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Offday notes: “Is it a break? I don’t know.”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Oct 05, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

While Joe Girardi left no doubt that he expect CC Sabathia to be available out of the bullpen tomorrow, Tigers manager Jim Leyland said the exact opposite about his ace Justin Verlander. Leyland said Verlander will not be an available reliever for Game 5.

“That’s just the way it played out,” Leyland said. “I don’t think it’s disappointing. I’m thankful everybody got to see him. To be honest with you, our fans got to see that game that Verlander pitched. So it worked out pretty good. No problem.”

Of course, that’s easy for Leyland to say now. Hard not to wonder whether his opinion might change if he gets in a big spot tomorrow night. Regardless, it’s clear that Verlander’s impact on this series has been minimized.

“The one thing that you can’t predict is what would have happened in Game 1 if it was Verlander against CC,” Girardi said. “Who knows where we would have stood. So it is what it is. Is it a break? I don’t know, I really don’t, because we can’t go back in time and say what would have happened. ”

It’s interesting that the Yankees, at this point, are not changing plans. As mentioned earlier today, they’re sticking with the Game 5 starter that they planned to use all along. Yes, he’s a rookie, but Ivan Nova won 16 games this season and showed considerable postseason poise in Game 1.

“When I say he’s laid back, I don’t mean there’s not fire inside of him,” Girardi said. “His personality is just not loud. It’s not boisterous. It’s not real emotional. He’ll show a little emotion on the mound, but not a whole lot. I love this kid’s determination. His determination to get better. His determination to be a part of this staff. To never go down again. To win. That’s what I see. He’s a very hard worker, and it’s paid off.”

• Nova on whether he feels pressure for tomorrow’s game: “I don’t see the reason to feel pressure. It’s another game. Of course, it’s the most important game of the season now, but that’s the game that right now a lot of people are waiting for. Everybody, like my family, everybody wants to see that game. Everybody want to see me do a really good job. Like I always say, if you get nervous, you’re going to be in trouble, because you can’t control yourself. You can’t control what you got to do. I don’t see the reason why.”

• Girardi said everyone is available out of the bullpen tomorrow, even A.J. Burnett if things get really crazy. “A.J. would probably be the one guy you would have to be careful,” Girardi said. “But I would say in case of emergency he’s available, too.”

• Jorge Posada leads the Yankees in batting average, on-base percentage and walks through these first four games. “Jorge has been through this so many times in his career,” Girardi said. “And (he) understands the magnitude of each at-bat and how to approach each at-bat. That’s why we went with him.”

• Also making a big impact at the bottom of the Yankees order is Brett Gardner, who’s hitting .385 with some big hits in big spots. “I talked about that with my pitching coach this morning before we left,” Leyland said. “He’s done a great job. He’s been real pesky. I think sometimes you get through that big part of the order and all those big guys, and maybe you lose your concentration a little bit. He’s a bear-down guy. He’s a real hard-nosed player and everything. A real determined guy. We’re going to have to do a better job.”

• The middle of the Yankees order finally showed some signs of life last night when Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira and Nick Swisher all got hits during that big eighth inning. “When it’s the postseason, you’re supposed to get a hit every time,” Girardi said. “The superstars are supposed to do no wrong, and you’re supposed to be able to ride on their backs. But that’s not the way the game works… What happens is if you continue to have good at-bats, you’re going to get your hits.”

• Leyland said he has Max Scherzer available tomorrow night, but ultimately his bullpen will be a little thin. “I would like to get through this game tomorrow with Fister, Coke, if necessary, Benoit and Valverde,” Leyland said. “There’s no secret to that. That’s what we would like to get through the game with.”

• Leyland announced that Don Kelly will be the Tigers starter at third base tomorrow night. Kelly will be the Tigers third different starting third baseman this series. Leyland said he would like to to shift Kelly to right field for late-inning defense, with Brandon Inge taking over at third.

• Give the final word to Girardi about tomorrow’s must-win situation: “This is what we fought so hard for during the course of the season. You have two very good teams playing tomorrow night. Unfortunately, one of us is going to go home. And that’s the hard part about this game, because your season is going to end so abruptly, in a sense. But we’ve worked hard to get to this point. We feel good about our starter. They probably feel good about their starter. And time is going to tell.”

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175 Responses to “Offday notes: “Is it a break? I don’t know.””

  1. blake October 5th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    5-2 Cards….big homer by Freese

  2. JM October 5th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Whoa….go Cards! Would love to see a Carpenter-Halladay Game 5.

  3. luis October 5th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    I’m sure the Phillies didn’t envioned having to go to a game 5, sweet! ;)

  4. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    repost:

    Drat, Tank, I just wrote you a whole post and lost it.

    :(

    Maybe the baseball gods feel that I’ve been crowing about the sinking of the fenway titanic altogether too much. But nobody will EVER convince me that there weren’t greater forces at work. You framed it beautifully. How many times have you seen the turn of two games, both of which were critical to the other, turn on the final strike of the final out of the 9th inning????? It was breath-taking. I don’t remember screaming with uncontrollable laughter so much in my entire life. It was almost an out-of-body experience!

