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Nova has Grade 1 strain

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 07, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Ivan Nova has a Grade 1 flexor strain of his right forearm.

After being pulled from last night’s game, Nova saw Dr. Christopher Ahmad today at NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital and had an MRI, which revealed the injury.

The Yankees say the injury is expected to heal without complications this winter.

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322 Responses to “Nova has Grade 1 strain”

  1. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Best possible news.

  2. m October 7th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Good luck.

    Didn’t someone else have a strain that ended up having TJS?

  3. Triple Short of a Cycle October 7th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    this is the same guy that was part of the Mets collapse in 2007 and 2008. In my opinion I have never really liked the guy and I don?t think he would be a good fit. He is another me first player who could care less about the team. The only thing he knows how to do is collect checks.

    —————————————————

    So not only did they not beat the Cards in 2006 because of him they also didn’t make the playoffs in 07 and 08 because of him too? It had nothing to do with Tom Glavine spitting the bit against the Marlins? I’m not advocating for him either but to call him un clutch is just not true. What makes you think he is a me first player?

    Is Dustin Pedroia un clutch because the team he was on collapsed?

  4. Against All Odds October 7th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    # m October 7th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Good luck.

    Didn’t someone else have a strain that ended up having TJS?

    ——————————-

    Did Joba have a strain?

  5. m October 7th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Either Joba or someone like Strasburg?

  6. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    JM October 7th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
    JAP,

    I have sat all over the new stadium, even in front of the moat (have a friend with connections, LOL) and I have to say, the best crowds have been upstairs and, of course, in the bleachers with the creatures.

    Speaking of which, Bald Vinny is apparently saying he may not be back next year. I guess his t-shirt business is not doing well and he’s looking for a job.
    ///

    I’ve moved around a lot, too. Upstairs & bleachers are where the most vocal reside, no doubt.

    That would be so devastating for the Stadium culture, what’s left of it. The Yankees should step in…haha, they never would, of course….besides, I guess it would be impure if they did.

  7. 108 stitches October 7th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    The way that the game has evolved, it makes anybody realize how special the Yankee three-peat of ’98 – ’99 – 2000 was.
    We may never see such a thing again. Too many things have to go right.

  8. JM October 7th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    JAP,

    Someone else will take over the roll call, I am sure. My two friends are Bleacher Creatures and they are already discussing alternatives. LOL.

  9. yanks 27 October 7th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    Could Beltran possibly be worse than Swisher in the postseason?

    Ironically, Martin is one of the worst postseason players of all-time with a .192 average in 73 appearances. Tex/Swisher are the two worst in Yankee history (among non-pitchers), and are probably up there for overall in the history of baseball too.

    So we have 3 of the worst postseason hitters in baseball history, among qualifiers, in a Yankees lineup this year. That’s nice.

  10. LGY October 7th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    Not giving Montero a chance cost us the series. /// Some would accuse you of oversimplification and over statement. I’m not one of those.

    ——-

    Have to agree. Montero already has one more RBI with RISP than Nick Swisher in their postseason careers. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

  11. Jason22 October 7th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Yeah Chad sorry, but what you said in that chat really showed a basic lack of baseball understanding, as is the case with so many baseball writers and other people like Francesa.

    If you honestly think there was not a much better chance for Montero to hit than Martin, then you need to watch their swings more often, because one guy has major holes in his swing, the other does not.

    Same with your opinion that if they can get a #2 they might trade Montero, you don’t ever trade a generational hitting talent unless your system is overflowing with similar type talent and your major league team has lots of young talent in the lineup.

    Francesa is talking all about getting hitters to hit in the post season, I don’t think these writers or him understand the basics of baseball, if you have holes in your swing, see Tex lefty, in the post season you’re going to be exposed every season, that;s why some guys can’t hit in the post season, it’s not complicated folks.

    This is why Martin is never going to hit in a big spot, and should the Yankees make the world series, he should never be playing in the National League over Montero, one guy can hit any pitcher, the other is not going to do so.

    HAHAHAHA now Francesa is talking about Montero never being anything great, he is so clueless, how do these writers and guys like him not understand what a natural swing in baseball is, really, I don’t get how you don’t see it with your eyes?

    If the Yankees trade Montero, Cashman is as dim as the rest, he is the future along with Cano for this old hitting team, the fact some people don’t see this, I just don’t understand.

  12. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    I did have a weird dream the other day.

    I’m at the home of a guy I worked for years ago with whom I had strong philosophical differences, to say the least, so there was some anxiety that I was again linked with him.

    Any way, the work we did had nothing to do with what went on in the dream, except it laid the psychologically unnerving landscape. I was at his country house, I guess (which I’d never been to). I walk in & his father (whom I’ve never met) throws me a loaf of bread from his galley kitchen. Can you make some sandwiches, he says, but not really a question, more of an imperative.

    I am like, uhh, no, although I just put the loaf down and wander down to the basement, where there’s a huge screen and like ESPN or MLB Network is on (it’s never really either, this is a dream) and I suddenly see my wife across the room, and she’s kind of shaking her head, trying to warn me or something….and there’s some guy stretched out on the sofa, already set up in front of the set, not allowing for anyone else to be on the couch.

    I say, “Where’s the Yankee game?”

    He says, “Oh, no, I’m watching the Cardinals…”

    I’m like, what?? we’re about to start and I can’t watch the game?? What am i doing in this place?

    I must have awakened then, or something. That’s all I remember.

  13. REZ12 October 7th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Why is their some hockey game on 1050? I want to hear what Kay has to say. Why is their a hockey game on at 3 in the afternoon in October?

  14. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    Yes, Joba did indeed have a strained flexor, which no one was concerned about at the time. However, hopefully Nova’s is more benign.

  15. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    Triple Short of the Cycle

    I’m not saying that he was the only reason behind the collapses but he had a part in it.

    I watched a good amount a Met games in 2007 and he was part of the clubhouse problems that had an impact on that team.

    I’m not saying the guy is a terrible player but he is a me first type player who doesn’t put the team first. I think we have had enough of those players over the 2000′s. And I don’t think the Yankees need him.

  16. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    Though I might also add that the Yankees could do without Swisher because the guy can’t produce when it counts. He is a nice guy but he can’t perorm on the big stage.

    Now if they trade Montero away then this team will be in serious trouble for a good while. That Yankee lineup is not going to get any better as A-rod get’s older as well as Jeter, and Tex.
    you have to build the lineup around Cano.

  17. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    HAHAHAHA now Francesa is talking about Montero never being anything great, he is so clueless, how do these writers and guys like him not understand what a natural swing in baseball is, really, I don’t get how you don’t see it with your eyes?

    If the Yankees trade Montero, Cashman is as dim as the rest, he is the future along with Cano for this old hitting team, the fact some people don’t see this, I just don’t understand.
    ///

    I don’t understand, either, Jason.

    I don’t understand what, or how, people watch baseball.

  18. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    In my book, a me first type of player is the one who overswings because he is all about the HR ball and never goes with the pitch or the situation. Reason why not getting Montero in there was so heinous. Aside from the obvious superior ball speed, the kid knows how to hit situationally and take what he is given. It is also what made Posada so successful in this serious. Swish on the other hand, never seems to learn…

  19. m October 7th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Looking at Carig’s tweet.

    IMO Montero is NOT getting traded.

    We have plenty of pitching and an aging offense. He’s shown he can handle pressure situations.

    Why trade him away to have to replace his offense later? I don’t care if he can’t catch, though I’m confident he can. Why trade away a bat like his?

    Pitchers come and go, but young bats like his don’t come along often. At least not for the Yankees.

  20. JM October 7th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Trading Montero for a Number 2 starter would be one of the most bone-headed moves of all time. I really don’t think it’s going to happen.

  21. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    *bat* speed *series*

  22. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    if the Yankees trade Montero for a #2 starter, they should fold up the tent and get out of baseball.

  23. m October 7th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    Now if Seattle wants to trade Felix, then I might consider it. But he seems perfectly content to play out in the boonies. ;)

  24. REZ12 October 7th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    Francesa said earlier that Romine has a better chance of being with the Yankees next year than Montero. Said Montero can’t catch and he will be used to get a big pitcher this winter

  25. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    JM October 7th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
    JAP,

    Someone else will take over the roll call, I am sure. My two friends are Bleacher Creatures and they are already discussing alternatives. LOL.
    ////

    Glad to hear the torch will be passed and into secure hands.

    Did you happen to catch BP? Montero took more than anyone. What a gorgeous, gorgeous, easy, perfect, effortlessly powerful swing. Many of of were just standing around, silently watching transfixed, with admiration.

  26. Captain Clutch October 7th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Too bad they couldn’t play the whole series with Posada at 1st base and Montero at DH.

  27. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Is there any way that the yankees can try to get rid of burnett or will they have to wait till next year ?

  28. Joe from Long Island October 7th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    Francesa is trying to stir things up. That’s all he cares about.

    For a guy who supposedly follows the Yankees, he knows very little. Forget the al alburqyerque stuff. He didn’t know joba in 07

  29. m October 7th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    Lucchino talking nonsense. About how it’s a pressure cooker and Theo’s not going to be the GM forever.

    Levine also embarrassing himself. Talking about how the season is a failure? Keep that crap inhouse, no wonder the Yankees can’t perform-so much public pressure from the front office. How about just thanking the fans for their support and a promise to build another championship caliber team?

  30. pat October 7th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    “HAHAHAHA now Francesa is talking about Montero never being anything great,”

    Not really what Francesa said. The discussion was about his potential to be great on both sides of the ball because a caller wants him at 3B.

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Aside from the obvious superior ball speed, the kid knows how to hit situationally and take what he is given. It is also what made Posada so successful in this serious
    ///

    Yankeefem, you must be very distraught to make such typos….

  32. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Montero? 3B? Um, not gonna happen…

  33. pat October 7th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    “Talking about how the season is a failure? ”

    Derek has been doing that since 2001.

  34. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Pruf, yes, watched Montero’s blasts from upper deck.

    Jeremy, we won’t be getting rid of Burnett anytime soon. Late season Burnett isn’t such a bad thing to have on a roster.

    Joe, Francesa unfortunately is as clueless as some of the people I sit around at the Stadium. And a belated deepest condolences on the loss of your beloved dog.

  35. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    I don’t know what mike is talking about. If Montero turned into Edgar martinez then I would be fine with that. Yeah it would be nice to have him play a position but with the bat and potential he has you can’t give that up.

  36. Ace October 7th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Said all yr the hr or bust offense would catch up. Sadly it did.

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Levine also embarrassing himself. Talking about how the season is a failure? Keep that crap inhouse, no wonder the Yankees can’t perform-so much public pressure from the front office. How about just thanking the fans for their support and a promise to build another championship caliber team?
    ////

    Where is this? Levine needs to be slapped down.

  38. pat October 7th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    People want Montero to be a “5 tool player” instead of being satisfied that the one “tool” he has is great.

  39. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
    Aside from the obvious superior ball speed, the kid knows how to hit situationally and take what he is given. It is also what made Posada so successful in this serious
    ///

    Yankeefem, you must be very distraught to make such typos….
    ______
    :mad:

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    For whatever reason, some – apparently way more than I could have guessed – can’t pick up the difference between a good hitter and one who is bound for greatness.

    No wonder these people make these statements. If you don’t recognize the difference, you don’t understand what you’re suggesting be given up.

    Jesus would say: forgive them, for they know not what they see.

  41. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    You keep Montero’s bat if even at DH, but he can catch as well. Doesn’t mean he has to catch day in and day out to have mega-value.

  42. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    Francesca was the one who said that the Red Sox had the greatest farm system ever and that the Yankees haven’t produced any talent.

    He would always spout off names like Hunter Jones and Micheal Bowden and he didn’t even know anything about there farm system. I know that fans will get on players for not performing but Mike doesn’t seem like a Yankee fan.

  43. m October 7th, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    pat,

    I don’t like it when Jeter does it either!

  44. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    pat, you can’t assume they even know he has one great tool. The way they talk about this guy, it’s like he’s a .260, high K, high homer type. They are clueless.

  45. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Montero couldn’t possibly play 3B.

  46. m October 7th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/polls?id=5706685

    You can submit your trash or take ballot for the current Yankees players.

    Matthews takes Hughes and Gardner. I like. :)

  47. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    Pruf, good point. Why negate the very weapon that would make you special? And the kid hits for *average* as well. Lethal combo.

  48. m October 7th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    They’re going to have to force Montero behind the plate. He can DH, but what a waste. 1B & 3B are positions emeritus at this point.

  49. Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    I don’t know if not playing Montero cost the Yanks the series.

