Going, going, gone?
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 12, 2011 
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Yesterday, the Yankees made their first three 40-man roster cuts, losing Aaron Laffey to a waiver claim and letting Raul Valdes and Scott Proctor choose free agency before being outrighted.
Those surely won’t be the only casualties.
As it stands, the 40-man roster is at 37 players, but that’s not counting the seven guys on the 60-day disabled list. There’s no hiding someone on the 60-day in the offseason, which means the Yankees have to trim from 44. There are plenty of players who could go.
On the 60-day disabled list
Joba Chamberlain, Pedro Feliciano, Damaso Marte, Sergio Mitre, Reegie Corona, Colin Curtis, Justin Maxwell
Of these seven, Chamberlain is the only one who absolutely must stay. Marte is headed for free agency, so he’s an easy cut. Same for Mitre, who’s already been through his three arbitration years and doesn’t have an obvious role to play next season. Feliciano probably stays just in case he’s able to pitch next year. The Yankees didn’t dump Marte when he was hurt, hard to imagine they’ll dump Feliciano.
Corona and Curtis each missed all of 2010 with injuries, so they could probably slip through waivers (Corona easier than Curtis). If their claimed, the Yankees have similar players in the system. Maxwell is a more difficult call because he’s coming off a good Triple-A season that was cut short. The Yankees could remove him if they need the roster space, but there’s some risk of a claim.
Heading for free agency
Bartolo Colon, Freddy Garcia, Eric Chavez, Andruw Jones, Jorge Posada
The Yankees are likely to need a veteran corner infielder and a right-handed outfielder, so Chavez and Jones aren’t completely out of the question for 2012. There’s at least one report that Chavez is leaning toward retirement, but Jones will surely want to play again, and he did his job well this season. Everyone knows the Posada situation.
Colon and Garcia could provide rotation depth, but at what cost? Garcia’s season almost certainly earned him a guaranteed contract somewhere, and if the Yankees are aggressive in finding potential starters, Garcia might find a better opportunity elsewhere. Colon would be a kind of wild card. It’s hard to get the lightning back in the bottle.
Could go if necessary
Luis Ayala, Kevin Whelan, Greg Golson, Melky Mesa
Ayala pitched well enough to stay, but the Yankees might not want to guarantee him a roster spot, especially if they get into a roster crunch. I guess Cory Wade could also fit in this group, but he was good enough — and trusted in big enough situations — to suggest the Yankees like what they’ve seen. To me, bringing Wade back is an easy call, especially at the cost. It also seems like the Yankees plan to bring back Russell Martin, so I didn’t list him. Same for Nick Swisher and his 2012 club option.
Guys like Whelan, Golson and Mesa haven’t necessarily done anything to lose their spots, but Golson should be out of options next year, Whelan wasn’t given a September call-up and Mesa is coming off a bad year in Double-A. The Yankees relative lack of upper-level outfielders might keep Mesa’s spot safe — Whelan’s numbers and Golson’s familiarity might do the same — but these spots could be opened without creating significant problems for the Yankees.
Associated Press photo
We need to have at least one Melky in the organization at all times, so Melky Mesa must stay until we can get a new Melky in the pipeline.
i’d like to see jones stay. he was a nice power threat off of the bench and seemed to get along with the guys
People must have a reason to wear those “Got Melk?” t-shirts.
Chad,
Nice tribute to the great Mel Allen.
