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Pregame notes: “I’m not underestimating him a bit”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Oct 04, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post


Joe Girardi said he woke up this morning feeling no different than any other day. He didn’t hear from anyone in the Yankees front office, didn’t change his daily routine. It was just another day, except this one came with the possibility of elimination looming large in tonight’s game.

“You understand that,” Girardi said. “And you think about how hard you worked. With the players, how hard they worked all year long. You don’t want it to end today. You don’t ever want it to end until it’s the last out of the World Series that you get. And that’s hard if it does.”

On the mound, the Yankees have A.J. Burnett, the team’s embattled starter who had a bit of a resurgence in September but ultimately finished with another disappointing season. The Yankees didn’t plan to have him start a game today, but Friday’s rain forced them to use a four-man rotation.

“I’m not underestimating him a bit,” Tigers manager Jim Leyland said. “He’s got great stuff. A.J. Burnett is capable of going out and throwing a two-hitter tonight. I know that. He has great stuff. You know the scenario is — this is a good situation for A.J., I think, on this stage tonight. People are hot and cold about A.J. and everything. Not us. We know what a great talent he is. If he gets it going, he can wipe you out. We’re very concerned about it.”

Girardi said it’s hard to say how long or short his leash will be. CC Sabathia got into trouble in last night’s third inning, and Girardi it’s “very possible you pull him” if Burnett has a similar third inning tonight.

Phil Hughes is available for roughly 50 pitches. Freddy Garcia has been told to be ready. Ivan Nova is available if things get “crazy” and the Yankees absolutely need innings.

“I don’t think there’s no exact science,” Girardi said. “You look at how (Burnett)’s pitching, getting outs. You can walk a guy, get a double play and then roll. You’ve just got to manage the game, and if you think there’s a time you need to pull him or you think there’s a time you leave him in, you go with your gut.”

• As he so often does, Girardi said he trusts his players who have track records. That’s why the lineup remains unchanged despite struggles by Alex Rodriguez, Nick Swisher and Mark Teixeira. “Everyone wants to throw stuff out, but it’s a couple of games,” Girardi said. “Adrian Beltre was 0-for-9 before today. Ron Washington didn’t move him, and he hit three homers. I don’t think you can make too much of a few games. You (can’t) start shaking up your lineup. These guys have done it all year long, and you expect them to do it.”

• Girardi on Mark Teixeira: “I think he’s just missed some balls in this series, I do. I think he’s had some pretty good swings and I think his at-bats have been pretty good. I thought he missed a ball the other day at home, I thought he hit a ball hard yesterday. I think sometimes you can get caught up in the numbers and not necessarily look at the at-bats. I think his at-bats have been OK.”

• Basically, the Girardi quote is the exact same for Swisher.

• Asked about Derek Jeter’s late-inning outs the past two games, Girardi pointed to the guy on the mound. “That’s why they get paid the big bucks, the closers, to get those big outs,” Girardi said.

• Girardi called the mood in the clubhouse “loose and relaxed” and said he felt no need to address the team before tonight’s game. “It’s not like I have a bunch of kids,” he said. “I have guys that understand what this is about.”

• The only pitcher no available tonight is CC Sabathia. “If he could throw right-handed he’d be available,” Girardi said. “If he was Mr. Venditte, he’d be available.”

• Nova threw a bullpen yesterday to prepare for a Game 4 start. “If you get in a crazy game you might have to (use him tonight),” Girardi said. “Then I’ll figure it out Thursday.”

• Obviously Hughes is the go-to long man tonight, but Girardi said he won’t necessarily got to Hughes first if Burnett struggles. “You might choose to bring someone in who’s used to coming into the middle of the inning a little more,” Girardi said. “That’s a decision I’ll have to make. I’ll look at some things and who they’re facing.”

• In case you missed it, Texas wrapped up the other division series this afternoon. If the Yankees come back in this series, they’ll head for an ALCS rematch against the Rangers.

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141 Responses to “Pregame notes: “I’m not underestimating him a bit””

  1. Tabbert October 4th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    no magglio, and don kelly in the lineup for the tigers. Both are big time + for the yanks.

  2. Bronx Jeers October 4th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    Leyland’s been throwing out a lot of reverse ju-ju this series.

