Oppenheimer speculated as GM candidate
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 12, 2011 
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It’s not new to see Yankees amateur scouting director Damon Oppenheimer’s name pop up on a list of potential general manager candidates. He’s a recurring character on those lists, with Yankees pro scouting director Billy Eppler making occasional appearances of his own.
Most recently, Oppenheimer’s name showed up in the Baltimore Sun as a possible replacement for Andy McPhail, who’s not coming back to run the Orioles next season. Oppenheimer has also been mentioned as a candidate for the Angels’ general manager opening.
Oppenheimer’s become a hugely valuable piece of the Yankees organization. Ten players from the Yankees 2006 draft class have advanced to the big leagues — that’s a massive number for one class — and the farm system has grown to be widely respected and effective, thanks in large part to a recent batch of pitchers drafted by Oppenheimer.
Don’t want to lose Oppenheimer, he upgraded this farm system substantially and really did a great job rebuilding the minors in short order.
How great is it that as they typically do, the Red Sox media and fans are going to pile on Theo and Francona. Nothing like respecting what they did do, throw them out the door. Just like Clemens, Nomar, Mo Vaughn, Damon, Manny, any of the beloved that left, day one they were garbage.
Do. Not. Like.
leave the most successful team in the majors with the largest scouting budgets to do you job, to go to fiscally restrained teams like the Orioles/Angels?
No, never in a million years. The only GM job Oppenheimer wants in the NYY job, he’s just waiting for Cashman to move on.
My dad told me this, so you know it’s true.
I never really understood the Yankees approach to the minor leagues. I would figure all the money spent that they would be top notch in scouting, drafting and monitoring their future. But for years this simply wasn’t the case it seems.
Is that true though? I haven’t a clue. Do the Yankees spend the most in those areas? And if so, why does TB do so well with theirs being a small market team.
Phranchise – They very well may be, but getting lucky has a lot to do with prospect perception.
The Giants would probably do a Cain fo Ellsbury swap…..but from.Boston’s side you’re trading 2 years of Ellsbury for 1 of Cain……and Cain is a real flyball guy…..not sure how he will fair outside of that SF ballpark.
Baltimore is going to have a tough time filling that GM slot. When has any team had their manager be part of the selection group deciding on a GM. Whoever gets the job will have about as much authority as the Queen Of England has in running that government. The GM will be working for Showalter.
Did Showalter not want to do both jobs? Or didn’t want the GM job? I can’t remember.
I think if Cashman signs a new deal then its probably inevitable that Oppenheimer is eventually going to get a GM job somewhere ….just hope its with an owner that will deal with the Yankees.
Blake, about as well as he’d do in YS, which is why I never understood all of thewhining about getting Cain into pinstripes.
Yu Darvish is a prime opportunity for the Yankees to throw their financial weight around.
The posting fee is an upfront sunk cost and is not subject to the luxury tax. Just a pure opportunity to throw around some cash.
GB7,
Yea he’d worry me at YS also. He’s a good pitcher but Id be a little leery of signing him on a big deal in the AL east.
TB has done well, but lets see some draft picks come up through their system after they have been winning for a few years. If you look back at their picks, Price and Longo are the first ruonders that made it… not many of their top 10 picks since 2005 have though. Jennings in 2006 and Hellickson in 2005 is about it. I wouldn’t say they have been any more successful at drafting than anyone else.
Actually developing pitchers after they are acquired is a strong point for their organization though, one we know that Harkey doesn’t handle well for the Yankees.
“The posting fee is an upfront sunk cost and is not subject to the luxury tax. Just a pure opportunity to throw around some cash.”
True but the uncertainty about what you’re getting is an issue. It depends on what the part that actually will affect the luxury tax will cost and how long of a term.
The Queen’s “lack of power” is a largely perpetuated myth. She can dissolve parliament, she can fire a prime minister, she can break a treaty, she can declare war… powers the President of this country doesn’t even have.
There are only 30 GM jobs available.
Oppenheimer would be nuts to turn down an offer if he is fortunate enough to receive one.
“not many of their top 10 picks since 2005 have though. Jennings in 2006 and Hellickson in 2005 is about it. I wouldn’t say they have been any more successful at drafting than anyone else.”
They’ve gotten great value in later rounds and then developed it…..Matt Moore, Davis etc….. they have drafted and developed pitching better than anyone over the last few years.
Maybe Oppenheimer will take a position as a co-GM.
ID,
If the Queen did any of those things, which she can, there would be an instant constitutional crisis and uproar in the country.
Listening to WEEI (boston). One announcer says they shouldn’t be playing video games & join the team/learn about the game. The other announcer says, but then you might not clear that next level of GeOW if you’re too busy learning about the game.
Phranchise October 12th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Is that true though? I haven’t a clue. Do the Yankees spend the most in those areas? And if so, why does TB do so well with theirs being a small market team.
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Not sure that the Yankees spend the most in these areas, it seems their spending has been down a bit in recent years.
To the other point about TB, they were bottom feeders for a long time, building up early picks, PLUS, they got a ton of extra picks when they offered arbitration to those players leaving. They also made some good trades getting back a lot of young talent.
That is what keeps them going. Eventually they will have to fall back to being sucky, as the prospects dry up or they move on.
They have picked pretty well, scouted well, but some of that is edged with low picks.
gehrig38 Imply that an outgoing manager has a drug problem … Stay classy, ownership.
Schilling has spoken.
Do what you have to to keep DO right here.
“That is what keeps them going. Eventually they will have to fall back to being sucky, as the prospects dry up or they move on.”
