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Postgame notes: “It’s a really empty feeling”

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Obviously these next few days are going to be spent looking back on what exactly happened this week, and what might happen going forward. For now, there was only disappointment in a Yankees clubhouse that not so long ago celebrating a division championship.

“It’s terrible,” Joe Girardi said. “We only accomplished one goal when the season ended. We had to fight like crazy to get there. It’s a really empty feeling. It’s an empty feeling for everyone in that room, and it hurts.”

The problem was the offense, but that was largely a problem of timing rather than raw production. The Yankees outscored the Tigers 28-17 this series, and 28 runs were the second-most in franchise history for a single division series. The Yankees scored at least nine runs in each of their two wins.

Problem was, they scored a total of nine runs in their three loses. The Tigers won those three games by a total of four runs.

“I tell you every time you go to the playoffs, it’s about pitching,” Derek Jeter said. “You’re not going to sit back and hit home runs, score 10 runs. I mean, we scored a lot of runs two days ago, but it was really one inning. You don’t just come out here and take BP in the playoffs. Teams you’re facing have good pitching. That’s why they’re at this point. So you can get away with a lot of things in the regular season that you can’t get away with in the playoffs.”

As in, a team can get away with its fourth, fifth and sixth hitters going a combined 9-for-55 during a five-game stretch in the regular season, but that doesn’t work in a five-game series. Of course the Tigers pitching has a lot to do with it, and of course guys like Max Scherzer and Joaquin Benoit deserve plenty of credit, but Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira and Nick Swisher were clearly frustrated (or frustrating, depending on your point of view).

When those three failed to get a big hit with the bases loaded in the seventh inning, that was basically the turning point of the game and the story of the series.

“It was 3-1 and I said, ‘I’m going to get a pitch to crush right here,’” Teixeira said. “You almost start thinking about the bases clearing, the crowd cheering. I walked there, but it wasn’t enough. Not enough to get the job done… If we were one at-bat better, we might win the game. If we get one hit with the bases loaded, but every single game you play, there’s going to be five or 10 things you can look at and say, ‘If we did this’ or ‘If we did that.’ Unfortunately, we had a couple of those this series.”

As I said, I’m sure the next few days will be spent diving deeper into how the Yankees got here and where the go from here. For now, though, this is the end of the road.

“Some days you just get beat,” Girardi said.

Here’s Girardi’s postgame.

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• Ivan Nova said his forearm got tight in the second inning. He didn’t feel it at all during the first inning, so it was a non-factor on the home runs. “We didn’t like the way the ball was coming out of his hand,” Girardi said. “I think it was directly related to that. Some of his fastballs were cutting, and we never saw that. So I had to make a change, and I had to, you know, try to get our bullpen through it.”

• Nova said he’ll go for an MRI tomorrow.

• Nova was the first Yankees rookie to start a winner-take-all postseason game since Mel Stottlemyre in the 1964 World Series against St. Louis. “It’s hard,” Nova said. “We lost and we’ve got to go home now. You don’t want to be in this situation. You want to keep going, going to the World Series.”

• Rodriguez hasn’t been productive since coming back from knee surgery, but he said health was a non-factor this series. “Everything this postseason is on me,” he said. “Let’s make that crystal clear. There’s no excuses for what happened these five games. I was healthy enough to do whatever I needed to do.”

• The Yankees went down in order in the ninth inning. Really, their last gasp was the ball that Jeter drove to the wall in the eighth inning. Off the bat, I thought he might have hit it out. It would have been a go-ahead, two-run homer with Mariano Rivera coming in to shut the door in the ninth. “I thought it had a chance,” Jeter said. “It was too high, but you never know here.”

• CC Sabathia seemed especially dejected at his locker. He’d never pitched in relief and said he tried not to change his usual approach. “I try not to,” he said. “I tried to get ahead with the fastball, and that didn’t really work, so I went to my secondary pitches.”

• Sabathia had gone 370 consecutive appearances in the regular season and postseason before finally pitching out of the bullpen. Among the pitchers whose first career relief appearance came in the postseason, Sabathia had the third-longest streak. Mike Mussina went 400 starts before pitching in relief in the 2003 ALCS, and John Smoltz went 380 starts before his first relief appearance in the 1999 NLCS.

• Sabathia wouldn’t commit one way or the other about his opt-out. “I can’t even wrap my head around that right now,” he said. “I’m just thinking about what I didn’t do to help us win. In the next couple of days, next couple of weeks I’ll think about that and we’ll see what happens.”

• Of course Sabathia felt he could have pitched longer. “It was just up to them,” he said. “I felt great. If you give me the option, I’ll pitch as long as I can. It was just up to them.”

• Robinson Cano set a Yankees division series record with nine RBI. The previous record was seven by Paul O’Neill. It’s the most RBI by a Yankee in a single postseason series — any round — since Hideki Matsui and Bernie Williams had 10 each in the 2004 ALCS.

• Jorge Posada had a .579 on-base percentage this series. He batted .429, his third-highest single-series postseason batting average behind the 2006 ALDS (.500) and the 2001 ALDS (.444).

• Rivera lowered his career postseason ERA to 0.70, the lowest mark all-time for a pitcher with at least 30 postseason innings. This was his 96th career postseason game, passing Kenny Lofton for sole possession of seventh place on baseball’s all-time list (pitcher or position player).

• Rivera threw eight pitches this series and got four outs. All of his pitches were strikes.

• Weird situation with Benoit and the band-aid on his face. Jim Leyland said it was an in-grown hair, and the band-aid was to keep it from being infected. Girardi asked the home plate umpire to have it removed. “I’m not trying to play a mind game or anything,” Girardi said. “But it was pretty big band-aid and it was somewhat distracting, I think. It’s hard not to look at. And I’m sure he had a legitimate reason, and it’s not something I necessarily wanted to do, but to me it would have been a distraction.”

• This once, the final word goes to the opposing manager: “The Yankees are so good that I would be lying if I said it didn’t give me a little extra satisfaction to be able to do it here in the fifth game,” Leyland said. “I don’t mean that disrespectfully, I mean that respectfully. It gave me a great thrill to be able to do it here in Yankee Stadium in Game 5. Unbelievable. I was just talking to Dave Dombrowski, other than the American League pennant and that time in the World Series, this will be a game I’ll remember for the rest of my life.”

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398 Responses to “Postgame notes: “It’s a really empty feeling””

  1. Captain Clutch October 7th, 2011 at 3:01 am

    Texas is going to destroy the Tiger’s pitching staff. I have to say I will enjoy watching that.

