Granderson nominated for Hank Aaron Award
Curtis Granderson was chosen as the Yankees nominee for the Hank Haron Award. Here’s the announcement from the team.
Major League Baseball and MLB Advanced Media announced that Curtis Granderson was named the New York Yankees nominee for the 2011 Hank Aaron Award.
Fan voting begins today exclusively online at MLB.com and the 30 Club sites. For the second straight year, a special panel of Hall of Fame players led by Hank Aaron will join fans in voting for the award, which is officially sanctioned by Major League Baseball and has recognized the most outstanding offensive performer in each League since it was established in 1999.
In 2011, Granderson hit .262 with 136 runs, 41 home runs and 119 RBI in 156 games with the Yankees. He led the Majors in runs scored, ranked second in home runs and extra-base hits (81), and ranked third in RBI and total bases (332). He became the only player in Major League history to record at least 40 home runs, 10 triples and 25 stolen bases in the same season. Granderson was also the first Major Leaguer to record 100 runs and 100 RBI in 2011, doing so in his first 126 games.
This year, the Hall of Fame panel will include two new members – personally selected by Hank Aaron – Roberto Alomar and Joe Morgan. They join panelists from last year, which included Tony Gwynn, Paul Molitor, Willie McCovey, Billy Williams and Robin Yount, forming a group comprised of some of the greatest offensive players of all-time. These Hall of Famers – who combined for 23,536 hits, 11,445 RBI and exactly 2,800 home runs – have all agreed to join Hank Aaron in lending their expertise to select the best offensive performers in each League.
Beginning today and continuing through Sunday, October 9, fans will have the opportunity to select one American League and one National League winner from a list comprising one finalist per Club. The winners of the 2011 Hank Aaron Award will be announced during the 2011 World Series.






I wonder why the organization decided that the Yanks should win or lose without Montero. They said they would give him a chance to be the everyday DH in the play offs and he proved that he can hit but he still hasn’t been given a chance. I guess the only way to impress Girardi and Cash is to hit .330 with 10 homeruns in 50 at bats? This was a stupid decision by them.
Yay Grandyman!
That’s a lot of total offence from Grandy, and despite creating and scoring in a huge number of runs, I doubt he wins. I think Bautista will win and that will be his MVP award for this season (since I don’t see a guy on a mediocre team winning the MVP unless he goes totally nuts).
The Hank Aaron award is nice, but WS MVP would be better.
WS MVP on the winning team…….
Joe and hardwired,
i like the way you think!
so far this post season Po is batting .500 w/ 2 BB…what is stupid about having him as DH?
kate – Nothing, he just likes to complain.
upstate kate October 3rd, 2011 at 2:50 pm
so far this post season Po is batting .500 w/ 2 BB…what is stupid about having him as DH?
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But but but Montero!!
Seriously, though, while it would be nice to see the kid get some ABs in the post season and see what his bat could do, I understand Joe’s decision to go with experience, especially since Posada has actually been producing decently in his opportunities.
Also, they said he’d get some chances against lefties, but the Tigers don’t have a lefty starter, so it was pretty simple.
Posada has to be the DH because he’s mashing. This is reminding me of Mattingly in 1995, giving it his final shot. If Montero could play another position, like the outfield, I’d love to have him in there, but there’s no where to put him.
I think we will see Montero in the next round for sure, but Po has been doing a good job.
I was pretty insistent on having Montero DH but Posada has been great this series besides his horrible base running in game 1. He is the Yanks 2nd best hitter in the lineup behind Cano right now.
Tyler October 3rd, 2011 at 2:55 pm
I was pretty insistent on having Montero DH but Posada has been great this series besides his horrible base running in game 1.
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I was thinking on Saturday night that I think I’m actually going to miss Posada’s horrible base running. That’s weird, right?
Tyler – you were “insistent”, were you? I guess your influence with the Yankees isn’t that great. In any event, I’m glad Joe didn’t listen to you. Jorge has produced.
niblick – picking a fight? get over yourself.
only guy montero can play for now is martin – and we’re just not gonna put a rookie catcher in there in game 3 of the ALDS. detroit just doesn’t have lefties.
So Montero will be a part time player next year?