38 Luis Ayala R-R 6’2″ 190 Jan 12, 1978
68 Dellin Betances R-R 6’8″ 260 Mar 23, 1988
66 Andrew Brackman R-R 6’10″ 230 Dec 4, 1985
34 A.J. Burnett R-R 6’4″ 230 Jan 3, 1977
62 Joba Chamberlain Disabled List 60-day DL ** R-R 6’2″ 240 Sep 23, 1985
40 Bartolo Colon R-R 5’11″ 265 May 24, 1973
31 Pedro Feliciano Disabled List 60-day DL ** L-L 5’10″ 190 Aug 25, 1976
36 Freddy Garcia R-R 6’4″ 250 Oct 6, 1976
65 Phil Hughes R-R 6’5″ 240 Jun 24, 1986
70 George Kontos R-R 6’3″ 215 Jun 12, 1985
48 Boone Logan R-L 6’5″ 225 Aug 13, 1984
43 Damaso Marte Disabled List 60-day DL ** L-L 6’2″ 215 Feb 14, 1975
45 Sergio Mitre Disabled List 60-day DL ** R-R 6’3″ 225 Feb 16, 1981
64 Hector Noesi R-R 6’3″ 200 Jan 26, 1987
47 Ivan Nova R-R 6’4″ 225 Jan 12, 1987
42 Mariano Rivera R-R 6’2″ 185 Nov 29, 1969
30 David Robertson R-R 5’11″ 195 Apr 9, 1985
52 CC Sabathia L-L 6’7″ 290 Jul 21, 1980
29 Rafael Soriano R-R 6’1″ 230 Dec 19, 1979
53 Cory Wade R-R 6’2″ 190 May 28, 1983
– Kevin Whelan R-R 6’0″ 200 Jan 8, 1984
# Catchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
17 Francisco Cervelli R-R 6’1″ 210 Mar 6, 1986
55 Russell Martin R-R 5’10″ 230 Feb 15, 1983
63 Jesus Montero R-R 6’3″ 235 Nov 28, 1989
71 Austin Romine R-R 6’0″ 220 Nov 22, 1988
# Infielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
24 Robinson Cano L-R 6’0″ 205 Oct 22, 1982
12 Eric Chavez L-R 6’1″ 210 Dec 7, 1977
76 Reegie Corona Disabled List 60-day DL ** S-R 5’11″ 185 Nov 7, 1986
2 Derek Jeter R-R 6’3″ 195 Jun 26, 1974
60 Brandon Laird R-R 6’1″ 215 Sep 11, 1987
26 Eduardo Nunez R-R 6’0″ 155 Jun 15, 1987
19 Ramiro Pena S-R 5’11″ 175 Jul 18, 1985
13 Alex Rodriguez R-R 6’3″ 230 Jul 27, 1975
25 Mark Teixeira S-R 6’3″ 220 Apr 11, 1980
# Outfielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
61 Colin Curtis Disabled List 60-day DL ** L-L 6’1″ 200 Feb 1, 1985
27 Chris Dickerson L-L 6’3″ 230 Apr 10, 1982
11 Brett Gardner L-L 5’10″ 185 Aug 24, 1983
67 Greg Golson R-R 6’0″ 190 Sep 17, 1985
14 Curtis Granderson L-R 6’1″ 185 Mar 16, 1981
18 Andruw Jones R-R 6’1″ 230 Apr 23, 1977
63 Justin Maxwell Disabled List 60-day DL ** R-R 6’5″ 235 Nov 6, 1983
77 Melky Mesa R-R 6’1″ 190 Jan 31, 1987
33 Nick Swisher S-L 5’11″ 210 Nov 25, 1980
# Designated Hitter B/T Ht Wt DOB
20 Jorge Posada
Clock is ticking on the resident Melkman
# mick October 12th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
i know everybody hates us. But as a fanbase, the Jays’ is pretty unimpressive.
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as are the marlins…
Weird, I can already hear the Bleacher Creatures’ “Mason Williams” roll call shout out in my head.
Posada will retire/leave.
Exercise Marte’s buyout.
Let Ayala go.
Golson will probably get a gig someplace if he’s out of options. He’s got a heck of an arm in RF.
I’m not an expert on the Rule 5 thing, but I imagine some players will need to be protected. But that happens soon anyway.
CC can opt out 3 days after the conclusion of the WS. Too bad he won’t be pledging his love for New York from the parade.
# mick October 12th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
If Manny was paying attention, he’d think this was all pretty hilarious. He’d say, “What’s all this fuss about?”
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If he is paying attention, he should throw his hat in as the Mgr.
Let them do what they want in the clubhouse.
Get Rickey Henderson to coach the cardplayers.
Maxwell when he returns should be able to give you anything Golson could, but with a bit more firepower in his bat. Given he was off to a very good start you stick with him there as he has always had potential. Whelan is a waste, who cares. Ayala pitched poorly at the end, but definitely was a nice middle reliever, mopup guy, much better from a consistent standpoint than Mitre.