  3. Jerkface October 4th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    Leyland’s been throwing out a lot of reverse ju-ju this series.

    Hella annoying. Baseball gods must punish his obvious ploys.

  4. GreenBeret7 October 4th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    eboland11 Erik Boland
    Many of those edge-of-their-seat Rays fans TBS keeps showing have been passionate about this team dating all the way back to yesterday.

  5. hurricaneseason October 4th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Porky will be lit up by Yanks tonight. Win today, win thhe series. LET’S GO YANKS

  6. Tabbert October 4th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    We better get this announcing crew next season. By far the best crew that tbs has. Perfect amount of excitement, not obnoxious, no bias, very informative, and they have Craig Sager which is always a Bonus.

    Dick Stockton, Bob Brenly, Craig Sager should be their A lineup.

  7. igotid88 October 4th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    I still think they should have had Hughes stretched out.

  8. luis October 4th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    JF,

    AMEN!!

    I think this park will actually help AJ

  9. hurricaneseason October 4th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Yankee Stadium….we are coming home. See you soon. Freddy Sez: I am dead but the Yanks are not!

  10. Betsy October 4th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Igotid, how would they have done that given that he missed weeks? The only thing they could have done was allowed him to throw an extra inning in Tampa………..and anyway, he can apparently go 50 pitches; whether that’s one inning or 3 is up to him….IF he has to come in

  11. JimK October 4th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    There should be a No Bashing AJ rule for tonight’s game. If he sucks, well what did we expect. Also if he is going great there should be no posts about how AJ has found his rhythm and his improved mechanics are paying dividends, because we know how quickly that can change.
    However, after game 2?s fiasco Girardi is fair game. As is Tex and everyone else not named Gardner.

  12. Betsy October 4th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Joe’s use or lack thereof of Hughes has been pretty odd……..he’s not exactly showing any confidence in Phil being able to get out of someone else’s jam

  13. Betsy October 4th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    However, that said, if it looks bad early, I’d go to Robertson……..they really have no choice

  14. hurricaneseason October 4th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    I wish the sky is falling in crew would look back to the 2009 threads: Yanks were dead a million times according to those doomsday folks…AJ circa 2003 here.

  15. luis October 4th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Jimk,

    You are forgetting Posada who has done an incredible job, and Cano who won game one single handedly

  16. Don Vito A. Bellamo October 4th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    9-4 Yankees, wait and see…

  17. mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    There should be a No Bashing AJ rule for tonight’s game.
    ========================
    True. There really is less pressure on him than people think.
    He did not cause us to be down 2-1 and he wasn’t even supposed to pitch.
    The worst he could do is blow a big lead as he is prone to do.
    There are no expectations and he just might come in loose.
    Just hope he stays that way.

  18. mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    However, that said, if it looks bad early, I’d go to Robertson
    ====================
    Why?

  19. Darrin October 4th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    Okay guys, place your bets – what’s the over/under on AJ:

    Total number of walks + hit batsmen + wild pitches?

    I’m going with 7 (3 walks, 2 hbp, 2 wp). It would be more, but I think Girardi will pull him in the 2nd inning.

  20. igotid88 October 4th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    Betsy says:

    October 4, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Igotid, how would they have done that given that he missed weeks? The only thing they could have done was allowed him to throw an extra inning in Tampa………..and anyway, he can apparently go 50 pitches; whether that’s one inning or 3 is up to him….IF he has to come in
    ——————–

    Yea like yoy said have him throw that extra inning or 2. He has been good the second half save for 3 starts. They didn’t even use him yesterday.

  21. CalYank October 4th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    9-7 Yankees, just wait and see. Mo brings it home again.

  22. mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    A guy like Hughes could come up big tonight.
    Mussina-like. I see a Montero-Coke matchup tonight.

  23. hurricaneseason October 4th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Agree with Don V! Yanks a bunch of runs. No doomsday Yankee fans alowed.

  24. hurricaneseason October 4th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    Loser Darrin. 2 walks, 8k’s, 7 innings, 2 runs. Suck it!

  25. mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    One AB to turn the series around Coke vs Montero on to game 5…

  26. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    hurricaneseason, you got that wrong. Freddy Sez is immortal.