Erin-
There are times where I might miss it. But on Saturday night I would have not missed it at all lol.
Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 12:08 pm
LGY October 3rd, 2011 at 11:57 am
Who do people want hitting behind Cano?
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Clone him. Then he can protect himself.
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This seems to be a little self-serving on your part, Erin. One Cano isn’t enough for you?
GB-
The more Canos, the better.
Why would Montero be a PT player? He can do some of the catching and DH.
Next year Montero will have much of the season to work on hitting major league righties as the BUC and primary DH. Much like there was plenty of time to let Jeter get himself right, and give Posada a chance to find his bat throughout the season.
There is no reason for him to do that in the playoffs.
Niblick October 3rd, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Tyler – you were “insistent”, were you? I guess your influence with the Yankees isn’t that great. In any event, I’m glad Joe didn’t listen to you. Jorge has produced.
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Uh, I’m a fan? I’m glad Jorge is doing well. I’ve always been a big Jorge supporter. I still think Montero’s bat is being wasted on the bench though.
I fully expected Po to produce and have been saying so all year. The point is Montero should have been able to get some AB’s and fill in behind the plate if the need arose, but the Yankees didn’t create that contingency plan. Montero would have been a nice addition to yesterday’s lineup after Martin had caught the night before. Or as a pinch hitter who stayed in the game at catcher after his AB, but hey, Joe just doesn’t trust him back there, and probably never will. Pity considering the bat is game changing.
Montero will play every day next year. DH and catcher.
Wouldn’t it be great if our offense showed up tonite and produced like they did against King Felix the last time they faced him? How great would that be? I’m allowed to DREAM dangit!
Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 3:07 pm
GB-
The more Canos, the better.
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Please allow him to get some rest. No more all night phone calls to him.
blake, let’s hope, but I am not convinced Girardi sees things that way.
GreenBeret7 October 3rd, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Please allow him to get some rest. No more all night phone calls to him.
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Sigh. OK…..if I have to.
It’s fun to laugh at Cliff Lee’s misfortune last night, but it’s even more important that he has failed both in his first NLDS game and that he got knocked around in the WS by San Francisco.
Whomever’s idea it was to trade Montero for Lee, whether Cash’s or Levine & the Stein Boys, they might take note that this invincible, aging left-hander has been eminently hittable in the postseason for two years in a row, now (never mind against us..he wouldn’t have gotten to pitch against us if he was one of us).
They basically were ready to trade away the next great Yankee hitter for this guy, when they are looking at life with Alex at 37 and no real right-handed power in the lineup otherwise next season and the one after that.
I always have two concerns with losing in the postseason. Losing, of course, which would suck, and them being so out of joint by losing that they blow up the farm. I live in dread that not just Montero, but also Betances, Banuelos and Sanchez will somehow will be sacrificed for “bridge” arms. …
I think they have to get out of the ALDS at the very least to keep these guys safe. …I believe we will win, but there’s always extra pressure because of these concerns…
Yankeefem…..I think Cashman will order Montero be in the lineup every day next year.
Montero will play every day next year. DH and catcher.
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According to Joe he can’t catch or hit righties. I doubt he is still with the team come next year
“I always have two concerns with losing in the postseason. Losing, of course, which would suck, and them being so out of joint by losing that they blow up the farm. I live in dread that not just Montero, but also Betances, Banuelos and Sanchez will somehow will be sacrificed for “bridge” arms. …”
I don’t think they’ll panic…..if they didn’t panic last winter then there is no reason to this winter if they don’t win (which I still believe they can).
I think they’ll look to improve like always…..but will only deal their top prospects if something really makes sense that will improve them for now and the future….
Cashman said that he hac been trying to get Martin for 3 years and thinks he is like Thurmon Munson
I have never heard Girardi say anything to that effect. I fully expect Montero to catch and DH full time next season.
Joe hasn’t said he can’t hit righties…..they just don’t have enough of a sample to believe he can hit them better than Posada right now.
