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Did we learn anything new yesterday?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 12, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The point of yesterday’s Joe Girardi press conference was not necessarily to break news. It was an end-of-the-year question-and answer session, a time to look back and think ahead, but not a necessarily a time to discover new information. Of course, during a slow news period like this, you always hope for some small bit of news.

Did we actually learn anything yesterday?

Maybe not, but there were some things to take away from yesterday’s 36 minutes of Girardi behind the microphone.

• Girardi said there was no hidden injury to Alex Rodriguez. Girardi said Rodriguez’s health problems, and the extent of those problems, were exactly as they were portrayed publicly. I thought yesterday might be a time for Girardi to said, “Yes, Alex’s knee was bothering him more than we let on,” but Girardi said that wasn’t the case.

• The public support to Russell Martin is telling. Common speculation has been that Martin will be back and Jesus Montero will takeover as the regular designated hitter. Girardi seemed to introduce that very idea yesterday. Makes it seem more and more likely.

• Brian Cashman said it after Game 5, and Girardi said it yesterday: The rotation is the Yankees focus this offseason. Speculate all you want about trades and signings to add a big bat, but pitching really is the most obvious need.

• Maybe I’m wrong, but Girardi actually did seem more open to lineup changes yesterday. In the past he seemed to always give vague answers about looking into different batting orders, while immediately defending the current alignment. Yesterday, every suggestion was met with Girardi saying he was open to something new. The fact he actually did move Robinson Cano up to the No. 3 spot at the end of the regular season makes me believe he’s honestly willing to consider changes.

• There’s no easy way to deal with the Jorge Posada situation. Everyone, including Girardi, sees the writing on the wall. Posada seemed to see it when he made that tearful exit during his postgame interview on Thursday.

• Was there a single mention of the bullpen yesterday? I don’t think there was. For a team with a 42-year-old closer, one setup man coming back from Tommy John, another with an opt out this winter, and a left-hander likely to miss a second straight season, the Yankees bullpen doesn’t have many questions. It’s deep enough that if Rafael Soriano does opt out of that massive contract, it would be a blessing.

• Is it just me, or does it seem like Girardi spent the past four days thinking, “How in the world did we lose that series?”

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280 Responses to “Did we learn anything new yesterday?”

  1. GreenBeret7 October 12th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    I’m sure girardi and every player on that team wonders how it happened. Much like 1960 when NY out hit, out pitched and out fielded the Pirates and blew them out in 3 games and lost 5 close games outscoring the Pirates by nearly 30 runs. The better team lost.

    I look at it as just one of those things. It’s nobody’s fault and everybody’s fault.

  2. Pat M. October 12th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    GB……And the Cincinnati Reds payed for that in 1961 even without The Mick……I really thought The Bombers would swat the Tigers away in 4….

  3. Pat M. October 12th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Check that …Paid, you’re stuff is contagious GB…

  4. Jerkface October 12th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    GB……And the Cincinnati Reds payed for that in 1961 even without The Mick……I really thought The Bombers would swat the Tigers away in 4….

    They would have, if our pitchers knew how to exact a pitch sequence to Delmon Young or if a certain thurman munson look-a-like knew how to hit with the sacks juiced.

    Just a bunch of teeny tiny things that determine how 1 run games break.

  5. UnKnown October 12th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Balk not called there. Tigers getting plenty of breaks as well in this postseason.

  6. LGY October 12th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Horrible decision by Cruz. Benoit looked very vulnerable.

  7. luis October 12th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    luis October 12th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
    luis, isn’t that a video for the ages??? I can’t get enough of it. The kid who put that together is brilliant. And he had it up almost as quickly as the collapse happened.

    Absolutely send it!

    ==========

    What is very striking is that the Sux had loser faces way before they actually lost!, like they knew beforehand that they were out….with that kind of actitude no wonder they lost.

  8. UnKnown October 12th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Wrong on the balk. Looked like it was until I saw the replays. Now the Rangers have to get this thing into extra’s so they can beat the Dancing Queen.

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    luis, you’re right. They looked totally defeated. And with what we now know, little wonder.

  10. luis October 12th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    I think as Girardi, we are all wondering how did we lose that series…..But in the end, i would say we lost it because of the lack of situational hitters and Girardi not willing to use his bench more effectively

  11. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    The Red Sox will always cheat. Whether it be with cameras to detect catcher signs. Theyll always find a way to cheat, because they want to win, at any cost.

  12. GreenBeret7 October 12th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Pat, I thought that, too. Never expected the 4-5-6 to fade like that, but, never thought that other than the broken bat single by Cano, he’d disappear in games 2 and 3. The pitching was really good to hold Detroit down as much as the did. It hurt the yanks that they didn’t have any left handed pitcher other than Coke to use. They got to Verlander but couldn’t touch Fister for long stretches. He’s usually they sort of pitcher the yanks torch. If they had brought in Coke, you would have seen Montero hit for Martin or Posada.

  13. m October 12th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    We learned nothing new, Chad.

    Not much is going to change with the team except for the DH & bench.

    I suspect that Garcia & Colon will move on to greener pastures. They pitched themselves into relevancy this season.

    We knew that Girardi was open to lineup changes the second he filled out a different lineup with Cano batting higher.

  14. Nick in SF October 12th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Who finishes higher in 2012, Boston or Showaltimore? :grin:

  15. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    And this is the team we scored 19 runs against in two games. Makes me think that a 7 game series would have been the charm, as long as there weren’t rain outs and Gerry Davises in the house.

  16. Pat M. October 12th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Nick in SF…….What was The Showalter’s record outside of the AL East ??? Do you know ??? I recall indicating that I thought they could be a close to .500 club outside the East….

  17. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Boston will make the necessary changes to get in the playoffs next year, and compete with the Yankees/Rays for the AL East.

    Like I said, they have accountability. They completed the worst collapse in baseball history, just ahead of their 1978 collapse. Terry Francona was held accountable. And the organization wont stand for it. Theyre certainly not going to put subpar quality on the field next year. Whatever team they have to go to, to get gifted a player in the offseason, they will.

  18. luis October 12th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Nick,

    that is very good question……I don’t see the sux beating either Tampa or Toronto….Tied for last?? :D

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    “Who finishes higher in 2012, Boston or Showaltimore? :D

    :lol:

    I think I may be forced to go with Showaltimore!

  20. Jerkface October 12th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    What was The Showalter’s record outside of the AL East ??? Do you know ??? I recall indicating that I thought they could be a close to .500 club outside the East….

    They were only above .500 against minnesota (who lost 99 games), cinn, and sea. They were really bad against Toronto and Yankees though.

  21. GreenBeret7 October 12th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    Nothing better than watching a ballgame and listening to 14 hours of willie Nelson singing classics like “Stardust”, “I Don’t Have a Reason To Go To California Anymore”, “A Horse Called Music” and “A Whiter Shade Of Pale”.

  22. UnKnown October 12th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Now Yorvett has to lead off cause of Cruz’s bad base running. That hurts.

  23. GreenBeret7 October 12th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    I’ll let the others place blame for the early exit on umpires, weather and that stuff. I’ll just place it where it belongs…team failure. They were good enough to adapt and overcome, but didn’t do it.

  24. Nick in SF October 12th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    The Orioles were 22-20 vs. the Central, amazing given that the Twins are baseball’s model franchise.

    The Orioles were 12-18 vs. the Woeful West.

  25. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    Cant someone just beat this dancing steroid user?

  26. Pat M. October 12th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    GB….That’s the bottom line…

  27. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    The faces of the O’s when they scored the winning run, and the way they celebrated was worth everything to me. I don’t think it can be easy for teams that continually struggle to feel great about themselves or to play with a lot of swagger.