  2. DaSaint007 October 7th, 2011 at 3:07 am

    Possibly on the outside looking in: Cervelli, Nunez, Gardner, Jones, Swisher, Dickerson, Garcia, Colon, Logan, Soriano.

  3. the vaunted chris October 7th, 2011 at 3:10 am

    We can tell that you see the “bases clearing hit and the crowd cheering” in your mind, mark. We can tell almost every time you swing. No one needs more work in the winter. That left side swing is an abortion.

  4. G-C October 7th, 2011 at 3:15 am

    Tex has been pathetic in big games as a Yankee.

    At some point you disregard the whole “sample size” idea because its the only sensible thing to do.

    Jason Giambi has had a more distinguished career than he has so far.

    I don’t think there’s any doubt which of the two the fans feel a greater affection for right now. And when you consider that Tex has actually won a championship, it’s pretty sad that such could be the case.

    His career here so far has largely been a disaster.

  5. stuart a October 7th, 2011 at 3:24 am

    some addtl tex news to really depress you. his #;s for 3 straight years with the yanks have been going in 1 direction and that is down.

    blow up time if possible. go young tex is 31, swisher is 30, cano will be 29 this month.

    adios to; jorge, jones, chavez, colon, ayala,garcia, to start. seriously think about not picking up or picking up and trading swisher. he is a slightly above avg right fielder with no production in the playoffs….

    they need to get more athletic and stop the insane homer happy approach…it does not work in the playoffs……..they need to get montero into the lineup for 500 + ab’s.

    martin cannot hit, if romine is ready, arbitrate with martin and then trade him. his offense is horrible and he may have some value on the market….they need speed/athleticism…..

    pen is loaded, joba will be back sometime and they have add some starters some how some way

  6. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 3:27 am

    BS, I have no such affection for Giambi.

    Tex plays his heart out, his problems offensively are technical, and he is going to apply himself to make adjustments.

    Giambi could not even throw the ball to 2B without putting it into CF. Never forget that throw to home plate that cost Wang a win in Fenway. Same game, threw the ball away on a DP attempt.

    Give me Tex & his super glove any day over Giambi.

  7. Asd October 7th, 2011 at 3:29 am

    You know the only really disappointing thing about all of this? Detroit hasn’t a chance in hell to win the World Series, let alone make it there. Not a chance in hell.

  8. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 3:29 am

    Martin & Swisher were nightmares offensively. Alex just wasn’t healthy.

    Should have pinch hit for either one with Montero. Easily could have had Dickerson come in and play RF after that. Maddening that no bench options were ever used tonight.

    Inexplicable, really.

  9. Carlos October 7th, 2011 at 3:40 am

    Girardi got ripped for bringing in Chavez the other day.

    It’s lose lose for him I guess.

  10. LGY October 7th, 2011 at 3:42 am

    Since when are the Rangers some juggernaut? CJ Wilson going to lead them to the promise land?

    Yeah, my money is on Justin Verlander and Miguel Cabrera. Miggy in Arlington is a scary thought.

  11. LGY October 7th, 2011 at 3:45 am

    Let me rephrase that. Miggy in Arlington against a LH dominant staff. Watch out.

  12. Pat M. October 7th, 2011 at 3:45 am

    I remember a line someone by the name of Rick Dempsey once told be, there is nothing more final in sports than the final out of a game7…..The reality of it all being over you think about during th game because your driven by positive energy….You lose, the plug is pulled and your in the dark…..In a matter of seconds a dark reality overwhelms and it lingers for an least a month….For fans it’s similar….Fans get angry first, ballplayers go through a disbelief denial stage………You see ballplayers aren’t losers nor are they quitters, they just bust their tails so they can be called quitters and chokers by the real losers

  13. UnKnown October 7th, 2011 at 3:46 am

    craigwhitaker5 Craig Whitaker
    HAHA! @JoeyBats19 RT my yankees comment..and now im getting bashed by pissed off @Yankees fans. #CryMeARiver #GoSpendAnother200Million

    ——

    Wow never seen this before. Getting worked over in twitter by Joey Bats and some career minor leaguer who never made the bigs. Always a first for everything.

  14. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 3:50 am

    there wasn’t one Yank who jaked it… the results may have been disappointing, & some have challenges right now that determination & heart alone couldn’t fix (Tex swing issues, Alex health & lack of swings), Martin (lack of hitting tools, frankly). …

    Joe needed to use his bench & never did…

  15. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 3:53 am

    Why should I care about some twitter person?? No offense, but phttt, Posada may have just played his last ever game in pinstripes…I can’t even get tweaked by these faceless comments by these faceless nobodies…people hate the yankees…yawn.

  16. the vaunted chris October 7th, 2011 at 3:54 am

    Very unfortunate that all the foreshadowing came true. CC had been terrible..Stayed terrible..Teix had been terrible..stayed terrible..arod never got on track…swisher continues to baffle in the playoffs…granderson stayed cold for the most part, just like the end of his year..Cano hit like usual…Gardner and Posada the only surprises, and that wasn’t enough. Unfortunately pretty much everything people were worried about. Predictable team if nothing else.

  17. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 3:55 am

    I feel terribly disappointed for Nova. What a great kid. He’s got that glacial calm that will serve him and his weapons well as he grows….poor kid. He did a great job for us this season. I hope his health is OK.

  18. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 3:57 am

    Oh, CC was not terrible… CC is back for about 6 more years…get used to him… we’re lucky to have him.

    Posada didn’t surprise me….

    Agh.

    Goodnight, Lohud.

  19. NYYanksFan October 7th, 2011 at 4:00 am

    Miggy and V-Mart didn’t outhit A-Rod and Tex by much. Other Tigers carried them.

  20. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 4:04 am

    People love to complicate things. ….

    Alex was going to be challenged because he was coming off not one, but THREE injuries. …

    So blaming Alex is the path of the idiot….

    The manager considered no contigencies for a weakened Alex, plus a no-hit catcher, & a holey Swisher. … the way to counter that was to use a postseason weapon of massive destruction, sitting on the bench….

    Martin flailed, Swisher flailed, and Jesus Montero never stirred…

    A key AB, by someone who can hit a tough pitcher, could have catapulted this team into Saturday….no one can answer to my satisfaction why he never went to Montero…

  21. lounge lizard October 7th, 2011 at 4:05 am

    It’s nonsense to say that Tex “failed” with the bases loaded when he worked the walk for the RBI. He didn’t get a pitch to hit because it was a two run lead and easy out Swisher was batting behind him. Tex was also stranded after his double earlier in the game, one of only two XBH’s the Yankees had on the night.

