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Sabathia: “Of course it’s a decision”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Podcast on Oct 07, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Maybe the offseason officially begins when the World Series ends, or maybe it begins the day players file for free agency, or when you see that first signing rumor on Twitter.

Or maybe it started last night, the very moment Alex Rodriguez struck out and the Yankees season came to an end.

Of all the things the Yankees have to do this winter, surely there’s nothing more crucial than figuring out what to do with CC Sabathia, who can opt out and become a free agent.

“Obviously, he’s our ace so he ranks highly,” Brian Cashman said. “I can’t predict how everything goes. We’ll take this thing one day at a time. The winter’s come upon us but I’m not prepared to talk about the winter, unfortunately.”

Sabathia has said time and time again that he loves being in New York, and he said it again last night. But he also acknowledged that opting out is a possibility, and most outside observes seem to agree that it’s more than a possibility. It might be an inevitability.

“Of course it’s a decision,” Sabathia said. “It’s there so, just see (what happens). I can’t even begin to tell you what I’m thinking right now and what’s going to happen or anything like that.”

All things being equal, would Sabathia want to be back with the Yankees.

“I can’t really even answer that right now,” he said. “I’m just thinking about tonight, what happened. I’ll take the next couple of days, relax, hang out with the family and make a decision.”

Here’s Sabathia speaking briefly last night.

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181 Responses to “Sabathia: “Of course it’s a decision””

  1. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Chad-thanks so much for all of your had work this season.

    Excellent coverage, as always. :)

  2. willwill October 7th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    wow….. did he really say that? Guess what CC we don’t want your choking a$$ either. GtFO

  3. Yankee Trader October 7th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Good morning everyone. Or rather bad morning-

    It’s just frustrating. I wouldn”t know where to start. One thing that I don’t think was mentioned above, is the Yankees didn’t seem to play very aggressive on the bases in these close games. That’s one area the Yankees had a clear edge-on paper-over the Tigers.

  4. sunny615 October 7th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    time for Hal to break out the wallet.

  5. GoldGlove9486 October 7th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Met fan tells me today “Yanks only played 5 more games than the Mets.” Great argument.

  6. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    All things being equal means if the Yankees practically rip up the deal and give him a new one…the difference between now and then being that cc is afew years older

  7. Yankee Trader October 7th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Chad-

    You’ve been terrific. Your dedication to your craft, with all your excellent updates, toiling late hours and unbiased writing is what has made loHud the best blog in baseball.

  8. willwill October 7th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    cc basically responded like the chick you’re dating who doesn’t really know if she likes you.. Or she doesn’t so she just placated it.

  9. JM October 7th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Once again it was the offense that did in this team in the playoffs, as it has most of the time over the past 10 years. Just inconsistent, too many “homerun or nothing” swings.

    It is frustrating because unlike last year, when I thought Texas was the better team, this time I thought the Yanks were better than the Tigers. But the Tigers produced in the clutch and pitched just well enough. So it goes.

  10. Wang IS Taiwan October 7th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Chad — I hope you get a well-deserved vacation soon. Thank you. Your efforts made the season much richer.

  11. Mike in Harrisburg October 7th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    After some reflection the most frustrating thing for me is Girardi’s inability or refusal to shake up the lineup when it was clear things weren’t working. Instead we have 4 guys who for whatever reason aren’t getting the job done whatsoever, and a bunch of guys on the bench just sitting around. I know he can’t go out there and hit for them but there was plenty he could do to try and get something going.

  12. sunny615 October 7th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    the 2011 Yankees were homer happy. Rarely any late inning comebacks and virtually no walk-offs. The 2011 Yanks are the anti-2009 Yankees. If the 2011 Yankees were behind after the 6th, more often than not, the game was lost. I can’t even remember how many late inning comebacks this years team had versus the 09 team. If I remember correctly, it’s less than 1/2 – possibly even 1/3.

  13. Yankee Trader October 7th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    “Obviously, he’s our ace so he ranks highly,” Brian Cashman said. “I can’t predict how everything goes. We’ll take this thing one day at a time. The winter’s come upon us but I’m not prepared to talk about the winter, unfortunately.”

    Cashman needs a new contract, which is probably up at the end of this month after the end of the WS, before he can be prepared to talk about postseason moves.

  14. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    We gave him the opt out in case he didn’t like it here….well he likes it here

  15. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Whether he opts out or not (and I’m fully expecting him to) I still think he’ll remain a Yankee.

  16. Yankee Trader October 7th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    This was the Yankees payroll this season, based on Cot’s:

    Opening Day payroll
    (Major League contracts plus pro-rated signing bonuses):
    2011: $207,047,964

    I heard people were saying the Yankees should/would sign Pujols and/or Fielder.

    I’m going to bet that doesn’t happen.

    If the Yankees decide to maintain payroll where it is, the only big contract coming off the books is Posada at 13.1M and to a lesser extent,Marte at 3.75M after he’s bought out.

  17. G. Love October 7th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    I really think Swisher has worn out his welcome here. At this point, we know the script with him. He’ll struggle mightily for parts of next season causing Girardi after months to finally start to take away at bats, then when challenged he’ll get hot and pile on in games that we’re already ahead or way far behind and then when we make the post season he will fail. Hard. And Girardi will still keep him in the lineup and not move him because he’s terrified of not showing faith in him.

    Walking out the stadium last night my cross hairs were on Swisher and Girardi.

    Girardi should have known that Arod was a shell of himself and not put him in the 4 hole. You had Jorge hitting like it was 10 years ago out there and could have easily put him cleanup when you realized something special was happening and his bat was hot. And it was scorching hot.

    But Girardi won’t react to what’s actually happening on the field. Instead of saying, “okay Swisher is not gonna get it done, let me throw Montero up” or “this is a pivotal at bat for Martin, maybe go Montero or Chavez here” he does NOTHING.

    Girardi got his wish. He got to see his defense first catcher play the whole series and not come up with a sac fly when the team needed him most. This is what Girardi wants. He wants nothing to do with Montero behind that plate and I would bet dollars to doughnuts you’ll see more of this next season when he favors Romine over Montero and they treat Montero as some platoon DH vs. LHP…maybe.

    As for Swisher, he’s a joke. He can work out walks in the regular season like it’s his job, but as soon as the playoffs start he swings at stuff a foot off the plate. I really think he goes up there and just swings praying his bat hits the ball in the playoffs. I’m tired of him. I know he’s a “fan favorite” but he’s not one of mine. He tries hard, but mentally he’s a mess.

    And I can’t help but think that Arod was still injured and what would have happened with Nunez’s quicker bat in the lineup.

    But those what if’s will remain what if’s because our manager isn’t the best in the league.

    He’s a nice social worker with a feel for the pen, but his feel for what’s happening in the game is off. He’s a liability in the post season. And I truly believe he will do whatever it takes to undermine Montero’s progress as long he’s the manager of this team. He’s in love with Martin (and Romine/Cervelli) and he will give the DH at bats to Arod next year. Unless Cashman intervenes.

    And I hope Nova is OK. The pitching last night was amazing for the way they had to come in and save the game.

  18. spidanyc October 7th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Why pay Sabathia all this extra money and add on years to his contract when he’s a good regular season pitcher, but nothing special in the postseason? There are so many better pitchers out there right now such as Halladay, Verlander, Kershaw, King Felix, etc who don’t even come close in salary to Sabathia. Sabathia signed the richest deal for a pitcher with the Yankees 3 years ago and now again he’s gonna become the highest paid pitcher in the game for a 2nd time.

  19. Jim October 7th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    If he opts back in the Yankees better put in a clause in his contract that forces him to opt out of all those Denny’s Mac ‘n’ Cheese Big Daddy Patty Melts that have settled around his mid-section since the middle of the season…

  20. spidanyc October 7th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    What’s going on with Swisher’s contract? Can the Yankees gain a draft pick if Swisher signs elsewhere?

  21. disco stu October 7th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    “Cashman needs a new contract, which is probably up at the end of this month after the end of the WS, before he can be prepared to talk about postseason moves.”

    Exactly, there is nothing that can be done just yet because the Yankees are still not sure who their GM will be for 2012 -we assume Cashman will be back, but until he puts pen to paper, nothing is for certain.

    However, assuming that Cashman does come back it is probably at least a month before anything even remotely starts to happen as far constructing the 2012 roster. By mid-November, we will know who are GM is, whether CC opted out our not, and start hearing rumors about potential trades and FA signings. In 6 weeks, the Winter Meetings will start and things (as they always do during the Hot Stove League) will begin to take shape.

