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First things first: Cashman’s status

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 08, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

As Thursday night gave way to Friday morning, Brian Cashman walked into the Yankees clubhouse through the door in the back of the room. He looked around at groups of reporters gathered around Alex Rodriguez and a few other players, then found himself a seat on the couch in the middle of the room.

He was waiting his turn.

As reporters finally gathered around the Yankees general manager, the conversation inevitably turned to the winter. Problem was, no one could say for certain that Cashman would be the man making the decisions this winter.

“That’s not for me to say,” Cashman said. “I have a contract that runs until the end of the month, so it’s going to be a long month.”

Does he want to be back?

“Yeah, that hasn’t changed,” Cashman said.

Publicly, the Yankees front office has been supportive of Cashman. Of course, losing in the division series — in a year when Cashman did not upgrade the team at the trade deadline — does leave some level of uncertainty.

“I’m disappointed for our fans and I’m disappointed for ourselves,” Cashman said. “I’ll sit down with ownership. Obviously they’re going to be very disappointed and rightfully so. We’ll deal with that on another day. I wasn’t prepared to talk about it tomorrow or tonight, for any aspects of our club, including myself. So that’ll be for another day. Unfortunately we’re going to have to deal with all that stuff sooner than we wished.”

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302 Responses to “First things first: Cashman’s status”

  1. Villa Nova-Ya October 8th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Repost:

    Losing once you get to the playoffs is not fun, to be sure, but I don’t understand the attitude that the entire 162-game season was a waste of time if they don’t win the WS.

    This was an enjoyable season, with a lot of positives. You don’t win 97 games by accident. And you don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater.

    In perspective, they were ONE HIT away from moving on. One timely hit in any of games 2, 3 or 5 nets a win.

    And I loved Damon and Matsui, but you can’t get 2009 Damon and Matsui back. And the fact is in all of the years both of them were here, they only won ONE WS. What they had in 2009 was ARod being “clutch” (for lack of a better word). A clutch/healthy ARod this post-season most likely gets them at least to the ALCS. Or, perhaps a key hit from a bench player could have netted that one hit in Game 5 (but we’ll never know).

    So it’s not Damon and Matsui they needed; they simply needed one of the players they already have to come up big in a key spot. In 3 games, that didn’t happen.

    In the DS, teams with depth that carries them through a 162-game season have no particular advantage in the 3 of 5 set-up. A hot team, or a single hot player; or conversely, can get a team through to the next level. Conversely a better team that simply is not clicking can fall short. Or at team whose Ace has a bad game (Cliff Lee) can end up losing.

  2. K-V-C October 8th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Resign Cashman, trade Tex, Don’t pick up Swish option and release A-Roid. Sign Prince Fielder.

  3. blake October 8th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    “Losing once you get to the playoffs is not fun, to be sure, but I don’t understand the attitude that the entire 162-game season was a waste of time if they don’t win the WS.”

    Totally agree. It was a successful season ….they won another division, Jeters 3000th, 602 for Mo…..all the youngsters contributing etc..

    The Yanks are in great shape for the future…..first step to continuing that as the post says is to get Cash signed back up.

  4. blake October 8th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    “Publicly, the Yankees front office has been supportive of Cashman. Of course, losing in the division series — in a year when Cashman did not upgrade the team at the trade deadline —does leave some level of uncertainty.”

    What coukd he have done differently? Traded the farm for Ubaldo? The problem is that a lot of fans don’t understand that……they just see that the Yankees lost and that Cashman didn’t trade for Felix Hernandez……so therefore …..fail.

  5. pat October 8th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Villa

    I posted the other night that being a Yankee fan has turned into a joyless experience for too many people. The journey is ignored and the destination is never quite right.

    Even in 2009, people were complaining and reconfiguring the team here the day after the parade.

    I blame fantasy baseball which has turned fans into GMs. Kidding- sort of.

    I had a torn achilles and if Howard’s is torn he knows it. Someone last night joked that they thought a fan shot Howard. I’ve never been shot but that’s how I described it when I did mine. I’m sure science has advanced since mine and he’ll get better PT than I did but 2012 is likely a lost year for him.

  6. MTU October 8th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Very high probability Cashman returns.

    On balance he’s done a great job.

    After he rappels down another building he’ll know what to do for next season.

    ;)

  7. Villa Nova-Ya October 8th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    blake -

    Agree. I know Cashman didn’t see any deals worth making at the trade deadline, but you’d think he presented his case to ownership and they were on board.

    But, they brought up Montero and Montero was impressive and ownership has to be happy about that, for one. Romine also did a nice job for them behind the plate when Cervelli went down.

    Banuelos and Betances didn’t progress as quickly as hoped, and perhaps had some “setbacks” (again for lack of a better word) in their development (mainly command issues), but the minor league players like Nunez and Nova contributed greatly to the regular season success of the team, and Nova came up big in the DS. I am sure a missed a couple.

    I think they stick with Cashman through one more contract, and let him finish what he started with the farm system finally reaching a point where it is bearing fruit, and having some promising players on all levels.

    And the other side of that – who instead of Cashman if they go in another direction?

    And if they don’t stick with Cashman, what happens to Girardi?

    If anything, I would think the front office might have more of an issue with how Girardi managed Game 5 with regard to his bench. Cashman provided perhaps the strongest bench the Yankees have enjoyed in a few years, and in the final innings of the season, Girardi did not take advantage. On the other hand, Girardi did a fantastic job with the pitching all season long, including in Game 5.

  8. Villa Nova-Ya October 8th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    pat -

    Sadly, it is true about the joylessness of too many fans.

    And I don’t think you’re too far off the mark “blaming” fantasy baseball. Video baseball, too. Both based on players with certain statistics who will always perform to those statistics – totally removing the human element.

  9. RhapsodyInBlue October 8th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    The Yankees imo will move quick on Cashman to get back him in the fold and to work on making the 2012 version of our beloved Yankees.

  10. Yankee Trader October 8th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    The Yankees had a terrific season winning 97 games in the toughest division in baseball. They were one timely at bat from advancing to the ALCS. In fact I believe now that the Phillies are out, either of the AL teams can win the WS despite not having HFA.

    I really believe the winner of the most games in each division should be rewarded and be able to choose their 1st round opponent, especially if it’s going to remain a 5 game series.

  11. Terrekain October 8th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    I don’t see the need for major surprises or changes.

    The Yankees actually played pretty good baseball, but the Tigers were just a little bit better. A 3-2 loss in game 5 is a something within “margins of error”. The Yankees could have won the series as easily as they lost it.

    You don’t blow things up and press panic buttons for those kinds of results.

    This is a good team.

    And blowing it up can only make it worse.

  12. Yankee Trader October 8th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    NY Post article by Joel Sherman-”Offseason full of questions for Yankees”
    Predicting the Yankees possible offseason moves:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....nKfETj0oxK

    Offers some room for debate.

  13. RadioKev October 8th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    I supported Cashman when he did nothing at the trade deadline. I still do. Jimenez was fool’s gold, and there weren’t many other viable options.

    His patience may show more rewards next season as we mix in more prospects to the big league team.

  14. JM October 8th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    I agree the Yanks will re-sign Cashman pretty quickly and then deal first with CC.

    The Phils’ offense looked very old last night. Was thrilled to see them lose but sorry to see Howard go down like that. He is going to miss significant time I would think. That contract to him was a big mistake even before this injury. A shame, really. I have met him a couple of times and he’s a pretty likeable guy.

  15. Yankee Trader October 8th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    I really believe the winner of the most games in each division should be rewarded and be able to choose their 1st round opponent, especially if it’s going to remain a 5 game series.

    Meant to say in each league, not division.

    Thoughts?

  16. RadioKev October 8th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Next year should be fun, more Nova, hopefully more Montero and Hughes, Cano batting third, and a wealth of surprises.

  17. upstate kate October 8th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    good morning all

    I had to take a day off from here, and baseball in general. I was so disappointed, I was sure the Yankees would come thru. I didn’t want to get caught up in the blame game. Good points this am regarding the season. There were many high points.

    I did watch bits and pieces of both NL games last night, both exciting right until the end. I enjoyed watching the best pitching staff evah knocked out…I guess you need to score runs as well :)

  18. Villa Nova-Ya October 8th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    The Post, et al., is going to be full of suggestions for “improvements” to the Yankees, and moves to be considered. They won’t be able to keep themselves busy enough if they go with the story line that the Yankees only need tweaking.

    I am going to try to avoid the hype.

  19. GR October 8th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    I haven’t been to the comments on this blog for some time and I have to say how very refreshing it is to see these more positive thoughts about this team and this season! I am one who thoroughly enjoys the regular season and absolutely hate how some just wipe it all out and want an entire overhaul over one series.

    You have made my day today and I just may have to rejoin this group!