# mick October 12th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
The 6 man was a mistake but I’m sure Girardi had input and he is loyal and fair seemingly above all.
This could be where the lack of the killer instinct Klapisch was talking about emanates.
It was a mistake as it impacted CC.
hardwired7 October 12th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
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Weird, I can already hear the Bleacher Creatures’ “Mason Williams” roll call shout out in my head.
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Your clairaudience speaking
And The Experience needs to find a new venue.
Who will be leading roll call w/ Bald Vinny retiring?
Will it be someone from in house? A prospect? A free agent?
Perhaps our very own J Alfred or Yankeefem?
I vote for a woman creature, kate. Lets go fem!
Nice to see the players list with the DOB included. Makes you realize how young Mr Hughes was when he came up and how young he remains compared to other guys in the organization playing in their first or second season (or still in the minors, like Brackman, who is older than Hughes)l
Anyone know the status of Tim Norton ?
Well, you should have an issue with the Yankees being hated, when the Yankees cant get any fair and good-faith deals from other general managers because we are hated.
Their is a reason Maxwell is still in the minors, and that is, he strikes out way too much. Don’t expect a 27 year old to make dramatic improvements.
Better than Golson? Perhaps, but not good enough, IMO.
We need to have at least one Melky in the organization at all times, so Melky Mesa must stay until we can get a new Melky in the pipeline.
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OK so the Yanks are supposed to hang onto some AA castoff so you can say your t-shirt is still relevant?
And on the other hand Muammar approves of your message.
So Im guessing Mason is at Charleston next year…..should start to see what he really is…..if he performs in the Sally he’ll start to climb those lists. Would be cool to see him get to Tampa in the 2nd half.
I wonder what Cashman’s phone calls to other GMs is like….
Cashman: “Hey, whats up man?”
Royals GM: “Hey Brian, what former Yankee are you interested in today, Melky Cabrera?”
Cashman: “How’d you guess? Am I that predictable?”
Royals GM: “No, youre not predictable Brian” (chuckles to self)
Only until the Chunichi Dragons post Melky Matsumara.
I don’t see Cashman falling all over himself to re-acquire Melky.
I see that reunion about as likely as getting Vazquez again.
“If their claimed”? Chad, where did you go to school? Didn’t you learn any grammar?
I see that reunion about as likely as getting Vazquez again.
You mean best pitcher of the second half 2011 Vazquez?
Shh… not so loud.
Still have my “Got Melk? Tee. My favorite is Munson 15 with “The Captain” on the front. Don’t wear it too often anymore because of the age and I’m afraid it will tear.
I can’t find a replacement like it.
My newest is Granderson 14. I like to wear them when I’m doing telephone service at customer sites in western Massachusetts. Just to P.O. Sox fans.
Rain delay= fluff pieces on non-Yankees? Sad.
The Red Sox pyramid topples over.
Hope this isn’t the bottom.
GF, Cashman has a history of reacquiring previous members of the Yankees, my made up conversation was designed to be humorous
You’ll know they hit the bottom when they start talking about Francona knowing about the rampant steroid use in Boston leading to their 2004 WS ring.
Never say never to a Melky II.
GF – Melky had 199 hits this year, any way you shake it that’s pretty good. If for some reason Swisher isn’t brought back, I would expect Melky to be on the list of players to replace him.
Villa Nova-Ya October 12th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Lockdown -
I just wanted to respond to your 10:34 am post. I did misunderstand your original point.
It’s certainly possible for players to get resentful or bothered if they sensed their manager wasn’t able to make a decision or take a stand.
I felt the 6-man rotation was an organizational decision, but I guess all anyone can do is hope that if there are negative feelings that they are fleeting or at least dealt with.
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I was just throwing out ideas and really have no idea what anyone is thinking. I’ll leave that to “P”.
But luckily they are not the red sox. I too hope that “IF” anyone has negative feelings toward Girardi then it’s just a passing thing. You’re never going to have people who 100% agree with each other, but they definitely work well together as a team.
One of the things I loved from this season, is how all the guys really seemed to like & support their team mates. No matter how bad things got for various players throughout different parts of the season, they stood together, had faith in each other & said the right things.
Melky had a great year. You wonder if things have finally clicked for him.
