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LGY, of course you know there’s a difference between being dumped in the New York spotlight and playing in the most bucolic city for sports – St. Louis.
“Get creative with the arms we already have here”
Given the use the Yanks made of Warren, Mitchell and Phelps this year, I don’t think that’s likely to happen.
This is the first post season loss that I can remember where I pitching was actually good.
When was the last time that happened?
As long as we are willing to give up Montero, we should have a pretty good chance at finding the #2 that we desperately need.
Get a #2 and hope Nova continues to progress and Hughes pitches like he is capable of. If that happens, the rotation would be very good. Also allows for insurance incase Nova proves to be a 1 yr wonder and Hughes doesn’t bounce back or continues to be injury prone.
The Yankees can’t continue to rely on lightening in a bottle and the like for their rotation. They got very fortunate this year. They would be wise not to press their luck again.
RadioKev October 7th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
This is the first post season loss that I can remember where I pitching was actually good.
When was the last time that happened?
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It wasn’t last year. In the 04 Boston debacle it was Mo and Flash Gordon in the late innings, but the last game there was a blowout. I think in 06 we weren’t in that last game either.
They have Chamberlain and Hughes, both of whom are young with live arms, both of whom have already had success as starters. That’s the way to go.
D-Man October 7th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
As long as we are willing to give up Montero, we should have a pretty good chance at finding the #2 that we desperately need.
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Are you for real?
Pitching wasn’t the problem. The lack of clutch hitting & the inability of Girardi to use the bench players & adjust the lineup. This could have been won in 4 if Girardi had the courage to make certain moves.
JAP-
Joba won’t be available until mid-season at best. I think Hughes is trade bait, JMO.
This is probably one of the worst losses because this team was just so good and so built for the playoffs. At least last year we completely sucked in the ALCS. This series was in our grasp.
I definitely wouldn’t bring Swisher back. If they want to pick up the option and then trade him fine. But why pay someone $11m if when it means the most it’s obvious that he can’t handle it and he craps his pants? It’s time to move on.
I would definitely find out how many years it would take to sign Beltran. He wanted to sign here when he signed with the Mets and maybe he wants to stay in NY. I would give him 2 years and a team or mutual option but nothing more than that.
Chamberlain and Hughes are good in theory but one is coming off a missed season because of surgery and the other was shut down for a good portion of the season with unexplained loss of velocity.
Might be too many questions marks surrounding both of them to write it in ink.
Chip,
I wasn’t talking about Giambi this year/
To be honest I didn’t even remember he had played this year.
I meant Giambi during most of his Yankee years.
I’ve been thinking a lot about Jorge this morning. It’s making me real melancholy.
“As long as we are willing to give up Montero, we should have a pretty good chance at finding the #2 that we desperately need.”
It’s amazing to me that after the offense lost yet ANOTHER postseason series people find ways to blame the starting pitching for this team’s problems.
Pitching is the LAST priority for this team going into next year. The pitching on this team was excellent this year and should be again next year without much tweaking.
Montero, given the state of the offense on this team, should be the most untouchable player in the entire organization.
Wave, I’m not sure what a compromised Hughes – for that’s how he’ll be evaluated – would yield.
Better off trying to rekindle first half 2010 Hughes. Joba showing up in late May would be fine.
Pitching is the LAST priority for this team going into next year. The pitching on this team was excellent this year and should be again next year without much tweaking.
Montero, given the state of the offense on this team, should be the most untouchable player in the entire organization.
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Yup. That’s why I asked him if he is for real. LOL.
Giving up Montero would be a collossal mistake. The Yanks desperately need another impact bat in the heart of the order and they have a potential hitting superstar who’s also extremely cheap.
Bronx Jeers October 7th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
I’ve been thinking a lot about Jorge this morning. It’s making me real melancholy.
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I can’t even let myself go there yet. It just hasn’t sunk in….
JAP,
I actually had good people around me last night at the stadium. Although the top of the 1st kinda sucked the air out of the building. It was tough walking out of there last night, thinking we’d never see Jorge in pinstripes again.
Bronx Jeers October 7th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
I?ve been thinking a lot about Jorge this morning. It?s making me real melancholy.
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It’s incredibly depressing. I’m really going to miss him.
I remember when this board nearly crashed the servers upon hearing news that we’d snatched up Teixeira from Boston’s grasp.
I don’t think we’ll ever see such a big splash again.
This team needs has enough futile boppers – ones that aren’t getting any younger.
We need more youth, and trading some big chips may be the only way of doing that.
Man – now I know how it feels to be a Braves fan in the 1990s. And the 2000s.
pat October 7th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Chamberlain and Hughes are good in theory but one is coming off a missed season because of surgery and the other was shut down for a good portion of the season with unexplained loss of velocity.
Might be too many questions marks surrounding both of them to write it in ink.
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Joba, to me, is a no brainer for the rotation. I don’t see what question marks there would be. He’s ahead of schedule, after the most routine surgery in the world, and is in great shape. Again, aside from my admitted enthusiasm for his return to the rotation, I have a feeling this is already in play.
Hughes’ health should improve. Between the two of them, if one works out, that’s a pretty darn good starting pitcher, likely better than anything you’d be able to get without ruining the team’s future.
Try it, Yanks. Life’s a risk.
G-C October 7th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Chip,
I wasn’t talking about Giambi this year/
To be honest I didn’t even remember he had played this year.
I meant Giambi during most of his Yankee years.
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Well then the question becomes, even with those years when Giambi was in his prime, how many titles did the Yankees win?
Don’t need to do much with the rotation.
You could let Freddy walk and bring in Buerhle but outside of health its really debatable if that would be an upgrade, even putting aside the difference in pricetags.
But hypothetically I’m fine with CC-Nova-Garcia-Hughes-Chamberlain.
Just retool the goddamn offense please.
The Yanks would be making a gigantic mistake if they traded Montero. Unless they are signing Pujols or Fielder (not happening) they need his big bat in the lineup. This lineup is going to be built around Granderson, Cano, Montero and Tex (if he is able to fix his swing). A bat like Montero’s doesn’t come around very often and when you get one for cheap you don’t trade it.
JM October 7th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
JAP,
I actually had good people around me last night at the stadium. Although the top of the 1st kinda sucked the air out of the building. It was tough walking out of there last night, thinking we’d never see Jorge in pinstripes again.
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I have some real bitterness about his treatment this year by the organization, plus extreme sadness about what you just said that I can’t even write…if I let those feelings take over, I will be even more depressed than I am right now…
I had a mix of hard core fans and the ones you really want to send over the rail. Glad you at least had the right kind of fans.