    Martin/Gardner going strike out/pop out with the bases loaded earlier was just as big as the seventh inning letdown.

    It was mentioned on Opening Day 2011 that it was the first time since 1926-1927 that the Yankees fielded the same seven players in the infield and outfield on consecutive Opening Days (and with Jorge moving to DH, the lineup was 8/9 the same). When the 2010 Yankees scored a total of six runs in the four ALCS losses to Texas, Cashman had fair warning that these weren’t the ’26 Yankees, but he chose to stand pat. That cost any chance at Cliff Lee, who was not impressed by what he saw in the ALCS. And then Cashman stood pat at the deadline as well, not even considering an upgrade to the lineup

    Can Cash trot out the same guys (IF and OF) yet again to make it three in a row for Opening Day 2012, a first in franchise history? Levine has already said ownership wants him to return, so I guess he can do as he pleases. But the natives may be a bit more restless after two postseason offensive folds.

  22. the vaunted chris October 7th, 2011 at 4:05 am

    CC had an ERA above 8 this series. How do you define “was not terrible?”

    And riiiiiiight, Posada really tore it up this year. Completely expected that line in the playoffs, huh? Your hindsight vision is sharp, man…I forgot you were the insufferable one here.

  23. the vaunted chris October 7th, 2011 at 4:09 am

    One more hit to get a win tonight would have just delayed the inevitable unless they all got uncharacteristically hot at the same time…this series put a huge spotlight on the holes that we have seen them be able to hide all year. And it’s tough to blame Alex when he had knee surgery. But I haven’t seen anyone blame A-rod once in this thread

  24. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 4:09 am

    Not interested in some petty little fight.

    CC was great on Friday, the rain interrupted him. In Detroit, he was so supremely put off by a strike zone so bad that even Ron Darling, who has no reason to sugarcoat anything Yankee, commented on it. …

    For a guy on two days’ rest, he was good tonight. Yea, he gave up the double to AJax. There were extenuating circumstances, and I’ll take C on the mound any time. …

    He’s here to stay.

    The manager turned into 2004 Joe Torre when it came to making moves in the lineup.

    That’s why we lost.

  25. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 4:13 am

    I posted here & then looked back at the previous two threads… lots of crap about ARod collecting a pay check and not caring… someone also said he will have to be moved off 3B. LMAO. He was merely brilliant at third….

    Montero sat and sat and sat and sat….big reason why we’re not opening the ALCS Saturday.

  26. the vaunted chris October 7th, 2011 at 4:14 am

    i agree that he looked great on friday..but circumstances are what they are..and that was the rarity lately anyway. I’m not interested in a late 30′s CC for 25 million a year, but I’m also aware there are no other options. Bad situation. Alot of innings on that arm. Already playing this game with A-rod due to health and nobody thought it would come this quickly. That’s the fire you play with on these crazy contracts.

  27. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 4:17 am

    I really hate the fanboy culture. I had about 4 or 5 twenty somethings around me guzzling beer and calling Alex an a-hole. I hate this breed of fan. They’re dumb, dense, loud, & have no baseball soul.

    Clumsy, big-mouthed, really unintelligent… ….stupid people are always getting in the way with their loudness…

  28. the vaunted chris October 7th, 2011 at 4:17 am

    CC tonight..1.1 innings..2 walks, 2 hits, 1 earned…he k’d 4, so who knows…”effectively wild” as the stupid announcers would say. All I know his that WHIP has been ridiculously bad lately and that didn’t change in this series. Yes, he was terrible. It’s ok to say. He would tell you that too

  29. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 4:21 am

    He’s thrown a lot of innings, but he’s still just 31…by the time he’s hitting his twilight, Betances and Banuelos, Nova, maybe Joba or Hughes, will be in full stride… CC is a lefty in Yankee Stadium, always useful… I want C locked up, & he will be. …It’s only money.

  30. the vaunted chris October 7th, 2011 at 4:22 am

    And they lost this game tonight because they had the bases loaded in two different innings with one out each time…and scored 1 RUN. That’s it. Pitching was fine. Hits in general were ok, but that is why sequencing of hits and runs are so important. Seems like that’s been the problem all year. Sheehan is the only one I see preaching how bad they are at sequencing.

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 4:24 am

    If he was terrible, he would have taken us out of the game… he had those two big Ks in a row there… the double to AJax did hurt, though… but the pitching was fine tonight… the failures rest with the manager’s apoplexy with Montero right there in the dugout… I remember years where we moaned we had no bench, well we had our own little version of Miggy sitting right there….

    WHY

  32. the vaunted chris October 7th, 2011 at 4:25 am

    “It’s only money”

    …….

    Until they’ve got old Teixera, old A-Rod, old CC, and an aging Cano (by that time) all making 20 plus million on 4 players..You don’t think that affects other moves. It has to, even for the Yankees. I thought A-Rod would age well. He is proving me wrong, but he could also hit .300 and knock 40 HR’s next year…and I wouldn’t be surprised.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 4:28 am

    Those were spots for Montero….he sat…..

    un THINK able

    ….
    no more Jorge…

    but then again, you’re walking toward Gate 6, and you overhear someone say to someone else “No, that’s not where home plate was…it was over THERE” & they’re pointing off in the direction of the Old Stadium…which is all ashes now….

  34. the vaunted chris October 7th, 2011 at 4:29 am

    I said he was terrible in the series as a whole…it’s tough to be terrible for one inning, but he tried… Keeping us in the game with almost a 9 ERA and a whip near 4 tonight is merely the benefit of the score and the circumstance. Small sample, yes. Doesn’t mean he was good. If Ayala put up that line, people would be like wtf!!!

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock October 7th, 2011 at 4:32 am

    They’re not NOT signing CC, nor is not signing him even an option.

    They have had to pay the price of not developing their own, but have two kids who are going to anchor the rotation and whom they are going to control for several years. I am not worrying about the payroll.

  36. the vaunted chris October 7th, 2011 at 4:38 am

    never doubted they are signing him. 2 evils. Either decision is probably going to suck at some point. You have to choose now or later. That’s up to the person who constructs the roster to figure out how to make it all work. JUST SAYING……if they let him walk, it would not be the end of the franchise.