That depends…..if they keep nailing their picks and their development then they can sustain this indefinitely because they just let players go after 6 years and then restock…….the big thing is that they can’t miss often…..they can’t bail themselves out of bad decisions…..and in baseball eventually you’re going to get some busts.
10 players from one draft class in the majors within five yrs? Holy schnikes!
That’s statistical anomaly territory right there. Even if some were used as trade chips, it has to be frightening for the rest of MLB when you consider the money the Yanks can also throw at the IFA market and traditional free agents.
“gehrig38 Imply that an outgoing manager has a drug problem … Stay classy, ownership.”
That’s their MO….
Good morning!
Thanks to the person who posted the article about the Boston Red Sox clubhouse. It was very good bedtime reading, I was in a dreamy state after that!
pat,
Is that Schilling? Please tell me his middle name is Gehrig.
Not sure I’ve seen a game where the Yankee rotation for the most part wasn’t in the dugout. CC might have had something to do with it, but I wonder what happens for other clubs? I’ve seen Price in the dugout whooping it up when they’re leading, so I think they do it, too. Hmmm. Correlation fail, Boston?
Losing Oppie (
) would be a blow.
Pony up and give Cash and the scouting director a raise, Steinies!
Curt Schilling suddenly has a problem with airing dirty laundry?
Oook then.
ICEBERG AHEAD!!!!!
I always chuckle when someone gives her or his definitive position on any team and then goes on to say that he or she does not bother paying attention to any other team until the postseason.
I think only the least nimble-minded person would attempt to say that the Sux are anything other than a team in shambles.
Oh yeah.
What a flippin’, freakin’, delicious hot mess they are. No GM (it appears), no manager, players feuding with each other, drinking beer in the clubhouse during games, certain players not bothering to get in the work they need before games. And those are the positives with the team!
If anyone of this forum attempts to vacuously pronounce (as part of a yearly pronouncement) that the Sux will come up big this year, I think I will have to personally find them and stick a Sux cap in their mouths!!!
I repeat, no GM, no manager, players feuding, drinking in the clubhouse, certain players not bothering to get their work in before games.
If this was happening with the Yankees, uh I’m not thinking that the same posters who are members of the Sux Annual Laudatory Committee would give the Yanks a shot of a snowball in hell to do anything but end up in last place!
Nothing but joy around these parts!
I’m loving it!
Epstein has reportedly signed a 5-year deal with the Cubs.
See ya Boy Wonder!
trisha.
Hi *waves*. The Phillies lost (via Cliff Lee) and the Red Sox collapse has certainly overshadowed the yankees not getting past round one.
It’s amazing how the sox are spilling their dirty laundry & throwing everyone under the bus. They’re also saying that not everyone wanted Crawford. Wasn’t he like one of the guys that was going to make this huge difference. I wonder how he feels knowing some in the organization didn’t want him.
You gotta think this “dirty laundry” isn’t good for the team going forward.
mel – treat yourself to a listen!
http://www.weei.com/
I just read about a guy who caught a bus for a portion of his marathon. How dumb can you be?
I feel bad for Francona, the man is looking for a job and now he has to fight the rumors of being an addict. Whether they are true or not, it’s not something that he should have to be dealing with right now. It’s not like he tested positive for cocaine.
I’m with those in the earlier thread who said the Cubs made yet another bad move by signing Theo.
They wanted a big name and they are getting one. Too bad for their sake and for their fans’ sake that Theo is very likely to disappoint.
But I guess they are used to it.
Lock, the stuff we’re hearing is actually frightful. Heck they called us the Bronx Zoo! And who in hell are the players to not want Crawford? That’s the problem with that team, and it seemed to start with Manny demanding to play where he wanted to and the team letting it happen. It seems that the inmates run the institution there. Was everyone smoking crack there? Henry and Lucchino should fire themselves too!
The Sox going down in flames like this is certainly a pick-me-up.
I just don’t know how I feel right now.. I think.. I might.. Agree.. With.. Curt……No. No I can’t go there.
Yeah, GF, I feel bad for the Cubs too. They deserve better.
We owe a tip of the cap to the Sux for being the modern-day Titanic. It certainly has taken the Yanks off the hook for their one and out!
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Schilling is a Gehrig fan. Even named his son Gehrig.
Unfortunately, a new manager and these salacious reports mean that the Rednek Pitchin’ Cru will have to be on their best behavior.
It will be fun watching them twitch and squirm in the dugout while they try to act like angels, though.
trisha,
now that Theo is leaving, I can admit that I think he’s cute.
One of the callers was discussing that with all this coming out, how many teams will take chances on some of these guys (via trade for prospects) if they have such a bad rep. Because some teams may feel like they don’t want to add a bad influence like youk, the pitchers etc…
trisha,
From what I’ve read, Youkilis is a big problem as a divisive factor. He was the only won who openly questioned Ellsbury’s heart last season. I would not be surprised if he was the root of any other incidents of that nature.
pat,
Thanks. The son thing makes more sense than the player thing.
Evan Grant
Rangers manager Ron Washington on leaving Michael Young in cleanup spot: “I’m not panicking.” http://bit.ly/nzMvf5
Wait a minute- Schilling uses Gehrig as his twitter handle? Ugh.
“From what I’ve read, Youkilis is a big problem as a divisive factor. He was the only won who openly questioned Ellsbury’s heart last season. I would not be surprised if he was the root of any other incidents of that nature.”
I thought it was interesting that all of these articles keep noting that Youk was the only one to call out Ellsbury *publicly*… sounds like there are quite a few Oscar the Grouches in that clubhouse. Makes sense since Fenway is basically a trash can.