  22. JM October 7th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    It was like a morgue in the stadium for much of the night, after the two homeruns in the first inning. Came to life during the bases-loaded situations but then went back to morgue-like silence after the Yanks failed to do anything. Sad. The top of the first took the fans right out of the game.

    Anyone else as worried about Nova as I am? Forearm tightness is not a good thing.

  23. longtimefan October 7th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Is Sabaitha a very good pitcher, yes, if he opts out to leave for another team, that is his decision, if he opts out only to re-sign with the yankees for more money and addtional years
    then he is a hipocrite–he is being paid more than what he is worth now–if he wants to stay with the yankees try starting a conditioning program and come into camp next year in better shape and maintain the shape throughout the season.

  24. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    JM-I’m not going to be too worried unless he has to make a visit to good old Dr. Andrews. Really hoping it’s nothing.

  25. JM October 7th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Erin,

    He is going for an MRI. Hopefully it’s just a strain or something.

  26. Bring in the Goose October 7th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Everyone is so busy on this blog dissecting the season. It’s not about the season…

    ALDS is about moments – it’s not about your lineup, or injuries to the pitching staff during the summer – it’s about key moments during the game that make or break the series.

    Those moments last night were CC hanging a slider to both Austin Jackson and Victor Martinez, and Russell Martin and Arod failing to get a runner in from third with less than 2 outs.

    Those moments go in our favor and we win the game and move on.

    5 game series can be lost by great teams – you MUST capitalize and have great moments though to move on. The Yankees had plenty of those in 2009.

  27. Yankee Trader October 7th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Girardi should have known that Arod was a shell of himself and not put him in the 4 hole.
    ———————————————————-

    I don’t have any stats to back this up, but the Yankees seemed to play better when A-Rod was out of the lineup after his knee surgery and thumb injury.

    Maybe A-Rod should have gone to Girardi at some point and told him- ” Coach I’m not helping the team. Maybe you should sit me or move me in the order.”

  28. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    He seems happy here, he’s said he’s happy here. But the opt out is there; he can capitalize on that if he wants to – the Yankees expect him to. Whether that’s for years or money or both, who knows. But the Yankees need him and will not let him go without a serious effort. (Maybe CC would like assurance about no six-man rotation?) Without CC the Yankees would be left without an Ace in a free agent year with no aces on the market, and no one really close. CC holds the cards. The Yankees will end up paying.

    I don’t pick nits on CC’s words said last night. It was not the night for that question, just like it wasn’t the night to ask Derek Jeter about what changes he could see being made in the off-season. To a man, the only thing on their minds, I’d image, was that they just got eliminated when they did not expect it. They were clearly devastated.

  29. BIG AL October 7th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    CC got the opt out clause because he was not sure about playing in NY. Now he states he loves playing in NY, so I say to CC, show the Yankees and their fans how much you love NY, and do not opt out. That way the Yankees have more money to spend in building a better team around you.

    After all CC, how much is enough?

  30. JM October 7th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Goose,

    Yes, you are right. The Tigers came up big in make or break moments and the Yanks did not. I had a bad feeling about the series in the first three games when guys like Delmon Young and Santiago were producing and the Yanks’ big bats were not. Meanwhile they pretty much neutralized Miggy but VMart and the lesser known guys wound up beating them.

  31. 108 stitches October 7th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    We’ll never know what the aftershock might have been if Girardi had decided to send out Montero to pinch hit for Alex, Swisher, or Teixeira. He might have at least got his bat on the ball.

  32. Purenyyankee October 7th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    This is the most selfish, unclutch bunch of pu$$ies I can ever remember. Let Fasto opt out. He’s not an ace. Let that pretender in RF go. Too bad we can’t get rid of Stump too. Yes. I’m VERY angry. The guys that play 1st and 3rd are a complete waste. I feel sorry for Posada. He left his heart on the field. Its going to be a long winter, then we are all going to get sucked in again in March, only to get screwed again in October. That’s what they have done to us the last 9 out of 10 years. Screw this team!

  33. Kelvin October 7th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    I understand the decision to opt out but on the question if he wants to be back I thought he’d answer yes at the very least.

  34. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Villa Nova- great post (I seem to be saying that a lot lately) ;)

    Totally agree

  35. mick October 7th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    All things being equal, would Sabathia want to be back with the Yankees.

    “I can’t really even answer that right now,” he said.
    ======================================
    Bye-Bye C….C’ya in Philly.

  36. Yankee Trader October 7th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    BIG AL-

    One player, who doesn’t seem to love NY, is Soriano. I hope Scott Boras finds a good deal for him elswhere to close and encourages him to opt out.

    Wishful fantasy/thinking.

  37. spidanyc October 7th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    If CC does indeed opt out, does anyone see another team topping what the Yankees are already paying him?

  38. Chip October 7th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    GoldGlove9486 October 7th, 2011 at 9:12 am
    Met fan tells me today “Yanks only played 5 more games than the Mets.” Great argument.

    —————

    My guess is that every Met wishes he had those 5 games.

  39. HipHipHorHay October 7th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Repost
    HipHipHorHay October 7th, 2011 at 9:43 am
    Triple Short of a Cycle October 7th, 2011 at 8:40 am
    This lineup is no worse than the 2009 lineup, that team just got the key hits at the right time, which is the case for every team that?s ever won the world series.

    ———————————————————————

    Arod was younger and 40 times better that year
    Mark was a better hitter
    They had Matsui and Damon
    Jeter and Posada were having all star years

    The only one they didn’t have was Garnderson. How can you say this lineup was the same?

    ———————————-
    2009 Yankees scored 915 runs (5.6 per game)
    2011 Yankees scored 867 runs (5.4 per game)

    If this lineup was worse, the difference is miniscule.

  40. HipHipHorHay October 7th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Goose – totally agree.

  41. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Yankee Trader October 7th, 2011 at 9:48 am
    BIG AL-

    One player, who doesn?t seem to love NY, is Soriano. I hope Scott Boras finds a good deal for him elswhere to close and encourages him to opt out.

    *********************

    I have to say, I’m definitely not the guy’s biggest fan, but he did do a very nice job last night. I kind of forgot about his opt-out. LOL

  42. willwill October 7th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    I don’t see how anyone doesn’t take offense to asking if he wants to be back with a ” i don’t know” how can you not be pissed off by that remark?

  43. JM October 7th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Soriano isn’t opting out. He was great last night and most of the time down the stretch. Still it would be great if he wanted to leave….but I can’t see it.

    As for CC, the Yanks will do what it takes to keep him. Unfortunately that probably means more years, which would not be optimal.

  44. BIG AL October 7th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    I believe CC will opt out, and sign with a contender for the most $$$, he is a hired gun at this point in his career. Perhaps he’ll prefer Boston to NY.

    Yes, I’m crazy, but, if CC opts out, then he’s not a true Yankee in my mind. I’d let him go, suck it up for 1 year, then see how the pitchers now in AAA, plus some very good FA players we can sign in 2012, and go from there.

    CJ Wilson, plus some good trades could still keep this team very competitive, at a lower cost.

    I’d let Swisher walk, or do a sign and trade, and start using guys like Nunez, Dickerson etc in RF. Cashman, be smart, have Nunez play winter ball in RF, get him ready!

  45. Chip October 7th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    spidanyc October 7th, 2011 at 9:48 am
    If CC does indeed opt out, does anyone see another team topping what the Yankees are already paying him?

    —————-

    The Red Sox are out – they already have too much money tied up in their rotation.

    Philly could do it – with Oswalt, Rollins, Blanton and Lidge coming off the books they could look at a rotation next year of Halladay, CC, Lee, Hamels, Worley – or they could deal one of those two at the back of the rotation for a SS.

    Angels probably not – thank you Reagins for trading for Vernon Wells.

    Texas went toe to toe with the Yankees for Lee – they could certainly do it again for CC – especially with CJ Wilson a free agent.

    My darkhorse would be Seattle. They have plenty of money and CC would join with King Felix and Pineda to form a dominant rotation in that division.

  46. Yankee Trader October 7th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    If CC does indeed opt out, does anyone see another team topping what the Yankees are already paying him?
    ————————————-

    If he doesn’t want to live anywhere else but on the west coast-NO. If he’s willing to take less yearly money for more years, then MAYBE.