I really can’t see any way they trade him this winter unless a Clayton Kershaw becomes available……they need his bat badly going forward and Cashman has to realize that.
blake, we have different ideas, though, about what that can’t-say-no deal would be…as you know, I was never on board for dealing Betances for Jimenez, while others here kept pushing for that…they did say no to Jimenez, which is some solace. I just do not trust the ownership. …Cash I believe is sincere in wanting to keep these guys, but Levine & Stein Boys have gone over his head before…I don’t trust them…
Hmmm..Cano needs an ’80s movie assignment. I’m leaning towards Lethal Weapon.
Montero will be the primary DH next year and I predict 50-60 games behind the plate……they should go ahead and work him at 1B some as well in ST.
Yank 97 October 3rd, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Cashman said that he hac been trying to get Martin for 3 years and thinks he is like Thurmon Munson
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He needs to stop with the Munson comparisons…If he could hit like Munson, that would be one thing…
Still can’t believe we lost Vizcaino for Vazquez.
Ironically, we got from Garcia what we were expecting from Vazquez – a guy who eats a lot of innings and churns out quality starts from the 4 spot. Except hey got him for a ST invite and no prospects.
J alfred,
But they ultimately have held on to them……I think if Cashman comes back then he ‘ll want autonomy with decision making…..and they should give it to him.
Girardi overrates catching defense. He just does.
& I like Martin but he is nothing like Thurmon Munson except in that he is feisty and a gamer like Thurman. Especially not in the offfensive category. Martin couldn’t hold Thurman’s bat.
4time, I’d also take Melky’s short stroke about now…
One promising development on young pitching though is that Jo-Ram is throwing really well again, and has enjoyed a real jump in velocity… he’s the arm they said was their fall plan for losing Vizcaino (not that I was ever for that). If Jo-Ram can be that guy, that would take the edge off some…
I don’t want Montero catching 100+ games…..I want him healthy and mashing. He can catch some but ultimately I want him to be the Yanks next first baseman.
Again, blake, I don’t disagree about where Montero should get time. DH and C; I don’t like him at 1B. Otherwise, here’s hoping.
I hope so, blake. Still, the anxiety is always there for me..just the way it is.
I don’t think it is only Joe – I think Cashman has a thing for “gritty” defensive catchers as well.
That is fine – just not at the expense of Montero.
J Alfred
Have they gone above Cashman’s head for a trade? I don’t remember where they have over ruled him except for Soriano.
Hopefully seeing the results of the Jimenez deal will make them think twice.
*Thurman” with an “a”
If we could just get to a couple years from now, where Sanchez and Montero are splitting the catching chores, we will have made it through the scary period where either could be dealt, and we’ll be set up for years with an obscene advantage at C/DH over other teams….
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He can catch some but ultimately I want him to be the Yanks next first baseman.
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2017 is right around the corner!
yankeefem – I don’t think Girardi rates D for his catchers any differently than many other managers. Look at Mike Scioscia. He had Mathis in his lineup pretty regularly, and the guy hit under .200. Jose Molina has made a career of being a very good defensive catcher, while being a light bat (I know, his numbers were pretty good this year).
One can argue that that much emphasis on defense isn’t warranted. But, I think Girardi has a lot of company in thinking that way.
Kate, Cashman has gone on record saying “I’m glad that deal didn’t make it through”… Rich in NJ claimed Cashman wanted nothing to do with that trade, which was all but complete, but I don’t know that there’s proof. Philosophically, it doesn’t seem to make sense, but perhaps it was a joint decision that he reluctantly caved on? We don’t know for sure. …I would like to believe Rich, but no proof… makes me even more nervous….I did hear Cashman speaking to scouts in Trenton, saying he wanted to upgrade but didn’t want to pay the price… I also over heard him positively glowing about Betances and his work ethic, which pleased me. …Betances’ curve ball that day had unbelievable late break and depth and he was getting a ton of caught lookings..I remember seeing Cashman’s seat empty for two of them and feeling anxious… thought he had left, but he returned to see some more, so I was quelled ….
kate – yeah, but Soriano wasn’t a trade, it was just Steinbrenner’s money. So, if it didn’t work out, they were just out $$$, instead of a player. I’d be surprised (not that we’ll ever know) if they ordered Cash to make a trade on the basis of talent. Just like some manager’s resign over lineup meddling, I have to think a GM would feel the same way.
Theo to Chicago, the Cubs. And, Francona to the White Sox.