    GO YANKS

  27. Tabbert October 4th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    I like the no bashing AJ idea. We need to keep this place positive tonight. We all need to pull our inner girardi’s and support all of our guys to the bitter end. Like it or not, this might be our final game of the year. No use on getting bent out of shape over their performances now. We need to just root for our guys to succeed and enjoy what might be the final game of this season.

  28. JimK October 4th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Luis

    I will give PO a pass because everyone has been writing his BB obit all year, but Cano is supposed to be one of the best players in BB today. His 6 ribbies in game 1 don’t mean a thing if he fails to come up big in tonight’s game. Just my opinion.

  29. mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Freddy Sez:
    Yanks will never die.
    Even tho I did, I am still watching…

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    I’ll check in after the game.

    I cannot tolerate the lack of respect toward the players by some in here. I don’t want to waste my energy on the loser quotient who can’t tolerate a hint of adversity, so I’ll check in after or tomorrow morning. But to the good fans, I’ll keep you with me.

    GO AJ!!!
    GO ALEX!!!
    GO TEX!!!
    GO YANKS!!!

  31. GreenBeret7 October 4th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Betsy October 4th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
    Joe’s use or lack thereof of Hughes has been pretty odd……..he’s not exactly showing any confidence in Phil being able to get out of someone else’s jam

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    You should be thrilled by that…Doing cartwheels, back flips and hand springs.

  32. MG October 4th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    if the Yankees can’t win this game they didn’t deserve to get to the ALCS and the Tigers have earned their spot.

    the line on Porcello is that he has good control and you need to get to him early in the count, the league batted over .400 against him this year when putting either the 1st pitch, the 1-0 or 2-0 pitches and 2-1 pitches in play.

    He’s tough when he gets ahead, the Yankees need to be selective by swinging at strikes but they also need to be aggressive, there is no waiting him out and going deep in the count unless he’s consistently missing the zone, something that is very unusual for him since averages slightly over 2 walks per 9 innings.

  33. hurricaneseason October 4th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Good call J. Alfred. My bad. Freddy never dies! Yanks still win.

  34. Tabbert October 4th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    positives this season… Nova is a emerging star, grandy and robbie have made this their team, we know montero can hit, and We have found our next closer for a long time in Drob.

    The crazy thing is, I feel the exact same confidence with Drob that i do MO. The man is a flat out beast, magician, just flat out gamer. Yes, a reliever not named MO has turned out to be one of my favorite players on the yankees. LOL

  35. mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Why the Hughes Hate?
    Is it the thrill of hating?
    The rush of negativity?
    Why?

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    AJ:

    “You can’t count me out.”

    Dude, far from counting you out, we’re counting on you.

    God bless AJ Burnett.

    GO YANKS

  37. MG October 4th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    League OPS against Porcello:

    1st pitch: .921
    0-1: .677
    1-0 1.208

    there is no point taking a strike against this guy, attack, attack, attack…

  38. Betsy October 4th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    MG, exactly……..as I think we both said prior to the series: if they’re good enough to win, great; if not, so be it. So far the Tigers have been the better team – but, they still have to win that 3rd game. If they do, congrats to them – I don’t particularly like them, but I do like Leyland.

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    hurricaneseason October 4th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
    Good call J. Alfred. My bad. Freddy never dies! Yanks still win.
    ///

    Good and bad news: no one dies. Even trolls are eternal :(

    Freddy lives among us still..

    GO YANKS!!!

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    1st pitch: .921
    ///

    some of our guys are salivating over that one…

    GO YANKS!!!

  41. mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    So far the Tigers have been the better team
    ============================
    Why?
    Because they won last night?
    If we were up 2-1 would we be the better team?
    Short term thinking…

  42. luis October 4th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    MG,

    I might add….Take what the pitcher gives you, meaning let the ball travel and hit it the other way, no heroics, just good professional at bats.

    Pruf,

    Sad to hear that, we should all triumph or go down together!, GO YANKEES!

  43. Captain Clutch October 4th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Where was this in the 6th inning of the last 2 games??
    ——————

    Buster_ESPN
    Girardi’s bullpen on full alert from start of the game. He says he’s willing to use Soriano or Robertson to stop early-inning rally.

  44. Yogi Mantle October 4th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Tough time for Holliday here, but he comes through as a PH after sitting a good deal. Nice to have some weapons on the bench.