Oh, now I see the Schilling explanation. I still don’t like it though
http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....pening-job
“I have a job,” Cashman told ESPNNewYork.com on Wednesday.
(Thank goodness Kris Kardashian didn’t come up with a GM Swap show before Theo’s hiring)
Trash can, sardine can. All made out of tin. Tin Man=No Heart!
No worries, Erin. The feeling is not mutual
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It’s okay when the Red Sox front office wants to smear Manny or Pedro. In fact we were willing participants!!
But dear Theo? Oh no. Cue moral outrage!
Let’s not get too excited by the Red Sox demise. They actually look as though they are cleaning house and are likely to come back stronger for it next year. Wonder how long it will take for KFC to sign up Beckett for their commercials?
You may not like Youk going public but at least he didn’t hide behind anonymous quotes like former Yankees did.
Frat Boy will be a perfect fit with that “fanbase”.
Theo will become better looking, more charismatic, and an all-around good guy the minute he walks out of Fenway. It’s the way of the world.
bruceb,
Absolutely. It would have been nice to see Theo and a tuned out manager for another year.
As of now, they should clean out the vets and rule with an iron fist.
The fat cats remaining get on board or shipped out for prospects to replenish their depleted system. Fill out the roster with scrap heap pick ups and farm system kids.
Can’t finish lower than 3rd place with that plan, so you might as well clean house and get some better character for your buck.
“You may not like Youk going public but at least he didn’t hide behind anonymous quotes like former Yankees did.”
What could you really hide that mug behind.
ESPN says Theo’s deal is five years for $20M. What will that do for Cashman’s negotiations?
They actually look as though they are cleaning house and are likely to come back stronger for it next year.
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The problem is the players. The issue was not Tito or Theo and why do you say they are likely to come back stronger next year?
Youkilis definitely the horror boy. What he did to Ellsbury was horrid.
Now Lackey, Beckett, and Lester are being singled out as the frat boys who drank beer and ate chicken during the clubhouse during games.
Tito is being characterized as a womanizer.
Who knew?!
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bruceb – I guess you are going to be the first one to eat a Sux cap!
(in an earlier post I said I was going to stick a Sux cap in the mouth of any poster who said the Sux were going to come up big this year!)
THEY ARE GOING TO BE AN ABOMINATION!
You don’t get all new people to come in and whip a team into shape that has been running the show. Ain’t happening, no way no how. And certainly not in the first year!
How long will it really take for the Theo bashing to really commence? Another day or so where Gammons goes from calling him a genius to his assistant being the true genius? Probably as quick as when Coco was the best defensive player in the league to never uttering the word Coco or Crisp in any sentenance for years.
If they let Ortiz go then that’s a gigantic part or their offense from 2011 gone.
“If they let Ortiz go then that’s a gigantic part or their offense from 2011 gone.”
Literally.
FakePeteGammons 14 mins #Redsox orgies in clubhouse during the 7th inning stretch w/strippers & a disco ball hanging from the ceiling? God, I love those rascals!
FakePeteGammons 19 mins A team source revealed Lackey, Lester & Beckett would grease themselves up & wrestle naked in clubhouse during games! This is Peter Gammons
FakePeteGammons 23 mins A league source just told me Theo was addicted to hair care products & placenta based moisturizer! Behind the Monster, this is Peter Gammons
FakePeteGammons 28 mins #Redsox trashing Francona would be out of bounds if done by another team. #Redsox doing it? Smart, savvy ownership! This is Peter Gammons.
I don’t really have any particular feelings about Youk calling out a guy who had broken ribs…I enjoyed the ordeal very much. I just find it interesting that there seem to be a bunch of other players who felt the same. It makes me think a year isn’t enough to fix whatever is wrong in there.
And can we stop comparing the Sox to the 2002-2008 Yanks? Even on those teams there was no frat mentality and I can’t think of a lot of guys that I felt didn’t work hard. Sure there were the Loftons and Pavanos of the bunch, but other than a select few the problem on those teams was age more than dedication. Imagine what Jeter would do with a clubhouse like the 2011 Sox… Jeter wouldnt even let them celebrate in between games when they clinched a playoff birth lol.
blake,
my guess is that they replace him with prince
You know, I thought it was strange that none of the players came to Tito’s defense when the team bit the dust. You can push me over with a feather with the information that Tito didn’t have the respect of his players.
Apparently too nice a guy for that dungheap of a team.
“my guess is that they replace him with prince”
That’s a thought….then where does Youk go? What if he can’t play 3rd anymore? Would they flirt with a 200 million dollar payroll? If they sign prince it’ll be tough to stay under the Luxury tax in the coming years……
Trisha, I admire your confidence. That same confidence you had before Game 5 of the ALDS I seem to recall…and to think, I bought into it instead of sticking to my usual pessimistic outlook!!!
Triple Short of a Cycle. There’s no doubt the Red Sox have the talent to be a threat to the Yankees next year (as they were for most of this year). Imagine how much more dangerous they will be with a new manager and GM out to prove a point? And before we gloat too much, we have several issues of our own to resolve, like re-signing CC, acquiring another frontline pitcher, retooling Tex’s swing, getting A-Rod back to full fitness without the aid of HGH, paying the shrink’s bill for sorting out AJ’s head. Need I continue?
The Sox need a Rfer and they need pitching help…..both bullpen and rotation.
As one person pointed out a new GM could make a very bold move and trade Ellsbury now for a top notch young starting pitcher. Given you are now married to Crawford you hope you could get him to rebound, bat first and play CF. You get Bucholz back, maybe get Cain and resign him or Grienke, Beckett, Lester and stuck with Lackey. That is a solid start to righting the ship. The issue is your pen is a disaster and you are forced to resign Paps. Ortiz you pretty much need or you have to pick up a bat to replace him. They have some issues.