But what did Tex to towards delivering a title in 2009? Hit a walkoff HR in game 2 of the ALDS? While it may seem like a big hit, that Twins team was shot they were not beating us.
Put Giambi on the 09 team with the way A-Rod/Matsui/Damon/Jeter/Posada hit, along with how CC/AJ/Andy/Rivera pitched and Giambi would have a ring too.
Rivera gets 3 outs in 2004, Giambi/Sheffield/Brown/Vazquez/ARod/Mussina etc. all have rings most likely.
What kind of world do we live in where Nick Swisher is going to be handed $10 million for his performance?
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Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
A world in which an OF who you can write in for an 800+ OPS is worth more than $10M.
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Ugh ? even in our ugly post mortem, people still swatting me with the stat sheet ? OK, that’ll be good for my birdcage
DRob30 I don’t know what to do with myself. Still can’t believe it’s over…
G-C October 7th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Don’t need to do much with the rotation.
You could let Freddy walk and bring in Buerhle but outside of health its really debatable if that would be an upgrade, even putting aside the difference in pricetags.
But hypothetically I’m fine with CC-Nova-Garcia-Hughes-Chamberlain.
Just retool the goddamn offense please.
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You’re putting a lot of faith in:
1. Chamberlain – who probably won’t be a starter if healthy and also needs to come back from TJ
2. Hughes – who was injured/ineffective most of this year
3. Garcia – a minor league free agent who was a fantastic steal.
THose 2009 games against the Twins were very close. Now we’re going to revise the importance of the Tex walkoff?
If you think Tex hasn’t been crucial to the success of the infield defense, I don’t know what to tell you. I also can’t get how a guy who doubled and who worked a smart AB to force in a run is getting so much grief in here.
At least Tex has face the cold facts about his LH swing. I have cried all season about his LH futility, but lately my optimism about his taking responsibility is warranted. He’s going to come back very strong next season and be an asset to the lineup.
“health should improve”…….”if one works out”
I’m guessing most big market GMs pencil in “shoulds” or “ifs” as 5th, 6th or 7th starter candidates and are thrilled if they become more.
…& Tex is still young.
“DRob30 I don’t know what to do with myself.”
Here’s a suggestion, he should wrap himself in bubble wrap and avoid any and all sharp objects.
This is purely hypothetical and there is likely no way it would ever be discussed let alone happen, but putting all that aside – assuming all players involved would waive their NTC:
Cubs get:
Alex Rodriguez
Yankees get:
Soriano
Zambrano
hardwired7 October 7th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
?DRob30 I don’t know what to do with myself.?
Here?s a suggestion, he should wrap himself in bubble wrap and avoid any and all sharp objects.
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Nothing is guaranteed, pat. People here were screaming they wanted Josh Johnson. Look what happened to him.
The point is, the Yankees have a lot of pitching depth. Enviably so. They thought they were getting an innings eater and some stud when they traded for Vazquez. In the process, they gave up Vizcaino and Melky. An exchange for a “No. 2″ now might be even more costly.
I’ld take my chances with what’s already here & keep my cards.
Why do people like to romanticize Giambi’s time as a Yankee?
Someone is just chatting about making Tex a pure right hand hitter. Doesn’t make sense to me, he was brought here to expliot the short RF porch, plus Righty Righty with ARod make it easier for the other team to pitch them
Still have Nova, or have we decided he’s not a real pitcher…. AJ can pitch well, & we’re stuck with him, any way. CC, Nova and AJ, plus Hughes/Joba/Noesi, maybe a Freddy revisit.. DJ Mitchell and Warren are also options (Phelps does not have the stuff, IMO). What if Manny or Dellin just take off and one is ready mid-season?
The depth is there.
JAP
I’m not advocating trading for a guarantee. Just pointing out that what’s here comes with its own set of question marks.
Cubs get:
Alex Rodriguez
Yankees get:
Soriano
Zambrano
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This makes the team worse. By like a factor of 10
Cubs get:
Alex Rodriguez
Yankees get:
Soriano
Zambrano
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Jerkface October 7th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Cubs get:
Alex Rodriguez
Yankees get:
Soriano
Zambrano
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This makes the team worse. By like a factor of 10
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I agree – just wanted to see how much A-Rod vitriol there was out there.
Chip
Let’s start with just 1 NTC…..why would Alex agree to go to Chicago?
Wave,Hughes has little to no trade value…now if they already know they don’t want to re sign him they can convert him to a reliever and try to build trade him as such…I think he has gor half a season top impress…if not he goes in the pen. I don’t think he has any rope with the org. Anymore
I never like Giambi…and he was terrible his last years
“Hughes has little to no trade value”
so not true.
I understand to expect some status quo answers from Chad in these chats, but to say that Montero is not an automatic upgrade to Martin at the plate? I couldn’t disagree more.
pat October 7th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Chip
Let’s start with just 1 NTC…..why would Alex agree to go to Chicago?
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As I said, it was a complete hypothetical that I don’t ever see being discussed let alone happening. So whether one or more of them would invoke a NTC is moot.
pat October 7th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
JAP
I’m not advocating trading for a guarantee. Just pointing out that what’s here comes with its own set of question marks.
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Sure, but there’s comfort in numbers. We have a lot of arms. Odds are, something clicks for us. If Cashman means what he says, we’re going to focus within principally. Warren and Mitchell have good arms, Joba’s is potentially great, Hughes could come back strong… Dellin and Manny are the best close-to-majors arms we’ve had in like forever…Noesi/Nova….we’ve got riches…
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Everyone at instructs seems to be throwing good sliders. I guess the Yanks have become slider friendly…
Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Wave,Hughes has little to no trade value…now if they already know they don’t want to re sign him they can convert him to a reliever and try to build trade him as such…I think he has gor half a season top impress…if not he goes in the pen. I don’t think he has any rope with the org. Anymore
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Completely disagree.
Young pitcher, no arm issue history, hard-thrower, affordable.
I can see NL teams maybe being more interested, but Phil would be a #3 on alot of teams.
pat October 7th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
“Hughes has little to no trade value”
so not true.
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I think it’s very possible that Hughes has thrown his last pitches for the Yankees.
hardwired7 October 7th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
I understand to expect some status quo answers from Chad in these chats, but to say that Montero is not an automatic upgrade to Martin at the plate? I couldn’t disagree more.
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I don’t bother with those chats for this very reason. That’s an absurd statement.
Tex, Arod, Swisher and Martin let their team down.
There’s no getting around it.
It’s as simple as that.