If Cashman is getting overruled as much as you guys think he is…. why the hell would he ever come back, especially with how many GMs jobs there are open this winter?
I think people overrate how much Cashman wants to hold onto prospects and think every deal with prospects is coming from above.
What does it say about him if he signs an extension despite knowing that ownership is going to make him trade away his crown jewels? Why would he even stay on because our future would be bleak if ownership had control and Cashman’s stock himself would be lowered as a result.
And his salary is pretty much the same as other top GMs, so it’s not all about the money either. He obviously has more control than people think he does.
I don’t want to see Montero at 1B. Let him split the plate with Sanchez, that’ll keep them both fresh…
He refused to trade for Santana…he knew C was gonna be available and smartly avoided giving up our young guys for a pitcher frankly in decline… he also knew we would not have won that year, even if we had added him…. he does seem to have some perspective, and dedication to the farm… he’s been the architect to rebuild it, so he does have an investment in keeping the more elite ones…
More Yankees as ’80s movies (which I’m convinced will bring them good luck in the playoffs):
Rivera: The Terminator
Granderson: Some Kind of Wonderful
Swisher: One Crazy Summer
Also, hindsight is 20/20. Maybe after seeing Jimenez’s results this year, that’s why he’s glad the trade didn’t go thru…
The Rookies aka ’80s pop stars can be Young Guns
RiverAveBlues Rearranged Tigers lineup tonight to face CC: Jackson 8, Santiago 4, Young 7, Cabrera 3, Martinez dh, Ordonez 9, Peralta 6, Avila 2, Inge 5
It seems as if Cashman really values the farm, and he has been able to hang on to the top guys. Why would he want to leave when the farm guys are all on the verge of making it to the big leagues?
Why can’t Montero catch CC ? Get rid of the dead wood Martin who swings at the first pitch every time. Let Montero catch and bring in his bat ! I mean it’s not like we don’t need it.
Interesting stat…
Verlander has pitched atleast 6 innings in every start this season…
CC has pitched atleast 5.2 innings in every start this season…
Actually, ignore the Swisher as One Crazy Summer. I think he’s the best fit for Ferris Bueller’s Day Off
I don’t think Cash is going anywhere but the bank.
He has been quoted as saying he likes his job, and it’s a great system to work in. Levine and Hal have each been quoted as saying they’re very happy with him. In this context, Cash’s reported comments on how hard he works and under so much stress, strikes me as negotiating.
Catching a rookie with zero experience with the staff in the playoffs? It’s a wonder some of you aren’t managers already…
Scosicia pushed Napoli out of town because he didn’t like his defense and he went on to help Texas win the division again…….while the Angels continued to not be able to score.
that’s what I think, kate. I don’t see Cash leaving with Manny & Dellin so close…Montero is already here, and he’s already made a statement that only someone with their head in the sand can ignore…
I love that Kennedy pitched so well this year. It’s great when a guy like that does well… maybe people will go for a Phelps or a Warren since we draft good pitching, and stay off the potential frontline guys… even AJax, as lost as he looks at the plate, is such an elite defender already. AJax, the kid in Seattle Gutierrez and BJ Upton are just the most naturally gifted CFers in the league…our talent is sought after…give them guys we can live without, not ones who can anchor the staff and the lineup for years to come…
I agree-I can’t see Cashman going anywhere. He’s said he wants to stay, and a couple weeks ago Levine was quoted as saying they want him back.
I think Cash is a Yankee lifer. I think he stays and perhaps gets even more control.
Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Hmmm..Cano needs an ’80s movie assignment. I’m leaning towards Lethal Weapon.
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How about “The Natural”? I’d have said “A Star Is Born”, but that’s a ’70s movie.
At least we won’t have to face Kenny Rogers or Jack Morris in Detroit, or Lolich or Bunning for that matter. I’ll take my chances against everyone else but dammit we need a few more guys to hit
If we see Ayala coming in our movie could be “Better Off Dead” but hopefully we’ll all be enjoying “The Empire Strikes Back” by about 11:30 tonight.