  45. MG October 4th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    I sure hope Pena or Rothschild hid the binder from Girardi tonight.

    This is an elimination game, Joe. Manage it like it’s the last time you will ever manage this team, then do it again the same way on Thursday.

    That means no long leashes on your pitchers, if they aren’t throwing the ball well get them out of there.

    Use your baseball instincts for a change instead of the binder, you played a long time in the show, make believe it meant something.

  46. mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Bases loaded bottom 1st Cabrera up.
    Bring in DRob?
    Not gonna happen…

  47. mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Tough time for Holliday here, but he comes through as a PH
    ============
    Why isn’t he playing?

  48. Yogi Mantle October 4th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    This series is a three way tie, 1 for the Tiggers, 1 for the Yankees, 1 for Davis. Unfortunately, the Tiggers get the credit for Davis’s win.

  49. Jeremy October 4th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    I will say that I’m not happy about Monetro not being used in this series.
    I still think that Girardi is a fool who lacvks a basic feel for the game. If the Yankees want to pull this one out they will have to overcome the ineptitude of Girardi just like they did in 2009.

    I hope that the Yankees can win but I don’t have a good feeeling when you pitch pathetic pitchers in must win games. (Kevin Brown 2004, Jaret Wright 2006)

  50. luis October 4th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Tabbert,

    We also kept our farm intact, i can’t wait to see the B’s making an impact in the not so distant future

  51. mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    who is davis?

  52. Yogi Mantle October 4th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Mick, there is some injury to Holliday’s hand, but they wanted him on to PH so he’s on the roster for that.

  53. LGY October 4th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    League OPS against Porcello:

    1st pitch: .921
    0-1: .677
    1-0 1.208

    there is no point taking a strike against this guy, attack, attack, attack…

    ———————–

    You would be hard pressed to find a pitcher in MLB with different splits.

    Everytime people complain about first pitch swinging someone pulls up the numbers against on the first pitch.

    Those numbers do not mean you are supposed to attack the first pitch. It’s a cause and effect issue.

  54. MG October 4th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    my take on last night is that the Yankees scored 4 runs off a guy throwing 101 when it counted with an off the charts nasty hook, he would have shut out almost every other team in baseball last night.

    CC was just missing but he also threw some bad pitches down, he would have been better off attacking the Tigers up in the zone-I hope that’s where Burnett goes after them tonight.

  55. MG October 4th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    LGY, it means you hit the 1st pitch in the zone, it’s pretty clear from those numbers.

    Just because you don’t agree doesn’t negate the statistic.

  56. luis October 4th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    mick,

    The ump of last game

  57. Yogi Mantle October 4th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    who is davis?
    ++++++++
    Gerry Davis, the biased umpire from last night’s game. Gave the Tigers 17 balls as strikes outside the zone, only gave the Yankees pitchers 4 calls that were outside, but closer than those called for the Tigers. A 3-1 ratio against the Yankees pitchers is not kosher.

  58. LGY October 4th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Most pitchers have poor 1st pitch split statistics because they primarily go to their fastball and most batters are sitting heat.

    It’s just a result of the nature of baseball.

    It should not dictate strategy or every batter would attack the first pitch against every pitcher.

  59. LAYankee October 4th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Come on AJ! Make it happen! Let’s not go down in Detroit.

  60. Jeremy October 4th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Well Girardi said that CC looked good so he kept him in there, but he also said that A-rod and Tex have been looking good so far. Except that both haven’t been that productive all year long.

    Girardi is a delusional fool. The only thing we can do is pray that he develops some common sense and manages this game right.

  61. mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    no answer to cabrera with bags full 1st inning?

  62. mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    cmon all you would be mgrs….posers

  63. LGY October 4th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    @Buster_ESPN
    Girardi’s bullpen on full alert from start of the game. He says he’s willing to use Soriano or Robertson to stop early-inning rally.

  64. LGY October 4th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Wow. Huge DP.

  65. mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Gerry Davis, the biased umpire
    ===============
    You don’t really believe that..

  66. luis October 4th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Mick,

    I don’t think is happening, maybe in the 5th or 6th

  67. Yogi Mantle October 4th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    MG, Verlander got a lot of calls that would have knocked him out earlier had Davis called the game in a fair manner, IE the same for both sides. Jackson got a 6 pitch walk on 6 pitches IN the strike zone, with one foul ball.

