Granderson’s glove shines in Game 4
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Podcast on Oct 05, 2011 
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Derek Jeter said he wasn’t surprised. He wasn’t surprised to see Curtis Granderson finally get a good read on the ball in the first inning, wasn’t surprised to see him start to go back on it, and wasn’t surprised to see Granderson make a leaping catch that might very well have been the turning point of the entire game.
“I think he’s made that catch against me here when he played for Detroit,” Jeter said. “He’s very familiar with this ballpark, but that was a very, very important part of the game. If that gets over his head, three runs score. It was definitely a very, very important part of the game.”
Before last night’s game became a blowout, two Granderson catches changed everything. The leaping catch in the first inning might have saved an inside-the-park grand slam. The diving catch in the sixth took away what might have been an RBI double that would have brought the tying run to the plate with a runner in scoring position.
First inning
Low line drive to center field by Don Kelly
“Right away I thought he hit it right to me,” Granderson said. “I took a step in and froze. It started to get some air. At least for my perspective, it kind of went up. I was like, ‘Oh man.’ I was able to go ahead and not be committed one way or the other. I ended up having to leave my feet, which I didn’t want to. I ended up reeling it in finally at the end. Don Kelly came up to me later in the game and he goes, ‘How did you do it?’ I said, ‘You hit it that hard. If you didn’t hit it that hard, it would have fell in and been a base hit.’”
Sixth inning
Hard-hit ball to the left-center gap by Jhonny Peralta
“The (catch) with Peralta started just because of positioning,” Granderson said. “I flet he was a guy that was going to hit the ball to the right-center gap, so that’s where I was shading him. Sure enough, he ended up hitting the ball to the left-center cap, so I ended up having to go a lot further for it. Looked a Brett Gardner, he wasn’t there yet, so I decided to a lay out for it, ended up holding onto the ball. The reason I was slow getting up, I ended up knocking the wind out of myself, and I think I hit my head a little bit because I had a little headache afterwards.”
Here’s Granderson talking about his big night with the glove.
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As much as I wanna see Hughes thrive as a starter, his stuff just looks so much better out of the bullpen.
Grandymancan http://imgur.com/0TYEg
benfica356 October 5th, 2011 at 11:19 am
dang so i might miss a couple of innings
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Benfica – three letters, buddy: DVR.
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champ809 October 5th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Chip October 5th, 2011 at 10:55 am
blake October 5th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Chip,
Yea but the Dbacks turned Edwin Jackson into their #2 starter(daniel hudson).
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True, but I still think Arizona would have been better off with Scherzer and Schlereth than with Kennedy and Hudson.
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Only you would think that the D’ Backs would be better off with guy that couldn’t stay healthy for them and mechanics that clearly suggest he will have arm probs in the future and a LH reliever as opposed to their clear #1 and #2 pitchers who have been studs in the 50 or so starts a piece that they’ve made in leading their organization from worst to 1st in the 2 seasons they’ve worn the uniform. Classic Chipism
Buehrle is not coming here on a 1yr deal and signing him or anyone else is a misallocation of resources considering that the Yanks have 4-5 young starters( Noesi,Warren,Phelps and Mitchell) who are major league/near major league ready with no openings in the rotation for them right now.
I’d be most interested in Colon on a 1yr deal and thrilled if AJ can somehow rebuild some trade value with a big showing this postseason esp. if we make the WS and win it all with Aj being a major contributor. Maybe he can then be packaged with some $ and moved opening a spot for the Yanks to open the season with CC,Hughes,Nova,Colon and Noesi to begin the ’12 season.
The key here is going to be the Yanks insistence on Hughes and Colons’ improved conditioning in the offseason.
The AAA staff should be Warren, Phelps, Mitchell, Banuelos and Bettances which is almost embarrassing in how sick that is. With a good showing from these guys + Noesi and with guys like Romine and Corbin Joseph, Dave Adams and Zoilo Almonte maybe raking @ the AAA level next year again the Yanks may be in a prime position come the trade deadline next season.
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Jerkface October 5th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Grandymancan http://imgur.com/0TYEg
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YankeeFem,
Mason Williams has the ability to play center field as well as BJ Upton does (on the days that Upton’s interested in playing).
If Im Cash…..I try to make a rotation of this happen :
Sabathia
Nova
Danks
Hughes
Garcia.
I would love rent Danks for a year to bridge to Banuelos and possibly Hamels……I think he may be available this winter but don’t know the price tag…..
spidanyc October 5th, 2011 at 11:37 am
As much as I wanna see Hughes thrive as a starter, his stuff just looks so much better out of the bullpen.
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Yeah, but everyone’s stuff looks better out of the pen. This playoffs, sure, but does that mean you stop trying to develop young pitchers because you are going to go through growing pains? I don’t think so.
It’ll be interesting to see if Fister is still hyped like crazy and Nova hardly mentioned before Game 5…..hopefully after seeing him just a few days ago the Yanks will pound him.
I think there is a good chance Hughes’s arm bounces back next year…..he does need to get in great shape this winter.
GB, agree. Mason is phenomenal. He was dominant on both sides of the ball when I saw him. Best player on the field bar none.
The more I hear about guys like Mason Williams and Dellin Betances the more I hate the Mets. #babyyankeestealers.
don’t have one hip
DJ Mitchell would have been up with big club were he not in rehab mode. If we don’t move him, I expect him to have a great ’12 with SWB, and get some playing time with the Yanks next season.
I am going to rewatch Nova-Fister today. Then last night’s game.