Im not talking about Montero playing 1B now……I mean like 5 years from now. If Cabrera coukd be an acceptable catcher do you think the Tigers would want him back there vetting beat up every day? I think they’d rather have him at 1B concentrating on hitting……Montero is a hitter first and foremost……and whatever maximizes his ability to hit is what they should do IMO
I think Cashman will.come back…..but I think before he agrees to it he may make it very clear that he wants Levine and Co to stay out of his way and let him do his job.
If I was Cash that would be a condition…..I make the player decisions or Im gone.
we need this game.
Ayala is the pitcher Girardi uses in games where they’re behind, or in blowouts.
During the season, you could see Girardi had two groups. Soriano, Robertson, Mo, Wade, +/- Logan in games he was leading or tied. Everyone else in game where they were behind.
Ooooh…GB, I like The Natural for Cano!! Good one.
Bronx Jeers October 3rd, 2011 at 3:44 pm
If we see Ayala coming in our movie could be ?Better Off Dead? but hopefully we?ll all be enjoying ?The Empire Strikes Back? by about 11:30 tonight.
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“Ayala is the pitcher Girardi uses in games where they’re behind, or in blowouts.”
That’s fine in the regular season marathon where conserving the pen is a key to making it to the finish line…….but in the post season sprint you don’t use your B and C relievers when the game is that close …..especially not at home at the stadium
Ayala didn’t cost the Yankees the game yesterday. He had a lot better season and especially in September than Noesi did. I don’t want to hear “high leverage” or any leverage. When your spot on the roster is on the line, it’s all high leverage.
Hopefully CC freezes the opposition like “Mannequin(s)”. I know, kinda corny.
Foxy Knoxy is free!!!
blake October 3rd, 2011 at 3:47 pm
I think Cashman will.come back?..but I think before he agrees to it he may make it very clear that he wants Levine and Co to stay out of his way and let him do his job.
If I was Cash that would be a condition?..I make the player decisions or Im gone.
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Unrealistic. While he has a great deal of control, no one is going to give all control. The owners actually OWN the team, the Stein brothers have given him plenty of leeway and power within the organization. That should be more than enough.
rr212 October 3rd, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Hopefully CC freezes the opposition like ?Mannequin(s)?. I know, kinda corny.
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I like it.
Embrace the hate!
http://www.jest.com/video/46873/too-much-moneyball
Amanda Knox is free!!!
Whats sickening about Cashman is that he’ll bring back everyone and their mother for a 2nd or 3rd stint with the Yanks, including assman Proctor. But he wouldnt bring back either of the 2 heart and soul, clutch guys, Matsui or Damon.
Vazquez, Nick J, Thames who I like, Proctor, Gaudin, etc.
They can give Cash decision making control……as he knows more about baseball than the owners do.
That’s fine in the regular season marathon where conserving the pen is a key to making it to the finish line…….but in the post season sprint you don’t use your B and C relievers when the game is that close …..especially not at home at the stadium
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So true, and this is a best of 5, not even a best of 7.
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Girardi said he was looking for a hr, so he put up Chavez who has 2 all year. Take a shot with Montero and if you need a bu catcher you use Posada and lose the DH.
I did want Damon back…..
That video is fantastic pat
thanks Pat
Cashman wanted Damon back. I think Boras played Damon b/c he wanted the Yankees to sign Holliday.
Bernie Williams this moment can hit better than half of this team.
When will Pavano become the next Brian Cashman “All Star”
“Bernie Williams this moment can hit better than half of this team.”
Nah…..but I bet Oneil coukd foul off 10 pitches and draw a walk today.
Right now, this team could use the intelligence and desire of a guy like Matsui or Damon at the plate rather than Swisher. Swisher will never provide any meaningful postseason moment to us (of course I hope thats a jinx)
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hairy lucchino October 3rd, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Right now, this team could use the intelligence and desire of a guy like Matsui or Damon at the plate rather than Swisher. Swisher will never provide any meaningful postseason moment to us (of course I hope thats a jinx)
Well Swish was sure palying to normal postseason form until he poped that one yesterday. Hoping maybe it’s the start of something good.
“Nah…..but I bet Oneil coukd foul off 10 pitches and draw a walk today.”
Agree completely. #PaulOneillBanner
Looks like same line-up for Yankees and Jackson CF Santiago 2B Young LF Cabrera 1B Vic-Mart DH Magg RF Peralta SS Avila C Inge 3B for the Tigs.