    Have a great day everyone!

  20. Phranchise October 8th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Here’s the thing. A few years ago Damon struggled and was hurt, they were getting bounced early in the playoffs. Matsui the same. Now years later and post world series people are wanting them back and that’s when they were old and done apparently before 2009. At their ages they were still quite productive to win a world series and a play decently this year.

    So why is it that Tex as young as he is can’t break thru in the playoffs like Arod did in 2009? Why is Arod officially done and dead in the water? I get the injuries, but players come back, can you tell me that the guy isn’t in better shape that most baseball players? Has there ever been a complaint about work ethic? The guy is accountable. Not like A Gone who did nothing to bail the Sox out in the final month and then cried about their long travel trips and needing to play night games for national television? What??????? And this is the guy we want over Tex, the one that couldn’t even get them to the playoffs? And then Swish, granted he should never have been hitting 6th when he was obviously cold as ice, but he is a secondary player. So was Delmon Young for years, years he was on the Twins where he was an easy out, but we saw him come out of it.

    This playoff series was a team loss. Pitching held up mostly, but CC wasn’t great and Garcia was bound to get crushed against any decent offensive team. Jeter had so many big spots during the series, the double was the only big hit. Top to bottom everyone was bad except for Jorge (another guy who was essentially done but amazingly had a great series), Gardner (of course keep batting him ninth) and maybe Granderson & Cano. 4 hitters does not make a lineup when everyone else was that bad.

    Swisher and Tex are 31 year old players who have helped get us to the postseason the years they were here, staying in there when Arod, Jeter and the rest have gone down to injury. Eventually they will make an impact in the playoffs as well. Or they will do it elsehwere and everyone will want them back.

  21. blake October 8th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    I actually tend to think the fantasy baseball crowd isn’t the problem……they watch a lot of other teams because they follow their players and they have some perpectove and idea of players actual value.

    Its the fan that only watches the Yankees and boos when they don’t win 162 games that is the problem…..they have no perspective.

  22. JM October 8th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    GR,

    There is still some great baseball discussion here and some incredibly knowledgeable posters. Just try to ignore the trolls. :)

  23. Yankee Trader October 8th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    JM-

    Why do you believe the contract for Ryan Howard was a mistake? Interested.
    He definitely had an achilles injury-it’s not being released yet whether it was torn.

  24. Phranchise October 8th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Red Sox best team ever didn’t make the playoffs

    Yankees bow out in the first round

    Phillies with that staff, easy road to the WS according to Cliff Lee, losing first round to a challenged Cards team.

    Who would have guessed it?

  25. blake October 8th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    GR,

    Welcome…..though the morning crowd may not be the most accurate sample of all the comments ;)

  26. upstate kate October 8th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    I played FBB for the first time this season, and it gives me a new appreciation for what a manager goes thru. You field your best team, and sometimes things just don’t work out.

  27. Yankee Trader October 8th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    GR-

    Welcome. The morning crowd is more reasonable, while the children are still fast asleep. :)

  28. JM October 8th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    YT –

    I just think Howard is not going to age well. He’s already had some injuries before last night’s; had a bad ankle in 2010 that bothered him a lot of the year. He’s lost some weight and seems to be in better shape than earlier in his career so maybe he will age better than I think but I don’t see it.

  29. Yankee Trader October 8th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Predictions for round 2. I only had one right from the first round and that was picking the Cardinals to upset the Phillies in 5.

    Tigers in 7-Verlander pitching and Cabrera, Martinez doing to the Rangers lefty starters what the Yankees would have done.

    Brewers in 6- Cardinals finally run out of gas-pitching gas.

  30. JM October 8th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Howard is saying he thinks he tore his Achilles. What a shame if that’s true.

  31. Yankee Trader October 8th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    I just think Howard is not going to age well. He’s already had some injuries before last night’s; had a bad ankle in 2010 that bothered him a lot of the year. He’s lost some weight and seems to be in better shape than earlier in his career so maybe he will age better than I think but I don’t see it.
    ————————————————-
    JM-
    The reason I asked the question, and you answered it as I expected, was about his weight and conditioning. Those are some of the same issues the Yankees have to be concerned about when deciding to redo CC’s contract and give him more years until age 38-39.

  32. austinmac October 8th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    I agree this was a generally successful season. It gave us nearly six months of good baseball. Winning it all will be great, but it is good to goner to year with your team having a chance.

    I think, but I am not sure the Yankees agree, they need to add a good left handed hitting OF bat. Not doing so would not account for regression from age of the offense that is around the corner. It is problem when your team in Yankee Stadium is much better from the right side.

    A no. 1 or 2 starter will be no easier to get this year than last. No one is a sure thing on the free agent or international market, and I would hate to give up Montero’s bat for a no.2 starter.

  33. JM October 8th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    YT,

    I have to say when I saw Howard this year he looked like he was in much better shape and had lost a good deal of weight. It’s ironic that after all that he then suffers what could be a pretty devastating injury.

    As for CC, I agree. I am sure he’s going to want more years and that would make me very nervous.

  34. blake October 8th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    The reason to believe Howard wont age well has more to do with his swing than his conditioning or the injury……his left swing is a prettier version of Tex’s with a hole the size of Texas in the middle of it. Neither of them keep the bat in the zone very long and that becomes more an more of an issue as age zaps a player of bat speed and timing…….one difference though is that Tex doesn’t have the issue with lefties because that’s actually a strength for him…….

  35. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 8th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    If there is one lesson we have learned when it comes to signing players to long term contracts is this, they become shells of themselves. Aroid comes to mind. CC can not be given an extension to his current contract. DO NOT DO IT CASHMAN!!!

  36. Yankee Trader October 8th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    It looks like Howard did tear his achilles, although that information hasn’t been released. The sudden motion out of the batters box, tensing the achilles, and dropping to the ground immediately, while holding the back of his achilles pretty much confirms it. However I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express

  37. pat October 8th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Can you imagine if everyone in everyday life had their salary written on them at all times.

    Lots of people might not think you are worth what you are getting paid. :wink:

    I guess I come at the money thing from a different place than most. It’s a business deal not a referendum on talent and expectations to me.

  38. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 8th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Adding years to CC’s contract is like betting on politicians making absolute cuts in the nations’s spending.

  39. Keith--FL October 8th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Cashman needs to ask Girardi why Chavez, Jones, or Montero never got a chance to get that big hit in game 5, b/c trying someone different with less mental overload of previous postseason failure may have worked and allowed us to be getting ready for game 1 of the ALCS at home tonight and to avenge the loss last year vs Texas….October 8, 2011 at 8:29 am
    Cashman is still saying his usual quote that the offense is strong, no big changes needed, etc….and we need pitching……well then we can expect the same results b/c our lack of clutch hitting will fail us again….no Damon or Matsui, no 2009 title, and they have not been replaced, hence the 2010-2011 playoff failures…..we need clutch hitters Cashman!!!
    Its hard to follow the team all year to watch the same playoff failures with the GM in denial about it….

  40. Yankee Trader October 8th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Blake-
    I have to go soon, but speaking about holes from the left side, it seems to me that the all the Yankees have difficulty hitting a pitcher with a good change-up from the left side.

    Will the Cardinals send a nice fruit basket to the Braves for handing them the wild card?

  41. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Keith

    It is tough to get a read on Cashman, he says a lot of things publicly that make you scratch your head thinking does he really believe what he is saying?

    Girardi is a by the book, in-flexible, rigid as they come manager who appears incapable of thinking outside the box, deviating from the status quo, and planning for any contingencies. Unfortunately, as long as Cashman will remain the GM, I got to believe Girardi will hang on as well.

    Girardi is the biggest weakness on this team, too bad Ownership is incapable of recognizing that.

  42. Doug Fister is 8-1 with a 1.79 ERA -- with Detroit October 8th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Please don’t insult the other true aces in the league by calling C.C. an ace.

    C.C. has never performed in a big game in his entire career. Never once.

  43. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    By the way I am not sold on Cashman going forward. Although he has done some good things with the farm and made some good non-moves, I really have found myself questioning his roster construction often over the last few years. I think he is a good GM but he is not a must have.

  44. austinmac October 8th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    The reason the bench wasn’t used is the presumption the starters were the best players. If a LHRP would have been brought in, then a pinch hitter would have been used. Girardi was crucified for pinch hitting Chavez, and Montero and Jones hit far worse againt RHPs. I would have liked to have Montero get more swings, but for whom? Gardner who hit well, Posada who hit well, Martin for whom the Yankees didn’t believe could be replaced defensively?

    As someone noted above, the bench is of little use in an AL playoff series.

  45. pat October 8th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Someone today writing about Yankees and joylessness.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....0LeTQgZaVN

  46. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    The way Arod was performing after his injuries was a signal he should not have been batting clean-up in the play-offs. This is an endightment of Girardi’s lack of flexibility.