Is he a free agent and what would he cost a team?
WEEI discussing Big Sloppi coming out & talking about Aceves bing the starter & also his anger at Tino during a Tino press conference. Players are getting raked by boston fans & media.
# Irreverent Discourse October 12th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
GF – Melky had 199 hits this year, any way you shake it that’s pretty good. If for some reason Swisher isn’t brought back, I would expect Melky to be on the list of players to replace him.
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That is a good season. But I would expect a significant dive in his production next season. I just don’t see him doing it two years in a row.
Truth be told, I never was a fan of Melky just like some people just aren’t fans of Gardner.
Melky would be nice.
My favorite Melky moment was the time he scooted home after he caught Varitek out of position up the baseline with no one covering home making Varitek look like a complete stooge.
No manager is universally loved in the clubhouse.
Girardi has had to overcome some obstacles in his short tenure. Replacing a Yankee icon. Managing mega stars. Managing players he played with.
And yet he’s done it. There will always be sour grapes. People with agendas. And people who will spin things.
I’m not saying he’s perfect. I’m not saying Cash is perfect. As usual, I only wish people would offer solutions instead of complaints. Realistic solutions, not fantasy.
lol, Big Papi offered no comment on all the rumors swirling around Boston now. He doesn’t want the stink from the big pile of p00 on him.
I think you need spots for 3 of those guys on the 60 day: Joba, Feliciano and Curtis. Marte will be bought out. Mitre will be a free agent. Maxwell is out of options as are Golson and Dickerson. I can’t imagine that they’d keep all three on the 40 man. Maxwell or Golson would likely be DFA’ed. I don’t think Corona is important to keep unless they like him more than Ramiro Pena.
I think Phelps, Adams and possibly DJ Mitchell also need spots to be protected from the Rule V draft though so they need three more spots.
Posada is not coming back and he doesn’t need to be replaced like Jones or Chavez might so that’s one spot. The free agents could temporarily provide spots but they will need spots for their replacements assuming they are from outside the organization (which is likely). So I’d guess 2 of Ayala, Whelan, Mesa and Golson/Maxwell (whichever is still remaining) would eventually lose their spots. I guess you could throw Feliciano in that mix too but I’m guessing that he’ll be kept like Marte was. In addition to the small possibility that he could contribute, there’s probably insurance reasons to keep him around and they’d get his spot again once the season starts and he goes back on the 60 day. There’s also the possibility that they choose not to protect DJ Mitchell.
So Tino Martinez’ son said that CC doesn’t like Girardi?
Isn’t Mitchell one of the AAA starters? I anticipate all the starters being kept for depth with an uncertain rotation for 2012.
1st pitch in an hour? ARGH. P&C can’t get here soon enough.
The fun part of the this turmoil in Boston comes when the new management is in place and they start dismantling the greatest team of all time.
Big Sloppi could be the first.
Spitting on his hands somewhere else 2012.
Lou Merloni has already said that Red Sox management brought in pros to teach Red Sox players how to inject themselves. Lou came out w. that a few years ago, and it got swept under the rug
Explains why Papi when the shake route, no one wanted to inject anything into the big rump.
“The Red Sox pyramid topples over…”
Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies…
No Ayala, Mitre, Marte, and Feliciano (he had shoulder surgery, just ditch him)
Put Corona and Curtis on waivers.
Re-sign Garcia. Look into Jones if he doesnt get a full time spot anywhere else. Let Posada retire unless you’re sitting at 24 men and theres no trades opens or free agents, then bring him back for a hurrah.
Keep Whelan on the 40 man and use him in Ayala’s spot. Mesa has to stay on for 1 more year atleast to see where he is at, he has lots of tools. Golson will be the 4th OFer or cut.
I would gladly welcome Melky back if only because it gives me a good reason to post that awkward video of him with the peanuts.
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....hJnlGcQslN
Lou Merloni article.
I love that the Boston media/ESPN media didnt try to confirm this and drag the Red Sox org. through the mud
The questions for the Hobbit were mostly about the attitudes of the guys. He even said something like “you’ve asked me the same questions in 90 different ways”.
