Overachieving and underachieving
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 08, 2011 
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Can you tell I’ve been going back through the Brian Cashman post-elimination interview today?
The Yankees will do an official end-of-the-season press conference at some point next week, but for now, what we have are snippets from the GM, the manager and a handful of players, all from immediately after the game, without time to digest what just happened. It some ways, that makes the comments more interesting.
Did the Yankees underachieve in the division series?
“I couldn’t say that,” Cashman said. “I think they did everything they could possibly try to do to win a series, but unfortunately you have to go up against a team that was extremely strong and well prepared as well. And talented. And this, going in, wasn’t going to be an easy series. Unfortunately they were better than us. It’s as simple as that. They didn’t want it any more than we did, but they found a way to get three wins to our two. And that’s it. There’s nothing more I can about it. Now is our time to look at 2012.”
Did the team overachieve in the regular season?
“No, I think we grew,” Cashman said. “I think there were question marks on people’s capabilities. Were they capable of doing it here? Some had a history of success elsewhere, some had a history of injuries in the most recent seasons, so I think there were a lot of questions as we exited spring training. And I think over time those questions got answered with real legitimate contributors. This team got stronger and mentally tougher along the way and showed themselves as a formidable opponent for a world championship. So I think Joe did a good job of bringing everybody together. So do I think it overachieved? I wouldn’t say overachieved. I would say there were certain areas that surprised us, and obviously we embraced those surprises very well.”
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I am excite to watch Verlander pitch without having to worry about the yanks hitting him
Tigers overachieved. (and the Yankees pressed. at least tex & swish did. arod was, well, working his way into playing shape)
The regular season? What does that have to do with anything? We won the division and best record in the AL. We left plenty of games on the table, some for obvious reasons. How do you overachieve in the regular season?
JF,
How do we know it didn’t affect them…..none of them had success very long. ….its just a variable to consider
I’m tired of hearing about Verlander. Really. So, I’m going to root for CJ Wilson today. Hope he has a better outing than he did last week. We’re evaluating him as a potential FA, right??
Nah, I don’t buy it Cash. The team underachieved in the playoffs. We had that bullpen on the ropes in two of our losses, were our bullpen was pretty darned impeccable.
The Tigers were not better than us. They just got it done, and we didn’t.
m October 8th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
I’m tired of hearing about Verlander. Really. So, I’m going to root for CJ Wilson today. Hope he has a better outing than he did last week. We’re evaluating him as a potential FA, right??
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The Yankees should just trade for Verlander.
No really. I remember getting into an argument with someone here in the off season last year. He thought the Tigers would dump Verlander because they weren’t contenders.
Oh retrospect.
How do we know it didn’t affect them…..none of them had success very long. ….its just a variable to consider
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Well I don’t think it was pitching every 5th day that did anyone in? Kuroda has been fine, but he is old. The problem with japanese players is they all come here after their peek and so few come across that we don’t get the normal distribution that every other ethnicity gets in America. I’m sure some college players were affected when jumping to pro-ball, but they just flame out in minor leagues and we don’t ever consider it. I think Darvish is talented and strong enough to overcome whatever disadvantage you think starting every 5th day would be. Consider this: Its not like he is going to be on routine then come to the US and suddenly its different. He will have an entire offseason to prepare+ST. Think of it like taking Joba from RP to SP, or CJ Wilson. All you have to do is get used to it.
Japanese pitchers throw more on their offdays than American pitchers. We’re talking 100-200 pitches in their 6 days off. Please consider that as well.
It was Bret….
I hope JV throws a no hitter tonight Nolan Ryan style
I will say it until I am blue in the face. MLB needs to get rid of the best of series. It’s a joke. I am not just saying that because the Yankees are out. I have been saying that for years. Selig, instead of an extra Wild Card team in each league get your head out of your ass and make the first round a best of 7.
I meant get rid of the best of 5.
JF,
We’ve talked about this before and I would certainly check into him…..it would have to be a good price though…..lower than what Dice K got. I think their pitching is good enough where they don’t have to take a big risk
Most hyped international player Aldoris Chapman or Yu Darvish?
Chapman. He got more attention on the WBC stage and leading up to his availability. And worked out for a bunch of MLB teams and was huge news. Darvish is under most peoples radar. Only those interested in the NPB really care.
Easier said than done on trading for that elite pitcher.
1) He needs to be months away from free agency
2) on a losing team
3) outside the AL east
4) that is out of it by the trade deadline
5) with an owner or front office that doesn’t loathe the Yankees
6) You need to give up way more than the other suitors
7) and be willing to negotiate a large extension
Wilson is a $13-$14 mil a year pitcher in baseball dollars this year, but, if Texas, Boston and Detroit get involved, he’s going to be worth $17-$18 mil a year for 5 years.
$17-18M is not unreasonable when top dollar will be $25-30M.
Unfortunately, with it being a blind bid, no way of knowing whether you got ripped off or not. Matsuzaka was no more worth his cost that Igawa was. boston paid $15-$20 mil more for the rights than the next highest bid.
They’ll consider Wilson but I think ultimately Texas offers enough that he stays there.
Wilson will never see a $20 mil a year contract. Just my feeling, but, he could become another Jeff Weaver.
One comment after catching up on most of the day’s posts.
While I agree and I have said that I believe Girardi had an opportunity to use his bench, specifically in Game 5, I don’t believe you can take the leap that whoever was sent up to pinch hit for Martin or Swisher (because there was no one else you really could pinch hit for) was guaranteed to get a hit or drive in a run somehow. No guarantee at all. Sure, Girardi could have tried someone else, but you really cannot say that if Montero was sent up to hit (or Jones or Chavez or Nunez or whoever) that the Yankees would be playing tonight.
The problem was really the guys who came up in the situations did not get the key hits. And those guys were the same guys who helped get it done all year. It included Jeter and Cano in game 2; Jeter in Game 3; And a boatload of guys in Game 5.
They need to do some work to understand why these very good players had such a difficult time in those 3 games. However, in Games 2 and 3, they fought to the end. Game 5 was the one that bothers me most.
Regarding Doug Fister. I listened to MLB back September and they were talking about the Tigers pitching. Fister was a complete surprise to everyone. Everyone. They never expected the run he had. Never. And they talked about how Scherzer and Porcello were complete toss-ups, had no idea what to expect from either one.
Back at the trade deadline, I don’t recall anyone hear talking about Cashman should go after Fister. Most were focused on Wandy Rodriguez and Ubaldo Jimenez. I don’t recall many talking about going to an offensive player at all. For what was out there, you have to be aware of what the possible cost was.
And no one know what calls Cash did or did not make, what other teams may or may not have requested in return for particular players. We know a little; we never know everything that goes on.
GB,
you ever seen that Mantle documentary on HBO….it’s good. That old film of him when he was young and before all the injures….what a swing….especially from the right side his swing was just really good….
yea I think he stays in texas for a deal simliar to what Weaver got…..
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Great 7:53 post.
“They need to do some work to understand why these very good players had such a difficult time in those 3 games. ”
part of it is just baseball….and part of it is that they collectively have trouble against good RHP….
As for Fister….he’s not that good. He’s a mid rotation guy that didn’t face anybody that could hit in the 2nd half……that was the biggest disappointment was that the Yankees didn’t take advantage of the multiple mistakes he made in Game 5….
GB,
We need a spy in the Darvish bid. Maybe you know someone?
m,
exactly….much easier said than done. If Cashman could just go out and buy one of these aces that everyone keeps talking about then he would have done it by now.
Wilson has a chance to make himself a lot of money in this series
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Fister AND Benoit both weren’t sharp in those bases loaded innings. What a shame is all I can say.
Any Occupy Wall Street protesters/supporters among us ?
Wilson has a very weird arm action for a lefty…..I think one thing that will work in his favor is that even though he’s kinda old…..he doesn’t have a lot of innings on his arm because he hasn’t been starting long.
Villa,
yup…opportunities missed. They had multiple chances to win that game and didn’t.
TEX beats DET.
MIL beats STL.
MIL beats TEX.
So let it be written. So let it be done.
Cabrera is a beast
Terry Francona looks a lot different in a suit.
I’m not sure if I like it. Not that it matters, of course.
Francona wishing Vmart had been with Boston this year
I do like Francona’s voice a lot.
(Does it sound like Francona wishes he still had Martinez?)
Yay, Yul Brynner, my favorite actor. See the Journey or Taras Bulba.
Francona needs to find a job that requires a hat or a cap.
When you hit 33 home runs your defense gets better…..haha yup….you find a spot for a bat like Napoli
Verlander is a good guy……..I remember him sympathizing with Hughes’ arm/fatigue issues earlier this year; he certainly didn’t have to say anything. I don’t give a hoot who wins that series – I don’t like either team (no way am I rooting for the team who beat the Yanks)- but will root for Verlander (I do like Leyland a lot, though, too)
Pretty big loss if Young can’t play in this series…
The only players/pitchers on here want is whoever is having a freak streak of good play. They want everyone that’s good that day.
It’s like sending a letter to Santa Claus with their 10 page “I want” list. When they don’t get it, Santa Cashman’s an idiot, or if the new toy breaks, Santa Cashman’s an idiot and Santa’s elf, Elf Girardi doesn’t send instructions on how the new toys are supposed to be played with and Elf Girardi is an idiot. Only the “I Know Everything” wizards are worthy of making the decisions.
Now watch Magglio go back to being 100% washed up for this series
I was trying my hardest to remember the name of the movie with Brynner. I saw it a long, long time ago. I tried looking it up on the internets, but now I think I might be crazy. He’s in the desert, and for some reason he’s not wearing his goggles during a nuclear bomb test. He gets exposed to the radiation and grows into a giant. Maybe it wasn’t Brynner?