Shame Spencer October 12th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
sounds like there are quite a few Oscar the Grouches in that clubhouse. Makes sense since Fenway is basically a trash can.
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Oscar the Grouch is too good for Fenway.
That is all.
Crawford has resisted playing CF on the past.
bruceb – I haven’t been wrong about the Sux yet. You can feel free to buy into whatever I tell you about them. Their my homeboys!!!! (meaning I live close enough to just about breathe on them and have a really good handle on the Suxers!
But if you want to romanticize them to be something they’re not and won’t be, who am I to stand in your way?
You’re a pessimist? I guarantee you that if the same things were going on with the Yankees you’d be ready for the GW bridge! Hell, you couldn’t even find your way to believe in the team that had the best record in the AL, but you’re buying into the refurbished Titanic?
Have at!
You can’t really clean out personalities. Let’s be real here, Beckett has always been Beckett, same with Youkilis. Were these guys any different a few years back? Nope. Not like Manny was a character guy. The main issue is when you don’t win and your skills diminish the other stuff becomes a problem. You were tolerating Manny being Manny because he was so good. And you tolerated all this nonsense because they were winning. Only an issue when you are not. I hope Sox fans love their players, they are a class act.
And bruceb – and you know you and I are buds – it isn’t confidence re: the Sux. It’s common sense.
You think that fat hayseed Beckett is going to listen to anyone? Pukeface? The inmates have taken over that asylum.
You think the Sux are going to hire a manager who’ll kick ass and take numbers?
BTW, the elf is now on live on EEI.
“You can’t really clean out personalities. Let’s be real here, Beckett has always been Beckett, same with Youkilis”
Great minds! Same two I singled out.
Triple Short of a Cycle. There?s no doubt the Red Sox have the talent to be a threat to the Yankees next year (as they were for most of this year). Imagine how much more dangerous they will be with a new manager and GM out to prove a point? And before we gloat too much, we have several issues of our own to resolve, like re-signing CC, acquiring another frontline pitcher, retooling Tex?s swing, getting A-Rod back to full fitness without the aid of HGH, paying the shrink?s bill for sorting out AJ?s head. Need I continue?
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They have to worry about possibly losing Papelbon and Ortiz so I don’t know why you would say they are likely to come back stronger next season without seeing what they do. They lost a very good GM and a very good manager. Not easy to replace
I don’t care about Boston’s soap opera, aside from it being hilarious.
Just lock Oppenheimer in his office until vacant GM spots get filled and cut off all calls in the meantime to his phone, email messaging, etc.
I’m not worried about what the Red Sox do this winter. My only concern is what the Yankees do. To their credit, the 2011 Yankees won as a team and lost as a team. But they weren’t without their flaws either…and some of them are not easily fixed.
Happy thoughts for Chip. One of the off-season moves he recommends is signing DeJesus.
Pedroi on WEEI
Triple, right on.
Elfkin upset Theo is going. Doesn’t want to hear about any of the clubhouse problems. Laying it all on “poor playing”. But gee, doesn’t all of that other stuff play into “poor playing”?
And really were these all the issues when they started the season with an early collapse when they were bad to start the season? Maybe, just maybe, their starters were overated, their bullpen improvements were not improvements and losing Beltra and V mart shelling out a ton of cash and bringing in Crawford and A Gone wasn’t an upgrade even if you gush over A Gone. Look at the stats especially V Mart ridiculous .390 BA with RISP and tell me how much of an offensive dropoff was there if you kept V Mart for less money than A Gone.
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I have to say that as someone who has to have the Sux hype jammed down my throat all the time, even from a few here, I personally am in my own little heaven right now.
And check it out – I don’t worry about the Sux either. But it doesn’t mean that I am enraptured by this turn of events!
I’m also not worried about the Yankees. Rainout and bad umping hurt the Yankees. That stuff not happening, we’re likely in the ALCS.
Oh well.
Prufrock with any luck Oppenheimer has a blackberry
Why would the Giants part with Matt Cain?
Why would the Brewers part with Zack Grienke? Why would Zack Grienke go to the Sox as a FA after all he has heard in the media?
Just because the Red Sox come calling?
Young cost controlled SP is much more valuable than a CF approaching free agency. Sox have nothing to add to the deal in their farm right now that would make sense for anyone.
Papelbon will likely accept a job far outside of Boston. Maybe somewhere South?
V Mart .330 12 hrs 103 rbis 51ks
A Gone .338 27 hrs 117 rbis 119ks
trish , the depth of your hate for the sox seems much deeper than your love of the yanks, just sayin’
LOL! @ Francona.
Once again, the Red Sox hold you accountable. Francona missed the playoffs with the greatest team ever assembled, and he’s been held accountable. Not only by getting his ass booted out the door, like so many before him (Manny, Nomar, etc.), he got his name dragged through the mud just like them as well. LMAO!
all solid points blake. maybe this is an emotional response but i see the sox making a big splash in the offseason. they need butts in the seats. all the recent press can’t be good for them.
my guess is that they trade youk, he could net at least some solid bullpen pieces. he has one reasonable year left on his contract and no long term place in boston.
“Maybe, just maybe, their starters were overated, their bullpen improvements were not improvements and losing Beltra and V mart shelling out a ton of cash and bringing in Crawford and A Gone wasn’t an upgrade even if you gush over A Gone. Look at the stats especially V Mart ridiculous .390 BA with RISP and tell me how much of an offensive dropoff was there if you kept V Mart for less money than A Gone.”
