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Postgame notes: “We always thought Game 3 was the biggest”

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Literally and figuratively, the storm clouds were gathering at Yankee Stadium this afternoon.

The Tigers had a four-run lead before the Yankees had a hit, then the rain started falling, Alex Avila slipped in foul territory, the tying run reached base and Robinson Cano came to the plate. This one had the potential for a wild walk-off that would give the Yankees a flood of momentum heading into Detroit. Instead, Cano hit a ground ball to second, and the Tigers claimed home field advantage heading into tomorrow’s delayed showdown between CC Sabathia and Justin Verlander.

“Tomorrow is big,” Alex Rodriguez said. “Going back to when I first got here, we always thought that Game 3 was the biggest. It’s almost like hitting; the 0-0 pitch is the most important, then the 1-1 pitch becomes the most important. Same goes for a series. There’s no need to get caught up in emotions. Whoever plays better, whoever executes fundamentals, is going to win the series. “

The Yankees seemed to have a favorable matchup against Max Scherzer, but aside from walks and a hit batter, Scherzer didn’t allow many scoring opportunities. The Yankees didn’t have a hit until the sixth, and they didn’t score until Curtis Granderson’s home run in the eighth.

Good things started happening for the Yankees in the ninth — Nick Swisher’s home run, Jorge Posada’s first postseason triple, Avila slipping and missing a potential game-ending popup — but this was never a game that felt good for the Yankees. They weren’t hitting, and the Tigers were perpetually doing just enough.

“You think that something is going to happen good for us (in the ninth),” Derek Jeter said. “But with Valverde, it’s hard enough to score a run off him, let alone four. But I thought we had some good at-bats. We battled there at the end, but we just fell short. For a moment there, you think we might catch a break.”

The Yankees did not catch a break. They didn’t create a break for themselves in the first eight innings, and they couldn’t do quite enough in that wet and rainy ninth. Sabathia vs. Verlander was the marquee matchup when this series began, and it’s the marquee matchup now that the series is tied at a game apiece.

“It’s huge,” Mark Teixeira said. “Tomorrow’s a really big game. You don’t want to go down 2-1 with them having a chance to close it out in their home park. It’s a big game for us.”

Here’s Jeter.

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Two curious decisions by Joe Girardi tonight, each of which will surely lead to plenty of second guessing. As always, Girardi had reason behind his choices, but they didn’t workout. The question will be whether you agree with the logic.

With two on and one out in the seventh, Girardi sent left-handed Eric Chavez to pinch hit for left-handed Brett Gardner. He was hoping for a three-run home run. It’s worth noting that Gardner had lined out sharply in his previous at-bat, and that Chavez hit just two home runs tonight. It’s also worth noting that Scherzer has a tendency to give up a lot of home run.

“Gardner is fine,” Girardi said. “Just hoping (Chavez) might pop one… When you’re losing the game 4-0, you’re looking for a three-run homer is what you’re looking for, so no, it’s not a hard move.”

With the Yankees down by three runs in the ninth, Girardi elected to use Luis Ayala — essentially the last man in the bullpen — instead of going to either Dave Robertson or Rafael Soriano.

“We still have two more games in a row,” Girardi said. “And we’re down three. If we got it down to two, we were going to maek a change. Being down there runs and you know what Valverde has done all year long, we decided to go to Ayala.”

Chavez struck out in the seventh. Ayala allowed a run in the ninth.

Here’s Girardi.

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• Jim Leyland said a lot about the production of the Yankees third and fourth hitters tonight when he admitted that the Tigers seriously considered pitching around Cano in the ninth inning to load the bases for Alex Rodriguez. “I thought about it,” Leyland said. “But that other guy has been known for the dramatics, and I figured it’s wet, it’s slippery, one gets away, one run is in. Something like that would happen, a groundball, a ball slips. I just couldn’t do it. He hit a ball in the infield, you get him over there, and somebody throws it away, the game is tied. It did cross my mind.”

• Rodriguez has struggled since returning to the lineup, but Girardi said he has no plans of taking Rodriguez out of the cleanup spot. “I thought he swung the bat pretty good yesterday,” Girardi said. “Today they made some tough pitches on him. I don’t have any plans in changing my lineup. It’s only two games. I’m not going to make too much of two games.”

• Most of the damage against Freddy Garcia was done by Miguel Cabrera, but Garcia was happy with his approach and his pitches to the Tigers’ best hitter. “First inning, I think that was a good pitch down and away,” Garcia said. “He made good contact. After that, I shut it down waiting for us to start hitting. It never happened, but that’s part of the game.”

• Garcia said the sixth-inning pitch that Cabrera looped into center field for an RBI single was a split. “I was trying to make a great pitch and I did,” Garcia said. “But great hitters do that.”

• Although he allowed three hits in the sixth, Garcia said he wasn’t tired. “I’ve got like 70 pitches,” he said. “I was really good. I finished strong. Base hit here, base hit there. It’s part of the game.”

• Russell Martin is fine. The pitch that hit him got part of the bat and a little bit of the bottom of his left hand. “A little bit of acting there, but it did get me,” Martin said.

• Boone Logan’s balk didn’t matter — he struck out the next two batters — but he was embarrassed by it. Mid-delivery, Logan heard someone shout behind him and thought timeout had been called. The result was a sudden halt in his motion. “It was probably the worst balk in the history of baseball,” Logan said.

• Jeter on his costly error in the sixth: “I had no problem catching it, I just threw it low. With Austin (Jackson) running, you really don’t have much time.”

• Chavez on his approach pinch hitting for Gardner: “That’s not really my thought process to hit a home run there. I’m just trying to put the barrel on the ball and have the same approach every at-bat. I don’t think I go up there trying to do one thing or the other other than put a good swing on the ball.”

• Jeter said he thought, once Posada got between first and second in the ninth inning, that there was no way Posada was stopping until he got to third. “I don’t know about that,” Posada said. “I can’t get thrown out there. My run doesn’t mean anything.”

• It was the first postseason triple of Posada’s career.

• You don’t see Jeter arguing with a home plate umpire too often, but Jeter had a lengthy conversation after striking out looking in the seventh. He said he thought the ball was outside. “I was just asking him if he knew the weather forecast for the rest of the game,” Jeter joked.

• Everyone in the Yankees clubhouse seemed to mention Scherzer’s changeup, which doesn’t seem to a pitch you hear about very often with him. “He was really good, best I’ve ever seen him,” Teixeira said. “Great fastball, his changeup was really, really good. The numbers don’t lie, he dominated us.”

•• Posada gave an honest evaluation of Pettitte’s first pitch, calling it low and away. “I think it was a ball,” Posada said, laughing.

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274 Responses to “Postgame notes: “We always thought Game 3 was the biggest””

  1. mick October 2nd, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    o bla di oh bla da life goes on…

  2. Captain Clutch October 2nd, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Being down there runs and you know what Valverde has done all year long, we decided to go to Ayala
    ————

    Has Girardi ever played or watched a baseball game before??? He sounds like a rookie manager that is clueless. Give me a break treating Valverde like he is Rivera coming out of the bullpen to dominate. Next time he should have some faith in his lineup and don’t think the game is over. Did the Rays think the game was over on the last day of the season at 7-0?

  3. mick October 2nd, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Maybe girardi had a bad day, he definitely needed a shave, and looked tired from all the rain and 3 days of baseball and the midges…sorry wrong Joe.

  4. luis October 2nd, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    randy l. October 2nd, 2011 at 9:36 pm
    “If I had been managing the game then I would have walked Cabrera and then brought Robertson in the game…….that’s where the game was decided and their fireman wasn’t used because it wasn’t the 8th inning.”

    i was thinking the same thing at the time.

    the yanks needed a strikeout and who is better than robertson.

    =========================

    Spot on both of you guys, if we prevented the Tigers fro scoring in that 6th inning the game might have been won….That’s why i think Girardi made several mistakes in that inning, first leave Garcia to face Cabrera, second not taking the bat out of his hands ( IBB ), and third not bringing your best reliever to get the strikeout after that

  5. BJK October 2nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    “We still have two more games in a row,” Girardi said. “And we’re down three. If we got it down to two, we were going to maek a change. Being down there runs and you know what Valverde has done all year long, we decided to go to Ayala.”

    ——————————-

    It’s a good thing you said pre-game you had no problem throwing your top guys 3 games in a row.

    Have you been watching the games all season, Joe? I would hope you realize this team has the potential to score 3 in one inning against anyone.

    This isn’t the marathon anymore where you can worry about your pen 2 games from now. It’s a sprint now. Win today. That means Ayala stays at bottom of depth chart where he belongs.

  6. mykyl1 October 2nd, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Arod won’t get a hit and dumb ass mgr will still hit him cleanup. Blind loyalty. He is a shell of what he was. Why in Gods name is he our cleanup hitter. Just stupid. Yankee fans are lazy entitled fools. Watch the Brewer or Philly game and you will see how a fan should help make noise nad get a place rockin. Yankee fan only gets loud after grand slam. People in 5 thousand dollar seat dont know a freaking thing about the game. They ruined the mo jo when they built this over priced bar.

    Sick of being a Yankee fan and living in Orlando. Tampa just feels better to root for. No reason to ever get sick the way I do watching and rooting for these overpaid pigs. Arod being the biggest pig of the bunch. Oh joy , if CC the fat pig, does not win our season comes down to AJ on the road. Nice real nice

  7. luis October 2nd, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    BJK October 2nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Do you think that the run that Ayala allowed had more importance than how Girardi managed the 6th inning?

    I ask you because i’m curious, because i think the game was lost in the 6th and not in the 9th with Ayala

  8. JobaTipsHisCap October 2nd, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    jets are losing, good.

  9. Captain Clutch October 2nd, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    What happened in the 6th inning is exactly what we have seen from Girardi all season. Even though the Yanks have a great bullpen Girardi is always too late in going to it. After Jackson got on base whey wasn’t someone warming up? Ordonez and Cabrera have great numbers against Garcia and someone should have been up just incase. Girardi is always the last person to realize when the wheels have come off.

  10. mykyl1 October 2nd, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Arod will whiff at least 3 times Monday. 1 million percent sure of it

  11. Othello October 2nd, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    Really worried about 206 repeating itself. The media has been supporting the Tigers and it feels like the Yanks are doomed. I really thought we would get this.

    God Arod looks done, man we are paying this guy 30mil? That could bring a lot of pitching, Hank Steinbrenner should be flogged in public for that deal.

  12. Yankees_Fan October 2nd, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Im losing my respect for Girardi so fast.

    *“Gardner is fine,” Girardi said. “Just hoping (Chavez) might pop one… When you’re losing the game 4-0, you’re looking for a three-run homer is what you’re looking for, so no, it’s not a hard move.”