    The way TEX hit RHP for the last two years and still was slotted in the 3 hole up into the last week of this season shows Girardi’s lack of flexibility.

    The way he played Martin to the point he was wore out and absolutely refused to give Montero any meaningful playing time once he was called up despite Martin hitting in the .230s and Montero showing the ability to hit well is yet another example of Girardi’s lack of flexibility.

    Girardi deserves a heap of criticism for his moves and non-moves.

  47. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 8th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Excellent article by Mike Vaccaro. Can Yankee fans find a way to redefine their own definitions of Yankee success? I don’t know the answer to that but the article certainly provides an accurate backdop for the outrage that permeates the lohud blog when Yankee players fail and (horrors) when the Yankees lose.

    http://www.newyorkpost.com/p/s.....0LeTQgZaVN

  48. raymagnetic October 8th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    “C.C. has never performed in a big game in his entire career. Never once.”

    Except for when he singlehandedly led the Brewers into the playoffs the year before the Yankees signed him.

    And the 2 games he won against the Angels in 2008 and the game he won against the Twins the same year.

    You are just dumb and I’m wasting my time posting to an idiot but what the hell. It’s early and it’s a Saturday.

  49. Bronx Jeers October 8th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    I guess I come at the money thing from a different place than most. It’s a business deal not a referendum on talent and expectations to me.

    ——————————————–

    I agree but on the other hand these salaries set precedents. If player X earns $20MM and free agent player Y is better than X then player Y will earn more than X.

    Then if Y doesn’t produce more than X, he is thought to be not worth the contract he received.

    This is not absolute bet generally true.

  50. pat October 8th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    RIP Al Davis

    Another infamous owner passes.

  51. Ed Whitson October 8th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Cashman should go. CC should not be extended. He is over-rated now (horrible in the playoffs) and he will be a train wreck in a few years.

  52. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    I don’t give a rats behind how much a player makes unless his performance is not what was expected and unless his salary prevents the team from moving forward on other moves because of its salary structure being maxed out. It’s at that point when a guy who is getting serious money is hurting the team I root for.

  53. Doug Fister is 8-1 with a 1.79 ERA -- with Detroit October 8th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    “C.C. has never performed in a big game in his entire career. Never once.”

    —-

    Did you see last night’s game?

    Show me the last time C.C. performed anything close to that level in a big game like that.

    Duh.

  54. Doug Fister is 8-1 with a 1.79 ERA -- with Detroit October 8th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Duh. again.

  55. upstate kate October 8th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Thanks Pat and Trisha.

    We are fortunate to cheer for a team that almost always makes the post season.

  56. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Sure CC came up short in the post season but to say he is over-rated is really stretching things.

    CC should be extended at a reasonable cost. He is a horse, he is a performer and without him the yankees rotation would be in a shambles and their bull-pen would be shot.

    Where were you when CC absolutely dominated teams for two months during the season?

    Had he not pitched like that maybe NY does not sail into the playoffs and seal HF advantage.

  57. Bronx Jeers October 8th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Many are critical of Torre because they failed to win a championship over a 7 year span even though they were 2 time finalists.

    Compare the results of Girardi’s “first term” to Torre’s.

    I guess Girardi should be strung up by that standard.

  58. raymagnetic October 8th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    “Did you see last night’s game?”

    Sure did. I was happy to see the Phillies lose.

  59. blake October 8th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Trader,

    A good CU is tough on most lefties……Cano and Granderson have the bat speed and swings to wait ling enough to handle them…..Tex and Swisher have more trouble…..Tex because of his swing and Swisher because of his approach.

  60. Erin October 8th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    So, I don’t know about anybody else, but I’m really looking forward to that Boston/Philadelphia World Series. :P

  61. JM October 8th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    A bad contract can also prevent a team from addressing other areas of need. That could eventually become an issue with the Phillies.

  62. raymagnetic October 8th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    As poorly as CC pitched down the stretch he still was

    6th in Player WAR
    2nd in Pitcher WAR
    4th in ERA plus
    2nd in Strikeouts
    2nd in Wins

    And this is when he struggled down the stretch. I find it quite funny that people see CC as some kind of a poor pitcher that the Yankees don’t need.

    No CC next year, no playoffs next year either.

    But the Yankees will re-sign CC if he opts out. No question about it.

  63. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    I think a good CU is tough on righties too. From the LH side, for whatever reason, NY has two switch hitters who really struggle, Swish and TEX, I imagine its the YS effect sucking them into thinking long-ball first and hard contact second. So they really flail at OS stuff.

    From the RH side, it is amazing how good both TEX and Swisher’s swing look. Just ready to crush whether its a CU or a FB.

  64. jonathan p October 8th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    is this crazy? how about giving jesus an outfielders mitt, putting him in rightfield and letting swisher walk? i do NOT want to lose montero’s dynamic bat but am not sure you want to DH a 22 year old kid who may not possess the skills to stay behind the plate. My first choice would be first, but that position is taken.

  65. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    I would be shocked if CC and NYY are not together next season.

    I believe CC has taken to NY and there is no question NY needs him despite the cost.

  66. blake October 8th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Let’s remember that CC threw both times this postseason on 2 days rest ……despite how he three they need him to make the playoffs……he’s the glue that holds the rotation together.

  67. Villa Nova-Ya October 8th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    I think Girardi has some weaknesses, but he is not nearly as bad as he is portrayed here. And he is not the weakest part of the Yankees team.

    He deserves questions/criticism regarding Game 5, for sure, and possibly Game 2.

    But you cannot deny that between and Rothschild they were able to create a pitching staff and bullpen that defied the odds.

    I understand that the bench was not the “correct” handedness, but you’re down one run, you’ve got 2-3 innings left to your season, there are guys in the lineup who seem to be struggling and you’ve got an opportunity to try something – a “lightning in a bottle” moment. Montero has hit RHs – he did so in Game 4, as a matter of fact. He may have pinch hit and failed with it, but sometimes you need to take a chance.

    Girardi managed his bullpen so that it was a huge strength – they remained strong throughout the post-season. With the exception of Ayala, I am not disappointed with a single pitcher in that bullpen. He may be somewhat short-sighted with his offense, but to some extent Girardi and any NY manager is in a darned if you do darned if you don’t situation with every decision.

  68. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    It is crazy because Montero is almost as slow as Jose Molina, so sticking him in RF holding a glove is fantasy baseball.

  69. blake October 8th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    CC will be back next year…..im just hoping they only have to tack on 1 year

  70. blake October 8th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    I think Girardi is ok……they lost because they didn’t swing the bats….they have too many hitters that can be pitched to right now.

  71. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Girardi admittedly does an excellent job with the BP. He has a good sense there.

    I do not like how he has handled the SP though during his reign.

    And his line-up construction and in-game mgt skills are poor.

    He is a weak spot. He needs to go.

  72. Joe from Long Island October 8th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Good morning –

    1. Nice discussion, overnight, about Darvish. I’ve not seen him pitch, nor video. However, I’d be very careful, and evaluate him very carefully. The only truly successful Japanese starter I can recall was Hideo Nomo with LA. Irabu, Igawa, DiceK, and Tazawa were all overrated and mediocre at best.

    2. Phillies in a heap of trouble going forward. Aging lineup, Howard badly hurt, contracts coming up, and weak farm.

    3. I’d look to upgrade rf. If Kemp cannot be obtained at bearable cost, then wait a year and expend only money. In that case, use a one year stopgap- like Swish.

    4. Phillies want to unload some salary and add an of bat, while they re-trench? Swish as part of a deal for Doc. That would work for me, :)

    5. Al davis died? One of the greats of the AFL.

  73. RadioKev October 8th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 10:54 am
    It is crazy because Montero is almost as slow as Jose Molina, so sticking him in RF holding a glove is fantasy baseball.
    ——–

    Montero isn’t that slow! Yet.

    I did win my first fantasy baseball season this year :D

    Drafting Granderson with my first non keeper pick, Miguel Cabrera, trading Lincecum for Ryan Madson and CC Sabathia, and trading Cano for Ryan Zimmerman, Andrew McCutchen, and Ben Zobrist, and the Lance Berkman and JJ Hardy pick ups paid off.

    Lots of good luck ;)

  74. blake October 8th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    “And his line-up construction and in-game mgt skills are poor.”

    Lineup construction is overrated…….you still have to have the guys actually hit when its their turn. He made the move to get Cano in the 3 hole…….other than that the guys that are supposed to perform didn’t get it done.

    Now he could have hit Montero for Martin…..but they screwed that up months ago when they refused to bring him ip and then refused to let him catch when they did…….

  75. JobaTipsHisCap October 8th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Why is girardi ok?
    Since arod is not even close to be 100% and his performance in sep proved it, why did girardi moronically put him in cleanup spot in every postseason game?