Francona is doing pretty well so far, IMO.
It’s as simple as the Yankees didn’t hit the Tigers pitching and the Tigers hit enough to win more games…….that’s it.
I don’t want Darvish at all – and the idea that we’d go all in on a total unknown in the majors in hopes that he’d be (or with the expectation) our #2 is just totally unappealing. Wilson is good/very good, but for that $$$/those years, no thanks
If Young is out for the ALCS then he is out for the WS due to the rules, right?
“If Young is out for the ALCS then he is out for the WS due to the rules, right?”
only if they replace him on the roster
GB7 -
Not to mention, believe it or not, not every player has a desire to play in NY. I know, hard to believe.
JM -
I’m enjoying Francona. He sounds very excited to be doing this, too. Maybe he’ll make Buck better tonight.
I like Verlander, but I’m going to pull for Texas.
Did you guys see where the Dallas/Ft. Worth area is the best sports city? Boston, Philly, Chicago, and New York rounded out the top 5.
I’m not sure about the #1 city. Can we all give up the narrative that the Cowboys are America’s team? The Rangers are Johnny come lately. And the Mavs haven’t done anything until this past season.
Maybe they should keep Francona on when McArver gets back and tell Buck to take a hike
Ugh. I don’t like Verlander. Meant to say I like Leyland.
What is this accent that Francona has? Where did he grow up?
The Yankees hit Tigers pitcher really well in 2 of the games, well enough to win in 2 of the games they ended up losing, and really stunk in game 5.
Pennsylvania
m -
According to last month’s ESPN mag cover, I thought the #1 sports city was Boston.
hit and run fail….Verlander made a perfect hit and run pitch though….tough to protect on that
wow AJax….what the heck was that
What the hell happened on that play? Big error on Jackson.
I think both teams are doing their best to lose, really bone headed plays from both teams
blake October 8th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
GB,
you ever seen that Mantle documentary on HBO….it’s good. That old film of him when he was young and before all the injures….what a swing….especially from the right side his swing was just really good….
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I was unaware that a film existed on Mantle. I’ll look for it. Mantle had a blinding bat and it stayed in the hit zone forever. Smooth, fast, and level. The severe uppercut from the left side didn’t really get started until the late 50s, not just because of bad knees but because of some stress on a mangled shoulder when Red Schoendienst fell on him in the WS.
Is just me or does anyone else agree that this Villa Nova Ya person knows what they’re talking about ??? Very refreshing with real sharp perspectives……..m, I think the Bombers extend CC, take a good look at Wilson and continue to develop in house arms……
Francona is good really…..I think a lot of it is because he just finished managing and he still knows the players so well. Most national broadcasters just don’t see teams enough to know what they are talking about
GB…The ball just explodes out of Verlander’s hand……
Blake, thanks
thanks, blake.
http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/.....city-award
I guess it was a 12 month window, so the Mavs championship pushed them over the top.
Pat M,
yea….seems like a good addition.
GB,
it’s just like a 1 hour documentary….it was made a few years back….but it’s really good. Yea his swing when he was young was so good from both sides…..from the right side he had incredible balance and a really flat plane……just unreal talent.
Pat M -
Very nice of you to say.
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Verlander had trouble in the first inning in each of teh games against teh Yankees.
Was this true for him during the regular season – if you could get him in the 1st, you had a chance at beating him?
Sorry, but, even though I’m from Michigan, I have no rooting interest in any of the four teams in the remaining post season.
Rangers better get him now…..once he gets loose he’s really tough. He’s getting squeezed a little bit.
Pat M.,
I know they *have* to extend CC, but it will hurt paying him that kind of money in his 8th & 9th years. Is that even correct? How ridiculous does it sound to give a pitcher a 9 year contract?
blake,
Girardi sat in the booth, waiting for the right job to come along.
Just so hard to lay off that…..you have to protect against 98 and then he drops that hammer in there.
Pat M,
What do you think about Wilson, maybe just get involved or a real push? I think Yankees are gonna wait for the farm one mora year
Pat M.,
Verlander’s like Halladay in that he’s a throwback to 40-50 years ago. He’s this era’s Nolan Ryan…with control.
m,
probably would be best for Francona to just take a year….do broadcasting etc and then jump back in. His nerves are probably shot after 8 years in Boston.
GB7,
Do you have any clue about the movie I’m talking about in my 8:16 post? I know you’re a movie buff.
man the ball carries there….that was a lazy fly ball that almost went out
One more year, sorry
There’s a guy that I wouldn’t mind having in RF for the Yanks…David Murphy.
The Yankees just didnt take advantage of Tigers mistake pitches in the games they lost. Right down the middle a ton of pitches… no damage. Meanwhile Delmon Young gets 3 cookies and eats them up.
neither pitcher is getting the outside corner
good piece of hitting there
I think this series will probably be determined by which Scherzer shows up…..if he pitches like he didn’t against the Yanks then Detroit has a good shot…..
Hey would ya guys look at this…Verlander aint gettin every single god damn mother f..kin call outside of the strike zone in his favor….and he stared in at the umpire…
Hey piece of crap Verlander, you aint facin the Yankees anymore.
M, no clue. Sci-Fis weren’t a real favorite.
blake, so what youre saying is…the strike zone is being called equally for both sides?
Indeed it is. A novel concept for any Yankees fan, because we aint ever seeing a fair strike zone in the playoffs
Got out of the second jam, But always flirting with disaster, not a good recipe for success
“blake, so what youre saying is…the strike zone is being called equally for both sides? ”
it seems that way so far…..Game 3 CC really got squeezed outside……that greatly affected the outcome because he had to try and figure out a new game plan and he threw too many pitches trying to
They are going to get to Wilson
m,
Sorry to cut in, but the movie you mention the actor wasn’t Brinner…the movies i remeber from him are: The King and I, Anastasia, Taras Bulba among others but no scifi movies from him.
Exactly blake. You make UNC alum proud.
The umpires fxxked us all series long, the fxxked CC in Games 1, 3 and 5. Our ace, our leader, they f..ked, but they gifted a piece of scum like Doug Fister every f..kin call.
I hope Verlander gets f..ked this game, the way we got cheated all series.
hitting machine.
Ohh!! the karamasov Brothers as well, very good one by the way
I am by no means a conspiracy theorist but the strike zone for the Yankees, especially in games 2 and 3, was awful. Bad, terrible, awful, it just plain sucked.
That said…. they didn’t move on because they couldn’t get a single base-hit, off of some very hit-able pitches, especially game 5.
I despise Doug Fister. He is as useless as a $3 bill. I hope the Rangers smack that turd around for 7 runs in the 1st inning each time they face him, and I hope they scorch a line drive that drills him right in his ugly face
m -
West World or Future World?
Villa,
Yes! i forgot about those!, good call
Verlander got away with one there…..that was a mistake hanger. Cruz just isn’t the same guy this year
Obviously you know who this is, Im not a conspiracy theorist either. I just give out facts.
And Game 5 strike zone was an atrocity as well.
Obviously, our hitters didnt do the job in the series, but part of the blame for that has to fall on the umpires.
Swisher needs to have his option picked up and be traded in the offseason. I never want to see that jolly happy go lucky turd again in pinstripes. He has no baseball intelligence.
Every time he looks up to the sky at his deceased grandparents before an incoming pitch, he disgraces them.
M, are you referring to “The Amazing Colossal Man”?
The Series winning run came off CC in Game 5, and was scored by Austin Jackson, a guy that CC previously struck out, but didnt get a fair strike call.
F U Verlander. You scum bucket!!!
That guy has power
Great job there by Murphey…..no clue why Verlander would throw a CU there….helped him out.
Hamiltonian
I actually thought of you in the earlier games, that’s how bad the umpiring was.
Game 5 falls on the offense and no one else, IMO.
Verlander didnt get that 1-0 pitch either!!! AHAHAHA! You filthy f..king pig
Another good piece of hitting
great approach there from Kinsler….contact hitters
Like I said, Tar, our offense is to blame. But part of that blame falls on the umpires for cheating us all series and in that final game.
Tex had some good ABs in the final game.
Swisher is the real culprit, he’s trash. And Martin too, but I like Martin as a guy and a player. Obviously, Girardi left our game changer on the bench.
Id rather have a blind, no legged, no armed guy in that bases loaded spot in the 8th inning in Game 5 than that smiling jerk off Swish.
F U Verlander!!! You aint gettin’ every call your way you c..ksucker!!!
Wonder how Cliff Lee is feeling about his decision right now?
If Texas doesn’t keep adding on to their lead, they’ll never hold this game.
their payoff aint gonna be under 100 million much longer Joe…..especially if they keep Wilson.
blake October 8th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
Wonder how Cliff Lee is feeling about his decision right now?
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The blind, no legged, no armed guy would have the sense to keep the bat on his shoulders when every pitch is in the other’s batter;’s box. Swish is a clown, a buffoon, a turd, a waste of space.
Tex, you deal with his struggles in the offseason, he’s our future.
Swish is valueless, as a player and a human being. Pick up his option and trade his ass,
GB7,
It must be. Those two actors look nothing like each other. Like I said, I was very, very young.
Growing up, The Wasp Women put a scare into me for weeks. I still remember that silhouette.
Cliff Lee is a criminal. Just another in the long line of criminals. He’d rather play with losers like Roy Halladay than champions like Alex, Jeter, Posada, Mariano.