    The way the O’s played in September, I just hope and pray theey remember that every day next season and approach the season as if they can compete with anyone. That kind of self belief can really carry a team far, especially if they back it up with effective play. At this point, Andino, JJ Hardy, Angle, Weiters, and Jim Johnson have become household names! (Have I forgotten anyone?)

  28. mick October 12th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    buck and timmy are downright giddy tonight…wonder why?

  29. Tom in N.J. October 12th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    Ah, the Twins:

    http://www.onionsportsnetwork......-of,26144/

  30. Pat M. October 12th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    34-38 not too far off….

  31. Yogi Mantle October 12th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    luis October 12th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    I think as Girardi, we are all wondering how did we lose that series…..But in the end, i would say we lost it because of the lack of situational hitters and Girardi not willing to use his bench more effectively
    +++++++++

    I agree. The one real weakness with the Yankee offense was being able to play small ball in close games. The whole season they lost too many games that were close because of that.

    There were some manager decisions that didn’t help. Batters who were trying to do too much. The rain during Jeter and Cano’s at bats. Davis helping the Tiggers to a win.

    The 5 game series just seems wrong as a way to determine which teams go on to the LC series, as a little luck and umpiring being poor in one game can swing it to favor a lesser team.

    I also don’t like that the team with the best record doesn’t face the WC if they are in the same division.

  32. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    I love Robert Andino now. No matter what he does against us in the future. He said after the game that he wanted to make the Red Sox cry. You cant have any more class than that

  33. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    In case anyone’s interested in the Showalter’s September record, I will happily look it up for you!

  34. Red Robin October 12th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    WHO

    will hit the walk-off homerun ?

    Ainge, Santiage, or Don Kelly ?

  35. GreenBeret7 October 12th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    They were good enough to adapt and overcome

    I’ll reword this properly.

    They ***had talent*** enough to adapt and overcome

  36. luis October 12th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    Trish,

    your favorite player….Adam Jones

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    mick, it might be one of those connect the dots things.

    Buck and McCarver live to utter the names of the Sux players early and often. If the Sux can’t be around for them to fantasize to, they definitely don’t want the Yankees there instead. Since the Tigers are the ones who helped them to that moment (by beating the Yankees) they are giddy with hoping for a dancing clown win!

  38. Red Robin October 12th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    The walk-off for the Tigres is inevitable .

    Leyland and his Magic dust .

  39. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    luis, I didn’t even bother mentioning Ad (ha ha that’s what I call him) because he is a steady force for them. But those other guys really kind of came out of nowhere! Well, not really Wieters, but the others.

    :)

  40. UnKnown October 12th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Joe Buck is such a bad announcer. Unfortunately his smugness makes me believe that he thinks he is really good.

    He just does such a poor job its downright criminal

  41. luis October 12th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    Yogi,

    Very good post, i don’t think i can add anything to it, except that in the end is a team effort. props to you

  42. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    I hope people agree with me on this…

    Joe Buck suffered a disease earlier this year that attacked his vocal chords. Im excited by that, but Im upset that the disease didnt completely destroy his vocal chords. The only thing that means anything to Buck, besides Boston and the Red Sox, is his voice. Without his voice, he’s nothing.

    Im just glad he has to suffer some sort of pain for his perpetual bias over the years.

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    GORGEOUS!

    Mike Napoli does it all!

  44. Nick in SF October 12th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    #slowerthangranderson?

  45. syd_cash October 12th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    UnKnown October 12th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
    Joe Buck is such a bad announcer. Unfortunately his smugness makes me believe that he thinks he is really good.

    He just does such a poor job its downright criminal
    ___________________

    Ahh yes, so true. Unfortunately we have to hear from him in two different sports that’s criminal as well.

  46. luis October 12th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Yogi,

    On second thoughts……….Note to Girardi: PLAY MONTERO!!

  47. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    There was a game against the Mets many years ago on FOX Saturday baseball, the Yankees came back from down 4 runs in the 9th inning. In extra innings, this jerk off Buck kept repeating himself out of disgust at the Yankees comeback, “We shouldnt even be here right now” and “This game shouldve been over”

  48. Villa Nova-Ya October 12th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    GreenBeret7

    I like the phrase “it was nobody’s fault and it was everybody’s fault.” I think it sums it up well.

    I think it was easy to not give Cano anything to hit when 4, 5, 6 and 7 were MIA a lot. So, in that sense it doesn’t surprise me that Cano didn’t do much after Game 1(a). However, Cano is such an unconventional hitter, that you’d think he would get a hit whether they gave him anything “good” to hit or not.

  49. Villa Nova-Ya October 12th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Nick in SF -

    It would seem so.

  50. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Please let this be the innings that Valverde Steroids gives up a run or runs

  51. blake October 12th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    they should sign Kemp and Hamilton both after next year……and Hamels

  52. LockDown October 12th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    The clown is in trouble.

  53. Villa Nova-Ya October 12th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    I really want Valverde’s magical streak to end.

    It just irks me.

    Silly.

  54. Villa Nova-Ya October 12th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    But I don’t want the Rangers to win necessarily.

    Such a difficult matchup – I don’t really want either team to win….

  55. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Michael Young was also on my fantasy team. Great job he did this season!

  56. syd_cash October 12th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    wouldn’t you just bunt here…i know its Young but still

  57. Villa Nova-Ya October 12th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    I do like Michael Young, though. So I’ll root for him to get a hit here.

  58. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    The worst part about Valveroids is, he’s really not that good. He has absolutely no control, and you should be able to walk against him, but people just try to do too much against this criminal

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    It was nobody’s fault and everybody’s fault. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

    It was nobody’s fault and the fault of rainouts and bad umpiring.

    Something for everyone there!

  60. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    That woman has man hands

  61. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Oh Michael. Oh well, okay. At least it isn’t two down.

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Napoli has home run power.

  63. blake October 12th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    I’m pulling for Detroit in the series….but it would be almost worth them losing to see Valverde blow a save

  64. blake October 12th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    or take the loss I should say….not a save situation

  65. UnKnown October 12th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    I wonder why the Cards took Carp out after only 89 pitches getting through only 5. I would think LaRussa would ride his ace longer than that. Especially considering how weak the Cards pen is.

  66. syd_cash October 12th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    a HR would be nice, but I’ll take a base hit too!

  67. GreenBeret7 October 12th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Thanks, VYA. It’s the only way I could describe it. Cano struck out a lot down the stretch. Chased a lot of pitches he didn’t earlier. He didn’t get a lot of help, but if only they had just 3 of them pick up a single in those three games, it doesn’t make it past 4 and probably 3. As I said, they all had a chance to do something…sac fly, run scoring grounder. Just didn’t happen…whether it was tough pitching orNY hitters being over anxious. Who knows. Get ‘em in ’12.

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Gallardo and Carpenter both out of the game after 5. 4-3 Cards.

  69. blake October 12th, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    I like Napoli’s swing….he stays inside the ball well

  70. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    YEAH!!!! BIG!!!!!

  71. syd_cash October 12th, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    whoot whoot!!! Napoli :D

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    YOU CALLED IT SYD!!!!!

  73. blake October 12th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    He can rake….actually I see some similarities in Montero and Napoli’s swings….both stay inside well and have nice swing planes…and still swing hard.

  74. Villa Nova-Ya October 12th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Ha ha ha, Valverde!

  75. m October 12th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Let’s dance, Pape Grande!

  76. Against All Odds October 12th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    That’s the game

  77. blake October 12th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    when Cruz is locked in he’s as good as anybody….unreal power

  78. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You aint dancing now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!

    Nelson Cruz ought to dance right now on Home Plate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Um, game!