    I don’t understand.

  76. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    I’m not a Cashman fan any longer, but I haven’t spent any time wishing he were going elsewhere since it’s moot – he’s not.

  77. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 8th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Raymagnetic, the idiot loser you responded to is a Sux troll who hasn’t been able to tear himself away from the lohud blog all season long. When some freak spends an entire season on another team’s blog and plays the role of greek chorus, you know you are dealing with someone with a total psychosis. Even the sinking of his titanic Sux wasn’t enough to keep him away from our blog.

    Yankee season is over and still he’s here. As much as I loathe the Sux, I wouldn’t waste a second of my life on one of their blogs. This just gives total credence to what one of the Boston Globe top sports reporters said years ago. Sux fans live in perpetual envy of Yankee fans. And because they cannot be them, they do anything they can to be around them.

  78. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Villa, tell that to Randy Levine…………if his attitude reflects Hal’s attitude, then I guess Hal was miserable the entire year. IMO, while I love the intense desire to win, there’s something very bitter and spoiled in the “waah, we didn’t win, so the team failed and had a terrible year” type of attitude.

  79. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    RadioKev

    Bottom line for Montero and NY is NY needs to find him a way to get him 400+ AB somewhere next year though through some combination of DH and C. Foot speed doesn’t mean squat there!

  80. Villa Nova-Ya October 8th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    What is wrong with his lineup construction?

    What do you propose?

    Girardi has mentioned that he wanted to switch Cano and Tex but he felt he needed ARod in there to make sense.

    Girard has a skeleton lineup that he works with and makes adjustments based on that skeleton.

    He is not totally inflexible. He switched Jeter and Damon. He tried Brett Gardner in the lead off spot (and he did not respond as well as hoped). He put Granderson at the #2 spot from down lower in the lineup. He builds a lineup around matchups. I really don’t know what any other manager would do with the regular everyday players that Girardi has. He believes his players deserve to know where they are hitting on a regular basis. He believes it helps them to be productive. After 97 wins this year, A WS and two playoff appearances, I don’t know that I’m ready to blast him for that belief system.

    If he has a flaw it is in believing the guys will always perform to their best capabilities and he gives them a lot of leeway.

  81. blake October 8th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Betsy

    Aside from his media act what don’t you like about Cashman?

  82. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    blake, the question is still why are yankees hitters entitled to hit at a certain part of the batting order? That is Girardi’s mantra and apparently Cashman is ok with it.

    I go by performance vs. icon status. It doesn’t mean you pull a Torre and embarass A-rod by batting him 8th but there were no signals in September that Arod was primed to perform in the clean up slot.

  83. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    One problem I have with Cash (and Hal) is that they are in LOVE with Girardi – Joe can do no wrong. I do wonder about Montero next year – it appears the entire organization is scared to death of him catching – so, nevermind what Cashman or Newman say; they clearly don’t think the kid can catch at all. Plus, Joe doesn’t appear to be the type to nurture a youngster – whether it’s Montero or some other kid that may come up here in the future. I don’t know that Montero will get the chance he needs……..and while I don’t think Cashman will trade Montero, I guess it wouldn’t shock me if he does (which would not speak well of the man as GM)

  84. Bronx Jeers October 8th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    I still can’t get over the Phils getting knocked out despite their “super rotation”

    The fans looked despondent after the game. Gotta love it.

  85. Villa Nova-Ya October 8th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Levine or any other Yankees official saying they are unhappy with the result and that the team failed in achieving its ultimate goal is not saying the the Yankees officials were unhappy with everything that happened this season. It means they are not happy with the result. It means they failed to achieve the result, not that they think the Yankees are failures.

    Saying they are going to go to work on addressing what might have led to that failure to get to WS is what you’d expect.

    I know a lot of people will not see the distinction.

  86. JobaTipsHisCap October 8th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Awesome game last night, that’s how real ace should perform, on both winning and losing pitcher.

  87. Purenyyankee October 8th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    R.I.P. Al Davis. You were one of the very few owners in sports that always recognized and complimented the Yankees. “Performance to Excellence” could be our mantra as well.(Just not the last 2 years)

  88. Villa Nova-Ya October 8th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    We also don’t know what the conversations are behind closed doors. The Yankees generally do not air their dirty laundry in public (unless they have reason to, of course).

  89. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Girardi’s line-up construction flaws are based on the idea that how a guy used to perform some time back is inevitably the way the guy will perform soon enough despite his on-going struggles.

    Tell me over the last two years, did TEX deserve to bat in the 3 hole against RHP?
    Did Martin deserve to get 500 AB hitting in the .230s? Did ARod deserve to bat clean-up after missing half the season with injuries and showing zero power after his return? Did Montero deserve to warm the pine despite his performance in September?

    Let me ask you a question, in a big game, do you want Joe Girardi managing your team. Is he a plus, a minus or a neutral. IMO he is a minus and IMO the NYY won the 2009 series despite its manager.

  90. tomingeorgia October 8th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Nice piece on “Reasonable Expectations” at RAB
    http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....6/#respond

  91. RadioKev October 8th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 11:09 am
    RadioKev

    Bottom line for Montero and NY is NY needs to find him a way to get him 400+ AB somewhere next year though through some combination of DH and C. Foot speed doesn’t mean squat there!
    ——-

    I think that people are closing the book on Montero catching too soon. He’s young and catching is a craft. Maybe working under Russell Martin, Tony Pena, and Joe Girardi will sharpen his skills. The bigger question seems to be SHOULD the Yankees make Montero a catcher?

    Some believe it’s too risky to put a bat like that in the catcher spot. But where do you put him? A-Rod will probably be a full time DH in his twilight years, Teixiera is still around for a while longer.

    I think this team needs to try and make him a catcher, where they’ll have a powerful advantage against most other line ups. I think this year of DHing and back up catching will be beneficial, we can ease him into the spot.

  92. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Blake, I used to love him, but I’m just soooooo tired of him. Maybe it is mostly his act in the media – I was fine with his Jeter stuff, but airing stuff publicly makes me VERY uncomfortable. Outside of that, I don’t know that I think he’s very good at developing pitching. He used Joba and Phil as guinea pigs (I can’t speak as much to Joba, but I will always believe Phil was rushed) …….. I recall they used to take Phil out of minor league games after 50 pitches. How on earth his that developing a pitcher? All that does is stunt his stamina. Now, I do not blame the Yankees for how they’ve turned out, but when you have prized pitching prospects, if they are not ready (and I know Cashman said Hughes would not pitch until September, if then, of 2007), you do not rush them. You give them as much time as they need. It is true that we are in pretty good shape in terms of arms in the upper levels of our system…….But I would like to see some position players develop into good players (besides Montero, if he remains with the team) before I give props to our entire arm system and thereby to Cashman. Everything he does seems to annoy me now – I admit that.

  93. blake October 8th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Who should have hit cleanup then? Tex? Swisher? Martin? They could have hit Posada there but aside from his great series he still was working with a diminished skill set.

    They coukd have put Granderson there and that’s what I suggested but other than than their best option was to hope Arod was Arod….

  94. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Plus, if that stuff from TZM is true, then I can’t even stomach looking at him.

  95. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Blake, he would have traded Montero for half season of Lee……..

  96. mick October 8th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    excellent article by vaccaro trish…exactly what we spoke of yesterday…levine is george’s mouthpiece, for sure, and he represents the “evil empire” as we knew it but corporate greed is rampant and might be a necessary evil. many were raised on ‘winning” yankee baseball and there’s nothing wrong with that. The evil part comes in when you sacrifice your youth for the instant gratification of a “superstar.”it’s tempting but cashman seems to be going in a different direction. no doubt, losing will not be tolerated in the bronx , as long as profits go down. girardi, like showalter and many before will be let go if playoff, or god forbid, regular season losing continues. a key player will be montero as he represents the process cashman appears to be pursuing. somehow i think he might be dealt and the referendum and clock countdown will officially begin with cashman and girardi’s heads on the line.

  97. raymagnetic October 8th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Joe Girardi only won a WS since he’s been at the helm and been to the playoffs 3 straight years.

    What’s not to like?

    Think the RS wish their manager managed their team to the playoffs the last couple years? I do.

  98. REZ12 October 8th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    One problem I have with Cash (and Hal) is that they are in LOVE with Girardi – Joe can do no wrong

    ————–

    He won a title, made it to an ALCS, and won 97 games with a team that no one gave a chance to in ST.

    Why wouldn’t they love him? Cash had no problem telling Joe to not be as tight and to fix his relationship with the media and such after 08, so he obviously has no problem revealing his flaws. Quibbling over in-game management is fruitless for ownership because every manager is the same in that regard. Look at Torre’s final years here in the playoffs.