  47. Chip October 7th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    willwill October 7th, 2011 at 9:52 am
    I don’t see how anyone doesn’t take offense to asking if he wants to be back with a ” i don’t know” how can you not be pissed off by that remark?

    ———–

    Because the question was asked five minutes after his season ended in an emotionally draining game 5.

  48. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Go IPK :)

    TrentonThunder The #Yankees season has come to an end, but the dream is still alive for Thunder Alum Ian Kennedy. http://atmlb.com/mXcRyf GOOD LUCK IAN!

  49. JM October 7th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Po hit .429 in the ALDS. He still has a bit of pop in his bat….I wish he would retire but after that showing I think he’s going to want to come back. It’s going to kill me to see him in another uniform. He has been such a great Yankee.

  50. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    willwill October 7th, 2011 at 9:52 am
    I don’t see how anyone doesn’t take offense to asking if he wants to be back with a ” i don’t know” how can you not be pissed off by that remark?

    *******

    Because I also heard him answer a question on the post-game last night that he loves playing here. And his eyes lit up.

    Because after a game like that, those questions are like an ambush.

  51. 108 stitches October 7th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Fox Sports won’t be thrilled with the ratings they’ll get from a Texas – Detroit ALCS.

  52. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Chip October 7th, 2011 at 9:55 am
    willwill October 7th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Because the question was asked five minutes after his season ended in an emotionally draining game 5.

    ***************************

    Exactly. I didn’t make too much of that at all. It was the worst possible time to ask him anything about it.

  53. longtimefan October 7th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    “They were clearly devastated”–as Jeter heads off to an Island retreat for a month of sun and fun and then winters in his 20 million dollar mansion in Tampa–get real!

  54. vrsce October 7th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    CC will get a raise, to keep him at same status as Lee and Halliday. Simple.

  55. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    JM-I’ve been saying all along that for very selfish reasons I hope Posada retires. It would be beyond wrong to see him in another uniform. I’m really going to miss him.

  56. Westchester Dave October 7th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Two thoughts:

    a) CC will not opt out. The press would be too poor for both him and the Yankees. Rather they will quietly agree to an extension and be done with it.

    b) Even if the Yankees came through in one of the late inning scoring opportunities, with an injury to Nova they were not going to make it through the ALCS with a rotation consisting of CC (who probably couldn’t pitch until game 3), AJ, Garcia and Colon.

  57. PacoDooley October 7th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    My prediction – Sabathia saves face by signing a lucrative extension and does not opt out of the current deal. They basically pay him for a few extra years at a rate that complements what he might get on the open market. He will be like A-Rod by the end of that extension – a shell of the player that garnered such a massive deal, but they have few options given where their pitching is…

  58. Bronx Jeers October 7th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    All things being equal, would Sabathia want to be back with the Yankees.

    “I can’t really even answer that right now,”

    ————————————————————-

    Let the games begin!

    I don’t recall a boatload of 6 year offers pouring in 3 years ago for CC. Not saying there won’t be other suitors but a 6 season/$150MM investment seems unlikely if they weren’t really coming in 3 years ago.

    And CC has every right to demand every dollar he can possibly earn. He can opt out and nobody’s feelings should be hurt. The Yankees take every dollar they can as well.

    But we also have to realize that if CC opens that door he is no longer our loveable ace. Then he’s just a really fat guy with an arm that has a ton of mileage on it. :wink:

    Personally I think the Yanks should strike first and offer a nice 1 year extension. If he refuses that then other teams know that he’s after the 6th year.

    Remember that Cliff Lee essentially has a 5yr/$120MM deal. If he pitches 200 innings in his last season or 400 in his last 2, the deal becomes 6 yr/135MM

  59. PacoDooley October 7th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    I have to say, seeing Hughes come in and look confident and successful makes me hopeful for his future. If Joba can recover from his surgery and they can add a starter (Wilson), the team might be in decent shape with pitching next year. Especially if Betances and maybe Banuelos start to look like decent options as the season progresses.

  60. JCPD October 7th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    OK, I guess now that the season is over, I’ll have to do a tribute for 2011. Here’s to dreams about what the off season will bring

    https://picasaweb.google.com/105244848673673377679/20111006?authkey=Gv1sRgCKfMju3K95z7lgE

  61. PacoDooley October 7th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Speaking of opting out, why no discussion of whether Soriano will opt out – he also has the option, but no one seems to make a big deal out of it…

    (yes, I am joking – he will run to the bank and thank god that he signed such an idiotic player friendly contract)

  62. joe b October 7th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    “There’s no crying in baseball” !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  63. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    longtimefan -

    Well, if Jeter, et al., can move on, and it is their jobs and their season, perhaps we as fans should be able to move on, too. After all, we should have lives outside of following the Yankees.

    What would you have Jeter do? Sit in the empty clubhouse and cry for 4 months?

    Baseball is redemptive. New season, new possibilities. And you can’t dwell on the negatives and the what-ifs, especially if it’s your job, because then you won’t be able to do your job.

    And it was absolutely ridiculous for Kim Jones to ask Derek Jeter about possible changes to the team. That is not Derek’s job.

  64. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    JCPD-fantastic pictures!

    Thanks for sharing-I love the ones of your dog! :)

  65. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    And it was absolutely ridiculous for Kim Jones to ask Derek Jeter about possible changes to the team. That is not Derek?s job.

    ***********************

    She asked Jeter that? LOL What did he say?

  66. Mike in Harrisburg October 7th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Is it too early to wax positive about the season?

    1) Cano fully established as the game’s best 2nd basemen
    2) Montero looks to be the real deal, as does Nova
    3) Gardner, Granderson look to be your rocks in the outfield for a number of years to come
    4) Jeter got hit 3,000, winds up batting far closer to .300 than .200
    5) Jorge does not fade away, but rather goes out the way you’d want – leading the team in grit and results-through-brute-determination
    6) Two fliers on Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon could have gone very wrong but went very right
    7) Red Sox are a complete and utter mess

    Probably missing some obvious ones

  67. JCPD October 7th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Always glad to share with you Erin.

  68. Mike in Harrisburg October 7th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Oh – the continued emergence of Robertson and what was frankly a pretty good bullpen

  69. JM October 7th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    JCPD,

    Thanks for the great photos! Is your dog’s name Dakota? Or am I misremembering? (Quite possible as I am suffering from severe sleep deprivation).

  70. BIG AL October 7th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    JCPD -

    Jim great pictures, as usual! Love that cabin on the lake.

    Truly the way to get high, on the mountain.

  71. Mike in Harrisburg October 7th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Again, my biggest frustration is Girardi not using the bench more. I think this was a team that could have gone deep into the postseason with a few timely pinch hits to pick up the struggling starters.

  72. JobaTipsHisCap October 7th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Let him walk if chooses so.
    If Yanks happen to miss playoff or whatever, it might do good to the team in long term.

    CC back or not, this team is not built to win a championship anytime soon.

  73. MTU October 7th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    JCPD-

    Great shots of the Fall colors and Dakota.

    Thank you for sharing them.

    :)

  74. JCPD October 7th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    JM, yes, her name is Dakota and at almost 14 years, she climbed the mountain yesterday for sunrise like it was nothing.

  75. GoldGlove9486 October 7th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    JCPD, what kind of dog is that? Wife and I want to get one. Any suggestions from anyone out there? We have a two story townhouse.

  76. GoldGlove9486 October 7th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    And I already told my wife I will name the dog “The Babe.”

  77. JCPD October 7th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    MTU, actually the colors I though were a little bland. The best part of the day was the morning hike up the mountain for the sunrise.

  78. BIG AL October 7th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    JCPD -

    Dakota and I have something in common, if I were to try and climb that mountain, I’d most likely be on all fours by the time we reached the top. :)

  79. MTU October 7th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    GG-

    Make sure the pooch swings with his left paw.

    May I suggest a “Pointer” ?

    :)

  80. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    GoldGlove9486 October 7th, 2011 at 10:13 am
    And I already told my wife I will name the dog ?The Babe.?

    *************************

    Very cute. :)

  81. JCPD October 7th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    GoldGlove, she is a black lab, australian cattle dog mix. She weighs 50 lbs, which to me is a perfect size, big enough to push around and wrestle with. I got her when she was two from the animal shelter. Both those breeds are extremely intelligent, the things she does and remembers amaze me.