Helps to get out my anger. That looks like Dave dombrowski. Is it??
I have these jerk offs on FOX muted. I cant hear any of their anti Yankees rhetoric
After the way the Yankees finished out the 2010 season, I expected them to win between 85 and 90 games in 2011. So in that respect, at least IMO they over-achieved. This is reinforced by the fact that they were without ARod for over 60 games and while defensively he was great, he was only an adequate offensive player. In addition, Colon and Garcia added more to the Y’s SP than the Y’s could have possibly hoped for.
Further, the Yankees play in the ALDS was a mirror of their play during the regular season. They did not win the close games, therefore they played to expectations in the ALDS.
There will come a time when the Yankees will have a hard time reaching the postseason and it may be as early as next year. As much as everyone commented on their circular lineup this was far from the truth. The Yankees had one only one batter who hit over .300 (Cano) and one who was close (Jeter). After those two, there was a big dropoff in BA’s and they did not have any batters among the top 5 hitters with RISP.
Their pitching is still in flux with really only one dependable starter and that is if he does not opt out. If Hughes returns to form and Nova continues to improve that settles part of the problem, but I have a feeling that Hughes will not be around next year. I believe he will be packaged with Montero to bring over another pitcher, such as Cain or Gonzalez. I personally would prefer to see Montero switched to RF but at least according to the Daily News, Montero is headed elsewhere, most likely the Giants.
hamiltonian don’t break any lamps.
Sit the eff down you fat drunk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And he’s arguing!!!
You didnt get enough calls in your favor last series, ya fat drunk????
What’s still bugging me is that Miggy was held in check pretty much the entire series and they still couldn’t pull it out. 10 home runs to 2 is also inconceivable.
for the underachieve question, do you really expect Cashman replay with ‘yes, we underachieve d’?
LOL
Francona is awesome.
Must be difficult not playing the yankees, because now the umps aren’t going to give you a wide strike zone. Poor Verlander. He seemed so frustrated to not have balls called strikes & to be squeezed on top of that.
After the likes of Darling, Smoltz, and Orel, Francona is refreshing. Looks like he’s a hitter’s broadcaster.
Whats still bugging me and will always bug me is that Gerry Davis and the rest of the umpiring crew gets to go on living.
m,
that movie was from around ’57 or ’58. There was a second part to it, like “The War Of The Collosal Man” or something. A couple of years before that was “Attack Of The 50 Foot Woman”. That one starred Allison Hayes (Ms America in ‘the late 40s.) A mountain of a woman that any guy would dream of climbing.
The collosal Man was about an air force Colonel named Glenn, I think.
they steal away the hopes and dreams of millions of fans, and solely due to their anti Yankees bias, and there arent ever any consequences. No karma comes around to them. Nothing.
luis October 8th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
blake October 8th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
Wonder how Cliff Lee is feeling about his decision right now?
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i am actually enjoying it!!, his face last night in the bullpen was priceless
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I missed it. damn
GB7,
I think that’s it. I only really remember the actual test scene and the fact that he turned into a giant.
JimK,
trading Montero would be a collosal mistake….The pitching is not the problem is the offense and you need montero to help in that regard.
I am not as down as you are on the team, quite the contrary, we have plenty of things to be happy about:
1) We have the farm ready to produce talent.
2) We saw many young kids that are contributing in the ML team, that are going to get better.
3) We are in much better shape than our competition is
Its pathetic. People die in other countries, children die in other countries every day due to hunger, pollution, etc. People in this country live in poverty, and rather than umpires treating baseball as it is, an escape from the harsh realities of life, theyre influenced by their bias and they cheat.Instead of those innocent children and people dying, it should be these umpires.
This ump’s punch out is horrible. I’ve seen 5 yr. olds with better karate form.
Francona will use Boston’s scouting reports to give insight to these two teams. Kind of interesting.
Youre not getting that call, Verlander. You worthless scum!!
m,
I remember a lot of those movies only because when I was growing up, that’s all that was on on the all night local channels on the weekends.
Verlander definitely getting squeezed. Good! He had enough gifts in our series.
jesus….shut the hell up and take your crap out of here.
Thats enough of that. I feel a little better now. I want to become an umpire in MLB, so I can cheat eveyr other team and gift the Yankees games.
Verlander really getting squeezed outside……
m,
yea you can tell all that stuff is fresh in Francona’s mind. He’s really good so far…..
TV Ratings are going to suck without the Yankees, Philly and the Sawx…
hamiltonian October 8th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Cliff Lee is a criminal. Just another in the long line of criminals. He’d rather play with losers like Roy Halladay than champions like Alex, Jeter, Posada, Mariano.
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I don’t think Lee is a criminal or the Roy Halliday is a loser. While I don’t support their teams I don’t think this in any way is the right view of a couple of guys who like the others you mentioned are great baseball players.
Verlander got out of the jam, but still a very good batting approach from Texas
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s.t.f.u greenberet, you pitiful old man.
Wilson seems to have found a bit of a groove….his breaking ball can be very good….
wilson is pitching for dollars
Wilson is working that cutter to righties ala Andy Pettite….starting it off the plate and catching the corner
Yes he has….bad news for the Tigers
Joe Buck must be smoking something besides Missouri corn silk if he thinks Peralta ever had any range to lose.
Big game for the Rangers. They win this one, they’ve got complete control of the series, especially with that little leaguer Fister going tomorrow
Wilson is working that cutter to righties ala Andy Pettite….
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blake, you just said the magic word…in fact if andy wanted to come back he would command a pretty penny
Its not going to happen anyway, but I still cant believe how dumb Betsy is. Just let our ace walk.
There’s nobody even remotely comparable to CC. The guy is an ace, a horse, a leader.
Yea, just let him walk, so the Red Sox can douse him with $160 million and sign him. Moron.
yeah, that little leaguer Fister shutdown Yanks w/o any problems, almost twice.
BOOOOOOOM!!
You aint dancing in the dugout now, Verlander!!!!! You aint gettin all the cheap calls!!!! You aint facing the pinstripes!!!! 24 game winner, in reality, is a loser
Sorry, I’m still not impressed by Verlander. I think that people must be more impressed by his record than his actual pitching. JMO. It isn’t like we see him pitch on a regular basis. He wasn’t impressive in his postseason start at the Stadium, albeit a few innings; he gave up 4 runs to the Yankees in his second start; and even though he has a nasty pitch here and there, Texas is wearing him like a cheap suit.
I will continue to say that pitching in his weak-ass division has done nothing but help pad his stats.
Little Justin showing some upset because he’s getting squeezed? GOOD. And my fervent prayer is that he continues to get squeezed, just like CC got squeezed. Maybe his getting squeezed will help him lose the game? EVEN BETTER. In my book turnabout is fair play. I don’t remember much hue and cry about CC getting the life squeezed out of him by Davis. It was forgotten like yesterday’s newspaper.
HA HA HA HA HA!!! And as I’m posting this, he gives up a dinger.
I definitely made up my mind here. GO RANGERS!!!!!
JobaTipsHisCap October 8th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
yeah, that little leaguer Fister shutdown Yanks w/o any problems, almost twice
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Saw that to but ignored it
Cruz just missed one in his first AB….he didn’t that time.
Looks like Verlander has come down off his Yankee induced high.
Luis
I agree with you about Montero, I believe he should be switched to RF since it’s obvious the Yankees do not see him as a catcher. I was just reporting what the DN wrote. However, I do believe that Hughes will be gone. He has been with the team since 2007 and has not lived up to expectations.
As to the Yankee prospects; I will let the success of the Yankees hype machine speak for itself in this regard. Thus far the most recent success stories were not hyped, including Wang, Nova, and Cano.
LOL, since Verlander dominates Yanks, you have to compare them with Rangers.
Rangers hit Verlander with confidence, Yankee batters hit with fear.
hamiltonian October 8th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Youre not getting that call, Verlander. You worthless scum!
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A little strong don’t you think.
Verlander is arguing calls again! Hey!! Whaddaya know!!! I guess these guys are too stupid to realize the only reason they received the calls in the first place was because they were facing us
Verlander’s velocity seems a bit down tonight…he’s touched upper 90′s a few times but I’ve seen a lot more 92′s and 94′s than usual . They said he was really sore after Game 3….maybe he’s got a bit of a hangover from that
I don’t think Hughes will be traded this winter. We need more starters, not less. The front office has a little more patience than the fans do.
When a team benefits from cheap umpiring against the Yankees, and then they act like they beat us on a level playing field, nothing is too strong. This scum Verlander was dancing in the dugout in Game 5. He should have been shaking the hand of the HP umpire. Scum, criminals, c..cksuckers, I hope Delmon Young, since he won his Wordl Series in the ALDS and has no use playing anymore, jerks of Valverde during each of 4 Rangers blowouts.
Montero would be a pretty bad RFer….he’s really slow and not very athletic. He’s going to be their first basemen in about 5 years.
teams have that extra incentive to beat the yankees, why is that?
yea, they have patience if your name isn’t Joba Chamberlain.
VERLANDER SUCKS!!!!!
I am soooooooooooooo freakin’ happy that this is happening to Verlander.
Verlander, Verlander, Verlander. BFD Verlander.
And let him get the Cy Young award, I couldn’t care less.
CC Sabathia didn’t “give up” six F’N walks. He was squeezed into those walks.
Welcome to unfairsville Justin. And remember, no complaining about balls and strikes, ya hear?
Now I want to see your skinny-ass grin, please?