    I think the more likely scenario is that Cash is not 100% sold on Montero as a catcher either, despite what they say publicly. If he is leaving the fate of the best Yankee prospect in 15 years in the hands of a manager (and not just Girardi, any manager even Torre when he was here), then it doesn’t speak well of Cash at all either.

  99. raymagnetic October 8th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    REZ12,

    Looks like we had the same thought.

    +1 on your post.

  100. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Phranchise, because Alex has a huge target on his back and it’s unfair. It appears he can’t stay healthy anymore, but if he could, I do not believe he’s done…………and yes, Tex’ performance (and not just post-season; we didn’t pay for a .250 hitter) has me concerned.

  101. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    blake, my clean-up hitter would have been TEX against LHP and Granderson against RHP.

    In no scenario, I would have put Arod based on how Arod performed in September.

  102. RadioKev October 8th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 11:18 am
    Girardi’s line-up construction flaws are based on the idea that how a guy used to perform some time back is inevitably the way the guy will perform soon enough despite his on-going struggles.

    Tell me over the last two years, did TEX deserve to bat in the 3 hole against RHP?
    Did Martin deserve to get 500 AB hitting in the .230s? Did ARod deserve to bat clean-up after missing half the season with injuries and showing zero power after his return? Did Montero deserve to warm the pine despite his performance in September?

    Let me ask you a question, in a big game, do you want Joe Girardi managing your team. Is he a plus, a minus or a neutral. IMO he is a minus and IMO the NYY won the 2009 series despite its manager.
    ———-

    Girardi’s faith in his players is both a strength and weakness. It paid off with Swisher this season, it paid off with Posada, and it paid off with the bull pen in all of his years with the team.

    Martin does deserve a bunch of PAs because he’s a great catcher. I think it was ridiculous to not pinch hit for him in the playoffs, but that’s another story.

    Who should bat clean up? Granderson’s BA isn’t strong enough to hit 3rd, in my opinion.

  103. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    REZ, good points ……..but even if Montero can’t catch, how can they not be sold on him as a hitter. I think he’s a complete untouchable, but if Cashman thinks his value is not as good because he’s not a catcher…….or if he trades him because Tex is blocking his way at 1B……..well, then you will see this and every Yankee board explode. I know Cashman doesn’t believe in tellling his manager how to construct a lineup for specific games, so we will have to see if he gives his manager some instructions re: making sure he gives Montero playing time next year in general.

  104. RadioKev October 8th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:20 am
    Blake, he would have traded Montero for half season of Lee……..
    ————-

    Lee was monstrous in the most post season. We surely would have won a world series with him. On the flip side, we still have Montero, Nova, and Nunez. It’s not really worth being upset about, is it?

  105. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Garcia didn’t get crushed, though

  106. RadioKev October 8th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Betsy,

    The only ones shopping Montero for every available pitcher is not Cashman, it’s the folks here on the board. Cashman pulled the trigger on a guy who’s currently one of the best in baseball. Montero is still a prospect.

    Cashman didn’t budge on Jimenez, and he won’t trade Montero for anything less than an absolute elite pitcher. People are just reflecting their own opinions and ideas onto Cashman, who hasn’t suggested he’s trying to dump Montero at all. Here’s perfectly content to keep him.

  107. blake October 8th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    He didn’t trade Montero for Lee though because he though the package was too much……

  108. Joe from Long Island October 8th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Honestly, I think the team and organization are in good shape. Boston, Philly- they have problems, as have been discussed. NYY – the issues are way more manageable.

    RF- Swish is actually better than what a lot of teams put out there. But, when you’re the NYY and have those kind of goals, you look for truly elite players (and we’re not talking Carl Crawford here). Think kemp or heyward. But until kemp is available swish is an ok stopgap. Always, think big picture.

    Hitting- it will be interesting to see Montero with 400-500 abs, and nunez with 350-400. If Tex can get off his pull everything to rf kick, and be more like the spray libertine hitter he once was, that will be a big help also. Finally, granderson needs to wait more, and let pitches travel deeper. More like Cano.

    The times are changing. The lineup will be more granderson cano montero, with Alex and Tex providing protection. That’s not bad.

  109. Yanks78 October 8th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    If they don’t think he can catch, how are they supposed to ‘nurture’ Montero? It’s not like Romine who has the athletic tools to be a plus defender. Montero is what he is probably. I also think Cashman likes what Martin brings to the table – his attitude, game-calling, leadership, etc. and don’t want to get rid of that either. He did say he was trying to get him from LAD for 3 years.

    Maybe they are concerned enough about Alex and his health to not want to allot the DH to a kid.

    It might be flawed thinking from ownership, but I don’t think the reasoning for Montero’s treatment is based on Joe not liking him. Come on now.

  110. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    No starting player deserves 500 AB if they hit in the .230s unless the season is some sort of aberration. Martin has not hit for average in 3 years. He is a fine defensive catcher but that doesn’t mean he has to catch every damn game and it also doesn’t mean that just possibly, I mean remotely, that maybe a guy like Montero could be entrusted with some reps, you know just possibly??

  111. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    I could have done without Vaccarro’s implications that because the Yankees spend $$ we are bullies………..You can tell he has an issue with the Yankees just collecting stars, so he clearly has no clue that the farm system has contributed to some of our success. I only completely agree with him about Levine’s comments which probably do reflect the Steinbrenners.

  112. Villa Nova-Ya October 8th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    blake -

    I agree. Once you get down to brass tacks, who else is hitting cleanup? Also, moving ARod down means moving other people around, too.

    Their best opportunity to move ARod from the cleanup spot was to try it BEFORE the playoffs started.

    In all candor, I’m thinking they hoped the more at-bats ARod got, the closer he would get to being more productive. Even without his timing he had a couple RBI and in 2 or 3 of those games, he actually had good at-bats.

  113. Bo knows October 8th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    You know that the manager’s job is to put players into situations where they can succeed and Girardi did exactly that, including Montero, even when his #2 went down. Montero had his success and was primed to shine against Texas pitching. The supposed two weak links were performing well. The Yankees had success against Fister before. They had handled the clown.

    So Girardi had everything in place. No manager can do more.

    The rest is drama queens with a little knowledge and a sense of entitlement.

    As to Montero and when he was brought up.

    He was marking time in AAA. He had slipped back from last year’s breakout. Players have been ruined when they were rushed.

    So again Montero was set up to succeed. They could spot him in the lineup against certain pitchers or situations. There was no pressure. The Yankees had their secret weapon for the PS.

    That worked almost too well.

    Now Montero has to commit more miracles, again.

  114. upstate kate October 8th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    The thought behind trading Montero for a half season of Lee is the Yankees expected to sign Lee after. And, had the Yankees won the WS w/Lee, it is probable that he would have signed w/ them. Cashman has held Montero back from any trades since, and that was before they brought him up and saw how good he is at the MLB level. I don’t see Montero being traded at all. I see him as the primary DH and BUC.

  115. Joe from Long Island October 8th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    And it’s still hard for me to accept that we’re not playing this weekend.

  116. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Kev, I do not think having Lee would by any means have guaranteed us a WS……….

    Blake, he didn’t not trade Montero, Jack Z made the decision for him. That trade was going down…………

  117. Yanks78 October 8th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    He tried to trade Montero twice for Lee with CLE and SEA (actually 3 times, but Philly didn’t even bother entertaining Cashman on his calls for Lee fter we beat them in the WS, remember?). And he tried to get Halladay. Those guys are legit franchise aces. Durable, strike throwing machines who are in their prime and will be effective deep into their careers.

    Also there is a reason why Levine has been around as long as he has. He is especially useful to this regime who isn’t as vocal as George was (Hal in particular). I think Hal trusts Levine more than he does Hank to go public as the ‘bad cop’.

  118. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Bo, did Girardi put Arod in a position to succeed as the clean-up hitter?

    Did Arod show any signs of a valid clean-up hitter at any point when he came back from being on the shelf seemingly half the year?

  119. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Yanks78, if this kid is an all-star hitter, nevermind where he plays D, they can not get rid of him. You don’t trade hitters like him – they don’t come around very often.

  120. RadioKev October 8th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:33 am
    Kev, I do not think having Lee would by any means have guaranteed us a WS……….

    Blake, he didn’t not trade Montero, Jack Z made the decision for him. That trade was going down…………
    ——–

    Well I can’t argue what you think, but go look at Cliff Lee’s 2010 post season. The guy was playing out of his mind. The only question would be, could we have beat the Giants? Sure, probably.

    And that’s not how it happened by all reports. Jack Z came back to Cashman after they had agreed, and tried to bump up the offer. Cashman said no and he went with the Rangers offer.

