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Everything “zen” for A-Rod

Posted by: Josh Thomson - Posted in Misc on Oct 03, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

After injuries to his right knee and left thumb hobbled him down the stretch, Alex Rodriguez has started this ALDS 0 for 8. His only trip on base was a first-inning walk issued by Max Scherzer in Game 2.

A-Rod’s woes climaxed in the eighth inning Sunday. Fans showered the third baseman with boos after he popped out to second against Joaquin Benoit.

Rodriguez acknowledged the jeers but said they were “no big deal.”

“There’s no need to even get emotional,” he said. “Again, it’s one pitch at a time. One big hit can change this whole series around. You really have to stay in the moment. Like Phil Jackson, you have to go into a little bit of a zen mode.”

Rodriguez was on deck with two on and two out in the ninth when Robinson Cano —representing the winning run — grounded out to second to end the game. If he had an opportunity, Rodriguez would’ve no doubt had his zen challenged by a steady diet of fastballs from Jose Valverde. The Tigers have attacked A-Rod repeatedly to see whether or not he can respond. Through two games, he hasn’t.

“He’s a tick late on them,” hitting coach Kevin Long said. “We’ll talk about that, about being a little more ready for fastballs. I would certainly expect more fastballs, but that’s OK. We want him to see fastballs.”

Long and Rodriguez thought Sunday’s at-bats were a step down from those on Saturday, when Rodriguez was called out for strikes on a questionable call and ripped a deep drive to center that fell a little short of a home run.

Rodriguez would not point to his surgically-repaired right knee or injured left thumb as a problem, although he hasn’t been the same since he returned Aug. 21. A-Rod is just 13 for 76 with five extra-base hits and 10 RBI in the subsequent 21 games. He missed 19 others resting the injuries.

“This time of year, nobody wants to hear ‘banged up,’” he said. “You just basically have to take it one pitch at a time and try to win.”

Long said Rodriguez has already made an impact by forcing the Tigers to pitch to Cano, who tied a club postseason record with six RBI in Game 1. But Rodriguez expects he’ll have opportunities to turn the series directly before it’s over. That could be as soon as tonight against Detroit ace Justin Verlander.

“There’s no question,” he said. “I’m assuming over the next day or two or three there’s going to be some big at-bats that I’ll be ready for. Two outs, men in scoring position. That’s something I relish.”

Long thought it was too soon for fans to boo the Yankees’ 2009 postseason hero.

“If we want to beat him up over two games, certainly people have the right to do that,” Long said. “I just don’t think it’s fair.”

 
 

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109 Responses to “Everything “zen” for A-Rod”

  1. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 9:05 am

    You really have to stay in the moment. Like Phil Jackson, you have to go into a little bit of a zen mode.?

    *****************************

    Love it. :)

  2. randy l. October 3rd, 2011 at 9:05 am

    alex rodriguez had about nine hits in september and isn’t right because of injuries and lack of playing time.

    late in a game if alex comes up with men in scoring position, girardi should pinch hit montero for him. montero is the better hitter right now.

    arod is not arod right now. throwing him in there at the clean up position just on his reputation is right up there as far as bad playoff decisions with having sheffield play first. it’s just hoping.

  3. randy l. October 3rd, 2011 at 9:07 am

    ” You really have to stay in the moment. Like Phil Jackson, you have to go into a little bit of a zen mode.”

    so alex, what is the sound of one hand whiffing?

  4. pat October 3rd, 2011 at 9:10 am

    “Just think when ARod doesn’t produce and the Yanks don’t win it gets directed at him, it’s an easy outlet.”

    Throwing a shoe through a TV and punching a hole in the wall is an easy outlet too but I’m not in favor of them either.

    Nor would most rational fans do those things because it would cost them in the long run. Booing Alex does cost in the long run too. Most are either too lazy or stupid to realize that.

    Fans like to equate dollars and performance. Here’s a dollars/performance comparison then- Maybe every boo cost them a dollar in Alex’s current contract. If fans take a what have you done for me lately attitude with a player don’t complain when players take that atitude with the team when it’s contract time.

    Maybe CC will negotiate a few extra million in his opt out for the cost of potentially getting booed in the future.

    Maybe fans are the reason players never give the Yankes hometown discounts.

    Crazy talk? Maybe. Crazier than booing your own player and thinking it will help?

  5. G-C October 3rd, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Montero NEEDS to be in this lineup.

    I don’t care how they do it.

    But they’ll lose this series because of their offense, not their pitching, just like they have for the past eight seasons since 2004.

    Its never the pitching that does the Yankees in.

    It’s craptastic performances from high paid guys that we have continually attributed to “sample size issues.”

    For guys like Swisher and Tex, time is running short for me to believe that their postseason sucktitude is the product of “sample size.”

  6. Triple Short of a Cycle October 3rd, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Someone remind me why they put Montero on the post season roster if they have no plans to use him?

  7. randy l. October 3rd, 2011 at 9:15 am

    i wouldn’t boo alex. i’d boo girardi for putting him at the center of the offense every game.

    leyland isn’t stupid. he’ll soon figure out that alex isn’t swinging well because of injury and is in there just to protect cano. he’ll have his pitchers stop throwing strikes to cano.

  8. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 9:19 am

    pat-great post

  9. upstate kate October 3rd, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Leyland did say they considered pitching around Robbie to get to A-rod, but you are not replacing him w/ Montero.

    I have no doubt that Montero will be used. In the meanwhile, Po has gotten some hits.