    This is so short-sighted and narrow-minded that I can’t believe he said it. Its the seventh inning, still no outs and you are at home, so you get the last offensive chance. You shouldn’t make a move for a 3-run homer, but a solid hit that gets you on the board and keeps building a rally. I can’t believe Girardi, known for his small-ball in Florida, can’t find more value in getting a hit that keeps the lineup moving than a highly unlikely homer. And please, we all know there is a better chance of that from Montero. If he doesn’t use him because he is the BUC, he made a mistake not taking Romine.

    *“We still have two more games in a row,” Girardi said. “And we’re down three. If we got it down to two, we were going to make a change. Being down there runs and you know what Valverde has done all year long, we decided to go to Ayala.”

    Short-sighted again. You are managing the Yankees. They never seem to be out of it because of the quality hitters they have, and they just proved it in the ninth. He talks like he has never seen this team make a comeback. Yes, you have two more games to play the next two days, but what’s your excuse on not using Hughes in that situation? Ayala pitched yesterday and couldn’t close a 9-1 game. You praise Valverde and in the process throw your own team down the drain. Incredible.

    *Rodriguez has struggled since returning to the lineup, but Girardi said he has no plans of taking Rodriguez out of the cleanup spot. “I thought he swung the bat pretty good yesterday,” Girardi said. “Today they made some tough pitches on him. I don’t have any plans in changing my lineup. It’s only two games. I’m not going to make too much of two games.”

    A-Rod hasn’t looked goot in a while and thats considering he practically never got enough playing time in the last few games. He clearly isn’t healthy. He says he won’t make too much of two games, but you only have 5 games at most, before you have nothing left to wory. He wont change his lineup, so the big bat of Montero will hardly be seen in this playoffs.

    I can’t believe this guy today. The Yanks need to win easy in order for him not to mess with a result.

  13. BJK October 2nd, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    luis says:

    October 2, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    BJK October 2nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Do you think that the run that Ayala allowed had more importance than how Girardi managed the 6th inning?

    I ask you because i’m curious, because i think the game was lost in the 6th and not in the 9th with Ayala

    ——————————

    I would have loved to see Girardi go outside the box there in the 6th and bring Robertson in to put the fire out. In fact, that’s what I said to my girlfriend at the time knowing it would never happen.

    But when he brought Ayala in, he surrendered in a game that deserved far more urgency. I would hope I could expect more from him by now.

  14. luis October 2nd, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    BJK,

    Very good point….

  15. mykyl1 October 2nd, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Good comment about the “surrender” How stpid to bring in Ayala. Two Joes in a row who are clueless. Amazing how stupid a major leage manager can be.

  16. pat October 2nd, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    “Tampa just feels better to root for.”

    Unless your last name is Damon or Farnsworth, who switches allegiance from Yanks to Rays? :wink:

    I wanted to ask last week when the Yanks were in Tampa and forgot. ANyone know what happened to the Trop Heckler?

  17. Wang IS Taiwan October 2nd, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Yankees_Fan: Excellent post.

    Nice use of his own words to analyze his head-scratching moves. I’m just surprised that it’s taken this long for you to start losing respect for his managing. He’s notorious for these nonsensical moves — esp in the post-season.

    If the guys don’t score and score big, leave it to Girardi to screw up the team’s chances.

  18. JM October 2nd, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    This is a really nice video from RAB about the 2011 season:

    http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....011-57192/

  19. Wang IS Taiwan October 2nd, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    mykyl1 October 2nd, 2011 at 10:00 pm
    Arod will whiff at least 3 times Monday. 1 million percent sure of it

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Unfortunately, reality is not sthg our manager takes into consideration when he chooses his line-ups. Trust him to say that he thought Arod had some “good swings” after the game.

  20. Yankees_Fan October 2nd, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    Its alarming how Joe is managing like its still a regular season game, when his counterpart obviously knows the urgency of the moment and does his best to win one game. Girardi treated this like game 162. Had he managed the 6th, 7th and 9th to win, we would be leading 2-0. For someone that has won a championship as a player and manager, he seems to be pretty clueless right now.

  21. Wang IS Taiwan October 2nd, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    I’d like to see the players and managers vote on the umps that get to work the post-season.

  22. pat October 2nd, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    Write the line-up for tomorrow. Who do you want where?

  23. luis October 2nd, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    It’s been a long day…..Good night folks!!

  24. luis October 2nd, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    pat October 2nd, 2011 at 10:18 pm
    Write the line-up for tomorrow. Who do you want where?

    ==========

    Good question ;)

  25. Wang IS Taiwan October 2nd, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    I’m off as well…to work…

    GO CC.!

  26. RMS October 2nd, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    He wont change his lineup, so the big bat of Montero will hardly be seen in this playoffs.

    ———————————————————————-
    If Girardi is not going to use Montero and only has him for an emergency bu catcher, then he should have put Romine on the roster.
    Girardi should have pinch hit with Montero since he said he was looking for a hr, not Chavez.

  27. J. Alfred Prufrock October 2nd, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    Captain Clutch October 2nd, 2011 at 9:39 pm
    Being down there runs and you know what Valverde has done all year long, we decided to go to Ayala
    —–

    I nearly drove off the Harlem River Drive when I heard this.

    What the ****. Sure, Joe, I understand, we’re saving those guys for the postseason…Oh, right, it IS the post season. …Not only that, but it’s a best of five, neither Sori nor DRob pitched yesterday, nor Friday, due to postponement. You mean to say we could not have spared one of them in that spot? Do we not have C going tomorrow? Couldn’t whomever didn’t come in throw two innings if C fell short of C-like length?

    This is unbelievable, that this guy is looking at the game hanging in the balance and he makes a lateral move. To boot, he’s conceding because Valverde’s “had a good year”?? We’re not the Yankees, or anything, right? We’re not capable of scoring 3 runs in the bottom of the 9th??

    “Valverde’s had a good year, let’s just fold up our tent and go home, hope to win tomorrow.”

    This guy is the manager of the NY Yankees??

  28. LGY October 2nd, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Hey Prufrock

    How about pinch hitting with Chavez over Montero?

  29. Jerkface October 2nd, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    In other news, Cliff Lee is very Garcia-esque so far

  30. UnKnown October 2nd, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    And Schumaker pulls a Gardner in the Philly game. Except he was safe at first. So dumb to slide head first into first.

  31. daver October 2nd, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    I am so pissed at giardi’s dumb moves today and his idiot comments!

    Idiot moves – letting 6th inning get out of control…no bullpen move in time. Putting Ayala in the 9th. Pinch hitting Chavez? Really?

    Idiot comments…about saving his bullpen…only down by 3 runs! Saying Alex had some good at bats? Really? Are u kidding me? Not changing the lineup? How about sitting a rod or moving him out of clean up?

    And where is jesus?

  32. Captain Clutch October 2nd, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Romine should be on the roster instead of Dickerson if Montero can’t used behind the plate or to pinch hit. Watch Montero not get 1 at bat this series and then next year hit .300 with 25 homeruns. Then Girardi will say wow I am a moron, I wouldn’t give this kid the light of day and left this big weapon on the bench.

  33. jacksquat October 2nd, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    Sometimes it makes sense to slide into 1b, but not when Gardner did today.

  34. Benny Blanco October 2nd, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    how many hr’s does chavez have this year? Giradi acted as though chavez had 20 dingers this year…

  35. Betsy October 2nd, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    Horsepuckey – Joe just might as well have come out and said he had no faith in his team coming back. That is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard come out of a manager’s mouth.

  36. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Imagine. A stupid move to use a veteran left handed hitter in YS against a rookie right handed pitcher. Only an idiot would do that.

  37. Madrugador October 2nd, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    The only problem with Montero who you all expect to hit .300 with 25 home runs, he has never hit .300 with 25 home runs. What makes you think he could have hit any better than anyone else in the lineup? He is a raw rookie with minimal big league experience and no post season experience and you want him to face Valverde who has been as automatic as Mo? Crazy!

  38. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    rookie right handed ***batter against a veteran right handed pitcher***

  39. LGY October 2nd, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    against a rookie right handed pitcher

    ———-

    :?:

  40. UnKnown October 2nd, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Oh man the flying Hawaiin smashed his face right into that wall.

    I needed that laugh after this miserable day.

  41. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Charlie Manuel is an idiot. Nobody lets a pitcher blow a 4 run lead in one inning and then brings him back out.

  42. Nick in SF October 2nd, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    “That is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard come out of a manager’s mouth.”

    I wish the Cackler could read that. It might come as a small measure of solace.

  43. UnKnown October 2nd, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Charlie Manuel is sleeping.

  44. Madrugador October 2nd, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    Living in Philadelphia I have a front row seat for the Phillies. If Charlie had anyone he could trust in that bull pen, he would have not have had Lee start this inning with a pitch count of 100.

  45. UnKnown October 2nd, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    Holy smokes, you think Manuel that it’s time to take Lee out? Wow, I would be furious if I was a philly fan.

    Instead I love it.

  46. Nick in SF October 2nd, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    I like that ‘whatevs’ look that Cliff Lee just gave as he got booted from the game.

  47. Madrugador October 2nd, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Brad Lidge?! Guess Charlie doesn’t think his team can come back. This should turn into a blow out.

  48. Against All Odds October 2nd, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    # Madrugador October 2nd, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    The only problem with Montero who you all expect to hit .300 with 25 home runs, he has never hit .300 with 25 home runs. What makes you think he could have hit any better than anyone else in the lineup? He is a raw rookie with minimal big league experience and no post season experience and you want him to face Valverde who has been as automatic as Mo? Crazy!

    ———————————————————

    You don’t know if you don’t try. I’m not going to say Jesus definitely gets a hit in that spot but he is a power bat that the Yankees can use.

  49. Yogi Mantle October 2nd, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Cards lost a big chance there to tack on some runs. It would be nice to see Cliffy get a L for this game, but even with him giving up 5 runs, it still gives me some satisfaction.

  50. LGY October 2nd, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Lee has given up 15 runs in his last 18 postseason innings.

  51. Frozen Rope October 2nd, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    porcello is 14-9 and has pitched pretty well of late, against this loser offense and burnett – real tall order for the yankees

  52. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    You don’t know if you don’t try. I’m not going to say Jesus definitely gets a hit in that spot but he is a power bat that the Yankees can use.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    How do you know whether Chavez was the right call or not if you don’t try?

  53. J. Alfred Prufrock October 2nd, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    LGY October 2nd, 2011 at 10:26 pm
    Hey Prufrock

    How about pinch hitting with Chavez over Montero?
    ///

    Yes, I wanted Jesus in that spot, too.

    & it was a shame Ordonez wasn’t still in the game when Andruw went opposite, but I can’t blame Joe for that one, unfortunately :D .

  54. Frozen Rope October 2nd, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    LGY October 2nd, 2011 at 10:56 pm
    Lee has given up 15 runs in his last 18 postseason innings.