  121. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    I have no problem, never did, with how the Yankees handled Montero. They brought him up when they thought it was a good time, for him and the team, and that’s fine with me

  122. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Kevin, that’s not what I read, but at this point it doesn’t matter. The point was that Cashman was going to trade Montero for half season of Lee.

  123. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    kate, at least publicly Montero was shopped for Jimenez and this was part of a package. Unless this was some kind of ruse by Cashman it appears Cashman does not value Montero very highly. This is really troubling to me.

    I value Montero a hell of a lot more than Cashman. I would have traded Cashman for Jimenez!

  124. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Kate, I was fine with it then, but now I’m so glad it didn’t happen. I have no idea if Lee would have signed. He loved it in Philly……….

  125. upstate kate October 8th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Yankee21
    Maybe I am “misremembering”. The way I recall, the Rockies asked for Montero and Cashman said no.

  126. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    By the way if Cashman was seriously considering Montero for Jimenez as part of a package it really shows he does not value Montero and does not appreciate what he has. Someone earlier said that Jimenez was fools gold and he is, to consider trading a potentially elite bat for Jimenez demonstrates bad judgement IMO.\\ I wouldn’t have traded Montero straight up for him much less as part of some BS package the Rockies were clamoring for.

    Just shows me that Cashman may not be the GM I want steering this ship going forward.

  127. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    The Rockies asked for Montero, Banuelos or Betances and Nova…………. of course Cashman said no.

  128. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    kate, at least publicly, I do not recall Cashman ever shooting down rumors that he was shopping Montero. If he was really convinced Montero was a stud he should just say flat out he is an untouchable.

  129. ZMAN October 8th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    While the offense is a concern, you think Cashman feels good looking at his rotation now?

    CC (on a brand new deal into his late 30s after gaining like 30 lbs from the start of ST).
    Nova (1 yr experience, not a guy who misses bats or has great command – can he adjust to the league now?)
    Hughes (who even knows if he will be healthy/conditioned properly? Forget even the 2ndary stuff)
    Garcia? He did have a 4.45 ERA after the break. He also might get a multi-yr deal from someone.
    Noesi? Based on what can they rely on him? He was in the pen last year too so how will his innings situation and stamina look like)?
    Banuelos/Betances disappointed in AAA.

    Looking at that rotation, you can see how Cash would be tempted to dangle Montero.

  130. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    ZMan, then he’s not looking towards the future at all…………this team needs Montero badly.

  131. disco stu October 8th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    For 2012, here is what I would like to see the Yankees do:

    Let Swisher walk and use the corner outfield positions as a platoon – how about looking into bringing back 2 role players from 2009 in Melky Cabrera and Jerry Hairston Jr. and have them share the duties in right? Both had very good seasons for KC and Milwaukee, respectively.

    I would retain Andruw Jones and keep the Gardner/Jones platoon in left … you then have 4 players for the corner outfield spots who are interchangeable, experienced, and who all have post season experience. You remove Nick Swisher, who should not be given a 4th opportunity to come up small again in October … a new direction is needed.

    For pitching, forget about Yu Darvish and C.J. Wilson … instead, look at someone like a Mark Buerhle as a stop gap measure. A veteran with a ton of experience and success and is left handed which helps balance out the rotation. You then have a top 4 of CC, Buerhle, Nova, and AJ to start the year. The 5th spot is an open competion in ST – Hughes, Noesi, Garica/Colon (if they invite them back), and see what Adam Warren, DJ Mitchell, and David Phelps can offer.

    The bullpen is so deep there is no moves that need to be made – maybe Feliciano is healthy again next year and gives the Yankees the 2nd lefty they were looking for this year.

    But I think they should be proactive with Mo’s situation – the FA crop of closers is this year, not next. So I think it behooves the Yankees to get a better fix on what Mo is thinking beyond 2012 ASAP. If there are hints that next year will be is last, then they need to decide if Robertson is his heir apparent and start grooming him (maybe have him close some games during the season instead of going to Mo) or it is going to be someone else (either inside or outside the organization).

    For the lineup, I think Cano and Granderson should be batting 3rd and 4th – they are the Yankees two most productive all-around hitters at this point and I think you need to maximize their effectiveness as run producers by having both in the middle of the lineup.

    You move Arod up to 2nd in the lineup (like we did in 2004 – he hit over 30 HR and drove in over 100 RBI that year) and you keep Tex at 5. So your lineup looks something like this:

    Jeter
    Arod
    Cano
    Granderson
    Tex
    Montero
    Right Field or Left Field platoons
    Martin
    Left Field or Right Field platoons

    What do you think?

  132. RadioKev October 8th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:37 am
    Kevin, that’s not what I read, but at this point it doesn’t matter. The point was that Cashman was going to trade Montero for half season of Lee.
    ————

    Sure. Montero is an unproven commodity. He was struggling at the plate at time. He’s not the best catcher in our system. He was still just a prospect. Cliff Lee is a top pitcher in baseball.

    Cashman isn’t paid to dream about the future. He’s paid to win championships. It’s easy to criticize the guy with retrospect, and when you have nothing personally invested in these decisions. It’s easy to say hold onto the prospects, they’re future superstars! But that’s not a way to run a baseball team. When you’ve got the opportunity to make an impact move that can put you over the top to win a World Series, that’s what you have to do.

    Winning a World Series is extremely difficult. A lot of things have to go right. We may never win a championship with Montero. The likelihood of winning a championship with Lee was pretty high.

  133. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Kevin, even Cashman said that given how the Yankees hit that year, they probably would not have won the WS……. Gary Sanchez is eons away, so he’s not even someone worth considering at this point. IMO, you do not trade Montero when he’s shown he has a potentially special bat.

  134. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 8th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    “We also don’t know what the conversations are behind closed doors. The Yankees generally do not air their dirty laundry in public (unless they have reason to, of course).”

    Absolutely true. I think one is moronic if one reads the comments put out for pubic consumption as the be all and end all.

    mick, I have no problem with the Yankee organization wanting to win every year. That’s not a bad thing. However, as someone with a working brain, I know that I have the right to set my own parameters and hence decide for myself whether I am going to enjoy the large blocks of time I devote each season to following Yankee baseball. And I do. As you know, I have been dubbed the pollyanna of the forum by a few of the most negative posters I have ever come across in my life. (who else would disparagingly call someone pollyanna anyway than a perpetual lemon sucker?)

    It isn’t that I can’t recognize less-than-positive moments in a season or don’t understand their potential impact. It’s that I know they happen to all teams, that all players have bad moments or bad spans of playing time at one time or another – or even bad seasons. However when I signed on to be a Yankee fan, many moons ago, I did it for the love of the team. And since players make up the team, I’m there for my love of the players, top to bottom. When they fail I don’t rail (that would make a good slogan, hey?) because failure is part of every life.

    I would be displaying everything ugly in a fan if I didn’t embrace and appreciate the overall body of work that is the New York Yankees. For the moments they’ve given me in a lifetime, I will stay there glued to the set cheering on every moment they play, being proud of them on eir best day and their worst. As long as they leave it all out on the field, I can live with the results. They own me and I’d have it no other way.

    And that, folks, is how pollyanna smiles through life. I don’t see it as unrealistic or unobtainable. I see it as healty, supportive, and appreciative. My glass is always going to be 3/4 full, never 3/4 empty.

  135. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Plus, it’s not like Sanchez didn’t show some flaws this year

  136. yankee21 October 8th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Every impact hitter in the major leagues was a prospect at one time. As is Montero now. It doesn’t mean you sacrifice him up for a half season rental.

  137. Bo knows October 8th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Did Arod show any signs of a valid clean-up hitter at any point when he came back from being on the shelf seemingly half the year?

    I would suggest you inquire about Hari Seldon and small sample sizes.

    You use numbers on both sides.

    Fact; Alex, pre injury was hitting commensurate with his skill level and age.
    Alex has a long successful career
    Post injury
    Alex was healthy as witness his defensive play
    His thumb was an issue

    His timing was off, but in game four he was swinging the bat extremely well.

    Finally

    There were no other options

    Nothing kills a rally more than a strikeout. So, Granderson is not an option.

    You want to complain about lineup

    It’s putting Gardner ahead of Jeter who’s an impatient opposite field hitter.

    HRs are pitcher mistakes, max effort and luck, in other words a low percentage play.

    Gardner had the base stolen and Jeter went for the low percentage play. He thought the pitcher made a mistake. That’s baseball.

  138. pat October 8th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Cano is the best hitter on the team but not a prototypical 3 hitter and especially not this year.

    He was hitting under .300 for almost half the year and didn’t break the .350 OBP threshold for much of it.

    Robbie’s OBP makes him less than ideal there and Tex’s BA makes him less than ideal.

  139. Melk Man October 8th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Tex is like a bear. Only comes out when the weather gets warm and goes back into hibernation when the weather starts to cool…..