If each of those guys bats even .200 for the series, we’re hosting Texas Sat night.
Pat, your comment is so not true, but we will have to disagree.
I don’t get the hate for Martin…Im so glad we have him on the tem next year. If Joe doesn’t lay Montero, that is an issue with cash man, who thinks Joe can do no wrong.
As to the SP, just because it want the problem. In this series doesn’t mean it is not a problem. Co Lon won’t be back and who knows if Freddy will? WhT is our rotation..CC,AJ and Nova?
Let’s start with just 1 NTC…..why would Alex agree to go to Chicago?
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Oh, brother.
Future Yankee RF’er? http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......s-rah-rah/
I wonder what Bryce Harper’s LoHud handle is?
Bring in the Goose October 7th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Tex, Arod, Swisher and Martin let their team down.
There’s no getting around it.
It’s as simple as that.
If each of those guys bats even .200 for the series, we’re hosting Texas Sat night.
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And if the fly ball Jeter hit in the 8th went just 7 more feet; if CC doesn’t give up that third run…if if if…
It’s over.
Let it go.
“I never like Giambi…and he was terrible his last years”
Giambi’s OPS in his final year as a Yankee (at age 37) was higher than Teixeira’s in 2010 or 2011 (ages 30-31). And higher by .30-.40 points as well.
His OPS in 05 and 06 (ages 34 and 35) were better than Teixeria’s best season as a Yankee in 2009 at age 29.
Chip, not yet…but I dont think he will be here long term
A couple of guys to sign next year potentially – Ortiz and Beltran.
Ortiz is still a big time clutch hitter. Beltran in his career has been a good postseason player and can just blend in here.
If you want the team to hit in the postseason, bring in guys who have done it before. Not hope Tex/Swish turn it around.
Rusell Martin is hitting .192 in 73 career postseason ABs. It’s not just with the Yankees, he was bad with the Dodgers too.
Chip October 7th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
Future Yankee RF’er? http://hardballtalk.nbcsports&.....s-rah-rah/
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Bryce is a hard core yankees fan. He wants to be a yankee. I remember in ST when they played the yankees & he was watching star struck. I heard someone from the organization had to pull him away from gazing at Cano.
Francesa is right about not having that clutch post season hitting. Guys can hit in regular season but not in the post.
6 more years of AROD at $30 million per is unacceptable.
. I heard someone from the organization had to pull him away from gazing at Cano.
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Well, who can blame him for that?? I like him already.
LockDown October 7th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Francesa is right about not having that clutch post season hitting. Guys can hit in regular season but not in the post.
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For the most part this is the same team that won the WS two years ago. Matsui and Damon didn’t make that much of a difference.
Can the Yankees get a draft pick if they decline Swisher’s option and he signs elsewhere?
Still more Felix Hernandez questions???
Something tells me these are the same people that had a hard time giving up the Santa Claus and Tooth Fairy myths as a kid.
spidanyc October 7th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
6 more years of AROD at $30 million per is unacceptable.
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Ok. What would you like to do about it?
Abomb82 October 7th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
A couple of guys to sign next year potentially – Ortiz and Beltran.
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where are you playing them? Beltran can maybe give you something in RF but is he really a clutch post season performer? He’s only been in the post season – what – twice?
As for Ortiz – the Yankees have a DH for next year – Montero.
Matsui and Damon didn’t make that much of a difference.
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Maybe not when you consider what Jorge at DH and Gardner in LF did this series but there’s no doubt those guys were a major help. They knew how to put together some serious at-bats. They missed that this series.
Cano had a great AB where he drilled that pitch to right center. Just bad luck there.
Chip October 7th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
spidanyc October 7th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
6 more years of AROD at $30 million per is unacceptable.
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Ok. What would you like to do about it?
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The same thing you would do, complain for the next 6 years.
“6 more years of AROD at $30 million per is unacceptable.”
Not happy about the contract and you gave him a raise?
Bronx Jeers October 7th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Matsui and Damon didn’t make that much of a difference.
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Maybe not when you consider what Jorge at DH and Gardner in LF did this series but there’s no doubt those guys were a major help. They knew how to put together some serious at-bats. They missed that this series.
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You can’t keep teams together forever – players get old and need to be replaced. Look at what Matsui’s done since leaving the Yankees. If he was still here people would be screaming to get rid of him – that he’s too old and the Yankees need to get younger.
Damon – maybe as a DH would have had something to offer – certainly more than Posada through the course of the season. But then where do you play Posada? Do you keep Jorge at C where he’s even less effective than he was at DH or do you play him in LF at the expense of Gardner. Or, because you keep Damon does that mean you never make the deal for Curtis Granderson. And even if you don’t make that deal – you still have Austin Jackson who is now being blocked…
One series does not mean that the moves you made leading up to that series were bad.
Matsui and Damon were very good players here – but their age, the way the roster was developing, it all dictated that for the long term future of the Yankees it was time for them to move on. Doesn’t mean there aren’t certain circumstances where you miss them.
I’m sure if you could hop in the way-back machine to right after the Yankees lost the ALDS to the Indians there were people wondering if letting Wetteland go and moving Rivera to the closer’s role was the right decision.
CC is a great regular season pitcher except when he faces the Red Sox. CC is a mediocre postseason pitcher. With that said, does he deserve to be the highest paid pitcher in the game for a 2nd time?
by the way – that would be the 1997 ALDS where Rivera gave up the game/series winning HR to Sandy Alomar Jr.
So what is mike’s solution? He probably doesn’t have one. The lineup is almost all locked in…no flexibility
Betsy
What fact supports your theory that Hughes has no trade value?
Players with lesser track records and “stuff” started for 30 ML teams this season.
What a tedious bore – complaints about money already spent.
In the live chat, Chad thinks it’s going to take Cliff Lee’s contract to keep CC. The Yanks should be able to swing that no problem.
Now we should all be glad Lee signed for less money.
Chip October 7th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Bring in the Goose October 7th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Tex, Arod, Swisher and Martin let their team down.
There’s no getting around it.
It’s as simple as that.
If each of those guys bats even .200 for the series, we’re hosting Texas Sat night.
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And if the fly ball Jeter hit in the 8th went just 7 more feet; if CC doesn’t give up that third run…if if if…
It’s over.
Let it go.
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Chip – the point is there’s so much analysis of the series – it’s not a team issue. It’s a few guys.
Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
So what is mike’s solution? He probably doesn’t have one. The lineup is almost all locked in…no flexibility
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Mike’s not paid to have solutions, he’s paid to stir the pot and get people to call in…which he does quite well.