    :) :) :)

  80. syd_cash October 12th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    CRUZ= game over. (Not really a rangers fan but that guy has looked sick this series)

  81. blake October 12th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    incredible extension

  82. Pat M. October 12th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    Today I like it very much that Jerkaface was right about Naps..

  83. Benny Blanco October 12th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    Nelson cruz…is in beast mode..unreal power.

  84. blake October 12th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    I can’t stand Texas…..but I can’t stand valverde even more

  85. Yogi Mantle October 12th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    luis October 12th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Yogi,

    On second thoughts……….Note to Girardi: PLAY MONTERO!!
    ++++++++++
    I agree Luis, I think Girardi just had blinders on to what Martin was doing at the plate (not behind it) and should have at least tried something different when the opportunity was there.

    I agree with GB to a point about adapting to the game, but isn’t some of that on the manager to read the situation and help make adjustments? I enjoy watching Swisher, but his post season play leaves a lot of room for improvement. Seeing the way the rain was coming down, couldn’t Girardi have asked for a slight delay or at least gone out to talk to the umpires about the rain with the hope that it would lighten for the at bat to continue?

    Batting with that heavy rain took the bat out of Cano’s hands. He was having trouble seeing as was evident with how often he wiped his helmet off. That is safety related and something that Girardi could have brought up.

  86. LockDown October 12th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    The clown about to get a loss :D

  87. luis October 12th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Valverde just blew the game open :D

  88. DocTodd October 12th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    No dancing tonight Bozo!!!

  89. Jerkface October 12th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    He can rake….actually I see some similarities in Montero and Napoli’s swings….both stay inside well and have nice swing planes…and still swing hard.

    I hope Jesus Montero doesn’t end up as persecuted and setup to fail by his manager as Napoli.

  90. syd_cash October 12th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    i will lmao if Texas closes it out tomorrow against…Verlander. (I can here crickets in Detroit) :)

  91. LockDown October 12th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    You gotta give it to the rangers, they have a good offense. :(

  92. Villa Nova-Ya October 12th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    GB7 -

    All you can do. Get ‘em next season.

  93. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbwokmNkr-k

  94. Red Robin October 12th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    The Despicable Dancing Clown of Detroit .

    :)

  95. Red Robin October 12th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    So what happened to Ainge, Santiago, and Don Kelly ?

  96. blake October 12th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    “I hope Jesus Montero doesn’t end up as persecuted and setup to fail by his manager as Napoli.”

    uhm yes….it’s really amazing that Scosica basically just wouldn’t let the guy play….especially when his team can’t score. Good bats play somewhere

  97. Pat M. October 12th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Face….Naps no longer has a loop to his swing…..

  98. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Lock, I’m so happy you’re here!

    Have you noticed whose been sitting in his dugout with a very serious expression through the whole game? I thought someone said he was just a happy dude all the time and that’s why he grinned like an idiot every time the Yankees were losing!

    :lol:

    karma baby!

  99. Villa Nova-Ya October 12th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Yogi Mantle -

    I wonder though. That rain, the first time with Jeter, came so quickly and left so quickly. In the ninth it came on quickly again with Cano up. It was just weird. Don’t know that Girardi could have done anything there.

    I don’t recall. Did Cano at least ask for time out a couple of times?

  100. m October 12th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    10th postseason HR for Cruz. Isn’t this just his 2nd year in the postseason?

    Credited with the first walkoff GS. Now the first person to hit 2 extra innings HR in the same series.

    I hate to say it, but he’s a clutch hitter.

  101. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    Yes, Trisha. Verlander has been sitting there, like the tool that he is.

  102. blake October 12th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    When both Hamilton and Cruz and healthy and hitting Texas’s lineup is really tough to navigate through….

  103. m October 12th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    “Face….Naps no longer has a loop to his swing….”

    The forearm shortening surgery worked. :P

  104. LockDown October 12th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    trisha,

    :lol: They keep showing your boy in the dugout. Hopefully he gets squeezed tomorrow.

  105. Against All Odds October 12th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    syd_cash October 12th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    CRUZ= game over. (Not really a rangers fan

    ————————————————————-

    Yea I’m not that much of a Rangers fan either especially when he hit the Grand Slam and the fans in Rangers ballpark decided to chant Yankees suck.

  106. Villa Nova-Ya October 12th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Trisha -

    Most guys on teams who are winning are going to be happy, even grinning. If the team is losing, I would not expect grinning. I’m not sure what Verlander’s “crime” is there.

  107. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    It would be fitting if arguably the best pitcher in the AL Central got squeezed tomorrow.

  108. LockDown October 12th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Next year:

    A-rod gets healthy, Teix fixes his swing, Montero in the lineup. :D

  109. Jerkface October 12th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Face….Naps no longer has a loop to his swing…..

    Didn’t have one the last 2 years either :)

  110. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    This white stick figure loser, Kelly Don

  111. YankeesFan92 October 12th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    only if tex and swisher can be half as clutch as cruz…

  112. Villa Nova-Ya October 12th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    I know it’s a 4-run lead, but I really hate when they say “goodbye” before the game is, you know, over.

  113. Yogi Mantle October 12th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    I really don’t like either the Tigers or the Rangers. The only team I can sort of root for is the Cards, and that is marginal, as I am not a fan of the NL. I can’t root for any team that whines about the Yankees spending money and acting as if it causes their failures. The Brewers owner did that. The Rangers with all their comments.

    Valverde blowing the game is sweet. I can’t stand that guy, yet you don’t hear the crap about him that the lesser emotions that Joba showed were national news.

  114. Pat M. October 12th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Face ….He had a real uppercut swing ….m, very funny

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Unknown – I think the reason Carpenter came out was because he had already given up 6 hits and 3 walks and his strike to balls ratio was under 2:1.

  116. JobaTipsHisCap October 12th, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    finally, ugly dancer chokes!!!
    baseball god!

  117. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Now may I please see Justin Verlander’s loose as a goose fun and games smile please!

  118. luis October 12th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    I agree with GB to a point about adapting to the game, but isn’t some of that on the manager to read the situation and help make adjustments? I enjoy watching Swisher, but his post season play leaves a lot of room for improvement. Seeing the way the rain was coming down, couldn’t Girardi have asked for a slight delay or at least gone out to talk to the umpires about the rain with the hope that it would lighten for the at bat to continue?

    ===============
    Yogi,

    I just copied this part of your post because it just sums up very well what went on…..Girardi is a good manager, but he lacks feel of the in-game situations, thus he wasn’t able to recognize key situations that would have turned certain games in our favor or at least gave us a fair chance to win them. I’m not going to post them all again, but in the end we didn’t adapted because the person at the helm didn’t recognize them.

  119. JobaTipsHisCap October 12th, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    next game VARLENDER loses again.
    Only Yanks make tigers look good, seriously.

  120. Pat M. October 12th, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Goodnight all….Very enjoyable evening here, kind of like the more civilized days…..

  121. m October 12th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    I hope the Cards and the Rangers meet in the WS, with the Yankees winning it all. :P

  122. GreenBeret7 October 12th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Yogi,

    It was more about the hitters adapting to the umpires and pitchers….but, yeah, Girardi didn’t adapt to the situations at hand, either. Even the pitch that Soriano gave up the homer on was not a bad pitch. Young went out and got it because they knew he wasn’t getting a pitch inside. A wek before that, he couldn’t touch that pitch.

    Look at Alex Avila of the Tigers. He chases the same pitch every time…down and in slider, knowing he can’t hit it and can’t let it go. He has yet to adapt to the way they’re pitching him. Oddly, that was never a problem for him during the season.