FLIPPIN’ BINGO!
Phranchise, I will never understand why certain Yankee fans insist on glorifying the Sux year after year after year and making their players and team out to be something they are not.
They’re definitely buying into some ozone hype!
Just think of all the bashing Arod/Boras (deservedly) got for leaking an announcement during the final game of the world series and how the media indirectly bashed the Yankees for that.
The Boston soap opera is at full tilt and it’s only going to get worse all while the championship series are in full swing.
Those classy Redsox. So good for baseball. Barf.
I cant wait to see how theyre going to drag Boy Genius’ name through the mud.
And it amazes me, the loyalty of the Boston organization and media to hold in all these malicious stories during the season, so as not to distract them. Now that the 2011 Red Sox are the biggest failures of all time, now it’s time for the Red Sox org. and the media to rip them to shreds.
Accountability
The sage Oppenheimer keeps Cash from hyperventilating over Betances through several rounds of 2006 Draft:
“Cashman is a true believer. He has been since Betances first showed what he could do on the Yankee Stadium mound during a tryout before the 2006 draft.
“I said, ‘Wow, who is this guy?’” Cashman remembered. “‘We are going to draft him.’”
Damon Oppenheimer, the head of amateur scouting for the Yankees, told Cashman that Betances was raw, that he had a commitment to Vanderbilt, and it would take a lot of money to sign him.
“I said, ‘I’ll pay him a lot of money, look at the tools this guy has got,’” Cashman said.
With teams scared off by the fact that Betances might go to college, Betances dropped out of the first round. Cashman grew antsy.
After the third round, Cashman was ready to grab him.
“I was like, ‘Pop him now,’” Cashman said. “[Oppenheimer] was like, ‘No, he will still be there.’ Fourth round? ‘Pop him now.’ Fifth round? ‘Pop him now.’ Sixth round? Pop him now. Seventh round? Pop him now.’ And then we popped him.”
“trish , the depth of your hate for the sox seems much deeper than your love of the yanks, just sayin’”
mick, don’t start the stupid stuff agaiin. I thought we put all of this behind us. You even said that you were on board with the Sux collapse and finally understand your “NE cousins, trisha and randy.”
Nobody else here questions my love for the Yankees. Don’t be the one to do it. Okay?
Irreverent Discourse October 12th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Prufrock with any luck Oppenheimer has a blackberry
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Strip him down, then lock him in his office.
BTW, LMAO on your “P” parodies.
And mick, understand that my confidence in the Yankees is so sky high all the time that I don’t need to be managing the team, giving suggestions about who we should get, etc.
And my loyalty to the Yankees, win or lose, never waivers.
I don’t see how much more love somebody could show.
Bad likeness of Derek
http://www.wlky.com/r/29462177/detail.html
I think if Oppenheimer is in play they should promote Cashman to team President and make Oppenheimer the GM.
Even an objective non prospect hugger like myself can see that the Yankees are drafting, signing and developing better than ever. The guy is an asset.
I hope they can come up with an OF’er. I’d love to see a young OF with some power and high average come up through the system since those guys are so rare now.
trisha, I loved the collapse more than anyone because I made this arguement to start the season when a guy I knew, obviously a Sox fan, was going on and on how great they were just like that now infamous NESN article. I was not a huge fan of Beltre, but he was a beast on the Sox and a great defender. V Mart another big time hitter. You lose two middle of the order bats, spent far more money for Crawford and A Gone. To me, it looks like far more of a wash for the offense, less power, but more speed. As for the bullpen guys, has beens or guys that had made it elsehwere, we have seen to often that bringing in free agents rarely fixes the pen, it’s internal arms or specialists. The truth is their minor leagues have been emptied out quite a bit, they have some aging core players and they have a good amount of highly overated super egos on that team.
“Why would the Giants part with Matt Cain?,
I think they would trade 1 year of Cain for 2 years of Ellsbury ……especially since they can’t hit their way out of a paper bag.
‘Pop him now’ is officially a part of my everyday vocab.
kd, I don’t know what kind of splash they’ll be able to make that will surpass the splash they thought they made with AGon and Crawford. And I seriously question what fans will accept from them in the near future. It may feel like putting bandaids on a corpse.
I know that if all of the same things had happened with the Yankees and we were just finding it out, as a fan I would be shattered. I don’t know that a big signing in the off season would be enough to heal the wounds. And I’m easy when it comes to the Yanks.
pat October 12th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Bad likeness of Derek
http://www.wlky.com/r/29462177/detail.html
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It looks like Derek and Lance Berkman had a baby..
The guys at the Globe say the next GM is going to be Ben Cherington who is Theo’s understudy or something.
They are going to lose Oppenheimer if Cash stays on as GM ……its inevitable as everyone wants to climb the ladder. Either hope its to a team that will deal with the Yanks or explore the Cashman to President and DO to GM…..
Phranchise, I wish I had hooked up with you back then. I was arguing the same kinds of things and I definitely was not sold on their rotation because three of the returning pitchers had questionable seasons the year before! I was stunned that anyone was annointing them anything. In addition, I predicted they would finish third, at best.
I took a lot of heat for that prediction.
I will always say, I know my Sux!
true trish it’s not a putdown just seems you derive more joy from their collapse than yankee love
i’m ok with that, not starting up, you are entitled .
just thrown in with your love of many other teams, it seems like the yanks are one of many.
but as chief protagonists of the sox they are a favorite .
There’s nothing wrong with hating the Red Sox as much as you love the Yankees.