Shame, I hate the Mets too for their petty territorial moves. However, the consolation prize is that we can see SWB play 12 games in LHV. Do you live in NJ? Even from NYC, it isn’t a bad trip.
We have no need to go out & sign a free agent who could potentially block the kids in 2013.
For all we know, that fifth spot will be taken, mid-season by one of them. It’s not out of the question that they could make real strides.. neither has that third pitch conundrum, just innings to build and command to work on.
CC
Nova
Hughes
Chamberlain
AJ
Noesi
Warren
DJ Mitchell
…I think that’s pretty solid. Manny starts harnessing his fb consistently, he comes up to give us that second lefty. …. Brackman keeps it clean, he can replace Joba in the pen for now. …let someone else sign CJ Wilson; not someone I’d go after just to keep him from Boston. He’ll probably wind up back in Texas, any way.
As a very long time NYY fan (underline very), what is really exciting to me about this playoff series is the performance of the next generation of stars coming up from the system. Nova, Cano, Robertson, Montero, Gardner et al are all showing that they can shine in October baseball.
The tradition continues.
FakePeteGammons Watching teams play their playoff hearts out reminds me of the great 2004 #redsox. See how I brought it all back to Boston? Damn, I’m good.
FakePeteGammons While Granderson’s defense last night was fun to watch, Ellsbury would have been well in place to catch both balls thanks to Theo’s charts.
blake, I think Hughes’ arm will bounce back and he will come to camp in great shape.
We move on, AJ getting the start Sunday? I don’t see why not..Nova won’t be able to pitch that one after Thursday’s game. …
Yea I really dont think there is any way Wilson leaves Texas……I heard him do an interview where he talked about not needing to squeeze every last dollar and wanting to be comfortable……I think he’ll take a deal similar to Weavers and stay.
Yankees Rafael Soriano, Phil Hughes and Boone Logan combined to strike out 6 of the 10 batters they faced in Game 4. #BacktotheBronx
blake October 5th, 2011 at 11:48 am
If Im Cash…..I try to make a rotation of this happen :
Sabathia
Nova
Danks
Hughes
Garcia.
I would love rent Danks for a year to bridge to Banuelos and possibly Hamels……I think he may be available this winter but don’t know the price tag…..
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What’s your plan for AJ?
FakePeteGammons If Theo goes to #Cubs it’ll be biggest thing to happen to Chicago since Ferris Bueller hopped on a float! God, I love Theo! #hesmyboo
This one gets a gold star from me for the Ferris Bueller reference. The world needs more Ferris Bueller references.
yanks dodged a bullet last night.
AJ only comes up with a game like maybe that once in ten games.
but AJ does not choke. he doesn’t get in the way when he has his good stuff.
talk radio in boston compares him with lackey because of their contracts and underachievement.
he’s nothing like lackey though because he’s a good teammate and well liked by the other players.
he’s just very erratic and just plain bad too often, but he really came through last night.
Rothschild seems to be the right mix of empathy and pitching erudition:
“The last couple of weeks he has gotten his confidence back,” pitching coach Larry Rothschild said. “He has been through hell and back. It has not been an easy two years.”
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1ZvL003OK
My guess is that they would throw Garcia in Game 2 of they win Thursday……either him or AJ and line Nova up for Game 3. Depends on which guy you want making 2 starts…..whoever starts Game 2 starts Game 6
Warning Track Power October 5th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Terrific game last night by A.J! He shocked the world, LOL!!!!
I keep saying this, but when he throws that curve for a strike, he has a HUGE advantage out there.
I was not surprised he struggled in the 1st inning. After all, he previously pitched over a week ago. That’s a long layoff!
Great job A.J.
I loved AJ’s attitude of ‘just haul back and go after it.’ If he walked someone, so what, but he was going to attack.
Chip,
I would try to trade him…..I just said that’s what I would try to do……I don’t know his realistic it is.
blake, I would rather have AJ start 2 and 6 vs. Texas. For me, it always comes back to his stuff. I know there is a risk there, but it alway about the stuff for me. Same reason I felt he would get into this series and pitch well.
yankeefeminista October 5th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
I loved AJ?s attitude of ?just haul back and go after it.? If he walked someone, so what, but he was going to attack.
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He “let AJ loose out there”
I will never get tired of Yankees referring to themselves in the third person
YF,
I would lean that way as well right now…….he’s pitching well right now and against Texas you need to miss bats.
I would not want AJ pitching in Texas’ park. Prefer him to pitch at home.
blake, yep to missing bats, the opponent is a big factor in AJ over Freddy.
Erin
Would love to see Colon come back as a bp guy & BU SP if someone goes down for a short while. He can’t hold up for the long haul as a starter, but out of the bp/#6 starter he is invaluable.
Notice Hughes velocity is back up. His last couple of starts (not relief) before the back issues, his velocity started low 90?s. For now, bp is the best place. Next year is another matter. Would love to see him bounce back.
With Colon down for a week, I wonder if his velocity has come up. Hopefully the yanks are trying him out. If he looks good replace Ayala with Colon in the bp for the rest of the post.
A-rod took good swings. I too think he’s on the verge of breaking out. Also, Teix later in the game looked good. Hopefully he’s on the verge too.
It seemed insignificant because of the score…..but Hughes could really help if he’s going to throw the ball like he did last night.
spidanyc October 5th, 2011 at 11:37 am
As much as I wanna see Hughes thrive as a starter, his stuff just looks so much better out of the bullpen.