    I do know it was very frustrating watching the Yanks need a bases-loaded walk to score only two runs in a Game 5 loss in which Montero never got off the bench.

  50. JM October 7th, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Yes, we got there in time for batting practice. In part because my friend had never seen Jesus hit before. He got a show. LOL.

    I don’t think King Felix is going anywhere. Seattle is in a weak division and could be a pretty decent team within a couple of years.

  51. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Jeremy, Mike F. *is* a Yankee fan I will give him that, but an ignorant one. It is the reason I stopped listening to him unless he has a guest on that I want to hear. I learn nothing from Francesa, unfortunately. He is like a guy in the stands that you start a conversation with then soon realize how little he knows. But having a baseball IQ is not a prerequisite for hosting a sports show. And why would he know about the farm? It is what it is. But thank God, the Yankees aren’t taking Mike’s advice when it comes to making moves.

  52. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Look at that, Mo’s got spring training on the brain too! ;)

    MarianoRivera Thank you to all my fans for supporting me & my foundation during the season, you are the best. Spring training is just around the corner

  53. spidanyc October 7th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    If CC does indeed opt out of his contract but wants to stay with the Yankees, and the Yankees are gonna do whatever it takes to keep CC in the Bronx, wouldn’t it make sense for the Yankee brass and CC to have a mutual respect/understanding and not opt out and just have the Yankees throw him an additional 2 years. That would make the most sense and make everyone look better.

  54. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    I just received a yankees.com email regarding getting ALCS ticket refunds. :(

  55. JM October 7th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    Go Mo! How many days until pitchers and catchers? ;)

  56. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    Wave you Hat

    Well as long as Girardi is manager of this team don’t expect any outside the box thinking. Joe will tell you to look at the back of the baseball cards if you asked about A-rod or Tex. They could strike out a million times with runners in scoring position and Girardi would still say he believe in them.

  57. Triple Short of a Cycle October 7th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Is Francessa still yearning for Nate Mclouth? Guy is a tool

  58. BX 12 Fordham Road October 7th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    This team is clearly on the long slow slide down….and there is little they can do with $40m tied up on the left side of the infield for the next several years. If Tex really is a .240 hitter that is problematic for the next few years….CC will hold them up for a 4 yr extension and that will look ugly in about two years….the kids are on their way but it is a team in flux as the old guard is fading fast and the kids are not going to be able to help…..the off-season will be quiet as the money is tied up. I would let Swisher walk and not pick up a $10m option on him….he will not get that money without a gun.

    Posada and Igawa come off the books for a total of what $17m? of which CC will grab

  59. REZ12 October 7th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    “We are the Yankees,” Levine told ESPNNewYork.com Friday as he and the franchise coped with being eliminated at home in Game 5 of the ALDS by the Detroit Tigers. “That is the way The Boss set it up. When you don’t win the World Series, it is a bitter disappointment and not a successful year.”

    The Yankees likely will look into the top free-agent pitcher, C.J. Wilson of the Rangers. They also could deal for a starter, but Cashman has been hesitant to give up his top prospects — catcher/DH Jesus Montero, who figures to start next year in the majors, and minor league starters Manny Banuelos and Dellin Betances.

    “It’s way too early to even speculate, do anything or talk about anything,” Levine said. “Nobody is talking about that today. Everybody is just reflecting on what took place. There is absolutely nothing today. The wound is too fresh.”

    - ESPNNY

  60. JM October 7th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    spidanyc,

    Re: CC, that’s actually what I think is going to happen.

  61. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    Triple, and “Brandon” ;) Arroyo?

  62. LockDown October 7th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    Does anyone know when Kemp will be a FA? Next year?

  63. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Levine…sigh. At least you’re always in for a good show when Hank speaks to the media. ;)

  64. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Kemp – 2013

  65. stuart a October 7th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    the yankees season is a failure is all hot air. tex will be hitting 3,4, or 5 next year and swisher will be back doing his clown act again.

    on the swisher strikeout to benoit, benoit did not throw 1 strike th ewhole ab.. not 1.

    bottom line is arod, swisher, and tex are choke artists. martin jsut cannot hit. regular seson or post season he cannot hit, is a first pitch swinger , and most of the time does not even have good ab’s.

    the yanks out stated the tigers but could not get any big hits…..

  66. stuart a October 7th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    fatcessa loved mclouth and inge also. check out inge’s career obp, makes you long for swisher………

  67. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    Girardi’s binder told him to keep Montero on the bench because Martin, Tex, and Arod would come through.

  68. blake October 7th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    Kemp will be a FA after next season…..and the Yanks will put the full court press on.

  69. BX33 October 7th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    A-Rod is a choker !

    He is the one who didn’t get it done in the clutch and we are blaming roll players like Russell Martin and Nick Swisher?

    Maybe if our $30 million dollar clean up man got a big hit once in a while, we wouldn’t be blaming lesser players or the manager !

    Can you believe that we have 6 more years of this guy under contract ? He can’t even catch up to a 95 MPH FB from the dancing clown !

    Girardi should have pinch hit Mottero for him, not the other guys

  70. m October 7th, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    You gotta hope that the Dodgers have a bad season. Bad for Mattingly, but as a true Yankee he should help us out. As a reward he can have his pick of a killer B or Nova. :P

  71. blake October 7th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    “Trading Montero for a Number 2 starter would be one of the most bone-headed moves of all time. I really don’t think it’s going to happen”

    yes at this point it really really would. I wouldn’t trade him for any pitcher now to be honest….I

    I actually feel OK about the rotation heading into next year…..assuming they get something done with Sabathia. Nova came into his own and you have to feel good about Hughes’s outings this postseason…..sure it was out of the pen and sure it was just a couple of innings…..but the ball was finally jumping out of his hand again. I think he’s gonna bust his tail this winter and come back with something to prove…..that’s 3 good arms right there. I would check into whats available…..(try to trade for Danks) but I’m ok with the rotation if they do nothing.

    The aging offense is more of an issue and Montero has to be at the center of the solution. Add Montero next year and Kemp the following year and you have a new core.

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Okay, so I’ve been thinking about this all afternoon. What did those Yankee teams between say 1996 and 2001 have that the more current Yankee teams have not had? (There probably isn’t one right answer since we did win the world series again in 2009).

    Is it an infusion of youth?

    A stellar rotation, top to bottom with no questions?

    A bullpen to die for?

    Butt-kicking offense?

    A manager who knows which buttons to push?

    All of the above?

    None of the above?

    Some of the above?

    Things I haven’t listed?

    How about a hunger to win, top to bottom?

    Again, 2009 intervened so the answer will have to be somewhat skewed – if there is indeed an answer.

    When you’re the NYY, one and out is not acceptable. Neither is ALCS and out.

    How about they had a vibrant and lucid George Steinbrenner at the helm. Has losing the George who had fire in his belly done this team in?

    I don’t have answers. Just questions.

  73. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    NotHankStein If CC opts out, I’ll finally have the money to extend Arod another 10 years!

  74. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    Oh yeah I forgot about Francessa and his love for Bronson Arroyo. I’m like this clown is average in the weak NL Central. What makes you think he can get it done at this stage of his career in the AL East. LOL !

  75. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    NotHankStein Let’s face it folks, I’m pissed. I was counting on my share of the ALCS & WS money to get me a purple jet ski. Purple is rad.

  76. jacksquat October 7th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    The 4 years remaining on CC’s current contract take him through his age 35 season. I’m not a big fan of going past 35 for big money, especially with a “big” man. Imo he shouldn’t even ask for an extension because the opt out was provided in case he did not like NY. He likes NY, by all accounts his family loves where they are.

    I wouldn’t go more than 1 more year, but the Yankees will probably cave at 2. More than 2 would be stupid and I’d let him walk. I don’t see any other team doing more than a 6 year at this point. I would even refuse +2.

  77. backbench October 7th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    Just asking…and please do not lob grenades at my ignorance…but is there a chance that Montero could be retrained as a RF to replace Swisher? I do not see Swisher’s speed or instincts in the field to be particularly noteworthy.

    I’d take a season of gaffs in the field to get Montero’s bat in the regular line up.

  78. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    Here we go with the ARod stuff… Guy is coming back from two injuries and was just starting to get in sync. I would hardly call him a “choker.” Remember 2009???

    Then you have Teix, who has been trying to make adjustments on the fly, and at least had a decent game 5. Swish, who won’t try to make adjustments and has killed us. Most heinous one in my estimate. And Martin who even if you want to insist on playing a defensive catcher over an offensive one, flat out should not be hitting in critical situations late in a game. Montero should be in and be trusted to catch because you have to have his bat in there when the game is on the line.

  79. Yank 97 October 7th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    Kemp and Hamels in ’13…. thats why Cash needs to be very careful this winter.

    Give it one more try with this group and then regardless of what happens, let Hamels and Kemp anchor the new dynasty in 2014 on.

    Grandy-Kemp-Montero-Cano in the middle of the lineup.
    CC-Hamels-Banuelos as 3 lefties in the top of the rotation (hopefully)
    Some combo of young power guys like Hughes, Nova, Noesi, Betances, etc. manning the back end.
    Burnett in the pen as a 7th inning guy in the final year of his deal.

  80. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    NotHankStein While Hal takes these losses in stride, I prank call players & say “you suck”. Just can’t figure how they know it’s me. #whatiscallerid

  81. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    Montero is severely slow-footed and unagile. Cannot see him in RF ever.

  82. m October 7th, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Anything more than a 2 year extension is foolhardy imo.

  83. blake October 7th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    Basically what many were afraid of with playing the Tigers happened…..their hard throwing right handed starters and relievers hurt the Yankees lineup that is vulnerable against RHP…..it’s why even though Texas is a better team the Tigers seemed like a more dangerous matchup…..the Yankees are better than the Tigers overall…..but the playoffs is often about matchups and the Tigers were a tough one for the Yankees.

    It did further expose the biggest weakness on the team though and showed that it’s not the starting pitching…..it’s hitting good RH pitching. It’s up to the FO to address it….because it’s not a problem that’s going to go away

  84. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    What was worse for A-rod was that Benoit left a 92-94 MPH fastball right over the middle of the plate with the bases loaded and A-rod could do nothing with it. It was like Benoit was trying to give the game away to the Yankees.

    I bet you if Beltre was up in the situation it would have been game over and the Yankees would be in the ALCS. The A-rod contract will continue to haunt this team. To have 200 million locked up in a former PED using, aging third baseman is sad. Money that could have been spent more wisely, oh well !

  85. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Alex didn’t have his timing. Probably should have moved him and Swish down and moved Jorge up. Added Montero. But was never going to happen. Till later.

  86. mick October 7th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    The time to kill the myth of Yankee mystique is now.
    The pressure the fans put on players is incredible, no wonder why Tex and swish and Arod esp. tighten up in the postseason. It’s unnatural.
    As far as Yankee fans go, they to are a myth.
    Their air of superiority is hateful a, no wonder we are hated.
    Time to reevaluate ourselves and the way we look at our team.
    We haven’t been a dynasty in a long, long time…

  87. blake October 7th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Montero is going to be the first baseman in 5 years.

  88. mick October 7th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    -they too are a myth-

  89. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying A-rod is mainly responsible because Tex has been a joke along with Swisher. But A-rod will continue to be a hot button among Yankee fans because the guy makes more money than anyother player and throughout his tenure with the Yankees he has had only one good postseason. the rest have been horrible. There will always be a target on A-rod.

  90. Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    “It did further expose the biggest weakness on the team though and showed that it’s not the starting pitching…..it’s hitting good RH pitching. It’s up to the FO to address it….because it’s not a problem that’s going to go away”

    Hard to see what the front office can do immediately. All the offensive positions are pretty much set. I don’t see Jeter improving vs RHP. We have to hope Teixeira starts hitting RHP again, ARod comes back strong and the Yanks don’t platoon Montero.

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    What’s frightening to me as a fan is that the media is so utterly zeroed in on the wrong issues, almost every year, it seems.

    This is dangerous, that they don’t even sniff the central problem. The smart people in here, for example, are worlds apart in their conclusions from the party line repeated and rehashed by writers, talking heads, even ex-players who are among the most unenlightened, even though that seems odd. They don’t really pay close attention, they just pick up the talking points circling and give their “expert” slop on top of it.

    it’s frightening, because the repetition of the wrong issues makes pr wary teams nervous, and they try to correct what the perception of wrong is with the wrong moves.

    This is extremely scary territory, I would say.