(You BET I’m still pissed about CC getting squeezed. And the half-witted posters who trashed him because of it instead of screaming about the reality – Gerry Davis totally annihilating him while little Justin was treated very fairly.)
trisha – true pinstriped blue October 8th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Sorry, I’m still not impressed by Verlander. I think that people must be more impressed by his record than his actual pitching. JMO. It isn’t like we see him pitch on a regular basis. He wasn’t impressive in his postseason start at the Stadium, albeit a few innings; he gave up 4 runs to the Yankees in his second start; and even though he has a nasty pitch here and there, Texas is wearing him like a cheap suit.
I will continue to say that pitching in his weak-ass division has done nothing but help pad his stats.
Little Justin showing some upset because he’s getting squeezed? GOOD. And my fervent prayer is that he continues to get squeezed, just like CC got squeezed. Maybe his getting squeezed will help him lose the game? EVEN BETTER. In my book turnabout is fair play. I don’t remember much hue and cry about CC getting the life squeezed out of him by Davis. It was forgotten like yesterday’s newspaper.
HA HA HA HA HA!!! And as I’m posting this, he gives up a dinger.
I definitely made up my mind here. GO RANGERS!!!!!
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I don’t think he’s a shutdown guy, but another of those guys that makes it real hard to hurt him because you can’t string together enough hits. Said another way he finds enough out there to get the wins. He does get stronger as the game goes so like other pitchers early in the game is when you have to get to him. We had him out of game 3 until Soriano threw that bomb. That was a big deal, he’s out of the game and I’m thinking now we get another shot at their bullpen instead of Verlarde. Oh well
Honestly, the right punishment for the crime would be to chop off the manhood of every one of these f.cks, starting with Valverde and Fister, and disposing of it in a trash compactor.
Jimk,
Good points that you are making about the hype, but i just think they rushed the first wave of talent, they are not making the same mistake IMO. In regards to Hughes, i think he still has a ton of potential, but his window of oportunity is closing fast because of the arrival of the B’s, so he better bring his A+ game to ST.
Montero is so slow footed, they were trying to pick him off at first in a game I attended and he had no lead at all. He would be an unmitigated disaster in the OF, even in right at NYS.
I understand the feelings toward Valverde because he is a clown but Verlander? To each his own I guess
Why does Montero have to play a position?
Why am I only seeing this Granderson commercial now? Phiten must have thought the Yankees would be playing today. We all did.
The best plan for Montero is for him to DH and catch some while he is young and then when Tex’s contract is up they can transition him to 1B…..he’ll only be 26 when Tex’s contract is finished.
Later guys
blake October 8th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Verlander’s velocity seems a bit down tonight…he’s touched upper 90?s a few times but I’ve seen a lot more 92?s and 94?s than usual . They said he was really sore after Game 3….maybe he’s got a bit of a hangover from that
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Blake, lots of innings throwing lots of pitches at high velocity. I don’t think Leyland did him any favors with the way he was worked this year. Sometime it has to catchup with you.
I’m not watching the game, but he pitches this year at lower velocity and then building as the game goes on. The velocity you cite I think matches the graphics they were putting up about his 1-3 inning velocity.
If you think Texas isn’t hungry , think again. 2nd chance at the ring in 2 years and they’re kicking verly all over the lot—-Rangers-Brewers.
this site is completely rudderless. Quality is of no interest at all, only hits. Great job, Lohud, thanking the people who keep your lousy blog afloat.
Don’t know what to say about those trashing Verlander, but, I’d put him in pinstripes to run 1 and 1A with Sabathia in the rotation any time.
J. Alfred Prufrock October 8th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
yea, they have patience if your name isn’t Joba Chamberlain
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Smh what could have been
Gary,
yea he does usually build velocity as the game goes…but he’s usually loose by the 4th. That last pitch he struck Kinsler out on was 94….
He threw more pitches than anyone in baseball this year.
mick October 8th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Why does Montero have to play a position?
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could be more about replacing Swisher
Who has the advantage as far as the bullpens? Texas of course. They have the win.
Texas has the advantage because their pen is deeper and because they have a 3 run lead.
They have the *lead*
Gary, to hear some posters here, and then the broadcasters, you’d think he was Jesus come back to earth. I hear what you’re saying about how he can make it hard to string hits together, but he’s apparently hittable, not the bowling ball hitting players with a strike every time, the way some people here have talked about him.
When I said a while back that reporters who vote for Cy Young don’t take certain things into account, like the difficulty of the division the pitcher pitches in, there were some here who agreed with me but also some who told me in no uncertain terms that Verlander was the bomb.
Well, I’m watching him and so far this series, I’m not seeing it. I know he didn’t win his regular season starts against the Yankees. He was lucky enough to get NDs. I want to see which teams beat his skinny ass the times he was beaten.
Id take Verlander on the Yankees too….. BUT…
If Verlander were on the Yankees, he wouldnt outperform CC. Simply put, CC has already shown the ability to minimize the damage despite umpires cheating him. I give CC all the credit in the world for keeping us in Game 3 despite the raping he and the Yankees took from Gerry Davis. Albeit the smallest of sample sizes, Verlander showed tonight that not being given every call, he gave up 3 runs in 4 innings. Verlander got every call in Game 3, and still gave up 4 runs, and the game tying double to our number 9 hitter, Gardner
Odds, I don’t know who’s been more negligent – the Yankees on Chamberlain or this blog’s quality control people on comments section.
It’s a tossup, I’d say. Nice to see you in here. Catch you later.
would the yanks have to sign swish in order to trade him?
if so, who would pick up his 10m?
Nice job with having the weatherman come on to show the radar.
blake October 8th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Gary,
yea he does usually build velocity as the game goes…but he’s usually loose by the 4th. That last pitch he struck Kinsler out on was 94….
He threw more pitches than anyone in baseball this year.
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I think one game he threw something like 136 pitches. They had that other hard throwing guy Zumba I think it was, did he ever come back? That guy was putting serious stress on his arm.
Uh oh, Verlander must be entering into the CC non-ace category. He gave up 4 runs in the game to us and now getting beaten by the Rangers. How about our other savior we missed out on Cliff Lee 6 innings 12 hits 2 walks 5 earned runs. Wish some Yankees fans were a little more appreciative of CC on here. He is as good as they come and you can’t expect that King Felix or someone along those lines would preform any better than he has. True he has had some rough postseason starts, but I will take him out there any day of the week.
Verlander’s got a great arm, but he really gets a lift from his spacious home park. It’s too bad Game 1 got rained on.
Later.
I don’t mind the Cy Young talk, Verlander deserves that. But when they talk about MVP, I roll my eyes. Verlander over his own teammate Cabrera?
My thinking is that Joey Bats is going to win. All the Boston guys participated in a historic (and delicious) collapse. Cano and Granderson kind of cancel each other out. Cabrera was with a winning team.
My one wish is, two actually. Is that Joey Bats would stop hitting so many homeruns. And second that he stop making comments about the Yankees. Classless bum who was a nobody 2 years ago.
This loser JAP complaining about quality on a blog. ON A BLOG!
But I bet he didnt complain about qualiity in an ALDS. Ya know, that thing that your supposed team just got cheated in by umpires. He didnt care about the quality of the series and how the series was slanted against us, but he cares about the quality of a blog. Pathetic.
“Don’t know what to say about those trashing Verlander, but, I’d put him in pinstripes to run 1 and 1A with Sabathia in the rotation any time.”
GB, I say he is vasty overrated. There are a lot of pitchers in the majors whom I think could do a very nice job on the Yankees. That has nothing to do with my opinion that he is nowhere near the Jesus that some people have portrayed him to be.
In addition, it goes up my butt a mile that he smirked his way through the series with the Yankees when he got the benefit of the plate and it was so apparent CC didn’t. I’m not okay with that by the way. I’m not okay with the fact that our ace so apparently got calls that were outrageous and lost the game because of it – and then got trashed as a nonace by the stupid asses who were calling the game and some lunkheads here! WHAT?????
Rain. Well what a riot.
Look, I believe in keeping Montero, but you can’t say the pitching isn’t the problem with this team. Starting pitching that is. The Yankees have a deep, effective bullpen, which is why they were able to stay close enough for the offense to choke. But, they weren’t going the whole way with CC, Nova, Garcia and Burnett. 5 games – 1 quality “start,” the 6.1 innings by Nova in game 1.
I think they should keep Montero, because anybody worth trading him for is not available. I look for a lefty bat that occasionally platoon with Swisher or Montero, or take the DH spot when Montero catches.
What are people’s thoughts on Kuroda? I’d rather give an older pitcher fewer years. Any pitcher can get hurt, and a shorter contract limits the long term damage.
“Wish some Yankees fans were a little more appreciative of CC on here. He is as good as they come and you can’t expect that King Felix or someone along those lines would preform any better than he has. True he has had some rough postseason starts, but I will take him out there any day of the week.”
ABSOLUTELY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY, AND TWICE ON A SUNDAY!
this game is some boring sh*t
I’m repeating other posters, but the ridiculous idea keeps getting mentioned. Montero can NOT play the outfield. He is a VERY slow runner. He makes Jose Molina look like an olympic sprinter. Perhaps the slowest professional ballplayer I’ve ever seen.
He should catch twice a week when AROD DH’s and Nunez plays 3rd, and just DH the other days.
Jeter & Tex can just ride the bench their off days.
Zumaya hurt himself playing Guitar hero or something and has never been the same…..he had one of the most violent deliveries I’ve ever seen though.
is that Mr. Torre I hear in the background, the next Commish?
Zumaya. I forgot about him. Is the malingerer that people said we had to trade for?
mick October 8th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
would the yanks have to sign swish in order to trade him?
if so, who would pick up his 10m?