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I’ve felt the same way for a couple of years. Hughes who has only two pitches (fastball & mediocre curve) should be working from the pen and Chamberlain (who has a fastball, curve, slider ansd change-up) should be a starting pitcher. The Yankees made a terrible mistake bringing both of them up from the minors before they were ready and then made a worse mistake by entrusting them to Dave Eiland. If the Yankees had waited until Hughes and Chamberlian had amassed an inning total of greater than 150 innings in a season and had Larry Rothschild as pitching coach when they came up, both of their careers would have thrived.
jp, I have never liked Eiland. I thought he really did not understand Chamberlain’s strengths as a pitcher. Rothschild has a much better grasp of how to make the most of Chamberlain’s weapons. In his hands, Joba can go back to approaching elite status as a starter, where he was pointed in 2008.
& Hughes healthy is a starter in my book.
yes, hughes should still be developed as a starter…but i’ve always maintained that he is tailor made to be the heir apparent to mariano. he has a similar presence on the mound, no emotion and just can go out there and deal w/o having to worry about pitch counts. he just has a different presence out of the pen.
starter > reliever but going by what mariano has done for us the past 15 years…finding a replacement for that would be just as big. and i don’t think robertson is that guy b/c of the # of batters he puts on base.
I’d be most interested in Colon on a 1yr deal and thrilled if AJ can somehow rebuild some trade value with a big showing this postseason esp. if we make the WS and win it all with Aj being a major contributor. Maybe he can then be packaged with some $ and moved opening a spot for the Yanks to open the season with CC,Hughes,Nova,Colon and Noesi to begin the ’12 season.
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If AJ continues to pitch great in the post, then he’s established himself as a big game post season pitcher. Not sure I want to trade that away, especially:
1) to replace him with Colon, who can’t last a year. Would love to sign him as bp/#6 sp
2) we don’t know if Hughes’ velocity health issues will haunt him in 2012. He’s great out of the pen as his velocity is at his highest. This year it dropped either during a game or after several games in a row.
I really wish they’d try Joba as a starter again with Rothschild at the helm……I just don’t see them doing it. His stuff was overwhelming at times this year before he got hurt……with him it was never about his role …..it was always about how he was throwing the ball.
Leaving for lunch.
Just a great night, guys. It’s a winner-takes-all Game 5, so in that sense anything can happen, but we really look poised to bust out, Alex and I daresay, Tex… When the lineup’s like that, woe is the opposing pitcher…and BB Miggy!!!
Erin October 5th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Fake Peter Gammons If Theo goes to #Cubs it’ll be biggest thing to happen to Chicago since Ferris Bueller hopped on a float! God, I love Theo! #hesmyboo
This one gets a gold star from me for the Ferris Bueller reference. The world needs more Ferris Bueller references.
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Hey Peter !
Would you forsake playing guitar with Theo and give up your luxury suite at Jurrasic Park to team up with Theo in Chicago ?
Hughes is a starter and he’ll have his chance to
bounce back next year.
Also, even before last night’s game, I would have taken AJ’s stay with the Yanks over all of those awf
mid 00s pitchers – even Randy Johnson. The guy is much more present on this team, a good teammate too.
He’s got all of that upside, which will always make him more valuable than the Lackeys of the world.
blake, I think with Joba’s rise in velocity, cleaner mechanics, being in great physical shape, and Rothschild mentoring him, I not only think it’s kismet, but I suspect there’s a plan in place already.
Joba’s starting next season…
Good one, guys (& gals)!
“It’ll be interesting to see if Fister is still hyped like crazy and Nova hardly mentioned before Game 5…..hopefully after seeing him just a few days ago the Yanks will pound him.”
Already started yesterday with the YES guys talking about how Leyland said they swung at too many pitches out of the zone vs. Nova because it was their first time seeing him. So they said now Nova has to adjust because the Tigers know what he is now and he has to throw more strikes.
Whereas, they keep repeating the line about how the Yankees were “impressed” with Fister and think they were “lucky” to get the runs they did (without realizing that the Yanks always show respect to the opposition and say things like that), while the analysts continue to point out that only 3 runs were his and the others were allowed by Albuquerque.
Really hope the Cards can pull it out tonight and force a Halladay vs Carpenter game 5. Carp would be on 4 days rest this time.
Granderson’s defense and A-Rod’s defense was phenomenal in yday’s game.. Infact A-rod has been terrific through out the ALDS on the field..
blake, having a filthy Hughes out of the pen as we progress in these playoffs would be huge. 2009, revisited. I am excited to rewatch his outing. Curve was at 79, although he only threw 2, but FB was moving. Still want him back and given every chance to be a SP next year
jpb, yep Joba has always had the 4 pitches, but they just seem oblivious to his potential.
JAP,
Hope you’re right….
Last night was just AJ being Cervelli
Blake -
I think it’s possible that with Sori and Robertson in front of Rivera that they might stretch Joba out, but like you said, not likely.
The thing I’m seeing a lot of (and not from you really) is a very scary trend. People are already penciling in Nova at the 2 spot next year and saying “hey we don’t need more pitching, we have all these guys in the minors”
Like I said, this time last year we were all giddy about Hughes being the number 2 going forward – and just because there was success with guys like Nova and Noesi this year, that doesn’t mean that Phelps, Warren, et al are going to progress as well.
People who don’t think this team needs another pitcher because of Nova and Freddy Garcia are kidding themselves.
A guy like Buehrle on a 2 year deal or Rich Harden on a 1 year deal would be welcome additions to the Yankees.