    By the way, I called it the Ortizian Karma episode.

    Last night was Gerry Davis karma, and tomorrow night is going to be Kenny Rogers karma. Yanks are on their way to the ALCS.

    I believe in fair play. I don’t believe in any team pulling nefarious crap without some comeuppance, just as I don’t believe in home plate umpires deciding the outcome of games without some “repercussions.”

    On top of it, I think that AJ has been castigated to a totally unfair point. Certainly he has brought fan skepticism upon himself this season, but for fans to have no faith in him whatsoever just points to the insecurity of fans. (I will say that a lot of posters here did think AJ was going to come through.) He’s a real good guy and a real good teammate. So I think the whole thing had to unfold the way it did, including AJ becoming the team’s savior – which he was.

    Order has been restored. Soriano pitched a beautiful 7th inning; Arod, Tex, and Martin all started hitting. Nothing else for recalcitrant fans to b*tch about – though I guarantee you one or two will try!

    It’s all soooooo good!

  5. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    LaRussa looks like he had a facelift, either that or he discovered the fountain of youth as soon as the Cards took the lead. Or is that his son managing? Definitely not the hideous wrinkled LaRussa of old!

  6. blake October 5th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    The Cards have played the Phillies very tough all season…..they get this to a game 5 then Carp will be on regular rest this time.

  7. GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Pat M. October 5th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
    GB….I’ve always been in your camp about Edwin Jackson…….Is her leg that hairy……..Cards are not going away, love to see them whack the Phillies

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Could we be watching the prelude to a ’64 rematch? That could really be an interesting series.

  8. Jeremy October 5th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    I hope the Phillies lose this series. It would be great to see the “Best pitching staff ever” “Phillies” fail like the “Best team ever” “Red Sox” did.

  9. Joe from Long Island October 5th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    One of the best pieces of wisdom I’ve ever heard – “A pitcher who loses his head loses the game.”

    That same piece of wisdom applies equally well to a lot of things, like my line of work.

    I think Nova gets his second post-season W.

  10. blake October 5th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Of the 2 preordained teams from this spring….the Sox didn’t even make the playoffs and the Phillies are getting all they can handle in the first round. Go Cards!

  11. luis October 5th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Joe,

    AMEN!!

    GB7,

    Talking about old grudges, beating the cards would be really sweet!!

  12. JM October 5th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Steve Jobs was only 56. Whether you liked the guy or not, he was certainly a visionary. RIP.

  13. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Just heard that Steve Jobs died. I thought he was pretty ill, and figured it was why he stepped down, but didn’t know he was that close to his final chapter. RIP

  14. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Jeremy, thinking the same thing. Can you imagine if the darlings of the NL were to be unseated by the Cards? Or the Brewers? So sweet.

    Joe from LI, agree about Nova. The kid is a young Mariano.

  15. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    RIP Steve Jobs.

  16. LGY October 5th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    RIP Steve Jobs. Only 56 but left a serious mark on the world in his time here.

  17. JM October 5th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    A Steve Jobs obit from CNN:

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/05/.....;hpt=hp_t1

  18. luis October 5th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    RIP to Steve Jobs….a visionary on his own right

  19. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Jeremy October 5th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    I hope the Phillies lose this series. It would be great to see the “Best pitching staff ever” “Phillies” fail like the “Best team ever” “Red Sox” did.
    ++++++

    I agree. When a team that hasn’t even thrown a pitch get labeled as the “best” by so many, I want to see them beaten.

    Cards have a decent lead and could tie the series for them with the Phillies. Cardinals were the one team with a winning record against the Phillies during the regular season.

    Plus, it would be pretty sweet if the Yankees made it to the big show while Cliffy Lee was making tee times. That would teach him not to count the Yankees out as “too old”. ;)

  20. Against All Odds October 5th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    R.I.P. Steve Jobs

  21. GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Josh Norris with more on the St. Louis Squirrel

    “jnorris427 Josh Norris
    Psh. Call me when @BuschSquirrel gets his own baseball card, like Yankee Stadium’s “Poley Walnuts.” http://lockerz.com/s/144690514

  22. Jeremy October 5th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Trisha

    Yeah a Cardinals and Brewers NLCS would be crazy. Both teams have good offenses, good pitching, and a rivalry after the Nyjer Morgan incident.

    Also RIP Steve Jobs, and I didn’t post after last nights game but kudos to A.J., Granderson, and the middle of the lineup.

  23. Pat M. October 5th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Doc Joe……Just think about this , Ivan Nova is the starting pitcher for Game 5 of the ALDS !!! And we’re all confident about this…….He’s come a long way from being just a once thru the lineup guy …..This situation plays right into the Yanks strength, the bullpen…..Ivan gets into the 7th or so and it looks real good for us…..

  24. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    glad to see ya back Pat M.

  25. GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    That’s about the 6th balk called in the post season this year.

  26. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    They don’t like you in the AM Trish?
    That’s a shame…

  27. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    Yeah the umps can’t get balls and strikes right, but they sure know those balks!

  28. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    sorry about your dog, doc joe.

  29. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Nice play by Theriot to keep the runner from advancing.