The Red Sox are scum. And they get portrayed in the media as a slice of heaven.
Whereas the Yankees do things the right way, and they get blasphemed in the media.
Somehow in a few weeks, everyone will forget how pathetic a clubhouse the Red Sox have, how the Red Sox organization slanders people, and all the media will be putting the Red Sox atop the list of destinations of every free agent
Ellsbury would also make a perfect NL players, a great mix of speed and power, although we have to see if the power was an abirition for a year. He certainly was very similar to a pre-injury Grady Sizemore this past year if not better. Speaking of Grady, would we ever let Swish walk and try Grady out there, two years a bit like Martin? It is another lefty bat sure, but might be a low risk high reward move? A Granderson like power stroke to RF as well.
If only the Blue Jays could get better… I’d love to see the Sox be a 4th place finisher
“I hope they can come up with an OF’er. I’d love to see a young OF with some power and high average come up through the system since those guys are so rare now.”
Mason Williams sounds very promising from every account I’ve read. If Kemp hits free agency then I think the Yanks will spare no expense. I would guess either he or Hamilton or someone via trade that’s good is patrolling RF in 2013.
baseballcrankDan McLaughlin by craigcalcaterra
Tip for readers: anyone who comes out looking good in an anonymously-sourced hit job was probably a source.
Pedroia, “What are they upset about?” in response to the comment that the people won’t be happy when the Sox come back to town.
Duh, Dusty.
?Pop him now? is officially a part of my everyday vocab.
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Well there is always directing Porn if Cash ever decides to change professions.
“If only the Blue Jays could get better… I’d love to see the Sox be a 4th place finisher”
Rumor is they are going to throw some cash around this winter.
The Blue Jays could very easily put together a great staff in short order, similar to the Rays. Do they have enough offense? Maybe not, but without improving our staff they could easily rank as the top two staffs in the AL East in the not too distant future.
By the way, Boy Genius will do nothing with the Cubs, he wont be getting gifted players any longer for empty peanuts and cracker jack bags
mick, I do struggle with certain things, and one is the inability to have a killer instinct. I have this Mother Teresa thing when it comes to the other teams, and if everyone could win it would make me happy because then I wouldn’t have to feel sorry for the other teams.
Believe me, I wish I didn’t have that going on.
But what I feel for other teams is more compassion than anything. There’s only one team that has my heart and soul and love.
I grew up a Yankee fan. My geography automatically fuels the level of Sux hatred. But my love of the Yanks came before my hatred for the Sux. (I started watching baseball at a very young age and the Sux weren’t in my radar of understanding for quite a while.)
blake October 12th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
They are going to lose Oppenheimer if Cash stays on as GM ……its inevitable as everyone wants to climb the ladder. Either hope its to a team that will deal with the Yanks or explore the Cashman to President and DO to GM…
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Cashman as Prez? Farewell Randy Levine?. Me like
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“Pedroia, “What are they upset about?” in response to the comment that the people won’t be happy when the Sox come back to town.
Duh, Dusty.”
That was really strange.
Some serious problems north on the 95 and to the south on the 95….
all of you who get worked up by the media are falling into the trap they have set for you…the more you talk about it the more you feed on their propaganda, the more they succeed and keep perpetrating the lies they feed you which raises their ratings and increases their paychecks.
they are using you and you bring it here to create more frenzy.
I’d love to see the Jays get better, and the O’s. In fact it would be fun to see the Sux in last place!
“Ellsbury would also make a perfect NL player”
Too bad the Mets probably don’t have anything the Red Sox need or they could be a match. The Mets could use more speed and athleticism in their outfield. They could also use Ellsbury as a replacement for Reyes in the batting order.
“I hope they can come up with an OF’er. I’d love to see a young OF with some power and high average come up through the system since those guys are so rare now.”
Mason Williams sounds very promising from every account I’ve read. If Kemp hits free agency then I think the Yanks will spare no expense. I would guess either he or Hamilton or someone via trade that’s good is patrolling RF in 2013.
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Williams is going to take some time, but one guy we could see, just based on his hitting tool, is JR Murphy (not as a CF, of course). He’s originally a RF and has a good arm and could certainly handle our RF. The power may take some time, but he has gap power and is the kind of bat-in-the-zone guy with a level swing we could have used on Thursday. He’s the anti-Tex, so the power will take some time, but he can drive balls all over the field. If they want to eke out catching on him to the bitter end, then there’s no chance we see him in two years, but if they give that up, we could.
Ha, awesome, someone may have mentioned it, but ESPN article finally flagging how everyone that leaves Boston suffers from the “smear campaign”. Sox fans always seem to be oblvious to this, yet every face of the franchise has their careers end badly over the last ten years or so. We are too loyal as a Yankees organization, we overpay and keep guys too long, but Old Timers Day shows just how much the fans love the players. How many times do you see a guy leave and be completely crushed?
trish you have a killer instinct with your sox hate.
did everyone in your family root for them?
Maybe the Red Sox should consider replacing Neil Diamond with The Spin Doctors?
“Some serious problems north on the 95 and to the south on the 95….”
Pat M – no question.
trisha – true pinstriped blue October 12th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
I’d love to see the Jays get better, and the O’s. In fact it would be fun to see the Sux in last place!
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Mother Trisha
, we may see them get better faster than I’d be comfortable with. Lots of pitching down on the farm.
Nomar :
“I think people are starting to recognize there’s a pattern here. All of a sudden it becomes personal, especially with guys who have had so much success in that uniform,” Garciaparra said on “SportsCenter” Wednesday.