    I think CC could have been just as dominating if he had the same strike zone that Verlander had.

  68. luis October 4th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    But if it happens, i’ll walk him

  69. mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    I would walk him.

  70. Villa Nova-Ya October 4th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    So you want Girardi to take the podium and say his players haven’t been doing a good job? That would really help, no?

    If you think Girardi is ever going to say a negative thing about a player in a presser, it’s not Girardi who is delusional.

    Go Yankees. Go AJ.

  71. mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    luis, IBB?

  72. Tabbert October 4th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    I think the 5th inning is a okay time to bring in DROB if its that big of a situation. Say were up by one, or tied, and bases are loaded with 0 outs… I bring in drob with the hope of only giving one run back or possibly getting out of the jam all together. Depending on his pitch count, you could bring him back for the entire 6th, for one batter, then he can play lefty/ righty matchups with logan and hughes. You then hope to get a inning or more out of soriano/wade/ possibly even colon and garcia. Then Mo can go 2 innings if that needs to be done.

    This is worst case scenerio.

    1-4 Burnett
    5 ( big jam) robertson
    6. Robertson/logan/hughes
    7. Soriano/ wade
    8-9 Mariano

    Maybe the big jam happens in the sixth… which would make it easier to work out the pen. But, Drob is a serious weapon that we need to utilize in a key spot regardless of the inning. Anything earlier than the 5th inning is probably too soon though. Hopefully it does not come to this… but we really need aj to just give us 4-5 solid innings. That is.

  73. MG October 4th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    You would be hard pressed to find a pitcher in MLB with different splits.
    —————————————

    League OPS stats against AJ Burnett:

    1st pitch: .718
    1-0: 1.127
    0-1: .883

    League OPS stats against Jon Lester:
    1st pitch: .788
    1-0: .738
    0-1: .662

    want me to keep going, I only checked 3 pitchers?

  74. mick October 4th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Hang loose boys, go get em Yanks!

  75. luis October 4th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Yogi,

    i hate to blame the ump, but in this case you are right. I don’t think it was on porpouse, but it clearly gave an edge to the Tigers

  76. Yogi Mantle October 4th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    mick October 4th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Gerry Davis, the biased umpire
    ===============
    You don’t really believe that..
    __________
    I 100% do believe it. Look for yourself at Brooks Baseball PitchFX. You can count the differences. There is no way anyone can justify the difference in the called strike zone between the two pitchers. http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....evDate=103

  77. LGY October 4th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    want me to keep going, I only checked 3 pitchers?

    ———————

    Who is the third?

  78. luis October 4th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    mick,

    No, but i’ll try to make him commit to a bad pitch and pray that he gets himself out

  79. MG October 4th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Yogi, I’m not blaming CC for last night, he is a great pitcher and a standup guy.

    He’s had Davis behind the plate 7 times before last night and pitched very well. I don’t buy the ‘umpires are cheaters’ bs, maybe the guy had a bad night out there but what it really looked like to me (and I posted it during the game) was that he was calling edges on the 3rd base side of home plate as strikes and not calling the edges on 1st base side consistently all night. CC’s outpitch is down and away to right handed batters and it wasn’t being called; Verlander could work away from lefties and get calls and that was probably enough to make a difference in the game.

  80. Duh Innings October 4th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    I’m watching the Phillies-Cardinals game right now and boy do Yankee Stadium crowds suck ass compared to this one.

    Most people dressed in red with or without white, waving towels, making constant noise.

    Yankee Stadium? Crickets compared to this.

    I wonder how a flat admission price would do moreoever change the makeup thus the atmosphere of Yankee games. I bet it’d change for the better.

    Why not charge the average amount made per ticket in 2011 minus monies made from suites and luxury boxes?

  81. m October 4th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    Fabulous catch. Let’s see if the umps can get it right.

  82. LGY October 4th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Jon Lester in his career:

    First pitch: .808
    1-0: .806
    0-1: .717

  83. Yogi Mantle October 4th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Luis, I’ve talked to a lot of people about this. None of them could explain the difference once they saw the PitchFX plots. One pitch was up by Cano’s neck that was a called strike.