  10. Triple Short of a Cycle October 3rd, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Sounds like Josh (whoever that is) is a fan of Bush with the title of this thread

  11. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Triple-Josh has covered games for Chad in the past.

    I’d imagine Chad is on his way to Detroit right about now ;)

  12. Bronx Jeers October 3rd, 2011 at 9:24 am

    late in a game if alex comes up with men in scoring position, girardi should pinch hit montero for him. montero is the better hitter right now.

    ——————————————————————————————

    Montero’s a better hitter than half the lineup. And all season long we heard how the Yanks believe he can catch. But when the time came they did everything they could to keep him away from catching. I thought hey were going to sign the BP catcher at one point. But that’s another post.

    No way Girardi’s going to go down that road with Alex. People are still talking about Torre moving him down and that was 5 years ago.

    And Alex still is Arod. He still possesses that “at any given moment” quality. Or at least there’s still the impression that he’s one swing away. It’s obvious Leyland thinks that. And that’s one guy whose feel I trust.

  13. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Alex is a smart hitter……what I think we may start to see is him cheat to get to fastballs…..especially inside. He’s notorious for guessing anyway so if he’s not able to play it straight up then oi think he will start earlier and look for fastballs he can drive.

    Id go with this tonight

    Jeter
    Swisher
    cano
    Granderson
    Alex
    Tex
    Posada
    Martin
    Gardner

    Say what you want about Swisher but he led the team in OBP this year Im pretty sure and he did hit the homer last night that hopefully will get him going.

  14. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 9:29 am

    I do wish they coukd get Montero in the lineup somehow……but they didn’t let him catch in September and Posada is hitting pretty much better than anyone aside from Cano.

  15. Bronx Jeers October 3rd, 2011 at 9:33 am

    In baseball of the future, the catcher position will have a 2nd DH hitting for him. :wink:

  16. JM October 3rd, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Swish looks like he’s starting to turn things around, i.e., he’s relaxing a bit more at the plate.

    As for Alex, he is all out of sync. I hope I am wrong but I don’t expect much from him, at least not in this series. Maybe if they get to the ALCS….There is no telling how much the thumb is still bothering him, plus he just didn’t have enough at-bats down the stretch to develop any kind of a rhythm.

  17. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Bronx Jeers is LoHud’s very own Marty McFly.

    I want to hear more about baseball in the future. ;)

  18. Shame Spencer October 3rd, 2011 at 9:40 am

    I will just never get the booing debate… hit the ball, no one boos. Its a really simple game to play, actually. I get that people get caught up in players feelings but c’mon.. no one has every put any money in my pocket for being a Yankees fan. When I face the pearly gates, there will be no gold star waiting for me because I rooted for the Yankees. People boo because as seriously as the people on here take these games…. its still just a game. The fans can boo whoever they want because the fans are inherently biased. We want to see our team win. Win or get booed.

  19. Shame Spencer October 3rd, 2011 at 9:44 am

    blake – Curious to see where Swish is hitting in your line up.. any particular reason why? (I’m betting there is lol)

  20. upstate kate October 3rd, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Erin
    in the baseball of the future, pitches will be called by robots

  21. pat October 3rd, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Leyland said “I thought about it. But that other guy has been known for the dramatics …”

    Leyland may not take his chances with Cano again but the thought that Alex can still beat you with one swing no matter how bad he has looked is still in the thought process.

    We’ll never know if another hitter behind him would have gotten Cano an intentional walk but we know Alex kept the bat in the hands of the guy you want to have the bat that one time

  22. randy l. October 3rd, 2011 at 9:47 am

    the yankees can win this series , but they are going to have to throw the whole roster against the tigers.

    girardi needs to shake it up and get everyone involved.

    montero needs to be worked into things asap. pinch hitting or whatever.

    girardi won’t shake things up on his own. it’ll take an injury or something like an ejection for him to make changes.

    but the yankees can win this thing. i think they will, but now how girardi thinks they will.

  23. Triple Short of a Cycle October 3rd, 2011 at 9:48 am

    in the baseball of the future, pitches will be called by robots

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    From your lips

  24. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 9:49 am

    When I face the pearly gates, there will be no gold star waiting for me because I rooted for the Yankees

    *************************

    There won’t??? ;)

  25. upstate kate October 3rd, 2011 at 9:50 am

    well there wont be a gold star for Shame b/c she boos players :)

  26. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 9:51 am

    DKnobler Meanwhile, Tigers closer Jose Valverde says “it’s over.” Is he kidding? http://bit.ly/n8IpBQ

  27. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Shame,

    Just because Swish led the team in OBP and I want him getting on base in front of Cano…..that and if you move Granderson to clean up then he’s the most logical choice to hit there. He’s always hit well in the 2lineup hole before……Granderson seems to be the best protection for Cano right now.

  28. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 9:52 am

    kate- :)

  29. Giuseppe Franco October 3rd, 2011 at 9:55 am

    The booing has always been moronic. I’ve never understood it.

    No grown man has any legitimate excuse for booing a player, especially one playing for his own team.

  30. Shame Spencer October 3rd, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Lol, you might be right. I want to believe I’ll get a pat on the back for loving the Yankees but when I put things in perspective its really Mets fans that deserve that type of extra attention since they spend more time suffering.

    I just don’t understand people that believe, for whatever reason, that other people boo their team in order to ‘help’ them. No one is booing anyone to ‘help’ win the game. They’re booing because whats happening out there is unacceptable (losing). I wish we could express ourselves better, but its hard to get a “please guys if you could just take a pitch or two, I think our batters need to be more patient” chant going at the stadium.