GF – I miss his cannon in RF
Although Yankee fans are obviously giddy over what’s happening in Boston, we need to remind ourselves that the Yanks overcame somewhat similar clubhouse “turmoil” rather quickly after Girardi replaced Torre and finished the 2008 season without a postseason appearance.
Just saying.
Let’s hope they are unable to turn it around like the Yanks did.
Melky does have a strong arm but it wasn’t always accurate.
In fact, I remember Melky liked to show his arm off and made several ill-advised throws as a result. That annoyed the hell out of me.
The 08 yankees didnt lose their GM and have all their players snaked to the press. This is like the 09 Yankees having a collapse and everyone dying.
That story is false…..Senator Mitchell’s report was clear that no Red Sox took could have ever taken steroids….
But we won it the next year. We had the Four Core, and Girardi was able to manage his ex-teammates.
We also had the addition of CC/AJ/Tex.
Can’t see the Sox adding that kind of firepower after their big spending spree in 2011.
The biggest difference between the Yankees and the Red Sox is the level of professionalism.
DRob on a class trip
DRob30David Robertson
At the museum of natural history waiting for something to come alive… http://lockerz.com/s/146575425
This is the New York equivalent of what’s happening in Boston:
A-rod calling out Tex for not staying healthy.
Tex complaining about getaway games on ESPN.
Granderson hating everyone from his little corner.
Posada’s wife calling out Girardi on Twitter.
CC, AJ, Hughes looking like ZZ Top.
Girardi mainlining sugar.
Hard to picture any of that happening, let alone all of it.
Francona is enormously popular just like Torre was. The reaction towards the Sox and sympathy towards Francona is not surprising.
Look at how the media portrayed us for what happened to Torre. His book also should have received much more criticism than it did from the media.
This Boston news surely is noticed by players who might consider them as a free agent. It sounds like an unhappy place to play baseball. Even ESPN is letting the organization have it.
The implication that Francona may have been abusing pain medication is beyond the pale.
Even ESPN is letting the organization have it.
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Nothing like having the courage of your convictions.
It would be fitting if they signed Reyes. Considering he was on the other highly publicized dysfunctional team/clubhouse all those years. The 07-09 Mets.
That team was a disaster though. Wagner/Lo Duca were loudmouths. There was a divide between the Latin players and everyone else. Delgado was a bad influence. They stopped playing hard for Willy. Wright was killed for not being a leader. Benerzard was undermining the manager and coaches. Ricky Henderson was playing cards with guys in the clubhouse instead of preparing, Reyes and other guys were showing up opponents, etc.
Ah. What a fun time that was to watch that.
# Jerkface October 12th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
The 08 yankees didnt lose their GM and have all their players snaked to the press. This is like the 09 Yankees having a collapse and everyone dying.
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No, it’s not an exact parallel by any means, but there was a lot more drama surrounding the team in those couple of years (the end of 2007 to the beginning of 2009) than we were used to seeing.
That was all before the big trio signed.
The pain medication thing, the marital woes, and his kids serving in a war are all below the belt!
LOL blake. Love it! Senator Mitchell, the former Vice President of Red Sox operations!! Seen at Fenway Park during the Mitchell investigation with his grandkids getting autographs from Manny and Papi!
Wow, this stuff with the Sox……….I just heard about it on Kay’s show. I knew about the drinking in the clubhouse, but other starters hanging out eating chicken and playing videogames when they’are not starting? This jibes with reports that the Sox SP don’t interact with the other players…..holy dysfunction.
Where was Pedroia in all this? Jeter’s received criticism for not being a more active leader – why not Pedroia (who IS a good guy).
Some Sox fan e-mailed Kay and suggested that if the Cubs want to s/w Theo, they ought to take on Lackey’s contract. That’s actually a great idea.
Kudos to Edges for calling the Sox out on their nonsense.
there is probably only so much one player can do Betsy, even w/ elfin magic
“former Vice President of Red Sox operations!! Seen at Fenway Park during the Mitchell investigation with his grandkids getting autographs”
What a joke that was……how many tax dollars did that witch hunt cost I wonder
Pedroria doesn’t have 5 rings to flash at players like Jeter does……that kind of cache doesn’t just happen because you’re gritty and dive around all game.