  37. Bobby Murcer October 7th, 2011 at 6:10 am

    They don’t sequence hits because half the squad tries to hit 500-ft homeruns every time up. It’s not a surprise that, against good pitching, Gardner’s approach got some key hits (I think he’s terrible, but he does play within his limits at the plate – his baseball sense ends when he gets on base). In the old days,
    only Reggie swung like that. Even a guy like Nettles had plate discipline. The various Munsons and Randolphs, and Chamblisses, knew how to deal with the situation. Even Bobby Murcer, who put quite a few balls in the upper deck, routinely went the other way. During the Torre dynasty years, I was always irritated by Soriano’s ridiculous overswinging. Little did I know what was waiting for me…

  38. sunny615 October 7th, 2011 at 6:47 am

    If CC walks – say it with me – Bridge Year. Or two.

  39. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 6:53 am

    J Alfred Prufrock -

    I woke up this morning and we discussed what could have been done differently. Girardi managed the pitching very well, and last night, with Nova out so soon, the bullpen, as it has all season, responded exceptionally well to the call.

    We wondered why he does not seem as willing to make adjustments with his lineup. I like Girardi. I don’t often second guess because I don’t have all the facts. BUT this was an elimination game. If all hands are on deck in the bullpen, then all hands SHOULD BE on deck on the bench, as well. The Yankees had one of the strongest benches they’ve had in years, and in only one game did he send up pinch hitters in an important spot – Chavez, who struck out, and Jones, who’s fly ball looked like it was going to do more damage than it did. (And at this hour of the morning, I’m not even sure which game Jones came into!)

    Last night, after the Yankees had already not gotten the job done with bases loaded and one out in the 4th, he needed to do something in the 7th. Swish has never gotten the job done in the post-season with runners in scoring position; Martin had been ineffective at the plate. Late in the game, with pitchers coming in that should offer no problem for Montero to catch, Martin needed to be pinch-hit for. Or Swisher, and then replace him with Dickerson in the field. Heck, Jones and Chavez were sitting helplessly on the bench – they kept showing shots of Jones with a bat in his hand. Any one of those three could not have done worse.

    There’s not many changes he could have made to his lineup. He’s got the players he’s got. But a tweak that he could have done was moving Jorge up above Swisher, since Jorge was having a much better series.

    I won’t get on Soriano for the HR in the Verlander game. He made one bad pitch and he did his job in all his other appearances, and he made more appearances than DRob or Mo, so he had more opportunity for something to go wrong. The pitching was really not the problem here.

    I think about Jeter’s and Cano’s at-bats in Game 2 with the rain literally in their faces. I think of a lot of little things that did not break their way. To beat teams in the playoffs, who are also deserving of being there as the Yankees, you’ve got to catch some breaks along the way. If the breaks are going your way, at least on or two of the hard-hit balls to the outfield during this series goes out; Cano’s broken bat flair falls in; the rain in Game 2 comes with Detroit batting and not two of the most clutch Yankees; things of that nature. But, you also need to be willing, in an elimination game, to do whatever is necessary to win.

    It’s admirable that Girardi sticks with his guys. But I don’t think any one of them would have had a problem with the manager trying something different when it’s getting late in the game and late in the season. You do whatever you need to do to move on. All three losses were winnable; the Yankees had opportunities in each of their losses to put the game away. And the guys you’d want up to do it, too. Just wasn’t meant to be.

    Sad end to a very very good season, with a lot of things to look back on and enjoy. On to finding some answers for next season, and I don’t think they need to be drastic. Need to get their GM and their Ace signed and go from there.

    Won’t be able to bear Posada in another uniform, coming up to hit against his old team….

  40. Gary October 7th, 2011 at 7:02 am

    Morning, well that’s one over. Your not going to win a championship when three guys in your lineup (Tex, Swish, ARod) consistently don’t deliver in the playoffs. They will all be back again next year.

    I’m sure that the summit conference will occur in Tampa shortly. They will discuss the priorites like CC opting out and getting him resigned, the Swisher option, Jorge ect.

    I think the pitching wasn’t the problem for the series the Tigers BA was .228 and the Yank’s staff ERA was 3.27. Detroit by comparison staff ERA was 5.73.

    As almost always in the playoffs it’s was the Yanks not getting the hits in the key spots, not even able to generate a SF given the opportunities. Hitting wise it will probably be much the same team out there again next year, but one year older.

  41. RadioKev October 7th, 2011 at 7:08 am

    Cc is the greatest starter the Yankees have had in over a decade.

  42. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 7:09 am

    Gary -

    Yes.

    IMO I think they need to address their plate approach, especially when facing pitchers who feature strong breaking stuff.

    Tex is already working – he must be more disappointed with himself than the fans are. I don’t know and can’t guess what Swisher’s deal is. ARod said his health was not an issue – I think he just didn’t want to make excuses. I don’t think anyone will be beating these players up more than they’ll be beating themselves up over the missed opportunities.

    Onward.

  43. MTU October 7th, 2011 at 7:10 am

    Gary-

    The playoffs are always a crapshoot. Especially 5 game sets.

    A few more things go our way and we advance.

    Montero might provide some additional spark next season.

    It’s strange that all 3 AL east teams were eliminated early.

  44. Gary October 7th, 2011 at 7:11 am

    Sad end to a very very good season, with a lot of things to look back on and enjoy. On to finding some answers for next season, and I don’t think they need to be drastic. Need to get their GM and their Ace signed and go from there.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Yes it was a sad ending. I don’t know what those answers might be. The guys who are supposed to hit don’t hit most every playoff series. As I said in my last post it wasn’t the pitching, it was the hitting. With the excpetion of possibly Montero it’s going to be the same guys out there unless Montero catches and they go get a DH. Posada did a good job at DH this series so it wasn’t a glaring hole in the playoff lineup. Offensivily I think they are stuck for a number of years.

  45. Gary October 7th, 2011 at 7:15 am

    MTU October 7th, 2011 at 7:10 am
    Gary-

    The playoffs are always a crapshoot. Especially 5 game sets.

    A few more things go our way and we advance.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    MTU Good assessment I think that assessment is the same one we have written over the last few years except for 2009. Your right the Playoffs are always a crapshoot cause the Yanks play like crap.

  46. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 7:20 am

    MTU -

    Most of the time, I would agree that the 3 of 5 is a crapshoot. In this series, the Yankees had their fate in their own hands in each of the three losses. They had the situations, and they had the guys up at the plate that you’d want up there in those situations. And they couldn’t get it done. Part of it was absolutely the Tigers’ ability to make their pitches when they had to. Even in the bottom of the night last night you had Grandy Cano and ARod, any one of whom was capable of tying that game with one swing. No one else you’d want up, I’d think. And Valverde was due to blow a save (I thought).

    Ah, well. I think most people realized Detroit was going to be a tough match-up for them. I think overall the Yankees are a better team, but for 3 games, Detroit played just a little better.