  31. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Sabathia’s CU will be very important tonight……if he has it then I like his chances.

  32. Shame Spencer October 3rd, 2011 at 9:57 am

    blake – It makes sense, and I do like the line up. I’d still rather have Grandy hit in front of Cano, making Cano the #4 with Alex in the #5 hole.. but I doubt either of us will see our lineups tonight :(

  33. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 9:58 am

    GF-I’ve never gotten the booing thing either. I can just never bring myself to boo a Yankee.

  34. Bronx Jeers October 3rd, 2011 at 10:00 am

    In baseball of the future, there will always be a 27 year old Robbie Cano on the Yankees thanks to cloning. Older versions will be auctioned off to female fans for reproductive purposes. :wink:

  35. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Bronx Jeers October 3rd, 2011 at 10:00 am
    In baseball of the future, there will always be a 27 year old Robbie Cano on the Yankees thanks to cloning. Older versions will be auctioned off to female fans for reproductive purposes.

    ***************************

    Oh, I like this very very much. :D

  36. Shame Spencer October 3rd, 2011 at 10:05 am

    All I’m saying is if every time I did a good job at work 50,000 people stood up to cheer for me, I’d take the booing as the flip side of that coin.

  37. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 10:05 am

    BloggingBombers MLB announces that American Idol winner Scotty McCreery will perform the National Anthem prior to Game One of the World Series on Oct. 19.

    I’ll have to make sure and tell my grandma, who thinks Scotty is the greatest thing ever. ;)

  38. Giuseppe Franco October 3rd, 2011 at 10:07 am

    # Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 9:58 am

    GF-I’ve never gotten the booing thing either. I can just never bring myself to boo a Yankee.

    ——-

    That kind of behavior reflects a lot more on the individual booing while hiding in a crowd than it does the guy on the field who may not performing up to his standards and probably couldn’t run 180 feet to 2nd base without needing medical attention.

  39. pat October 3rd, 2011 at 10:13 am

    You lost me at “Its a really simple game to play, “.

    If that were true, I’d be playing it for a living, making millions instead of doing something I enjoy a whole lot less for thousands.

  40. Shame Spencer October 3rd, 2011 at 10:16 am

    pat – You assumed I meant baseball was the ‘simple game to play’ when in fact I was referring to the game of the fans (the booing game).

    Franco – I guess my issue with everyone that rationalizes the booing debate in that manner is that I’m also told I’m not allowed to evaluate these players based on their salary because I personally cannot hit a ball 450 feet (ie: Arod should not complain about his knee being hurt because he makes $30 million a year to hit a ball.. this is a pretty typical argument). If the same rules of the everyday working man don’t apply to baseball players because they have extraordinary talent, than I don’t think the same rules of general politeness apply either.

  41. Georgia_in_MS October 3rd, 2011 at 10:18 am

    I think this year has really shown how this is a team effort. Some have sagged when others have been great and vice versa. I do not agree with booing your team’s players. If you are there for YOUR team, you should not boo them (though its hard not to boo AJ).

    Yea for the Scotty McCreery announcement – thanks Erin!

  42. djsunyc October 3rd, 2011 at 10:19 am

    i’m a girardi supporter – but with potentially 2-3 games left in the season, he needs to manage with some urgency. we should have every pitcher available tonight other than burnett + hughes…which basically means if cc is in trouble in the 5th, he should be pulled.

  43. LGY October 3rd, 2011 at 10:19 am

    How much does Martin really bring to the table defensively against a team that has only one stolen base threat and that player hardly ever gets on base?

  44. Villa Nova-Ya October 3rd, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Shame -

    “They’re booing because whats happening out there is unacceptable (losing). I wish we could express ourselves better, but its hard to get a “please guys if you could just take a pitch or two, I think our batters need to be more patient” chant going at the stadium.”

    One of the funniest things I’ve read here!

    Though I disagree that losing or a poor result is “unacceptable.” It’s not fun, and it’s not what you want, and you’re unhappy about it. But losing and unfavorable results are part of baseball.

  45. Bronx Jeers October 3rd, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Did they show Laura Pettite singing yesterday? She’s no Beverly Sills but she held her own and didn’t screw up the lyrics.

  46. Giuseppe Franco October 3rd, 2011 at 10:24 am

    # Shame Spencer October 3rd, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Franco – I guess my issue with everyone that rationalizes the booing debate in that manner is that I’m also told I’m not allowed to evaluate these players based on their salary because I personally cannot hit a ball 450 feet (ie: Arod should not complain about his knee being hurt because he makes $30 million a year to hit a ball.. this is a pretty typical argument). If the same rules of the everyday working man don’t apply to baseball players because they have extraordinary talent, than I don’t think the same rules of general politeness apply either.

    —————-

    You can evaluate a player in all sorts of ways – like with your bank account.

    But I don’t see how booing evaluates anything. It only reflects poorly on the individual doing the booing.

    It’s just bad behavior.

  47. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Bronx Jeers-they didn’t.

    And I was really disappointed they didn’t show Andy throwing out the first pitch. :(

  48. LGY October 3rd, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Eric Chavez and Luis Ayala need to go away when the Yankees make it to the ALCS.

  49. Joe from Long Island October 3rd, 2011 at 10:29 am

    I didn’t realize Joe Torre was posting on this blog.