    ————–

    love how folks were starting to call him one of the best postseason pitchers off all time after the alcs last year based on just 2 years in the playoffs.

  55. yankeefeminista October 2nd, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    While at the game, I was definitely thinking the same. You IBB Miggy, and have DRob come in to pitch to VMart in the 6th. As for using Ayala, just stunning logic on Joe’s part. This is a best of 5; we are at home; and I am damn sure we can come back from a 4-1 deficit. Doesn’t. make. sense.

  56. Madrugador October 2nd, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2011 at 10:45 pm
    rookie right handed ***batter against a veteran right handed pitcher***

    If you think that Montero was a good choice in that situation you probably thought Maddon’s sending Dan Johnson to the plate, since he hadn’t homered since April, was a good idea too. Maddon got lucky.

  57. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Extremely happy to see Cliff Lee get scalded.

  58. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    One has nothing to do with the other

  59. Nick in SF October 2nd, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    All of our games are now listed for 8:30 EDT on mlb.com. TBA was showing a while ago.

    In case there was any suspense about that.

  60. blake October 2nd, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    A Cliff Lee fail makes me feel a little better

  61. Tabbert October 2nd, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Girardi is a moron… No doubt. However, jeter had a huge error. Tex and arod are a complete joke of 4-5 hitters and are only vaunting due to their name at this point. This never felt like a playoff game… no urgency or desperation from the yankees. This game never felt right.

  62. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Amazing. Those complaining about Chavez pinch hitting are the ones that want him at third base because Rodriguez is hurt and no good. Make up your damned minds. If Chavez is good enough to get 4-5 at bats in a game, he’s good enough to get one.

  63. Yogi Mantle October 2nd, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    It could be that while having Lee would have helped with the pitching this year, that in the longer run the Yankees are better off not having signed him to that big contract.

    He is a good pitcher, but he might have made his biggest run already. Who knows, but as he ages I don’t see him having the staying power that Halladay has.

  64. LGY October 2nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Joe was looking for a 3 run HR and he chose Chavez.

    Even if Chavez went up there and came through with a single Girardi’s logic made no sense.

    How likely is it for Chavez to pop one when he hasn’t demonstrated any pop in his bat all season?

    Even Nunez is probably more likely to hit a HR there.

  65. Dill Pickler October 2nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Wow, Girardi basically admitted he gave up on the game because of Valverde’s stats on the year. That is a shocking thing for a manager to admit to.

    I always thought it was the manager’s job to put the team in the best possible position to try and win the game. Guess I was wrong?

    Clueless Joe has got to go.

  66. Madrugador October 2nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    The lack of performance from Arod and Tex is concerning. It will definitely be tough to win this one without some production from the four and five spots.

  67. blake October 2nd, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    I think the problem is that Girardi said he pinch hit Chavez because he wanted a homer…..Montero or Jones were much more likely to hit the ball out than Chavez was…..

    Chavez had 2 homers in 160 at bats this year…..he’s not a power guy anymore…..

  68. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    I’d rather have Eduardo Nunez than Arod right now.

    Keep Posada at DH. Really proud Jorge seems determined to leave it all on the field for the fans.

  69. LGY October 2nd, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    Amazing. Those complaining about Chavez pinch hitting are the ones that want him at third base because Rodriguez is hurt and no good.

    —–

    Lohud fallacy.

    I would have been fine if Chavez was left off the roster.

    At least if Romine was here Joe might be more liberal in his use of Jesus.

  70. blake October 2nd, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Valverde is due a blown save……he’s just not good enough to go 50 in a row without it catching up to him.

  71. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    I really wish Arod would just bow out and go on the DL. He’s hitting .200 since his glorious return.

  72. P October 2nd, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Yankees_Fan October 2nd, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Im losing my respect for Girardi so fast.

    *“Gardner is fine,” Girardi said. “Just hoping (Chavez) might pop one… When you’re losing the game 4-0, you’re looking for a three-run homer is what you’re looking for, so no, it’s not a hard move.”

    This is so short-sighted and narrow-minded that I can’t believe he said it. Its the seventh inning, still no outs and you are at home, so you get the last offensive chance. You shouldn’t make a move for a 3-run homer, but a solid hit that gets you on the board and keeps building a rally. I can’t believe Girardi, known for his small-ball in Florida, can’t find more value in getting a hit that keeps the lineup moving than a highly unlikely homer. And please, we all know there is a better chance of that from Montero. If he doesn’t use him because he is the BUC, he made a mistake not taking Romine.

    *“We still have two more games in a row,” Girardi said. “And we’re down three. If we got it down to two, we were going to make a change. Being down there runs and you know what Valverde has done all year long, we decided to go to Ayala.”

    Short-sighted again. You are managing the Yankees. They never seem to be out of it because of the quality hitters they have, and they just proved it in the ninth. He talks like he has never seen this team make a comeback. Yes, you have two more games to play the next two days, but what’s your excuse on not using Hughes in that situation? Ayala pitched yesterday and couldn’t close a 9-1 game. You praise Valverde and in the process throw your own team down the drain. Incredible.

    *Rodriguez has struggled since returning to the lineup, but Girardi said he has no plans of taking Rodriguez out of the cleanup spot. “I thought he swung the bat pretty good yesterday,” Girardi said. “Today they made some tough pitches on him. I don’t have any plans in changing my lineup. It’s only two games. I’m not going to make too much of two games.”

    A-Rod hasn’t looked goot in a while and thats considering he practically never got enough playing time in the last few games. He clearly isn’t healthy. He says he won’t make too much of two games, but you only have 5 games at most, before you have nothing left to wory. He wont change his lineup, so the big bat of Montero will hardly be seen in this playoffs.

    I can’t believe this guy today. The Yanks need to win easy in order for him not to mess with a result.

    Great recap YF. I am still so frustrated with Girardi.. then again I’ve seen his flaws for years and it’s nice to see people waking up and realizing that he really is not a good manager. At least not for this team. Hopefully the Yankees brass will figure that out and drop this lame.

  73. blake October 2nd, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Alex could come out of this at any time…..he had good ABs in the first game. Sherzer was very tough on the righties today…..I don’t think any RH hitter got a hit today and only Jeter and Jones hit balls hard off him as RH hitters.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock October 2nd, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    At least if Romine was here Joe might be more liberal in his use of Jesus.
    ///

    Because we know that western civilization as we know it would come to ruin if he actually let Montero catch.

    It’s downright dangerous that the Yankee manager believes he can’t afford to ever have Jesus Montero behind the plate, even if his bat can win a game for him.

    How did the Yankees get themselves into such a position, that their own manager thinks Montero is anathema to the team??

    If one has to go, I know who my choice is.

  75. P October 2nd, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    I really wish Arod would just bow out and go on the DL. He’s hitting .200 since his glorious return.

    ————–

    What about Tex ? He’s hitting .248 all season.. but you really can’t put the last 2 games on just Arod alone.. the team is hitting around .200 in the last 2 games.. Jeter is 2 for 10.. text is 1 for 8 and everybody except Cano seems to be out to lunch with their 1 hit.

  76. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    I’m not mad at Girardi for trying to hide the truth about why he pinch hit Chavez for Gardner. it wasn’t about pop. It was about Girardi having no faith in Gardner getting a big hit vs. a tough reliever. It’s about Gardner not being able to make contact and Chavez possibly being a better contact guy against a tougher pitcher. The need for “pop” was a copout because Girardi didn’t want to slam Gardner – who sucks by the way.

  77. jacksquat October 2nd, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    While I appreciate Chavez, he had 2 HR this season in 160ab. Montero had 4 in 61, all vs rhp btw. If he was looking for a HR, Montero was the better choice.

  78. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    P,

    Tex sucks right now but Arod’s replacement is a better hitter right now than Arod and can catch up to a good fastball better. Who replaces Tex?

  79. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Girardi wasn’t looking for a HR from Chavez. He was looking for someone who can hit the ball out of the infield. That’s why he PH for Gardner. But you can’t say it like that.

  80. LGY October 2nd, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Why would Joe have faith in Chavez getting a hit vs a tough reliever?

  81. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Because Joe thought Chavez had a better chance than Gardner to hit a tough reliever.

    If your question is why he chose Chavez over Montero, the answer to that should be obvious.

  82. blake October 2nd, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    You don’t bench Arod for Nunez for the same reason you didn’t bench Swisher for Dickerson earlier in the year………you stick with your best guys and hope they come around because that’s your best chance to succeed….

  83. Nick in SF October 2nd, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    The Tigers are officially favored in tomorrow night’s game, -130 or -135, depending where you look.

    CC the underdog! I love it.

  84. J. Alfred Prufrock October 2nd, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Alex got robbed yesterday by AJax, similarly to how Jeter was robbed by him today.

  85. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Blake,

    But Arod is shot. Swisher was just overswinging.

  86. Captain Clutch October 2nd, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    I was ok with Gardner hitting there because you never know maybe he would get one past an infielder. But Martin has no business hitting in a big spot like that in the 8th inning. He hasn’t hasn’t hit since April and he swings for a grand slam in every at bat. But of course you can’t hit for Martin because Montero isn’t allowed to catch an inning

  87. Tabbert October 2nd, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    We have a team full of mid .200 hitters with power.

  88. LGY October 2nd, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Because Joe thought Chavez had a better chance than Gardner to hit a tough reliever. If your question is why he chose Chavez over Montero, the answer to that should be obvious.

    ——–

    Why is Chavez a better option than Gardner or Montero?

  89. blake October 2nd, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Rule #1 for this series was to not let Cabrera beat you…..they did a great job in game 1…….perhaps we need a refresher before tomorrows game.

  90. blake October 2nd, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Bret,

    He’s not shot…..he’s been hurt and his timing is all screwed up.

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock October 2nd, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Yes, I’m sure C is amused to learn that he has no chance against opposite number Verlander.

    If C throws the ball on Monday like he was on Friday, we’ll be looking to clinch on Tuesday.

  92. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Because Gardner sucks and Montero can’t catch.

  93. J. Alfred Prufrock October 2nd, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    You sure don’t pitch to the guy with men on. We had been good at arranging it so he came up with nobody on before today.

  94. blake October 2nd, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Martin had a good AB there late. He doesn’t hit for average but he does draw tough walks…..and will pop one every now and then.

  95. jacksquat October 2nd, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Well all the pro Girardi people keep saying we should believe what he says, so if he says he was looking for a 3 run HR, I’ll believe that and believe he made the wrong choice. It’s low on the totem pole of his bad decisions though.

  96. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Blake,

    BS Blake. He’s shot. This is Arod for the rest of his stay here. Thankfully Nunez will be here while Arod milks the DL every year averaging about 100 games per year.

  97. LGY October 2nd, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Because Gardner sucks and Montero can’t catch.

    ——-

    And what about Chavez?