    When two veteran pitchers like Verlander and CC are, have that dramatic a difference in the strike zones there is no way to explain it as accidental.

    There were calls all day today on MLB radio talking about how biased the strike zone was, yet national sports reporters ignore it, don’t bother looking at the pitch plots. Even in the post game interviews the question asked to about everyone was about the strike zone. That doesn’t happen very often. That shows that it was noticeable.

  84. MG October 4th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    LGY October 4th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
    want me to keep going, I only checked 3 pitchers?

    ———————

    Who is the third?
    —————–
    CC-your contention was that it would be hard to find pitchers where that pattern didn’t hold up. In Lester’s case he gets hammered when behind in the count so working it deep against him can work well; in Burnett’s case there is no point in attacking the 1s pitch because you get better results at 0-1 than on the 1st pitch.

    I can keep going but I’ve already disproved your contention that it would be difficult to find pitchers that don’t have similar stats-it isn’t difficult at all.

  85. Tabbert October 4th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Yankee stadium has been the only stadium to not use the towels so far this year i think. The crowd is rockin in St Louis, it was rocking for the brew crew, and the tigers had a rocking crowd. Yankee stadium is not nearly as loud as these stadiums.

  86. m October 4th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    I don’t think it was bias. But Davis was completely incompetent. Well, not completely, because only one team got screwed. ;)

  87. Locke October 4th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    AJ win this game and all the pundits and critics can find a new target. We’re behind you 100%, we know you have lights out stuff, be confident and throw some heat.

    I don’t care how the team has been hitting. We have the best lineup in baseball and we’ve got Jones and Montero to pinch hit. All it takes is Arod swinging a tenth of a second earlier or Tex swinging two inches higher and a routine out becomes a three run blast!

    Go Yankees!!! You’ve been a great team and I know you’ve got it in you.

  88. The Other Phil October 4th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Yankees don’t need gimmicks to get their fans to cheer. :)

  89. umbrelladoc October 4th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    MG- the argument that CC has pitched well with Davis behind the plate only works if Davis always calls things that way. The 12-3 win against the White sox this year CC was getting outside corner against righties. Last years Alcs game 1, less so.

  90. Yogi Mantle October 4th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    MG, did you look at the pitchFX data? A bad night only for one pitcher and not the other? What, is he blind in one eye, with the other closed when CC was pitching? If a location is a strike for one pitcher, is should be for the other one. It wasn’t.

    CC wasn’t at his best last night, but neither was Verlander, but Verlander got the benefit of 17 balls being called strikes. That takes the batters out of their game, as they are forced to swing at pitches in outside the zone. Or they got struck out on pitches that were clearly balls. It helped Verlander get his 11 “strikeouts”.

  91. luis October 4th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Yogi,

    I think all the media talk before the game about how well CC performed with Davies as the Home plate umpier had something to do with his tight zone last night. But i do agree with you, that it affected the end result….CC was gassed after the first inning and never recovered from it.

  92. EliasInNH October 4th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Maybe Sir Lancelot can Ride to the Rescue.
    I detest the Phillies.

  93. LGY October 4th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    CC-your contention was that it would be hard to find pitchers where that pattern didn’t hold up. In Lester’s case he gets hammered when behind in the count so working it deep against him can work well; in Burnett’s case there is no point in attacking the 1s pitch because you get better results at 0-1 than on the 1st pitch.

    ————–

    Porcello gets hammered when behind in the count just like Lester.

    Generally, pitchers have poor split stats on the first pitch and when behind in the count. They have good stats when ahead in the count.

    There’s nothing special about going after Porcello early in the count. He doesn’t have a legit strikeout pitch so the Yankee batters shouldn’t have trouble if they get behind in the count.

    Porcello spams sinkers and will probably be amped up tonight which will hopefully lead to overthrowing.

    The Yankees just have to wait for their pitch. There should be no special strategy for Porcello because he doesn’t have a dominant strike out pitch to wipe you out when ahead in the count.

    Just wait for your pitch. Whether it’s the first, third, eighth, whatever.

  94. The Other Phil October 4th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    Elias: I like Berkman, always have, even before his brief stint in pinstripes.

    I also detest the Phillies.

  95. blake October 4th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    Wonder if Pujols can play RF?