  92. theREALkevin October 7th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    honestly it seems like Girardi has way too much power in terms of personnel. i get that manager’s fill out the lineup card. but this guy has multiple bosses that could overrule him. playing Russell Martin when Burnett pitches makes sense, but the other SP Montero should have caught. the Tigers don’t run at all. Montero easily could have caught, they desperately needed his bat in the lineup in this series. if he plays they win the series. period. i’m sure Martin will be back because Joe loves him, and that’s a mistake to give a manager essentially some front office power. it honestly seems like he has it.

    also, continuing to bat A-Rod cleanup was a huge mistake and should have been addressed. Joe kept trotting the same all or nothing lineup out there, win a blowout and then can’t scratch out any runs with bases loaded the next game, and it flat out killed us. he favors veteran players wayyyyy too much, except in the Posada situation and even then he immediately played Jorge again after he whined.

    if CC opts out i hate to think what their rotation will look like if they don’t retain him. but man i would seriously be tempted to let him walk. he came up really small this postseason and i don’t think anyone, outside of his run with Milwaukee, considers him a TRUE big game pitcher. consistent, 20 win, 3 ERA, yes- but he does seem to choke a little too often for his talent. he’d be getting up there in age plus it would cost a lot more $$.

    it wouldn’t have bothered me if the Yankees had lost to a better team. but i really, really don’t think the Tigers were the superior ballclub. yes they came out on top, but the Yankees should have won. they had the better team. that’s what hurts. Detroit has no chance to win the World Series, IMO. i could be wrong, but i think the NL will take it this season.

  93. Yank 97 October 7th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    Tex and Swisher inexplicably forgetting how to hit from the left side combined with the declining bat speed of A-Rod and Jeter made them very vulnerable to righties. Probably as vulnerable against a certain kind of pitching as the 07-08 group was against lefties.

    As someone said earlier, they are no longer built to take advantage of Yankee Stadium. They need some LH power.

  94. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Skipping ahead, because I just wanted to address the issue of crowd noise.

    I’ll defer to the people who were actually at the stadium. But from the vantage point of my living room, the sound at the stadium does not come through. And it is the only stadium in this season’s post season that I can say that about.

    Is it acoustics? Are the other stadia “miked up” better or differently?

    But what I really notice is that when you DO hear YS get loud it is usually AFTER something starts. Sure, then everyone is on board and cheering. But there doesn’t seem to be the same level of “proactive” yelling and screaming and shouting that serves as a distraction to the opposing team.

    There are a lot of peaks and valleys in the YS noise level. My purely anecdotal opinion after watching the other playoff games this season is that the only time other stadia get quiet is when something “bad” has just happened against their team (i.e., a three run homer against). And as silly as we sophisticated Yankees fans think they are, those towel thingies they give people actually do encourage people to be more active in their cheering. I mean – you gotta do something with the towel!

    So, as I say, if the people who were there said it was loud, I’d have to defer to them. But it doesn’t translate to the home viewing crowd, and it’s definitely a NY Thing where people wait to be pleased BEFORE they cheer, rather than cheering to encourage the entertainment. JMO.

  95. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    FakePeteGammons What’s lost in all the ALDS drama is #Redsox have won more titles than #Yankees since 2004. So there! Suck it Yankees! This is Peter Gammons

  96. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    mick

    I agree with some of the points you made. I think the reason we hold these guy to high expectations is because when you out spend many teams with a 200 million dollar plus payroll fans expect the best.

    now if the Yankees would spend their money more wisely and had a lower payroll around 150 million-180 million the expectations wouldn’t be so high and we would be more productive like the dynasty years.

    Guys like Tino, Scott Brosius, etc. could deal with pressure but Swisher, A-rod and Tex have a hard time doing it. I think the issue is that we target players who are not hard nosed, gritty, players. We need to stop throwing money around and start using the farm and going after the right people through trades and free agency.

  97. Bret The Hitman October 7th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    I dare this front office to merely replace Posada with Montero and expect a different result next year. A potential (albeit slight) upgrade at DH helps but this lineup has too many hitters whose hitting approach does not translate from the regular season to the post season.

    I’d like to dump most of the roster but that’s not realistic. Arod and Tex are not going anywhere.

    The only positions where the Yankees can upgrade is LF and RF.

    There is no conversation about changing the look of the lineup that ignores LF and RF. You have to be open to upgrading at least one if not both. Otherwise, you need to present some solution on how to upgrade a position where there’s a huge contract stuck there.

  98. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    mick – good post. What’s unfortunate is that the Yankee mantra for so long has been no world series, unsuccessful season, that many of the fans have bought into it hook, line, and sinker. Those four dynasty years were magical but they may have just been a baseball aberration. Maybe the Yankees of old are just that. They were teams that were playing for the love of the game, without free agency and huge money incentives.

  99. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    I am glad to hear that Nova’s injury is not severe and should heal over the winter. Tough break for him with respect to yesterday. He’s a good kid, highly motivated and fun to watch.

  100. Mike_Boston October 7th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    I really don’t see the harm in saying this season was a failure because it was. Sure some fantastic things happened but let’s face it, anything short of a pennant with the talent on this team is certainly a failure no matter how you slice it. It doesn’t take away from how much success and fun they gave us this year but they didn’t achieve their ultimate goal so that is a failure. I’m not a Levine fan in the least but he’s right in this case and was simply stating the obvious.

    As far as Nova goes, I will spin this to the fact that even if they got the big hit last night and won the game they still would have lost the ALCS unless some very strange things happened. Teams don’t just lose their #2 to open a 7 game series and win, it doesn’t happen. I was as big a Colon fan as there was this season and defended him every chance I could on this site, who knows maybe the week off would have helped but clearly he was not the same guy in the 2nd half.

    Finally this Montero for a #2 talk is a bunch of media driven nonsense! When will people get it through their thick heads? Cashman only offered him for Lee and Doc, that’s it. It’s not like he’s been dangled for everyone and their brother, 2 top flight aces period. At this point I wouldn’t trade him for anybody, but that’s just my opinion. I put him with Cano and don’t even think about your 3/4 for the next decade. They will be Manny/Ortiz sans juice.

    Mike F is a freaking buffoon!! Why anyone would even give him more than a second’s worth of thought really blows me a way. He gets paid to stir sh*t and the more people talk about him the more $ he makes. It’s yellow journalism circa ’11 in it’s purist form.

  101. backbench October 7th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    Is there any correlation between CC’s late season performance drop off and Cervelli not being available to catch?

  102. Triple Short of a Cycle October 7th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    A potential (albeit slight) upgrade at DH helps

    —————————————————

    You don’t really believe Montero is a slight upgrade at DH over Posada do you?

  103. BX33 October 7th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Bret,

    For the prices they charge, Reyes, Pujols or Fielder better be on the team next season. They also need to upgrade from Swisher and Gardner. Figure out what to do with Alex (who is shot), give Tex an ultimatum that he must fix his swing or will be benched, and they must upgrade their rotation.

    This is on Cash to demonstrate some creativity. He supposedly has a deep farm, go out there and upgrade RF/LF with some young talent. Trade Swisher for some prospects as well like we did with Sheffield. Find a legit #2 starter and stop relying on lightening in a bottle or the 2006 Phil Hughes to come out of hiding.

    Proactiveness will determine how successful we are this winter. Cash has to take some risks and shake up the team, namely the lineup. Theo and Boston will be scouring the baseball globe looking for ways to upgrade and shake up his team, Cashman needs to do that as well and not let Theo outsmart him considering both team have similar needs (RF, DH/C, starters, etc.)

  104. Nick in SF October 7th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Well, I just did my small part to fight back against an unjust world.

    I arrived at a 4-way stop sign at about the same time as a car with Mass. plates. The other driver thought he was going to go first. No way. He looked hurt when I drove through the intersection.

    Of course he was a white guy with massive dreadlocks and probably wouldn’t know a baseball bat from a didgeridoo, but just the same, I was not letting him go first.

    Sigh.

  105. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    m -

    I couldn’t decipher Marc Carig’s tweet. was he saying he thought Montero would or would not be traded?

  106. luis October 7th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    Okay, so I’ve been thinking about this all afternoon. What did those Yankee teams between say 1996 and 2001 have that the more current Yankee teams have not had? (There probably isn’t one right answer since we did win the world series again in 2009).

    Is it an infusion of youth?

    A stellar rotation, top to bottom with no questions?

    A bullpen to die for?

    Butt-kicking offense?

    A manager who knows which buttons to push?

    All of the above?

    None of the above?

    Some of the above?

    Things I haven’t listed?

    How about a hunger to win, top to bottom?

    Again, 2009 intervened so the answer will have to be somewhat skewed – if there is indeed an answer.

    When you’re the NYY, one and out is not acceptable. Neither is ALCS and out.

    How about they had a vibrant and lucid George Steinbrenner at the helm. Has losing the George who had fire in his belly done this team in?

    I don’t have answers. Just questions.

    ——————————————————–

    Hi trish, i will try to answer them as best as i can:

    1) Yes, the new core came up in those years

    2) the rotation was good but wasn`t perfect either, but they had heart

    3) the best bullpen ever, but this years bp was very good as well

    4) this is the main difference in my opinion, the offense was comprised of great situational hitters almost top to bottom, there was some power, but mainly great batters.

    5)Meh, never been a fan of Torre, especially after the book

    6) the current version has some comon traits with the dinasty teams, but not all, this team has a great BP, but not as good as the dinasty. the dinasty had better versions of the current core and better role players as well, the main difference would be the situational hitting ability of the dinasty team that this team lacks. the rotation was far better in those years, the drop off from the ace to the rest of the rotation was minimal, and every pitcher had potential to throw a gem on a consistent basis.

    Finally, The dinasty is the result of George being out of baseball for a while, he had fire and drive to win, but not great baseball smarts, this sustained run of success we`ve had is the result of Gene michael`s and to a lesser extent cashman`s doing.

  107. Bret The Hitman October 7th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Triple,

    If your plan is to replace Posada with Montero, how is the offense much different from the one who just got bounced in the first round because they left a small island of baserunners on base?

  108. Triple Short of a Cycle October 7th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    When will people get it through their thick heads? Cashman only offered him for Lee and Doc, that?s it

    ——————————————————————————-

    and Ubaldo

  109. Mike_Boston October 7th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Hey Nick,
    I’ve got Mass plates, no dreadlocks though, and I’m as a big a NYY fan as there is. Don’t judge a book…however I am smart enough not to put any NYY items in/on my car, inviting some coward sox fans to fire away at it when I’m not there.

  110. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Wave Your Hat -

    We can never know what Montero would or would not have done, or for that matter ANY of the bats on the bench. but I think most of us were bewildered that in the 7th/8th innings, something wasn’t tried. AFter not scoring with the bases loaded back in the 4th, it’s unsettling that they couldn’t do it a second time. Swisher should have been PH for there. I wouldn’t have PH for Tex (and at least he worked a walk) and you just don’t PH for ARod. But Swisher?

  111. JobaTipsHisCap October 7th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    should CC opts out, besides Yanks, which other team will sign him?
    I’d say probably only sux? since CC needs bigger $ than his current contract.

    If so, yanks need to stay put, eventually it’s very very possible no team will sign him, or he gets less money.

  112. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Nick- :lol:

  113. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    trisha
    I disagree with the dynasty years being an aberration. Those teams were just that dang good.
    You had smart baseball people that stuck with players in the farm system which led to the Core 4 and built the team with smart trades and FA’s who had a proven track record of being hard nosed players who could handle pressure.

    You could see the difference between the yankees of the past and the Yankees of 2004-2011.

  114. Bret The Hitman October 7th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    BX33 October 7th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Bret,

    For the prices they charge, Reyes, Pujols or Fielder better be on the team next season. They also need to upgrade from Swisher and Gardner. Figure out what to do with Alex (who is shot), give Tex an ultimatum that he must fix his swing or will be benched, and they must upgrade their rotation.

    This is on Cash to demonstrate some creativity. He supposedly has a deep farm, go out there and upgrade RF/LF with some young talent. Trade Swisher for some prospects as well like we did with Sheffield. Find a legit #2 starter and stop relying on lightening in a bottle or the 2006 Phil Hughes to come out of hiding.

    Proactiveness will determine how successful we are this winter. Cash has to take some risks and shake up the team, namely the lineup. Theo and Boston will be scouring the baseball globe looking for ways to upgrade and shake up his team, Cashman needs to do that as well and not let Theo outsmart him considering both team have similar needs (RF, DH/C, starters, etc.)

    **********

    I agree with all this but I don’t think Cashman will operate with the necessary urgency and I think fans of his are very good at making excuses. They’re always content with patchwork because they know damn well that’s all Cashman has to offer – patchwork.