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let him go….
who plays RF, joeman?
Swisher has a club option….they have to pick it up to trade him. If they decline it he’s a free agent.
Montero’s best position is DH…
swish might be hard to trade
I’ve never heard a bad word about Chris Carpenter. Not a single one.
But Greinke is popping off calling him a phony. Says a lot of their guys don’t like him. What a dope.
never said Verlander was God or Jesus, but, he’s on a very short list of the best 3 or 4 pitchers in baseball.
Montero is our DH next year. We can only hope he’s not platooned. Couple of games catching to keep him in shape. He could migrate to 1B when Tex leaves, but I don’t know if that transition is going to be easy
I can deal with Yankee losses that are a product of the Yankees. I CANNOT tolerate piss-poor umpiring causing Yankee losses. How about it making a difference between the Yankees still being in the postseason and not? Is that okay?
And yes, because Verlander and Detroit got the benefit of it and apparently couldn’t have cared less about the Yankees getting screwed, I desperately want them to get kicked the same wayt.
And happening to Verlander? Nothing could be better. Now I want to hear all the “experts” talk about how special Verlander isn’t, the same way they put down CC.
Seeing Torre and Francona joking with each other is great. Hey, I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but what do y’all think of Torre’s chances becoming the commissioner?
Who wouldn’t take Verlander? That’s crazy.
The only Jesus is Montero
Looks like it was literally mentioned moments ago. D’oh.
I totally thought — yep, Torre’s the next comish.
I have to apologize to the NYY’s. I just don’t have the energy to cheer every pitch as I once did and feel responsible for their loss.
Does anyone else feel this way?
mick October 8th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
who plays RF, joeman
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Carlos Beltran
I can deal with Yankee losses that are a product of the Yankees. I CANNOT tolerate piss-poor umpiring causing Yankee losses. How about it making a difference between the Yankees still being in the postseason and not? Is that okay?
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Exactly. I can handle losing on our own merits. But not being caused to lose or helped to lose by umpires. That’s why I want to chop the manhood off of every player that benefitted from us getting raped
“swish might be hard to trade”
nah…a lot of teams could use a bat on a one year deal. He’d be easy to trade I think…..the problem would be getting enough of a return to make it worthwhile.
I feel bad. I pulled my Yankees cap out of the trunk to where it that day. But I didn’t put on once. I only remembered it after the game, even though I walked past it 10 times.
trisha – true pinstriped blue October 8th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
“Don’t know what to say about those trashing Verlander, but, I’d put him in pinstripes to run 1 and 1A with Sabathia in the rotation any time.”
GB, I say he is vasty overrated. There are a lot of pitchers in the majors whom I think could do a very nice job on the Yankees. That has nothing to do with my opinion that he is nowhere near the Jesus that some people have portrayed him to be.
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Trisha, don’t like the guy but I don’t think there is anything overated about him. I checked his stats, he’s 28 and has 6 seasons under his belt. His overall is 107-57 with an ERA of 3.5 and 1215 K’s. He always gives his team 200+ innings in about 33 starts meaning about 7 innings on average per start. Got to help the buulpen and indicative of why he wins so many games.
There are a few guys with stats like his, but not many. His arm holds up he will put up HF type numbers.
Just sharing my perspective.
Carlos Beltran
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Would he settle for Swish money?
This isn’t hard. Swisher will not be traded. We got him for nothing off a poor season, a big contract and issues with Guillen. It was a fantastic trade for us. His struggles at the end of the season and post season are obvious. But he is young, has been healthy, bats 260-270, high on base, 25+ homers 90 rbis, 100 walks. You won’t find too many guys you can own who can do that on a one year deal. There is not one decent player in free agency. And if there were you would need to shell out multiple years and give up well past ten mill. Their only option is going after a Joey Votto or something like that who plays the OF and reports are he may be available. But that would mean trading some blue chip prospects. You can expect Swisher in RF next year unless Cash pulls off a Granderson type deal. We also have no OF minor leaguers.
Mick,
I feel the same. But I see it positively, more analitic than fanatic. A more mature POV, don’t you think? LOL
1 key hit in the late innings and nobody is talking about the umps…..15 men were left on base in the last game
I think Beltran would come on a short term cheap deal to the Yankees.
Swish would be easy to trade, especially if you put money in. The team that takes him would at least get the picks.
“swish might be hard to trade”
nah…a lot of teams could use a bat on a one year deal. He’d be easy to trade I think…..the problem would be getting enough of a return to make it worthwhile
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as joeman so eloquently stated, “let him go.”
why not? then go FA w/ Beltran.
same as a trade, no?
Beltran, are we serious, how hurt has he been? We also don’t have a DH spot for him. Zero chance. If health is a concern to get to the playoffs why would you take him on with Arod and Jeter getting older??
mick October 8th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Carlos Beltran
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Would he settle for Swish money?
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he wanted to come to the Yankees and take less money before he signed with the Mets…at this stage who knows but I would rather have him than reg season Swish
Even if we won the game, Id be talking about the umps.
Yes, our team didnt hit. Yes, part of the blame falls on the hitters and part of the blame falls on the umpires.
But key hit or no key hit, the umpires cheating is NOT RIGHT!
While ARod played an excellent 3rd base during the playoffs I think if the Yankees want to get the most out of his 6 year deal he will spend the predominant amount of his time as a DH. If the Yankees are going to keep Montero theonly place I see for him is RF. I am sure there have been a number of less than fleet-footed RF’ers.
The Yankees may keep Hughes; I just don’t think they will. Five years is a lot of patience( a great 1/2 season is just that a 1/2 season.)
“same as a trade, no?”
no because you don’t get anything for losing him……if they signed someone else to play RF then they could flip Swisher for something they need or for prospects. Doing something like only makes sense though if you can get someone better than Swisher for RF….and I don’t know if that’s a possibility right now.
Is it gauche of Francona, Peezinski, and presumably Torre to wear their WS rings?
jmv
age and 5 rings will pacify a fan but i wonder who will carry the torch?
No genius mick. You attempt to trade Swish for value, rather than letting him go for nothing.
Also, you control what team he goes to i.e. not the Red Sox.
Beltran 2009 81 games
2010 64 games
This year plays a ton of games? Possibly because of free agency.
Sign him, watch him break down and watch everyone kill Cash for not having a RF and realizing we would need to trade Betcances, Banuelos or others to replace him
blake, beltran is better than swish.
who cares about draft picks or someone else’s crap if you can get a quality FA
Swisher with the REd Sox would be the next David Ortiz. He’d be on the milkshakes faster than I can get myself banned on here
“Sign him, watch him break down and watch everyone kill Cash for not having a RF and realizing we would need to trade Betcances, Banuelos or others to replace him”
or sign Matt Kemp
I like Choo for RF.
Then sign Kemp for LF after 2012.
Beltran is better than Swisher if he can stay healthy and play….that’s the issue…..that and what kind of money and years he’s asking for. If I could get him for 1 year….then sure but we just don’t know yet
Kemp-LF
Granderson-CF
Choo-RF
I like Choo as well….but they aren’t giving him away
# J. Alfred Prufrock October 8th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Odds, I don’t know who’s been more negligent – the Yankees on Chamberlain or this blog’s quality control people on comments section.
It’s a tossup, I’d say. Nice to see you in here. Catch you later.
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I would go with the Yankees lol.
Nice to see you as well. I hope everything is going good on your end.
How do you intend on signing Matt Kemp? He’s not a free agent.
That would cost you whatever you have as far as talent goes.
i think that’s it for swish…why wait for the same thing to happen next PS?
Offer Hughes+ for Choo. Cleveland is pitching starved, offensively equipped.
well i must be saying a word the censors don’t like because twice my post didn’t go through. can’t imagine what it was because I didn’t swear.
the censor is apparently also mesmerized by verlander!
Oh, I get the word, I think. Let me try this. I said I find him co*ky.
I would try to get Choo on his down year. Dunno what it’d take. or go big and get Kemp a year early with an extension for … something
Why would we now be trading pitching? We were essentially short two starters and lucked out with Garcia and Colon this year.
hamiltonian October 8th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Swisher with the REd Sox would be the next David Ortiz. He’d be on the milkshakes faster than I can get myself banned on here
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Well there isn’t much chance of you getting banned because if there was any moderation here you would have been gone long ago.
Why don’t you just tone it down a bit? At times it pretty scary, it’s just a baseball blog
“How do you intend on signing Matt Kemp? He’s not a free agent”
he is after next year….
Rafael Soriano …..think they will pick up his option ?
i am tired of nick’s shtick. he is not the reason we won the vaunted AL East, where all 3 contenders are eliminated.
Soriano has a 3 year contract with opt outs after years 1 & 2.
Safe to say, he’s not opting out.
Rafael Soriano …..think they will pick up his option ?
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it’s his option to pickup, the genius of boras
Cleveland is pitching starved, offensively equipped.
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They have Ubaldo, Carmona, Masterson, Carrasco, Tomlin?
“Rafael Soriano …..think they will pick up his option ?”
they don’t have a choice….it’s his option not theirs. It’s not an option actually. He has an opt out clause
Mick,
Maybe we can trade for some Cubs fans? LOL
Gary, its not the blogs fault. I get banned on a daily basis. They do the best they can. Just like with the Yankees, people fail to put the blame on who it belongs….
It’s not the blog’s fault Im here…its the umpires.
Its not the Yankees fault they lost… its the umpires.
Carmona sucks, jerkface. Masterson and Ubaldo form their 1-2 but they have question marks. They have plenty of offense.