  30. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    mick, while I can’t prove they don’t like me, let’s just say they weren’t at all conversant when I posted this morning. Maybe they had nothing to say about it! I’m sure it’s a group of very fine people! Anyway, I do like the familiarity of the late afternoon/night crowd.

  31. Doug Fister is 8-1 with a 1.79 ERA -- with Detroit October 5th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    Those Billions and Billions, and Trillions and Trillions of gold coins couldn’t save you, Steve?

    That’s a shame.

  32. GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    There should have been a balk called on Phil (Classic) Coke every pitch he threw with a runner on. The only way he gets away with that shoulder shrug before he pitches is if the umpires are told and convinced that it’s part of his normal motion. It wasn’t when he was a Yankee.

  33. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Tough play to make, he is lucky that the toss didn’t hit the batter and cause more problems for the Cards.

    Big moment in this game. Pence is tough. A DP here would be big.

  34. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    One of the best pieces of wisdom I’ve ever heard – “A pitcher who loses his head loses the game.”
    ===========================
    Nova is like a young Yoda.
    Wise beyond his years.
    I hear AJ has helped him alot, too bad Nova can’t seem to help him.
    Maybe some of it sunk in last night.

  35. luis October 5th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    WOW!!, that’s over the line….nobody should make fun of someone else’s death

  36. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Ugg. Not a good time to bounce one and have it get away. Phillies get a gift run.

  37. GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Molina has really been sloppy behind the plate the last few games.

  38. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Howard up. BIG spot here. Smart to make a pitching change.

  39. JM October 5th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Joba_62 Update for y’all. Meet with Dr. Andrews today and everything is looking great and ahead of schedule. Playing catch from 45ft Friday!

  40. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Tough hop but he should have blocked that. I agree GB that he hasn’t been looking Molina like lately. Unusual for the Molina Brothers.

  41. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Like these Capt Morgan ads.
    Whatever happened to the most interesting man on the planet?

  42. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    luis, isn’t it funny? I just read Steve Job’s obit and took this line out of it, something he said when he addressed a Stanford University graduation:

    “You have to trust in something: your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever.”

    And then I read the nitwit’s post.

    Oh well.

  43. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    trish, that am crowd is a tough one…

  44. LGY October 5th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Whatever happened to the most interesting man on the planet?

    —–

    He’s out eating gelato

  45. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    I wonder which is feeling more pressure, Alphabet pitcher or Howard.

    I guess Howard, ends the threat.

  46. blake October 5th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Ryan Howard fail….still can’t hit a breaking ball from a lefty

  47. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    what is it about gelato?

  48. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    It’s all good though, mick, because I’m not typically a day-time poster. So it works for me.

  49. JM October 5th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    Here you go, mick:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bc0WjTT0Ps

    stay thirsty, my friends.

  50. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    JM

    not a big fan but i do like the capt morgan…good music, creative and absurd

  51. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    what is it about gelato?
    ++++
    It’s very tasty! Better than Ice Cream, IMNTBHO. ;)

  52. LGY October 5th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    What do ya mean mick?

  53. luis October 5th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Trisha,

    It is ironic…..but it tells you what kind of human being this guy is, and why everything seems to turn against him.

    back to baseball…..

  54. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    pollyanna, sorry trish, you seem to have had a good influence on some non believers, keep up the good work

  55. Pat M. October 5th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    I’m very much over the constant lead in music reminding about how seasons come and go…….Breakfast with Tricia ” has a nice ring to it……..Ever since Doreen , Erica and the breakfast club left, the mornings haven’t been the same….Hell even GB was kind and cordial back then. What did the Phillies give up for Hunter Pence

  56. JM October 5th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    yeah, the capt. morgan ones are pretty good.

  57. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    LGY, nick and his gelato…whatever happened to in and out or those chinese restaurants he speaks of?

  58. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    So, will the Brew Crew close it out tonight or will we see it go to another 5 game series?

    Brewers are tough, but Arizona has been surprising this year. I think the Brewers will take the series, overall, but it would be nice to see it pushed to the full 5 games.

  59. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    pat m, does your computer only send and not receive messages?

  60. LGY October 5th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    It’s good stuff mick!

  61. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    LGY, nick and his gelato…whatever happened to in and out or those chinese restaurants he speaks of?
    +++++++++
    Those others are just food, but gelato is dessert!

  62. JM October 5th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Phillies gave up a RHP, Cosart, for Pence. Not sure what else.

  63. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    have to try my local supermarket for a gelato treat.

  64. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    maybe they can open a gelato stand at NYS.

  65. JM October 5th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    c’mon Cards, close it out….

  66. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Can the Cards hold out for three more outs?

  67. GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Pat, houston gor a 10th and 38th round pair of pitchers and Jonathon singleton, an 8th round outfielder. nothing the Yankees couldn’t have matched.

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    “Hell even GB was kind and cordial back then”

    :)

    mick, I think you are the most amazing success story of all. And I mean that with my heart and soul. If only others could take your lead, or would take your lead.

  69. Benny Blanco October 5th, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    Motte throwing Gas!

  70. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    Happy this is the only game tonight. It is isn’t it? I swear I was so happy to have a day without baseball!