My personal thought is that the only places where you have any opportunities to make a change are at RF and DH.
The DH will likely be Montero. Which is a good thing.
In RF I would not automatically hand Swisher the option (and if you do pick it up, there’s nothing that would preclude you from trading him) Take a look at all the options that are out there – from J-Ups and Logan Morrison and Jason Heyward to a Grady Sizemore or maybe you do explore a bad contract for bad contract deal and send AJ to the Mets for Bay…who knows.
Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
So what is mike’s solution? He probably doesn’t have one. The lineup is almost all locked in…no flexibility
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The lineup didn’t need to be locked in. Why not move Posada up. He was batting 7th to give Swisher protection & Swisher who has yet to be a clutch PS hitter. And what about the bench, they weren’t used.
I actually would rather the Yanks explore say Beltran on a 2yr deal @ 10-12per, which is about what I think he’ll command considering Berkman’s deal, over Swisher for 1. He’s a better all around player hitter and most importantly clutch postseason player.
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Jeter
Beltran
Cano
ARod
Grandy
Tex
Montero
Martin
Gardner
One series does not mean that the moves you made leading up to that series were bad.
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I wasn’t implying that they should’ve retained those guys. Like I said the positions they filled were filled with productive players (Jorge, Gardner)
I was just saying that they were missing the type of AB’s that those gave gave.
Chip,
Hughes and Nunez isn’t anywhere in the ballpark of enough to get Heyward…..even if they have put feelers out on him it’s because they’d look to clean up in a deal and fill a lot of holes……think more like Banuelos, Swisher, Nunez, and a Mason Williams or somebody…..I don’t think think they would trade him unless they got something like that in return…..too much upside at his age.
Chip October 7th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
My personal thought is that the only places where you have any opportunities to make a change are at RF and DH.
The DH will likely be Montero. Which is a good thing.
In RF I would not automatically hand Swisher the option (and if you do pick it up, there’s nothing that would preclude you from trading him)
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I agree with Montero at DH/C & we need an RF upgrade. What about seeing what Beltran would take to come here?
“Probably not. In a tight game, I think it was worth keeping Martin behind the plate. I’m not sure Montero would have been an automatic upgrade there.”
Stopped reading here.
Yea if they could get Beltran for 2 years then go for it…..he’s the opposite of Swisher in that he’s better from the left side, he’s a better outfielder, and he has been known to hit in the playoffs…..the only thing is that Swisher is much less of an injury risk. They could pick up Swisher’s option and trade him for prospects.
Beltran and his agent would demand a huge sum and lengthy contract, and Carlos would do what he normally does – coast through that agreement and perform only when it’s a walk year.
I don’t read the chats but did Chad really say Montero’s not an automatic upgrade over Martin at the plate?
Well you got your answer for why Girardi wasn’t grilled on not pinch hitting for Martin.
Thurman Martin has got the beat writers hypnotized like Girardi and Cashman.
Beltran will want more than 2 years….
Cashman has to find out what it would take to sign Beltran. He would be perfect in RF and could DH once a week. There is no reason to pay Swisher $11m when you could get Beltran for $3-4m more. If they are going to play Gardner in LF and Martin at C they have to upgrade in RF and Beltran would be perfect.
Pat, where are your facts? He had a bad second half last year, he has major issues with secondary pitches and among other things……what team would trade anything of real value forhim at this point? That isn’t even mentioning that he has had a hard time staying healthy. If he is on the block we will see whjo is right…but then wouldn’t you wonder why Cas would be trying to deal him if he is that good ?
Right now wet/dry vacs are being deployed on the rugs in the visitor’s locker room at Yankee Stadium.
Phil is going to be fine next year.
He threw the ball very impressively from August onwards.
I have no concerns about him provided he spends the offseason getting in better shape than he was at the beginning of this year.
Blake
You have to consider that the Braves are internally very down on Heyward and have serious questions about him/skills/makeup.
They’ve publicly stated that he’s not guaranteed a starting job next season already and may start the year down in AAA.
Hughes and Nunez wouldn’t get it done I agree because the Braves have no need for Hughes. They have 5 young guys who are all about ML ready with just as much or more upside than Phil and no where to put them right now.
The Braves need to upgrade their offense and specifically need to address SS, 3B and OF production. Any trade for Heyward I think would have to solve some of those ?’s for them with players who could contribute now and over the next 2-3yrs to a title contending team.
Stop relating Munson to Martin. Munson could hit. Career .292 BA.
Beltran is 34 so he isn’t getting a 4-5 year deal and he also had some knee problems. I think he will get 2 years with an option. Maybe a desperate team would gurantee the 3rd year. If Cash could get him for 2 years and a team option he has to try and sign him.
“Stop relating Munson to Martin. Munson could hit. Career .292 BA.”
Cashman is the one who has been doing it.
So I can’t decide what more to be depressed about A) The fact that the season is over or B) The realization that the only way the Yankees win the W.S. is if Tex and Arod specifically Arod can come through in the post season.
I mean let’s face it we are “stuck” with these two for a long time yet and they have to produce in October for it to be successful. The problem is these too guys SUCK in October.
Minus 2009 and wow look at there we won it all. Freaking depressing to have to rely on those two guys every October.
blake October 7th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Yea if they could get Beltran for 2 years then go for it…..he’s the opposite of Swisher in that he’s better from the left side, he’s a better outfielder, and he has been known to hit in the playoffs…..the only thing is that Swisher is much less of an injury risk. They could pick up Swisher’s option and trade him for prospects.
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I would be fine with that but the question is whether or not Beltran – with his leg issues at age 35 could handle playing RF on an everyday basis or are you going to need to DH him more too – like you will Alex?
If the Yankees are going to make a move in the OF I would prefer to see it be a younger player – if not a stud up & comer then I would certainly inquire on Carlos Quentin or talk about a contract for Jason Kubel.
Or you could go for a superior defensive outfield and try to work a deal with the Twins:
Hughes and a prospect or two for Span and Liriano?
Beltran is 34 coming off microfracture knee surgery. He can want the moon but the bottomline is what the market will bear.
After seeing the mess that Bay’s been for the Mets and Berkman take a 1yr deal I doubt Beltran gets more than 2yrs maybe 3 tops.
The Yanks can certainly be in that game. The issue maybe if Beltran were to say still be smarting from the Yanks spurning him when he begged them to sign here before taking the Mets $ and Cashman being so dismissive of the idea of going for him this past trade deadline.