  47. MTU October 7th, 2011 at 7:23 am

    Gary-

    Guess that depends on your defintion of “playing like crap”.

    If you mean the Yankees did not get hits in some key situations then yeah.

    If you mean overall I wouldn’t say that.

    Few teams are offensive juggernauts in the playoffs because the quality of the pitching is so much better.

    As was stated above, I wish Girardi had been more flexible in his approach to using his bench.

    That said, 20/20 hindsight is always perfect.

    ;)

  48. MTU October 7th, 2011 at 7:25 am

    VN-

    I agree. The Tigers margin of victory was very small. It’s not like they killed us.

  49. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 7:28 am

    I wouldn’t say they played like crap either.

    They made some fantastic defensive plays.

    The pitching was, for the most part, stellar. Detroit eked past them. And the offense fell just short. it just hurts because this time the opportunities were there.

    They were one at bat away in each of the three games from moving on.

  50. MTU October 7th, 2011 at 7:32 am

    VN-

    “They were one at bat away in each of the three games from moving on.”

    It was very close. It could just as easily have gone the other way.

  51. Gary October 7th, 2011 at 7:32 am

    MTU October 7th, 2011 at 7:23 am
    Gary-

    Guess that depends on your defintion of “playing like crap”.

    If you mean the Yankees did not get hits in some key situations then yeah.

    If you mean overall I wouldn’t say that.

    Few teams are offensive juggernauts in the playoffs because the quality of the pitching is so much better.

    As was stated above, I wish Girardi had been more flexible in his approach to using his bench.

    That said, 20/20 hindsight is always perfect.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    MTU I said the pitchers did very well, Both the SP and relief pitched well for the series. It’s impossible for a team to not give up runs in a series against a division winner. Defense played well and it’s hard to evaluate the bench and PH because there weren’t any. Yes it’s the hitting. It’s always the hitting. Better I guess though then last years 6-1 trouncing in the last game by Texas.

    I would not pickup Swisher’s option. Tex has to stop being a dead pull hitter from the left side, it plays right into the other teams hand.

  52. jonnycat October 7th, 2011 at 7:34 am

    does anyone remember where SJ44 posts now, maybe on twitter? I’d like to see the guy’s take on all this. Maybe he had a twitter account or something? I just can’t remember…

    thanks

  53. MTU October 7th, 2011 at 7:39 am

    Gary-

    Tex knows he has to retool his swing from the left-side and I think he’ll do just that in the OS. I think he’ll be successful with it too.

    With regard to Swisher, I think they will pick up his option unless they can find a better replacement. That will not be so easy IMO.

  54. sunny615 October 7th, 2011 at 7:47 am

    Somedays you just get beat… – Girardi

    What a imbecile. I really don’t understand his allegiance to the 4-5-6 that were almost 0 for the series. Jones? Montero? Christ, it Montero’s first postseason game, he came through with an RBI and two hits. WTF Girardi? Get off your GDam binder and let some of the hot hands play. Nothing like a short series to expose your real weaknesses…

  55. Gary October 7th, 2011 at 7:50 am

    MTU October 7th, 2011 at 7:39 am
    Gary-

    Tex knows he has to retool his swing from the left-side and I think he’ll do just that in the OS. I think he’ll be successful with it too.

    With regard to Swisher, I think they will pick up his option unless they can find a better replacement. That will not be so easy IMO.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Swisher is a lightening rod, it a love or hate relationship. I’d take less out there to get a guy that doesn’t swing from his heels all the time and falls apart in the playoff every year.

    I’m not as confident that Tex will retool his swing, but I do hope so. Seeing Tex take that outside pitch to the opposite field would be nice to see, but I don’t think it’s in his dictionary.

  56. Tar October 7th, 2011 at 7:52 am

    I’m disappointed like everybody else. And very sad I won’t get to see Po play again.

    I won’t even watch the next series, (hope Detroit crushes them). I will use try and use that time doing something constructive, something I have been putting off. It somehow helps me to do it that way.

    Anyway, Hold your head up today and be proud to be a Yankee fan, I know I will.

  57. Niblick October 7th, 2011 at 7:56 am

    If Tex only had Grandy’s brain and devotion to improving himself, he would have worked with Long to improve that abomination he calls his stance and swing. He didn’t. Instead he keeps referring to the back of his baseball card. Well, some of those numbers aren’t looking too good. It takes mire than physical talent to succeed in sports, it takes some brains. And unfortunately Tex seems to be sorely lacking in that department.

  58. MTU October 7th, 2011 at 7:58 am

    gary-

    “Seeing Tex take that outside pitch to the opposite field would be nice to see, but I don’t think it’s in his dictionary.”

    Well, I guess we just disagree here. Tex has admitted that he has become too pull happy. He said as much. When he first came over I think he hit balls to the opposite field more regularly.

    Because he has done so in the past I think he can do so again.

    He has the determination and the right hitting coach to get him there IMO.

    Swisher has not done well in the playoffs and may never but all it takes it one season to erase all that.

    A-Rod is living proof. He had a monkey on his back until he finally was a success in the post-season.

    Those things are very hard to predict. I can’t see jettisoning Swisher unless there is a better alternative out there, and right now there does not appear to be one.

    2013 may be a different story.

    ;)

  59. 86w183 October 7th, 2011 at 8:04 am

    Frustrating night for sure. Bullpen was amazing with one run over 7 innings but most at bats were just dreadful.

    This needs to be another off season focused on getting younger and more athletic offensively. Replacing Posada with Montero gets them 20 years younger there. Laird might be the guy to replace Andruw Jones.

    Nova’s “tight forearm” is disconcerting. That’s often the first sign of Tommy John-related ligament issues.

  60. blake October 7th, 2011 at 8:08 am

    This one was tough…..much tougher than last year because it was a round earlier and I really didn’t see it coming. I really thought they were going to win even up until the 9th inning…..you coukd see it coming last year with Texas…..this one a punch in the gut.

    CB was on the money all night last night…..this team needs more contact hitters and they need more offense against RHP…….that’s a more pressings issue than the starting pitching at the moment. The easiest solution is to let your #1 prospect play, get Arod healthy, have Tex spend all winter on his LH swing……and Im sorry to say look for alternatives in RF…..there may not be anything better than Swisher out there…..but Id look.

    About CC……he didn’t pitch well down the stretch this year……but I don’t think the rotation can withstand losing him for the regular season. He is the glue that holds it together.