Erin, here’s a little giggle for you and your twin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....&NR=1
YF,
The ball was jumping out of his hand…….that’s always the thing with Hughes as everything works of the ability to beat hitters with his fastball…..very good to see.
GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Last night was just AJ being Cervelli
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A.J. has a role with this team next season.
At the worst AJ can assume the role as the #4 or #5 starter!!
The entire baseball universe knows AJ has flaws, but I don’t think the flaws are so bad that
he does not have a spot with the team.
I’m sure a lot of other teams will be interested in Colon too now he’s shown he still has good stuff. So unless the Yanks include him in their five-man rotation, which I think is unlikely, I will be very surprised if he re-signs. He’d certainly be a useful guy to have in reserve, just so long as you don’t pitch him the whole season.
As for tomorrow’s game, the Tigers are going to need career-best performances from the likes of Fister and Cabrera just to stand a chance. IMHO, they’ve missed the boat. They had to close it out last night. Not only did they lose but they played the out-of-form Yankee hitters (A-Rod, Tex, Swish) back into form. As long as Nova stays cool under pressure, we should be just fine.
GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Erin, here?s a little giggle for you and your twin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..&NR=1
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Yay!!! Thanks GB
Why do people think Rich Harden is a good pitcher?
Chip,
Yea….I just think the Yanks aren’t going to over reach to add a starter……they would love to add another frontlije guy obviously ……but to me the need for it is diminishing and os less than last year…..they have more options now.
My pleasure, Erin
Why do people think Rich Harden is a good pitcher?
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He used to be but then he changed his mechanics to help stay healthy and has become just another average pitcher
Hope so, too, just a hunch, but it also just sort of adds up. His obstacles, according to Cashman, was he had devolved, his velo was way, way down, etc. Here’s a guy who seems to be able to reach him and has him throwing the ball nice and easy. …he’s also in incredible shape. …he seems to be inspired, and he’s said he’d rather start. …the obstacles to starting would seem to be out of the way, especially if velo loss was considered injury related.. TJS seems to strengthen pitchers, and I bet they have him on a program he has bought into. …new pitching coach… ….I think if this plan is underfoot they would not blow the whistle on it, why set the Francesas of the world a-howling?
Sure, I don’t know anything about what’s going on on the inside, but it just adds up… they need starting pitching, too.. we’ll see…
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Yea, ARod doing his Nettles thing last night,…that can’t be overlooked. His arm was bionic…. that’s great news, that Alex is feeling that good… just a matter of rhythm at the plate, and a matter of time before he really goes off…..
Afternoon, all.
Which would be more enjoyable? A blow out win in Game 5 or to walk it off against the clown Valverde? I would rather have the blow out……but the walkoff sure would be satisfying……
There’s a big difference in comfort level between Hughes and Nova.
Nova has gotten progressively stronger in 2011. Hughes got progressively worse in 2010 and had innings issues.
I would love for AJ to pitch at home. I think the crowd would carry him & he would pitch a great game. But he’s the #4 pitcher in our rotation. Though I’ve always been a fan of his off speed (when he’s on), especially over garcia’s junk (no offense as he’s done a great job. But I love watching the nasty stuff more)…
Fact is the yanks have an order. Just stick with it & move on. Garcia doesn’t deserve to be bumped. Plus, game 6,7 would be all hands on deck regardless.
I give kudos to AJ. He hadn’t pitched in a long time. Was preparing for the bp, then was told he’d pitch on Tuesday and had to intensify/change his bp sessions to accommodate. He was rusty in the 1st, made in-game adjustments & attacked the zone to carry the team the rest of the way, while in enemy territory in a pressure filled game. He showed a lot of heart.
Yankees Game 4 marked the 21st time in franchise history the Yankees scored 10+ runs in a #postseason game. #BacktotheBronx
on another note – i am really enjoying anderson + darling + smoltz – their analysis has been spot on…especially smoltz on his pre-pitch analysis…
# yankeefeminista October 5th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Shame, I hate the Mets too for their petty territorial moves. However, the consolation prize is that we can see SWB play 12 games in LHV. Do you live in NJ? Even from NYC, it isn’t a bad trip.
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I am from Jerz, fem, so I’m not far at all… but Newark is basically in my backyard
Plus, I’m a big Devils fan. Anything thats good for the city is good for me and my team.
“Shame”less plug – There will be a Dinosaur BBQ opening up in Newark by early next year, right outside the Prudential Center. Anyone who has never frequented Dinosaur in Harlem, Syracuse, or Rochester should do so immediately. Some of the best BBQ I’ve ever had.
Warning Track Power October 5th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
A.J. has a role with this team next season.
At the worst AJ can assume the role as the #4 or #5 starter!!
The entire baseball universe knows AJ has flaws, but I don’t think the flaws are so bad that
he does not have a spot with the team.
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I can’t seem to get out of here… I agree. & though I felt AJ would have not a good but a great start last night, it wasn’t just hope or faith… anyone watch him pitch, lately? He had two excellent starts against Boston, for one thing…. that Fenway start was really good, and he had another good one at Yankee Stadium…. Randy’s right, AJ doesn’t choke… he may be a little nuts, but though that can sink him at times, it also serves him…
Not to get too psychological here, but AJ’s got the stuff to use that persecuted, outlaw thing to his advantage, and he did that last night. …There have been dramatic blips, but Rothschild & AJ have somewhere to go when things go south. ….
J. Al Pru
I’m with you in the make Joba a starter again camp, particularly with Rothschild here as the pitching coach but I doubt he’ll be ready by the start of spring training.