  71. Nilsson October 5th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    This Motte is interesting. Short-armer in upper 90s.

  72. GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Philles also sent a 19 year old outfielder to Houston

  73. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Hey, Motte was on my fantasy team at the end of the season!

  74. JM October 5th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    trish,

    milwaukee-arizona is on next.

  75. m October 5th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    The NEW Cpt. Morgan ads are great. The ones with the losers in the bar posing like Cpt. Morgan were bad.

    I really like the Fosters beer commercials. They’re so matter of fact.

  76. RalphieD October 5th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    huge win for the Cards..

  77. blake October 5th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    yes!

  78. luis October 5th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    CARDS win!!!!!!

  79. LGY October 5th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    Motte throwing grenades.

  80. JM October 5th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    Go Cards! Game 5!

  81. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    Hmph, not sure I ever noticed gelato in a supermarket. Not that I really looked for it there.

    Gelato is lower in butterfat than ice cream, but is higher in sugar content.

    And the Cards push it to another game. That last out looked like the out that Crawford failed on.

  82. Benny Blanco October 5th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    Philllies on the brink on the elimination!

  83. blake October 5th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    Carpenter/Halladay game 5….pretty cool

  84. luis October 5th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    FOSTERS australian for beer!!, i do like it

  85. Bronx Jeers October 5th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    Ah but I hear there is a secret meeting of the lohud breakfast club. Maybe not all members have returned but some still operate under the cover of night.

  86. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    m, I can’t tell you how many people would do that silly Capt. Morgan pose in bars around here. I don’t get it.

    I like the Foster’s ads too. Wireless! lol. Right to the point.

    I liked the Guiness ads, “Brilliant!”

  87. blake October 5th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    LGY,

    Wonder if the phils were a little over confident in not pitching Halladay on 3 days….knowing that they’d still have Lee for game 5…..Oswalt is still a pretty good pitcher but he’s not really on the same level as the other 3 anymore.

    The Cards might just win this thing…

  88. JM October 5th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    The Cards have a shot….All the pressure on the Phillies

  89. Yank1 October 5th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Baseball has to be thrilled… they get a game 5 in the two most high-profile series that they have.

  90. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Benny Blanco October 5th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    Philllies on the brink on the elimination!
    ++++++++++++
    LOL.

    I bet no one puts that up as a headline though.

  91. Gary October 5th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Just saw a news story that the Cubs want to talk to Theo, Sox haven’t given permission yet. Maybe it is old news here.

    Off topic but for those that work in the field or have worked in the field very sad news that Steven Jobs has passed. One of the century’s greatest inovators and much we owe him for these little things we are typing on right now. Obvious by the pictures over the past few years that he has suffered greatly, hopefully he has now found his peace.

  92. Curt Schilling was a steroid user October 5th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    yeah, keep up the good work trish

  93. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Oh no, I definitely want to watch Milwaukee beat Arizona!

    Damn. I thought I’d escape it for just one day. Well I have 45 minutes of freedome. See ya back for the Brewers game!

    GO BREWERS!!!

  94. luis October 5th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Blake,

    AMEN!!

  95. Curt Schilling was a steroid user October 5th, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Must be nice for the Phils that they were able to acquire Halladays and Oswalts and Pences for nothing. Thats how they were able to form their unbeatable rotation. Hopefully, the Yanks win tomorrow and the Phils get ousted on Friday; that’ll clear the way for the Yanks!

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Uh yeah. There’s a reporter in the midst…

  97. Gary October 5th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Link to the Theo story

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ein-100411

  98. blake October 5th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    The Phillies aren’t a great offense…..the Mets scored more runs than they did this year…..their pitching carries them and in the postseason when other teams are pitching their best guys and going all out with their bullpens then it shows sometimes.

  99. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    I really like the Fosters beer commercials. They’re so matter of fact.
    ==========================================
    might have to try one.

  100. blake October 5th, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    the Phillies have 3 great starters, a middling offense and a middling bullpen.

  101. Yank1 October 5th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    “Must be nice for the Phils that they were able to acquire Halladays and Oswalts and Pences for nothing”

    Ed Wade to the Phillies is like Jed Hoyer to the Sox.

    Thankfully the Pads/Astros don’t really have any other good players left or else the Sox/Phillies can get whatever they need from them.

    Yet Kevin Towers has gifted us what exactly? If we want Joe Saunders, he will probably ask for Montero and Nova.

  102. blake October 5th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Towers is winning divisions…..

  103. GreenBeret7 October 5th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Motte has the same delivery as troy Percival. They throw like catchers, because they were.

  104. ET October 5th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Had they signed Lee last winter, the Yankees would have an ace-level starter under contract and not feel the need to do anything possible to keep CC Sabathia when he opts out of his contract after the World Series.

    But in the worst possible combination, the Yankees failed to land Lee despite making a seven-year, $146 million offer that creates a benchmark that the Sabathia camp will probably demand be matched — at the least.