  82. MTU October 7th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    JCPD-

    I would have loved to have joined you. You’re timing was just a little off I guess like some of the Yankees.

    ;)

  83. Bronx Jeers October 7th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Well, that’s certainly not the New York that I’m familiar with.

  84. austinmac October 7th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    An important issue will be the result of Nova’s elbow. He has been throwing a lot of sliders which are hard on the elbow. Keep your fingers crossed.

  85. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Erin -

    Jeter pretty much said he can’t answer that.

  86. JCPD October 7th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Hell Al, you sure you would have made it to the top? ;-)

  87. GoldGlove9486 October 7th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    That’s great…..thanks guys. I would really like a dog to come home to. There is a shelter in York, PA, that has 132 dogs and a surplus. We are going to look this weekend to try and cheer me up. My dad and I were supposed to go to ALCS Game 2 on Sunday for his birthday. Bummer.

  88. BIG AL October 7th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    JCPD -

    No, I’m not sure, but if I put a bell around my nead, I’d hope you’d find me if I didn’t.

  89. BIG AL October 7th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Back later.

  90. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    …………………

    :(

  91. ConcernedCitizen October 7th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    I just rescued a beagle last month. Best decision I’ve made in a long time. Having a four-legged companion around is very rewarding.

  92. djsunyc October 7th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    our pitching was good all year long.

    the surprise was the lack of .300 hitters on the team. only ones were barely cano and jeter.

    we need more contact hitters and less home run hitters. keep the ball in play and try to go base to base.

    granderson has been great, but he needs to be a #6 hitter. the #2 guy can’t be hitting .265.

    tex needs to rework his swing to get back to .280 and alex just needs to get healthy.

    montero will provide much needed life…we may have to find some hidden gems in FA this offseason instead of the big name.

  93. longtimefan October 7th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Villa Nova-Ya

    I’m not the one who said they were clearly devastated–I’m sure they felt disappointed and I’m sure they will move on with their lives and they should and we will–before you know it it will be spring traiining and all will be forgotten as it should be.
    Media is usually annoying and last night was no exception, the pre-game kept babbling on how the yanks had a big advantage in this game–playing at home, bats were coming alive, etc.
    Some one forgot to send that memo to the hitters

  94. Joe from Long Island October 7th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Good morning-

    1. I shut off the tv as soon as Alex struck out. I had no interest in watching another team celebrate against the Yankees.

    2. I think disco stu summed it up well in the previous thread.

    3. I don’t think Alex is done as a hitter, but he clearly has to make way for Robbie. Granderson hitting 4th, Robbie 4th? Alex 5th? Montero would hit lower down, but depending on how he did might protect Alex.

    4. CC will opt out, as a business move. But, I think he ultimately stays. It makes too much sense.

    5. Jorge Posada went out a winner, just like he’s always been.

  95. joe b October 7th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    The team and it’s fans have gone to the dogs. LOL

  96. GoldGlove9486 October 7th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Joe from Long Island, love the number five post. I didn’t even want to win for myself….wanted to win for Jorge. He had an amazing series.

  97. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    ConcernedCitizen October 7th, 2011 at 10:23 am
    I just rescued a beagle last month. Best decision I?ve made in a long time. Having a four-legged companion around is very rewarding.

    *************************

    awwww. I’m not really a dog person (cat person all the way ;) ), but I do love beagles. Probably has something to do with Snoopy. LOL

  98. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Posada didn’t get his “Paul O-Neill” moment :(

  99. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Joe from Long Island October 7th, 2011 at 10:26 am
    Good morning-

    1. I shut off the tv as soon as Alex struck out. I had no interest in watching another team celebrate against the Yankees.

    *********************

    Ditto.

  100. GoldGlove9486 October 7th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    A cat would be easier for me, but I’m allergic. I grew up with a Bichon Frise at home, because they do not shed. He is still alive (barely) at age 16. But he does have a Yankee collar and jersey. The day we got him was the day David Cone returned from his surgery in ’96 and almost had a no hitter.

  101. Joe from Long Island October 7th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    6. As CB said last might, Swish’s option should be picked up. If Jason heyward is available, make the deal. If not, then check to see if LA makes Kemp available at a reasonable price. If not, wait another year when he cam be had for only money.

  102. Bring in the Goose October 7th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Admire him or not, Jim Leyland is a sly fox.

    This bandage on Benoit was an absolute joke – no question it was personally picked out by Jim and probably adhered to Joaquin’s face by his own hand. Gamesmanship at its best.

    Reverse phycology in the pregame.

    Pinetar on Kenny Rogers’ pitching hand.

    I would love to be a fly on the wall in his pre-game meetings.

  103. Hassey October 7th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    I guess it wasn’t in the Lord’s plans for the Yankees to move to the next round

    or Martin’s plans

    or Swisher’s plans

    As for CC – ehh, we lost with him, and we can lose without him. If he gives the GM-to-be-named-later a hard time, let him walk and pocket the cash. We’d also save money ont he pre-, during- and post-game spreads. The delivery boys at the local I-Hop in Tampa would be angry, but they’ll get over it

  104. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    I know its probably been dissected to death.. but I still don’t understand why there was no pinch hitters called into that game. Jones especially. Quite frankly, as much as I’ve been vocal about how I can’t stand the guy, I couldn’t believe they didn’t give him a shot instead of Swish with the bases jacked. Between Jones and Montero (and to a lesser extent Chavez) I’m still pretty shocked none of them saw any action last night.

  105. djsunyc October 7th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    girardi had no feel for the game offensively. leyland has no trouble shuffling the order or sending in subs.

    if leyland was managing us for game 5, gardner would be leading off b/c of the series he’s had and there’s no way in hell posada is batting behind swisher. that made zero sense.

    and not pinch hitting martin in key spots killed us.

    it’s not girardi’s fault arod struck out but it is his fault for having no feel of the situation and not making some key adjustments…regardless of result.

  106. mick October 7th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Leyland in essense saying, we don’t need Verlander to beat you, we have Scherzer was also brilliant. Now he has him for game 1. Who would we have started for game 1? Garcia, Colon?
    With Nova out, we would have gotten swept anyway, so spare the pain …

  107. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    were*

  108. P October 7th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Tex worked very hard in the offseason last year to retool his swing. He still got worse. You guys can try and justify all you want but the guy stinks in big games.. blame his mechanics all you want, but the guy stinks in big games, blame it on his “swing plane” but the bum stinks in the playoff’s and not very good in the clutch in the regular season. He’s good for a HR every now and then and that’s it.

    Some players can’t handle playing in New York and mark my words, this is the case with Tex.. you can change his mechanics all you want, but if there’s a mental component, it’s not going to help.

    Tex is a bum, his post season numbers are terrible even in 2009. He had one big hit that he was late on that turned out to be an opposite field HR and that is all…

    if it is his mechanics, why has been this bad and drastically declining since he got here ?

    Keep dreaming. Wishful thinking… the guy is a bum.

  109. mick October 7th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Joe is a likable guy but inflexible. If he stands in the way of Montero’s progress I say get a new Mgr.

  110. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    I think it was a case of Girardi still playing for the tie in a sense (ie: not wanting to ‘lose’ Martin assuming the game would go to extras and you’d be forced to have a lesser defender in Montero behind the plate), something he seems to have a habit of doing.

    Thats why I couldnt understand not subbing Jones for Swish at least because Jones can rake better and his and Swishers defense is somewhat similar.

  111. G-C October 7th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Might be time to really retool…I’m tired of complacency when this team has become a playoff laughingstock since 2004.

    I’m fine with letting Sabathia walk.

    I’m not sure if its a matter of his weight or innings catching up to him in October but he has been part of the problem the last two postseasons, not part of the solution.

    If he wants to opt out with what he’s making, good riddance.

  112. 86w183 October 7th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Jorge was solid in this series, nothing more. He hit .429, but didn’t drive in a run.

    Too much overreaction as usual. Remember they outscored Detroit 28-17. They had a higher BA, OBP, SLG and OPS.

    They also had a much better ERA and WHIP.

    They just didn’t get the clutch hits late in three games… that’s all.

  113. mick October 7th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    I said before the series that we won’t win if Alex does not come around.
    It was so evident last night something is wrong with him.

  114. GoldGlove9486 October 7th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Honestly, how are we a playoff laughing stock since 2004? We won the WORLD SERIES in 2009.

  115. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Might be time to really retool?I?m tired of complacency when this team has become a playoff laughingstock since 2004.