  123. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Karma keeps coming around. First, Young. Then, Agglio Ordonez. Now, Valverde. Hopefully tomorrow, Verlander

  124. JobaTipsHisCap October 12th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Rangers lineup is explosive, better than Yanks.
    they can hit anything now

  125. Jerkface October 12th, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    Face ….He had a real uppercut swing

    Check the tape! His swing is nearly identical. He always had a slight uppercut, its why he hit so many HRs.

  126. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    “Trisha -

    Most guys on teams who are winning are going to be happy, even grinning. If the team is losing, I would not expect grinning. I’m not sure what Verlander’s “crime” is there.”

    He’s a smug pri*k who was shown laughing up a storm every time the Yankees got hurt (meaning gave up runs, lost the lead, etc.). I never saw a Yankee pitcher do that to the opposing team. But then you’d have to lack class to do that. And if you think I’m exaggerating, ask Lockdown. She and I compared notes while it was happening.

    CC Sabathia got totally screwed by Gerry Davis but he stood there and took it like a man and kept on trying. Verlander got bad calls in his first start in the ALCS and scowled and actually started jawboning with the ump.

    Screw him!

  127. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    “Karma keeps coming around. First, Young. Then, Agglio Ordonez. Now, Valverde. Hopefully tomorrow, Verlander”

    Yep. The final karma as to be the Kenny Rogers karma, aka the Rangers taking the ALCS.

  128. Yogi Mantle October 12th, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    Villa, Cano kept stepping out of the box after every pitch to wipe his helmet. Getting the towel most times. It was really heavy and the type of rain that usually doesn’t last long. It would have been the Cano at bat especially that Girardi should have at least gone out and talked to the umps about it.

    Even Jeter’s at bat, he was taking off the helmet and wiping it after every pitch. You would think that even the umpires would see that and have some concerns over the vision of the batters being affected.

  129. m October 12th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    The New Curse of the Bambino?

    http://a.espncdn.com/espnradio.....ust576.jpg

  130. Yogi Mantle October 12th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    Yep. The final karma as to be the Kenny Rogers karma, aka the Rangers taking the ALCS.
    +++++++

    And the Ranger fans shouting Yankees Suck to celebrate the victory?

  131. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    Lock, perfection would be for Verlander to throw yet another losing effort and have it be the final game for the Tigers.

    :)

    Couldn’t be scripted better.

  132. blake October 12th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    pretty decent night behind the plate for a guy that can’t catch also

  133. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Yogi, why would umpires be concerned over the Yankees being at a disadvantage?

  134. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    “And the Ranger fans shouting Yankees Suck to celebrate the victory?”

    Doubt the Rangers are giving a thought to the Yankees, as it should be!

    Now if they want to show integrity and yell “Gerry Davis sucks!”, I can get behind that!!!

    :D

  135. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    blake, Yep. The Red Sox were rumored to go after Napoli in the offseason. Thankfully, they didnt get gifted him also

  136. GreenBeret7 October 12th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    It’s going to be “The Curse Of The Theo” for 86 years.

    For the Cubs, “The Curse Of The Gorilla” for 106 more years.

  137. luis October 12th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Good night Pat M

  138. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    “The New Curse of the Bambino?

    http://a.espncdn.com/espnradio…..ust576.jpg

    LMAO!!!!

    That’s just beautiful. Those cartoonists are pretty creative!

    **********

    Does anyone remember when Pedro Martinez was asked about the Curse of the Babe and he said something to the effect of “Dig up the Babe, I’ll drill him in the ass.” and then lost every game after that and actually apologized publicly saying he didn’t mean it?

  139. LockDown October 12th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    trisa,

    yup. With Verlander unable to get through 5 due to his high pitch count from being squeezed.

  140. m October 12th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    I see a lot of anti-Detroitism here. Lingering effects of postseasons past?

  141. luis October 12th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Trisha,

    What Yogi was refering is that at game one ,the fans in Arlington were chanting “Yankees suck”. i didn’t like that either…..we are not even playing against them.

  142. UnKnown October 12th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Unknown – I think the reason Carpenter came out was because he had already given up 6 hits and 3 walks and his strike to balls ratio was under 2:1.

    —–

    Probably right. He didn’t look sharp at all. I liked that youtube video of the Dancing Clown. Funny

  143. Against All Odds October 12th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    # Yogi Mantle October 12th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    Yep. The final karma as to be the Kenny Rogers karma, aka the Rangers taking the ALCS.
    +++++++

    And the Ranger fans shouting Yankees Suck to celebrate the victory?

    —————————-

    Exactly and ppl are rooting for the Rangers after all the crap with Texas last yr from Lee, to the owner taking shots at our club, to Cj Wilson jabbing Yankee spending during the season and after the whole Cliff Lee fiasco(in the off season). The Tigers have some d bags the closer being one of them but c’mon now.

  144. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    “trisa,

    yup. With Verlander unable to get through 5 due to his high pitch count from being squeezed.”

    Oh Lock, I would live for that moment. I hope that when their ALCS is over he has the audacity to complain about the umpiring and someone spits back at him what happened to CC.

  145. Jerkface October 12th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    I am cheering for the Brewers / Cards to wipe out whatever AL team makes it. Though the cards are mostly whiny pricks too.

  146. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    I on the other hand have no difficulty with people rooting for the Tigers! Hysterical when posters want to suggest who you should be rooting for!!!!

    :lol:

    FWIW – YANKEES LOST TO DETROIT IN 2006 WHEN KENNY ROGERS CHEATED BY RUBBING PINETAR ON THE BALL.

    Some of us remember past last year.

  147. Yogi Mantle October 12th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    GB, no doubt. The players on the field bear responsibility for the way they play, but it just seems that Girardi lacks the feel for how things are going. I think it’s why he gets criticism for his following the binder too much, it is as if he just hopes for a big hit rather than looking at what certain players have been doing all night.

    I really think the Yankees need to work on adding aspects to their game. A little practice with small ball type playing, bunting when the shift is extreme for Tex as an example.

    The games unfolded pretty much like their season had. Too many batters going cold all at the same time, and while that is some to do with the pitching they are facing, it seems odd that Girardi didn’t try to change something, like a pinch hitter in a man on base situation. It might have helped add a spark. Bringing in Jones or Montero in one of those spots might not have worked, but it already wasn’t working so why not try it.

  148. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    “I am cheering for the Brewers / Cards to wipe out whatever AL team makes it. Though the cards are mostly whiny pricks too.”

    As am I, though I am really rooting for the Brewers all the way.

  149. m October 12th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    I hate the Cards, but I am NOT a Brewers fan. Maybe my heart has softened a bit for the Cards. They were knocked down a couple of notches off their perch and have the underdog label now.

    Leyland is the only “feel-good” part of the Tigers. And I definitely have lingering resentment from the Kenny Rogers’ Tigers.

    I’m an AL person, so I’ll have to see which way my heart goes in game 1.

    Best case? Yankees take it all. Revisionist history happens all the time in baseball, right?

  150. luis October 12th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Jerkface October 12th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    i am an anti-national league kind of guy….but in this particular year, i’m with you, GO NL!

  151. LockDown October 12th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    I’m ultimately rooting for the brewers and the cards as 2nd. I don’t like rangers (who are desperate for a rivalry with the yankees, but I just don’t care enough about them to get involved in that nonsense) & I’m irritated at detroit due to the clown and CC getting squeezed. :P

  152. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Yogi – plenty of questions to go around, right? Girardi’s managing has been called into question. Some posters think that if he had done bench substitutions, the Yanks would have won it. They could be right. They also questioned his use of Ayala.

    Some posters questioned the lack of pop in the Yankee bats at critical points in the game.