  50. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 10:30 am

    JonLaneNYC ‘With a bat in your hand you can change the story.’ – Reggie Jackson. That applies to A-Rod and everyone else in the MLB playoffs

  51. Bronx Jeers October 3rd, 2011 at 10:35 am

    ARod gets booed at every visiting park he goes to. I’ve even heard Jeter get booed. On the road, booing is generally a good thing.

    At home it’s different. Sometimes a scrub reliever of an AJ type of bust player will get booed after letting the game get out of hand. But good players get booed as well. Mickey Mantle got booed. Doesn’t make it right but I don’t think players like Arod take it to heart. They’re getting booed because they’re great but are currently playing poorly.

  52. mykyl1 October 3rd, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Yes booing is silly- However I have not not will have a chance to sit down with Arod face to face or AJ for that matter to tell them how I feel. That being said- In my dream we are at dinner and I look them in the eye and let them know in the most kind way I can find that they are both the biggest diisapointments in Yankee history. The re signing of Arod is going to be the biggest mistake in Yankee history. There is nothing he will ever do or has done to change that. He is a joke. He is going to cost the Yankees this post season and there is ZERO reason he is even in the lineup today. None, nada.

    Hows this, boo- throw batteries at them both for all care. Tell them you screwd their wife or girlfriend then spit on them. God you people are way to soft and way to nice. These guys suck and 50,000 fans booing is not nearly enough.

  53. Shame Spencer October 3rd, 2011 at 10:36 am

    “Though I disagree that losing or a poor result is “unacceptable.” It’s not fun, and it’s not what you want, and you’re unhappy about it. But losing and unfavorable results are part of baseball.”

    Totally agree.. I’m just conveying the mindset of a fan. Specifically a Yankees fan. Do I think that standard is absurd? Absolutely. Thats why I love being a Yankees fan. Those on here that want to hide their obnoxiousness are fine by me but I’ll maintain they’re living in denial.

    People get so bent outta shape about booing. Why doesn’t anyone ever go, “Hey, all these people cheering for no reason makes no sense at all. Why the hell are you all so happy? The guy just hit a ball with a piece of wood for cripes sake! He gets paid $30 million to do that. When he hits the ball and cures cancer at the same time, THEN I’ll get up and cheer.” Hell, its just a game. And entertainment. And interactive. I also don’t get why its ok in the minds of some to boo opposing players but not players on your team that fail to execute. Either way I’m booing something that is happening that is causing my team to do the unthinkable: lose! And while we’re at it..GET OFF MY LAWN. ;)

  54. LGY October 3rd, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Cliff Lee aka the greatest postseason pitcher of all time is 0-3 with a 7 ERA in his last 3 playoff starts.

  55. Bronx Jeers October 3rd, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Edit*

    ” or ” an AJ type of bust player…

  56. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 10:39 am

    GET OFF MY LAWN.

    **************************

    Speaking of that, what in the world is that idiot doing as an analyst on MLB Network???

  57. pat October 3rd, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Shame

    I was unaware that booing was a game so I did think you meant baseball.

  58. TheStraw October 3rd, 2011 at 10:45 am

    LGY-

    Who would you like to play third if Alex can’t go? Nuney? Sorry, I’ll take Chavez fielding over Nuney’s streaky hitting.

  59. Bronx Jeers October 3rd, 2011 at 10:47 am

    If booing was a game then I think I might make a good hitting coach. Never good at it in my own career but I understand the fundamentals and I can teach! :wink:

  60. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 10:47 am

    LGY,

    Its a fair point about Martin at least against the Tigers…..but the thing is is that they just didn’t let him catch any in September and you can’t have your pitchers throwing to someone they are uncomfortable with in the postseason……so even though the Tigers don’t run much……Martin is pretty invaluable to have on the field……plus he works counts and has good ABs fairly often.

  61. blake October 3rd, 2011 at 10:49 am

    They need Chavez on the roster…..last night isn’t a good example of what he’s done this year…..he’s been a good spot hitter…..he’s just not a power guy if that’s what Girardi was aiming for. Jones and Montero are your homer guys off the bench regardless of who is pitching

    Ayala now needs to go away for the ALCS…he’s on the side of everything and just looks terrible……the ball is running horizontal instead of sinking.

  62. Shame Spencer October 3rd, 2011 at 10:53 am

    pat – Understandable. I meant as far as the rules of booing go, things are pretty simple: Get a hit, people cheer. Don’t get a hit, people boo. I wish people could better explain to me why this is such an issue in the professional sports entertainment industry.

    Fans are crazy for their clubs.. they just want to win. Anything that gets in the way of that gets booed. I think the idea makes a lot more sense when you put it in perspective of allegiances. My allegiance is to the Yankees as a team, not the players. I love Derek Jeter. I’ve grown up with Derek Jeter. I’ve never watched the Yankees play without Derek Jeter. But if you asked me who I love more, the Yankees or Derek Jeter, I’d pick the Yankees every day of the week. One day, the Yankees will go on without Derek Jeter and I will still love them. So if Derek Jeter does something like yesterday’s error… I’m gonna go “BOOOOO” into my hands to give it that good muffled sound (chicks have a serious booing disadvantage, at least an octave or two) and lament not that Derek Jeter got an error, but that the Yankees are losing.

    Its not about “boo you suck.” Its about “boo I have no other way to express how upset I am that we aren’t winning this game right now when we are clearly the most talented team in baseball and my god can’t you guys just play like it early in games so I don’t get heart palpitations throughout October?!”