I wish the Sox would sign Omar Minya and Jose Reyes
Can the media now stop with the fiction that the Sox are above it all?
Blake, I’m not comparing them in that sense, but Pedroia is supposed to be a leader on that team – some player had to step up and no one did. That speaks volumes
Just remember that the Sox have plenty of available cash to fix their problems, plus tradeable players. I wish we could write them of for 2012, but I think that’s premature.
Ortiz is slime – wasn’t it Francona that had his back the previous year? The players jobs are to play – NOT to manage or to GM. I guess he got too big for his britches
That’s a great idea, if you’re a lunatic. The Cubs cant take Lackey’s contract, it would be another disastrous move for a disastrous organization. They want to move forwards, not backwards
Ortiz was too big for his britches when he suited up for the Red Sox in 2003, coming off a name change from David Arias to David Ortiz, and started injecting
Kate, I’m not saying Pedroia had to be a miracle worker, but leadership happens in bad times, not just good times. It’s easy to be a leader when things are going well.
How sweet it is…
The greatest team ever assembled…failed to make the playoffs.
Theo the boy wonder…gone.
Tito, the greatest Sox manager of all time,…gone.
Management throwing players and the manager under the bus in an article on the front page (not the front page of the Sports-the front page of the entire paper) of the Boston Globe…priceless.
I wonder when ESPN will show the special…The Fenway Park Zoo?
Betsy,
I agree…..it does speak volumes to the amount of clout that Pedroria likely has in that clubhouse. He should be the leader and he likely does lead by example but he has a different personality than Jete does…..
The Edes article was spot on but who does he think was writing these articles smearing all these people on the way out of the organization.
The media, including Edes himself, have been willing participants in this nonsense for years. They are just upset now because Tito is a “nice” guy.
Edes didn’t shed any tears when he was busy taking shots at Manny. The level of hypocrisy is nauseating.
To be fair, no one stopped Sheffield when he was shooting his mouth off here either. In fact, he has said that Jeter was his best friend on the team, so he had support from the right guy.
None of the core 4 were anywhere to be found when A-Rod was going through his struggles in 06
If the players want to take over, they do for the most part. You can control and try to influence a young player, not so much veterans. They all march to their own drum.
Youk tried to confront Manny when he was dogging it in 08 and it ended up in an almost-brawl. No Cubs player has been able to control Zombrano.
Veteran-Veteran tussles are rare and usually never end well. It is up to management/the manager to take care of them by suspending/fining players. Leadership in general is overrated. Grown men making $15 million a year are not going to respond to someone else. You just have to hope their character is good enough to where you don’t have the need to ever confront them because they know how to act.
LGY,
That is a good point……
Michael Silverman
Looks as if Francona’s not first manager of Beckett to have to deal with in-game drinking http://bit.ly/ptqkuK #RedSox #Marlins #burp
Betsy
I am just teasing
Blake, Jeter is like a Mattingly – he leads by example. I thought he erred in not supporting Alex publicly…………I’m not sure what kind of personality Pedroia has, but someone should have said something – it sounds like the clubhouse was overrun by juveniles.
Keep the Sox slime coming I’ll let them know when I’ve had enough.
Sheff was mouthy & had a persecution complex, but in fairness, he always played hard & he played hurt.
Watch the Sox demand Starlin Castro for Theo.
Manny took plenty of shots by himself, so it’s only fitting that the media would take shots at him. I can’t feel bad for Manny…….no way
Betsy October 12th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Ortiz is slime – wasn’t it Francona that had his back the previous year? The players jobs are to play – NOT to manage or to GM. I guess he got too big for his britches
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His head alone is too big them.
Who did Manny take shots at?
Shots- injections – steroids……….bad joke I guess, lol
TBrownYahooTim Brown
Hasn’t rained in Detroit for a while. Everyone here is staring at field, wondering why there’s no baseball. Sort of like in Boston.
Oh. LOL.
Beckett did have the best year of his career though, beer drinking or not. I also highly doubt this dissension started this September
In all honest, them winning 1 more game sometime in September likely prevents any of this from being leaked or anyone from losing their job.
I agree with that other guy – what is a player supposed to do about another guy acting insubordinate or being a part of a “clique”? Beckett makes more money than Pedroia, is a more accomplished player, and is older.