  115. JobaTipsHisCap October 7th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    cashman is way overrated, just look at the starting rotation when season began.
    he put everything on signing Lee, no backup plan or something.

  116. Mike_Boston October 7th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    I agree that at least 1 PH should have been used last night. That’s my biggest problem with Joe this year. He’s loyal to a fault. Swish and/or Martin never should have came up in those big spots late in the game. Otherwise I can’t complain, he sure knows how to handle a bull pen, but man leaving Montero’s bat on the bench last night was like a dagger to the heart.

  117. Nick in SF October 7th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Mike_Boston, I knew it wasn’t you.

  118. luis October 7th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Guys,

    The main reason we lost ,is because of Girardi`s inability to feel the in-game situations, and to a loyalty to his players that borders stubborness.

  119. Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    “What’s unfortunate is that the Yankee mantra for so long has been no world series, unsuccessful season, that many of the fans have bought into it hook, line, and sinker.”

    You can’t sell $1500 Legends seats unless you sell people that the team is going to the World Series. That’s the essence of the Yankee brand.

  120. Triple Short of a Cycle October 7th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    If your plan is to replace Posada with Montero, how is the offense much different from the one who just got bounced in the first round because they left a small island of baserunners on base?

    ————————————————————-

    I didn’t say that was the only plan but that is all they will likely do. There are no corner outfielders on the market so Swish and Gardner will be here and the rest of the lineup isn’t going anywhere. What would you like them to do sign Fielder to DH and do what with Montero?

  121. Chip October 7th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    I for one fall into the latter category – I had fun this summer and look forward to next year. I’m not bitterly depressed.

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......ost-years/

  122. Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Girardi should have pinch hit Montero for ARod, but we all know in the real world that’s a fantasy.

  123. luis October 7th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Villa,

    We lost that game in the 4th inning, he should have brought montero to bat for Martin in that spot, regardless of results

  124. Against All Odds October 7th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Theo might not even be the Sox Gn this winter and the Red Sox have major issues compared to the Yankees

  125. JobaTipsHisCap October 7th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    they choked well last night.
    it’s hard not to win that game.

  126. Chip October 7th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    “What’s unfortunate is that the Yankee mantra for so long has been no world series, unsuccessful season, that many of the fans have bought into it hook, line, and sinker.”

    You can’t sell $1500 Legends seats unless you sell people that the team is going to the World Series. That’s the essence of the Yankee brand.

    ————-

    Also, and this is just a reality of life, everything in New York City is more expensive. Movie tickets, dinner in restaurants, drinks in bars…you are always going to pay more in NYC.

  127. Mike_Boston October 7th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    What the hell is wrong Garder??? He’s only the best fielding LF in all of baseball and was one of the few bright spots in this last series. Swish I will give you, but Gardner, not even close. You keep him where he is and be happy at how many runs he saves you and how much of a pest he is offensively.

  128. JobaTipsHisCap October 7th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Against All Odds October 7th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Theo might not even be the Sox Gn this winter and the Red Sox have major issues compared to the Yankees

    does it mean 2012 will be another year for yankees to win division and lose in the first round?

  129. Bret The Hitman October 7th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle October 7th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    I didn’t say that was the only plan but that is all they will likely do. There are no corner outfielders on the market so Swish and Gardner will be here and the rest of the lineup isn’t going anywhere.

    ***************

    So basically, you believe the Yankees will return nearly the exact identical lineup next year and expect a different result? Are the fans gonna fall for that bull?

  130. BX33 October 7th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    cashman is way overrated, just look at the starting rotation when season began.
    he put everything on signing Lee, no backup plan or something.

    ————

    yep

    and Now he is at the mercy of CC who was mediocre in the 2nd half and postseason.

    would love to see him let CC walk, let him spend the rest of his career playing for the nationals. but he won’t, he’ll give him another 6 years and pay him through age 39.

  131. GreenBeret7 October 7th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    This fits quite a few in here, so just ignore it.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    @Ledger_Yankees
    Marc Carig If you’re an idiot, don’t bother reading this. You won’t understand.

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......um=twitter

  132. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Joelsherman1 Nothing official, but heard last night and today that Eric Chavez is leaning heavily toward retirement #Yankees #A’s

  133. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Luis

    The rotation of the Dynasty years though not flashy like the braves of the 90′s was the definition of clutch.

    David Wells, Andy P, Orlando Hernandez, David Cone, Roger Clemens, Jimmy Key. Those guys you could count on in the postseason in big situations more often than not. The Yankees haven’t had a solid rotation since 2003.

    I also agree that thwy had more contact hitters than feast or famine hitters like we have now.

  134. Yanks78 October 7th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    So basically, you believe the Yankees will return nearly the exact identical lineup next year and expect a different result? Are the fans gonna fall for that bull?

    ——

    Based on the postseason crowd enthusiasm, doesn’t seem like they fell for it this year either.

  135. tomingeorgia October 7th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    I’m still in quasi-mourning mode, but I’m not worried about the club. I believe there are about 129 days between now and Pitchers and Catchers, plenty of time for a multitude of Chip’s trade proposals, the CC drama to play out, and there is still baseball to watch for another week or two. I’ve taken great pleasure from this season, and next year will be even better. C’est la vie.

  136. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    mick -

    Excellent point. The dynasty was a decade ago. And the baseball landscape has changed.

    I do think it is good that our team has the goal of a WS each year. Most excellent teams should and probably do, as well.

    Baseball has set it up so that there likely will be no more dynasties, and Yankees will have the honorific of being the last one. One reason why I don’t think we ever see the ALDS go to 7 games is because the 5 game set-up helps a little to skew the result to the “crapshoot” variety.

    I also think it is something that should be kept in mind – the Yankees are undergoing a changing of the guard, and yet they are still contending, still had a chance to get to the WS this year. They fell probably one hit short. Kind of amazing. How many other teams can be in transition and win the most games in their league?

  137. Triple Short of a Cycle October 7th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    As far as disappointments go for a team that makes the playoffs pretty much every year for the last 15 or so years it is one to lose in the first round. I don’t need to win the world series every year but I do need to win 1 round more often then they do.

    for a team like Tampa or Arizona then no of course it isn’t

    Just 1 playoff round thats all i ask for

  138. JM October 7th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    I actually enjoyed this season much more than last year…..Jeter and Mo’s milestones, the kids coming up and contributing, Posada’s division-clinching hit, Garcia and Colon’s contributions, DRob turning into a monster.

    This whole “we must win or the season is a failure” takes all the fun out of baseball. Enjoy the ebb and flow of the season, the playoffs are always a crapshoot.

  139. REZ12 October 7th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    “Girardi should have pinch hit Montero for ARod, but we all know in the real world that’s a fantasy.”

    Nobody will say it, but it’s true. A-Rod showed nothing to indicate he could handle a hard 95+ MPH in like he got from Benoit/Valverde.

  140. Chip October 7th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    when CC opts out – here are the teams I see as potential suiters:

    Philly: Oswalt, Rollins, Lidge, all come off the books so they have plenty of money

    Nationals: Have wanted to be big players in FA each year – they have the money to do it.

    Rangers: Went toe to toe with the Yankees for Lee last year and never spent that money. With CJ Wilson as a FA they have a need.

    Seattle: Plenty of money and could put CC in the rotation with King Felix and Pineda and build something very special out there.

    Teams who may not have the room to get him, but I wouldn’t be shocked if they did:

    Boston: Lots of money tied up in Dice and Lackey and front end pitching is not really a problem for them with Lester, Beckett and Clay. But they could not only help themselves but also hurt the Yankees by moving on him

    Angels: I think the Vernon Wells contract addition blasted any financial wiggle room they had – but they could make something happen – Pinero and Kazmir come off their books.

  141. mick October 7th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Jeremy and Trish,
    The dynasty years were established in the 20-mid60′s not 1996, but you guys know this.
    What the financials were back then, well we prolly had the highest payroll then too.
    The mid 90′s “dynasty” had more gritty players, less superstars, as we were in our infancy. The way our system is set up we will always go after the high profile player and overpay. We might develop a few players along the way but depend on superstars to succeed. I can’t see this system changing. Our fans expect the best and mngmnt gets it for them, as they know winning and stars lead to revenue. How can this ever change and do we as fans want it to? It’s a vicious cycle without guarantees, other than regular season success. Anything can happen in a short series…

  142. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    JM October 7th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
    I actually enjoyed this season much more than last year

    *******************************

    JM, I did too. Awesome regular season, disappointing post season. ;)

  143. Pat M. October 7th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Villa Nova Ya……Players say that the new Stadium is incredible but as you illustrated in your post it’s not as intimidating as the old yard……..Mick great post, just judging from the climate here ever since they won in 09, it’s apparent that there is a segment of the fan base that is far more arrogant and less knowledgeable of the game and what takes place on the field…….Only a person who never really played sports would just throw around the choke label so cavalierly…..Say that to a player and you get your tail kicked…….

  144. luis October 7th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Jeremy,

    Yes, it was an incredible team to watch…..That`s why i think we should be thankful, because those kind of teams are going to be harder to piece together in the future

  145. GreenBeret7 October 7th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    So now a 3.44 ERA since the break, 3.08 in the last month and 2.45 over the last 2 weeks is now mediocre?

    Looks like the most mediocre thing around here is some of the posting IQs

  146. Melk Man October 7th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    George’s worst move was building the new stadium. It sapped away Yankee mystique and aura.

    We now play in a hotel or shopping mall. We are basically the Trop except outdoors, more amenities, and more fans. We have 0 atmosphere.

  147. Triple Short of a Cycle October 7th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    So basically, you believe the Yankees will return nearly the exact identical lineup next year and expect a different result? Are the fans gonna fall for that bull?

    ——————————————————-

    Coming into the year after we lost Lee and Andy I never expected to win the world series but also I didn’t even know we would make the playoffs so all and all they exceeded my expectations. Each year is different but the lineup will by and large

  148. Mike_Boston October 7th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    Anyone complaining about the rotation this year clearly wasn’t paying any attention.

  149. Bret The Hitman October 7th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    The Yankees might as well host their home games at the wild and rowdy Waldorf Astoria.

  150. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    GB7 -

    Thanks for linking that article. I, for one, really enjoyed the ride the Yankees gave us this season. A lot of special moments; a lot of unexpected good things; a peek into the future.

    I was upset during last night’s game when they couldn’t score with the bases loaded twice. I’d be lying if I said otherwise. It is disappointing.

    But today really is a new day, and while I like to discuss why didn’t Girardi use his bench, my mood is already lighter and looking forward to Pitchers and Catchers.

  151. Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    “when CC opts out”

    The Yanks need CC, but if the choice is giving him two or three extra years at the same money per year or letting him go, I’m not sure the extension is a long run winner. On the other hand, without him the immediate future looks bleak. Tough call IMO.

    However, I don’t think CC is in the absolute top rank of pitchers right now. I’m not sure he has quite as much leverage as he had.

  152. luis October 7th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    GB7, and Mike,

    If you are refering to me, i wasn`t complaining i was just comparing this rotation against the dinasty rotation

  153. PittsburghYankeeFan October 7th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    This was a fun season–a lot better than it should or could have been. The Yankees managed to get 97 wins with sketchy pitching at the start of the season.

    You have to be philosophical. One thing I am learning over the years of watching this team is that teams are built for 162 games. Baseball is a sport of the absolute top being .600. That’s why the playoffs, especially with this 3 tiered thing now, are such a crapshoot. Someone said before that the accomplishments of the 98-00 Yankees will likely never be repeated, and I think that’s right in this day and age.

    Also, with advanced metrics and scouting, the teams (at least the good ones that make the playoffs) are much more even. Look at this year. 3/4 series come down to game 5, which as we just saw last night, can go either way.

    Are the Tigers marginally better than the Yankees this year? Maybe, and maybe in a 7 game series instead of a 5 game series the Yankees would have won. 5 more feet on the Jeter ball in the 8th, or ARod having better timing on the meatball from Benoit in the 7th (the one he fouled right back to the screen), and the Yankees would be playing on. Nobody lay down, and this one was fought until the last AB.

    It’s better than having the greatest collapse in ML regular season history, by a bunch of overpaid losers 200 miles to the northeast.

  154. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Mick

    Great post. Yeah the Yankees have always spent a lot of money but it seem like they spent more wisely in the past. Since then not so much and I agree that it will be hard to change the culture because it is ingrained world series or bust.

  155. RMS October 7th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Though I might also add that the Yankees could do without Swisher because the guy can’t produce when it counts. He is a nice guy but he can’t perorm on the big stage.