  63. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Shame takes her booing very seriously. ;)

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 3rd, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Morning gang! Looking forward to Game Three. Time to turn out the lights in Detroit. I don’t post a lot during the morning but I do admit it’s a bit disconcerting to read through posts and in see your name up in lights!

    I have to say that whoever “Gary” is reminds me of a two-year old. A few times I’ve seen him show up at night and then run here in the morning and cry about what the night-time posters are saying or doing. The most recent before today was when posters were rooting for the Rays to win. That aside, he definitely changes his story in the morning.

    Gary, here’s what you said to me last night:

    You know over the years I’ve appreciated many of your posts, but I have to tell you this constant philosophy that you give out and jumping on anything that is said negative just turns people off.”

    Here’s what he said about me today:

    “Hi Betsy, I went on at night last night since I was away during the afternoon. Don’t do it often, but I think I saw you there. Good conversation except from this Trisha person, is she for real? what a jerk!”

    And this:

    “I’d agree with your assessment, she does seem to have one or two allies around her. The overwhelming rest of the blog is against her.”

    ___________________________

    Well Gary, if you’re out there, reading your posts reminds me Eleanor Roosevelt’s saying, “Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.”

    So which is it though, do you enjoy my posts or do you wonder who I am because I’m a real jerk? And if you truly think the overwhleming rest of the blog is against me, your reading comprehension and/or your ability to read people needs a big tune-up!

    Other than that, they say a word to the wise is sufficient. You might want to stick to chatting with Betsy and just scrolling past what I write if it offends you because otherwise I can become your biggest nightmare. And when that happens, I won’t talk about you, pal, because that’s not my style. I’d rather discuss ideas. But I will talk to you and you might not like the results. Okay Gary? I thought so.

    And if you’re not crazy about what the people at night have to say, treat yourself to staying away. I don’t think that you’ll be missed.

  65. Peepee Hands October 3rd, 2011 at 10:58 am

    I think Jeter deserves as many boos as Arod. Look at what he did yesterday with runners in scoring position. How many rallies did he kill?

  66. randy l. October 3rd, 2011 at 11:00 am

    “Or at least there’s still the impression that he’s one swing away. It’s obvious Leyland thinks that. And that’s one guy whose feel I trust.”

    i think leyland said he pitched to cano because he didn’t want to put another man on the bases when even a ground ball to the infield could be misplayed and thrown away and runners would be running around the bases.

    it wasn’t exactly fear of alex.

    i feel like alex is toast right now offensively and anything he does is a bonus.
    his bat could still run into a pitch by accident, but he’s injured and weak and not game ready.

    for the yankees to win, they need other people to step up.

    one thing alex could do is try to walk as much as possible and not let the tigers see for themselves that he’s scuffling.

    not my idea of a clean up hitter, but it is what it is. they have to find a way to win despite girardi choosing to put alex in there.

    the best thing that could happen would be for alex to tweak something and force girardi to do what he should do and either drop alex down in the order or play him part time.
    i wouldn’t have him play against verlander.
    but who knows, the ball might hit the bat. it happens :)

  67. BBFan October 3rd, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Losing…..
    How many games did they lose?
    Aren’t they tied in the division series?
    Did you expect them to win 11 games in a row?
    The other playoff teams are not weak. There is a reason why they are in the playoffs.

    When the Yanks win tonight, I would like to read what all these pundits here will write.

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 3rd, 2011 at 11:06 am

    And as an aside, the easiest thing for me would be to avoid the gamethreads altogether because they are a cesspool of negativity, childish rantings, and by-pitch knee jerking. And it is only because a few of the posters ask me to stick around to add some positivity to the thread that I do. And that’s the truth. There’s nothing more detrimental to an optimist than to be surrounded by total pessimism.

  69. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 11:07 am

    BBFan October 3rd, 2011 at 11:04 am
    Losing?..
    How many games did they lose?
    Aren?t they tied in the division series?
    Did you expect them to win 11 games in a row?
    The other playoff teams are not weak. There is a reason why they are in the playoffs.

    ***************************

    Yeah, as much as we’d like them to just win 11 in a row, that’s probably not the most realistic view to take. ;)

  70. Shame Spencer October 3rd, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Erin – I do because I’m always so surprised how devisive an issue it is. I feel like someone has to be the silent (or not so much) freedom fighter for all of the oppressed boo birds out there just trying to get their voices heard.

  71. randy l. October 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 am

    blake-

    i agree martin has to catch. just the fact pitchers will throw and 0-2 pitch in the dirt with a runner on third shows how valuable he is catching, however girardi needs to figure out a way to get montero in the game.

    he should have figured it out already. posada has been putting up the kind of at bats that i expected- totally professional hitting, but something has to give to get montero in there.

    he’s not going to be a great pinch hitter if his first at bat in the post season is in the last game with two outs and the tying and winning runs in scoring position. girardi might want to try an give him that first post season at bat in a little less crucial situation.

    i agree there’s no easy way for girardi to squeeze montero in there, but do you think maddon would let that bat sit on the bench?

  72. Villa Nova-Ya October 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 am

    randy l -

    He said both.

    That Alex still has a flair for the dramatic and you need to think about that; and also the part about not wanting put that runner on because it could set up all sorts of unfortunate circumstances.

    So, both.

    Now, Leyland often says nice things that he may indeed mean, but I think he also knows not to say anything controversial. So I believe he meant both things, but I think his strategy had more to do with the latter.