The Yanks should be clear that he’ll be rebuilt as a starter and send him down to AAA for as long as it takes to build him up and complete his development and return to being the dominant SP he was the second half of ’09 and at times in ’10.
At this point I think Brackman should be developed as a setup man/future closer as his skillset really plays up there and that progarm speeds up his ability to be an impact arm for the major league club.
“The Yanks should be clear that he’ll be rebuilt as a starter and send him down to AAA for as long as it takes to build him up and complete his development and return to being the dominant SP he was the second half of ’09 and at times in ’10.”
This…..they wont though
Primero- Buerhle if he leaves Chicago is either going to St. Louis or he’s going home.
Why in the hell would we sign Rich Harden knowing that he’s only going to make 12-15 starts?
champ, he’s ahead of schedule, I think someone said May, but you’re right they’ll have to prepare him right, get him built up properly.. I can’t see Rothschild, with his intelligence, letting the Yankees waste Chamberlain in the bullpen, especially as he fills a need… he’s not just an arm, as you know, he can be a dominant starter, as he was in 2008… The thing about Brackman is, if he can really stay glued, he also may not have the door completely shut on starting, either. I see him in the BP, too, but these guys are still young – what’s he, 25? – & they can find things & reach epiphanies no one can predict & the landscape changes…it’s fluid….
See you later folks.
I gotta say, Rich Harden’s 82 innings of 5.12 ERA ball make him a very appealing option…..
….for the Yankees offense when Boston signs him.
Going into last night, the Yankees suffered 5 or 6 consecutive losses when playing on
the road, during an elimination game.
A.J. saved the day with his brilliant pitching!
I think Phil will get one more crack at starting maybe half a year. After about the all star break, if he hadn’t shown sufficient progress, I thinkl he will be converted top a reliever. The thing iOS he has not shown an ability to develop and hold not onto secondary pitches. His curve is very inconsistent and forget the change. Plus, he hasn’t been able to stay healthy. I think coming into camp out of shape diod not help….I don’t think Phil has a lot of rope with the org. Anymore.
As pitching starved as the Red Sox were…..they wouldn’t even trade for Harden after looking at his medicals……
Job a is not going to start as a yankee
“Job a is not going to start as a yankee”
Probably not……but he should
Bases loaded with a 21 year old a rookie with not one post season at bat under his belt at the plate but still Leyland walks calmly out to the mound to change the pitcher because he knows the ramifications of what could happen if he leaves Coke in.
I wondered afterward if he would have pulled Coke if it was Jorge.
The word is out on Jesus. What a great game.
Ivan will deliver on Thursday.
I don’t know about you, but if we happen to beat AZ in 7 games this year, it would in no way compensate me emotionally for how Fate, that fickle witch, stole the 2001 Series from all of us and our children’s children’s children.
Anyone agree?
Triple Short of a Cycle October 5th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Why do people think Rich Harden is a good pitcher?
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He used to be but then he changed his mechanics to help stay healthy and has become just another average pitcher
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I wouldn’t call 10k/9 compared to 3.5bb/9 as just average. I wouldn’t want him at the front of the rotation, but he’s a solid option for the Yankees at the back of it.
A lot of it comes down to price – would I like to have Freddy back? Sure, but if he’s going to try to parlay this year into a 2 year deal at significant money I’m walking away.
Yankees Yankees are 31-13 when Derek Jeter has at least one RBI in a #postseason game. #BacktotheBronx
If AJ can dominate throughout the post season he can be moved in the off season. The market for starters after CJ Wilson is skeleton-thin. The scarcity of pitching this offseason really makes AJ more of a commodity than his performance reflects. Multiple teams (NL) will offer Freddy Garcia a two year deal and Colon can start for any team in the NL. Granted, the Yankees would have to eat some of AJ’s contract.
As for Joba, I see little incentive to keep him in the pen ever since Robertson emerged as an elite reliever. It’s Robertson who will be the next closer IMHO.
Blake, maybe …but its moot. It will be hard to make him astarter again by the time he becomes a free agent….I would imagine some team might take a shot.
blake October 5th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
“Job a is not going to start as a yankee”
Probably not……but he should
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Today’s not the day for it, but I do wonder what the future has in store for Joba with the Yankees.
He’s not going to close, he’s not going to start, and he’s not going to be a key late inning relief pitcher ahead of Soriano and Robertson – so is Joba’s best case scenario to come back in Luis Ayala’s role?
Burnett also wasn’t going to start in the playoffs, Soriano was going to be a complete bust, Jeter was done… the list goes on.
You just don’t know.
He’s not going to close, he’s not going to start, and he’s not going to be a key late inning relief pitcher ahead of Soriano and Robertson – so is Joba’s best case scenario to come back in Luis Ayala’s role?
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Joba is a better pitcher than Soriano
Four pitch repertoires don’t grow on trees; Joba is being wasted in the bullpen.
“As for Joba, I see little incentive to keep him in the pen ever since Robertson emerged as an elite reliever. It’s Robertson who will be the next closer IMHO.”
They don’t need a closer……they need a set up guy…..heck they don’t even need a 7thcloser inning guy.
The options are to make Joba the 4th RH short reliever or try him as a starter again…..pretty easy choice IMO as the value upside is much higher there.
If the market is that thin for SP, all the more reason to give Joba another shot.
I think this was a lost year for Phil, but he will be back better than ever next year. He has pitched better of late, and was on his way back before for the back issue.
I agree w/ D-rob being Mo’s eventual replacement.
Irreverent Discourse October 5th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Burnett also wasn’t going to start in the playoffs, Soriano was going to be a complete bust, Jeter was done… the list goes on.