Gary, I tried to point out that since he pitches in the weakest division in the AL, his stats are going to look better than they would if he had a tougher division as his primary competition.
And he hasn’t looked very impressive in the postseason, so I don’t understand all the hoopla. He hasn’t beaten the Yanks and I might be wrong on this, but I think the Sux walloped him. I have to check the teams who have beaten him. I find him to have an arrogant attitude. He’s jawing at the ump? That’s cute. CC stood and took it. He grinned his way through our series. I know Lock saw it to because she and I continued to comment on it. When something bad would happen to the Yankees, they’d show him in the dugout yukking up a storm.
Thanks for listening. I feel better having gotten that out. When I tuned in and saw Verlander getting squeezed and saw the scowl on his face, CC’s entire outing came back to me.
Doesn’t Hughes suck more/as much as Carmona?
Ok…need to ask has WCYF been around…just wondering
Blake, that’s where I agree. And that’s why Swish will be back. Short term contracts for productive players, which he is minus the post season, is the most attractive. Then 2013 you let him walk and go for Kemp or pickup Upton and see if Long fixes his swing like Granderson. Or Josh Hamilton, Adam Either, Delmon Young. Far more options if none of those guys are extended. Heck even if you go for a guy who can rake when healthy Carlos Quentin. But there is nothing to sign this year and would cost you a lot to try and trade for a guy who would hit sixth here. 1-5 spots are locked up.
In a fair sports world, i wouldnt be here, because I wouldnt need anything to vent about.
If you want me gone, then desire fairness for the Yankees and all NY teams, exc. Mets
If Soriano gets 2/30 somewhere for closing, he’d go. But that would be a really underground deal. Almost illegal
Trade Montero+ Brospects for Gio Gonzalez.
Yeah, that Cleveland rotation is pretty ugly. But then again, it’s the AL Central where suck is good enough.
This game is interminable. Only through 4.1 or something like that.
The Indians have plenty of offense? They scored 704 runs this year….it’s mediocre at best.
Hughes does suck as much as Carmona but he gives them depth and potential upside. He reduces risk in their rotation.
jmv
cubs fans are in a comatose state and each game is a picnic
our fans aren’t as vocal as they once were but nothing another 10 years of waiting for another ring won’t solve.
I am a big Hughes fan obviously. So I think he belongs here.
But for sake of arguement.
If I am the Indians why exactly would I trade Choo for a guy who has yet to pitch a full season as a starter, has been hurt, had a dead arm early this year and still has questions by many if he should be a reliever??? Should they just believe in my opinion of him that he will be good?
No shot Indians would do that trade anymore than making it for Joba.
Blake,
Cleveland has plenty of offense when healthy.
Phranchise,
I would only trade Swisher if I can get somebody better and on a short term deal…..unless it’s Kemp or Upton. Upton isn’t getting dealt anytime soon….that went out the window when the Dbacks started winning….his contract is too good to even think about moving if they are winning. Sign Kemp for just money after next season.
Phranchise October 8th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
This isn’t hard. Swisher will not be traded. We got him for nothing off a poor season, a big contract and issues with Guillen. It was a fantastic trade for us. His struggles at the end of the season and post season are obvious. But he is young, has been healthy, bats 260-270, high on base, 25+ homers 90 rbis, 100 walks. You won’t find too many guys you can own who can do that on a one year deal. There is not one decent player in free agency. And if there were you would need to shell out multiple years and give up well past ten mill. Their only option is going after a Joey Votto or something like that who plays the OF and reports are he may be available. But that would mean trading some blue chip prospects. You can expect Swisher in RF next year unless Cash pulls off a Granderson type deal. We also have no OF minor leaguers.
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No doubt that Nick has the tools to be pretty successful. I think what’s at issue is his ability to play within himself and not let the emotion override the situation. Nick is at his worst when the pressure is the greatest. When he gets on the playoff stage I think he just becomes a different player, not as strong as the player he is under regular season situations. Sometimes I think the guy doesn’t need a hitting coach but rather an analyst. It’s the same thing as the PGA guys, they get stressed and they can’t make the shots, make bad decisions, and can’t putt anymore.
bret,
they are never heatlhy….being healthy is a big part of being good.
if CC stays they need to get a #2 SP for sure
Interesting stats. Unless I read them wrong, 4 of his 5 losses were against the AL West. And even more interesting all of his NDs were against the AL East.
Wouldn’t Swisher be the perfect bridge to Kemp?
Cleveland wouldn’t do that trade straight up for Hughes. But Hughes has value as the centerpiece for an OF on a down year. Choo had a down year, just as Hughes did.
joeman, if he has, it isn’t under his primary moniker.
Upton as in BJ, not Justin.
And Swisher if we think he isn’t worthwhile at $10 with Yankees money to burn, what do you hope to get from another team?
Nick does everything for the fun of it, which is why some love him.
This is good in the sandlot.
It’s hard to understand how a loosy goosy guy like he can get so tight under pressure.
He’s just not built for NY.
if CC stays they need to get a #2 SP for sure
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If he keeps pitching like tonight they will go for CJ Wilson, whatever the cost.
trisha – true pinstriped blue October 8th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
joeman, if he has, it isn’t under his primary moniker.
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been in and out of here the past month and did notice him not being around….thanks
Mick,
It’s unbelievable, but Yankees ARE in transition, waiting for the farm and a couple of the big contracts to expire. Even though, they won the division and almost made the ALDS. And fans still complain.
Maybe Billy Beane would consider dealing Brandon McCarthy for Swisher+
If we have CC, Nova, Hughes, and AJ (maybe Freddy comes back, maybe Bartolo?) we don’t need a #2, maybe we need a 4 or 5.
Pass on McCarthy, he is funny on Twitter but he is injured/not good over most of his career. Also he is a free agent apparently.
Swish is the perfect gap to another OF. He is a perfect gap to find out what we do with Montero as well. Depending on whether Montero can play any position dictates what kind of production, speed, power, etc you need to carry in RF. Or if you simply trade him for pitching or a position hitter. Longer term Granderson is a FA the year after with an option, so you need to be careful about 2 OF spots over the next three years with again, no minor leaguers close who can play either spot.
Can’t see Oakland or ChiSox trading for Swisher.
I know one thing, Nick will be crushed when he’s no longer in pinstripes.
It’s unbelievable, but Yankees ARE in transition,
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jmv
amazing how a team with such a nucleus can be considered in a bridge year
but it’s basically the staff that is
and a few missing pieces like Montero and a new RF
DAMN RAIN!!!!!
We’re talking about Nick Swisher here.
McCarthy would provide just as much value as Hughes whether in the rotation or pen.
so whats going to happen is that CC opts out & will look for a 7 year contract
If you really have no faith in Swisher in the postseason, why replace him now? Might it now be better to wait until the trading deadline? Kemp and Ethier will both be free agents after next year, if the Dodgers might be in a better position ownership-wise to deal, especially if they are out of contention. Swisher is perfectly adequate in the regular season.
Swish is movable but not for much of a return at 10 million and not before they could acquire someone like Choo to play RF.
What did Detroit sell their souls to the devil? Verlander gets to yell at the umps? They seem to manage to conjure up rain whenever their little darling is getting hit!
Replace Swish now because Choo may be cheaper in the winter than at the deadline. Cashman would have to put together a compelling offer for Choo regardless.
Nick Swisher is worth more than you think. And you’re trading Swisher+ for him? Crazy. McCarthy won’t be a free agent though, thats just a bb-ref error. Doesnt match his service time.
Maybe the Yanks can hire Francona to replace Kay, lol
Not interested in Beltran long-term……….Swisher? Teams not expecting to make the playoffs would want him, lol. seriously, even if the Yankees picked up his option, what team would trade for him as he heads to FA?
Brett, you always say how bad Phil is and then you expect other teams to trade good players for him. They aren’t stupid………and the goal of a trade is not to fleece the other team
Swisher is a 1 year rental at 10 million dollars. He’s not worth more than a mid-rotation AL starter like McCarthy.
seriously, even if the Yankees picked up his option, what team would trade for him as he heads to FA?
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Alot of teams should be interested in a 1 year deal at an affordable price for a guy that hits 25+ HRs, plays average to above average RF defense, and gets on base.
You all don’t realize Swishers value. He would get more than 1 year 10 mil if he were a FA
If he keeps pitching like tonight they will go for CJ Wilson, whatever the cost.
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how quickly things change….cash might have to tighten the pursestrings
they still will win and draw
they might wait till 2013 to spend
Washington’s an idiot for not having someone warmed up when play resumed.
Luis, yes on that to Phil -and I’m not sure he’ll have the whole year either. He looked so good in the pen that it’s very easy to think that he’s just better there for many reasons.
Mick,
Yankees are so good positioned that they could win it all in a bridge year. How many teams could do that?
My wishes next year: Montero everyday’s DH, Nova getting better (he has a real shot to surpass Phil), and the pitchers from the farm (B’s and the rest) getting ready for MLB. Also I’d like to see Tex work his swing like Grandy did.
Ogando is great. I hope that he has his stuff in order because he was a starter for most of the season and a lot of innings took their toll by the end of the season.
Betsy,
Choo had a down year too. Choo was an .900 OPS guy. Hughes won 18 games. Buy low for both teams.
Someone isn’t impressed with Verlander? Oook.
Swisher has hit .267 .368 .486 .854 for the Yankees over 3 years. Where are these players traded? And for injury prone 170 IP starters that pitch in cavernous ballparks?