  61. MTU October 7th, 2011 at 8:09 am

    86-

    “Nova’s “tight forearm” is disconcerting. That’s often the first sign of Tommy John-related ligament issues.”

    yes sometimes but sometimes it’s just a false alarm too.

    Remember one season when D-Rob had a similar issue ?

    He was sent to Andrews for the ‘death sentence” and it turned out to be nothing. Never had a problem afterward.

    Let’s hope that’s the case with Nova and the MRI does not show any significant issues. Maybe nothing more than some fatigue and inflammation.

  62. Benny Blanco October 7th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    For all of the heat that alexs has taken from idiotic fans, at least he has the balls to stand by his locker and own up to his failures. He knows he wasnt good this series/season. Conversely, tex has not admitted to playing like a bum for two years straight.

  63. blake October 7th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    As was mentioned last night…..its still mind boggling to me that the Yabkeess did pursue Matt Holliday. Its very rare that they don’t pursue guys that fit their needs so well……and that was without question a missed opportunity ……I’ve been saying so for 2 years now

  64. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 8:11 am

    It is an empty feeling, but I moved on the moment the third out was made – it’s time to think about next year and how we can improve.

  65. MTU October 7th, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Blake-

    You may just have to wait for Matt Kemp instead.

    ;)

  66. Triple Short of a Cycle October 7th, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Did anyone ask Giardi why Swisher and or Martin weren’t pinch hit for?

  67. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 8:13 am

    I guess it’s appropriate that CC gave up the last run…….. given how poorly he pitched for the 2nd half.

  68. In Vino Veritas October 7th, 2011 at 8:14 am

    jonnycat October 7th, 2011 at 7:34 am
    does anyone remember where SJ44 posts now, maybe on twitter? I’d like to see the guy’s take on all this. Maybe he had a twitter account or something? I just can’t remember…

    thanks

    ************

    http://twitter.com/#!/sportsJC16

  69. Triple Short of a Cycle October 7th, 2011 at 8:16 am

    They will most likely bring back the same offense from last year and if and its a big if Montero is still here he will DH. That is the only change you will see.

    As far as Arod goes people talk about if he can stay healthy but wasn’t he healthy for the first month or 2 of the season and wasn’t he just a singles hitter? His power seemed to disappear.

    So basically the offense next year relies on Mark remaking his swing that he has used his whole career and Arod staying healthy and regaining his power. I am not a betting man but those have got to be some tough odds

  70. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 8:16 am

    So we lost in 2011 because we didn’t pursue a player a few years ago? I was very glad we didn’t, I’m still glad. The Cards blew everyone out of the water and completely overpaid for him – those now saying we should have signed him were singing a completely different tune back then. That was a ridiculous contract – in fact, the criticism was not of the Yankees not signing him, but that the Cards acted like the old Yankees by overpaying. We won a WS in 2009 without Matt Holliday – we can win another without him if the team improves enough. IMO, there’s no way one player guarantees you a WS title.

  71. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 8:17 am

    I have no affection for Giambi, but I’m already tired of Tex……….and I regret that we signed him.

  72. joeman October 7th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    great regular season team…bad playoff team

    build around
    Cano
    Tex
    Montero (if they don’t trade him)
    Curtis
    CC

    have to keep old guard
    Jeter
    Arod

    Gardner…part of a package for a SP
    Swish…can’t hit in the playoffs
    Jones…there will be better out there
    Martin ( could stay but can’t catch everyday
    Po…no place for him in 12

    Goodbye to all of them

  73. realityspeaks October 7th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    Frankly there is no way to fix this.

    Playing on the big stage in NY is a trap.

    The media, fans, team build everything and everyone up so high, that the team is a bludgeon in the regular season.

    HRS.HRS.HRS

    Maybe we should make the field a major league field without that little league right field porch.

    We are nothing but regular season champs. Loud, obnoxious, arrogant bullies with bats.

    We are great at winning the regular season, over 162 no one can hammer with us

    Then comes the playoffs.

    Loser team, loser city, loser fans

  74. Benny Blanco October 7th, 2011 at 8:24 am

    There is no logical reason why montero did not get a chance to hit. Russell Martin did nothing this series and had horrible abs. I have a hard time believeing that montero is that bad behind the plate.

  75. joeman October 7th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Benny Blanco October 7th, 2011 at 8:24 am
    There is no logical reason why montero did not get a chance to hit. Russell Martin did nothing this series and had horrible abs. I have a hard time believeing that montero is that bad behind the plate.

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    he’s not very good..noticed one thing about him catching, a little slow of foot around the plate and he closes his eyes a lot on a swing and miss pitch

  76. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    So…how long ’til spring training?? I want more Yankees.

    I seriously got teary reading the previous post about Posada. It’ll be beyond strange not to have him on the team next year, especially since I can’t remember a time when he wasn’t. :(

    Overall, a very disappointing ending to what was a great regular season.

    And I hope everything comes out OK for SuperNova w/his MRI.

  77. Keith--FL October 7th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    WHY DID CHAVEZ NOT PINCH HIT FOR AROD, WHY DID JONES NOT HIT FOR SWISHER, WHY DID MONTERO NOT HIT FOR MARTIN?? IT WAS CLEAR THAT THOSE GUYS WERE NOT GOING TO PRODUCE LAST NIGHT, WHY NOT TRY SOMEONE ELSE TO SEE IF THEY COULD GET THE JOB DONE IN THE CLUTCH AND WIN THE GAME…LONG AND GIRARDI KNEW AROD WAS NOT RIGHT, MARTIN AND SWISH WERE STRUGGLING…..TELL HIM TO TAKE IT LIKE A MAN AND HAVE A SEAT…IF YOUR SLUMP AND INJURY IS A FACTOR IN THE PLAYOFFS, WE CANNOT AFFORD TO PLAY YOU, SO AROD, MARTIN, AND SWISH SHOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD….ALL YEAR WHEN GIVEN THE CHANCE, Chavez was great with RISP!!! Jones hit some key HR’s, and Montero was somewhat of an unknown for the Tiger pitchers with great opposite field power….
    OUR BULLPEN WAS LIGHTS OUT…NOT SURE IF OUR PITCHING COULD HAVE HANDLED TEXAS BUT WOULD HAVE LIKED TO AT LEAST SEEN US TRY……CASHMAN’S 3 OFFSEASON MANDATES:
    1) GET CLUTCH HITTERS!!!!!
    2) GET CLUTCH HITTERS!!!!!
    3) GET CLUTCH HITTERS!!!!!