  140. 108 stitches October 8th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Given a choice, who of the 30 teams in baseball has the best present and future ? Obviously the Yankees with the business model they use.
    Cashman will be around to see that the current method of operation stays on course. Every team goes through at least a 20% turnover in player personnel during the offseason and Cashman will do his level best to see that the 2012 version of the Yankees is improved.
    Too early to name names but it’s being worked on.

  141. Erin October 8th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    CC_Sabathia Sad day for a Raiders fan. RIP Al Davis

  142. backbench October 8th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    That Milwaukee-St. Louis-Detroit-Dallas path to the WS must be making the ‘suits’ at FOX just tingle.

  143. RadioKev October 8th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 11:48 am
    Plus, it’s not like Sanchez didn’t show some flaws this year
    ——-

    I meant Austin Romine is a better catcher.

  144. blake October 8th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    The Yankees have missed the playoffs 1 time in nearly 2 decades……..missing out on a WS this year is much easier to swallow fir me than some of those mid 2000s teams because I feel like they are heading somewhere and have a plan for the present and future……not just throwing money at every problem.

    This is a young man’s game again and the Yanks realize that.

  145. pat October 8th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    “Sources” say Buck will return as manager so the fighting Showalters live to fight abother day. Search for new GM is on in Baltimore- start sending in those resumes!

  146. Bo knows October 8th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Girardi has assets – Cano, Alex, Teix, Swisher and Grandy for the 2 to 6 slots. Juggle them as you will, there is no optimum. They are all flawed in some way.

    In my opinion, the HR mantra in the post season is a killer. You have higher quality pitchers and they make less mistakes.

    The Benoit/Swisher at bat was a prime example. There was never a pitch in the strike zone and Swisher refused to adjust, hence the result.

  147. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Ok, Kev, but he’s not nearly the hitter………

  148. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Blake if Hal has the attitude that Levine has expressed, can’t you see them making stupid, desperate moves to get back to the WS?

  149. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    I don’t know that I think the Yankees agree it’s a young man’s game – I’m not even sure how that would manifest itself in the construction of the team. They gave Jeter 4 years, they have Alex for several more years and Tex for 5. They’re going to go hog wild over Darvish and Wilson…..I don’t see this youth movement at all.

  150. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 8th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Bo knows – nothing is more unscientfic, albeit tempting, and that’s why I try not to do it, than Monday morning quarterbacking.

    I think it’s safe to say that a lot of fans generally talk off the top of their heads and get lost in moments, and a lot of the time they don’t get it right. I noticed that with the Russell Martin stuff. Fans were ballistic about Martin not getting pulled and suddenly he became an offense pariah. I don’t remember who it was, but some level-headed fan in the midst of it tried to remind people that Martin did some really good hitting during the season and wasn’t the total loser he was being portrayed as. Because he wasn’t having a great series, well he became a 100 hitter in the eyes of the irate.

    I also think mick said something pretty profound when he pointed out that it’s not easy for a manager to summarily pull someone when you are dealing with a team of stars – or many of the players are stars. It’s easy for Leyland and Maddon to shuffle the deck because most of their players don’t have the cachet of the Yankee players. It may not sound like something that should be considered, but reality does intervene.

    And if you pull Martin, who do you put in? You want someone there who isn’t going to let the game get out of hand behind the plate. Maybe you don’t throw a rookie into that situation. I’m not saying these are my thoughts but maybe the manager has to think that way.

    And finally, did anyone really think that the guys coming in, in the 9th, weren’t going to get the job done? I know I didn’t. Arod had hit some balls that went far and were caught, if I recall correctly.

    Is every move every manager makes the correct one? I’d say odds of that aren’t high. But because fans think a move isn’t a good one doesn’t mean it wasn’t. Hard to know which were and which weren’t since we don’t have the information they are sitting with. That’s why I don’t get into heavy accusing about managerial moves. I don’t know what the thinking is or the information is.

    And finally, as St. Joe always says, the thing that separates genius from idiot in managing is the play working out.

  151. pat October 8th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Yankees have the best blend of vets, primetimers and kids than they have had in a long time.

  152. RadioKev October 8th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
    Ok, Kev, but he’s not nearly the hitter………
    ——-

    No, he’s more of a typical catcher. I’m not arguing Montero off the team, I love his potential just as much as anyone else. I just completely understand why a GM would trade potential for results without a second thought.

  153. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 8th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    “”Sources” say Buck will return as manager so the fighting Showalters live to fight abother day. Search for new GM is on in Baltimore- start sending in those resumes!”

    That makes me smile. Nothing brought me quite as much happiness in the month of September than watching the fighting Showalters mow down team after team. And of course their finally mow was the best of all.

    I sincerely hope it carries over and those kids on that team realize they do have the talent there to beat good teams. I like to see the also rans and the disrespected teams show some moxie. (Sux always the exception)

    :)

  154. Bo knows October 8th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    This is a young man’s game again and the Yanks realize that

    Considering that Cashman in control started in 2006, and he started with bare bones and no staff, then the crusher A Rod fiasco, the man is a miracle worker. A yearly winning product on the field and a loaded minor league system.

    Theo gets the genius label but he got smoked by the elf. Cashman’s ability to adapt to adverse situations is unparalleled. His greatest talent is getting quality staff. The Oppenheimers, the Longs, Rothschields, Epplers.

  155. blake October 8th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Betsy,

    No I really don’t……if they didnt last winter then I see no reason to believe they will this wk terms either. I think they have made ir pretty clear that their best prospects are only available for game changing type guys……

    Pat,

    I totally agree. I thinking they are a couple of pieces away from a special club…..whether those pieces come from within or outside I have no idea.

  156. blake October 8th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    ” A yearly winning product on the field and a loaded minor league system.”

    This is all any realistic fan can ask for. Winning the WS now is very difficult……you have 3 rounds against good competition….and baseball is a game that lends itself to slumps……the best team doesn’t always win…..

  157. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Blake, while I didn’t have an issue with the Soriano thing, It does make me wonder how impatient Hal will be……………Levine shouldn’t have anything to do with it. Presidents of teams should teal with finances, etc….and leave baseball to the baseball people……..but that’s not how the Steinbrenner’s think.

  158. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Blake, you should have heard Francesca yesterday. He said that the Yankees should get to the WS 5 times and win it 3 times in a 10 year span. I shut him off after that because he clearly still has a 1950′s mentality where it was very easy to get to the WS

  159. blake October 8th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    The overall health of the game also hurts the Yanks WS chances every year……if you think about it there really aren’t that many bad teams……there are a handful…..but most teams have a star player….and most teams are being fairly well ran right now. The playing field has never been more level that I can remember…..yes the Yankees have the most money …..but because of revenue sharing there isn’t as much out there to buy…..teams are keeping their good young players……and teams are also spending g more money in the draft than ever before.

    Winning a WS might be harder today than it ever has been

  160. blake October 8th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Betsy,

    I didn’t but Francesa is one of the most ignorant people out there on this type stuff…..he has no idea what he’s talking about……none.

  161. Crawdaddy October 8th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Francesa is an idiot at times and with the Yankees he focuses on their payroll without any regard to the Yankees competition and how MLB is setup and played today.

  162. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Plus, the Yankees are in a division where the teams are not just rich, but well-run. I kind of like it, though – it keeps them on their toes. If you don’t keep up with the joneses in terms of the farm system, you will fall behind.

  163. Bo knows October 8th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Trisha

    I want to be entertained and I enjoy the details and the nuances. So it’s a micro/macro thing. The Verlander game was entertainment at it’s finest. Gardner’s hit was a surreal high and Sorriano threw a great pitch – sometimes you get the bear…

    I happen to think that Girardi is a excellent manager for the Yankees. The results speak for themselves. The clubhouse, the BP, the aging stars problems.

    In Florida Girardi was known for his out of the box thinking, you can’t do that in NY. A tough example is over in Boston. Tino lost the clubhouse and the club crashed and burned.

    In 2011 I had a great time watching the Yankees. That included screaming at Teix, Swisher, Granderson, Gardner etc. As in “Gardner you dumb (*&^, you’ve been pulling off the ball for months”. Lo and behold Gardner’s at bats changed in the PS. I was very gruntled.

  164. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    I had to get my baseball fix, that’s why I put him on. I’ve no real reason to listen to him – I doubt we’re going to have basketball, which makes me sad. I was looking forward to the Knicks…..when is the last time I’ve said that, lol.

  165. willwill October 8th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    I am a little more at peace with a philly loss… I am glad cliff and Roy go home early too

  166. Crawdaddy October 8th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    The Phillies losing yesterday just illustrates how much of a crapshoot these short playoff series can be. If your team plays poorly or not up to their potential for 2-3 games or even 1 game, you’re out of the playoffs.