    He’s a good hitter now?

  98. stuart a October 2nd, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    girardi’s rationale for not using robertson or soriano is comical.. they have 3 more games!!!maybe not…and who cares….

    maybe 1 of the astute beat guys can tell girardi this is the playoffs, and if you lose you go on vacation………………

    again texiera gets zero grief… he hit a homer off minnesota in the playoffs about 3 years ago, whiptydoo.. the guy has done jack since, his production is going south, and he is getting beat the same way over and over. Can Tex spell the work adjustment or he does not need to make any!!!!!!!!!

    shishilicious with his menaingless solo jack raised his BA to about 190 in the postseason, when are they having the parade for that clown????maybe tex and arod can join him…

    the arod injury excuse and dialogue is old and irrelevant. maybe he can retire???????do us all a favor…….

  99. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    Since Texas, Detroit and possibly St. Louis have all won the 2nd game of their series, that must make them all the favorites.

  100. jacksquat October 2nd, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    I don’t think A-Rod should be benched yet and he certainly shouldn’t be boo’d at YS.

  101. blake October 2nd, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    The Tigers offense is less dangerous at Comerica…….Cabrera would win the triple crown if he played for the Yanks…….he would play pepper with that short porch all day long.

  102. stuart a October 2nd, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    martin and offense should not be in the same sentence. the only thing martin does offensivley is be offensive. he is a notorious first ball hitter, who stinks.

    he can field, that is what Martin does well… the yanks are cano and granderson and pray……all those overpriced paper tigers………………jeter had a super game today, he left as many baserunners as tex and swisher usually do…………

  103. LGY October 2nd, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Blake

    Imagine him and Montero in the same lineup at YS. Scary.

  104. UnKnown October 2nd, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Posada has actually been just fine this series. I really hope that Triple was not his last AB at Yankee Stadium.

    Talk about a sobering thought.

    Yankees do what Detroit did and split on the road over these next two games, I feel great about our chances in a Game 5 with Nova against Fister and back at YS.

  105. J. Alfred Prufrock October 2nd, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    jacksquat October 2nd, 2011 at 11:21 pm
    Well all the pro Girardi people keep saying we should believe what he says, so if he says he was looking for a 3 run HR, I’ll believe that and believe he made the wrong choice. It’s low on the totem pole of his bad decisions though.
    ///

    Irony. Girardi doesn’t even believe the friggin’ New York Yankees’ lineup can score 3 runs or walk off in the ninth inning. Doesn’t believe they can beat Valverde.

    The belief problem is the manager’s, not ours.

  106. stuart a October 2nd, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    why should arod not be booed at home. what has he done the last 2 years??????the guy makes $25 mill., cannot stay on the field, and cannot catch up to anything over 92 mph……….

    we should cheer what? his performance in texas or seattle… arod looks like toast and to tell me about his injuries is just noise…………….

  107. UnKnown October 2nd, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    Stay Classy Philly Fans. Fastball at Craig’s head and they cheer loudly.

  108. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    Chavez has a better approach than Gardner. He’ll swing at a strike and we needed a hit there not somebody who has the bat stuck up his butt. Montero is by far a superior hitter over Chavez but you had the righty there Benoit and Montero is the backup catcher. The stupid move was leaving off Romine and taking Chavez in the first place. But Arod needs a caddy because he’s a gimp. Nunez can back up 3b and Martin in an emergency. There’s no need for Chavez unless you’re going to put Arod on the DL where he belongs.

  109. J. Alfred Prufrock October 2nd, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    Imagine him and Montero in the same lineup at YS. Scary.
    ////

    We’ll have Montero and Cano in the same lineup next season. Plenty scary, I would say.

  110. JobaTipsHisCap October 2nd, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    Lookat cards and carpenter, lee and phillies should be heavy favor into tonight.
    I hope cc can like carpenter, match pitch by pitch.

  111. LGY October 2nd, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    Yeah Chavez will swing at a strike alright.

    Problem is he’ll swing right through it.

  112. Captain Clutch October 2nd, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    Chavez was very good when he just came off the DL. But for the last month or so he hasn’t hit at all. Girardi is like Torre….always go with the veteran no matter what. Sometimes pure talent is better than veteran experience. If Girardi managed the Rays he wouldn’t last long. I would like to see Jones get some at bats over Swish or Gardner but I don’t think he can handle the outfield in Detroit.

  113. Carlos October 2nd, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    Yall should stop getting frustrated with Joe G and get frustrated with the team hitting with RISP.

  114. blake October 2nd, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    Lgy,

    Plus Cano too ;)

    Bret,

    Come on now……not even close to the truth.

  115. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    I’m not frustrated with Girardi, Carlos. My biggest frustration is 50 million dollars of dead money every year and a gaping hole in the middle of the order for the next half-decade. There’s nothing Girardi can do about that (except maybe lobby for Prince Fielder).

  116. Captain Clutch October 2nd, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Do the Cardinals really think they can win this game with only a 1 run lead? It will bite them eventually.

  117. Benny Blanco October 2nd, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Blake,

    A couple things come to mind in regards to the game today.

    With the exception of granderson, cano, and swisher, NO ONE his szerzer today? It was too little to late.

    Even though I did not see the game, it was typical of the yankees to have 9 runs last night then get damn near no-hit into the sixth inning today.

    Captain obvious is that neither alex or tex did anything. Why alex got booed and not tex is beyond me.

    I haven’t given up on Alex. He’s been through a lot this year. Cant expect him to turn it on when he hasn’t gotten into a good rhythm.

    Freddy was pitching to the best of his ability, the yankees good not back him up.

  118. jacksquat October 2nd, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    I don’t think A-Rod should be boo’d. I don’t think he was trying to get injured and he didn’t get injured doing something irresponsible. He’s one of the hardest workers on the team. And he didn’t exactly get a lot of time to get his swing back before the postseason.

  119. Nick in SF October 2nd, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    “Since Texas, Detroit and possibly St. Louis have all won the 2nd game of their series, that must make them all the favorites.”

    Series odds aren’t out yet for ours and the current game, obviously, but right now the Rangers and Rays are both at -110, so neither is the favorite to win the whole thing right now.

    I would say that road teams that win one of the first two games have helped their odds of winning the series.

    I’m still on the Yanks.

  120. LGY October 2nd, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Miggy-Cano-Montero

    Holy cow that would be sweet.

  121. Benny Blanco October 2nd, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    the yankees did not ***

  122. J. Alfred Prufrock October 2nd, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    Good night, Lohud.

    We’ll get ‘em tomorrow. We’ll beat Verlander and the manager for the win.

    :D

  123. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    Pujols and Matt Kemp are “one of the hardest workers” on their teams to. See the difference?

  124. Benny Blanco October 2nd, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Bret,

    You make a lot good points but what do you want girardi to do with our 3 & 4, not play them???

  125. LGY October 2nd, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    Cano would have turned that no problem.

  126. jacksquat October 2nd, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    Why boo him though? He’s obviously not right because of injuries and missed time. It’s not like he’s dogging it.

  127. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    Nick in SF October 2nd, 2011 at 11:32 pm
    “Since Texas, Detroit and possibly St. Louis have all won the 2nd game of their series, that must make them all the favorites.”

    Series odds aren’t out yet for ours and the current game, obviously, but right now the Rangers and Rays are both at -110, so neither is the favorite to win the whole thing right now.

    I would say that road teams that win one of the first two games have helped their odds of winning the series.

    I’m still on the Yanks.

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    I’d say that the first teams to win three in their DS will be the favorites.

  128. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    Benny,

    Girardi is stuck with half a roster’s worth of dead money between two stiffs for the next 6 years of his career as Yankees manager. That doesn’t leave him with much flexibility. He can lobby for Prince Fielder, but he won’t. Lobbying for big bats doesn’t seem like Girardi’s style. Maybe he’ll change once he wakes up and realizes the hurricane gust of wind swirling through the hole in the middle of his lineup card.

  129. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:34 pm
    Pujols and Matt Kemp are “one of the hardest workers” on their teams to. See the difference?

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    Was Kemp the Dodgers hardest worker last year…or ever?

  130. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    Kemp is a triple crown threat who doesn’t make 300 million dollars on a bad hip and a broken down steroid abused body. I can give 2 sh!ts about how hard he didn’t work last year.

  131. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    Everybody just think for a moment how hard you pray during Jeter’s, Cano’s and Granderson’s AB’s. Why? Because you know damn well t’s lights out after that. The pressure on those 3 is absurd.

  132. Against All Odds October 2nd, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    # jacksquat October 2nd, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    Why boo him though?

    ———————————–

    Because what they saw in 09 they want to see it again.

  133. yankeefeminista October 2nd, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    There was only a small percentage that booed Alex in a crowd of 50,000. You have no idea who those people are or what kind of Yankee fans they are. To say the Yankee Stadium crowd booed Alex is inaccurate. Most people do not boo Alex; only a few morons who have had too many beers or a few Alex wannabe’s. Why give their booing any value at all?

  134. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    You’re an idiot. steroids had no more to do with Rodriguez’ injuries than flying did. You ain’t paying the salary and it hasn’t stopped NY from spending.

    Unless Kemp has a huge turn-around and has a repeat year in 2012, I wouldn’t pay what he’ll ask for. Last year. he was baseball’s biggest center fielder at 250 pounds, and the record shows it. For all the crap that Cano took from the media and this place after 2008, he was never that bad. Let Kemp put together more than one MVP type season in successive years.

  135. UnKnown October 2nd, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    The good news is there is another game tomorrow right away. I would hate to have to listen to how good Verlander is for 2 days.

    CC is being completely disrespected by many going into tomorrow’s game.

  136. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Nick Swisher is a foot shorter than Kemp and easily weighs over 200 pounds. Swish is done after 2012, thank God.

    Subtract Tex and Arod and give the Yankees 50 million bucks every year. I’m sure they can find a 3b, a 1b, 2 OF’s a starter and a reliever for that dough. The Yankees went all in on Tex and Arod and you want to talk about idiocy.

  137. pat October 2nd, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    Bret

    Anyone that bitter needs to add a little sugar to their diet. :wink:

  138. Bret The Hitman October 2nd, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    Who cares what percentage of the crowd booed Arod? Who’s keeping score about what fans do? Who gives a flying fart?

  139. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    If Kemp goes to free agency, he won’t be coming to NY. Hello, Angels.

  140. hairy lucchino October 2nd, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    The fact that this team is built around Cano is not a good thing, it’s an indictment. Despite those TBS jerks claiming that he never gives away an AB, they couldnt be more wrong. Cano is among the top 3 hitters in all of baseball, but unfortunately, he lacks the desire and competitiveness of a guy like Jeter. He refuses to hustle balls out to 1st base, his route to the Victor Martinez RBI single was pathetic. Instead of running at an angle towards the outfield, he took a weak half dive inwards as the ball sailed right on by him. He can look magical in one game, and like a putz the next. I just wish he’d actually run out a grounder to 1st base instead of moseying down the line.