    ————————————————————————————
    Alex, Tex, Swisher were terrible in the post season. You are stuck with Alex and Tex with their huge contracts. I would let Swisher go and use Nunez as my rightfielder. Let him play right in winter ball and spring training. He is faster, has a good arm and will be better than Swisher. Let’s see what he’s got.
    If they don’t sign a back-up infielder, use Pena.

  156. Yanks78 October 7th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    “So now a 3.44 ERA since the break, 3.08 in the last month and 2.45 over the last 2 weeks is now mediocre?”

    —————

    look at his numbers since the Seattle start. That is when he started going downhill, not after the ASB.

  157. m October 7th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Villa,

    I’m not sure how tweets work, but it looks like Carig is saying don’t dismiss the idea of Montero being traded.

  158. luis October 7th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Wave,

    he does have leverage, there is nothing in the FA market worth a spit

  159. GreenBeret7 October 7th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    i wasn’t referring to anyone by name. They and everyone else knows exactly who it was referenced to.

  160. m October 7th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Unfortunately CC has a ton of leverage. He’s been good for one. And we need an ace for two.

  161. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Luis

    Yeah those years were special. And I agree we should always remember them because we most likely will never see it again.

  162. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    IMO, Citifield is a shopping mall. I’ve been to both new stadia (ums). The Yankee Stadium, the attraction is still on the field. At Citifield, you could spend the entire game up in the food area (whatever they call it) and walking around literally shopping.

    Have you been to AT&T park in SF? The Nationals’ stadium in Washington DC? Heck of a lot more off-the field things to do in these parks than in YS.

    To call YS a shopping mall is a gross exaggeration, IMO.

  163. m October 7th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    And even if there was an ace on the market, I don’t think the Yankees would play hardball with him like they did with Alex. Well, like they pretended to. :mad:

  164. Bret The Hitman October 7th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    I don’t think the front office will have a problem cutting ties with Sabathia.

    After missing the playoffs in 2008, the Yankees were stuck in the middle of a nearly decade-long World Series Championship drought. They crawled to CC on their hands and knees and overbid every other team by a longshot.

    This time is much different.

    The Yankees just won it all in 2009. They already got their money’s worth out of CC. They don’t need him in the same way now that they did after 2008.

  165. LGY October 7th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    However, I don’t think CC is in the absolute top rank of pitchers right now. I’m not sure he has quite as much leverage as he had.

    ———————

    It certainly looks like he cost himself quite a bit of money the past couple months.

  166. Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Sure CC has leverage. He’s a great pitcher and the Yanks need him. I was just saying when the Yanks signed him he was a top three starting pitcher. I don’t think he is now and I think the Yanks may hesitate on a two or three year extension.

  167. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    m -

    Thanks. I really couldn’t tell if it was him saying that or someone saying that in reply to him. Straight tweets are easy; it’s when they get all hash-marked up that they start to get confusing.

  168. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Chip-I also expect CC to opt out, but still think he won’t sign with anybody but the Yankees.

    I just really hope they can get something done quickly so it doesn’t drag on all winter.

  169. Yanks78 October 7th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Seattle and LAA have no need at all for CC. Whatever money they have need to go towards offense. It makes 0 sense for them to spend $100+ million on pitching when those guys already have 2 studs at the top of their rotation each.

    Rangers can’t afford Wilson AND CC each at 100+ million

    Boston? Perhaps. Don’t know if they want to take a chance on another $100 million dollar guy and they have a lot of raises to guys like Gonzo, Ellsbury, etc. but possible.

    Dodgers are in bankruptcy and the Giants have 0 need for him. So rule out 2 more WC destinations.

    Cubs, perhaps.

    Is CC really going to a team like the Nationals?

    I’d say the Cubs and Red Sox are most likely.

  170. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    And I’m off-have a good evening all.

    Go IPK :)

  171. luis October 7th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    YS is a very nice stadium, but i miss the old one….miss the smells, the noice and the ghosts!!

  172. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    I want to add to what I said about the other parks – “not that there’s anything wrong with that.” :)

    AT&T Park is a great place to visit. While I was disappointed in the Nationals’ stadium, other people have enjoyed it. And Citifield was really nice – a big improvement over Shea.

  173. Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Put me in the camp that likes the Nationals’ park.

  174. luis October 7th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Wave,

    Doing that, is basically declaring a rebuilding period

  175. MaineYankee October 7th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    GreenBeret7 October 7th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
    This fits quite a few in here, so just ignore it.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    @Ledger_Yankees
    Marc Carig If you’re an idiot, don’t bother reading this. You won’t understand.

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports……um=twitter

    ———————————————————-

    I’m still trying to figure out why you read that then. :?:

  176. LGY October 7th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    At the end of July it looked like the Yankees were going to have to hand CC a blank check.

    2 months of mediocre regular season pitching, a poor October showing, and an additional 30 or so pounds complicates things.

    They will re-sign him but these negotiations could a little messy now.

  177. Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Luis-

    I know, and the Yanks don’t do rebuilding. But with an extension, think about 2016 and 2017 with all that money in ARod and CC.

    Well, not my decision.

    Have to run.

  178. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    m –

    And he’s our lone lefty starter for three.

    ****

  179. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Sabathia is one of the best in the game but he is being paid more than Halladay, Lee, and Verlander and he is not better than those pitchers.

    I think some people are saying that CC has been average at best in his postseason career and that 2009 was the exception. It would be one thing if CC asked for more and has been lights out in the postseason since becoming a Yankee but he hasn’t.

  180. JM October 7th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    Old YS was a historic site, too, not just the home of all those Yankee championship teams, but also the Giants played there (including the so-called “greatest game ever played), Joe Louis and Muhammed Ali fought there, Notre Dame beat Army there (let’s win one for the Gipper).

    I don’t really mind the new stadium but I miss the old one, even though it was cramped and crowded sometimes….but there was something special about it.

  181. Yank1 October 7th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    In 08, CC had one of the best half seasons of all-time, just pitched like 5 times on 3 days rest and was 28. He doesn’t have that kind of leverage this time around, IMO. Especially coming off this finish and being 3 years older and looking much heavier in the 2nd half.

  182. Against All Odds October 7th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    @ Jobatipshiscap maybe.

  183. mick October 7th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    This is the culture of Yankee fandom. It’s all or nothing and that will be hard to break, we are just wired that way. Is that a bad thing? I don’t know but , for me, it has gotten “easier to lose,” as time goes by, maybe I have gotten used to it. Sore loser Yankee fans are still there but they are a dying breed. No matter what, today’s younger fan cannot feel the way old-timers did when their team lost. Imagine growing up over a 40 year time period where you lost maybe twice a decade.

  184. Bret The Hitman October 7th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    There’s a huge difference between what Cliff Lee accomplished before his free agency and what CC did in the last 2 months and in the playoffs. When you’re hot you’re hot when you’re not you’re not. If CC wants to be a bully about money I hope he gets the door slammed in his face. If you opt out, you stay out.

  185. GreenBeret7 October 7th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
    GB7 -

    Thanks for linking that article. I, for one, really enjoyed the ride the Yankees gave us this season. A lot of special moments; a lot of unexpected good things; a peek into the future.

    I was upset during last night’s game when they couldn’t score with the bases loaded twice. I’d be lying if I said otherwise. It is disappointing.

    But today really is a new day, and while I like to discuss why didn’t Girardi use his bench, my mood is already lighter and looking forward to Pitchers and Catchers.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    128 days until pitchers and catchers report.

    V. Nova, even if NY had won last night, they were in deep trouble with Ivan Nova being out for the rest of the season. That NYYs were able to accomplish as much as they did with a quiltwork pitching staff over the year is nothing short of amazing. Boston tried it and fell flat on their smug faces. Detroit did well over the last 5 games, but, if Young is out for any length, they too are in trouble. Next year, getting Hughes back on track for the full season to go with Sabathia and Nova will be a good start. Whether they add Garcia or back is another issue. The system has 3 just about ready rookies to chose from, besides Noesi. They could go after CJ Wilson, though I think it might be a mistake. Trading Montero for a second line pitcher is certainly no answer. They need the bat to replace Posada’s bat. Fans are about to find out just what he meant to this team, besides on the field. I think he gets an invite back to be the left handed bat on the bench.

  186. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    WYH -

    You didn’t think there was too much concrete in DC? That was the impression I was left with. Plus we drove and directions to the parking lot we needed, well, let’s just say we had a difficult time.

    The other thing I didn’t like was they didn’t have a permanent out-of-town scoreboard. They did have cheerleaders, though! LOL

    I did like their concourse within the stands on the lower level. Nice nostalgic touches in there.

  187. mick October 7th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    All the talk about the stadium is just that, talk. Who really cares that much about where you play? I would go to a parking lot or an open field to watch major league baseball. I ignore most around me except for the game. Now the fans are another thing.As long as they are enjoying the game I can’t complain, it;s the extracurriculars that annoy me. The game is the thing.

  188. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    The thing is that CC has showed that he can get it done in the regular season but against good teams expecially in the postseason he can’t get it done. In 2009 he finally had a good postseason after numerous failures.

    Also when he pitched the Brewers into the postseason he got lit up against the Phillies. The point I’m making is that CC is good but not the best pitcher in the game. If Halladay was on this team and asked for more money I would be okay with it.

  189. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    From the Star Ledger:

    After the game, Posada lingered on the top step, experiencing it all again.

    “I think that at the end he was start getting into it and enjoying it,” Mariano Rivera, his longtime teammate, said. “I feel for him because he went through tough times this year and he hung in there. At the end he shined like a star, like the star that he is. Besides that, if he comes back, we will wear the same uniform again. If he doesn’t, I will wish him the best. I will love him no matter what. My love for him is unconditional.”

  190. Against All Odds October 7th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    @ Bret and if that happens the Yankees won’t finish above 3rd next yr

  191. m October 7th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    I can’t use Nova’s injury as any kind of “salve”. You want to advance and take your chances. We got surprise performances from AJ and the lower 1/3 of the lineup (for the most part). Who knows what can happen?

    Anyway, things happen or in the case of the Yankees, they don’t happen.

    The season is over as far as I’m concerned. I can’t dwell on it.

    I know we don’t all agree on the subject, but I like what Cashman has done and hope he’s signed soon. Like before we can talk to players.

    What’s the schedule as far as talking to your own free agents and then free agents from other teams? And offering arbitration etc?

  192. luis October 7th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    GB7,

    Sorry to cut in, but montero is not going to replace posada`s bat, he is going to protect Cano in the not so distant future….having said that, i agree that the pitching is a strengh no a weakness

  193. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    GB7 -

    I think especially if the Rangers make it to the WS CJ Wilson stays with Texas, and probably does anyway. They are creating a team culture there, I think, with Nolan Ryan at the helm.

    I like the minor league pitching depth and I like the fact there will be a pitching competition in spring training.

    I hope they seriously consider a position for Posada. They may have to get creative with the bench, but again, like CC, provides more than just on-the-field support for the team. Sounds like Chavez won’t be back. Maybe Posada puts in some hitting work in the off-season to address some issues. But I’m not counting on it. I think Girardi wants to put the book back on the shelf. It was a difficult situation to manage and I think assumptions were made that aren’t necessarily true.

    The Yankees pitching this year and how it was handled, and how the back-up players filled in so successfully when so many regulars missed major time on the DL puts Girardi in line for a MOY consideration IMO. I know he’s not a popular guy here, and he’s not infallible, but who thought in April the Yankees would win 97 games in the regular season, leading the league and win their division?

  194. Against All Odds October 7th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    To be fair CC was on fumes when the Brewers made that run. But you made a valid point he has struggled in the PS.

  195. jacksquat October 7th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Bret The Hitman October 7th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    So basically, you believe the Yankees will return nearly the exact identical lineup next year and expect a different result? Are the fans gonna fall for that bull?

    What else can they do, reasonably? As you said yourself, the only possibilities are LF and RF. I think they might stick with Swisher one more season and then go after Kemp. I don’t think Beltran is going to sign for one year. He’ll probably want a multiyear deal that will be too much for his age. I don’t think they could sign Beltran for 3-4 and then go after Kemp the next year as well.

    You have to look for Montero to hit significantly better than Posada, Teixeira to improve from the left side, Swisher also, and A-Rod to stay reasonably healthy (yes I know you think he is done). Plus sometimes if the Yankees do it right Montero will be catching which is a big upgrade over the games Cervelli hit.

  196. stuart a October 7th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Chad you may be a little confused. Swisher is 0 for 31 with RISP in the postseason with the Yanks I think.

    Is that a small sample size or a reality?????????????