    Those two factors provide the backdrop for the Yankees’ biggest issue of the offseason. If they don’t retain Sabathia, then who does this win-now team use as its ace in 2012? But to retain Sabathia, the Yankees may have to go to contract lengths that make even them squeamish; especially because of how Sabathia has looked both on the field and in his uniform late this season.

    He has four years at $92 million left on his contract. In the past, he had said he had no intentions of invoking his right to leave. But, beginning in spring training, Sabathia stopped saying that and his non-answers since suggest both that he will opt out — and, of course — the belief that he can do much better than four years at $92 million.

    However, in his final 10 starts of the regular season, Sabathia had a 4.06 ERA and a .316 batting average against. He then did not distinguish himself in Monday night’s Game 3 either. No pitcher has thrown more innings the past five years than Sabathia. Plus, after losing weight for spring training, Sabathia seemed to put it all back and more during the season — a troubling sign since this was a walk year and, generally in walk years, players get in the best shape possible.

    His bulk of innings and body would make even the remaining four years worrisome. One Yankee official said of Sabathia, “he’s got a troublesome body.”

    When asked directly yesterday about Sabathia’s size, Yankees GM Brian Cashman said, “I don’t think this is the right time to talk about this stuff.”

    Asked generally if he was worried about Sabathia’s late-season fade, Cashman said, “No, I don’t look at two months, especially since there were factors like we were using a six-man rotation. He’s one of the better pitchers in the game. I hope he stays, but really it is a conversation for another day.”

    Sabathia’s agents certainly see the landscape, plus they know what the Yankees were willing to do for Lee as a 32-year-old last offseason. Sabathia is 31 now and could rightfully claim he is younger and — as opposed to Lee — has already helped the Yankees win a World Series, so he deserves no less than seven years at $146 million.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1ZwxXmacV

  105. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    part of me wants the phillies but we have beaten them already
    lee would be tough
    cant help but root for the cards

  106. luis October 5th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    What about the Capt Morgan’s designated driver comercial?? it’s hilarious and the field of dreams comercials…the one where Rollie Fingers takes out the mustage to give it to the pepsi kid??

  107. JM October 5th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    Gary,

    I saw that story about Theo. I wonder if they Red Sox will let him talk to the Cubbies. I also wonder if he’d be interested….

  108. ET October 5th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    mick,

    Me too.

    Do we really want to win the WS by beating the Brewers???

    At least give me a team like the Cards/Phils.

  109. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    I really like the Fosters beer commercials. They’re so matter of fact.
    ==========================================
    might have to try one.
    ++++++++++

    Another thing that is very tasty!

  110. Bronx Jeers October 5th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    Phillies-Cards is tough because on the one hand there’s LaRussa but the Phil’s and their fans are horrendous. Brewers- Snakes is easier because of 2001.

    My wife saw Ryan Braun on TV yesterday and asked what’s wrong with his eyes.

    http://www.zimbio.com/pictures.....Ryan+Braun

  111. blake October 5th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    Sherman is making a bigger deal out of the CC thing than it is……

  112. Bronx Jeers October 5th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    Do we really want to win the WS by beating the Brewers???

    ———————-

    Why not? We beat the Padres and that still felt pretty good.

  113. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    JM October 5th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    Gary,

    I saw that story about Theo. I wonder if they Red Sox will let him talk to the Cubbies. I also wonder if he’d be interested….
    ++++++++
    The RS might allow it. Henry is talking about changes needed, and might figure Theo is part of the change needed.

    I read somewhere that Theo would be interested. Not sure if it was speculation or his real thoughts on it.

    It would be a good time for Theo to leave, he would have a few years to rebuild the Cubs.

  114. tomingeorgia October 5th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    All you optimistic people, keep it up! I’m with you. As for Fosters, try Victoria Bitters instead.

  115. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    i dont like the no name teams as they seem to beat us
    marlins and dbacks
    brewers would fit that mold

  116. mick October 5th, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Why not? We beat the Padres and that still felt pretty good.
    ====================================
    Not as good as the 96 Braves.

  117. Curt Schilling was a steroid user October 5th, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    I thought Kevin Towers might help us since he worked for us, albeit for a short time.

    Here’s a thought and/or prediction, if Theo leaves the Red Sox, it wouldnt surprise me for Hoyer to return to the Red Sox for the GM job. Obviously, Hoyer is a bum just like Theo, but it should, but wont, cement Hoyer’s legacy as nothing more than a Red Sox plant in the Padres organization to give them Gonzo.

    I still cant understand how its not mentioned repeatedly that the Padres didnt even shop Gonzo to any other team, Hoyer just set his sights solely on the Red Sox and made the deal happen, for absolute losers.

  118. Gary October 5th, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    His bulk of innings and body would make even the remaining four years worrisome. One Yankee official said of Sabathia, “he’s got a troublesome body.”

    When asked directly yesterday about Sabathia’s size, Yankees GM Brian Cashman said, “I don’t think this is the right time to talk about this stuff.”

    Asked generally if he was worried about Sabathia’s late-season fade, Cashman said, “No, I don’t look at two months, especially since there were factors like we were using a six-man rotation. He’s one of the better pitchers in the game. I hope he stays, but really it is a conversation for another day.”