You just don’t know.
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The Red Sox were the best team in baseball, Jacoby Ellsbury couldn’t play, Curtis Granderson was a platoon player, Bartolo Colon was only going to get a quick look in Spring Training….That’s baseball Suzyn.
One of the few days that I am watching Mike F. because I need to bask in the glory of our victory.
If Joba had stayed healthy this year Soriano would be the Sixth Inning Guy right now.
If they don’t give Joba another shot at the rotation I fully expect him to take Sori’s job next season.
Today?s not the day for it, but I do wonder what the future has in store for Joba with the Yankees.
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well, when Soriano decides it’s time for his DL stint next year, Joba can be #7thinningguy
LGY October 5th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
He’s not going to close, he’s not going to start, and he’s not going to be a key late inning relief pitcher ahead of Soriano and Robertson – so is Joba’s best case scenario to come back in Luis Ayala’s role?
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Joba is a better pitcher than Soriano
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Yes but Soriano makes a great deal more money than Joba…thus they will continue to use Soriano in the 7th or 8th.
And since Joba’s not better (at this point) than Robertson – that leaves Joba with the 6th.
LGY October 5th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
If Joba had stayed healthy this year Soriano would be the Sixth Inning Guy right now.
If they don’t give Joba another shot at the rotation I fully expect him to take Sori’s job next season.
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I think you’re 100% wrong on that. But we’ll never know.
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LGY,
I agree……my point was that they don’t need Joba in the pen though…..he obviously would make it even stronger but that’s a waste IMO…….id rather take the risk and see if he can start before they lose him to free agency and another team does it
Burnett also wasn’t going to start in the playoffs, Soriano was going to be a complete bust, Jeter was done… the list goes on.
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Soriano has already cost them one game
Man I’ve watched that Granderson catch in the 6th like 10 times, including once at 1/15th speed, and every time I’m still amazed. That was truly incredible.
blake
Completely agree.
Chip
Girardi didn’t let salary get in the way of DRob taking Sori’s job. Hopefully in a dream scenario Sori opts out and we don’t have to worry about it
Triple – The 5th run didn’t lose that game.
Triple Short of a Cycle October 5th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Burnett also wasn’t going to start in the playoffs, Soriano was going to be a complete bust, Jeter was done… the list goes on.
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Soriano has already cost them one game
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Be fair, Soriano gave up a HR to Delmon Young – so did CC in Game 1. It happens. He’s gone 3 innings and given up 1 hit. That’s not bad for any relief pitcher.
Job a was sure no automatic….we missed hiim to be sure, but no way I would ever think he would have been a mortal lock in the post season.
I don’t think job a or Hughes will be here after the become fryer agents
LGY October 5th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Chip
Girardi didn’t let salary get in the way of DRob taking Sori’s job. Hopefully in a dream scenario Sori opts out and we don’t have to worry about it
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In that same dream do the Mariners say they would happily trade Felix Hernandez for AJ Burnett?
Free agents
Why is Joba being spelled Job a???
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Betsy October 5th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
I don’t think job a or Hughes will be here after the become fryer agents
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It’s possible. Especially if Hughes can’t stay healthy for a complete year.
Triple – The 5th run didn’t lose that game.
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They lost 5-4
I still have no confidence in him. Even last night Granderson had to make an amazing catch or that would have been another key hit off of him. I would honestly rather see Wade in there
SEASONS COME N GO
BUT I WILL NEVER CHANGE
I’M ON MY WAAAYYYYY
OH OH OH OH
WRITTEN IN THE STARS
A MILLION MILES AWAY
OH OH OH OH
triple – if the umpire had a shred of a clue where the plate was, he never would have had to throw that pitch.
blake October 5th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
“As for Joba, I see little incentive to keep him in the pen ever since Robertson emerged as an elite reliever. It’s Robertson who will be the next closer IMHO.”
They don’t need a closer……they need a set up guy…..heck they don’t even need a 7thcloser inning guy.
The options are to make Joba the 4th RH short reliever or try him as a starter again…..pretty easy choice IMO as the value upside is much higher there.
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I agree 100%, Blake. The Yankees are wealthy in the pen and short in the rotation. So if the Yankees can get their hands on someone with starter experience and starter potential they should jump at it considering the slim pickings this offseason. They just rode a guy who hadn’t started in 2 years coming off a surgical procedure far less proven than Tommy John surgery. If the Yankees can bank on Bartolo Colon to be a starter, they can do the same for Justin Chamberlain.
He’s up for free agency soon.
If he emerges as a dominant starter before then, the Yankees will be more inclined to lock him up long-term. If the project stalls and his free agency arrives before he’s a competent starter then all that does is lower the value of his next contract if the Yankees decide to keep him. The Yankees could choose to keep him but it would be cheaper.
benfica356 October 5th, 2011 at 11:53 am
don’t have one hip
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Ben,
Well, then if it makes you feel better, I missed the first few innings last night because I was playing poker and just following it on my phone, and it cut my stress level down a lot because the game was shorter for me and I missed the tense first inning where it seems like everyone thought it was going to be a Bad AJ night.
So here’s to your stress level being lowered!
God afternoon, Kate, Erin, GB7, MTU, Shame, and JAP.
Great start by AJ last evening. Looking forward to game 5 and a Yankee victory!
RhapsodyInBlue October 5th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Bases loaded with a 21 year old a rookie with not one post season at bat under his belt at the plate but still Leyland walks calmly out to the mound to change the pitcher because he knows the ramifications of what could happen if he leaves Coke in.