“If we want to go down the list … now we’re hearing about Terry Francona, before Terry … it was Johnny Damon, before him you had Derek Lowe, you had Pedro Martinez, you had Manny Ramirez, you had myself, then you had Mo Vaughn, then you had Roger Clemens, then you had Jim Rice, Carl Yastrzemski, and oh, by the way, one Ted Williams.
“So the list is pretty good, pretty prestigious, but it seems to happen. So there’s a pattern. Is it all these guys that are bad or is there something more here?”
Maybe Nomar will get booed when he is there next season again and take away all the good will from his return this year !!!! Just hysterical.
Mo Vaughn!!!
Who ever liked Mo Vaughn when he was on the Mets?! I think just the NY restaurant industry.
it’s funny how this feeding frenzy emanates from boston.
it’s just the nature of the press to attack.
it sells papers, people listen.
will their fans leave them, doubt it…
will they recover, probably.
they have the resources.
must be human nature…the soap opera of baseball, esp. NY and boston.
East Coast Agita?
Mo Vaugh put up some good years there and a lot of charity work too. You would have thought the guy killed a few people on his way out how much they hated him.
pat,
The person who came out of that article smelling like roses was Pedroia.
The Sox have turned into….the Mets?
Third place loves company!
.” The power may take some time, but he has gap power and is the kind of bat-in-the-zone guy with a level swing we could have used on Thursday. He’s the anti-Tex, so the power will take some time, but he can drive balls all over the field.”
That’s what they need
“trish you have a killer instinct with your sox hate.
did everyone in your family root for them?”
You know I do. But that’s where it ends. No killer instinct beyond that. It’s definitely geographic mick.
Everyone in my family rooted for them, yes, but I don’t really remember it ever being set up as or feeling like a competition at home, except in a more gentle jabbing way. You know, nobody in my family has a killer instinct when it comes to sports, but I see one of my sisters who’s a Pats fan absolutely wanting to kill the Jets.
So there is probably that NY – beantown geographical stuff in play.
You want to see hate where you would think the person hated the other team more than loved his own? You have to see Brian Sux fan and his hatred for the Yanks. I don’t think mine for the Sux compares with his for the Yanks. And I know he loves his Suxers.
Definite geographic.
Maybe the Red Sox should consider replacing Neil Diamond with The Spin Doctors?
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Why not their 2 Princes are gone.
Buchholz: 12:$3.5M, 13:$5.5M, 14:$7.7M, 15:$12M, 16:$13M club option ($0.245M buyout), 17:$13.5M club option
Lester: 12:$7.625M, 13:$11.625M, 14:$13M club option ($0.25M buyout)
Becket: 12:$15.75M, 13:$15.75M, 14:$15.75M
Lackey: 12:$15.25M, 13:$15.25M, 14:$15.25M
Matsuzaka: 12:$10M
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It looks like the Red Sox are pretty set in the rotation, except Matsuzaka out until at least mid season.
People think they’d add a big CC contract on top of that?
Nomar lived it …..he should know.
What will become of all those pink hats?
trish…i just don’t get the hate of the sox from one growing up in their neighborhood.
hard to imagine. in ny it’s because we have 2 teams, once had 3, who we played in the series.
It looks like the Red Sox are pretty set in the rotation, except Matsuzaka out until at least mid season.
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He’s out for the year
JAP,
Yes if would be awesome if they could kick Levine’s butt trouble the curb…..or at least get him into a non baseball decision making role……and get Cash as the President and DO as the GM…..
“Mother Trisha,
, we may see them get better faster than I’d be comfortable with. Lots of pitching down on the farm.”
I want it for them. We’re good enough to deal with the competition.
I want to kill the Jets, too.
I’d rather we had 1 sports team in NY. I hate the fact that we have to share coverage and half the town hates the opposing team
To the curb
I don’t hate the Jays or anything, but their fans do have a humorless hatred for the Yankees.
“trish…i just don’t get the hate of the sox from one growing up in their neighborhood.
hard to imagine. in ny it’s because we have 2 teams, once had 3, who we played in the series.”
mick, you have to remember that the Yanks-Sux are called the greatest rivalry in the history of organized sports. You grow up a fan of one in the territory of the other, that hatred is pretty automatic.
I had my car keyed during the 2009 postseason. I was also run off the road.
That hatred is serious as rain around here.
It’s the Hadfields and the McCoys.
i wonder if francona will get the same treatment torre got here, sans the book.
It was my understanding that Matsuzaka was dead to the Sox. I’m thrilled to see that they still have to pay him a nominal salary. Actually, that’s not petty cash, that’s some pretty serious money.
trish, i too hate the sox, not to the degree you do, moreso in the 70′s but…your hatred is deep.
at what age did it start? what turned you against them?
pruf
everybody hates the yanks
i went to the 03 series in fla
where they don’t even root for their team
and their ushers were taunting yankee fans after they beat us…
if the rivalry was with the orioles would you have been an oriole fan?
By Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff
STARBUCKS, NEAR WRIGLEY – As I sit here for Day 2 of the Theo Epstein: Decision 2012, wondering who the next Red Sox general manager should be.
1. Ben Cherington – The clearcut choice. He’s been a Theo Epstein lieutenant for many years and has been with the Red Sox organization for many years wearing different hats.
Very bright, thorough manager who would continue the same philosophy of the Epstein regime. But do the Red Sox want to continue the philosophy of the Epstein regime, or do they want a new approach?
2. Allard Baird – Another insider in the Epstein group. Baird was the general manager of the Kansas City Royals and is a very competent talent evaluator. He’s done a nice job with Boston’s evaluations of people like Alfredo Aceves and Jarrod Saltalamacchia.