    Im really ecstatic that Jesus Montero sat on the bench all game and didn’t pinch hit at all. The Yankees really weren’t in need of a lightning in a bottle swing that you might get from Montero. And thanks Joe for using Ayala again, after he pissed the bed the night before. Joe really helped put away the game with the entry of Ayala.

    It’s awesome watching a team, the Cards, come back from down 4-0 in a couple of innings against Cliff Lee, an excellent pitcher. While our world class offense got no hit for 5 innings against some loser named Lax Herzer.

  141. jacksquat October 2nd, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    I think it’s a little too soon to be saying A-Rod is done. The contract was badly done for sure, but that’s not Alex’s fault. He got what he could just like everyone else. I wouldn’t write off Tex either, he just needs to fix that swing from the left side.

  142. GreenBeret7 October 2nd, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    He’s still bitter about NY not getting David Dejesus.

  143. tucker October 3rd, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Don’t agree with Girardi’s decision to put in Ayala in the 9th either. Though, he probably wants to preserve Soriano, Robertson and Mo to pitch both games 3 and 4. He’s also probably looking at Hughes as a potential early replacement for AJ Burnett, should Bad AJ show up on Tuesday.

  144. Pat M. October 3rd, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Hitting Chavez in that point of the game was the right move……Of course so many here are moaning after the fact however had he lined a double or pulled one over the right field war Giradi is a genius….What hurt the Bombers today was all the 3-2 counts they had with nothing to show for them…..The lined drive that Andruw Jones hit to right could have turned the game around had it not been snagged……..This series was and is still about punching out Verlander…….

  145. Tarheel In NYC October 3rd, 2011 at 12:00 am

    (Gasp!!) Cliff Lee lost tonight! :O

  146. JobaTipsHisCap October 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 am

    very good job, Cards!!!!
    wonderful!

  147. theREALkevin October 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 am

    Captain Clutch, good call on the Cards having no chance of winning with a one run lead. nice work.

  148. JobaTipsHisCap October 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 am

    No one gave any chance to cards tonight

  149. GreenBeret7 October 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 am

    Captain Clutch October 2nd, 2011 at 11:32 pm
    Do the Cardinals really think they can win this game with only a 1 run lead? It will bite them eventually.

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    Damned. You’re having a bad year. Wrong….AGAIN.

  150. yankeefeminista October 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 am

    GB, that explains it. I guess…

  151. yankeefeminista October 3rd, 2011 at 12:02 am

    Reverse jinx. ;)

  152. theREALkevin October 3rd, 2011 at 12:03 am

    well, even the vaunted Phillies split at home. do they have no chance also now? oh wait, i forgot they don’t have to face Verlander, the greatest pitcher to have ever lived. nevermind.

  153. Nick in SF October 3rd, 2011 at 12:04 am

    Wow, that Phillies fan in the wool cap that the TBS camera just lingered on looked about as bitter and pissed off as… many here tonight.

  154. Bret The Hitman October 3rd, 2011 at 12:04 am

    I’d take the carcass of a dead Bubba Crosby over Brett Gardner in LF, nevermind DeJesus or Shin Soo Choo (my latest mancrush). :lol: ;)

  155. Captain Clutch October 3rd, 2011 at 12:06 am

    AndrewMarchand Joe Girardi decided Game 2 was over before it was over. http://es.pn/oRInIx

  156. BJK October 3rd, 2011 at 12:06 am

    Nick in SF October 3rd, 2011 at 12:04 am
    Wow, that Phillies fan in the wool cap that the TBS camera just lingered on looked about as bitter and pissed off as… many here tonight.

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    Why, did Manuel bring in Ayala to pitch the ninth?

  157. Bret The Hitman October 3rd, 2011 at 12:06 am

    Pat M. October 3rd, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Hitting Chavez in that point of the game was the right move

    *******

    Thank you Pat. I liked the move first instinct. Everyone’s crying that Girardi PH for Gardner. That’s a no-brainer.

  158. GreenBeret7 October 3rd, 2011 at 12:06 am

    Yanks have no wins against Verlander this year. Of course, they also have no wins against him. What the Yanks do have is more important… a 3-0 record in the games he’s started.

  159. GreenBeret7 October 3rd, 2011 at 12:07 am

    have no ***losses*** against him

  160. hairy lucchino October 3rd, 2011 at 12:07 am

    pat m, Girardi actually managed to win in 2009. Whether or not he made the right moves, he wasnt afraid to make a tough decision. Like using CC on 3 days rest throughout the postseason. Now that he’s won a World Series, he’s complacent and manages out of fear. Im not defending Torre, but at least he won 4 World Series before he got complacent. In the years we won, Torre managed to win. In the latter part of his Yankee tenure, he became complacent with no urgency to win, sort of like Girardi now. Except for the fact that Girardi has only won 1.

  161. Captain Clutch October 3rd, 2011 at 12:07 am

    LOL

    “He opted for the Yankees’ postseason version of the white flag — Luis Ayala. Ayala gave up a run in the top of the ninth and made the incredible, just-missed comeback in the bottom half that much harder.”

  162. Bret The Hitman October 3rd, 2011 at 12:09 am

    And thank God Cliff Lee lost. That’s one smug, redneck SOB that I hope never experiences a glimpse of success with the Phillies. And may his failures endure through Jamie Moyer age.

  163. Triple Short of a Cycle October 3rd, 2011 at 12:09 am

    I’d take the carcass of a dead Bubba Crosby over Brett Gardner in LF, nevermind DeJesus or Shin Soo Choo (my latest mancrush).

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    You mean the same Shin Soo Choo who can’t ever seem to remain healthy even when he is in his so called prime?

  164. hairy lucchino October 3rd, 2011 at 12:09 am

    He did concede defeat by putting in Ayala. At the very least, he could have used Soriano, who hasnt pitched since Tuesday. Surely, he could use Soriano 3 days in a row. For god’s sakes, he could have used Robertson for 1 batter with the runner on 2nd.

    His decision to use Mo yesterday is now moot.

  165. GreenBeret7 October 3rd, 2011 at 12:10 am

    Maybe Girardi’s mistake was not calling time and taking Jeter out of the game just before his error.

  166. Triple Short of a Cycle October 3rd, 2011 at 12:10 am

    Does Rex Ryan still think he has the best defense in football?

  167. hairy lucchino October 3rd, 2011 at 12:12 am

    And this team really misses one of or both Johnny Damon/Matsui. Those guys are heart and soul guys. Swish has been good in his tenure with NY, but Matsui and Damon he is not.

  168. JobaTipsHisCap October 3rd, 2011 at 12:13 am

    Cabrera’s batting average is 0.34x? ok, that means he still fails in most of his AB
    :)

  169. hairy lucchino October 3rd, 2011 at 12:14 am

    Triple, you do realize that, I think, 4 TDs came via the Ravens’ defense. Rex’s defense is pathetic, but the scoreline doesnt indicate what happened in the game. What happened was Jets starting C is out, and their off. line was in shambles, leading to mistake after mistake after mistake.

  170. Bret The Hitman October 3rd, 2011 at 12:14 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle October 3rd, 2011 at 12:09 am
    I’d take the carcass of a dead Bubba Crosby over Brett Gardner in LF, nevermind DeJesus or Shin Soo Choo (my latest mancrush).

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    You mean the same Shin Soo Choo who can’t ever seem to remain healthy even when he is in his so called prime?

    ***************

    I’m talking about the Shin Soo Choo who posted an OPS+ of 151 in 2008 136 in 2009 and 147 in 2010. If you want to cherry pick a small sample in 2011, his OPS was still higher than Gardner’s. And if Choo were healthy in 2011, zero chance he’d ever be made available to upgrade LF.

  171. pat October 3rd, 2011 at 12:15 am

    Lee is 0-3 in his last 3 postseason starts. Why did we want him? :wink:

  172. Nick in SF October 3rd, 2011 at 12:16 am

    He looks very bitter. Ayala bitter? You make the call:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/9.....hotostream

  173. BBFan October 3rd, 2011 at 12:18 am

    Some reality check is needed here.

    We lost the game, becuase offense could do nothing until 9th and it was too late.
    We lost the game because our golden boy’s error in the sixth which opened the floodgates. But for that error, we would have won the game.
    It is not Ayala or Girardi who lost the game.

    We are still tied in the series.
    Verlander was great, bur remember he lost his last game to Baltimore. It is not like he never loses. In fact on Friday, he needed 25 pitches to complete one inning against Yanks. What makes you think it will be a breeze for him.
    On a given day CC can outpitch anyone in baseball. We are a very good team on the road.
    Also, AJ could surprise everyone and have one of his better games.

    Apperently Valvarde said that the series is not returning to NY. He is right, Yanks are taking the next two games. The offense is bound to explode like they did in the first game.

  174. Triple Short of a Cycle October 3rd, 2011 at 12:21 am

    And if Choo were healthy in 2011, zero chance he’d ever be made available to upgrade LF.

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    He’s not the same hitter he was last year. Look at the numbers he put up this year before he got hurt. The guy was abysmal.

    and your solution to replace Arod’s bad contract is to sign another guy (Fielder) to a long term contract so in year 4 or so you can complain about the money of his contract or how bad he is?

    So you sign Fielder and he becomes what a 25 million dollar DH? Where does Montero go? and Arod when he is going to need to DH more and more

  175. yankeefeminista October 3rd, 2011 at 12:22 am

    I didn’t realize SWB was going to play at multiple road venues because of the Mets screwing them over. This travel schedule is a joke. Not great for the Killer B’s either. Ugh.

    http://blogs.thetimes-tribune.com/yankees/?p=12073

  176. Pat M. October 3rd, 2011 at 12:23 am

    Nick in SF…..Not a very friencly mug on that guy……

  177. Triple Short of a Cycle October 3rd, 2011 at 12:24 am

    The fact is C R 9 that the Jet defense has gotten progressively worse since Rex’s first year here. Teams have adjusted to it. Nick Mangold played in game 1 when they got shredded by the Cowboys

  178. Nick in SF October 3rd, 2011 at 12:25 am

    I bet he was all smiles when the Phillies were up 4-0.

    Anyway, I’m on board with the Yanks winning the next two; I bet them to win it in four in the first place.

  179. BJK October 3rd, 2011 at 12:26 am

    Nick in SF October 3rd, 2011 at 12:16 am
    He looks very bitter. Ayala bitter? You make the call:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/9…..hotostream

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    Can you blame him? He was assured a win by the Lee-loving media. He probably is contemplating how to get his refund.