    *********************

    2009 says hi

  116. mick October 7th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    I am not even sure anything is wrong with Nova.
    Sounds like what they did with Freddy.

  117. Mike in Harrisburg October 7th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Shame – that bothers me too.

  118. mick October 7th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Joe has too much “faith,” if that’s possible.
    Batting Swisher ahead of a hot Posada was ludicrous.
    Was he afraid of hurting his feelings?
    Would much rather have had Po up in that bases loaded spot than leading off the next inning…
    One of the old rules was you go with the hot bat.

  119. Bronx Jeers October 7th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Jorge was solid in this series, nothing more. He hit .429, but didn’t drive in a run.

    —————

    Yeah but look who he was following.

    Arod, Tex & Swish. They were horrible.

  120. Vineyard Yankee October 7th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Joe from Long Island

    I was sorry to read about you having to put your dog down the other day. I have four Springer Spaniels and a Jack Russell who are like my second herd of kids. Dogs bring many unconditional love and joy.

    That is a very tough thing, my thoughts and prayers for you and yours.

  121. G-C October 7th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    “2009 says hi”

    And looking more and more like an aberration with every passing year.

    2009 belonged to Damon and Matsui. Both of them had consistently come up big in Octobers past and they finally got A-Rod to drive them along with his own randomly great performance. One we should never expect to see again.

    Damon and Matsui aren’t coming back anytime soon.

  122. djsunyc October 7th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Some players can’t handle playing in New York

    ———–

    this is why being a yankee gm is the hardest job in sports. you have absolutely ZERO idea who can perform here and who can’t. and the problem is that for you to get a player here, you must give them years and money.

    we may have to start going a little cheaper in acquiring players. more 1-2-3 year contracts and less big money deals.

  123. Villa Nova-Ya October 7th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Gonna have to do some research on that G-C.

    They were in the playoffs with both Damon and Matsui prior to 2009 and did not go past the 1st round.

    Yes, they were instrumental, especially Matsui in the last game of the WS in 2009, but if they were the missing pieces last year and this, explain 2005, 2006 and 2007.

  124. mick October 7th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Montero should have played a part last night.
    What interested me was when Leyland brought in Benoit, instead of Coke to face Gardner with Grandy and Cano looming.
    He knew he could bring up Montero , who he wanted no part of, and he prolly would have been done with Jesus for the rest of the night. Joe could have used Jones instead of Montero , either way Leyland pushed the right buttons on the mound and at the plate and that’s why they won.

  125. JM October 7th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    CC had a great postseason in 2009 as well, especially in the ALCS.

  126. Vineyard Yankee October 7th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    mick October 7th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    I said before the series that we won’t win if Alex does not come around.
    It was so evident last night something is wrong with him.

    =============

    Interesting that as he continues to get older and fulfill his ridiculous contract his production isn’t going to improve nor will the nagging injuries disappear. Unless he finds that thing called the fountain of youth.

  127. JM October 7th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Joe made some strange moves all series. His decisions in game 2 continue to baffle me (Ayala????) and he should have shuffled the lineup last night to give Jorge more at-bats.

    Also should have pinch-hit Jones, at least, but I guess he was too paranoid about putting Montero in to catch. Jesus could have caught Mo.

    I found it weird in the post-game that no one asked Joe about pinch-hitting for Martin….

  128. Chip October 7th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Building the 2012 Yankees:

    The Free Agents
    Gone:
    Posada

    Likely Gone:
    Garcia – after his season some team will offer him a guaranteed deal (possibly even a 2 year one) While he pitched well for the Yankees I think he’s the kind of guy you get lucky with, not the kind of guy you commit to.

    Ayala – same as Garcia. Guys like Ayala can be found on minor league deals. There’s no reason to commit a major league contract to him.

    Andruw Jones – He’s going to want to go somewhere that offers him more regular playing time. No one is going to let him be an every day player – but there are contenders where he’ll see the field more than he did with the Yankees

    Likely Staying:
    Russ Martin – Arbitration eligible I think the Yankees offer him a 2 year deal

    Bartolo Colon – if he’ll accept a 1 year incentive laden contract I think the Yankees would like to keep him around and given how he petered out at the end of the season I don’t think there will be too much competition for him.

    Corey Wade – very useful player who seems to have made it back from injuries.

    Eric Chavez – Same as Colon – I think the Yankees would like to have him back at the right price and I don’t think he’ll get blown away by contract offers.

    CC – I think it will be expensive, and there will be a lot of nail biting, but in the end I think he stays.

    Other moves.

    While picking up Swisher’s option may seem like a no-brainer I don’t think it is. I think the Yankees should look at other OF options. Two guys in particular stick out:

    Jason Heyward & Logan Morrison.

    Rumors abound that Wren might be willing to deal Heyward – would he consider a package of Hughes, Nunez and a prospect? Nunez would immediately take over for Alex Gonzalez at SS and Hughes could slot right into the rotation – he would probably thrive in Atlanta. Heyward struggled last season but I think that’s because a lot was put on him at a very young age.

    LoMo is on the outs with Florida’s upper management but is a very strong talent. He’s got a lot of the same personality that Swisher does and I think he would fit in very well with the Yankees.

    Francisco Cervelli – the ascention of Montero doesn’t necessarily mean the end of the road for Cervelli. For the Yankees to have both Montero and Martin in the lineup they’ll still need a back-up catcher. The question for Cervelli is whether he’ll ever be right after the concussions. Before the deadline, the Yankees did come close to dealing Cervelli to the Pirates for Brad Lincoln – that could be revisited if the Yankees think that they want Austin Romine on the roster too.

    AJ Burnett – he’s not going anywhere

    Outside Free Agents

    Obviously after CC the biggest pitcher on the market is CJ Wilson, but I stay away from him. He’s going to want at least AJ money and I don’t want to go there. Instead I would look at Mark Buehrle for 2 years 10 – 12 mil per. A veteran who has pitched in big games and won big games. He’s not going to strike out 10 but he’s going to get the job done and done well.

    If Yu Darvish is available, I certainly go after him too.

    If Jones leaves then the Yankees will need a RH bat for the bench – Laird might be a guy you look at for that role, or Justin Maxwell (who was having a great season at AAA until he got hurt) but I think there are a couple of veteran bats who could be worth a look – a Scott Hairston or Aaron Rowand type.

    That’s really it – if they deal Nunez then maybe you bring in a Clint Barmes or Felipe Lopez type. But those are minor league deals at best.

    So what do my 2012 Yankees look like?

    Jeter – SS
    Granderson – CF
    Cano – 2b
    Alex – 3b
    Tex – 1b
    Heyward – RF
    Montero – DH
    Martin – C
    Gardner – LF

    Bench:
    Chavez, Cervelli, Barmes, Hairston

    Rotation:
    CC, Nova, Buerhle, AJ, Warren

    Pen:
    RHP: Mariano, Robertson, Noesi, Soriano, Wade, Colon
    LHP: Logan (Feliciano won’t be ready to open the season)

  129. bruceb October 7th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    The Yankees stuck with the same lineup for all five games; the Tigers mixed and matched. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but we had a strong bench – Montero, Jones, Chavez, even Nunez – so why weren’t they used when it was clear that so many of our hitters were struggling to lay bat on ball? Girardi wasn’t brave enough to take a Tex, A-Rod or even a Martin out in a key situation.

    If ever you wanted evidence of how long-term contracts can hamper your development as a team, this season has been the prime example. CC has plenty of miles on the clock so the last thing I would be doing is extending the length of his contract. It would be nice if Cashman was in a position of power but he’s not; the simple truth is that our rotation needs CC as there’s no one better who is readily available. Maybe you have to give him more money; but more years would be sheer folly.

    If you want to win the AL East again, you re-sign Swisher for $10.25 million. If you want to win the World Series, you set him afloat. Once again, he was horrible in the post-season. A leopard can’t change his spots.

    Russell Martin is a good defensive catcher but he must not stand in the way of Jesus Montero’s development. If the Yankees really don’t believe that Montero is good enough to be their every day catcher, then they should use him as trade bait for a top-level pitcher. Wherever he is, he needs to be playing every day next season.