I wondered afterward if he would have pulled Coke if it was Jorge.
The word is out on Jesus. What a great game.
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http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......d=19843351
So far, Grandy is the ALDS MVP……any non believers?
AJ on ‘thank you’ to coach
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......d=19843873
# yankeefeminista October 5th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Four pitch repertoires don’t grow on trees; Joba is being wasted in the bullpen.
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Yep wasted in the pen but he’s not starting for this franchise again.
Joba going down might have been a blessing in disguise, as well as the Soriano injury.
The emergence of DRob may never have happened.
Hi Comet!
@FakeJSterling John Sterling
Believe in AJ? You know what I believe in? That a 15 minute call to Geico will save me 15 % on my car insurance.
Chip, I think it is likely….in part because of health and in part because of performance. to be fair, the Yankees are the ones who kept Phil in the pen in 2009…had he remained a starter, he wouldnt have had those issues.
Excuse me Erin. I am using an I pad and I do not feel like making a ton of corrections
Seeing Peralta’s name reminded me of Martin’s two hits last night. Had that been Jeter who let them two grounders go under his glove we would have never heard the end of it.
Actually Jete made a nice play up the middle. So glad that all that range talk is behind us ( at least for now). I hope I didn’t just jinx him.
Innings issues that is
Joba has a long road of recovery ahead of him after the TJ surgery.
If he rehabs as a reliever, then he can return to dominance much faster.
Which is why I think the Yankees still consider Joba a pitcher out of the pen. Not a starter!
Girardi chose the perfect time to use Montero last night and look at what happened?
Are there still fans out there who believe Girardi is a “fool”???
Shame Spencer October 5th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
I am from Jerz, fem, so I’m not far at all… but Newark is basically in my backyard Plus, I’m a big Devils fan. Anything thats good for the city is good for me and my team.
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I too was bummed that Newark, the city, lost out on SWB not playing there. Always about helping Newark out. That being said, I will willingly take that ride out 78W to see SWB. At least Allentown is closer than Moosic.
Hi, Comet. Heckuva game last night!
Betsy-I just didn’t know if there was some new, hip way of spelling it, that’s all.
You know who looks pretty good in the pen….again.
Young Master Hughes.
How many times did Cash say how Joba’s stuff doesn’t translate to a starter’s role? What about Phil?
i have criticized some of joe g’s moves in this series so to be fair i have to say i thought he managed great last night. pushed all the right buttons.
mick October 5th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
So far, Grandy is the ALDS MVP……any non believers?
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Well me…but that’s because there is no ALDS MVP award.
Warning, how many TJS pitchers come back with a stronger arm than before TJS! Joba might yet be a SP because he becomes more durable. It isn’t so far-fetched.
Well me…but that’s because there is no ALDS MVP award.
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well now there is…
Sigh –
Joba a middling reliever
Hughes a back rotation starter who people prefer in the pen
Kennedy a nice NL pitcher enjoying a fantastic year.
Is there any doubt as to why I’m dubious about the next wave of “top pitching prospects?”
i have criticized some of joe g’s moves in this series so to be fair i have to say i thought he managed great last night. pushed all the right buttons.
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funny how that works when you win…
They’re doing it right this time Chip. I think.
mick October 5th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Well me…but that’s because there is no ALDS MVP award.
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well now there is…
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Comes down to Game 5 – Yankees win I could give it to Grandy, though if Nova pitches as well as he did in Game 1 it is his. Tiggers win and it’s Delmon Young’s.
hughes and soriano , even logan looked electric last night
we look like we are just warming up
arod seems to be coming to life
sometimes a veteran team just needs a little time…
Hey all. Miss you guys and gals!
Great game last night, and I see we’re already discussing next year’s pitching staff. SMH.
As far as I’m concerned, CC will opt out and be resigned to a contract extension.
Nova has earned a spot in the rotation.
Garcia has earned the right to a 1 year contract renewal, but could be offered a 2 year deal elsewhere.
Colon has proven that he’s capable of pitching well, but may be able to get a 1 year guaranteed contract from someone else, which the Yankees won’t offer. Not sure he’ll accept a 1 year incentive laden offer to remain. And I’m not sure you can find lightning in the same bottle twice.
Hughes has proved nothing to me other than the fact that he doesn’t believe in conditioning. He’s no CC, and even CC – who is our Ace and a horse – could use some additional conditioning to take some pressure off his knees. I think that contributed to some of his shaky starts this year.
And I keep AJ. Just ride the roller coaster.
That’s six potential starters. And as far as I’m concerned, Joba should get a shot at starting again, come ST, and so should Noesi. That would make seven. You can never have too many arms.
In the pen, I’d consider locking up both Wade and Ayala on a 1 year deal, and take a good hard look at the kid Valdes, to see if he could complement Logan.
Yankees have arms – there’s no doubt about it.
“i have criticized some of joe g’s moves in this series so to be fair i have to say i thought he managed great last night. pushed all the right buttons.”
He finally managed with some urgency….took an elimination game but he’s got to start treating every playoff game like its do or die…..win today always in October.
No Erin…..lol. It is annoying to type on this thing. Jeers, Phil kind of appears to be a reliever…the yanks probably didnt know he would have such issues with health and pitches. As to Joba, it was never about the number of pitches he had,but his stamina.He was not that good in 2009….though I think the Yankees should have given him another year, that would have meant another year in the pen for Hughes
DaSaint –
Welcome back.
The “kid Valdes” is 33 years old.