  96. Tabbert October 4th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    berkman’s homer in minny last year was friggin awesome

  97. Bronx Jeers October 4th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    Yankee stadium has been the only stadium to not use the towels so far this year i think.

    ————————————-

    And thank god for that.

  98. EliasInNH October 4th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    berkman’s homer in minny last year was friggin awesome
    —–
    Not as good as Sterling’s ridiculous HR call. I almost drove off the road I was laughing so hard.
    “C’est lui! C’est lui!”

  99. Tabbert October 4th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    I Cant wait for this game to start…. but i also never want it to be 7:37. I’m confident that we can win tonight… but that doesn’t take away from the fact that once the game starts, we might be watching our guys for the final time this year.

  100. Wang IS Taiwan October 4th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Oh so NOW, Girardi says he’s ready to try and win?? GRRRR. Jerk. He keeps talking about how so and so had good at bats and the numbers don’t matter. How about caring about results for a change, dude? Quit trying to assuage egos and put your players in the best position to get the WHOLE TEAM a win, not just make someone feel good about himself for a day.

    Ok, so that’s my negativity for the day.

    GO YANKEES!!!!!!!!!! Show your mettle and overcome your manager’s idiotic moves and lack of you-know-what.

  101. EliasInNH October 4th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    @Tabbert
    Where are you from? Not Eastern Time Zone I’m guessing?

  102. Yogi Mantle October 4th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    I don’t like an umpire that has a poor strike zone, but if it affects both sides equally, then at least it is fair. When the bad calls go against one side by a 3 – 1 margin, how can MLB accept that? When it is that bad a difference, it brings into question the integrity of the umpire.

    I don’t care if one is a RHP and the other a LHP, the strike zone is about where it crosses the plate. If they aren’t calling outside pitches due to the way they are positioned, it would or at least should still be a pretty similar strike zone.

    There were even a couple of AA umpires who called in and talked about the difference in the strike zone on MLB radio today. None of them could understand how it would be so different between the two teams.

  103. Curt Schilling was a steroid user October 4th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    The only thing that loser Allan Craig couldnt do in the 8th inning was GIDP. Even if he had to take eveyr pitch in the AB and hope for a walk, but take the strikeout, he had to get Pujols to the plate that inning. That’s where these players and managers lack intelligence

  104. MG October 4th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    LGY, you never fail to ignore the pertinent stats to bolster your contention.

    Porcello holds the league to under a .550 OPS when he has two strikes unless the count is full; when he is behind in the count (or even) it’s above 1.00.

    the Yankees need to be selective but attack the 1st good pitch in the zone to give themselves the best chance to get him out of there.

  105. Tabbert October 4th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    from girardi’s perspective… these are the guys that got the team this far. Swish, arod, tex are all due to wake up and get hits. I understand that…. but in a 5 game series you have to throw that type of thinking out the window and do whatever it takes to ignite the offense.

  106. Tabbert October 4th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    EliasInNH-

    I’m in Texas

  107. MG October 4th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    there is no way I’m looking at this or any other game thread for the rest of the season.

    Good luck, Yankees, game 5 is in New York on Thursday…

  108. Curt Schilling was a steroid user October 4th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    The Yankees have to do whatever it takes to sign Pujols….if by some miracle, he doestn resign with Cards.

    It doesnt matter that we have Tex and Alex locked up for years. When the best player in baseball becomes available with the ability to impact our team the way Pujols could, you have to be interested.

  109. LGY October 4th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Hitters have a poor OPS against Porcello when he gets to two strikes. That’s baseball man.

  110. Curt Schilling was a steroid user October 4th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    try to sign

  111. Tabbert October 4th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    theme of the day: All road teams win?

  112. Tabbert October 4th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    road teams are 2 for 2 today…. lets make it 3 for 3.

  113. Nick in SF October 4th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    I just got home with a big burrito, yet I’m too nervous to eat. :oops:

  114. Curt Schilling was a steroid user October 4th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    We’ve gotta have a fair HP umpire to make it 3 for 3

  115. LGY October 4th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    I just got home with a big burrito, yet I’m too nervous to eat.

    —————-

    Burrito because AJ will be throwing gas tonight??

  116. The Other Phil October 4th, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Nick: eat it now before the game starts. Otherwise, it’ll be too late.