  130. Bring in the Goose October 7th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    mick October 7th, 2011 at 10:52 am
    Montero should have played a part last night.
    What interested me was when Leyland brought in Benoit, instead of Coke to face Gardner with Grandy and Cano looming.
    He knew he could bring up Montero , who he wanted no part of, and he prolly would have been done with Jesus for the rest of the night. Joe could have used Jones instead of Montero , either way Leyland pushed the right buttons on the mound and at the plate and that’s why they won.

    ———

    Great point, Mick. It was very clear what Leyland was doing there, though I was shocked he did it. Could not believe Coke was not in to face Grandy, Cano, etc. Shocked.

    Leyland pushed the right buttons for sure, down to Kelly batting second, golfing a HR in the 1st inning.

    Tigers will have a tough time against Rangers pitching without Delmon Young though, who appears to have an oblique issue…

  131. G-C October 7th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    “Yes, they were instrumental, especially Matsui in the last game of the WS in 2009, but if they were the missing pieces last year and this, explain 2005, 2006 and 2007.”

    Because they weren’t good enough to carry teams by themselves.

    But their contact-based approach and ability to shorten up their swings in big spots is something that this team, outside of one or two guys, is so incredible devoid of.

    Alex Rodriguez’s postseason performance with the Yankees, save 2009, has been an absolute joke.

    I normally would be willing to give him a pass because you know he’s hurting, but when you look at this year in the context of his entire Yankee career it just makes it far less easy to exonerate him and his play.

    Tex and Swisher are carving out their places in Yankee lore too. Two worst batting averages of Yankees with a minimum of 25 at bats in postseason history.

  132. mick October 7th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    We shouldn’t equate the 2009 team or any of the teams since 2001 with any championship Yankee team.
    The key ingredient is always pitching and while we had a nice staff it was patchwork.
    Last night’s loss was on the hitters which also can’t compare with those clubs.
    Let’s not be delusional here…this was not a championship team.

  133. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Damon and Matsui were hardly the only contributors in ’09.

  134. 86w183 October 7th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Unfortunately they are now testing for the “fountain of Youth”

  135. sab October 7th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    there is a way to get tex to waive his NTC and get him off this team..

    have the new GM sit his sorry bleep down and tell him that they will be signing pujols or fielder in december to play 1st base…exclusively…

    then tell him that he is now the part time DH against lefthanders…that he will NEVER bat left handed again for the new york yankees and that on the days that jesus montero doesn’t catch (yes montero would be the starting catcher – bleep that no hitting french canadian)- he’ll be the DH further taking some righthanded at bats away from tex and having him sit on the bench more where he is best suited….

    if THAT doesn’t make him want out of NY then he is even more stupid than i thought…

    once he agrees to be traded trade him to the cardinals if they lose pujols (or milwaukee since they’ll lose fielder) for either a halfway decent starter or a half way decent outfielder….and now you can get rid of gardner or swisher for more pitching…

  136. G-C October 7th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    “Let’s not be delusional here…this was not a championship team.”

    And the Detroit Tigers, who sport a lineup with Don Kelly, Ramon Santiago, Magglio Ordonez, and Austin Jackson, are?

    Face it. The Yankees have gotten beat in the first round by inferior teams in 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2011.

    On paper none of the teams they faced in those years should have had a prayer against this team.

    But the offense just comes up consistently small in big spots and I’m not really sure how you fix that without blowing this entire thing up.

  137. sandy g October 7th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    its time the yankees wake up and smell the roses.the yankees can reach a buy out with arod.they owe arod 143mil.insurance will pay some and the yankees will pay the rest.he is a shell of the player he was just 3 years ago.he is 37 not 27.this will cost the yankees 143 mil if they do not get any insurance help.by letting sabathia ,swisher,posada,garcia,mitre,marte,chavez and jones all walk they save 121 mil.trade burnett and eat half his contract and save 16.5 mil. as you see there are ways the yankees can dump arod and finally get rid of him.

  138. djsunyc October 7th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    If ever you wanted evidence of how long-term contracts can hamper your development as a team, this season has been the prime example.

    —————

    only if the manager allows it to be. girardi is too scared to hurt egos. for the first time, i’m thinking this type of team requires a big name manager that has pull (like larussa or leyland) – the only guy out there that i think can fill the bill is pinella…

  139. Chip October 7th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    I’m realizing that my bench is a little old – maybe instead of Barmes you go with a younger kid. Not Ramiro Pena though – need to have someone who can field and hit.

  140. mick October 7th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Leyland had less talent but a freer mind.
    Joe manages scared.
    With all that talent it is a crime.
    1st bad sign was having to fave Detroit, not because of Verlander alone but the all righty staff.
    Texas and their leftys and this series would have been more fun and Montero and Jones would have been in the mix, nothing taken from Jorge but Montero would have been more dynamic.

  141. djsunyc October 7th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    its time the yankees wake up and smell the roses.the yankees can reach a buy out with arod.they owe arod 143mil.insurance will pay some and the yankees will pay the rest.he is a shell of the player he was just 3 years ago.he is 37 not 27.this will cost the yankees 143 mil if they do not get any insurance help.by letting sabathia swisher,posada,garcia,mitre,marte,chavez and jones all walk they save 121 mil.trade burnett and eat half his contract and save 16.5 mil. as you see there are ways the yankees can dump arod and finally get rid of him.

    ————-

    ok, let’s say they do that, who’s buying tickets to watch?

  142. mick October 7th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    “Let’s not be delusional here…this was not a championship team.”

    And the Detroit Tigers, who sport a lineup with Don Kelly, Ramon Santiago, Magglio Ordonez, and Austin Jackson, are?
    ==================
    never said they were , they just beat us 3 of 5.
    over the course of a season we are the better team but evidently this team is not built for the post season.

  143. G-C October 7th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    “I found it weird in the post-game that no one asked Joe about pinch-hitting for Martin….”

    ______________________________________________________

    Why should they?

    Its the same answers from him regardless. “We liked Russ in that spot. Russ is our catcher. We believe in Russell.”

    I don’t even know why Girardi bothers to have press conferences.

  144. Chip October 7th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Oy…the wackos are out in force:

    1. Girardi is not being fired. He’s been manager for 4 years, he has 1 WS, a trip to the ALCS and a trip to the ALDS.

    2. They aren’t buying out Alex Rodriguez. First of all this isn’t the NBA – you can’t buy out players. You can release them, but then you have to pay the full contract and I don’t see that as anywhere NEAR a likely scenario.

    3. The Yankees are not trading Tex. In a “down” year he still hit nearly 40 HR and was outstanding at 1b. Nor are they benching him in favor of signing Pujols or Fielder.

    4. They’re not dumping Cashman. Yes, Brian’s contract is up – but the Yankees want him back and so if he wants to come back they will work it out.

  145. mick October 7th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Little is said about Detroit’s pitching.
    Scherzer owns us, Verlander owns everybody and Fister, Scherzer again , Benoit and Valverde were better than our hitters.
    That’s the difference in the playoffs.

  146. austinmac October 7th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    The Yankee bench mainly consisted to right handed hitters. That is why they weren’t used against the virtually all right handed Detroit staff.

    The Yankees need a left handed bat.

  147. Yank 97 October 7th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    “Might be time to really retool…I’m tired of complacency when this team has become a playoff laughingstock since 2004.”

    They did re-tool. They went from Giambi to Tex and actually got worse as far as big game hitting. They went from Sheffield/Abreu to Swisher and actually got significantly worse in big games.

    CC is a pedestrian at best postseason pitcher, not much different than Mussina was.
    They signed Martin because Cashman says he was a “gamer and grinder” and he ended up being our biggest problem.

    They did re-tool their team personnel-wise and actually got worse in big games. They can beat the hapless Minnesota Twins in the 1st round, no one else though.

  148. 86w183 October 7th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    The series came down to a handful of key at bats where the Yanks failed to come through.

    Again, they outscored Detroit 28-17. That’s clear evidence they were the superior team. So were the 1960 Yankees but they came up short too….

    You don’t blow it up. You settle CC’s status, upgrade RF and starting pitching and you have the best team in the American League again.

  149. Hassey October 7th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    We are all enraged, no one more than me, by the thought that we invested time and emotion into this 2011 bridge year. It’s a natural human emotion to search for answers, reasons, clarity and closure.