    Sabathia’s agents certainly see the landscape, plus they know what the Yankees were willing to do for Lee as a 32-year-old last offseason. Sabathia is 31 now and could rightfully claim he is younger and — as opposed to Lee — has already helped the Yankees win a World Series, so he deserves no less than seven years at $146 million.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Makes you want to throwup already, one can only wonder what gets said and how long the soap opera goes on. Almost can’t wait for the sides to divide and take their positions. The we need him and we should pay to keep him, vrs the let him walk we have plenty of young talent coming up and it’s too much and to long to pay for a 31 year old. I can only hope it doesn’t go on for weeks and weeks like the Cliff Lee rope a dope did.

  119. m October 5th, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Winning one is winning one. I don’t care who it is, as long as we win one.

  120. mick October 5th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    charlie manuel talking about the squirrel=priceless

  121. JM October 5th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    I don’t care who we play if we could get to the WS…..

    As for Theo, if by some miracle he could bring a championship to Chicago he would be a baseball god….but that franchise is a long way away. Still, they have lots of cash and would have fairly low expectations at least at first. And Chicago’s a great city….Might be tempting.

  122. mick October 5th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    are the cards this good?
    besides pujols, holliday and berkman, never heard of them

  123. mick October 5th, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    george harrison special on hbo now…

  124. Pat M. October 5th, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    mick….I recieve e-mails as well…

  125. JM October 5th, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    thanks mick.

    forgot about that special. supposed to be very good.

  126. ET October 5th, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    Curt,

    If Theo goes to the Cubs – Starlin Castro, Giovanny Soto, and Marlon Byrd for Lackey’s contact, Kyle Weiland, Anthony Reunado, and Lars Anderson.

  127. Gary October 5th, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    JM October 5th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
    I don’t care who we play if we could get to the WS…..

    As for Theo, if by some miracle he could bring a championship to Chicago he would be a baseball god….but that franchise is a long way away. Still, they have lots of cash and would have fairly low expectations at least at first. And Chicago’s a great city….Might be tempting.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    For sure Hollywood is waiting. Expect the Movie out about a year later is either the Cubs or Sox’s win it at some point.

  128. Bronx Jeers October 5th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    Sherman talks about 5/$125MM which seems right on the money IMO. Just not sure which team would go 6 or more years. Nobody really did last time except the Yanks and that was 3 seasons ago.

    There is a lot of mileage on that arm.

  129. Gary October 5th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    mick October 5th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
    george harrison special on hbo now…

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    The silent Beatle? The most talented Beatle? Loved the guy and his music, he left us too soon.

  130. JM October 5th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    Theo reforms the “loveable loser” Cubs…..

  131. Jeremy October 5th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    I could care less about who the yankees face if the Yankees make it to the WS. This team was supposed to finish third in the division according to the experts because the Best Team ever was going to win hands down.

    If the Yankees get there I will be happy and unlike the 2001 D Backs and 2003 Marlins the Brewers don’t have a Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, or Josh Beckett type pitcher. The Yankees have faced Grainke, Marcum, and Wolf before and thise guys are not on the level of the pitchers I mentioned earlier.

  132. mick October 5th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    all things must pass…

  133. pat October 5th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    Francona in the FOX booth for a few games with Buck while McCarver is on medical leave will be a nice change.

  134. mick October 5th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    buck and timmy are lethal yankee haters…i doubt tito would join that trashfest

  135. Gary October 5th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    Bronx Jeers October 5th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
    Sherman talks about 5/$125MM which seems right on the money IMO. Just not sure which team would go 6 or more years. Nobody really did last time except the Yanks and that was 3 seasons ago.

    There is a lot of mileage on that arm.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Don’t know if anyone watches Storage Wars, but it’s the game they all play now. Your not interested, but bid it up so the other guy has less cash to compete on other players. Hard to see the Yanks dropping out of a bidding war on CC. I’m sure there will be those that are in for the games just to see what will happen and what they can gain out of it.

  136. mick October 5th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Grainke, Marcum, and Wolf
    ==================
    don’t forget gallardo

  137. Abomb82 October 5th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    It depends on how much CC wants to milk us or how far his agents want to take it.

    His agents might float the rumors that he will take less to go to the West Coast like they did in 2008 just to get the Yanks to pony up more.

    it’s up to CC really. He can make this as clean or dirty as he chooses to. If he leaves it all to his agent and hides behind them, then this will probably get very murky. If he is willing to compromise and makes it clear that he doesn’t want to leave or damage the relationship, then things will go smoother because Cash knows he has extend him anyway, it’s just a matter of how much.

  138. Jeremy October 5th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Curt Schilling was a steriod user

    I have to agree, It was so obvious that Hoyer was a lackey for the Red Sox because he delivered A Gon on a silver platter to the Red Sox. The thing is that I hear everyone talk about prospects they get in trades like the Mets when they traded Carlos Beltran but I never hear about Rizzo and Casey Kelly and the rest of the loser prospects the Sox always ship off.

  139. Gary October 5th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Abomb82 October 5th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
    It depends on how much CC wants to milk us or how far his agents want to take it.