  117. luis October 4th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    I already have peptobysmol, just in case ;)

  118. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    present and accounted for. will join up on gamethread a few minutes late.

    I KNOW we have this game!

    POSITIVE THOUGHTS EVERYONE! Don’t let negativity creep in or you feed it to the universe. We want all the positive thoughts we have flowing toward Detroit. Lord knows they have enough of their own!!!

    GO AJ!!!

    GO YANKS!!!

  119. blake October 4th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Does anybody really watch Conan?

  120. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank October 4th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Free venditte

  121. m October 4th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Hate to be crude, but I hope Porcello craps his pants in the first inning. :oops:

  122. Curt Schilling was a steroid user October 4th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Aj can only dial it up to 93mph at best now. The best we can hope for is he locates his fastballs well, and that the HP umpire actually decides to call things fairly

  123. Bronx Jeers October 4th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    If you can’t finish that burrito there’s always back-up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKd1vbwweFU

  124. Curt Schilling was a steroid user October 4th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Conan is so not funny, it hurts. Also, he’s a scummy Red sox fan

  125. Nick in SF October 4th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    AJ, throwing nothing but gas… sure.

    Or… because the quesadilla last night didn’t work?

    Mostly, the place I got the burrito was the first place I saw on the way home that appealed to me after I made a pilgrimage to a very special intersection to do my part for positive Yankee thoughts:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/9.....hotostream

  126. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank October 4th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Blake, Conans commercials make me never want to watch Conan

  127. Yogi Mantle October 4th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    LGY October 4th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    I just got home with a big burrito, yet I’m too nervous to eat.

    —————-

    Burrito because AJ will be throwing gas tonight??
    ————-

    Or will have a bad case of gas. lol.

  128. blake October 4th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    AJ has been proving people wrong his whole career he says so tonight will just continue that……now who he’s actually proven wrong I have no idea.

    Go AJ!

  129. UnKnown October 4th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    sportsJC16 Joe Casale
    @
    @JackCurryYES 2 on in the 1st and Cabrera at bat, he has to pull him. Not optimal but, no choice.

    ———

    Plus 1

  130. JimK October 4th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    Am I reading the graph correctly? The squares represent the Tigers pitching and the triangles represent the Yankees pitching? Green is a ball and red is a strike. If I am looking at the graph correctly I do not see a huge pattern against the Yankees; what am I missing?

  131. blake October 4th, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Conan annoys me to no end ans always has……but even if he didn’t I have boycotted him because of these commercials two years in a row…..

  132. luis October 4th, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Jeers,

    LOL!!!

  133. Yogi Mantle October 4th, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Curt Schilling was a steroid user October 4th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Aj can only dial it up to 93mph at best now. The best we can hope for is he locates his fastballs well, and that the HP umpire actually decides to call things fairly
    ____________

    That’s all I ask for. No melt downs, fairly called strike zone, and hopefully wide awake Yankee bats.

  134. Yogi Mantle October 4th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    m October 4th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Hate to be crude, but I hope Porcello craps his pants in the first inning. :oops:
    ________________
    Bad burritos? ;)

  135. blake October 4th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Opponents are hitting .292 off Porcelllo

  136. luis October 4th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Yogi,

    Or a bad case of ex-lax!!! :)

  137. Red Robin October 4th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    I prediction the Tigres will take a lead right out of the gate, and keeps adding to the lead as the game progresses.

    Porcello will be as great as Bonderman in 2006.

    Meanwhile, Allan James will last no more than 2.2 innings.

    Unfortunately, the Tigres will win.

    The last night of the 2011 Yankee season. I hope I am wrong on all counts. I have been following the Yankees every game this year, rooting for them on every pitch since pitch 1 on March 31.

    I am depressed that it all comes to an end now.

  138. Ghostwriter October 4th, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    The bright side is that the no-hitter is intact. I’m actually glad that AJ got his bad inning out of the way. I’m cautiously optimistic that he’ll settle down now that he’s gotten that out of his system, and he’ll give the Yanks some innings.

  139. RadioKev October 4th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    A-Rod needs to bring his level up. Too much talent to let this guy shut you down.

  140. RadioKev October 4th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    At least it was a productive out.

  141. RadioKev October 4th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Porcello is just getting bailed out by this ump. That high strike is ridiculous.


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