  197. LGY October 7th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    I’m already trying to mentally prepare myself for CJ Wilson in pinstripes the next 5+ years.

  198. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Too bad they can’t include a diet clause in his contract. The dude needs to lose weight.

  199. REZ12 October 7th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    “There’s a huge difference between what Cliff Lee accomplished before his free agency and what CC did in the last 2 months and in the playoffs. When you’re hot you’re hot when you’re not you’re not. If CC wants to be a bully about money I hope he gets the door slammed in his face. If you opt out, you stay out.”

    I agree . Let him go to Boston if he wants. Far better than giving him $125 million through age 37 at his weight.

    He’s not a big postseason pitcher like Lee was. Lee also isn’t reliant in velocity, has pinpoint control, and is in top physical shape. He also didn’t even really start his career full-time until 2008, so he doesn’t have wear and tear on his arm. He could pitch till he is 40.

    I don’t mean to disparage CC, but there are some flaws in him that need to be brought to the table when discussing signing him at big money into his late 30s.

  200. luis October 7th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    í´m off, later guys

  201. REZ12 October 7th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    “I’m already trying to mentally prepare myself for CJ Wilson in pinstripes the next 5+ years.”

    ehh… there could be things worse. I’d rather that than trading Jesus.

    It probably takes them out of the running for Hamels though, which would suck.

  202. Bronx Jeers October 7th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    if the Yankees trade Montero for a #2 starter, they should fold up the tent and get out of baseball.

    ————————————————

    I wonder what those Mets ticket packages start at. :wink:

    I know for a fact the food is better and the beer is cheaper.

  203. GreenBeret7 October 7th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    The only difference between the new old YS and the newest version was time. This park has only had 3 years to gain the mystery, aura and mystique. Three years to play home for the Yankee greats. how about giving the park and the players a little time to earn the mystery, m., and a. The origional YS had 50 years to build it and even then after winning it all in the first year, it took another 4 years to repeat the ultimate goal. The new old YS took 3 years to win and after one more, it took another 18 years. It was no more the original YS than this one is.

  204. stuart a October 7th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    montero will hit, can he field? we will see.

    montero by the end of the season next year can be the 3rd best hitter on the team. he is an upgrade over Podsada

  205. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    Good news on Nova, but didn’t Ben Sheets have a flexor strain?

  206. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    stuart a

    LOL !
    Swisher has been in the postseason with the A’s and Yankees and his numbers in the postseason have been horrible. The hit he had in game 4 with two runners on was his first hit with runners in scoring position.

    It’s laughable how some can continue to make excuses when the facts are in front of them. Swisher and Tex have been horrible in the postseason period !

  207. Pat M. October 7th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    GB….After the ended last night for some reason the first things I thought of was the 1980 loss to The Royals and the 2005 loss to the Angels…..Maybe it’s due to the hopes to bounce bad from the bad previous seasons….

  208. 4time October 7th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Jeremy – Someone mentioned earlier that Tex, Swisher, and Martin have the 3 worst averages in Yankees postseason history.

    They haven’t just been bad, they have been historically bad. All of them have a pretty large sample too (70+ ABs each). Martin sucked in the playoffs when he was in LA too.

  209. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    “2 months of mediocre regular season pitching, a poor October showing, and an additional 30 or so pounds complicates things. ”

    If CC is smart he will renegotiate his contract and add that he will only pitch every 5 days. It’s no coincidence that his numbers took a nosedive when Girardi instituted his 6-man rotation.

    I don’t CC can put anything about refusing to play in a nondomed Stadium in the postseason, but were it not for the freakin’ rain out, he might have ended up with a stellar postseason.

    I do think those things will be taken into account when they renegotiate his contract. If not, they certainly should be.

  210. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Pat, just getting back from work now, so I am only now responding to your post. Sure Phil has some value, but what exactly would the Yankees be looking to get for him? He’s not going to bring back a whole lot and while he looked very good in relief the last week or so, teams are going to want to see a lot more from him before they give up anything of real value. As a starter, he has a lot to prove, so no, you’re not going to get anything significant for him. As a reliever, do you ever get anything significant for a reliever?

  211. Pat M. October 7th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Jeremy, this is by no means a defense for either guy, but are The Yanks even playing in October if not for their contributions from April to season’s end ??? Answer is no !!!!

  212. Bronx Jeers October 7th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    I just got an email from Yankees.com giving me info about 2011 ALCS refund information. :sad:

  213. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    If Montero can’t field, turn him into our DH for heaven sake. We need his bat badly.

    By the way, I didn’t say Montero can’t field. But I have read a few posts questioning whether his fielding is a problem (catching being synonymous with fielding here).

  214. tomingeorgia October 7th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Of course, I’m sad the Yanks lost, if only because the teenage GMs have a reason to be here.

  215. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Pat M -

    Interesting point. Last season, teh Yankees were not healthy going to the playoffs. Tex was certainly not healthy.

    This year, the only player whose health was in question was ARod, and I think even that was more a matter of not having had enough time to get back to form, rather than being hurt (though could be wrong on that).

    So many unexpectedly good things happened, I think the mood going into the playoffs was so optimistic. And I think once the Rangers defeated the Rays, there was the feeling that the Yankees would have a chance to redeem themselves – show the Rangers who they really were. A more balanced competition.

    the fickle baseball gods thought otherwise.

  216. GreenBeret7 October 7th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Pat, those too, but, mostly the 1960 WS. NYYs out hit, out pitched and out fielded Pittsburgh and won three blowouts and lost 4 close games. The yanks had no business beating the ’62 Giants but that Giants team couldn’t hit in the close ones that year, either. It just happens. Plenty of blame to go around for everyone. Even Cano and gardner disappeared for two games.

    why so much trouble hitting this year, I don’t know. There were plenty of tough spots during the year where they all could hit and get the runs in. Just not in 3 of the last 5 games.

  217. mick October 7th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    It seems like there will be always be something in Montero’s way. A catcher, an old Arod at DH, give me a break. Just let the guy hit. Against everybody. Are you kidding me…?

  218. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Pat M.

    I agree that they contributed in the regular season but the Yankees are not focused on just trying to get to October. It’s about winning in October and you understand this.

    The fact is that the Yankees are trying to win the World Series and if Tex, Swisher and Martin can’t hit in the postseason ( and based on their records with this team and others they can’t)
    then they serve no purpose and are part of the problem not the solution.

  219. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    trisha, I have also thought they fooled around too much to give C the comfort and routine he’s accustomed to.
    ///

    C is coming back, that’s not even a question.

    Our youngsters are coming along nicely in instructs. This is what I’ll turn my attention to for the immediate future in terms of Yankee business. Can’t stand to even listen to the radio shows or TV stuff. Not because we lost, but because of how stupid everyone is.

    Hard to even think about football or any other sport. The Yankees are just special. When they go, it’s just empty for a while.

  220. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Francesca is right – how do you go about finding players that will hit in the post-season, that are guaranteed to be clutch? You can’t – it’s almost impossible. I wonder if maybe the Yankees would be better off building a team more like the dynasty team – with a few starts, but mostly interchangeable type role players. Right now they are burdened with aging players and bulky contracts – their lineup is inflexible. There’s nothing they can really do to fix the issue until Jeter leaves in a few years and Swisher is gone. I wouldn’t mind an upgrade to Gardner, but we might have to wait until one of our young OFers comes into his own

  221. Sigmund October 7th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    There’s gotta be more that two ways to summarize a season besides “success” and “failure.” The Yanks ran away with the toughest division in baseball, had the second best record in baseball, had two very memorable milestones, and beat the crap out of the Tigers in every category except luck and wins.

    How about “near success”? “Unlucky disappointment”?

    Also, for what it’s worth, I think the six-man rotation was brilliant. None of our pitchers were tired at the end of the season, and in fact the Yanks pitched amazingly well in the post season. Two runs per game fewer than Detroit (alas, that’s on average). CC was mediocre, but the sample size was small. I find it impossible to believe that he’d be better if he were more worn out.

  222. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    I would have no problem letting CC walk and taking a step back while trying to work kids into the rotation – that contract scares me to death. I’m not sure how much longer he’s going to be great – but the idea of paying him this much for another 4 or 5 years is not exactly appealing

  223. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Again, Pat M – right on. You have to get to the post-season to even have a chance. So you cannot dismiss the in-season contributions.

    It is head scratching to say the least that Tex has the numbers he has. Though, I thought he actually did okay last night. ARod just missed a pitch. Swisher just doesn’t have a good approach in the playoffs, and since I assume he’ll be with the team next season, I would hope someone (KLONG??) would address this with him.

  224. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    I find it funny that people talk about Yankee fans being frontrunners or win or else types on a blog where obsessed Yankee fans live year round. SMH.

  225. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Everyone says they’d be willing to go through a “bridge year” and let the kids develop. And then once the Kids don’t deliver like veterans, the complaints start anew. Much easier said than done for most Yankees fans.

    I do believe you, Betsy, would be able to take that step back. Most give it lip service.

  226. mick October 7th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    I can’t help to think that Montero is not Girardi’s type of catcher and that is wrong.
    Most catchers can’t hit and he should not be penalized for this.
    Let him BUC to Martin next year and when and if Martin goes down, let him catch everyday.
    Why is this so hard?
    If it is a Girardi problem then maybe he should go.

  227. GreenBeret7 October 7th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    How about a 30 day moratorium on the Hughes BS. Give the world a break for once.

  228. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    actually I should have said that the hit with two runners on in Game 4 of the 2011 ALDS was Swisher’s first hit with runners in scoring position in the playoffs. LOL !

    This guy has been in the postseason since 2006. And Like 4 train said Martin has failed in the postseason as well.

  229. mick October 7th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    I find it funny that people talk about Yankee fans being frontrunners or win or else types on a blog where obsessed Yankee fans live year round.
    ==============================
    where else can we talk about it?

  230. LGY October 7th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Ian Kennedy just put up a more competitive at bat with runners on 1st and 2nd than Swish or Martin did the entire series with RISP.

  231. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Like the patience some have with Joba?

  232. blake October 7th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    The Yankees are out but I can still root for the Phillies to lose.

    The Yankees need CC as he takes pressure off young pitchers coming up….. I think we have to remember that both times he pitched this postseason he was on 2 days rest
    ……he looked dominant in game 1 before the rain.

    Tack on 1 year and an option if he’s going to opt out…..which Im still not 100% sure he will do.

  233. mick October 7th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    I would have no problem letting CC walk and taking a step back while trying to work kids into the rotation
    ==============
    that might fly in podunk not nyc.
    this is not baltimore.

  234. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    **** you, GB. I’ll post my opinions and if you don’t like it, too freaking bad. Why don’t you go AWOL from this blog? You’re a crotchety old man who has NO tolerance for anyone else’s opinions. So, you keep complaining and I’ll post what I want……..whiner.

  235. 4time October 7th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    “Ian Kennedy just put up a more competitive at bat with runners on 1st and 2nd than Swish or Martin did the entire series with RISP.”

    And he will probably put up a more competitive effort on the mound than CC LOL!

    But yeah, I just saw that, kind of sad. Swish/Martin/Tex/ARod absolutely killed them.

  236. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Chad thinks trading Montero for a frontline starter is a good idea – boy, I think Montero has to be absolutely untouchable, even for a real ace. This lineup needs him

  237. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    OMG -

    They don’t serve a purpose????

    I’ll say again – you have to produce in the regular season to even SNIFF the post season.

    It’s weird, and unfortunate, that for whatever reason the post season has not been kind to Swisher especially (Tex has had his moments), but do you think it’s easy to get to the post season???? Tell that to the teams that didn’t get there (and especially those that just missed).

  238. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    mick October 7th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
    I find it funny that people talk about Yankee fans being frontrunners or win or else types on a blog where obsessed Yankee fans live year round.
    ==============================
    where else can we talk about it?
    ///

    the point is, you’re telling this to Yankee fans, who don’t fit your model. Therefore your model is corrupt.

  239. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    “Of course, I’m sad the Yanks lost, if only because the teenage GMs have a reason to be here.”

    ;)

    “Also, for what it’s worth, I think the six-man rotation was brilliant.”

    Not worth much. You can’t be much of a baseball follower if you don’t know that most pitchers pitch best without too much or too little rests in between starts. Their bodies get used to a routine, with certain days in the middle as their side sessions.

    So maybe the word would be “necessary” for what happened. Brilliant is rather the opposite when your top pitcher is affected adversely.

  240. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya

    I wouldn’t mind a few years of futility if it put this team on a sound path. Yeah some won’t like it but it would be better than seeing guys like Swisher, Martin, and Tex constantly fail.