    His agents might float the rumors that he will take less to go to the West Coast like they did in 2008 just to get the Yanks to pony up more.

    it’s up to CC really. He can make this as clean or dirty as he chooses to. If he leaves it all to his agent and hides behind them, then this will probably get very murky. If he is willing to compromise and makes it clear that he doesn’t want to leave or damage the relationship, then things will go smoother because Cash knows he has extend him anyway, it’s just a matter of how much.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Wonder how much he talks to ARod, fired his agent and said lets just get it done.

  140. mick October 5th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    why is refresh so slow?……moment’s silence for Steve Jobs?

  141. mick October 5th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Grainke, Marcum, and Wolf
    ==================
    don’t forget gallardo
    ===================
    or gelato.

  142. Yogi Mantle October 5th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Gary October 5th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    mick October 5th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
    george harrison special on hbo now…

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    The silent Beatle? The most talented Beatle? Loved the guy and his music, he left us too soon.
    +++++++++

    George was a very talented musician, and a good songwriter. The amount of talent that were the Beatles was pretty amazing. George would have shined with any group, but trying to shine in the light of McCartney and Lennon was tough.

    Really enjoyed his being a part of the Traveling Wilburys, as well as his solo career.

  143. Jeremy October 5th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Mick
    Thanks ! How could I forget about Gallardo.

  144. Bronx Jeers October 5th, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    Wonder how much he talks to ARod, fired his agent and said lets just get it done.

    ———

    Are you talking about Arod firing Scott Boras?

  145. mick October 5th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Fielder at the Stadium would be hilarious.
    The chants of Cecilllllll, Cecillllllllllll…..these fans are not hip enough to know his daddy………but Prince would be trying to hit one out of the Stadium each AB.

  146. Curt Schilling was a steroid user October 5th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    ET, I think you’re overdoing it. No way the Red Sox have to give up Ranaudo and his 175 mph fastball! LOL

    Jeremy, that’s just the way it is. And thats the reason why everything the Yankees do is that much more spectacular. Because Brian Cashman cant get gifted anything. I get angry at Cashman a lot, mainly for running his mouth and displaying arrogance (like by saying he drove the Crawford price this past offseason), but he does the best he can with what he’s given.

    And people who claim that the Yankees buy World Series or bought the 2009 World Series, they can look to the 2010 and 2011 Red Sox as examples why there is no such thing “Buying the World Series”

    Honestly, the more money you spend on your team, the better chance you give your team of making the playoffs and getting a chance in the crapshoot playoffs to win the title. But even the 2011 Red Sox cant boast that, as they bought Gonzo and CC for a long-term price of near $300 million and achieved nothing but the greatest collapse in baseball history.

  147. UnKnown October 5th, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    I am worried about everyone being a little too over confident about tomorrow’s game. We were supposed to win Game 2 also and didn’t.

    I don’t want to bring the aura down, but were going to have to play really well tomorrow to win and advance.

    Am I crazy for worrying about tomorrow’s game?

  148. Gary October 5th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    mick October 5th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
    all things must pass…

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Great song. I actually saw him do it on TV spontaneously on his final appearance when he knew he was dying. I found a u tube video of it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-l1y0gnSnI

  149. UnKnown October 5th, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    Fister says that tomorrow’s game is no bigger than any other game they have played this year?

    Is that dude serious?

    I like Nova’s approach of thinking its the biggest game he has ever pitched.

    I mean no sense in denying it right by speaking foolishly to the media and telling them that it’s not a Huge Huge game.

  150. UnKnown October 5th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    Eck hyping up Fister on the pregame right now before the Brewers vs. DBacks game.

    Typical…

  151. Curt Schilling was a steroid user October 5th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    UnKnown,

    No, youre not crazy for worrying. No game, no playoff game, and especially no game for the New York Yankees is in the bag. Ever.

    When the likes of a fat drunk steroid enhanced turd like Miguel Cabrera can max effort against the Yankees and put a team on his back, nothing is guaranteed. Nothing is ever guaranteed anyway.

  152. luis October 5th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Unknown,

    To complement what curt just said….luck has a lot to do as well, so is natural to be nervous.

  153. DocTodd October 5th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Somebody tell Eck’s hair that it’s no longer 1979……

  154. Curt Schilling was a steroid user October 5th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Luis,

    Yes. Luck does have a lot to do with it. And of course, UMPIRES!

  155. Nilsson October 5th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    Nothing is guaranteed, but sometimes it does seem like baseball karma plays a role in postseason.

    The Gerry Davis game and the wrong jump on the ball by Granderson in the first inning could have ended the season. But it didn’t. Perhaps Trisha is right. This is payback for Kenny Rogers.

  156. DocTodd October 5th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Sox forum is funny…someone wrote the Sox should receive Garza as compensation if Theo goes to Cubs..

  157. UnKnown October 5th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Braun is really really good.

  158. luis October 5th, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    Curt,

    They certainly helped Verlander an the Tigers….

  159. luis October 5th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Guys,

    I don’t know about you, but i am starting to think that this season is magical….

  160. Curt Schilling was a steroid user October 5th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    I’ve already thought that the Red Sox will target Garza in the offseason, and of course, receive him for nothing.