    Some posters noticed that CC was sharp as a tack in the first game that got called when it rained and felt that he was probably on his way to a win.

    MANY posters noticed that Gerry Davis totally took the game out of CC’s hands with his horrendous calls.

    So really, what came first, the chicken or the egg. But for the rainout and piss-poor umpiring, the Yankees would have been in the ALCS and nobody would have known that there wasn’t timely hitting in a game 5. And since to that point they had scored 9 runs in one of the games and 10 in another, the offense would have been the toast of the town.

    No one thing defined the Yankees not making it to the ALCS. No one thing whatsoever.

  153. Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Im a Yankees person, I go with a team that didnt move past us thanks to umpiring, and also a team that tries against the Red Sox when given the opportunity. That rules out the Tigers and Cardinals. The Rangers from last year, leaving Brewers.

  154. m October 12th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....-york-mets

    “Sawx collapse, chaos is simply Amazin’
    This year’s BoSox thought they were the Yankees; they ended up being the Mets”

  155. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    I also ended up with the Brewers somewhat by default, but I also happen to really like them as a team so feel good rooting for them. As soon as the Yanks were eliminated I knew I’d be rooting for the Brew Crew.

  156. jacksquat October 12th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Usually I can pick another team to root for when the Yankees are out, but not this year.

  157. luis October 12th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    m October 12th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml…..-york-mets

    “Sawx collapse, chaos is simply Amazin’
    This year’s BoSox thought they were the Yankees; they ended up being the Mets”

    ======================

    Post of the day! :D

  158. LGY October 12th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    “There’s too much drama, man,” Ortiz told Dominguez in reference to the Red Sox. “There’s too much drama. I have been thinking about a lot of things. I don’t know if I want to be part of this drama for next year.”

    But would Ortiz really consider defecting to the other side of baseball’s biggest rivalry?

    “That’s something I gotta think about,” Ortiz said. “I’ve been here on the Red Sox a long time, and I’ve seen how everything goes down between these two ballclubs.”

    Ortiz stopped well short of saying he wanted to play for the Yankees, but did express respect for the organization.

    “It’s great from what I hear,” Ortiz said of the Yankees. “It’s a good situation to be involved in. Who doesn’t want to be involved in a great situation where everything goes the right way?”

    http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/.....rk-yankees

  159. luis October 12th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    I take that back!, the post of the day was trisha’s you tube video!! :D

  160. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    jacksquat, that’s funny because I’m the opposite. As soon as the Yanks are eliminated I can only find teams to root against and end up with the least of the evils as my rooting interest. Again, this year is different because I like the Brewers.

  161. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    luis, I wish I could take credit but someone had posted it here and I saw it when they did.

    :)

    But it is the best-done, funniest video I have ever witnessed, bar none.

  162. jacksquat October 12th, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    No spot on the Yanks for Ortiz.

  163. m October 12th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Ortiz is always throwing out hints about how well the Yankees treat their players. Whether it was subliminal courtship or a continual jabs at the Sox, he has never wavered from that narrative.

  164. LGY October 12th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    @CC_Sabathia: Matching @LarryFitzgerald & giving 10¢ per NEW follower I get in Oct to his foundation 4 Breast Cancer research. RT! Starting@ 159,089

  165. blake October 12th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Unless you can play RF (which you can’t)….no thanks big papi…..

  166. jacksquat October 12th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    On the Brewers I just don’t like Fielder. And formerly (cough) owned by Selig, who I despise. Wish the Giants were in it, they are sort of my NL team since I lived in the Bay Area several years.

  167. luis October 12th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    LGY October 12th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    As much as i recognize that Big Sloppy is a good player ( roids aided ), i don’t want him anywhere near my Yankee team, for several reasons:

    1) I hate him
    2) He would block Montero
    3) I hate him

  168. Jerkface October 12th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Take Ortiz out to dinner, then decline to offer him anything.

  169. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    LGY, Ortiz better think carefully because not everyone is going to turn a blind eye to his milkshake slurping the way his own team did.

    I remember reading the Mitchell report and seeing a memo in there where Theo acknowledged that Gagne was a steroid user but said to get him anyway.

    Slime, top to bottom.

  170. Jerkface October 12th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    I remember reading the Mitchell report and seeing a memo in there where Theo acknowledged that Gagne was a steroid user but said to get him anyway.

    The Yankees signed A-rod and Giambi??? I want the Yankees to do everything possible to win. Just don’t get caught :twisted:

  171. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    “No spot on the Yanks for Ortiz.”

    None whatsoever. He takes up two bench spots and is never out on strikes and so pitches a fit every time he’s rung out.

  172. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Happily I didn’t see a memo where Cashman acknowledged Giambi and Arod used but said we should get them anyway.

  173. m October 12th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Pat Venditte, Jorge Vazquez, and Walt Ibarra are playing in the Mexican Pacific League while Josh Schmidt, Maldueno Gonzalez (Dominican Summer League kid), Jose Lopez (DSL kid), Ali Castillo, Jose Pirela, Frankie Cervelli, Juan Marcano, Jose Gil, Luis Nunez, Francisco Duran (DSL kid), Jesus Montero, Jackson Valera, and Reegie Corona will play in the Venezuelan Winter League.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....ing-57717/

  174. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    And you definitely wouldn’t see it with Giambi as I’m pretty sure Cashman was not for the Giambi signing and so the deal was worked out with Randy Levine taking the lead and Cashman out of it – unless I am misremembering.

  175. luis October 12th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
    luis, I wish I could take credit but someone had posted it here and I saw it when they did.

    But it is the best-done, funniest video I have ever witnessed, bar none.

    ==================

    I sended the video to my brother…..i can’t post his answer, but i can tell you that tonight there is a very pissed off Sux fan!!, you would be laughing all night long! :D

  176. Yogi Mantle October 12th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Trisha, I agree that it was no “one thing” issue with the Yankees, but it was something that I have felt all along with Girardi. Throughout the season, even though he has his reasons, Girardi gets too passive about some games. I felt that even during the ALDS this year with some of the moves and non-move he did.

  177. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Say the Brewers win the world series. How the heck would Fielder not want to sign back with them? A lot of people think he could go to the Orioles. Now if he does, you know this guy isn’t about winning, over the cashola.

  178. syd_cash October 12th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
    “I am cheering for the Brewers / Cards to wipe out whatever AL team makes it. Though the cards are mostly whiny pricks too.”

    As am I, though I am really rooting for the Brewers all the way.
    ______________________

    I agree with this all the way. :) I do hope the Brewers win it all that would be fun.

  179. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    luis, I am laughing out loud just thinking about it.

    :D

  180. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    Yogi, I am loathe to question moves because I am not a huge fan of Monday morning quarterbacking. But I’d be lying to say that I didn’t at least understand the questioning of certain moves (or I should say nonmoves) in the postseason.

    On the other hand, as mick said, when you have a team of stars, it’s not as easy to make moves as when you have a team of Rays or a team of Tigers.

  181. jacksquat October 12th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    No spot on the Yanks for Fielder either, or any DH/1B. Montero could be as good or nearly as good very soon, for a ton less money. And even if Montero is merely good/ok in his first year, that’s still a lot bang for the buck. Yanks do have somewhat of a budget. Money saved at DH can be used for pitching, or RF or LF, or SS in a couple years.

  182. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Here’s another pet peeve of mine. Home field advantage. I’ve never understood how in a 7-game series, playing games 3, 4, and 5 in the non-fha team’s stadium constitutes home field advantage. To me, that’s where the best advantage lies!

  183. luis October 12th, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    M,

    I am not very happy with Montero playing down here…..I just hope he doesn’t gets hurt.