  73. BBFan October 3rd, 2011 at 11:09 am

    “I think Jeter deserves as many boos as Arod. Look at what he did yesterday with runners in scoring position. How many rallies did he kill?”

    I think he was more responibile for the loss yesterday than anyone else.
    But, even when Jeter screws up for some here, it is A-Rod’s fault.

    It is still one game and I believe Yanks will win the series. Then these folks here move on to moan about something else. That is a constant here. Even if Yanks win WS, there will be moaning here.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock October 3rd, 2011 at 11:10 am

    upstate kate October 3rd, 2011 at 8:56 am
    Putting Ayala in was a strange move, but if So/Ro/Mo had been put in and the Yankees lost anyway, there would have been plenty of complaints about that. And I can’t imagine that Girardi ever gives up on his team
    ///

    Kate, I don’t agree at all with this. Speaking for myself, if you put in a much better high leverage pitcher there and he gets hit, you still were increasing your odds of success. If he gets hit, oh well, you still need to go to that guy.

    I can’t think of anyone in here who’s smart who would have complained about an upgrade there, which would have to have been Soriano or Robertson, neither of whom had pitched since last Tuesday. That’s an automatic move; it takes no ingenuity to make that move. That he didn’t is stunning, and he deserves to be called out for it.

    When Girardi brought in Rivera in the ninth on Saturday, it was the right move. You’ve got to nail down that game. If Rivera blows it, there’s no second guessing, and there would have been none in that spot last night, although some may have preferred one over the other – DRob over Soriano, most likely – but no one would have complained about putting in a high leverage BP arm there. Like I said, it’s a no brainer.

    You cannot justify Ayala in there, no way, no how. Ayala is not only the least attractive option there, he was also way more gassed than either guy, because he’s the guy who made it necessary to bring in Rivera on Saturday, since he coughed up two singles and couldn’t finish off the Tigers in that game, as well.

    Only the most pollyana, mindless Girardi groupie, or a person who isn’t really much of a baseball fan to the point of not understanding the game, would try – and fail – to defend that move.

    And sorry, Girardi did demonstrate, and express, a lack of confidence in his offense by the move and his stunning explanation to justify it – that Valverde was some kind of mountain the Yankee offense couldn’t climb.

    No one here who second guessed that move is guilty of anything, other than being a wide awake baseball and Yankee fan who is justly disappointed in the manager’s lack of savvy and confidence.

  75. pat October 3rd, 2011 at 11:13 am

    “It’s a great question,” Leyland said. “I thought about it. But that other guy has been known for the dramatics. I figured it’s wet. It’s slippery. One [pitch] gets away, one run is in. Hit a ball in the infield and somebody throws it away, the game is tied. I just couldn’t do it.

    So drop Alex in the order, dry the field and what other player is “known for the dramatics” so the bat stays in Robbie’s hand?

  76. BBFan October 3rd, 2011 at 11:14 am

    “There’s nothing more detrimental to an optimist than to be surrounded by total pessimism.

    Trisha, you know there are many of us here who are not pessimists.
    If is just that there are so many kids who did not experience much of adversity who rant like that.
    Believe me, those who went thru 80s or early 90s when Yanks did not win anything know how fortunate we are to have such a successful team to root for.

  77. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 3rd, 2011 at 11:17 am

    “Trisha, you know there are many of us here who are not pessimists.”

    BBFan, of course I know that. And we’ve all basically been on the same page. That’s why I chuckled at the “the majority of the blog is against her”.

    The gamethreads, however, are their own entity.

  78. jmv October 3rd, 2011 at 11:18 am

    I was thinking…
    A .300 hitter is considered good, usually. It means 7 failures in 10 oprtunities. So he gets 3 applausses and 7 boos?
    That’s exhausting. Baseball of the future is going to need Booing Robots

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 3rd, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Got some nonbaseball work to do.

    :)

    Later y’all.

  80. upstate kate October 3rd, 2011 at 11:22 am

    J Alfred
    I am not a mindless Girardi groupie. I did note that I thought putting Ayala in was a strange move. I am not justifying that move at all. And I did not say that I personally would not have used So/Ro/Mo in that spot yesterday. I understand the thought.

    I didn’t read thru the game threads on either night, but I can assure you that even w/o looking there were posters who were critical of Mo being used on Sat. And that there would have been posters who would have been critical if Girardi used any combo of So/Ro/Mo and the Yankees lost anyway.

  81. Purenyyankee October 3rd, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Jeter, ARod and Tex have been pathetic in this series. How about playing with a little urgency tonight and putting up a 2 spot in the 1st inning instead of sleep walking through the first 6 innings like yesterday.

  82. randy l. October 3rd, 2011 at 11:25 am

    So drop Alex in the order, dry the field and what other player is “known for the dramatics” so the bat stays in Robbie’s hand?

    take any of the batting orders when the yankees were winning and alex wasn’t playing in august and september.

    alex just isn’t right. it’s not his fault, but he’s just in a bad place offensively right now because of injuries and inactivity.

    and the whole point of the yankee offense is not to have cano carry the team. there are a lot of good hitters on the team. the point is to get the whole offense going and not just one player.

  83. Bronx Jeers October 3rd, 2011 at 11:27 am

    randy,

    He did say that. He also talked about Alex’s flair for dramatics. Perhaps respect played a role there. Leyland is certainly big on respect.

    But don’t actions speak just as loud.? I’m not saying he felt Alex was going to end the game with a slam. But Alex is also a smart player and we’ve seen him shorten his swing in those situations over the last 3 seasons. Do you put the tying run on 2nd to face Alex?