  180. JobaTipsHisCap October 3rd, 2011 at 12:27 am

    Nick in SF October 3rd, 2011 at 12:16 am
    He looks very bitter. Ayala bitter? You make the call:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/9…..hotostream

    LOL, I notice this also. Yeah, he looks totally PO
    Did you upload the video? well done

  181. BJK October 3rd, 2011 at 12:29 am

    BBFan October 3rd, 2011 at 12:18 am
    Some reality check is needed here.

    We lost the game, becuase offense could do nothing until 9th and it was too late.
    We lost the game because our golden boy’s error in the sixth which opened the floodgates. But for that error, we would have won the game.
    It is not Ayala or Girardi who lost the game.

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    This is a team sport. The offense isn’t going to show up every inning of every game. Players are going to make errors.

    The hitters need to pick the pitchers up when they make mistakes, and the pitcher needs to pick up the offense when they are underperforming. That’s how good teams win.

    And it’s the job of the manager to put his team in the best position possible to win the game. So while Ayala and Girardi may not have “lost the game”, they certainly didn’t do anything to help the team win it.

  182. stuart a October 3rd, 2011 at 12:30 am

    the phillies have cole hamels and oswalt pitching game 3 and 4 against nobodies. the yanks face verlander and have aj hillbilly pitching game 4…

    tex, arod, swisher have done zilch in the playoffs last year and starting off the same way this year.. tex and swishers BA in the playoffs for there careers are under 195… those are facts……………….

    girardi had no reason to pitch ayala today and that decision is negligent…………..ayala is there 10th or 11th pitcher, he plays in blowouts only………………….

  183. stuart a October 3rd, 2011 at 12:32 am

    the yanks BA with RISP is not a bli[p, this has been gone on for over 2 years.

    tex next big hit in the playoffs will be his second and for swisher his next big hit will be his first.. solo homers mean nothing………….

  184. Pat M. October 3rd, 2011 at 12:33 am

    stuart a…..Are you really a NY Yankee fan ????

  185. hairy lucchino October 3rd, 2011 at 12:33 am

    I cant disagree Triple.

  186. hairy lucchino October 3rd, 2011 at 12:37 am

    The fact that our season may come down to Burnett is horrifying.

  187. BBFan October 3rd, 2011 at 12:38 am

    “while Ayala and Girardi may not have “lost the game”, they certainly didn’t do anything to help the team win it.”

    It is a fair comment.
    But many folks here claiming Girardi lost the game are out of thier minds.
    If offense showed up or Jeter did not commit that error at the start of the inning, we would have still won the game.

    The bottomline is three out of four playoff series are tied at 1-1. There are still three more games to decide the series. All Yanks have to do is win 2 out of 3, irrespective of Verlander. And, do not undersell CC.

  188. JobaTipsHisCap October 3rd, 2011 at 12:40 am

    they need CC man up tomorrow, match Verlander pitch to pitch.

  189. BBFan October 3rd, 2011 at 12:41 am

    Stuart,

    Understand your frustration, but do you ever write anything positive about Yanks.
    Do you realize that they had the best record in AL in the regualr season?
    Did you ever appreciate anything they did?

  190. hairy lucchino October 3rd, 2011 at 12:41 am

    I never said Girardi lost the game. I said Girardi conceded the game. Of course our offense lost this game. When you get no hit for 5 innings by the biggest loser in the universe, Lax Terzer, you shouldnt be able to look yourself in the mirror. The Cards just came back from down 4-0 against Lee on the road with ease, while our idiots just got no hit, and allowed the Tigers offense to continue expanding upon their 2-0 lead.

  191. BBFan October 3rd, 2011 at 12:42 am

    Tomorrow, CC will outpitch Verlander.
    He was doing that on Friday, before the sky gave up.

  192. JobaTipsHisCap October 3rd, 2011 at 12:46 am

    Eli just likes to play in desert, doesn’t he?

  193. Nick in SF October 3rd, 2011 at 12:48 am

    The Yankees’ loss was bad, on that we all agree, but there were a lot of great moments in sports today.

    One of my favorite was one I happened upon while flipping over to the end of the Coyboys-Lions game. Right after the Coyboys’ final play, Troy Aikmen said something like ‘and at least they gave themselves a chance now to throw the ball into the end zone on 4th down.’

    And then Joe Buck had to tell him ‘that was 4th down’ and the Cowboys were already done. Which was met with stony silence.

  194. Bayareanyy October 3rd, 2011 at 12:50 am

    CC v Verlander will be an epic matchup tomorrow.

    As someone noted, the Yankees do play well on the road.

    I just hope the Yankees can finally pull off a last at-bat or 9th inning rally. Winning by 6 runs will not be likely in the next two games. They just need that confidence that they can do it.

    Go Yankees!

  195. stuart a October 3rd, 2011 at 12:55 am

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....;eref=sihp

    sums up Girardi’s stupid moves quite well..

    Ayala……………………………indefensible

  196. stuart a October 3rd, 2011 at 12:56 am

    girardi did conceded the game… ayala in the 9th.. why not use robertson or soriano in the 6th with the big boys up for detroit? or one of them in the 9th down by 4… he did not pitch them because he conceded the game.

    he gave up………

  197. G-C October 3rd, 2011 at 1:25 am

    Girardi’s postseason managing with the Yankees has largely been indefensibly terrible.

    I’m not a pessimist, I’m a realist.

    I root for the Yankees to win with my heart and soul. Because I believe Girardi managed this game, and quite a few postseason games in the past three years, terribly, does not make me a “bad fan.”

    Girardi’s move with Ayala mirrors what he did in Game 4 of the ALCS last year, when he brought in Sergio Mitre down 4 runs against Texas in the top of the ninth. Texas, predictably, blew the game open. And the move itself was a total concession of defeat. In a near elimination game in the ALCS. How is that acceptable?

    What frustrates me most about Girardi is that he seems to learn little from mistakes he’s made in the past, the Mitre example being case in point. I don’t expect him to be infallible, but I do expect him to be accountable for his past mistakes and apply his previous experiences to ones that subsequently arise. That’s managing 101 and Girardi in this case just doesn’t seem to “get it.”

    That being said, he’s not nearly the only one at fault here.

    Outside of a Matsui/Arod fueled aberration in 2009 its been the same old story with this offense in the playoffs since game four of the 2004 ALCS.

    I still like our chances in this series but only if the offense decides to show up and show some fight in innings 1-9.

    How misguided the people are that believe that the Yankees pitching is what will do them in should they succumb in this series. It hasn’t been that way in eight years and it won’t be that way this year. Garcia pitched an admirable ballgame today, and I suspect CC and AJ will do the same in games three and four.

    But asking them to throw up nothing but zeroes may be a little bit too much to ask. And sadly, I suspect that might be what this offense demands of them.

  198. Patrick October 3rd, 2011 at 2:00 am

    Anyone see what that dope Valverde said after the game?

    “I think the series will finish in our house,” Valverde told ESPN Deportes’ Enrique Rojas and other outlets. “They have a good team, but the series is not (coming) back to New York.”

    Well he’s right about one thing, this series will finish in Detroit. Yanks in 4

  199. BJK October 3rd, 2011 at 2:04 am

    Patrick October 3rd, 2011 at 2:00 am
    Anyone see what that dope Valverde said after the game?

    “I think the series will finish in our house,” Valverde told ESPN Deportes’ Enrique Rojas and other outlets. “They have a good team, but the series is not (coming) back to New York.”

    Well he’s right about one thing, this series will finish in Detroit. Yanks in 4

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    Hopefully this makes nice clubhouse bulletin board fodder.

  200. Pat M. October 3rd, 2011 at 2:15 am

    I’m on the Yanks in 4……I have few Benji’s that say this is true…And they will punch out Justin Verlander as that has always been the key to winning the ALDS…..

  201. deleonj October 3rd, 2011 at 3:32 am

    haha stuart a is the greatest yankee fan of all time…
    so much negativity might kill you man….
    my late two cents:

    arod getting booed is so stupid…keep putting more pressure on the guy people….not like he hadn’t had a zillion injuiries this year

    girardi pinch hitting for garner was the right choice IMO

    ayala pitching in that situation – i didnt like it….but again if girardi did that he may have had a very good reason for it

    tomorrow is a big day….but again so is game 4 and 5*

    let’s go yankees! stuart a you need the Zen master man

  202. Wang IS Taiwan October 3rd, 2011 at 5:04 am

    ayala pitching in that situation – i didnt like it….but again if girardi did that he may have had a very good reason for it

    ~~~~~~~~~

    He shared his reasoning: he didn’t think the Yanks could overcome the 3-run deficit and so we went with the worst pitcher they have.

    Must say that was a very inspiring move and reason for his team. What confidence!

  203. willwill October 3rd, 2011 at 5:12 am

    this choke of a team better start hitting tonight

  204. willwill October 3rd, 2011 at 5:12 am

    err joke, i guess both words are interchangeable

  205. Gary October 3rd, 2011 at 6:51 am

    Morning, well that was a great day for comments yesterday. New day and new challenges vrs Verlander.

  206. Villa Nova-Ya October 3rd, 2011 at 7:26 am

    Good morning, Gary.

    Yup, gotta move forward to tonight.

    It does kind of help that Lee lost a game for Philly in a somewhat twisted way. ;)

  207. Gary October 3rd, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Villa Nova-Ya October 3rd, 2011 at 7:26 am
    Good morning, Gary.

    Yup, gotta move forward to tonight.

    It does kind of help that Lee lost a game for Philly in a somewhat twisted way.

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    Yes we don’t get to take it back. Serious bad decision in the 9th, I don’t understand the logic of down by three you put in Ayala, but down by two you go with your best. Seems to me that you hold it as close and still try to win it, unless your not trying to win it.

  208. Yankee Trader October 3rd, 2011 at 7:43 am

    Good morning Gary and Villa.

    Couple thoughts-

    If Garcia had been pitching in Comerica, Cabrera wouldn’t have had a homer.
    Jeter’s throwing error hurt.
    Cano’s vision was shielded by yhe 2nd base ump which resulted in a single instead of a possible DP in the 6th I believe.
    Never want to see Ayala again!

  209. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 7:48 am

    The mighty Cliff Lee loses his 3rd postseason game in a row……the Cards play the Phillies tough and now they have a more favorable matchup for game 3 with Garcia vs Hamels…..Philly still has the edge but that’s much closer.

    Huge game tonight…….I think the Yanks can still win if they lose tonight but obviously whoever wins this one has a bigtime advantage. They need the bats to wake up…..they beat a lot of good pitchers this year and its time for the offense to step up.

    Im a Girard guy……but criticism of him last night is fair with the Ayala decision at least…..this isn’t the regular season where you’re looking to conserve the pen for the next game first and foremost…..a 3 run lead isn’t significant in a big playoff game with the Yankees offense and Girardi opted to give up too early.

  210. Villa Nova-Ya October 3rd, 2011 at 7:57 am

    Gary -

    I’ll never believe Girardi didn’t have faith in his team. And I never think that what he says in a press conference is his entire thought process.