But Cash should definitely make the call as for 2 yrs he’d be a nice bridge out in RF til some of our younger OF’er like Heathcott,Zoilo Almonte, Abe Almonte or Melky Mesa maybe ready to come up… a def upgrade to Swish though
Betsy
My facts lie in every pitching staff. Look at every teams 25 man roster and you would find a player on it you would trade Hughes for if you weren’t dealing from a place of emotion.
That means he has trade value.
Personally, I’d like to see his value stay in NY because I want to see what the finished project will be .
How about a trade with the Dodgers that sends Swisher, Romine and Warren for Ethier and Lilly?
“You have to consider that the Braves are internally very down on Heyward and have serious questions about him/skills/makeup.
They’ve publicly stated that he’s not guaranteed a starting job next season already and may start the year down in AAA.”
link? starting a 22 year old in AAA doesn’t mean a whole lot.
Wren recently said “We’ve never had one discussion about trading Jason Heyward, that’s the furthest thing from our minds”.
I’m not saying they wouldn’t trade him…..just that it would take a big big offer.
This team was better than the Tigers so I have to blame Joe Girardi. He had a Grady Little moment in game 3 and just couldn’t chew bubble gum & think at the same time in game 5. We had a good bench. That kid Montero had a hot bat.. Russ Martin was hitting a buck maybe. Nick Swisher has looked lost for a while. I don’t get how you leave those guys in with the bases loaded late in the game when we’re down.
I am so tired of watching Tex and Swish swing for the fances in the play offs. Martin did it also but he hit like a pitcher since April so no one expected anything out of him. Their approach is absolutely terrible and swinging like that doesn’t work in the play offs. Damon got old but I really miss him, especially in big games. He is a gamer.
champ809 October 7th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
How about a trade with the Dodgers that sends Swisher, Romine and Warren for Ethier and Lilly?
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That’s fine too.
And plausible since I’ve read where the Dodgers are getting a little tired of Andre. Not sure Lilly can still pitch in the AL East though. Also it’s hard to make deals with a team in the situation that the Dodgers are in right now.
How about they just force Swish to take some Xanax before every postseason game?
“Hughes and a prospect or two for Span and Liriano?”
they have no use for Span and I’m not sure Hughes won’t be better than Liriano next year.
jacksquat October 7th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Stop relating Munson to Martin. Munson could hit. Career .292 BA.
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um, point!
Francesa sounding a little disappointed fans want to pile on Swisher before Alex.
The #1 move the Yankees have to make this winter is to decide that Montero will be in the lineup every single game…..that’s their best and cheapest option to improve the lineup.
Not sure if this has already been posted, but here is Heyman’s take on the Yankees and their needs:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....=hp_t14_a3
Jorge to Thurman comparisons are good to go, though, right?
No bigger Thurman Munson fan on the planet than Jorge Posada. I think he’d be humbled by the comparison.
It’s like firing the manager because you can’t fire the players.
We are unfortunately stuck with A-Rod/Tex…. and Jeter isn’t going anywhere. So we have to do what we can in other areas like with Swisher, Martin, Gardner, and the DH spot.
The vulnerability to RHP is not good at all especially in our ballpark. In 09, NYS was the place where RHers came to die. Now we can’t hit any of the good ones.
blake October 7th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
“Hughes and a prospect or two for Span and Liriano?”
they have no use for Span and I’m not sure Hughes won’t be better than Liriano next year.
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I’m not sure I disagree with you – but if you put a healthy Span out there with Granderson and Gardner I’m pretty sure the Yankee Outfield would be the place where fly balls go to die. It would be outstanding defensively.
Frankly – before handing Nick a job for 2012 I inquire on the following guys:
Ethier
Quentin
Span
Heyward
LoMo
J-Ups
Girardi did a phenominal job managing the bullpen yesterday considering he lost his starter after the 2nd inning….that could have been disaster but they navigated the entire game only allowing one more run and that was CC’s. The game was 100% on the offense.
Girardi managed Games 4 and 5 with more urgency than I’ve ever seen him…(aside from not hitting for Martin or Swisher)….we can hope that Game 2 taught him a valuable lesson for the future and that he manages the playoffs every game next year like the last 2 this year. He could have pinch hit more…..but the bottom line is that the players didn’t get it done…..Girardi didn’t leave all those men on base.
DRob30 I don’t know what to do with myself. Still can’t believe it’s over…
about 1 hour ago ·
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This.
Heyman speculates the Yanks might trade Montero…I hope he’s wrong. I think it would be a huge mistake at this point.
THought we could use some cheering up:
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Frankie- Dante Jr – legit top prospect? and can he stick at third?
Thursday October 6, 2011 1:03 Guest
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Frankie Piliere:
Very legitimate. His swing is already being quieted a little by professional coaching and he’s more advanced than people are giving him credit for with the bat. The plus arm keeps him at third I think.
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Thoughts on Montero since he has been called up? I remember your report about his stance still being worked on not too long before his call up. Do you still see any of that?
Thursday October 6, 2011 1:16 Mark
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Frankie Piliere:
Couldn’t really be better. I think he’s not quite as crouched as the last time I saw him with Scranton. He just looks far more comfortable now. Perhaps Kevin Long gets credit or he adjusted on his own, but he’s looking as good as I’ve ever seen him.
Xanax? Swisher probably thinks he didn’t drink enough red bull.
Probably planning to up his dosage from 10 to 14 pregame red bulls next October.
JM October 7th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Heyman speculates the Yanks might trade Montero…I hope he’s wrong. I think it would be a huge mistake at this point.
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They trade him, I think I’m done.
The #1 move the Yankees have to make this winter is to decide that Montero will be in the lineup every single game…..that’s their best and cheapest option to improve the lineup.
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Agree 100%. If Girardi doesn’t agree with it then let him walk. His obsession with Martin has to stop. Martin can catch AJ and Garcia(if he comes back) Montero can catch CC, Nova and the other starting pitcher. If they want to split it up 60% DH to 40% catching fine but his bat has to be in the lineup everyday.
If my choices are CJ Wilson for 5 years or trading Montero for a Gio Gonzalez-type… give me Wilson 10 times out of 10.
blake, the handling of the pitching notwithstanding, I can’t give the manager credit for “urgency” when he made no bench moves & let hitters everyone in the building knew except him would not hit, hit.
EA,
Agree 100 percent.
Xanax is definitely contraindicated in Swish’s case.
You don’t even want to know the side effects in that scenario.
Heyman also thinks Jorge will retire. “Seems destined to retire a Yankee.” I hope he’s right.
I don’t want to trade Montero at all. So “no” to trading him for a pitcher.