  84. Scared of the Wall October 3rd, 2011 at 11:27 am

    I am not a fan of the booing in general, but I have to say that I’m surprised that A-Rod gets attacked by the boobirds while Tex gets away relatively unscathed.

    A-Rod has been injured for much of the year, and he didn’t have much time to get his rhythm back before the playoffs started. He’s also carried this team on his back in the playoffs in ’09. Yesterday, he didn’t even have an opportunity to bat with RISP.

    Teixeira, on the other hand, is healthy and in his prime. He came up with RISP yesterday and popped up (seems to be a common occurrence with him this year). And I know A-Rod gets booed in part because of his big contract, but it’s not like Tex is getting paid in peanuts.

    Again, I’m not advocating the booing, but it just seems like A-Rod always bears the brunt of the blame even though the other big money guys fail to produce as well.

  85. Shame Spencer October 3rd, 2011 at 11:28 am

    As long as the booing robots have lasers. Thats the one thing we’re missing… laser beams.

    Meanwhile… I’m back on my chocolate chip cookie diet today. I already went through an entire box of the Chips Ahoy chunky. Soft baked, you better run and hide, because I’m coming in hard.

  86. J. Alfred Prufrock October 3rd, 2011 at 11:29 am

    upstate kate October 3rd, 2011 at 11:22 am
    J Alfred
    I am not a mindless Girardi groupie. I did note that I thought putting Ayala in was a strange move. I am not justifying that move at all. And I did not say that I personally would not have used So/Ro/Mo in that spot yesterday. I understand the thought.

    I didn’t read thru the game threads on either night, but I can assure you that even w/o looking there were posters who were critical of Mo being used on Sat. And that there would have been posters who would have been critical if Girardi used any combo of So/Ro/Mo and the Yankees lost anyway.
    ///

    Kate, I didn’t say you were – I read your post, you said it was a strange move, didn’t you? I read that. I said, there’s no justifying what he did, which you did not.

    What I take issue with, is deciding that people who criticized the move would have criticized the upgrade, had the upgrade failed… I think that is a highly unfair and also untrue assumption.
    I think, in fact, you’re implying that people who called out the manager for the “strange” move are the mindless ones; you seem to be saying since they had the clarity to question the move, they probably would have complained had he done the right thing and that had failed.

    To me, that’s unfair.

    I’m just frankly tired of the high anxiety in this place whenever the manager is questioned. The manager did a poor job yesterday – why can’t we say so on a Yankee blog???

    Is it a discussion board, or not?

  87. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Shame-that is one awesome diet. :)

  88. Shame Spencer October 3rd, 2011 at 11:35 am

    “I am not a fan of the booing in general, but I have to say that I’m surprised that A-Rod gets attacked by the boobirds while Tex gets away relatively unscathed.”

    This there is no argument for, even as a relentless defender of the boo. I think Alex is just a polarizing guy and in the fans’ minds representative of a lot of issues in baseball in general. I will defend the boo, but even I can recognize that there are some who misuse and abuse it. Not unlike cellphones or recreational drugs.

  89. upstate kate October 3rd, 2011 at 11:35 am

    J Alfred
    You are right, I shouldn’t generalize. I don’t have an issue w/ criticizing Girardi at all when the reasons are valid, as yours generally are. I have an issue w/ people who mindlessly criticize whatever moves are made, whatever the moves are. There are plenty of posters who do just that, which is why I have given up on the game threads. Sometimes the right moves are made, but the players fail to execute.

  90. Triple Short of a Cycle October 3rd, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Jeter, ARod and Tex have been pathetic in this series. How about playing with a little urgency tonight and putting up a 2 spot in the 1st inning instead of sleep walking through the first 6 innings like yesterday.

    ——————————————–

    Sat they played with urgency because they put up runs but yesterday they didnt? Do you realize how idiotic you sound?

  91. Shame Spencer October 3rd, 2011 at 11:38 am

    “I think, in fact, you’re implying that people who called out the manager for the “strange” move are the mindless ones”

    Kate would never do such a think, J. Alfred. BOOOOOOO. ;)

    (This is a joke… please…. I repeat… this is a joke)

    I think we all need to shake off the mood the Yanks left us in last night.

  92. hardwired7 October 3rd, 2011 at 11:38 am

    There must be some type of “Come out from under the bridge!” call the moment the game thread hits. It’s uncanny how game after game it’s the same.

    It’s sort of like the “News team assemble!” call from Anchorman. Except, instead of Brian Fantana, Brick and Champ we get Ruby (or his latest iteration), ralphfl (or as I call him, “Caps”) and other assorted head cases.

  93. Joe from Long Island October 3rd, 2011 at 11:39 am

    I can’t argue with Alex not having his timing down. Not unexpected, given what he’s been through.

    I wouldn’t pull a Joe Torre, either, and bat him 8th. We saw how the team reacted to that. Given the respect Alex is reported to have in that clubhouse, it would be nothing less than a sign of panic, IMO.

    Bat Alex 5th, and have someone else protect Cano (3rd)? Makes sense, just who is that someone else? Nick Swisher? Mark Teixeira? Jorge Posada?

    It’s ok to say “Montero” behind Cano. He’s got this great swing, he’s righty, and all.

    But, do you want Jesus Montero, 21 year old rookie up for a whole month, making his playoff debut, batting cleanup facing Justin Verlander, master of a 4 pitches, inlcuding some bad-a** breaking stuff?