  167. rb from LI October 8th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    blake October 8th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    ” A yearly winning product on the field and a loaded minor league system.”

    This is all any realistic fan can ask for. Winning the WS now is very difficult……you have 3 rounds against good competition….and baseball is a game that lends itself to slumps……the best team doesn’t always win…

    QFT

  168. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    I HATE the 5 game series……why even bother playing 162 games? I would rather shorten the season and then make the first series best of 7 as well – but that will never happen.

  169. blake October 8th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Having a lot of money just isn’t the advantage it used to be…..teams like Tampa have learned how to get the 6 best years of a player and then letting them go before ever paying them…..

  170. pat October 8th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Presidents of teams should teal with finances, etc….and leave baseball to the baseball people……..

    Nolan Ryan says Ha!

    Danny Worth replacing Delmon Young on CS roster so guess he was less fine than they thought he was yesterday.

  171. Eroc October 8th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    I kind of like it, though – it keeps them on their toes. If you don’t keep up with the joneses in terms of the farm system, you will fall behind.

    ————

    Except in the case of Yankees/Sox, keeping on their toes doesn’t necessarily mean more prudent decisions as it relates to farm talent, but rather, major league talent.

    For example, this winter, it is a good bet the focus will be on Darvish/Wilson even if they are not worth it long term. Plus, the pressure to give CC whatever he wants because we need an ace to compete. So it’s not always a positive. Plus the “pressure” to sign Jeter, Posada into their 40s and give A-Rod that contract for marketing purposes, signing Burnett because they “need” a 2nd pitcher, etc.

    Teams like Tampa have it the best. No lose situation for them. They cannot dive into the FA market so they need to focus entirely on scouting, young talent, role players, cheap FA bargains, etc.

  172. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Blake on the other hand, I think it’s sad – you can’t form any attachments just letting all your best players go.

  173. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Eroc, that’s true…………you know the Yankees are going to go whole hog for Wilson and Darvish, something I do not want to see. Then again, they wouldn’t be in this situation if their young pitching had developed.

  174. Crawdaddy October 8th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    One more thing just because Yankee ownership has the mantra of not winning the WS makes the total season a “failure”, doesn’t mean Yankee fans should have the same line of thinking. I surely don’t because you have to respect your competition and the difficulty in winning WS titles. This isn’t the 1950s with 16 teams for both leagues and just one playoff round.

  175. willwill October 8th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    guess this post season only proves that you can spend a lot, but you’re not guaranteed a victory. So that puts an end to the age old question of “buying championships” which in baseball is just so much BS, it takes a lot of luck and clutch play.

  176. Crawdaddy October 8th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    This morning I heard the 9 highest payroll teams are out of the playoffs.

  177. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    I LOVE the core four, but that is a real issue. Much as I love Jeter, for instance, we’ve got him for another 3 or 4 years. That’s another 3 or 4 years we can’t be flexible with the lineup – it’s going to hurt. But, I guess that’s the price you pay for developing such talent – and I’d rather it be this way then that the Yankees push these guys out the door and have zero relationship with them after their playing careers are done.

  178. Crawdaddy October 8th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    There is no core four any longer. It’s only Jeter and Rivera for 2012 and we’re going to miss then when those two are gone.

  179. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    The NY Post’s back page ? Bronx Bums. Wow…….the team won 97 games; if that’s a team of bums, then I hate to see what they’d call 99.9% of the other teams in baseball.

    I moved on as soon as the last out was made and honestly I have not once thought “wow, what a crappy season”. They played very well and won the division – that still means something. No, I didn’t think they were necessarily the best team going in and I wasn’t necessarily confident they’d beat the Tigers, but they were still a very good team this year. They just have serious issues consistently in the playoffs (they get knocked out early a LOT) because of their lineup – and it’s not because they aren’t trying as I’ve heard some callers suggest.

  180. blake October 8th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    Betsy,

    Yea true…..but the teams that actually create some revenue are locking their young players up…..Braun, Tulo etc all signed long term deals. I doubt that happens 10 years ago.

    The Rays worked the system to perfection with Crawford. They got him from ages like 23-29……paid him peanuts and now are watching Boston pay him 20 million a year for his decline years……the Yanks have to be careful of that trap.

  181. Yank1 October 8th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    It also hurts that Yankees players almost never give them a hometown discount. They make them pay through their nose and pay what they feel they are worth.

  182. Bo knows October 8th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Eh, after a year and half, Jeter found the magic elixir. We’re good.

  183. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Craw, I know……….yes of course we will miss them. I can not picture a team without a Mo or Jeter…………but it happened to the Yankees with Ruth, Joe D., Mantle, etc……….There’s nothing we can do about father time. I’m just saying that when you have a player like a Jeter, as Eroc says, you can’t just let him go, so your hands are tied…even if he’s not the same player he used to be (not that anyone is expecting him to be). It just makes it harder for the team to do what they might want to do.

  184. Crawdaddy October 8th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    I wouldn’t give the Yankees a hometown discount either. Just because those Red Sox players are poor businessmen doesn’t mean the Yankees have to be.

  185. blake October 8th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Betsy,

    You just have to ignore that stuff……its just dumb…….but that sells more papers than a realistic and objective look at their season.

    I would have loved a championship……but I still think it was a great season and feel like the overall health if the organization is very good.

  186. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Yank1, now that’s true and it’s frustrating to no end.

    Blake, true – they are doing that. Kudos to the players for staying where they actually apparently like to play. That’s why the Yankees can not depend on signing anyones young stud ace – or even trading for them., They simply are not available any longer.

  187. Bret The Hitman October 8th, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    Why are fans so paranoid about trading a future DH? If Cashman deals Montero the Yankees will be getting back an elite starting pitcher and because Montero’s stock has risen significantly since the 2011 trade deadline, teams won’t be asking for 4-5 A prospects to go along with Montero. They will be offering stud pitchers for Montero + B prospects.

    Frontline starters are far more rare than even the top hitting DH’s.

    Would it be such a terrible thing if the Yankees added another frontline starter?

    I’ve read some fans would quit the team if the Yankees traded Montero.

    Talk about spoiled.

  188. Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    Also, so true about Crawford. I think he’s a very good player and I kind of feel sorry for him – it’s not his fault the Sox overpaid for him.

    Blake, I had one moment of “ugh, how stupid” and then I just forgot about it. I have hardly read any “analysis” of the season frankly since the season ended. The papers are all going to say the same thing, lol. I don’t want to hear about how lousy my team is even I might feel that in the heat of the moment, lol. When you win 97 games, you are doing something right…..

  189. willwill October 8th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    unless you get felix or someone in that league.. montero is untouchable with that opposite field power of his

  190. Crawdaddy October 8th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    What makes you think Montero’s stock has risen significantly? His bat was never in question, his inability to be an everyday catcher is still a major question mark.

  191. GreenBeret7 October 8th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Looks like Eric Chavez will be announcing his retirement any day, so that puts Brandon Laird in line to be the 4 corner backup, especially for Rodriguez. Romine will be a good hitter down the line and getting most of 2012 to work with Butch Wynegar will help, as will a ST with Kevin Long.

    One thing that I’d like to see is the Yankees bring back thespecial pre-ST camp for prospects, bringing in special instructors and the ML coaching staff. I’d also bring in the minor league staffs to get them all thinking on the same page, especially on the defensive side of things.

    Montero will get plenty of game catching in 2012, because he ain’t going nowhere. No idea as to what’s in store for Cervelli. The multiple concussions really fog up that situation. Trust him that he can avoid the injuries or try to include him in a trade somewhere.

    They’ll bring in a decent starter from somewhere, but, there are plenty of good, healthy young arms to go with Sabathia, Hughes, Burnett and Nova. At least one of the three young Scranton arms will most likely replace Noesi in the bullpen for the year. That leaves a back-up outfield spot. The logical choice may be to try Justin Maxwell in the Jones spot. It will all depend on how well he recovers from the shoulder surgery. He has all of the tools to be good. He also has a lot of strikeout issues.

  192. Bret The Hitman October 8th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Any time a prospect puts up good numbers in the major leagues and performs in the major leagues, it raises their stock.

    Montero is a DH to the Yankees but that doesn’t mean other teams haven’t envisioned a position for him such as 1b.

    And I don’t buy the argument that the Yankees should DH Montero for 6 years and then make him a 1b. That’s 6 years without another frontline starter. People are cool with that? Why wait?

    If they add a starter via free agency in 2013, that’s another frontline starter on top of that. It be tough to beat the Yankees with CC, 2 frontline starters, Nova and Banuelos/Betances.

  193. GreenBeret7 October 8th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    After the year that Hernandez had this year, I’d be more inclined to wait until next year to see if he returns to his two previous seasons, because he wasn’t all that special this year.

    As far as Darvish and CJ Wilson goes, they are “whole hog” pitchers.

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