  78. joe b October 7th, 2011 at 8:27 am

    And AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  79. 86w183 October 7th, 2011 at 8:29 am

    MTU —-

    The odds are its not something major with Nova. But it IS disconcerting

    Another fascinating off-season gets underway with the Yanks awaiting CC’s decision and having to make a few tough ones of their own.

    I like Chavez for the bench and a reliable 3B option when A-Rod rests or DHs.

    Bye Bye Jorge, Andruw, Bartolo and Freddie.

    Time to decide which prospects to hug and which ones to package for upgrades for the rotation and possibly RF

  80. blake October 7th, 2011 at 8:29 am

    “So we lost in 2011 because we didn’t pursue a player a few years ago”

    Not necessarily but he certainly would have helped. Also if you look back I was heavily for them signing him at the time….never have wavered on that…..the market was way down that year……the Cards blew everyone put of the water because nobody bid. Its water under the bridge now but would he help…..yes….yes he would.

    Rob Dibble is such a moron…..its a joke that MLB radio allows him to spew his nonsense every morning. In addition to his normal act……this morning he said the Tigers outplayed the mercenary Yankees and that Girardi panicked pulling Nova out after 2 innings……he still had no idea about the forearm issue…..its an embarrassment…..especially when for the most part everyone else on that channel is very good.

  81. 86w183 October 7th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Caps Lock is a really cool button, huh?

  82. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Wow….how about turning off the Caps Lock?

  83. HipHipHorHay October 7th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    I think it’s an overreaction to say that one series defines how good or bad a team or a player is. They lost three games by a total of four runs, and had the winning run on base or at the plate in all of those games late. One key hit and we have a different story this morning. The team is not full of holes because of that.

    This lineup is no worse than the 2009 lineup, that team just got the key hits at the right time, which is the case for every team that’s ever won the world series.

    The only real holes in this team that I saw was in the starting rotation, and that held up fine in the playoffs. No starter got shelled – the most the Tigers scored in any game was 5 runs, right?

    I’m bummed out, but don’t go acting like the team/GM/manager is a disaster because of a loss in a best of five crap shoot.

  84. joeman October 7th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    CC is going to see whats out there & Boston is going to be a big player for him

  85. HipHipHorHay October 7th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Get clutch hitters. Great comment. How does one go about finding “clutch” hitters?

  86. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    I don’t want Freddy to go – we really need him; with him, the rotation is still “eh”……but at least he anchors the back end

    Blake, maybe he would have helped, but we won a title without him and it’s been years now. I don’t think he’s the kind of player, good as he is, you spend years rueing the day you didn’t sign him. The Yankees didn’t get the job done because too many people failed – not because they didn’t have Holliday.

    I’m not saying you didn’t want the guy, but the major reaction at the time was as I described. I guess also I don’t believe in looking back – it’s useless. A lot has happened since then. For those wanting Hollliday, it seems an implicit criticism of Gardner. I have never thought Gardner was all that – he’s a nice player, but sure if you can upgrade, you do (but not another long contract – no more of those)

  87. Keith--FL October 7th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Sorry guys about caps lock, just frustrated this morning as we were better than the Tigers….

  88. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Blake, why allow yourself to get upset about what Dribble said? I allowed myself to get upset about Sherman trashing Alex – and boy that was a waste of time; Sherman isn’t worth it and either is Dribble i’m sure.

  89. 108 stitches October 7th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    The pitching pretty well held up their end of the deal. Timely hitting counts most. The Yankees outscored Detroit for the series but the 10 run blowout inflated the real numbers. Couldn’t cash in with bases jammed and one out.
    Girardi gets to wear No. 28 for another year. Every year at least 20% of the roster changes. Andruw Jones, Eric Chavez might be offered minor league deals and a ST invitation of make the team but nothing guaranteed.
    Burnett is now getting in the way of progress with the young arms moving up. Any kind of deal accepted for him.
    Phil Hughes needs to spend time at the Athletes Performance Institute in Phoenix over the winter.
    Would have Freddy Garcia back. Noesi needs time in the Dominican League as does Nunez to correct his footwork and throwing.
    Teixeira is a product of his father’s teaching. That has to change with lots of work with Kevin Long. He needs to change his stance to have less movement in the batter’s box and less uppercut on his swing. The HR’s will come by themselves. Swisher also needs time with Kevin Long.
    Cashman could be active in trades using among others, Brackman and Golson.
    Little in the way of free agent signing but would take Steve Buehrle on a 2-year deal until Banuelos is ready or John Danks assuming Texas signs C.J. Wilson.

  90. joe b October 7th, 2011 at 8:35 am

    I’m happy to see the Yankee fans are taking it well so far. Nobody has jumped off the Empire State Building as of 8:30 this morning.

  91. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Keith-understandable, believe me. ;)

  92. MTU October 7th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    86-

    Every effort should be made to re-sign CC.

    I hope Chavez returns.

    IMO one of Freddy or Bartolo returns.

    I don’t think Swisher is going anywhere. At least not till mid-season.

    There just isn’t anyone on the radar at the moment who is better.

  93. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    There’s no doubt in my mind CC will be a Yankee next year. I just hope they get something done quickly and don’t let it drag out all winter.

  94. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Hughes does need to spend time at the API – I’d love to see him get back to that lean look; he’s so bulky now. I think this really is his final shot in the rotation for this team, so he has to find a way to develop a good, consistent curve and change. He looked very good in the pen late in the year and it will be easier now for the Yankees to just say he’s a reliever at heart and convert him since they have lots of options at AAA

  95. Triple Short of a Cycle October 7th, 2011 at 8:40 am

    This lineup is no worse than the 2009 lineup, that team just got the key hits at the right time, which is the case for every team that?s ever won the world series.

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    Arod was younger and 40 times better that year
    Mark was a better hitter
    They had Matsui and Damon
    Jeter and Posada were having all star years

    The only one they didn’t have was Garnderson. How can you say this lineup was the same?

  96. joeman October 7th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    older players will be a year older way past their skills prime….

  97. joeman October 7th, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Erin October 7th, 2011 at 8:38 am
    There’s no doubt in my mind CC will be a Yankee next year. I just hope they get something done quickly and don’t let it drag out all winter.

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    don’t to to sure about that…

  98. vrsce October 7th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    CC, is a great guy, who failed. Forgivable. Let’s hope he does not think this performance is worth a raise and opt out.

    ARod is simply a choker. Too bad Cashman was not allowed to let him go when he opted out.
    Next year.

  99. Bronx Jeers October 7th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    I’m happy to see the Yankee fans are taking it well so far. Nobody has jumped off the Empire State Building as of 8:30 this morning.

    ————————–

    They make it really hard. Too much security and high railings.