  241. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Villa, I really mean it. I’m tired of chasing after these FA pitchers – it’s a viscious cycle. Ok CC was worth it, but Wilson is not CC……….AJ was not worth it (though we neede a starter, any starter, at that point). It’s never going to happen, though

  242. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    And the question is, what front-line starter would even be available? And for Montero, you’re not talking #2, you’re talking a #1. Who in this baseball world is giving up a #1 starter, unless there is an underlying problem, or if they’re going bankrupt????

  243. mick October 7th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    the point is, you’re telling this to Yankee fans, who don’t fit your model. Therefore your model is corrupt.
    ===================
    how do you know that? maybe they feel like me?

  244. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Well, that’s something, at least.

    Now, it’s gone from “If you can get Ubaldo for Montero, you have to do it,” to people realizing he’s the most critical piece of the team having an actual future that even gives starting pitching it’s context.

  245. blake October 7th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    I like the Cards in this game tonight…….Carp can pitch with Halladay for a night and the Cards have a better offense and bullpen…….and as much as I like Charlie….Larussa is a better big game manager.

    Im pulling for the Tigers to win it all now…….aside from their clown closer I like most of their players and I like their manager…..plus if you’re going to lose then at least let it be to the team that wins it all.

  246. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    vicious…….

  247. tomingeorgia October 7th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    “Small sample size”: I took statistics too (but we used a abacus), but a given situation calling for special effort, calls for a player to step up. People say there’s no such thing as “clutch”, then talk for hours about whom they want up in different situations. Give me a break. We needed clutch hits last night and didn’t get them. The players give their all, but it wasn’t enough last night, alas.

  248. 4time October 7th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    You could make a very strong case that not having Montero and Matt Holliday in the lineup last night cost them a chance at the World Series and might cost them who knows how many more in the future (and perhaps cost them last year as well, but almost certainly cost them this year).

    They must keep Montero at all costs and now figure out their alternative to Holliday. Holliday is the kind of all-round hitter that we need in the postseason.

  249. waka flocka October 7th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Here is the deal: CC Sabathia is not super human. Counting the playoffs he has thrown over 760 innings for the Yankees. I understand the concept of getting your moneys worth but not to the point where it is a detriment to your team. The last two years he has looked gassed in the playoffs. Sabathia is worth the money he makes and is going to make. The guy is an ace and those guys don’t grow on trees. The Yankees are, at best, a third place team without Sabathia at the front of their rotation. Pay the guy and focus on finding someone to ease the burden.

    And getting rid of Swisher, A-Rod, or other player you want to hang the series on isn’t helping either. The proposed Swisher for Heyward trades running around here are hilarious. Heyward has superstar potential once he fixes his swing and his idiot manage stops platooning him with AAAA ball players. Its frustrating to see him fail but Swisher was also a major contributor in GETTING the Yankees to October. I don’t even want to talk about A-Rod because its clear the guy isn’t healthy. The Yankees kept stubbornly marching him out there though and it cost them. At least he made a few good plays in the field and had some good at-bats.

  250. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    blake -

    I find it hard to believe that Leyland didn’t know that Kenny Rogers was using pinetar during the 2006 series. Based on that I don’t want Detroit to win anything.

    I’m rooting for the Brewers the whole way now.

  251. mick October 7th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    in all honesty, the regular season has become more important than the postseason. while many yankee fans feel it is their divine right to win it all every year, for mental health, look at the facts.
    other than 09 we have lost every year for the past 10.

    without a successful regular season, there is no postseason, so that comes first, and as of now is as close to a given as can be. it entertains us for 1/2 the year. what other sport can do that?

    this is how most fanbases see their team.

  252. Pat M. October 7th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Villa Nova Ya….I agree with you on the retooling / rebuilding dilemma…Just look what happened when Cashman went with the too young trio of Joba , Hughes & Kennedy …..With the expectations, the payroll they need to keep putting fannies in the seats and stay ultra competitive….It’s a tough task and only the LA Lakers have been able to maintain that level…..GB, 1960, The Stengel World Series………Besty, just relax a little……

  253. blake October 7th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    The Yanks need to find a way to make their RHP lineup as productive as their LHP lineup……or at least closer. That….not the SP is their biggest hole right now.

  254. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    The Yankees are out but I can still root for the Phillies to lose.

    The Yankees need CC as he takes pressure off young pitchers coming up….. I think we have to remember that both times he pitched this postseason he was on 2 days rest
    ……he looked dominant in game 1 before the rain.
    ///

    He did. I was there and he was really on. I don’t buy that losing that game to rain favored us. For whatever reason, we have shown we can get to Verlander, even though he’s tough.

  255. LGY October 7th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    They must keep Montero at all costs and now figure out their alternative to Holliday. Holliday is the kind of all-round hitter that we need in the postseason.

    ———————–

    I wasn’t in favor of signing Holliday a year after they invested so much money in the FA market but in light of the Crawford and Werth contracts his deal looks like a friggin bargain now.

    Matt Kemp is the only comparable talent and he is going to cost A LOT more $$$$

  256. m October 7th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    People who were saying Ubaldo for Montero were pining for a name. Because Ubaldo is not an ace.

    Right now, the only one you let him go for is Felix. Which Seattle is not going to do. First, they won’t let him go. Second, they won’t admit they made a mistake not doing the trade for Montero the first time around.

    I would say Halladay’s worth it. But he’s getting older.

    Lee is not worth it. He’s shown his true colors, and I don’t like them.

    We can get good pitching. Not always easy to find a guy who can contribute on a daily basis. That’s why guys like Jeter, Granderson, and, in his prime, Alex are so valuable.

  257. RayVT October 7th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    CC is worth 7 years & Cliff Lee money especially for the Yanks. The Yanks battled all year and faded a bit towards the end. Injuries played a big part in things not working out. 10 observations or challenges:

    2011 started with:
    (1.) Hughes as the #2 SP & he got hurt.
    (2.) Joba the 7th inning guy getting hurt & missed the year.
    (3.) Yanks lost 2 LHP if you count Marte & Feliciano.
    (4.) Posada was not available to catch all year & seemed to have some side effects 1st half of year.
    (5.) Colon faded last half as he ran out of gas.
    (6.) Martin played way too many innings behind the dish & he faded as well.
    (7.) Montero wasn’t brought up in time! At least 2 months late!
    (8.) ARod was put in at 3B right after he got off the DL. Should have been a gentle intro back as DH/Time off. His injury really set things back again.
    (9.) Jeter was not rested enough at the end of the year.
    (10.) Should not have had a straight 6 man rotation. Should have kept CC on schedule & worked the others into it. Could have pulled CC out sooner at times too.

  258. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Betsy -

    It’s definitely a year-to-year, case-to-case basis. I wouldn’t say never get a FA pitcher.

    And I’d be okay with them doing whatever it takes to keep CC, because I don’t like the alternative and I think CC brings a lot more to this team than just taking the mound every 5 (or 6!) days.

    AJ – they needed a starter to go with CC. AJ was always an inconsistent pitcher, but up until 2008, he was also a pitcher with arm trouble. It was always believed that once the arm troubles were solved, he’d be fantastic. (Heck, I remember when the Blue Jays signed him, the folks on MLB radio were going crazy about how that just put the Blue Jays on the pennant map!) And in 2008, no arm troubles, and he was fantastic. When the Yankees signed him, I believe the prevailing worry was whether he’d stay injury free. And he has. Unfortunately in the process, he kind of exposed the fact that he is an inconsistent pitcher regardless of his injury status. And the alternative was Lowe, I believe, who is not really too much better.

    You make decisions with the information available at the time, within the situations that are pertinent at the time. Too bad life doesn’t come with a crystal ball….. :)

  259. Yank 97 October 7th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    They just can’t afford to carry noodle bats like Martin and Gardner at the bottom of the order. Throw in struggles of Tex/Swish/Alex (and I think we just have to accept that the first 2 guys are just not going to ever be big time postseason performers and A-Rod is going to be 37 and plan accordingly)

    Cashman now needs to assume he will get nothing from Alex/Tex in October and plan accordingly. If he wants noodle bat Martin at C, then upgrade the corners. If he is OK with Montero at C, then upgrade DH and/or one of the corners.

    He needs to evaluate the roster this winter and realize where he wants to sacrifice offense and fill the remaining holes the best he can. The roster construction is very poor especially vs. RHP which is not ideal at all considering where they play their home games and how two thirds of starters are RHP.

  260. RayVT October 7th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    waka flocka October 7th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Totally agree!

  261. Melk Man October 7th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Totally agree about Holliday as well. He is the kind of difference maker that we need now. Look at how much $$$ Crawford/Werth got. Even Tex isn’t nearly as good offensively as good as Holliday and is making what, $60 million more?

    We missed the boat on that one. Though to be fair, I don’t think Cash thought the lineup would become as vulnerable as it has.

  262. blake October 7th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Trisha,

    I wouldn’t mind seeing the Brew crew win either……basically im cool with anybody but Texas or Philly.

    LGY,

    They need to open up the big wallet for Kemp……don’t take no for an answer. Those type players don’t hit the market at his age often and he’s a game changer. He, Montero, and Cano coukd be the core if the offense for several years.

  263. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Pat M, I’m relaxed, but I’m not going to let that putz walk all over me. However, he’s not worth any more of my time – I really should go to temple to repent treating an elder with disrespect, but I’m not going to.

  264. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Right now, the only one you let him go for is Felix
    ///

    No, you don’t.

    That would be a catastrophic error.

  265. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    villa nova-ya
    maybe my words were a little harsh but Swisher, Martin, and Tex are not part of the solution plain and simple.

    We will keep on losing in the first round as long as guys like Swisher and Tex come up in big situations. If we want to win World Series we need guys who can perform in October.

  266. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Blake, we can not count on Kemp. If he’s not going to re-sign with LA, the Dodgers will trade him………and they won’t trade him to NY

  267. m October 7th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    LF was not the problem this year. That’s why I can’t say just replace Gardner.

    Catching was the problem (if you consider 17 HR part of the problem), but that’s not an offensive position anyway.

    Plugging Montero into the DH/back up DH will give this team a boost in production imo. I always said tell me when Montero gets here. Well, I’m a convert now. He’s proven he can do it at this level.

  268. LGY October 7th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Justin Upton is so good. Wow. What a swing.

  269. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Villa, I will never criticize the Yankees for signing AJ………..I don’t mean never go after FA but enough is enough with the pitchers. They need to start developing their own good young pitchers …..Nova is a start, but if they don’t devote a year, say, to giving kids a shot, then they are going to have to go for stop gaps year after year…….

  270. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    RayVT, all good points. No. 7 stands out to me as the most egregious mistake. Poor, poor planning.

  271. LGY October 7th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    94 heat up and away, Upton extends his arms and hits a line drive over the RF fence.

  272. m October 7th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Of course, if you can find a good fielder that hits for power then yes, you sign him.

    But Gardner has a place on this team. He’s not the problem. He provides incredible value that and provides financial flexibility over the next couple of years.

    You need the Gardners, Nunezes, Jobas, Hughes, and Novas to balance out things.

  273. blake October 7th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    I wouldn’t trade Montero for any pitcher…..maybe Kershaw but thats it.

  274. Warning Track Power October 7th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Hello All-
    Took me until now to have the courage to comment here.
    The loss last nigh is very difficult to accept.
    There were so many chances to win the game, score more runs and for whatever reason luck was not our the Yankees side.

    Now I will begin my off-season baseball program where I refuse to watch another playoff game, forbid myself from watching ESPN baseball tonight telecasts, etc…..

  275. RayVT October 7th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    I hope the Yanks secure CC whether it is 6 or 7 years. I think he is durable enough to be good. CJ Wilson is the same age as CC (Nov 1980 vs July 1980), but I do not think his value would be as durable or even as good. That said, the next 2 yrs may make CJ in play with a possible trade the 3rd yr.

  276. 4time October 7th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    We know the Phillies are not going to trade Hamels mid-season next year… so he is a pretty good bet to make it to FA. Of course, like most athletes as of late, he might decide he is happy with a certain amount and take less to stay in Philly.

    Kemp… not sure. Don’t think he is going anywhere this winter. Very rarely do you see an athlete actually wanting to leave LA. A lot depends on what their ownership situation looks like. If they can’t sign him, they will probably trade him mid-season. But is Kemp a guy who is going to take every last dollar?

    We can’t always be at the mercy of these big FAs hoping that they make it to FA and pine for the most money… unfortunately, the one year that a lot of them make the open market (Fielder, Pujols, etc.), we don’t have room for them.