Coming from a turd that wants the Yankees to let CC walk. LOL
mel, I agree. Damn that rain too. Wilson was cruising along. Sounds familiar right? They’ve sold their souls I tell you!
Bret, it’s not happening anyway………and you’re not trading the 18 game winning Phil . You’re trading a guy who struggled for half a season, had arm/fatigue issues and who has some ? hanging over him.. You’re not getting an all-star type player for him. YOu might as well just give him another shot in the rotation for the kind of return they could trade him for.
Trading Hughes for Choo seems wildly unproductive. Similar to last year, the Yanks are set in the outfield. They would only make room for Kemp, I can’t imagine who else that could possib
ly be available and they would want to plug in.
Outfield is not a need and pitching is a need. It’s the Carlos Beltran argument all over again. You don’t hurt yourself for unneeded upgrades.
No, you give Phil another shot because he has the potential to win 18 games. Or more.
The Yankees aren’t whack. They’d never trade Hughes.
Interesting how they call the game right away when it starts coming down while the Yankees had to bat in the 9th with it pouring
Bases loaded and a second rain delay is hard to come back to & be sharp for Wilson.
Ok. I’ll play. Swisher is valuable beyond Brandon McCarthy. An offense-starved team is the Braves. Would the Braves be willing to trade a starting pitcher for a 1 year rental like Swish? If so, name that pitcher.
Hey lookie guys…theyre gettin the tarp, so the Tigers dont have to bat in miserable conditions…..
But in Game 2 9th inning, they allowed Jeter, Grandy and Cano to bat in torrential downpur. Yay!
Ogando has that quiet intimidating Lee Van Cleef look in at the batters from the mound.
M, I guess we’ll see- I don’t view him the way you do, but either way, it doesn’t matter. For 2012, I expect him to be on the team.
I suppose Choo might be cheaper now. But other possibilities like Kemp, Ethier, Melky, Ichiro, Abreu might be cheaper in the last year of the contract at the deadline. The other thing is Cashman is probably going to want to trade pitching prospects for pitching. Getting free agent pitching is harder and harder, so you need to develop it yourself (which the Yankees have trouble doing, perhaps because of the need to win every year).
I wouldn’t trade Swisher for a starting pitcher. I would try to include him in a package for Choo or Heyward. Thats where I would deal Swisher+. What starter on the Braves is available/worth it?
Now you want to see phenomenal pitching? Look at Ogando. THAT’S phenomenal pitching.
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Lock, do you remember how Verlander was smirking every time something bad happened to the Yankees? Little prig.
This weather guy is gay
We got beat by a team that had Young, A JAx, Magglio Ordonez and Kelly in the OF.
And a pitching staff of Verlander, Fister, Scherzer and Porcello
I take Gardner, Swisher and Grandy
CC, Nova, Hughes, AJ and whomever they sign next year.
If anything in comparison to most teams this offense doesn’t need an upgrade beyond a fulll year of Montero. I will argue more tough out batters would be nice though.
And of course the SP could be upgraded.
And his name is Rick Dickert LOL
I don’t want CJW and I think he’ll stay with Texas or go to phillies to be the 5th ace or replace oswalt as the 4th ace. I doubt he wants to play for the yankees & don’t want the yankees to waste time on a guy who’ll reject them.
Make a bid for Darvish. He won’t cost Montero or the Killer Bs.
hamiltonian lay off the red bull.
For 2012, I expect him to be on the team.
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He better be since he’ll be the fifth longest tendered Yankee in 2012.
jmv
what are they bridging to? They are pretty inflexible aside from dh. just the staff is in transition.
if fans didn’t expect to win it all each season there would be less pain…
“Interesting how they call the game right away when it starts coming down while the Yankees had to bat in the 9th with it pouring”
The Yankees are always treated with as much disregard as officials can get away with. It’s like they’re always being punished for being too good.
Gonna go and get myself some dinner during this rain delay. Yeah I eat late.
# trisha – true pinstriped blue October 8th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Now you want to see phenomenal pitching? Look at Ogando. THAT’S phenomenal pitching.
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Lock, do you remember how Verlander was smirking every time something bad happened to the Yankees? Little prig.
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He smiles all the time that’s how he is
I think we can all pencil Hughes into the rotation next year.
I think he will return to form. I bet the Yankees do, too.
I can see Cash taking a look at Oswalt.
Cashman is pretty hesitant to trade young pitching……..and I get the feeling he won’t trade Swisher either.
Even if Choo did have a down year, you have to give a guy a bounce back year – why would the Indians trade him?
I think Hughes is half a season or maybe a bad ST away from being in the bullpen.
So then its cc-nova-oswalt-phil and aj
Jerkface you’re ignoring the needs of the trade partner. The Indians value pitching more than offense right now – their trade for Ubaldo highlights that. Carmona sucks. If anything, they’re looking to add pitching whether it be depth, upside, skill, some combination or all three. The Braves need offense. They’d look to add a bat, not subtract a bat. If anything they’d deal one of their starters – but not for Swisher. Jurrjens and Hanson far more valuable than Swish. They’ve wanted Swish in the past but the teams don’t match up IMHO. McCarthy is more realistic.
you have to give a guy a bounce back year – why would the Indians trade him?
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Lots of teams cut bait without giving a bounce back year. Thats how we got swisher.
“He smiles all the time that’s how he is”
Really? You watch all his games do you? He didn’t face the Yankees too many times this year. And uh, no, he doesn’t smile all the time, unless you’ve missed his scowling tonight.
He wasn’t smiling sweetly. He was grinning like the cheshire cat. And like a cat, he showed his claws tonight when he didn’t get his way with pitches. Screw him.
Exactly, Trisha. They do as much as they can to screw the Yanks and keep on hoodwinking the unknowledgeable fans. They’ve succeeded to this point by toe-ing the line. Little do they know that the fans, especially New York fans, just dont have any brains to recognize what’s going on.
sign freddy for 2 years or boston will vulture him
he can be the 6th man
Bret,
You don’t know what any of those teams want or need. The indians valued pitching at the deadline and got it. I say that means they don’t need more of it. The braves have said that Heyward isn’t even guaranteed a starting spot next year. I say thats evidence they are down on him. They routinely trot out terrible OF choices, I think that makes them suspect in terms of OF talent evaluation.
I think the Yankees could trade Swisher for McCarthy, I am saying they would never and it isn’t a good trade for the Yankees.
Mick,
Exactly. Bridging in the staff. A few years ago, they would have traded for Ubaldo, for example, just because.
And they are being patient with the young arms in the farm.
Bringing in Choo over Swisher isn’t going to happen. Maybe Cashman would find a way to bring Choo over as a fourth outfielder for extra competition, but I can’t see Cashman not picking up Swisher’s option, or picking up his option only to trade him for a guy who had a worse season last year.
The guy also had some DUI issues going on last year. I just don’t see it.
Swisher isn’t a post season hero, but he’s an above average right field. Quit with the sour grapes people.
Except for the great hamiltonian. You forgot to add but implied.
“I think we can all pencil Hughes into the rotation next year.
I think he will return to form. I bet the Yankees do, too.”
That’s your ability to think rationally, the way the Yankees think.
Of course you’re right.
Jerkface, yes so do I. I think he’ll get half a year………..but not much more than that. It’s all up to him – not sure why he came into camp overweight or why he can’t get his secondary pitches down, but it doesn’t matter anymore. He looked very good in the pen, that’s for sure.
“sign freddy for 2 years or boston will vulture him
he can be the 6th man”
Definitely want Freddy back.
Heyward is going to get a longer rope. Even Milledge had a longer rope than what you’re suggesting. I believe the Yankees would be interested, but not the Braves.
Yeah, Jerkface, but the Sox hated Swisher……
jmv
we will always have enough hitting to get by. in he reg. season that’s what you need.
we will be fine, it just might take time , as long as we get to the playoffs, that’s when you need the horses on the mound and some clutch hitting
Trisha,
The Tigers are pretty loose. He and Leyland have been goofing on each other this whole post season.
hamiltonian you rubbed me the wrong way when you referred to GB7 as “old man” as if it’s a character flaw.
If you’re smart enough you too will be lucky enough to be insulted the same way.
Heyward is going to get a longer rope. Even Milledge had a longer rope than what you’re suggesting. I believe the Yankees would be interested, but not the Braves.
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They will give him time, but I think an enterprising team could get Heyward for less than he would have commanded a year ago. He just had an injury plagued down year where his entire team lost faith in his ability to stay healthy and compete.
Frank Wren isn’t as shrewd as Scheurholtz, I think the Yankees could get him.
Betsy October 8th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Yeah, Jerkface, but the Sox hated Swisher……
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Sox fans hate Swisher almost more than anyone on the team. It’s strange.
If Im lucky enough, Rhapsody, Ill be put out of my misery long before I become an old man, because I cant take much more of the cheatjobs these umpires perpetrate on the Yankees.
Yeah, Jerkface, but the Sox hated Swisher……
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Kenny Williams didnt hate him, Ozzie did, but the point remains. Choo had a bad year, and a bad year outside of baseball as well. He is a Boras client. The Indians wont sign him long term. I think he could be traded for. I don’t know the price.
Betsy chic wants the Yanks to let CC walk. Gotta be a Red Sox fan, because you cant possibly be that stupid.
Kev, I don’t have any idea what went on down there. I can see how he would rub people the wrong way just because he’s so hyped up……..he’s not my favorite, but he’s a good guy. It’s too bad he’s pathetic in the post-season because he fits well here, but you can’t be this bad for this long and remain here for very long
Ya know, Im gonna call up Betsy’s parents and ask if she’s a Red Sox fan.