    We can easily blame almost anyone – certainly Girardi left himself open to alot of second guessing, A-Rod, Swish, CC, on and on

    but for me, it’s simple. I think what it comes down to is, especially in the playoffs, is that it’s hard to win in the AL when you have a pitcher (Martin) in the lineup

    even with no 4-5-6 hitters, if we could have shown a bit more production at the bottom, it would have swung the close game losses into our favor

    Can I get a witness from the congregation? I guess the ‘trolls” (whatever that is) disappear after wins, but the fairydusters disappear just as quickly after familiar losses

  150. LGY October 7th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    The Yankees have to re-sign CC if he opts out. They really have no choice after losing out on Cliff Lee last winter.

    However, I’m a lot more concerned about that prospect than I was three months ago.

    CC spent the offseason losing weight to take pressure off his lower body yet by September he was bigger than he has ever been. Scary.

  151. Gary October 7th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Chip October 7th, 2011 at 11:07 am
    Oy…the wackos are out in force:

    1. Girardi is not being fired. He’s been manager for 4 years, he has 1 WS, a trip to the ALCS and a trip to the ALDS.

    2. They aren’t buying out Alex Rodriguez. First of all this isn’t the NBA – you can’t buy out players. You can release them, but then you have to pay the full contract and I don’t see that as anywhere NEAR a likely scenario.

    3. The Yankees are not trading Tex. In a “down” year he still hit nearly 40 HR and was outstanding at 1b. Nor are they benching him in favor of signing Pujols or Fielder.

    4. They’re not dumping Cashman. Yes, Brian’s contract is up – but the Yankees want him back and so if he wants to come back they will work it out.

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    Chip no disagreement with your excellent analysis. I think the focus now back to Cashman is so what are you going to do to change the status quo? Last year the story line was we have a great team so I’m not sure I really need to make any real moves. So that team got us the divison crown, but not out of the first tier of the playoffs. I wonder if with the CC thing and the untouchability of many of the veterans if it just the second coming of the same thing as last winter/spring. We have a good team and good prospects, we will just play with what we have.

    I like most of our team, but there does need to be some moves taken. Free agency has become so competitve that you wonder if that horse or two you want comes here or goes someplace else. Trades are another avenue, but the Yanks won’t want to part or maybe they shouldn’t with the chips that could bring those two or three players here. I do wonder if it’s another of those it is what it is and we got what we got years.

  152. Triple Short of a Cycle October 7th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    3. The Yankees are not trading Tex. In a ?down? year he still hit nearly 40 HR and was outstanding at 1b. Nor are they benching him in favor of signing Pujols or Fielder.

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    amazing how Mark still gets defended here because of his regular season home run total while his post season stats even before he came here remain awful. Check his late and close stats for this year as well

  153. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    mick – Fister laid many a ball straight down the middle and our guys just did not capitalize. I was worried about and offensive downturn after that blowout the game before. I just had no idea that an ‘offensive downturn’ might be not being able to scrape together 3 runs.

    To me, swapping Jones for Swisher in the 7th was a no brainer. Swish has been terrible this series and hadn’t look comfortable at the plate at all. Throw Jones out there and pray to god the vet comes through.

  154. Gary October 7th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    LGY October 7th, 2011 at 11:16 am
    The Yankees have to re-sign CC if he opts out. They really have no choice after losing out on Cliff Lee last winter.

    However, I’m a lot more concerned about that prospect than I was three months ago.

    CC spent the offseason losing weight to take pressure off his lower body yet by September he was bigger than he has ever been. Scary.

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    Don’t I remember David Wells going through the same weight YoYo?

  155. Chip October 7th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Yank 97 October 7th, 2011 at 11:11 am
    “Might be time to really retool…I’m tired of complacency when this team has become a playoff laughingstock since 2004.”

    They did re-tool. They went from Giambi to Tex and actually got worse as far as big game hitting. They went from Sheffield/Abreu to Swisher and actually got significantly worse in big games.

    CC is a pedestrian at best postseason pitcher, not much different than Mussina was.
    They signed Martin because Cashman says he was a “gamer and grinder” and he ended up being our biggest problem.

    They did re-tool their team personnel-wise and actually got worse in big games. They can beat the hapless Minnesota Twins in the 1st round, no one else though.

    ———-

    How many titles did the Yankees win with Sheffield, Giambi, Moose and Abreu?

    I’ll give you a hint – it’s 1 less than they won with CC, Swisher and Tex.

  156. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    LGY-Sherman had an article this week where he said the Yankees will almost certainly talk to Sabathia about controlling his weight. I was disappointed too that he put it all back on and more. Cap n’ Crunch is a powerful drug. :P

  157. Vineyard Yankee October 7th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    I Imagine that the first order of business will be to resign Cashman or recruit his replacement. Then the player issues can begin to be addressed.

  158. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    BombersBanter Breaking News: @BaldVinny of the Bleacher Creatures (Sec. 203) announces that last night MAY have been his last role call. #Yankees

    :(

  159. Hassey October 7th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    As long as the Phillies get knocked out, I’m OK with everyone else. In fact, the Tigers winning it all may make some of us feel better by legitimizing our slim, avoidable loss to an “inferior” team

  160. 86w183 October 7th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Last year CC had one poor start, one decent start and one excellent one. Remember he beat Texas in game 5.

    In 2009 he made five starts, he averaged better than 7 innings (36 1/3 total) per start and posted a 1.98 ERA.

    To call him a pedestrian at best post-season pitcher is ridiculous.

    That said if he is back in 2012 they must force him to address conditioning. He must have gained 30 + pounds over the course of the season

  161. LGY October 7th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    I got killed earlier this season for saying I’d rather have Giambi than Tex.

    They don’t lose this series with Giambino at 1B.

  162. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Triple – Its not about giving anyone a pass, its about realizing you can’t just replace 40HR and 100RBI production (btw, you don’t score 100 non important runs all season but thats moot at this point). He’s still the best option out there I just don’t know that he should ever bat left handed again.

  163. mick October 7th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    I don’t know Shame, it’s just baseball, I guess. No logic involved. We all thought we had them. Nova spoke too much, like it was in the bag. I’m sure Leyland picked up on that. Somehow they stunned us in the 1st with 2 jacks, back to back. That was the game.

  164. JM October 7th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Cashman will return as long as he wants to ….I thought this year was one of his best performances, actually. He pulled a bunch of players from the scrap heap who wound up playing significant roles. He also avoided gutting the farm and we have started seeing some of those players come up and make big contributions (Nova, Nunez, to a lesser extent, Montero).

  165. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    “They don’t lose this series with Giambino at 1B.”

    They might not get to the playoffs if Giambi’s our starting first baseman.

  166. Vineyard Yankee October 7th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Erin October 7th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    I noticed that too from the time where it was said he dropped 30 pounds at the start of the year. When watching him pitch it looked like he added back the 30 plus 20.

  167. Erin October 7th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    New Post: Let’s chat

    :arrow:

  168. Chip October 7th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Gary October 7th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Chip no disagreement with your excellent analysis. I think the focus now back to Cashman is so what are you going to do to change the status quo? Last year the story line was we have a great team so I’m not sure I really need to make any real moves. So that team got us the divison crown, but not out of the first tier of the playoffs. I wonder if with the CC thing and the untouchability of many of the veterans if it just the second coming of the same thing as last winter/spring. We have a good team and good prospects, we will just play with what we have.

    I like most of our team, but there does need to be some moves taken. Free agency has become so competitve that you wonder if that horse or two you want comes here or goes someplace else. Trades are another avenue, but the Yanks won’t want to part or maybe they shouldn’t with the chips that could bring those two or three players here. I do wonder if it’s another of those it is what it is and we got what we got years.

    ——————

    Gary –

    Free agency is more competative because fewer good players are becoming free agents.

    I would say, after signing CC, the Yanks biggest priority should be negotiating a long term contract with Cano. His agent is Boras so that makes it hard but not impossible.

    As for what Cash’s direction will be, I think it will be to continue the plan. Get younger where you can, incorporate some of the minor league talent, and help the pitching staff. I don’t think it’s automatic that Swisher is back next year because, as I said in an earlier post, there are a couple of very talented OF options who might be available via trade.

    I also think he’ll stay away from the long term contract in the rotation – which means no CJ Wilson. That’s not to say he’s going to go out and deal half the farm for Felix Hernandez or Cole Hamels, but he might look to bring in a solid pitcher on a short term deal.