    Trisha,

    Tonight i don’t think he regards me as his brother :)

  184. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Motte was on my fantasy team too, at the end.

    :(

  185. LGY October 12th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    But what if Prince looks at the Fitin Showalters September record? :???:

  186. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    Damn.

    Okay, get ‘em tomorrow. Lots of teams have been down 1-2.

  187. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    LGY – yeah, that’s the ticket!

    :lol:

  188. luis October 12th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    On the other hand, as mick said, when you have a team of stars, it’s not as easy to make moves as when you have a team of Rays or a team of Tigers.

    ========

    You have a good point here…..But still he should have made some moves regardless of results
    Still i think Girardi did a very good job in general, and nobody is perfect. But he does have a hard time identifying Key in-game situations and some times has cost the team some wins or a better chance to get a win.

  189. Yankee Trader October 12th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Jason Motte is asked, “What’s working for you guys?”
    99 mph fastball pretty impressive for him as well as the rest of the bullpen work tonight.

  190. pat October 12th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Ortiz not familiar with the concept that a team has to want you. You wanting to play for them is not enough to make it happen.

  191. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    luis, I can’t disagree that it certainly seems that way.

    pat October 12th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    :D

  192. Yankee Trader October 12th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    Trisha-

    Can you post the link to the video?

  193. luis October 12th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    pat,

    He won’t play for the Yankees, but he has also burned the bridges with the sux

  194. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    Trader, only if you come back after you see it and tell me whether you think it is one of the most awesome “put-together” videos you’ve ever seen!

    Hint to anyone who hasn’t seen it. Pay attention to the graphics on the screen whenever they’re there. That’s definitely part of the fun.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPNpJX8b-bc

  195. GreenBeret7 October 12th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    pat October 12th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
    Ortiz not familiar with the concept that a team has to want you. You wanting to play for them is not enough to make it happen.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Minimum wage as the left handed bat off of the bench to pinch hit.

  196. luis October 12th, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    Trader,

    Prepare yourself for one of the most rewarding experiences that you will have as a Yankee fan or sux hater

  197. BTX October 12th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    I would love Ortiz here

    Guy is a big time clutch performer and a great teammate.

    His OPS was 70+ points higher than Cano’s and 40 points higher than Granderson’s. He is still a big time player.

    We want guys who can help us in October right? Ortiz is a great start. We signed Damon so why not Ortiz?

  198. m October 12th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Ortiz is not a character guy imo.

    El Fako Grande. Pardon my Spanish.

  199. CompassRosy October 12th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
    Sis, when you play in the weakest divisions, your stats are automatically padded and inflated.
    ==========

    ECS ~
    I tried to reply to you earlier via my phone on my way to an appointment but, for some reason, it didn’t come through….

    It is interesting to note, when comparing the specific competition faced (not just the division in general) that Fister started more games vs. .500+ teams than Nova, same amount as AJ and only one less than Freddy. I can’t help but root for Mister Fister – there were SO many games he pitched his butt off in Seattle but, was the victim of zero “O” (as an example, of his 21 starts in Seattle, 8 were losses or ND’s where he gave up 2 runs or less). He’s also proved to be durable (averaged 6.9IP/game).

    Anyhoo ~
    We can agree on rooting for the Brew Crew :-)
    six degrees of separation from Seattle ya know (well, maybe a little less than six)
    The Milwaukee Brewers were previously the Seattle Pilots …
    http://seattlepilots.com/

  200. luis October 12th, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    BTX October 12th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    We already have to many longterm contracts.We need to get younger not older…..If you want Ortiz then why not Pujols or Fielder? they are both as good or better than Ortiz….I am not advocating for them either, we have what we need already on the team ( Montero )…i rather save the money for Kemp when he is available, he would be an upgrade to Swisher.

  201. luis October 12th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    m October 12th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Could you say in english what you wanted to say…i’ll translate it to spanish

  202. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    luis, I have watched that video so many times I’ve lost count. And I roar every time I watch it. And also, notice new things I didn’t see the times before!

    When they start in with Sweet Caroline I laugh my ass off every time. It just doesn’t get old! Don’t you think the kid who made that video did an amazing job of juxtaposing all of the things he did, with such precision timing? I LOVE Shaughnessey in it, and especially the very last screen!

    As you say, one of the most rewarding experiences that you will have as a Yankee fan or sux hater.

    :)

  203. m October 12th, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    lol, The Big Fake

  204. Yankee Trader October 12th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    Trisha-

    LMAO.
    Dan Shaughnessy wanted to bag her groceries! Has to stand in line behind Varitek and other RS players!

    How many cups chowda during the losing streak? How about how many fried chicken wings and beer consumed b yBeckett, Lester and Lackey during games!

    Bum, Bum, Bum

    Thank you Trisha. Made my day complete!

  205. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    Everyone they loave Big Paapi!

    I’d be nauseated if the Yankees ever went near that goon.

  206. m October 12th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    love/loathe same thing!

  207. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    Trader, how about Jim Rice and Tom Caron???? You really can’t understand a word that Rice says in real life!

    I’m so happy you enjoyed it.

    I love Shaghnessey’s face right at the end. I would think he has seen it already, but I think I’ll get an email address for him and send it to him, just in case!

    And I am laughing my butt off as I post this!

    Watching that really makes me deleriously happy!!!!

    :)

  208. jacksquat October 12th, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    I actually wouldn’t mind Ortiz if the Yanks needed a DH, but they don’t.

  209. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    “love/loathe same thing!”

    :lol:

    mel, I was trying to write it the way he sounds when he says it!

  210. luis October 12th, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    M,

    LMAO!!!! literally the translation would be “El Gran Falso”.

  211. Yankee Trader October 12th, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    Ortiz was close to being a Yankee in 2003. Cashman had to remind the Boss that the team already had Giambi- signed the year before.

    The team doesn’t need a DH. They have a terrific young hitter already who will energize the team and the fan base.

  212. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    jacksquat, to show you how deep my Sux loathing goes, when we were playing fantasy baseball, Beckett was still available and as you know, he did have a good run at the begining of the season. So were some other Sux players at various points in the season.

    I refused to draft any of “them” nor would I pick any of “them” up for my team at any point in the season. And I knew it could have been the difference between picking up some quick fantasy points and not – and I chose not every time.

    Just say no to the king of milkshakes!!!

    Plus you know that if he ever stepped foot in pinstripes – and they’d have to be HUGE pinstripes, thereby losing the value of the slenderizing effect – he would be on his best behavior, i.e., he would stop drinking milkshakes, and he would also stop hitting!

    SAY NO!

  213. m October 12th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    thanks.

    But since we speak Taco Bell Spanglish here, how about “El Falso Grande”

    :P

  214. Yankee Trader October 12th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    Trisha-

    The look on Jim Rice’s face when the Rays won their game. :)

    I’ll be saving it and watching it again and again!

  215. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    “The Milwaukee Brewers were previously the Seattle Pilots …”

    Sis, SWEET!!!!! Now I definitely want them to win!

    :)

    Wish I had gotten your call! My phone’s been acting up too though so it could have been on my end. We will have to plan to talk soon.

    XOX

  216. luis October 12th, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    m October 12th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
    thanks.

    But since we speak Taco Bell Spanglish here, how about “El Falso Grande”

    =================

    LMAO! will do!! :)

  217. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    Trader, and I am laughing out loud reading your post because I know just what you mean!

    How about when that little girl says “The Rays have to lose?” and you can see her actually mouthing it, and then the comment from the girl behind her?

    Seriously, I cannot stop laughing as I write this.

    I also loved when Rice “says” Mmmm Hmmm, because you know he has that southern drawl when he talks too – if you can understand a word he says anyway!