# Bronx Jeers October 5th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
You know who looks pretty good in the pen….again.
Young Master Hughes.
How many times did Cash say how Joba’s stuff doesn’t translate to a starter’s role? What about Phil?
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I remember those comments. He even went as far to say that Joba failed as a starter when he was given a shot.
Heading to lunch, enjoy!
Hi Comet
Hi Saint
Describing AJ as a roller coaster ride is fitting. I have to admit there were times I couldn’t watch him.
Chip, me too…..but they are individuals. Just because Joba and Phil haven’t worked out doesn’t mean the new kids wont
Betsy October 5th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Chip, me too…..but they are individuals. Just because Joba and Phil haven’t worked out doesn’t mean the new kids wont
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for different results.
The way I remember it, Joba was doing okay as a starter until they started jerking him around with the severe pitch counts, innings limits, three innings here, back and forth to the pen ridiculousness. Am I wrong about that?
If I’m Cashman, I talk with the Marlins about a high reward high risk guy in Josh Johnson. I think he could be had fairly cheaply considering his abilities this winter,
Chip, it isn’t the yanks fault that Hughes can’t seem to develop other pitches or that Joba was stubborn and had his own issues. At some point the players have to be accountable for their own careers
Speaking of Grandy, the Yanks athleticism is shining through. How many catchers make the slide that Martin made yesterday? Even the geezers are in good shape.
Win tomorrow and bring on the Texans. I want revenge on all the teams that beat them in the postseason over the last decade.
The halo’s have been crossed off. Detroit’s about to go down. The Nolan Ryan’s will hopefully be next. Then there’s Cleveland and of course the Sox. The NL teams may take some time but AZ is showing promise. Then there’s the fish but that could take a while. No matter, revenge is a dish best served cold.
when
LOL @ Betsy telling us that Phil and Joba havent worked out and that “Job a” wont start as a Yankee. Buffoon.
Giving up on 25 year old kids.
Joba just had TJS. The best time to have a guy transitioned back into a starter is after TJS, when their arm is stronger. TJS is actually a good thing
A SP staff of:
CC
Nova
AJ
Joba
Hughes
With fallbacks being:
Garcia
Colon
Noesi
& the kids
would be formidable.
As I mentioned above adding Josh Johnson to that mix would be awesome.
Hi everyone,
What a game last night!…my two cents on the present subjects:
On Joba: he should be tried as SP, he has 4 pitches and probably will be in the best shape of his life and will be very motivated. Having the BP we currently have, it ‘will a waste to have Joba as the 6th inning reliever “tm”.
On the next wave of pitching: Guys, the Yankees rushed the previous one, they are not rushing this one, like the Rays are doing and look at the results. In fact, don’t go and look another organization, just look at Nova, he spent his time in the minors under the radar, got a lot of minor league innings, by the time he came up he had no innings limit, and a fairly good repertoire that has become better with the addition of the slider.
On next years rotation: CC, Nova, Hughes/ Joba/Noesi/Garcia or Colon 5 or 4 guys fighting for three spots.
Jeers
The best part of that play was Martin almost catching Po.
I am not ready to write either Joba or Phil off. They are both MLB pitchers. Joba had a great start to the year before his surgery.
IPK has been mentioned for the NL Cy Young. He has developed into a good pitcher, even if he does pitch in the NL west, whatever that means. The Giants live in the NL west and their pitching won them the WS last year.
SEASONS COME N GO
BUT I WILL NEVER CHANGE
I’M ON MY WAAAYYYYY
OH OH OH OH
WRITTEN IN THE STARS
A MILLION MILES AWAY
OH OH OH OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
cant. stop. oh oh oh oh la la la la la im on my wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Chip,
Are you suggesting they not develop starting pitching and sign some more Carl Pavanos and AJ Burnetts because some of them may bust
Bronx Jeers @ 1:51 – I like the way you think.
Joe from Long Island October 5th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Bronx Jeers @ 1:51 – I like the way you think.
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Ditto
Joba would have been given another chance to start on many, many teams after the 2009 he had. But Phil looked to be ready for the next step and there wasn’t room for everybody. There were some coaching-attitude problems with Joba as well. Phil seemed more willing to be taught. Then he threw a few changes in ST and voila, he was the starter.
And Joba’s elbow gave out anyway and that was without withstanding the rigors of 200 innings.
IMO they’re going to give Phil another chance to win a spot. I’m not sure about Joba. I doubt it. It’s been a long time. I know people say that he should be stronger after TJS but that has nothing to do with his shoulder which was the original concern.
Thanks guys! Good to know they’re are other vengeance seeking evil mofo’s in here besides myself.
RayVT October 5th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
A SP staff of:
CC
Nova
AJ
Joba
Hughes
With fallbacks being:
Garcia
Colon
Noesi
& the kids
would be formidable.
As I mentioned above adding Josh Johnson to that mix would be awesome.
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Joba won’t be a starter or available when the season starts in 2012.
Best case: Joba will be ready to pitch in The Bronx around May or June.
That opening or availability leaves one of the vets or one of the kids.
million miles awayyyyyyyyy oh oh oh oh oh
24 hours to go
oh ! seasons come and go…
SEASONS COME N GO
BUT I WILL NEVER CHANGE
I’M ON MY WAAAYYYYY
OH OH OH OH
WRITTEN IN THE STARS
A MILLION MILES AWAY
OH OH OH OH
Hey there yankeefeminista. Good afternoon. And a good after noon to RayVT!
Go SuperNova. Let’s hope the bats are out tonight!
i will sing that song until we win the World Series