  169. JM October 7th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Sheesh, where is Bald Vinny going?

  170. Gary October 7th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Erin October 7th, 2011 at 11:19 am
    LGY-Sherman had an article this week where he said the Yankees will almost certainly talk to Sabathia about controlling his weight. I was disappointed too that he put it all back on and more. Cap n’ Crunch is a powerful drug.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I don’t have a weight issue and never have. I do know people that do though. Players have two enemies especially on the road, the abundance of avalable food and way too much time on their hands. For a person that likes to eat, it has to be very difficult. Waking up at 7 or 8AM in a strange city in a hotel with a 8:00 night game has got to be boring. Eating becomes an event to pass the time. Don’t know if he plays golf, but it might be a good idea.

  171. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Erin October 7th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    BombersBanter Breaking News: @BaldVinny of the Bleacher Creatures (Sec. 203) announces that last night MAY have been his last role call. #Yankees

    —————————–

    Vinny’s been talking about calling it quits for a while. I remember talking to him at OYS and he was saying how his wife is getting a little fed up with him only making money from selling tshirts outside the Stadium lol. He basically told him it wouldn’t be the same at the new place and he didn’t know if he’d feel the same about it. I guess he changed his mind… I hope he does again.

  172. Vineyard Yankee October 7th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    JM October 7th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Agree, Cashman had a good year. I hope he returns and sees the minor league tree bear the fruit that he planted.

  173. Betsy October 7th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Agreed that it is scary,. LGY…plus, CC was plain old bad in the postseason….and ended up giving up the winning run. I would let him walk…but it won’t happen and we will be stuck with terrioble contract in a few years

  174. mick October 7th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Do we really need that roll call?
    What does it contribute?

  175. Triple Short of a Cycle October 7th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Triple ? Its not about giving anyone a pass, its about realizing you can?t just replace 40HR and 100RBI production (btw, you don?t score 100 non important runs all season but thats moot at this point). He?s still the best option out there I just don?t know that he should ever bat left handed again.

    ————————————————————-

    He is more of a 35 home run guy but thats beside the point. Anyone you put batting third to 5th hitting on the Yankees is going to drive in close to 100 runs. Paul Oneill never put up the gaudy home run numbers that Mark does but would anyone rather see him up in a playoff game then Oneill?

    Look we are stuck with him so nothing we can do about it. The problem is we are seeing him starting to decline while he is supposed to be in his peak years which is scary to think what he will look like once he exits those years

  176. Gary October 7th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    As for what Cash’s direction will be, I think it will be to continue the plan. Get younger where you can, incorporate some of the minor league talent, and help the pitching staff. I don’t think it’s automatic that Swisher is back next year because, as I said in an earlier post, there are a couple of very talented OF options who might be available via trade.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I think it’s too easy to just pickup the $10M option, gives the farm one more year to develop and frees up $10M in 2013. I’d be surprised if he’s not back. His Twitter account is quiet, I fully expect to see some denial post at some point. I don’t think Cash has the luxury on the Pitching staff to stay pat, not with the ongoing questions on Hughes and AJ. The Yanks need that #2 or #3 starter to go along with CC and Nova, the prospects are still a year or more away.

  177. joe b October 7th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Giambino was 4 for 25 in his last 10 games for Colorado. He batted .260 with 13 HRs & 32 RBIs. “Wait till next year.” Oh that was a Dodgers saying. LOL

  178. Ed Whitson October 7th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    I hope he opts out and waddles away. Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out, fatty.

  179. Duh Innings October 7th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Games 4 and 5 were a microcosm of the 2011 Yankees:

    A team who averaged 6 runs a game or around that but scored 10 runs one night and 2 the next.

    A team whose 1-2 starter combo was not as good as their ALDS opponent’s and whose rotation was not as deep as their ALDS opponent’s. That’s right, Justin Verlander is better than C.C. Sabathia and Max Scherzer or Doug Fister is better than anyone the Yanks have after C.C. Proof is Verlander outdueled C.C., Scherzer outdueled Garcia, and Fister outdueled Nova after Nova outdueled him.

    A team who had trouble smacking around #3 or better starters which Doug Fister is among (he’s a #3 who pitched like a second ace to Verlander for the Tigers.) I saw the possibility of this coming when the Yanks didn’t smack around most #3 or better starters starting in August after they torched one (Gavin Floyd.) Check the gamelogs and you will see most of the #3 or better guys the Yanks faced had at least ok pitching lines. Guys they missed in August beat them in September (Weaver, Santana, Shields.) They finally got to “King Felix” I think (it’s a blur now) but so what? About time. Even when the Yanks took two of three over Boston 8/30-9/1 Beckett and Lester posted a 3.75 ERA against the Yanks in Boston losses.

    Brian Cashman has to be let go because he once again failed to land a #2 starter the Tigers had in Max Scherzer or Doug Fister depending on who you consider their #2 (my vote goes to Fister for last night as solid a pitcher as Scherzer is.) Cashman got lucky 2005 style with a pair of scrapheap pickups (Garcia and Colon, the 2011 versions of Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon) and an unexpectedly #3 starter or better-like callup (Nova the 2011 version of 2005 Chien Mien Wang.) The Yanks should let go of Cashman and hire assistant GM Damon Oppenheimer to be the interim GM who is made the GM only if the 2012 Yanks at least reach the ALCS.

    The Yankees should let Sabathia walk if he opts out of his current contract and asks for seven or more years because he is too old (31 now, 32 next 7/20) and fat (my guess at least 260 pounds) to give seven or more years to.

    The way I see it, Nova is at least a #3 starter, Burnett a #4 starter, and Hughes a #5 starter, or all three are a 3/4/5 part of a rotation in whatever order. If the Yanks signed a new pair of one-year reclamation projects and one or both of them pitched #3 starter or better well like $1.5M Garcia AND $900K Colon did most of 2011 – why not considering Garcia had a 4.64 ERA and Colon didn’t even pitch in MLB in 2010? – the 2012 Yanks are at least wildcard competitive and could be division title competitive if they traded for an ace or #2. If the 2012 Yanks don’t land an ace or #2 in a midseason trade and make the postseason, they could pursue free agents Matt Cain and/or Cole Hamels et.al.

    The Yanks should offer A-Rod and $71.5M or half of A-Rod’s remaining $143M on his contract to Seattle who’d get A-Rod for 6 years and $71.5M, an average yearly salary of just under $12M. The Yanks should consider this money a buyout and freeing up $71.5M. If they can piss away $46M on Kei Igawa ($26M posting fee + $20M salary), $8M on Jose Feliciano (who will never throw a pitch in a regular season game for the Yankees), $4.25M on Damaso Marte (his $4M salary for 2011 + $250K buyout on a $4M club option for 2012), and $13.1M on 2011 Posada (while Posada came on strong towards the end of the regular season had an excellent postseason, his 14 HR and under 50 RBI were nowhere close to what a guy making $13.1M should produce), they can piss away $71.5M sending A-Rod back to where he began his career. It would be great for the Mariners, the last AL team to not reach a World Series, and MLB if A-Rod broke the all-time homerun record with Seattle. Maybe A-Rod helps Seattle get to their first World Series and I’d imagine Ms fans would be happy with the Ms just getting to the World Series like many Yankee fans who were born or became Yankee fans in or after 1964 were ecstatic to see the Yanks reach the 1976 World Series and I was thrilled to see the 1995 Yanks reach the postseason after becoming a Yankee fan in 1982 , enduring all those years without the Yanks in the postseason with some close calls (1983, 1985-87, 1993, 1994) and just bad baseball (1989-92 although ’92 was somewhat of a turning point as that team was better than the 1989-91 teams despite finishing with only 76 wins.)

    To conclude, let’s all hope the Phillies win tonight because them losing will make 2011 even worse: the Phillies got upset by the WildCardinals (my nickname for them LOL), and you couldn’t get to a rematch with the Texas Rangers. The Tigers are winning the 2011 World Series if the Phillies don’t reach it. I hope the Tigers win it cuz at least I (we) could say the Yanks were beaten by the best like they were in 2002 and 2004 or beaten by the league’s best like they were in 2006 and 2010.

  180. 4 NYY October 7th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Having read almost this entire blog, I really don’t have much to say. Someone or another has said almost everything that I wanted to say. But, the one thing that stands out against the Yanks is that we have too many players that don’t perform well in the post season.

    And it looks like CC wants to opt out. Maybe back to NL. I don’t see him doing better at this point in his career in the AL.

    And I look forward to the Hot Stove League.

  181. joe b October 7th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    It’s good to see all the Yankees fans taking this so well. The only thing better than this would be the Phillies going down tonight.


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