Ortiz, I guess could have done something. I guess this was going on for a while, so some of these guys didn’t attribute their collapse to drinking beer in the clubhouse or whatever, but beause they didn’t execute between the white lines. Which is true – the Sox blew games in unbelievable ways down the stretch. They had like 7-8 of those games won. Either in the late innings or big leads or what not.
Good point, 1 extra game and none of this comes out.
The question is why did Becket, Lackey, and Lester ALL fail miserably in September.
I doubt the beer was the reason.
Maybe a symptom?
I haven’t spent any time until today on the Sox, but I do find it comical that the very same thing that the Yankees have been criticized for is happening to them – and worse because while our clubhouse wasn’t exactly a happy haven, at least you didn’t have what seems like good old country boys living the high life while their season collapsed under them.
When’s 38 donuts going weigh in.
No pun intended.
Let’s get that boy on truth serum.
Lackey just sucks………there’s the answer. Beckett had a great year, ,a brilliant year – until he didnt’. Lester was up and down this year…….. they need Buchholz to save their bacon, lol
Anybody know what are the TV ratings for the FOX ALCS ?
I hope they are horrendous .
I thought Sheffield was on his best behavior of his career while with the Yankees. It wasn’t until the end of his tenure there that he started to be “difficult.” I suspect it’s because he knew something good was coming to an end, and things weren’t going his way. But up until then, he was, at least on the surface, a “good boy.”
I enjoyed Sheffield immensely while he was with the Yankees.
And I don’t recall ANYTHING like what is surfacing with the Red Sox ever going on with the Yankees. Some discord? A little. But nothing like this.
sheffield was gone the second he accused Torre of racism and then said that Jeter wasn’t “All the way black”.
I seem to recall Lofton playing the race card as well.
All Shef’s issues were with Torre not teammates or the organization.
GreenBeret7
Yep.
Until then, he’d been relatively under control.
Joel Sherman
#Angels asked/got granted permission from #Yankees to interview VP Amateur Scouting Damon Oppenheimer for GM job. He would be good choice
Odd – they didn’t grant permission to AZ to talk to Oppenheimer if I recall correctly
Indeed, Edes’ article, while accurate, does smack of hypocrisy. He and all the other reporters covering the Sox have willingly spread the smears leaked by the organization for years. The Globe, in particular, is known to be Lucchino’s mouthpiece.
pat,
I doubt that NYYs will put any roadblocks up by trying to extract money or player talent from the Angels. As best I remember, they never have before. Plenty of teams have, though. That really makes Boston and John Henry look all that much worse. He wants money instead of talent.
It’s be nice to have some respected Yankees, like Opp. in other GM offices, like Towers in Arizona.
It might give us a better shot at a fair deal with fair demands.
If this game gets rained out then they have to throw Verlander in Game 4 right……
Howard had surgery. It was a complete achilles tear. 6 months minimum.
Tough for Howard.
Betsy,
They shouldn’t have asked Buchholz to steal those kegs. Broke his back!
Boston, according to Rosenthal, is looking for the Cubs to pitch in for Theo’s golden parachute ($3.5M-Boras client?).
Here’s a short version of what sheffield had to say.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/s.....038;page=1
That’s explosive anywhere, but, especially in a clubhouse
M, lol……..but wasn’t his back previously broken stealing laptops?
The next time Beckett pitches in YS I’m showing up dressed like a big chicken.
Be great to seats behind home.
Teary Francona October 12th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
It’s be nice to have some respected Yankees, like Opp. in other GM offices, like Towers in Arizona.
It might give us a better shot at a fair deal with fair demands.
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I’d prefer he sticks around to oversee our drafting.
Is this idiot fan in Detroit going to yell “Swing” all night long. If so that annoyance mixed with the combo of Buck and McCarver is going to make this unbearable to listen to.
The hits keep a coming.
Former Marlins manager Jack McKeon says he used to lock clubhouse door, issue bathroom passes to stop Josh Beckett from drinking during games
Phillies need a one year guy that can play 1B….anybody know of one…..maybe that rhymes with Whiffer
Even if Howard comes back during the season, he may not be the same power hitter he was. The achille’s tendon is tough to recover from, and with as much as he uses his legs in his swing, it will be tough for him being a big hitter for the Phillies next season.