    And we’ll never know if DRob or Soriano would have gotten it done; or if the Yankees score more than 2 in the bottom of the 9th.

    At least they didn’t lay down and die. But I really though when Avila slipped and then Grandy walked to bring up Cano that the table was set for good things to happen. C’est the vie.

  211. Yankee Trader October 3rd, 2011 at 8:01 am

    Just reviewed the top 6th again. It was the hit by Martinez that plated the 4th run that Cano was shilded by the ump. Otherwise that might have very well been a DP.

    I was really surprised that the Yankees couldn’t hit Scherzer in YS. However he went with the CU to the lefties which has been a tough pitch for the Yankee lefties all year.

    Seriously concerned that A-Rod, if he doesn’t contribute, that the offense will stall with him in #4 spot.

  212. Gary October 3rd, 2011 at 8:01 am

    blake October 3rd, 2011 at 7:48 am
    The mighty Cliff Lee loses his 3rd postseason game in a row……the Cards play the Phillies tough and now they have a more favorable matchup for game 3 with Garcia vs Hamels…..Philly still has the edge but that’s much closer.

    Huge game tonight…….I think the Yanks can still win if they lose tonight but obviously whoever wins this one has a bigtime advantage. They need the bats to wake up…..they beat a lot of good pitchers this year and its time for the offense to step up.

    Im a Girard guy……but criticism of him last night is fair with the Ayala decision at least…..this isn’t the regular season where you’re looking to conserve the pen for the next game first and foremost…..a 3 run lead isn’t significant in a big playoff game with the Yankees offense and Girardi opted to give up too early.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Yanks in a must win, down two with AJ and Nova remaining. If it could get to a game 5 I would feel pretty comfortable. I don’t if a game 4 is an elimination game for us. It’s really in CC’s lap and as you said the Yanks offense, Especially Tex and AROD. That 2 spot in the first inning was a big deal yesterday, it really set things up for the strategy in the later innings.

  213. Villa Nova-Ya October 3rd, 2011 at 8:03 am

    blake -

    I agree.

    Even though as I said I will never think he doubts his team’s ability to come back, he did leave himself open for criticism by bringing in Ayala, who has not been very efffective in his last couple fo outings.

    Even though the night before, Ayala wasn’t hit hard, he still made the inning shaky.

    One thing though. I have to laugh about people who say Leyland managed better than Girardi. In the first game, one could very well say bringing in Al from Alburquerque was a big mistake and if he brings in a lefty to face Cano, perhaps the game stays at 4-1 or whatever it was at the time (forgive my memory this early in the am), and the 9th inning comeback the Tigers were mounting could have turned into something.

    Managers make decisions. Sometimes they work, sometimes they do not. It really is up to the players to execute in the final analysis.

  214. Triple Short of a Cycle October 3rd, 2011 at 8:08 am

    the Cards play the Phillies tough and now they have a more favorable matchup for game 3 with Garcia vs Hamels

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    How is that a favorable matchup for the Cardinals?

  215. Yankee Trader October 3rd, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Villa-

    Managers make decisions. Sometimes they work, sometimes they do not. It really is up to the players to execute in the final analysis.
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    I agree. However, the manager can put the player in the best possible position to win. Putting Ayala in was an attempt only to boost his confidence, after his failures in game 162 and game 1.

  216. Betsy October 3rd, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Geez, Bret whining about Alex again? Big surprise. Since he knows how it’s all going to turn out, why even bother watching.

    Joe is not to blame for his players imitating zombies for most of the game, so for the media to say that his Ayala move cost them the game is pretty stupid, but it is also one of the stupidest moves I’ve ever seen……..and is comments about the 2 or 3 run difference make me sick; they really are indefensible and basically he shouted out to his team that he has NO faith in them. Why would a team play hard for a manger who has no faith?

  217. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Its a more favorable matchup than Game 1 or Carpenter on 3 days in Game 2 vs Cliff Lee. I said Hamels still has the advantage……but the matchup is better than the first 2 games and theydidn’t will be at home.

    Gary,

    Porcello isn’t very good either……and I don’t see AJ as a sure loss either. He can pitch well and often does for 5 or 6 innings…….he just needs to be watched very carefully.

    Trader,

    Sherzer was very tough yesterday after the first couple innings……his CU was excellent and he clearly was on……the generous strike zone helped him out as the Yanks had to be more aggressive than they normally like against a guy line him.

  218. Betsy October 3rd, 2011 at 8:17 am

    There is no excuse for booing Alex – Yankee fans continue to show themselves in a dark light. I don’t like booing, but if they’re going to do it, at least boo Tex…….I really don’t want to hear these hypocritical clowns cheering Alex every again. Sure, blame Alex for the failure of the ENTIRE team last night.

  219. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 8:19 am

    I tend to think that Scherzer would have shut down pretty much anybody yesterday with the way the strike zone was called. The strike zone was pretty consistent but it was one that would have fit in a mid 90s Braves game…….when you combine that with a guy like Scherzer’s stuff then that’s tough.

  220. Betsy October 3rd, 2011 at 8:21 am

    That SI article was just another way of saying the Yankees suck………

    I really don’t want Girardi back…………I won’t soon forget how he gave up on his team. Embarrassing.

  221. Gary October 3rd, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Betsy October 3rd, 2011 at 8:17 am
    There is no excuse for booing Alex – Yankee fans continue to show themselves in a dark light. I don’t like booing, but if they’re going to do it, at least boo Tex…….I really don’t want to hear these hypocritical clowns cheering Alex every again. Sure, blame Alex for the failure of the ENTIRE team last night

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Hi Betsy, I went on at night last night since I was away during the afternoon. Don’t do it often, but I think I saw you there. Good conversation except from this Trisha person, is she for real? what a jerk!

  222. Betsy October 3rd, 2011 at 8:23 am

    However, it’s true that this offense (and I said this in ST) is completely one dimensional and tends to get shut down completely in the post-season by good pitchers……..2009 aside. If they can’t find more than a few hitters to be productive, they will end their season in Detroit.

  223. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 8:24 am

    Betsy,

    Girardi had his best season as a Yankee manager this year…….I didn’t like the move to pitch Ayala last night but part of the problem was the decision to put him on the roster in the first place. They didnt want to pitch Hughes because he’s their only long man today……

  224. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 8:24 am

    So…..how’s it going???? :P

  225. Betsy October 3rd, 2011 at 8:24 am

    Gary, I didn’t respond to Trisha because I didn’t want to get into it, but it makes my blood boil when she treats the posters like little kids because we don’t agree with her pollyanna view of life. She might as well rail against everyone in the media and on other message boards as well because believe me – this blog is not unique in terms of how most of its posters felt about Girardi’s moves.s

  226. Gary October 3rd, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Blake

    Gary,

    Porcello isn’t very good either……and I don’t see AJ as a sure loss either. He can pitch well and often does for 5 or 6 innings…….he just needs to be watched very carefully.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I posted yesterday the same, I thought if AJ could be decent for 5-6 innings then the bullpen could hold it and if the offense comes through it’s a winable game. There is a danger in today as it probably will be a low scoring affair with a real possibility of extra innings.

  227. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Villa Nova-completely agree @ 7:57

  228. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Texas got shut down in their first game ……it happens. Sherzer was good yesterday…….after the first couple or innings he was very very good.

  229. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Joelsherman1 Column http://nyp.st/psBHQY Many #Yankees failed in Gm 2, only 1 was booed heavily. Welcome back to the bad graces of fans A-Rod. #Tigers

  230. MTU October 3rd, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Good morning.

    You can’t predict baseball. Especially short-series baseball.

    But tonight has the makings of a classic pitcher’s duel.

    Eat a lot of bacon before tonight’s game CC.

    P.S. Don’t let Miguel Cabrera beat you.

    ;)

  231. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 8:29 am

    The Tigers are going home but to me their offense is less dangerous there than at YS…..especially Cabrera. Cabrera is scary at YS

    Whoever handles the different routine better starts best likely wins today……CC has more experience pitching on short rest so we shall see.

  232. Betsy October 3rd, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Blake, Cashman is also to blame for the roster construction. How they didn’t replace Ayala with Noesi or Colon (the former, I admit, is not that good now and Colon is basically toast) is beyond me.

    Hughes as long man makes zero sense. He’s not stretched out – why on earth didn’t Joe throw him that extra inning in Tampa? How far can he go? 2 innings possibly – if he hasn’t thrown a ton of pitches – or 3 if he’s unusually efficient? That’s not a long man.

    Blake, he gave up on his team – that’s an absolutely indefensible position. Joe is ok, but he’s far from the only one who can manage the team – and I don’t trust him at all in the post-season. He makes ridiculous decisions and has no clue as to the urgency of these games.

  233. Gary October 3rd, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Betsy October 3rd, 2011 at 8:24 am
    Gary, I didn’t respond to Trisha because I didn’t want to get into it, but it makes my blood boil when she treats the posters like little kids because we don’t agree with her pollyanna view of life. She might as well rail against everyone in the media and on other message boards as well because believe me – this blog is not unique in terms of how most of its posters felt about Girardi’s moves.s

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I’d agree with your assessment, she does seem to have one or two allies around her. The overwhelming rest of the blog is against her.

    BTW one of her gang Mick thinks we are pretty boring in the morning here talking about hiking, weather and recipe’s and such. Keep up the hiking conversations gang it’s alot better than what they do at night. :-)

  234. 108 stitches October 3rd, 2011 at 8:30 am

    A win tonight over Verlander takes some steam out of Detroit and a momentum swing to the Yankees.

  235. Betsy October 3rd, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Sherman is right………..fans just don’t like Alex; at best they are tolerant of him. I hope he has a thick skin……

  236. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 8:31 am

    The Yankee pen is a lot more rested than Detroit…..Valverde threw a ton of pitches yesterday. If CC can battle Verlander to a duel then the Yanks should have an advantage late

  237. Betsy October 3rd, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Gary, I don’t care what that guy thinks as if you can’t tell, the guy won’t leave me alone. I lost my temper last night, but I’m not a saint, so while I’m sorry about bringing personal stuff here, I’m not sorry for letting loose on him

  238. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 8:34 am

    I have a good feeling about tonight’s game (and believe it or not I’m even optimistic about AJ going tomorrow night)

    I still say Yankees in 4. :)

  239. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Betsy,

    I think “giving up” is a strong statement. I just think he didn’t want to use his best arms in a game where the Yanks hadn’t shown much offensively……again I didn’t like the decision but if you throw Hughes there and there is rain or heaven forbid CC gets hurt early today then who pitches? They boxed themselves in a corner by taking Ayala in the first place……

  240. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 8:35 am

    AmberSabathia On the plane to Detroit to cheer for @CC_Sabathia from the stands. GO YANKEES!