  218. DaSaint007 October 12th, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    Yanks don’t need Ortiz. He may end up w/the Orioles or Angels, or maybe even back w/Twins.

    A resurgent Tex and ARod, combined with what we’ve seen from Montero, plus Granderson and Cano, all complemeted by Jeter and Gardner would be formidable. Round that out with Swisher and Martin, and that’s one of the deepest lineups in baseball.

    But we know that already, right?.

  219. luis October 13th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Trish,

    Thanks for the link, you made my day!!…..Sweet Caroline, they should start to change that tune. :)

    Good night everyone, very good day at the blog in deed!!

  220. luis October 13th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    DaSaint007 October 12th, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    Apparently not everyone got the memo. ;)

  221. Yankee Trader October 13th, 2011 at 12:07 am

    DaSaint007-

    Agree. With hard work in the offseason by many of the regulars to work on the deficient aspects of their at bats, a looser Girardi willing to tweak the lineup as needed, and the infusion of the most exciting player developed by the Yankees since the Mick, the offense should be fine. Of course Cashman already knows this.

  222. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 13th, 2011 at 12:08 am

    luis, what a wonderful thing to be able to share with good friends.

    :)

    I just watched it again. The darned thing just doesn’t grow old!!!

    Night luis, Night all. Great company, good times.

  223. Yankee Trader October 13th, 2011 at 12:13 am

    Trisha-

    Came to the party tonight late, but glad I did. Will be e-mailing the hysterical you tube video out to Yankee friends.

    Thanks again and good night all.

  224. stuart a October 13th, 2011 at 1:31 am

    olbermann tonight on Current had a great eval of the red sux defaming theo and francona on the way out.

    check it out. olbermann is a huge baseball guy and said he is friends with both even though he is a yankee fan.

    red sux ownership are mean and petty guys big time. it never ends well in red sox land, every star on the way out except shilling is bad mouthed………

  225. m October 13th, 2011 at 1:42 am

    They trashed Schilling his last season there. There was major disagreement on whether or not he should have surgery on his arm which was hanging on by a thread.

  226. UnKnown October 13th, 2011 at 2:06 am

    Can’t wait to tune into tomorrow for another episode of everyone’s favorite soap opera “I’m Melting” The Hilarious Tale of the 2011 Loser Red Sux!

    Disappointing to be out of the playoffs that is for sure but to watch this Train Wreck in Beantown is almost becoming a very fair trade off.

  227. Gary October 13th, 2011 at 6:23 am

    • Is it just me, or does it seem like Girardi spent the past four days thinking, “How in the world did we lose that series?”
    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Morning, I guess we all are wondering the same thing not only Joe. Detriot was very beatable, they didn’t have that explosive offense and after Verlander average pitching. Texas learned well, they have taken the Tigers deep into each game and outlasted them to win all the close games. Biggest think I see if that they have gotten the hit when they needed it from the guys that should be delivering, we didn’t.

  228. Villa Nova-Ya October 13th, 2011 at 7:03 am

    Yogi Mantle -

    Thanks for the info on Cano’s rainy at-bat. We were having dinner in an adjacent room. I heard what was going on but didn’t have a direct view. I kept getting up to take a look, but all I could tell was it had to be tough for Cano (and Jeter earlier) to see. It must have been tough for Valverde to see too.

    Sometimes, I don’t understand about umpires. I mean, even in the midges game where clearly Torre should have done something, why couldn’t the umpires take matters into their own hands? Don’t they call most rain delays? I’d like to know what the protocol is? Is it how long it rains? How hard it rains? They can’t “know” how long it’s going to last. And even if the batters weren’t their first concern, what about the pitcher? When rain comes down that hard, that fast, there is no opportunity for the water to drain, so doesn’t the mound become slippery?

    In both the midges and the downpour scenarios, there was a safety issue at play. We saw clearly with Joba that those pests were affecting how he was throwing (he’s only lucky he didn’t hit a batter) – I can still see the tv shots clearly in my mind and I shudder every time. What if Valverde lost his footing – where does the ball end up?

    Oh, well, it’s done.

  229. blake October 13th, 2011 at 7:06 am

    The playoffs are largely about matchups……..Texas is a better team than Detroit but everyone knew that their RH pitching could could the Yanks some issues in a short series……basically the Scherzer game swung the series……he was excellent and dominated them on that one night……the fact that Young and Martinez are hurting also helps the Rangers

    Yanks should have won game 5 though.it was on a platter for them ……

  230. Villa Nova-Ya October 13th, 2011 at 7:15 am

    Blake -

    Game 5 is going to linger. I’m pretty much “over” the fact that the Yankees did not move on, but Game 5 still presents itself as that “coulda woulda shoulda” game.

    If the Yankees were brow-beaten by Detroit, then you just know there was no chance. It’s when it was, as you say, “on a platter,” opportunity was knocking, that it haunts.

    I know ballplayers need to move on, but since it was the season-ending game, and there’s so much time before they can play another game to “wipe it out,” and move on, I’m willing to bet there’s a lot of replays going on in the sleeping minds of more than a couple of Yankees.

  231. blake October 13th, 2011 at 7:22 am

    Villa,

    Yea it hurts……last year with Texas you could see it coming…….I thought the Yanks were going to win this year down to the last inning….

  232. Villa Nova-Ya October 13th, 2011 at 7:26 am

    Anyway, yay for the Cardinals.

    They’re the closest I have to a rooting interest for any of the teams. And it’s not a strong one at that.

    Last year at least I was able to really get behind the Giants.

  233. GreenBeret7 October 13th, 2011 at 7:31 am

    just for Erin, because she can’t get enough of salacious stories and gossip.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesi.....ye0XFwoZZK

  234. Yankee Trader October 13th, 2011 at 7:45 am

    Good morning gentlemen! :)

    Trisha posted this hilarious you tube video about the RS collapse. If you haven’t seen it, take the time to watch it.

    //www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPNpJX8b-bc

  235. Yankee Trader October 13th, 2011 at 7:47 am

    Trying again:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPNpJX8b-bc

  236. blake October 13th, 2011 at 7:47 am

    Where is MTU? We may need a search party.

  237. RadioKev October 13th, 2011 at 7:52 am

    I think I would boo every single Ortiz at bat if he was a Yankee. He’s a scumbag with a huge ego, he doesn’t hold himself accountable for anything, and he showed up his manager.

    I’d honestly bet the Rays make a run at him.

  238. blake October 13th, 2011 at 7:54 am

    I could see Ortiz to the Rays for sure.

  239. Yankee Trader October 13th, 2011 at 7:55 am

    GB

    NY Post title: Blonde good ‘fit’ for A-Rod.

    Doesn’t that fit the meaning of double entendre! :)

  240. upstate kate October 13th, 2011 at 7:56 am

    good morning all
    I don’t really care who wins, altho I am sorta rooting for the Brewers.

    For all the 2nd guessing Girardi has been subjected to, it might be worth mentioning that Washington has stuck w/ Michael Young w/ his pitiful post season .118 BA, and last night it paid off as he got a timely RBI.

  241. Villa Nova-Ya October 13th, 2011 at 7:57 am

    I think it’s a well-put together video, but hilarious? No.

    Never like seeing the Yankees lose.

  242. upstate kate October 13th, 2011 at 8:01 am

    there is no place for Ortiz…one more rat fleeing the sinking ship

  243. Yankee Trader October 13th, 2011 at 8:02 am

    David Ortiz

    36 next month
    .372 slugging percentage in September
    8 runs in 111 at-bats, 1 homer, for the month.