What do you think about Yu?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLGB69siot8
Heyman speculates the Yanks might trade Montero?I hope he?s wrong. I think it would be a huge mistake at this point.
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Which is why I have been saying I would be very surprised if he is back with the team and Chad seems to be a mouth piece for the team when he says he doesn’t even know if Montero would have been an upgrade on offensive over Martin.
Chad won’t even get on Swisher or Mark. What a joke. Its like having a chat with Micahel Kay
Not sure why we didn’t move Posada up and Swish down as per what I mentioned a few days ago. And not using Montero’s bat. Sigh.
Pruf, looks like Andujar (our 2011 IFA signing) is turning on high velo fastballs as well as breaking stuff. Wonder how his D plays at 3rd…
Phelps starts tomorrow in AFL. Yeah, his stuff doesn’t play as well as our other AAA starters IMO.
They really can’t trade Montero…they need a young bat premier bat more than they need anything. I wouldn’t trade Montero for any pitcher at this point.
Wait, Chad wrote that Montero would not have been an upgrade over Martin. Um, ok. Love his ‘tude and heart, but Martin is an automatic out. Wish he weren’t.
Heckuva series by Jorge. <3
“blake, the handling of the pitching notwithstanding, I can’t give the manager credit for “urgency” when he made no bench moves & let hitters everyone in the building knew except him would not hit, hit”
I think that’s fair…..but I think it was just a dance with the gal who brought you type situation. Those guys get paid a lot of money to produce and they just didn’t get it done. They had runners all over the bases last night and nobody got a big hit…..I guess he thought that the tide had to turn. They boxed themselves into a corner with Montero catching a long time ago…..and it really limited his role. Had they let him catch some down the stretch then maybe they would have had enough comfort level to let him hit for Martin a time or two……but they didn’t do it.
blake, if they don’t understand that about Montero, then they get what they reap.
Maybe there is hesitancy to catch Montero on the part of the FO because of what happened with Posey, Mauer, etc.
Girardi managed the bullpen great for games 4 and 5 but he blew games 2 and 3 by leaving Garcia and CC in too long. That continues to be a problem for him and his feel for when a starting pitcher is done is really poor. In game 2 before Scherzer even gave up a hit Leyland had a pitcher warming up just incase. Girardi has to get better in that department. He gave the Tigers 2 extra runs in both of those games instead of going to the great bullpen that wasnt even a factor in this series because he stayed with the starters too long.
Got to agree with Mike F. The Yankees built a “Mall” with this new Stadium. It’s not a home field advantage at all. Period.
yea…should have been up a long time ago…why does it hurt so much, even though you know in advance they are not going to do the things they need to to get it done?? & then they don’t get it done because of those things, & you still feel like s***
I would be fine going after Darvish. There’s obviously risk bringing over a pitcher from Japan, but what the heck…nothing gambled, nothing won.
I don’t think you deal Montero right now because there are very few things harder to find than RH power bats. He has Miggy Cabrera written all over him. A guy who has the bat to play and teams just have to be creative in covering up his glove as much as possible.
Anyone know what is the exact figure for Swisher hitting with RISP. It’s 1 for 34 or something like that, without even driving in the run on the one hit he did get.
I mean that is horrible.
UnKnown, the lack of people seated and focused on the game his highly annoying. THey don’t care as long as they make $$$, but they’re in for a rude awakening, as droves of people are giving up their season tix.
Unknown
1-31 with zero RBIs
“Got to agree with Mike F. The Yankees built a “Mall” with this new Stadium. It’s not a home field advantage at all. Period.”
Yankees are 2-4 in their last 6 postseason games at home.
Texas won 2/3 in NYS last year
Detroit won 2\3 including a clincher this year
We have no HFA anymore.
I’m bummed.
It’s really amazing that Girardi never pinch hit for Swisher late in the game. In 09′ he sat him so why wouldn’t he do it again? His at bat with the bases loaded in the 7th inning was as bad as it could possibly get swinging at 2 change ups off the plate. Also swinging 2-0 in the 9th inning against Valverde in game 3.
Home feel only exists over a large sample size like a reg season. Not in 1 5 or 7 game series. It is also not the fans that make the home field an advantage it is the umpires
The Yankees haven’t had HFA the past 2 postseasons because the lineup isn’t built for YS anymore.
The crowd was actually pretty darn loud yesterday and never gave up. However, HFA is overrated. We lost to Texas because we weren’t the better team, not because of a HFA or lack thereof. We lost this year b/c we couldn’t hit with RISP.
“The Yankees haven’t had HFA the past 2 postseasons because the lineup isn’t built for YS anymore.”
Word.
In 09, right-handers would dread coming into Yankee Stadium with the short porch. Now? Any decent right hander can get the lineup out with ease more often than not.
If Girardi had made the right moves with the bases loaded, there’d be no discussion about HFA not being there for us.
Face it, the completely paralyzed approach to the lineup screwed us out of Saturday.
I have to agree that I thought the crowd was loud and engaged last night, at least in my section of the upper deck, er, i mean grandstand.
I’d be surprised if they were seriously interested in Beltran. The whole industry is moving towards younger and more athletic. That does not describe Beltran. They already have enough guys over 30.
For same reason I don’t see them trading Jesus.
If Nova’s MRI is at all concerning I don’t they’ll trade Phil. They’ll need ML starting pitching.
Having said all that, if Jason heyward is at all available, and the due diligence is favorable, I would expect Cash to be first in line. We’re nit the only ones who watched those games.
JM, where were you abouts?
My 2012 Yankees Rotation:
1. Sabathia if he opts out and accepts Cliff Lee’s contract with the Phillies plus $1M because he is not better than Lee (I toss in the extra mil so his contract exceeds Lee’s.) Otherwise Pettitte brought back for a year and $15M I think he’d take. Pettitte would be low-risk high-reward cuz he’d be only a one-year proposition for $8M less than what Sabathia would make for 2012 if he didn’t opt out. One year of Pettitte, seven or more years of Sabathia, or four or more years of C.J. Wilson? I’ll take one year of Pettitte, thanks.
2. Burnett
3. Nova
4. Hughes
5. Chien Mien Wang who turns only 32 next 3/31 re-signed for the contract the Yanks gave Freddy Garcia for 2011 (one year for $1.5M base, $5.1M if he makes 30 starts.) Wang made only a mil with the lowly Nationals this year, so I’d imagine he’d jump at the chance to make up to $5.1M / 5X that plus $100K and return to the Yanks. He posted a 4.04 ERA and 1.283 WHIP for the Nats this season (4-3 record, 62.1 IP in 11 GS so 3.2 IP shy of 6 IP/GS, 67 H, 13 BB, 25 SO, 8 HR, 2 WP, 1 HBP.) Low-risk, high-reward, and homegrown.