  277. GreenBeret7 October 7th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    betsy, you’re a 40 year old spinster and fast moving up on that “elderly” territory and sponging off of your parents. Get a life. That’s the part that should repent.

  278. blake October 7th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Id trade Montero for J Upton.

  279. GreenBeret7 October 7th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Pat M. October 7th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
    Villa Nova Ya….I agree with you on the retooling / rebuilding dilemma…Just look what happened when Cashman went with the too young trio of Joba , Hughes & Kennedy …..With the expectations, the payroll they need to keep putting fannies in the seats and stay ultra competitive….It’s a tough task and only the LA Lakers have been able to maintain that level…..GB, 1960, The Stengel World Series………Besty, just relax a little

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Stengel butchered that Series with his handling of the pitching staff, especially Ford and Ralph Terry.

  280. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    I look forward to 21 year old Montero catching and being a Yankee for the better part of his career.

    Forever would be just fine with me, though.

  281. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Wow, so how sexist are you? I guess women should be chained to the kitchen making dinner for her man, right? I guess the only goal for women should be to get married.

    Yeah, I don’t work at all…………right. I don’t earn a living, I just sit home all day and veg. Yep, I don’t believe in work……..

  282. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    I wish I knew how committed the Yankees are to Montero……..Joe seems half-hearted about him to be sure

  283. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    The way I’m looking at this season is the baseball gods kept putting stumbling blocks up for the Yankees to hurdle.

    Phil Hughes, Feliciano, Marte, right off the bat. Jeter on the DL. ARod on the DL. Chavez, performing well, goes to the DL. Joba – gone. And they got to the playoffs anyway.

    Then more stumbling blocks (the rain in Game 1 and the very weird rain that only came when Jeter and Cano had significant at-bats in Game 2, the strike zone in Game 4) in the post-season, and still they Yankees brought it back home to a Game 5.

    In Game 5, Tex hits a shot that sounded like it should have gone out; Nova, our best pitcher down the stretch gets hurt and Girardi has to start managing in the pen in the 3rd inning; Cano gets a broken bat flair that I thought should have fallen in, but it hangs up there; Jeter hits a shot in the 8th that sounded like and looked like it could go out, but falls short; Posada gets a single that is hit so hard that ARod can’t score from second base; Swisher finally gets a hit with a runner in scoring position, and that runner can’t score either.

    I think the baseball gods just plum wore out our Yankees. ;)

  284. 4time October 7th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    “Id trade Montero for J Upton.”

    Yeah, one of the few guys I would too.

  285. waka flocka October 7th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    i just read someone say Gardner has a noodle bat. did you watch the series at all? Gardner was one of the only players who actually hit!

  286. RayVT October 7th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    I agree # (7.) was the worst, but they are all integrated really. By not bringing Montero up sooner & using him as a BUC, they killed the effectiveness of Martin.

  287. hardwired7 October 7th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Cliff Lee money = $24.5M/yr

    CC money = $23M/yr

    Is there really that much of a difference when you’re at that level?

  288. LGY October 7th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Id trade Montero for J Upton.

    ——————

    I really wish Montero could play RF. It would make things a lot easier.

  289. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Jeremy -

    The problem is, how do you find those guys? You don’t know a guy “can’t” perform in the post season until he doesn’t and you don’t know if he can somewhere else, but not in NY, either. There’s no way to tell. No genetic test that can be done. And how do you explain guys who have average to below average years or are fill-in or platoon players who end up the post-season MVP?

  290. blake October 7th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Here is the list of players I would trade Montero for currently

    Kershaw
    Braun
    J Upton
    Tulo
    Kershaw
    Longoria

    That’s all I can think of.

  291. Pat M. October 7th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    RayVT……Should have had you hitting last night when the bases were juiced…You nailed it !!!! Yanks need to find a way to reduce Sabathia’s work load next season as several here have pointed out…….LGY, the big knock on Holliday that winter was his Coors Field / Oakland A’s splits……Yanks missed the boat but Cashman did swing the Granderson deal…..CB’s point about picking up Swisher’s option and then package him off this winter makes sense……He was a very good return for the investment but it might be time to spin him off….

  292. Bronx Jeers October 7th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Im hearing 40 is the new 30. :wink:

  293. GreenBeret7 October 7th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Bronx Jeers October 7th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
    Im hearing 40 is the new 30.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    For some people. for a few others, it’s the new 50.

  294. m October 7th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Betsy,

    I’m insulted for you!

  295. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    I think people are jumping to conclusions about how Girardi “feels” about Montero.

    Could be he’s being over-protective.

    Girardi has spoken twice about how impressed he was with Montero’s at-bats against Lester, and the adjustments he made. He was very complimentary after the 2 hit ALDS game.

    And there were other instances where he was asked about Montero and I thought he sounded impressed. I know he also said something early on about hitting against RHs but, again, there are extenuating circumstances here, i.e., Jorge Posada.

  296. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Pat M -

    Isn’t that what they did with Sheffield? Pick up his option and trade him to Detroit for ??

    Hopefully if they do that with Swisher (and I’m not necessarily agreeing they will), then end up with more than ???

    :)

  297. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    M, those comments were out of line, but considering the source it’s not surprising. Maybe we should give up our right to vote – certainly females have no business posting on a sports blog. We should watch soap operas and vacuum in our dresses and pearls like Mrs Cleaver.

  298. waka flocka October 7th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    why is it time for Swisher to go? because he has struggled in the playoffs? whose going to replace him? this is so asinine.

  299. GreenBeret7 October 7th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    I never said anything like that.

  300. hardwired7 October 7th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Sheffield yielded the immortal Anthony Claggett, Humberto Sanchez and Kevin Whelan.

    To be fair, Sanchez was a star in the Futures Game that yr, and Claggett and Whelan were thought to be legit bullpen arms.

  301. ET October 7th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    “why is it time for Swisher to go? because he has struggled in the playoffs?”

    He has struggled for 3 straight postseasons, is statistically the worst postseason batter of all-time now, and has a team option so it is one of the few positions we can upgrade.

  302. 4 train October 7th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    yo greenbert 7 dude wow just telling it like it is. where is mick he’d love this. she is out of control and the time has come to shut her bs pie hole. you know zip betsy chic. you are a nutcase.

  303. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Yeah, then why the comment about spinsterhood? Either way, I don’t feel like arguing – I said my piece. I hope you have a nice evening..

  304. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    RayVT October 7th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    I agree # (7.) was the worst, but they are all integrated really. By not bringing Montero up sooner & using him as a BUC, they killed the effectiveness of Martin.
    ///

    That’s my feeling as well, which is why I singled out No. 7. The lack of that move set the dominoes in motion…

  305. Gary October 7th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Villa

    Posada gets a single that is hit so hard that ARod can’t score from second base;

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I had forgotten about that play. Just looked like ARod got a bad jump and should have scored easily, the ball if I remember wasn’t really even hit right at the OF’er. That did turn out to be a big run as I think ARod didn’t score.

  306. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    No way Alex could have scored on that.

  307. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    No way ARod could have scored there. I was sitting right near third base. He had no chance to score.

  308. GreenBeret7 October 7th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    There’s nothing on the market that ?NYYs will get worth trading Swisher for. he’s been a huge help getting the yankees into the post season. Keep in mind that Posada wasn’t all that great in the majority of his post seasons, either. Swisher has more value by allowing him to leave at the end of next year as a FA. He’s worth two picks. To include him in a trade for something better will cost a lot more than just Swisher. Who are you planning on trading him for? Jason bay? That’s about what he might bring back.

  309. GreenBeret7 October 7th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Betsy, I always have a great day and a great evening.

  310. Jeremy October 7th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    It is time for swisher to go because he can be replaced. The guy is no superstar and he always comes up small in the postseason.

    I don’t know how someone can ask why should we get rid of Swish because he can’t hit in the postseason ? Yes ! We should get rid of him on that basis because the goal is to go deep into October and Swisher is not helping the team in terms of winning in October.

  311. Warning Track Power October 7th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Gary October 7th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
    Villa

    Posada gets a single that is hit so hard that ARod can’t score from second base;

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I had forgotten about that play. Just looked like ARod got a bad jump and should have scored easily, the ball if I remember wasn’t really even hit right at the OF’er. That did turn out to be a big run as I think ARod didn’t score.
    *******************************************************
    Wrong! So wrong. This right here is proof why ARod gets a bat rep.
    He broke on the ball so well.
    Problem was the line drive single was a 1 hopper, directly at the CF. Only a speedster like Garnder could have possibly scored(maybe).
    ARod is not SUPERMAN.
    Give the man a break already. I’m sick and tired of people here who post not facts, but outright lies. Stretching the truth to make a player look bad, for no good reason.

  312. GreenBeret7 October 7th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    I suupose I could remind you of who started with the “old” comments to begin with, but, we all know that answer, don’t we?

  313. ET October 7th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Thursday’s deciding Game 5 between the Tigers and Yankees earned a 6.2 U.S. rating and 9.720 million viewers on TBS, up 51% in ratings and 52% in viewership from the comparable game on the seventh day of last year’s postseason (TEX/TB G5: 4.1, 6.410M). There was no comparable game in 2009.

    The Tigers’ series-clinching win ranks as the fifth-most viewed Major League Baseball game ever on cable (regular season or postseason), behind only Rangers/Yankees Game 4 last year (9.846M), Cubs/Cardinals during the 1998 home run chase (10.622M, ESPN), Yankees/Rangers Game 6 last year (11.863M), and Red Sox/Rays Game 7 in 2008 (13.357M).

    In addition, the game ranks as the most-viewed Division Series telecast ever on cable, and the most-viewed such telecast overall since Yankees/Angels Game 5 in 2005 (13.699M, FOX).

    http://www.sportsmediawatch.co.....-on-cable/

  314. GreenBeret7 October 7th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    If that ball had been hit anywhere but straight at Jackson, Rodriguez would have scored. Nunez and gardner might have made it close, but, it wasn’t a certainty.

  315. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Exactly.

    ARod could not score on that hit because it was hit hard, it was shallow, it was hit right at the CF. No way he scores on that. It actually looked like he broke well on the ball to me.

  316. Pat M. October 7th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Villa Nova Ya……You are quite the Spin Doctor, or is it Public Relations Specialist……Yanks did have some serious obstacles this season…….It’s always been my belief that the best clubs are from April thru October 1, the 162 games bear this out….October has become a version of March Madness & the best of 5 sucks and if the Phillies get sent packing it’s going to send loud message to Selig….Forget the play in game just make all the rounds 4 of 7 ……..

  317. Gary October 7th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Warning Track Power October 7th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
    Gary October 7th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
    Villa

    Posada gets a single that is hit so hard that ARod can’t score from second base;

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I had forgotten about that play. Just looked like ARod got a bad jump and should have scored easily, the ball if I remember wasn’t really even hit right at the OF’er. That did turn out to be a big run as I think ARod didn’t score.
    *******************************************************
    Wrong! So wrong. This right here is proof why ARod gets a bat rep.
    He broke on the ball so well.
    Problem was the line drive single was a 1 hopper, directly at the CF. Only a speedster like Garnder could have possibly scored(maybe).
    ARod is not SUPERMAN.
    Give the man a break already. I’m sick and tired of people here who post not facts, but outright lies. Stretching the truth to make a player look bad, for no good reason.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Hence is the usual reaction when you offer an opinion. What I simply said was I thought he got a bad jump on the ball. My god give it a freakin break in here.

  318. Warning Track Power October 7th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    Imagine if ARod would have been sent home and thrown out?
    The media & critics here would have been wondering why he did not stay at 3rd and let the next hitter knock him in.

    The man can’t win.

  319. blake October 7th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Alex was about a step past 3rd when Jackson fielded the ball…..he would have been hosed with a goos throw……it gut cut off so we don’t know but it was a good hold. They just didn’t hit last night and missed or popped up about 15 meat balls from Fister ……Fister wasn’t good last night….the Yanks just couldn’t make him pay

  320. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    WTP, Thomson would have held him up.

    The Alex bashing, I agree, is the usual gratuitous variety from sloppy thinkers. I heard it all at the game last night around me, the word “a-hole” was the vitriol, between belches.

  321. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    IPK gets out of it.

  322. Warning Track Power October 7th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
    WTP, Thomson would have held him up.

    The Alex bashing, I agree, is the usual gratuitous variety from sloppy thinkers. I heard it all at the game last night around me, the word “a-hole” was the vitriol, between belches.
    ************************************************************************
    If Alex made all 27 outs last night, then I would be 1st in line to blame the loss on him, LOL!!

    Seriously, I totally have faith that ARod will return to 2012 with vengeance. I have no doubt in my mind.

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