    No we don’t need another aging “slugger”

  244. Gary October 13th, 2011 at 8:07 am

    upstate kate October 13th, 2011 at 8:01 am
    there is no place for Ortiz…one more rat fleeing the sinking ship

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    David Ortiz will never be a Yankee

  245. GreenBeret7 October 13th, 2011 at 8:08 am

    Yankee Trader October 13th, 2011 at 7:45 am
    Good morning gentlemen!

    Trisha posted this hilarious you tube video about the RS collapse. If you haven’t seen it, take the time to watch it.

    //www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPNpJX8b-bc

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Looks like Shaughnessy spent too much time under a sun lamp.

    The best was the caption: “I’d punch a baby in the nose to bag her groceries.”

  246. blake October 13th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Hopefully Boston caves and gives Papi a 3 year deal.

  247. Yankee Trader October 13th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Villa- sorry you didn’t find some of the inserted captions about the Red Sox demise funny.

    The Yankees offense will be fine.
    The players need to spend their off season working hard on their deficiences.
    Girardi needs to loosen up and tweak the lineup when needed.
    Montero will add excitement and energize the team as well as the fans.

  248. GreenBeret7 October 13th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Yankee Trader October 13th, 2011 at 7:55 am
    GB

    NY Post title: Blonde good ‘fit’ for A-Rod.

    Doesn’t that fit the meaning of double entendre!

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    yeah, as bad as the Post is, the headlines are the best, just for laughs.

  249. Yankee Trader October 13th, 2011 at 8:14 am

    Looks like Shaughnessy spent too much time under a sun lamp.

    The best was the caption: “I’d punch a baby in the nose to bag her groceries.”
    —————————————–
    GB-
    I think Shaughnessy will have to stand in line behind Varitek and other RS players!

  250. pat October 13th, 2011 at 8:16 am

    GB

    A little salacious now and then makes the inane “GM-ing” here more bearable some days. :wink:

  251. Villa Nova-Ya October 13th, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Yankee trader -

    I didn’t see the captions, I guess. Because I didn’t see the one GB7 just posted about bagging groceries.

  252. Yankee Trader October 13th, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Villa-

    I should have warned you to pay close attention to the captions. When you have time try watching it again. Also the dialogue and captions between Tom Caron and Jim Rice are very funny.

    My bad!

  253. 86w183 October 13th, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Hard to imagine the Yanks having interest in anyone over 35 this off-season.

    Other than starting pitching, DH and possibly RF it’s not likely there will be many changes. Dickerson/Laird replacing Chavez/Jones gets them a lot younger. Montero for Posada is another major change in the overall age of this club.

    The Yanks can use some top minor league talent and an excess of capable bullpen arms to put together a package for a solid starter. No way they will hold on to Robertson and Soriano and Chamberlain and Hughes and Noesi and Ayala and Wade and Kontos.

    I assume Hughes or Noesi will be in rotation… could it be both?

  254. upstate kate October 13th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    CC/Nova/AJ/Hughes/Noesi? Could be, but I expect the Yankees to look for a veteran pitcher.

    It will be interesting to see who remains in the BP… a lot of good choices.

  255. Villa Nova-Ya October 13th, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Yankee Trader -

    Rewatched. The captions definitely did not show up first time around.

    Still, maybe I’m humor challenged. ;)

  256. Erin October 13th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    RadioKev October 13th, 2011 at 7:52 am
    I think I would boo every single Ortiz at bat if he was a Yankee.

    ***************

    I’m not a boo-er (sorry Shame Spencer), but I think I would have to join you in that. What an idiot. He’s been hinting he wants to be a Yankee for the past 2 or 3 years. Just…..no. LOL

  257. upstate kate October 13th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    yeah, remember Manny wanted to come to the Yankees as well. I guess that shows the Yankees really are the red sox’s daddy :)

  258. Yankee Trader October 13th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Still, maybe I’m humor challenged.
    ——————————-
    Villa-

    I doubt that! When the Yankees lose in the postseason it can become the equivalent of “post partum depression.” Don’t worry it’ll go away without the need for drugs or shock therapy! :)

  259. Villa Nova-Ya October 13th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    YT -

    The stuff between Caron & Rice were okay (except for the bagging groceries comment – I never find that kind of stuff funny). The hobbit jokes are old, but I guess since this was made by a Red Sox Fan (presumably?) it puts a different spin on it.

    I was just really impressed with the choice of song (When September Ends) and then seguing into Sweet Caroline. Like I said – I thought it was a really good video, I just didn’t find it “hysterical.” It has to be me, since the overwhelming take on it seems to be in the “hysterical” column. :)

  260. Villa Nova-Ya October 13th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    YT -

    That has to be it – Post-post-season depression. Anyone got a xanax????

  261. upstate kate October 13th, 2011 at 8:37 am

    just stick around and look at some of the crazy trade proposals, that will get you laughing

  262. Villa Nova-Ya October 13th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Just say no to David Ortiz.

    That would be a nightmare.

    And it would make absolutely no sense at all.

  263. LGY October 13th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Ortiz would be great if they commit to Montero at catcher.

  264. blake October 13th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    I can’t stand Ortiz….that commercial where he goes around NYC trying to get everyone to give him a hug makes me sick……phony.

  265. Villa Nova-Ya October 13th, 2011 at 8:40 am

    upstate kate -

    When does Bret show up??? LOL

  266. blake October 13th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    “Ortiz would be great if they commit to Montero at catcher.”

    He can’t catch…..haven’t you been watching how bad Napoli is hurting the Rangers.

  267. GreenBeret7 October 13th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    upstate kate October 13th, 2011 at 8:37 am
    just stick around and look at some of the crazy trade proposals, that will get you laughing

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Bret and Chip make those trade proposals with the sincerest of intentions.

    I know. I know. That’s the scary part. They’re sincere.

  268. LGY October 13th, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Subtract Posada and Martin
    Add Montero and Ortiz

    =

    Great success!!

  269. upstate kate October 13th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    no LGY

  270. pat October 13th, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Boston Herald says it’s much simpler than Trisha says it is. Get rid of Beckett. Problem solved.

    http://bostonherald.com/sports.....position=0

  271. upstate kate October 13th, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Martin isn’t going anywhere. Cash, Girardi and the pitching staff love him.
    It sounds like Montero will be the DH/BUC, which should be a nice transition for him.

  272. Yankee Trader October 13th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    CJ Wilson against Verlander.

    2011 postseason stats for Wilson:

    IP-9.2
    H-13
    Earned Runs-8
    HR-3
    BB-6
    SO-12
    WHIP-1.97
    BAA-.317
    ERA 7.45

    If he performs poorly again tonight, and in the WS, do you still see him as a #2 on the Yankees? Would you still want him?

  273. Erin October 13th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    LGY October 13th, 2011 at 8:38 am
    Ortiz would be great if they commit to Montero at catcher.

    *********************

    NO!!!

  274. Erin October 13th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    YankeesInk Breaking: New York Yankees fans to send Boston Red Sox group hug for putting the fun back in October baseball. #StinkandStench

  275. upstate kate October 13th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    I don’t think Chip is really sincere when he proposes those trades. I think he is bored during the off season and likes to stir things up.

  276. LGY October 13th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    The Baseball Gods don’t like Canadians.

  277. GoldGlove9486 October 13th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Hey, if they’re considering Ortiz, they may as well spend the serious money and get Prince Fielder. If we get Ortiz, I’d hope Noesi punches him out in Spring Training, and then we cut him.

  278. Erin October 13th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    New Post: Would you make this trade?

    :arrow:

  279. longtimefan October 13th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Is it just me, or does it seem like Girardi spent the past four days thinking, “How in the world did we lose that series?”

    If he did he should also be asking himself why he left Arod in the 4 hole and gave Montero only two bats in the series

  280. hardwired7 October 14th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

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