RadioKev -
I’m being specific about his smirking whenever the Yankees gave up runs. I don’t care how loose he is and Leyland hardly looks like the type to “goof”. I know what I saw.
Anyway, I don’t think he’s what everyone hyped him to be – and that’s based on my eyes. Anyone who says otherwise based on his postseason so far would have to be lying. If you want to hype his regular season stats, then you can because they’re cold stats. His postseason hasn’t been anything special.
man i love ps baseball
ratings will be down w/out the yanks,phillies or sox in it
wonder of wonders
Okay, outta here for a while. Din din time.
I agree on Choo. He’s a realistic target. I think Heyward gets 1 more year on Atlanta. Unless you want to part with a pitcher they’re targeting. After they plucked Vizcaino, I’m uncomfortable with granting them access to arms like Betances.
trisha,
Verlander was smirking all through game 3. He had no trouble with watching CC not get the outside calls, while he threw balls a foot outside our lefties that were called strikes.
I love watching him get squeezed & coughing up runs… Though I want the rangers to lose the series because I don’t like CJW. I think he’s an arrogant a-hole. He made some statement at the start of the season about the yankees needing to come through them. And well. they’re in & we’re out. I want them out.
he’s not my favorite, but he’s a good guy. It’s too bad he’s pathetic in the post-season because he fits well here
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question? don’t take this as a challenge but why does he fit here?
b/c he salutes the bleacher creatures?
Torre-still a master of saying nothing. True Yankee.
After they plucked Vizcaino, I’m uncomfortable with granting them access to arms like Betances.
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I would trade Nova/Betances for a shot at Heyward.
torre practicing for his next job as commish?
or weatherman?
Verlander wasn’t smiling at the end of game 4 or when the up squeezed him in today’s game.
ump not up
Nova? He’s worth a ton.
# trisha – true pinstriped blue October 8th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
“He smiles all the time that’s how he is”
Really? You watch all his games do you? He didn’t face the Yankees too many times this year. And uh, no, he doesn’t smile all the time, unless you’ve missed his scowling tonight.
He wasn’t smiling sweetly. He was grinning like the cheshire cat. And like a cat, he showed his claws tonight when he didn’t get his way with pitches. Screw him.
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I’m not going to kill the guy because he was smiling when things were going against the Yankees. All players take glee when another team isn’t getting breaks. There is alot of players in baseball more specifically on the Tigers you can dislike but Verlander isn’t one of them.
Man it looks like the 60′s are back with these wall st protests
right wing repub from va cantor thinks obama is encouraging the protest
At least they picked the right target, finally. Wall Street hates us.
sure if they get in they will give them an illegal war to protest about
According to Fox news Wall Street protests are anti-American. Therefore Wall Street = America.
wall st is just a symbol for the crap economy
How are Ainge, Santiago, and Don Kelly doing ?
Have them won the series MVP yet ?
The yankees have a good farm system. If they could get Kemp for a price that doesn’t include Montero or the Killer Bs, then the deal should be done.
Ideally, A-rod is healthy & hitting well going into next year’s playoffs. Also, Teix has reworked his swing to hit away from the shift & can help out offensively in the post season. Then Swisher’s PS struggles can be somewhat forgiven.
Even though Wall Street profits by destroying American wealth and ganging up on American business and shorting American stocks.
Truly patriotic enterprise.
WCYF emerges!
Wall Street is a billionaire and millionaire club and (to quote the late George Carlin), “You ain’t in it”.
many americans have their life savings tied up in wall st, it beats the < 1 % you get at the banks
I want to make a T-Shirt that says
I got MUGGED on WALL STREET
I went down to Occupy Boston today. Very colorful, to say the least.
i wonder if there is so much fan on fan hate on other team blogs?
anybody been around?
I guess all those effects of Global Warming are exaggerated.
I thought Texas is suppose to be the rain free zone.
Global Warming
or
Global Hoax
Mick,
Nope. BoSox blogs are pure man on man love.
sons of horny sam?
do they have their versions of the clownage we get here, bret?
angry old men, bitter young women, et al?
i swear to god, i despise betsy. I am 100% convinced she’s a red sox fan.
From her Clay Buchholz ass sucking to her wanting the Yankees to do anything that detriments themselves, like let CC walk, it’s fairly clear to me.
i used to think that mick had an obsession with the betsy c.nt, but its impossible to ignore the things she says purposely to get a reaction out of people.
One day, she’ll be telling of how great Clay Buchholz’ asshole tastes, and the next saying CC is no good, let him walk.
well all the favorites are gone and we have a rockin playoff scene, let the underdogs rule…i’m sure america will love it……but the ratings will be down. ironic.
mick October 8th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
sons of horny sam?
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could have been worse…
speaking of wine tasting, this place is a ghost town so I bid all adieu…
“trisha,
Verlander was smirking all through game 3. He had no trouble with watching CC not get the outside calls, while he threw balls a foot outside our lefties that were called strikes.
I love watching him get squeezed & coughing up runs… Though I want the rangers to lose the series because I don’t like CJW. I think he’s an arrogant a-hole. He made some statement at the start of the season about the yankees needing to come through them. And well. they’re in & we’re out. I want them out. ”
Lock, thanks. That is exactly what was happening.
And no, Against All Odds, not all pitchers are like that. In fact, I’d say they all have a ton more class than he displayed. You don’t sit there like a hairy monkey yukking up a storm when the competition is down and out. And you want to know why, besides the fact that most players are actually respectful of other players? Because if you spit in the air you get a wad of spit in you beady little eye – and that’s just what’s happening to the scowling hairy monkey tonight.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
I just got back with dinner. I didn’t notice the crowd one way or the other. I see the game is still delayed (I think it’s just a delay). Maybe that’s why everyone disappeared.
Lock, I am definitely doing my cheering by default. Anyone but the cheating Tigers.
Night all – or at least night for now.
Wish you guys would leave your politics at the door.
I am a conservative but a life long Yankee fan I come here to talk baseball spare me please with your political commentary.
Battery was dead. Mick, you’re right, yankees are gonna be ok. Night all
Bret the Hitman complains about Wall Street while is debt to me goes unpaid.
#occupylohud
Scheduled surgeries for Phillies:
Howard-achilles
Hamels-removal of foreign objects in his left elbow
Hamels-hernia
Polanco-hernia
Ross Gload-hip
Pence-hernia (might not need surgery)
You forgot Cliff Lee’s spine replacement.
I know you ‘d rather have the $25, but the debt is worth a lot more in terms of laughs.
The Phillies’ doctors are gonna make more money than the pitching staff
My amortization tables say I haven’t come close to getting my money’s worth yet.
Lee had a heart transplant between Seattle and free agency. That’s the only explanation for his change of heart.
Ian Kinsler texted Lee a picture of his dead season.
Just got in from a night out and decided to check the blog. Now some are saying Verlander isn’t that good? Whoa.
good result.
Tigers will lose in ALCS, but Rangers will lose in WS again.
This is it. Tigers lose.
Verlander is good. But he got some calls against the yankees, so is nice to see him get the reverse treatment
m October 9th, 2011 at 12:39 am
Scheduled surgeries for Phillies:
Howard-achilles
Hamels-removal of foreign objects in his left elbow
Hamels-hernia
Polanco-hernia
Ross Gload-hip
Pence-hernia (might not need surgery)
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Thank God, Nova and Colon don’t need to have any foreign objects removed from their elbows. Foreign objects is all they have in there.
Now Cards vs Brewers… Oh the eighties
Foreign objects is all they have in there
Well, the elbows including the bodies are foreign so it’s all good
people creating multiple names just to troll Betsy. ****ing pathetic. you sad, miserable, ****ing bully. get a life freak. anger problems? what are you so frustrated about? you are obsessed bro. and you think it’s her that has more problems. hilarious.
You don’t trade nova/betances for heyward,when it is not much of an upgrade over anyone of our players & when we can keep swisher for only money.
I want CJ Wilson to carry the Rangers to World Series victory so the Rangers practically have to sign him (and then the Yankees won’t).
I would trade Nova and Betances for Heyward without even thinking twice……that kid still has a chance to be really special and he’s 22. They could still sign Kemp after 2012 and have just a beastly outfield of Kemp, Granderson, Heyward.
That said…..it’d take a lot more than that. The Braves don’t need pitching …..they need offense and trading Heyward is counterproductive for them unless they are filling multiple positions back. ……think more along the lines of Swisher, Banuelos, Nunez, and probably a high upside guy like Williams or Sanchez ……that’s probably closer to what it would take to even get them interested
Im not advocating signing Wilson…..because I think its risky and I don’t think they need him…..but Texas may be the Yankees biggest competition to get to the WS over the next few years…..and signing Wilson not only helps the Yankees but it hurts Texas……so Im sure that’s something the Yanks will think about.
Blake-
Just curious.
Given a choice who would you rather have Danks or Wilson ?
Logan Morrison’s a guy I’d look at.
IMO the Yankees should not be in a hurry to do anything.
They have Noesi, Betances, and Banuelos on the way, and the 2012 FA looks to be very strong.
Kemp, Hamels, Cain, Danks, etc. might be just some of the available FA’s.
MTU,
It depends. I think Wilson is probably a better pitcher right now…..but Id much rather rent Danks for a year if I could get him without giving up my top guys.
Basically it depends on what I would have to give up to get Danks…..and what kind of contract id have to pay Wilson. All things being equal I think Wilson is better…….but my first plan would be to see if I could trade for Danks with excess in the upper levels
Blake-
I would expect Wilson to be expensive, and to require a fairly long contract.
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