Signing C.C. for 7 or 8 years would be shortsighted. Could the 2012 Yanks miss the postseason if they let go of Sabathia? They could, but maybe they wouldn’t. Did anyone think the Rays could make the 2011 postseason after losing Carl Crawford, Carlos Pena, and their entire bullpen after 2010 and the Red Sox would miss the 2011 postseason after signing Crawford away from Tampa Bay and trading for then locking up Adrian Gonzalez?
Also remember the new wildcard playoff will begin in the 2013 season (the two teams with the best records for non-division winners play a one-game playoff to be the wildcard) so the Yanks don’t even have to finish in second place to make the postseason. They could get a chance to win the wildcard with as little as 85 wins in 2013.
I could see three among Pettitte, Burnett, Nova, Hughes, and Wang pitching like #3s, one of them pitching like a #4, and one of them pitching like a #5. If the Yanks landed a #2, they could win the division and would be World Series contenders. The Yanks still have the best offense, bullpen, and bench in the division.
I’m saying it here:
If the 2012 Yankees make the postseason, they will face Detroit or Texas in the first round as I think they’ll win their respective divisions and either Boston or Tampa Bay will win the division or wildcard depending on which one the Yanks win.
Does anyone think that Girardi is too much of a player’s managing? Pertaining to not making tough decisions on pinch hitting at times and taking out starters during to the regular season because he is afraid of making them mad.
I mean I swear last night he didn’t want to PH for Swish or Martin because he thought they would be disappointed. You can’t manage that way.
Mike Francesa makes a living by appealing to Those who let their emotions of the moment control their thoughts.
JM, from my vantage point, I thought the crowd was great all over the Stadium.
I agree with that. Place is way too quiet. I discussed that here last night. Yanks probably had the least loudest stadium out of all postseason teams in 2009, last year and this year.
Watching Martin and Swish bat with the bases loaded was brutal to watch. Everyone knew that they were going to swing out of their shoes and they both wouldn’t get the job done, especially Martin.
Yankeefem, haven’t read much about Andujar, but having 3B options, with real offensive upside, is exciting.
You’ll never replace Alex, just like they’ll never replace Jeter. But that day will come.
Martin was horribly overmatched, whereas Swisher’s approach dooms him. I kept hoping for something miraculous…
Yanks seemed to do ok at The Stadium 2009 post season.
And, I don’t think the venue had anything to do with Martin not hitting, or Swish swinging and trying to jerk outside pitches in the 7th inning last night.
Shame Spencer, if you’re out there, today feels like a double chocolate cookie kind of day.
I’ve felt since May that i didn’t want to face the Tigers in a short series. I had a gut feeling beforehand that we would lose to them…even though I really felt we could have beat them in a 7 game series.
5 game series are really interesting and make it a real crap shot for any team. It adds a tremendous element of risk to the path to the championship, and I hope they keep it as it is…but it is too bad that the Yankees didn’t play Texas and then Detroit. I feel that they could have won it all that way.
@Ledger_Yankees
Nova has a flexor strain of his right forearm, according to the Yankees. Should heal on its own this winter.
Ledger_Yankees
Nova has a flexor strain of his right forearm, according to the Yankees. Should heal on its own this winter
Look at that, LGY was first w/the Nova news.
Bojo, agree it was the worst matchup for us, but I think we’d be getting ready to play tomorrow if Joe had made the simplest of moves…. & I hate that lousy best of five…
Pruf, Nice thing is Andujar’s only a baby but hits both FB and breaking balls, unlike many from the DR (Mesa, DeLeon…) He’s years away, but here’s a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yiay4Mzw1o
Look at that, LGY was first w/the Nova news.
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Thanks, guys for the update on Nova. Such a great kid, such bad luck.
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So Bobby Valentine said we won’t re-sign CC? That’s not even conceivable.
Best flexor strain news ever.
Someone needs to tell Ivan to take it easy on the flexoring.
Good news on Nova. Heal well, Ivan.
So Bobby Valentine said we won?t re-sign CC?
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That’s pretty much a guarantee CC will re-sign.
The Yankees need to sign a number 2 pitcher possibly CJ Wilson, after that look for a new right fielder like Jason Kubel who bats left handed and can use the right field porch. Martin is a great catcher but watching him in the post season was horrid.
yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Pruf, Nice thing is Andujar’s only a baby but hits both FB and breaking balls, unlike many from the DR (Mesa, DeLeon…) He’s years away, but here’s a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yiay4Mzw1o
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yankfem, he’s got a quick bat. Crackling too. Looks like a good athlete as well. Just a baby, though. Another exciting puppy in the mix.
No one seems to be reporting from locker stake out at the Stadium this year or is today too soon for that?
Erin October 7th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
So Bobby Valentine said we won?t re-sign CC?
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That’s pretty much a guarantee CC will re-sign.
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Ha. The game has already begun, methinks.
some people were talking about Beltran as an option. I just have to laugh because the guy is in the same category as previous me first type players that have been on this team since the early 2000′s.
Beltran chokes in big situations, he is always injured (most likely a former PED user), and he is not a team player. I saw what he did with the Mets and I don’t want to see him in pinstripes
Why I’m sad: This quote from the NY Times:
“The Yankees outscored the Tigers, 28-17. They reached base more often, had a better slugging percentage, hit for a higher average — .260 to the Tigers’ .228. The Yankees’ pitchers had a 3.27 earned run average, more than two runs better than the Tigers’ 5.73.”
It happens sometimes in sports — especially when the series is only five games — and it happened here. The better team lost. That’s a tougher pill to swallow than when you can say you were beaten by a better team. Not true. And compounded by the fact that the Rangers, in my opinion, are far more beatable.
I think the short 5 game series is the reason why you have not seen the same team win it more than once in the past 10 years. Except for the Sux I guess.
But my point being a lot of times the best team gets knocked out in the LDS because it is such a crap shoot. Again this year there will be a new Champion. Only the Phillies and D Backs have a shot to claim their second title since 2001.
I will go to my grave believing that the Yankees would have won it all this year if they would have won last night. No doubt about it.
Reason why this year hurts much more than last year when they were completely dominated by the Rangers and probably would have been stymied by the Freak and the Giants anyways.