Swish popped one at what was at the time, a meaningless situation. If he had known what was to follow, or the deficit had been 3 runs to begin the 9th, you can bet your life he wasnt popping one
if our bats weren’t so dead yesterday I might say that we will handle verlander the same way we handled king felix.. but we just don’t know..
I do know who needs to step up tho..
Jeter
Arod
Tex
Martin
Gardner
Swisher
Granderson
That’s all..the rest of the team is hitting fine. c!:-)
Another rotten day in the market. Hard to believe that such a small country so far away can have such a profound effect on us here at home.
blake October 3rd, 2011 at 4:06 pm
I did want Damon back…..
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So did the Yankees
ju$t not enough.
Montero was not going to get a fastball. his biggest issue late in september was sliders low and off the plate.
Pat-
Really enjoyed the video, especially after seeing Moneyball last week.
GreenBeret7 October 3rd, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Montero was not going to get a fastball. his biggest issue late in september was sliders low and off the plate
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GB I wonder how many hittable pitches the Yanks will see tonight.
Cherry picking stats I like…………
Buster Olney
Gerry Davis is the home plate umpire. In his career, Sabathia is 6-0 with a 2.19 ERA when Davis is the home plate ump.
On a positive note. The Tigers have only gotten runs off one relief pitcher-Ayala, while the Yankees have gotten to the top 3 relief pitchers the Tigers have in Benoit, Alberquerque and Valverde.
ANyone here know if Tampa-Tex go into extras, how TBS will handle? Is there an auxiliary station that shows our game, or picks up their in progress and TBS shifts to us?
& how has the TV broadcast crew been in the first two games?
LOL
TylerKepner
The scoreboard at the Trop is instructing fans on “Proper Cowbell Etiquette”.
Gary October 3rd, 2011 at 4:26 pm
GreenBeret7 October 3rd, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Montero was not going to get a fastball. his biggest issue late in september was sliders low and off the plate
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GB I wonder how many hittable pitches the Yanks will see tonight.
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Exactly what does Verlander pitching tonight have to do with Girardi using Chavez instead of Montero yesterday?
J. Alfred Prufrock October 3rd, 2011 at 4:38 pm
ANyone here know if Tampa-Tex go into extras, how TBS will handle? Is there an auxiliary station that shows our game, or picks up their in progress and TBS shifts to us?
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If that game runs long, the Yankees will probably start on TNT
Yankee Trader October 3rd, 2011 at 4:35 pm
On a positive note. The Tigers have only gotten runs off one relief pitcher-Ayala, while the Yankees have gotten to the top 3 relief pitchers the Tigers have in Benoit, Alberquerque and Valverde.
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Awesome observation.
Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 4:42 pm
J. Alfred Prufrock October 3rd, 2011 at 4:38 pm
ANyone here know if Tampa-Tex go into extras, how TBS will handle? Is there an auxiliary station that shows our game, or picks up their in progress and TBS shifts to us?
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If that game runs long, the Yankees will probably start on TNT
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thanks
Alden_Gonzalez Leyland on Benoit and Valverde availability: “They’re both probably sleeping now, so I’m not sure.” #tigers
Captain Clutch October 3rd, 2011 at 4:39 pm
LOL
TylerKepner
The scoreboard at the Trop is instructing fans on “Proper Cowbell Etiquette”.
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Would that include shoving the stupid things where the sun don’t shine? If not, then they failed.
This quote from the Despicable Dancing Clown of Detroit probably has been posted before, but it is worth posting again :
“It’s over,” he said. “Two more games. When are the games? Monday and Tuesday? Tuesday we celebrate and that’s it.”
Captain Clutch October 3rd, 2011 at 4:39 pm
LOL
TylerKepner
The scoreboard at the Trop is instructing fans on ?Proper Cowbell Etiquette?.
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I got a headache just reading that.
So any predictions for tonight ?
JackCurryYES Rick Porcello, Jersey boy, on having parents who were Yankee fans “My Mom loves Derek Jeter. She might like him more than me.” He was joking
Erin October 3rd, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Maybe it was more than he liked Jeter! LOL!
New Post w/lineups
Red Robin – I predict you will be annoying.
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