  161. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    “Am I crazy for worrying about tomorrow’s game?”

    Absolutely and unequivocally. Unless you believe the Tigers are a better team than the Yankees are – which they are not.

    Who told you we were supposed to win game 2? Karma was in force and so things played out the way they did.

    Without even believing in karma, I couldn’t begin to sweat a game betwen Fister and Nova.

    But that’s me.

    Worry is a needless emotion. Enjoyment, however, enhances the being. I wish we had mick’s post about not worrying about winning or losing but just enjoying the experience. It was perfect.

  162. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    However, to go back to answering your question, yes your are crazy for worrying about tomorrow’s game.

    I see it as sure a thing as ever there was. Perhaps you can draw of the vision of the titans who played last night, and their 10 runs – or whatever it was. The you might want to remember who we have on the mound, you know the kid who hasn’t lost a game since June and who pitches in the toughest division in the majors?

    It’s all good I tell ya!

    :)

  163. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    Perhaps you can draw on the vision of the titans, not of the vision.

  164. luis October 5th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Trisha,

    I think what Unknown meant that he/she read some over the top confidence post, that might undo everything, i just told him/her that it’s ok to feel nervous, it’s natural, but defeated before the game is even played, NEVER!!

  165. Abomb82 October 5th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    “I’ve already thought that the Red Sox will target Garza in the offseason, and of course, receive him for nothing.”

    If Theo goes to the Sox, the Cubs will become the Sox farm team and anything is possible.

    Theo is still a born n’ bred wealthy, elite New Englander at heart and that won’t change in the mid-west. He will do what he has to in order to keep the Sox relevant.

  166. luis October 5th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    trisha,

    For those posst, it is that you are esential to this blog!! ;)

  167. Yank1 October 5th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Watching Schilling on BBTN this season, it is amazing how much he has let himself go. He has basically become Pete Abe except uglier and with longer hair lol

  168. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    luis, I didn’t see your answer to Unknown. I just saw Unknown’s question. I kind of skim the posts when I come back on.

    When I saw that post I thought to myself that was the reason I was meant to come back on, to give a Pollyana response to that question. It was karma. :)

    However, if reading a positive post can make even one person feel better about the upcoming game, then it makes me feel good.

    I’m not nervous about tomorow’s game, but then I wasn’t nervous about AJ’s game, and that was certainly more of an uncertain bet.

    And the other thing is this. I adjust well no matter the situation. Again, mick made a post the other night that I thought was really powerful, about the way he is processing this postseason. If I can find it I will post it. And I a definitely with him.

    If the Yankee’s season were to end tomorrow, I’d be fine with it (not that I’d want it to end that way) and would have enjoyed and appreciated all the great moments and games the Yanks provided me with this season and postseason. And that’s the truth.

    HOWEVER – it isn’t going to end tomorrow. HERE #28! COME ON!! COME ON!!!!

    :)

  169. 4 NYY October 5th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    However, to go back to answering your question, yes your are crazy for worrying about tomorrow’s game.

    I see it as sure a thing as ever there was. Perhaps you can draw of the vision of the titans who played last night, and their 10 runs – or whatever it was. The you might want to remember who we have on the mound, you know the kid who hasn’t lost a game since June and who pitches in the toughest division in the majors?

    It’s all good I tell ya!

    :)
    ===========================================

    Trisha, I love ya’ but don’t count your chickens before they hatch. I don’t count mine until they’re in the pan ! LOL

  170. Duh Innings October 5th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    If the Yanks win tomorrow night, anyone think the ALCS rotation will be Sabathia/Burnett/Nova/Sabathia/Burnett/Nova/Sabathia? Sabathia pitched 10/3 so he would start Game 1 on normal rest 10/8. Burnett started 10/4 so he would start Game 2 on normal rest 10/9. Nova will pitch tomorrow 10/6 so he would pitch on short rest 10/10. Or will it be Garcia/Burnett/Sabathia/Nova/Garcia or Colon if Garcia isn’t good enough in Game 1 to start Game 4/Burnett/Sabathia and all hands on deck including Nova save Burnett if needed?

  171. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    Well, I was just given the release not to watch tonight’s Brewer’s game – or maybe just to check in for updates. Interesting that 3 out of 4 series appear to be going to game 5 – meaning it looks like tonight is the DBack’s night, though anything is possible.

  172. Curt Schilling was a steroid user October 5th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    You cant be an uglier human being, on the inside or outside, than Pete Abe. Not even Im an uglier human being, on the inside, than Pete Abe, and thats saying something. I

  173. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    4 NYY – my dad had this saying: “You jig your way and I’ll jig mine.”

    ;)

    I counted my chickens for AJ’s game and ended up none the worse for the wear. I’m counting my chickens for tomorrow’s game. BUT, I’m doing it based on something more scientific than hope – the difference in the two teams, at least from my perspective.

  174. luis October 5th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Trisha,

    Again, incredible post!, take care and have a good night!!

    Had a weird off day , but tomorrow have to work, enjoy the rest of the evening

  175. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 5th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    luis, fist bumps! See you tomorrow in time for the game!

    :)

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