When you’re the better team, and you lose, that means matters were not handled properly…
Beltran chokes in big situations
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.295/.375/.506 in High Leverage
.304/.390/.528 with RISP
.366/.485/.817 in the postseason
I think the best-of-five format favors the upset. Over the longer series, talent will out. If you have a mediocre leader, you may not get the chance for that talent to shine in the shorter set.
Beltran gets hurt and is old. Otherwise, he’s fine.
I wish one of the many talented OFers we have in the system was ready. If only Melky Mesa could hit a breaking pitch consistently.
Beltran chokes in big situations, he is always injured (most likely a former PED user), and he is not a team player. I saw what he did with the Mets and I don?t want to see him in pinstripes
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366 with 11 home runs and 19 RBIs in 22 playoff games yea he is horrible in big spots. Met fans hate him because he struck out in 1 at bat
And does anyone believe that CC deserves more money and years ?
The guy is the highest paid pitcher in the game right now and he isn’t even he best in the game. He has failed in the postseason more ften than not. Add to the fact that the guy is out of shape. If the Yankees just give him whatever he wants then it will be a big mistake like the A-rod contract.
Still stunned. Still bummed.
But there are other things to do and think about.
Giambi was a bum. And what does he have to do with today? Are you suggesting that we should have signed him to a contract and that he should have been at 1B?
Hughes absolutely has trade value now. He might not have had any when he was injured. But if you don’t think his stock hasn’t risen in September and October, then you are the only one who thinks so.
Is Kennedy pitching today?
I admit I am always angling for ways for them not to make offseason errors.
Kennedy gets his team to the NLCS, and if Philly flops, that’s a victory for developing your own and for not assuming someone else’s veteran star is going to guarantee you anything.
It also would really get us off the hook once and for all for not signing Lee.
I think these symbolic victories would help them make more sane decisions.
JAP,
I was in 417 last night.
I know Halladay’s pitching today, but Lee blew his game and if they lose, that was costly for them and he gets no other chance.
YESKimJones After game, Nova said he felt forearm discomfort in 2nd inning. He said it didn’t affect his 1st inning & the two HRs. That’s what he said.
Yes, down with Lee and the Phillies.
Rooting for Ian today.
JM, first base side, then. I was on 3B side, in 200s. Crowd is much, much better where you were.
Carlos Beltran compiled most of those numbers in his prime. And the reason his postseason stats look so good is because he had one of the best postseason performances of any player in 2004 for the Astros. And by the way they still lost to the Cardinals who had little to no pitching that year. The same can be said of his 2006 Mets campaign striking out looking at the Wainwright Curveball.
Go IPK and DBacks!
Around the ASB break this season it really looked Swish had taken a conscious effort to shorten up his stroke and stay within himself.
Gotta admit at one point I was about to post that I bet Swish breaks out this October, but just never got around to it.
Woops.
Bottom line – not pinch hitting Montero even once yesterday cost us the game, the series, the season, and the ALCS.
He is the 2nd best hitter on the team and should have been in there. While the other aging stars on the team can’t catch up to a good FB inside, Montero would have shortened his stroke and handled it easier. Did you see the flop that Fister was throwing to Tex and Martin? Those are the kinds of pitchers that the Yanks used to destroy. The Doug Fisters of the world never survived throwing low 90s meatballs down the middle like that.
Not giving Montero a chance cost us the series.
JAP,
I have sat all over the new stadium, even in front of the moat (have a friend with connections, LOL) and I have to say, the best crowds have been upstairs and, of course, in the bleachers with the creatures.
Speaking of which, Bald Vinny is apparently saying he may not be back next year. I guess his t-shirt business is not doing well and he’s looking for a job.
So if Yankees had advanced, Nova was likely out for CS with a strained flexor. That could have gotten interesting.
Carpenter is going to pitch a big game. Halladay is great but Carpenter is a big game pitcher and he has a history of coming through for the Cardinals. I also believe that the Cardinals offense does not fear any of the Phillies pitchers.
Carlos Beltran compiled most of those numbers in his prime. And the reason his postseason stats look so good is because he had one of the best postseason performances of any player in 2004 for the Astros. And by the way they still lost to the Cardinals who had little to no pitching that year. The same can be said of his 2006 Mets campaign striking out looking at the Wainwright Curveball.
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Most hitters combine their best numbers in their prime. The Mets losing to the Cardinals was Beltran’s fault? Like I said people use that one at bat to create this unclutch myth for him. Do you have any other examples or numbers of him being un clutch?
I have turned my attention now to rooting AGAINST the Phillies…Go Cards!
And does anyone believe that CC deserves more money and years ?
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“Deserves” has got nothing to do with it. It about the teams needs are and what the market bears. And neither of those thing are advantageous for the Yankees.
Eroc
I was saying the same thing last night. I recall Fister throwing several pitches right down the middle and Tex, A-rod, and Swisher did nothing with it. Like I said before Doug Fister is an average pitcher at best who has the luxury of pitching in a pitchers park.
Last night’s game reminded me of the 2007 ALDS where Paul Byrd shut them down with his 86 MPH fastball LOL !
New Post: Nova has Grade 1 strain
Triple Short of the Cycle
this is the same guy that was part of the Mets collapse in 2007 and 2008. In my opinion I have never really liked the guy and I don’t think he would be a good fit. He is another me first player who could care less about the team. The only thing he knows how to do is collect checks.
Yeah Chad sorry, but what you said in that chat really showed a basic lack of baseball understanding, as is the case with so many baseball writers and other people like Francesa.
If you honestly think there was not a much better chance for Montero to hit than Martin, then you need to watch their swings more often, because one guy has major holes in his swing, the other does not.
Same with your opinion that if they can get a #2 they might trade Montero, you don’t ever trade a generational hitting talent unless your system is overflowing with similar type talent and your major league team has lots of young talent in the lineup.
Francesa is talking all about getting hitters to hit in the post season, I don’t think these writers or him understand the basics of baseball, if you have holes in your swing, see Tex lefty, in the post season you’re going to be exposed every season, that;s why some guys can’t hit in the post season, it’s not complicated folks.
This is why Martin is never going to hit in a big spot, and should the Yankees make the world series, he should never be playing in the National League over Montero, one guy can hit any pitcher, the other is going to not.
HAHAHAHA now Francesa is talking about Montero never being anything great, he is so clueless, how do these writers and guys like him not understand what a natural swing in baseball is, really, I don’t get how you don’t see it with your eyes?
If the Yankees trade Montero, Cashman is as dim as the rest, he is the future along with Cano for this old hitting team, the fact some people don’t see this, I just don’t understand.
Not giving Montero a chance cost us the series.
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Some would accuse you of oversimplification and over statement.
I’m not one of those.
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