Buchholz is another injured player that might not be quite the same player he was. Being that he fractured a vertebrae from the way he throws the ball, counting on him might not be totally realistic. To prevent further injury like that he will have to change his delivery.
I see also that Masterson (currently an Indian) has had shoulder surgery.
There are some injuries that are going to rob players of some of their skills, or at least set up red flags.
Just like Alex hasn’t been quite the same since his hip injury. That very well could have caused the knee problem this year.
Sounds like Josh has a bit of an alcohol problem
blake October 12th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Phillies need a one year guy that can play 1B….anybody know of one…..maybe that rhymes with Whiffer
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Yes, jump all over a possible opportunity to ditch Mr. Hollywood Swisher. I wouldn’t even ask for much in return. Go out and pick up another Corner OF somewhere.
Former Marlins manager Jack McKeon says he used to lock clubhouse door, issue bathroom passes to stop Josh Beckett from drinking during games
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com.....he-dugout/
Never figured how Buchholz was so special but Hughes is a failure Their numbers are very similar, as is Kennedy’s. Buchholz failed to stick in bost in 2008 and 2009.
I would ask for a significant return but I would shop him.
blake October 12th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
I would ask for a significant return but I would shop him.
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Yeah it all depends I guess if Amaro over there thinks that he is worth a significant return. I would be willing to start with a high demand but also willing to really negotiate, if you know what I mean.
why would Philly give up something big when Howard should be back in May or June at the latest?
GB, Buchholz pitching a no hitter was the only thing that put him on that pedestal. He is a decent pitcher, but when you saw him being sent back down and remaining in the minors it would have raised some eyebrows about his “stuff”. His no hitter and him being a Red Sox player is what elevated him in the eyes of NESPN, and they seem to dictate the sports talking points.
Triple Short of a Cycle October 12th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
why would Philly give up something big when Howard should be back in May or June at the latest?
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Being back and being really able to play as he used to are two different things. The amount of strength he will lose over the recovery time will be huge. He won’t be able to work out that leg. The knee operation Alex had robbed him of strength, and that was minor compared to what Howard will be going through.
because the Phillies have to win now and who knows what Howard will be next year…..plus they need offense anyway. I’d ask for Dom Brown and see what they say
The Red Sox “idiot” culture finally caught up to them. I’d love to hear Sox fans try to criticize the Yanks for
being overly professional and unemotional.
blake – you know my thoughts about Swisher and possible trades with the Phils.
Swish, for all his faults, is a proven ML hitter. Domonic Brown has not achieved that yet.
Unemotional? With Jorge here the last 16 years?
I’m reading Moneyball right now. I hear this Swisher guy is pretty amazing.
Yogi Mantle October 12th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
GB, Buchholz pitching a no hitter was the only thing that put him on that pedestal. He is a decent pitcher, but when you saw him being sent back down and remaining in the minors it would have raised some eyebrows about his “stuff”. His no hitter and him being a Red Sox player is what elevated him in the eyes of NESPN, and they seem to dictate the sports talking points.
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You see it often enough on here about Buchholz is outstanding…Buchholz is sensational….
To me, all three so far are pretty much the same pitchers. They all have something else in common. They’re all 1st round picks who have had injuries. Not sure if that year in the bullpen helped or hurt Hughes. It cost him a lot of immings and a big innings jump. he hadn’t pitched a 100 inning season since 2007 (barely) and that was a huge jump for a 23 year old to make. Gotta think that’s one reason that he dropped of so sharply in the second half of 2010. Just wearing down.
it’s past now, but, I think he rebounds to somewhere between his first 3 months of 2010 and his last 3 months of 2011. Mid -to high 3 ERA and contimue to improve. Not sure that he’ll be a 200 strikeout pitcher a year, but certainly a solid #2 or #3 type and that pretty good. It took a few years for Sabathia to become Sabathia.
Joe,
If they sent Swisher to a team like Philly, I’m asking for Mayberry in return. Maybe add a David Phelps or a Corbin Joseph (who has no place to play) and a bit of offsetting money and get a minor leaguer back with Mayberry.