. When I think of ‘retractable’ I think of something you literally can’t see until its being opened. In a lot of stadiums (if any) its nothing like that. If they could work on the technology of it and find a way to hide it away until you really need it, I’d be open to the idea.. but until they make it more streamlined it would be an eyesore at a place like Yankee Stadium.
yankeefeminista -
I think what you stated is part of the problem. They ARE playing through a lot of bad weather these days, weather that in the past they at least would have held up games, but more likely would have gotten rained out.
I guess you can blame better drainage systems in the new fields.
But also, there is a reluctance to play doubleheaders. They obviously do if they have to, but they fight the probability tooth and nail. Is that on the Player’s Union or MLB? I don’t know.
A tent over the stadium can be fashioned easily.
A very big sheet of nylon and polyester + 4 big stakes = $100,000
Cheap.
This option should be considered.
The weather just south of the city is actually quite nice this morning but supposed to get worse later. However it doesn’t look like the heavy downpours are expected. Just that light, steady rain that makes it oh so pleasant sitting in the stadium. LOL. Tomorrow afternoon looks OK but too bad they cannot start at 1 and not 3 as it’s supposed to get worse in the early evening.
Getting cold here in North Carolina.
It’s starting to feel like October.
JM, I would love for them to start at 3PM tomorrow; however, I won’t hold my breath. I hope I am wrong, but looks like tonight is going to be another brutal night. They say *showers* but last night’s showers were in actuality downpours. I will think good thoughts though.
Yes, it is going to be cold and windy tonight. I think low of 49 and winds around 12mph. Nasty October baseball to hopefully go along with a nasty slider from SuperNova.
Angle of Repose October 1st, 2011 at 11:22 am
A tent over the stadium can be fashioned easily.
A very big sheet of nylon and polyester + 4 big stakes = $100,000
Cheap.
This option should be considered
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And a few dozen huge poles all over the field of play. I take it you’ve never set up a huge tent.
The wind will blow that sheet of nylon and polyester into the Harlem River.
I read last night that the Yankees and Tigers *would* be allowed to change the roster in light of the delay per the same rule change that required resuming Game One in the middle of the second inning. Is that not true? Looking for a citation now.
I don’t often post comments here, but I assume that the reason my second comment got caught up in the filter is because it contained links, so while waiting for it to be approved, here is the link-less version of the evidence for the Yanks and Tigers being allowed to change the rosters after last night:
From River Avenue Blues:
“Ken Davidoff says the teams will be allowed to revise their rosters, so the Yankees could choose to add Bartolo Colon if they want.”
From Ken Davidoff:
“If this game gets banged, teams can retool rosters for the new Game 1. Rule passed after 2006 NLCS Game 1 was rained out. #Tigers-#Yankees”