    I don’t think this decision is so clear cut. It’s one thing if you’re Joe Maddon, playing with house money; nobody’s going to scream if it doesn’t work out. It’s another if there expectation is to win everything.

    It would make for great theater, though. Not sure it would make for great baseball.

  94. Joe from Long Island October 3rd, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Sometimes the right moves are made, but the players fail to execute.

    You see this everyday in life.

  95. Joe from Long Island October 3rd, 2011 at 11:42 am

    You can make bad decisions that work out, and good decisions that fail.

  96. 108 stitches October 3rd, 2011 at 11:42 am

    It seems that opposing teams don’t have the fear of Alex that they once did. He’ll still have a few good seasons but having any more MVP caliber years many not happen again.

  97. pat October 3rd, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Urgency is only as good as the next starting pitcher. Who’s starting for the Tigs today?

  98. Bronx Jeers October 3rd, 2011 at 11:44 am

    I remember in “Saving Private Ryan” they failed to execute that German soldier and it came back to bite them in the end. :sad:

  99. Triple Short of a Cycle October 3rd, 2011 at 11:45 am

    I don?t think this decision is so clear cut. It?s one thing if you?re Joe Maddon, playing with house money; nobody?s going to scream if it doesn?t work out. It?s another if there expectation is to win everything.

    —————————————————————–

    Not pitching Rivera against Sea in 95 cost Buck his job. Years later he said it was a huge mistake on his part

  100. Joe from Long Island October 3rd, 2011 at 11:46 am

    108 – that’s clearly the case right now. His timing is off. Here’s hoping he finds it soon.

    As far as the years ahead, I thnk we’ll see. Henry Aaron had a killer season when he was 37.

  101. austinmac October 3rd, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Almost all pundits sid AROD would be a series key. I agree. He looks very late on fastballs. He continuues to swing and miss at 92 mph fastballs down the middle. Verlander will overpower him tonight. I don’t know if it is health or timing, but he has had quite a number of at bats to still look so out of sorts.

    They need their clean up hitter to at least produce a bit. If he is unhealthy, sit him. If he is not, cross your fingers he will have a few good swings.

  102. Joe from Long Island October 3rd, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Triple – absolutely right. One of the things in the equation is not to be afraid to take a chance with the right talent. Just realize it might work out.

  103. J. Alfred Prufrock October 3rd, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Kate, I understand how frustrating the game threads are. But there are some here who just like to pile on the manager (their posts speak for themselves, so there’s no need to name them) and then there are those who question the manager’s moves when they disagree with them but have no malcontent problem.

    What has happened, here, I think, is people get lumped together. I think that’s unfortunate. It breeds a climate where no one really listens to anyone else, and just reacts viscerally. Someone here cried that the younger fan doesn’t appreciate how good the team is and their success as an explanation for the “complaints”. Well, that’s just a mindless gloss. I’ve suffered through the late 60s and early 70s, enjoyed the mid to late 70s, and then was around for the years when we were never quite as good as Baltimore, watched George Brett take Gossage out of the park in 1980, witnessed us blow the ’81 WS (after leading 2-0), lived through the almost-80s in general, then watched as the mid to late 90s teams and into 2000 took our breath away…. I’ve lived it all and seen it all…so I don’t like someone coming in and lumping me with the “spoiled” fan who hasn’t known any Yankee misery, by virtue of “complaining” about a seriously bad move by the manager…

    My wish for myself and for others is that we all pay attention to what is actually said, rather than what is generally said…I’m sure you’d agree, that would raise the civility quotient (and I know you are as civil and polite as they come on here) and make the place much more inhabitable for fans who want to discuss the games and the team.

  104. Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 11:49 am

    New Post: Sabathia and Verlander, take two

    :arrow:

  105. Triple Short of a Cycle October 3rd, 2011 at 11:53 am

    What would make the game threads more tolerable would be for Chad to police the blog like Pete used to and start booting people. These are not Yankee fans that are doing it. They are fans of other teams that come here for the intent of disrupting the blog

  106. yankeefeminista October 3rd, 2011 at 11:54 am

    The booing was minimal. You hear a few stray boos on television, but most people don’t boo and are supportive of even the polarizing ARod.

    Also, I just watched the replay, and you can barely see the rain on it. I had moved down to 100 level, right behind the plate for the last AB’s and the rain was a big factor in the AB’s. Really not great conditions for hitters. Still, had Joe gone for his A pen as he should have, we may have only needed to manufacture one more run once the score was 4-3, and would have approached the 9th totally differently. No excuse having Ayala in there. Woke up this morning and it was the first thought that came to me. Mind boggling.

  107. NY70 October 3rd, 2011 at 11:54 am

    I’ll bite. Where has Arod “kept the bat in Cano’s hands”? There have been no open bases. The second, in a close game, that Cano comes up with runners on second and third, he’s being walked. Rodriguez has NO business batting cleanup now.

  108. J. Alfred Prufrock October 3rd, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Shame Spencer October 3rd, 2011 at 11:38 am
    “I think, in fact, you’re implying that people who called out the manager for the “strange” move are the mindless ones”

    Kate would never do such a think, J. Alfred. BOOOOOOO.

    (This is a joke… please…. I repeat… this is a joke)

    I think we all need to shake off the mood the Yanks left us in last night.
    ///

    LOL, Shame. Boo if you like, Alex and I can take it ;) .

  109. YES October 3rd, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    In the baseball of the future…..ball park hot dogs will come with mustard already in them.


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