    Better a bridge.

  100. Wang IS Taiwan October 7th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Robin Ventura: Now there’s someone I’d like to see manage the Yankees. Class, loads of talent, easy-going, a great sense of humor and smart.

    Instead, we get Girardi. Ugh.

  101. Wang IS Taiwan October 7th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Triple — bingo! There were clutch hitters on the team in 2009. Matsui? The best clutch hitter. Tex? Swish? The worst.

  102. sdjohn October 7th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Joe Girardi’s allegiance to swisher and Martin cost us this series. I get that Martin is a great catcher, but when he had opportunities to produce at the plate you just knew it wasn’t going to happen. His approach was horrible except for the month of April, and when his many holes in the swing were exposed, AL pitchers made adjustments and Martin looked lost ever since. As far as swisher goes, he hasn’t done anything is the post season with RISP. And that’s not exaggerating. I think the numbers are 1-32 and that 1 didn’t get the run in. You left Chavez, jones, and montero on the bench, and now Joe you will have to live with that all off season knowing your inability to manage cost the Yankees this series. Grow some balls Joe because that was a pathetic display you put on. The Yankee front office made a mistake in hiring you, and here’s to hoping that this latest Joe Girardi failure is enough for them to get you out of town for good.

  103. blake October 7th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Betsy,

    Im not upset so much as irritated…..I don’t like misinformation being thrown around and Dibble mails it in every morning.

  104. Wang IS Taiwan October 7th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    sdjohn: Don’t forget his allegience to Arod batting 4th…

  105. Bronx Jeers October 7th, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Arod and Tex were just as bad as Martin & Swish.

  106. sunny615 October 7th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Look, our roster – as it stands – is essetially a lock for the next year. Outside of DH, PH, and Bench/backup catcher, you’re looking at the 2012 Yankees. With any luck and hard work on Montero’s part, he will be the primary DH/BU catcher. But it will be Jeter, Grandy, Cano, Arod, Tex, Swish, Montero, Martin, Gardner. Andruw will probably be swapped for whoever’s on the market. Swish’s option will be picked up and Martin as well. NunE(with 20 E’s)z will still be the BU infielder and who knows as Jones’ replacement. The rotation is a mess. Resign CC, and Nova will return. Hughes is a question mark. AJ is AJ. And the other spot will either be a FA (CJ Wilson) or maybe Noesi (who has yet to show he can go through a lineup 3 times) or some other AAA leftover.

    The key this year was injuries. Arod had no power mid year because of his knee. But he was hitting. IF he can stay healthy – he’ll rake like he did in the beginning of the year and ST. Tex – seems to be all or nothing. With the onset of Cano, he’s our new 5th hitter. Anyone surprised by the lack of clutch hitting this postseason hasn’t been watching the 2011 Yankees because that’s what they were all year long. Rarely coming up with the late inning big hit. The anti – 2009 Yankees. If they can solidify the rotation, they’ll still be contenders next year. Just got to let time now take away the ache from this painful loss.

  107. disco stu October 7th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Disappointing feeling this morning, but not the hollow, empty, crushing feeling of years past when it felt like the Yankees had a team for another championship but fell short.

    I felt all year as I do now that the 2011 Yankees were a good, solid, resilient team but nothing close to a juggernaut.

    Unlike years past, there was hardly any volatility between this season’s roster and last season’s. Yeah, we added Soriano, Martin, and held our breath that Colon and Garcia would be servicable – which they were and more so.

    But lets be honest, the moment we lost out on getting Cliff Lee and then Andy Pettitte retired, there was a feeling that the team we had going into the season was incomplete, but the resolution would come mid season when they would make the “big move” that set us up for this October run – which of course, never happened because it turned there was no move to be made (thankfully, we passed of paying thru the nose for Jiminez) and we never really seemed engaged in bolstering the lineup with a Carlos Beltran or Hunter Pence.

    Instead, the team did a great of “circling the wagons” and got the most out of what we did have and were pleasantly suprised at the contributions the youth provided – Nova, Nunez, Noesi, and finally, Montero.

    But again, it never felt like a team where everyone from top to bottom had the “win at all cost” mentality as in other years – I mean, look at how busy the Yankees were at mid season in 2010 (acquiring Wood, Berkman, and Kearns and thinking they hit the home run in getting Lee) and how silent they were this year – not a single move, not even after July 31st when players had cleared waivers.

    This was a transition year … the continued phasing out of the old guard, the phasing in of new talent, and the baton being passed to Robinson Cano and Curtis Granderson as the players who now truly lead the Yankees attack.

    As long as Cashman stays, I believe he will stick to his guns and continue to pick and choose when and where to strike big … gone are the days when George would already have knee jerked at such a disappointment and would already be planning to do things rashly.

    Even with the championship in 2009, the feel of the organization is different. It seems more understanding and accepting that you can’t win every year and as a result, you don’t mortgage the future chasing after one year’s worth of glory.

    Its a new Yankee world we live in.

  108. GoldGlove9486 October 7th, 2011 at 8:59 am

    I’m 25 years old, and I’ve seen five championships, seven AL pennants. If one more person sends me a facebook message that says “Yankees suck,” I’m going to have a stroke. They just won two years ago….they miss Damon and Matsui, who turned out to be irreplacable.

  109. sunny615 October 7th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    I’m just as pissed off as the next guy, but watching the 2011 Yankees, you knew that they weren’t great at coming back late in games or grinding out wins after the 7th. The 2011 Yankees were a homer happy bunch and never really got into the small ball that lets you win close games. Disappointing as hell – absolutely, but not totally unexpected.

  110. Triple Short of a Cycle October 7th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    The key this year was injuries

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    Totally disagree. Outside of Arod they were super healthy heading into the post season

  111. Wang IS Taiwan October 7th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    The 2011 Yankees were a homer happy bunch and never really got into the small ball that lets you win close games

    “““`
    Although, with the number of assinine bunts that Girardi called all season, you would have thought our team was the A’s.

    One walk-off this year? Did I remember that right?

  112. Wang IS Taiwan October 7th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Gotta say: Gardner was really surprising.

  113. sdjohn October 7th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Yup, the swisher and Martin argument could have arod and Tex names interchanged. That empty feeling he describes having is what we all feel, my issue is that HE had the ability to do something about it, but didn’t have the balls to make a move. That’s why he is always out managed because almost every other manager in the ML would have made a move or multiple moves, but not Joe he just sat there with his finger in his nose hoping nobody would notice, well Joe we noticed, and you should be embarrassed.

  114. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 9:08 am

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