  241. Yankee Trader October 3rd, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Blake-

    Garcia might be a tough matchup for the Phillies. Lefty which has been a problem for the Phillies, plus pitches well at home- 2.55 ERA.

    AJ vs Porcello. If the Yankees are down 2-1, even though I’m a diehard Yankee fan, I might not be able to watch the game with AJ on the mound in a must win situation.

  242. Betsy October 3rd, 2011 at 8:35 am

    HFA means nothing to me – the Yankees have consistently won on the road for over a decade. However, they do need to win tonight……..

  243. pat October 3rd, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Being okay with fans booing Tex but not booing Alex is as unfair as just booing Alex.

    I’ve never booed a player in my life but I can understand booing lack of effort not lack of results. What fans are doing with Alex is booing lack of results and boos can’t change that.

  244. Gary October 3rd, 2011 at 8:36 am

    blake October 3rd, 2011 at 8:29 am
    The Tigers are going home but to me their offense is less dangerous there than at YS…..especially Cabrera. Cabrera is scary at YS

    Whoever handles the different routine better starts best likely wins today……CC has more experience pitching on short rest so we shall see.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Blake to me it’s about forcing Verlander to give up more runs then his ERA normally does. He’s 14-2 at home so he’s pretty comfortable there. Yanks need to make him feel uncomfortable. Tex and AROD need to produce, can’t keep playing games when your #4 and 5 hitters don’t produce, we have been there and done that. I see the Yanks needing to put 5 runs on the board today.

  245. Betsy October 3rd, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Blake, why didn’t they change the roster when given the chance? BIG mistake, but ok they didn’t. Even though I guess what you say is true, Joe can’t say stuff like that. IMO, in public, he did give up on his team……….he cried uncle, he quit. 3 runs was insurmountable ? He’s not exactly media savy – say anything other than what he said.

  246. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Trader,

    Its tough…..its nit what they wanted to do but the rain has forced AJ to have to start and they need him to step up. He pitched well last year against Texas until he was left in too long.

  247. Yankee Trader October 3rd, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Rather than Ayala who would you have wanted on the ALDS roster? Noesi or Colon? Why?

  248. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Betsy,

    Im not 100% sure they coukd change the roster……I thought they said they only could if it had been postponed again Saturday……not sure on that

  249. Betsy October 3rd, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Pat, maybe so, but Tex has been a huge disappointment in the playoffs and I’m giving up Tex as opposed to Alex. I don’t like booing under any conditions……..but it’s really a personal thing with Alex. They don’t like him…….fine. Don’t cheer him next time he does well.

    Off to work – have a good day!

  250. MTU October 3rd, 2011 at 8:40 am

    YT-

    I don’t blame you one bit ( about Burnett).

    Sometimes the unexpected does happen though.

    The preferred outome is for CC to take down the Tigers tonight.

    We’ll see if it goes our way. Let’s hope so.

    I prefer my coin tosses reserved for the beginning of football games.

  251. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 8:41 am

    “Rather than Ayala who would you have wanted on the ALDS roster? Noesi or Colon? Why?”

    Either…..because both have better stuff and because both are more versatile. Noesi and Colon coukd both start or long relieve if necessary …….Ayala is a garbage time short reliever in a playoff series…….

  252. Gary October 3rd, 2011 at 8:41 am

    pat October 3rd, 2011 at 8:36 am
    Being okay with fans booing Tex but not booing Alex is as unfair as just booing Alex.

    I’ve never booed a player in my life but I can understand booing lack of effort not lack of results. What fans are doing with Alex is booing lack of results and boos can’t change that.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Not making excuses for anyone, but to many it’s more frustration rather than directly directed at the player. Even though we won #27 there was alot of frustration with the Yanks in the last decade. Most fans connect that with ARod not performing well in the PS. Just think when ARod doesn’t produce and the Yanks don’t win it gets directed at him, it’s an easy outlet. My observation is that he is hurt worst then is being told, we will find out after the season. Tex on the other hand has to produce, he has no excuses.

  253. Villa Nova-Ya October 3rd, 2011 at 8:42 am

    I think it’s going overboard to call for Girardi’s head after yesterday’s game.

    Could his moves be questioned? Absolutely. But I don’t think he’s an embarrassment.

    The team did not do well yesterday. And blake is right abut the strike zone, but the strike zone probably helped Garcia out a little, too. Does not excuse that it was a joke of a strike zone, however. Strike zone’s like that make usually patient and good-eyed hitters swing at stuff they never would.

    Anyway, today’s a new day.

  254. pat October 3rd, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Saw this last night but this place was too scary already.

    The scariest baby gift ever! They should make the Pedroia one hop like a bunny. :wink:

    http://www.kohls.com/kohlsStor.....sh+Toy.jsp

  255. Yankee Trader October 3rd, 2011 at 8:44 am

    MTU-

    I think it’s funny that you’re trying to boost my confidence about Burnett, since you are one of his biggest supporters! :)

    Good morning!

  256. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 8:45 am

    pat-that was mean. Especially on a Monday morning. I pity the baby that gets that thing as a gift. ;)

  257. Gary October 3rd, 2011 at 8:45 am

    Villa Nova-Ya October 3rd, 2011 at 8:42 am
    I think it’s going overboard to call for Girardi’s head after yesterday’s game.

    Could his moves be questioned? Absolutely. But I don’t think he’s an embarrassment.

    The team did not do well yesterday. And blake is right abut the strike zone, but the strike zone probably helped Garcia out a little, too. Does not excuse that it was a joke of a strike zone, however. Strike zone’s like that make usually patient and good-eyed hitters swing at stuff they never would.

    Anyway, today’s a new day.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I don’t know about that blue thing, I stopped paying attention to it. The ball on the graphic ends up in a different place then the pitch was either good or bad. Soem pitches on the corner are like a ball further away on the graphic.

  258. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Everyone this morning just giving Verlander this game tonight …….Sabathia the underdog……

  259. Gary October 3rd, 2011 at 8:47 am

    blake October 3rd, 2011 at 8:46 am
    Everyone this morning just giving Verlander this game tonight …….Sabathia the underdog……

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Understandable, the stats would give that prediction. We just have to prove them wrong.

  260. Yankee Trader October 3rd, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Pat-

    Thanks a lot. I can’t watch any “Chucky” movies for fear of nightmares. After seeing that I won’t be able to sleep tonight! :)

  261. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 8:49 am

    It was a big zone…..he was giving a good couple of inches off the outside corner to LH hitters and he was calling a lot of very low strikes as well. It was that way for both sides and it was consistent….. but Sherzer was on and that combined made it tough

  262. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Before they started the 6 man stuff towards the end of the year CC was just as good as Verlander was…….and he looked better early Friday. That doesn’t mean anything but I like the Yanks chances tonight

  263. Bronx Jeers October 3rd, 2011 at 8:55 am

    A few seconds of booing isn’t really worthy of it’s own article. There was a lot of stifled energy at the park yesterday. The fans smelled blood after Sat night but Miggy & Scherzer had other plans. Alex took the hit because next to his name there were nothing but three zeroes but the goose egg under the “4″ wasn’t just his fault.

    Alex could be the most booed player in the majors. I doubt it even registers anymore.

  264. MTU October 3rd, 2011 at 8:55 am

    YT-

    Once Burnett steps out onto that mound I’ll pull as hard as I can for him because I’ll be pulling for the Yankees.

    I just prefer it isn’t a backs-to-the-wall situation is all.

    Once upon a time in a playoff long ago he pitched a pivotal game and came through.

    Let’s just say it will be much better if CC wins tonight.

    ;)

  265. upstate kate October 3rd, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Putting Ayala in was a strange move, but if So/Ro/Mo had been put in and the Yankees lost anyway, there would have been plenty of complaints about that. And I can’t imagine that Girardi ever gives up on his team.

    I think the Yankees have the advantage tonight. The Big Guy has successfully pitched on short rest plenty of times. Verlander has not ever pitched on short rest. The Yankees’ BP is fully rested, can’t say that for the Tigers. Benoit went 2 innings, Valverde threw a lot of pitches.

  266. Yankee Trader October 3rd, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Get Verlander out by the 6th inning. The Yankees have shown they can hit the Tigers 3 best relievers.

    Have to go. Fully expected the Yankees to be up 2-0, with Scherzer and his poor stats away from home, but the offense wasn’t there.

    Hope we do what the cardinals did to Lee last night, just earlier in the game.

  267. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 8:59 am

    By far, the coolest thing in yesterday’s game ;)

    Yankees At 40 years and 46 days, Jorge Posada is the oldest player to ever triple in the #postseason. #YankeesFacts

  268. randy l. October 3rd, 2011 at 8:59 am

    alex rodriguez had about nine hits in september and isn’t right because of injuries and lack of playing time.

    late in a game if alex comes up with men in scoring position, girardi should pinch hit montero for him.

    arod is not arod right now. throwing him in there at the clean up position just on his reputation is right up there as far as bad playoff decisions with having sheffield play first. it’s just hoping.

  269. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 9:01 am

    New Post: Everything “zen” for A-Rod

    :arrow:

  270. MTU October 3rd, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Kate-

    I tend to agree with you. If we keep we take the early lead or keep it close we should have an advantage.

    This is all predicated on Verlander not doing well on short rest and Al Albuquerque sucking again though.

    The bats have to show up too.

    On any given day ANY pitcher can be taken down.

    Even Cliff Lee.

    ;)

  271. JM October 3rd, 2011 at 9:02 am

    If CC pitches like he was on Friday the Yanks can win tonight. That was the best stuff he’s had since the Seattle game, I thought.

  272. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 9:02 am

    This is what I would do with the lineup tonight.

    Jeter
    Swisher
    Cano
    Granderson
    Alex
    Tex
    Posada
    Martin
    Gardner

  273. Villa Nova-Ya October 3rd, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Just two points.

    Noesi hasn’t been as effective down the stretch as he’d been all year. Plus he is a long man and they decided to use Hughes in that role, plus they had AJ for that role, as well, since going into the series, they didn’t really expect to use AJ to start a game. Ayala had filled his role very well all year. Not a star or a stud, but mostly effective.

    Second point, how is Phil Hughes not stretched out enough to pitch 2 or 3 innings? But aside from that, you’re losing going into the ninth inning, down by 3 runs, and your offense has really not shown up all day long. Your top pitcher is going on short rest tomorrow. You hope he’s the horse he’s always been, but you have to be conservative. The game 4 starter is someone that has a high probability of not seeing the 6th inning. If you want Girardi to have a short leash with AJ, you need someone to put in that early. Hughes is that guy. It wouldn’t ever have been Noesi.

    Don’t love Ayala. But I really just wish the Yankees had hit Scherzer. For me, that is the game yesterday. And the rain that came at exactly the wrong time in two short-lived downpours.

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