He’s definitely tied into Epstein, and could be heading to Chicago as well.
3. Josh Byrnes – Been here and worked under Epstein. He was the first of the Epstein assistants to flee, running the Arizona Diamondbacks until he was fired. Definitely out there and available, though he too could wind up with Epstein.
4. J.P. Ricciardi – The Worcester native, currently a special assistant to Sandy Alderson in New York, had taken a job with Epstein over the winter as a special assistant, but took a larger role with the Mets. Experienced GM in the AL East division for many years in Toronto. Has placed about 35 players in the big leagues. Like Epstein, had his share of bad contracts including Vernon Wells and Alex Rios, but would be a solid choice.
5. Billy Beane Turned the Red Sox down in 2002 and can’t see him wanting to come here. He’s a West Coast guy with a young family he would not want to displace.
6. Andrew Friedman – The Rays GM is a great choice but probably unrealistic.
7. Omar Minaya – Former Mets GM who has the big market experience.
8. Rick Hahn – White Sox assistant GM went to Harvard and knows about the Red Sox experience.
9. Joe Garagiola Jr. – Executive with MLB, Did a fine job building the D-Backs when they were good and won a championship.
10. Al Avila – The Tigers’ assistant GM has done a terrific job identifying top talent for the Tigers.
11. Ned Colletti – The Dodger GM would probably love to flee.
12. Larry Beinfest – The Marlins GM is under contract, but would probably love the chance to to be able to rub a few nickles together and acquire some good players.
13. Doug Melvin – Worked in Boston for a year and did a nice job building the Brewers this season.
14. Pat Gillick – The Hall of Famer probably doesn’t want the headache and way too old school for John Henry. The man doesn’t even own a cell phone.
15. Jerry DiPoto – Former Red Sox scout and assistant GM in Arizona. Has a big future as the head of an organization.
Would love to hear your thoughts, but make them realistic. Brian Cashman isn’t walking through that door.
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Place your bets. My guess is Ricciardi. He’s got the perfect amount of “I’m an @sshole” written all over his face.
You know trading Ellsbury isn’t as far fetched as it might sound and even though he is probably their best player.
If people hate you, must mean you are good, have zero issue with that.
blake, they can kick eppler out with him, IMO. Too much fallout from his bright idea that Joba shouldn’t start.
Triple Short of a Cycle October 12th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
It looks like the Red Sox are pretty set in the rotation, except Matsuzaka out until at least mid season.
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He’s out for the year
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I read he could be back mid-season, or late season. But it doesn’t matter much. The Red Sox have 4 starters and will probably only look to add a #5. They could just try to get Colon or Garcia or whoever for one year.
Exactly I would love if Riccardi went there. He could blow it all up for them for years in half a season.
mick, what turned me against them is purely living where I do. I’m telling you that around here intra hatred Yanks v Sux is as natural as breathing. It is an automatic. If you root for the Sux you hate the Yanks, and vice versa. I really can’t explain it any better.
But again, if Yanks-Sux is touted as the greatest rivalry in organized sports and you can see yourself how much more hype there is when the Yanks play the Sux than when the play anyone else, you’d have to understand how natural it would be for someone who loves the Yanks and lives in the backyard of the Sux to have a heightened disdain for the Sux.
I’m betting that Ellsbury wishes he was far away from Boston. He doesn’t seem comfortable in the clubhouse.
He’d be a power hitter in Philly.
Sorry, Jays fans are classless baseball fans.
Trading Ellsbury is about the only thing they might have as far as a commodity goes that wouldn’t kill what they currently have there and they would be selling high on him I imagine. I can’t see him having a better season than he had this year.
Bronx Jeers October 12th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
You know trading Ellsbury isn’t as far fetched as it might sound and even though he is probably their best player.
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They’ll alienate the pink hats if they do.
Phranchise October 12th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
If people hate you, must mean you are good, have zero issue with that.
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Not always true.
See: Robin, Red
Every fan base in baseball is classless. It’s not exactly a gentleman’s sport and it’s not exactly the polo crowd.
I read he could be back mid-season, or late season.
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Hopefully, by mid-season, in time to kill the bullpen.
“if the rivalry was with the orioles would you have been an oriole fan?”
No. Because I didn’t grow up an Orioles fan. I grew up a Yankee fan. I was taken to games at the Stadium by my godparents and grandfather at a very young age. If the rivalry was Sux-Orioles, I probably wouldn’t have the passion against the Sux that I do.
Edes defends Francona:
http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/.....r-campaign
No, the Jays fan is particularly classless. By contrast, the Red Sox fan who pre-dates 2004 is a much better league fan.
the sox have always been 1 or 2 players away from completely imploding and i am surprised it is taking this long.
ortiz and youklis being prime suspects, they are both out of shape and won’t be around much longer.
their pitching is overhyped and has never been known for being anything special.
beckett and schilling changed that, they have always been built around hitting.
so it is just a matter of time…
and you know what, we will miss them when they are decimated, the rivalry will suffer.
But, so what?
Hardwired I agree !!!!
Although that dude is more pathetic I think than hated. Annoying. If you have nothing better to do that keep posting that nonsense to a group that could care less anymore it’s sad if that’s what gets you off. So not classified at true hatred.
My mom grew up in NY and was a Yankee fan. I got my love of the Yankees from her, but it was nurtured by my godparents (my aunt is my mom’s sister) and my grandpa.
My mother eventually became a fan of beanton teams.
If I had different godparents it could have turned out that I ended up a Sux fan – horrors.
The naked woman in the hotel window at Rogers Centre and the fake umps were pretty funny.
I despised Cito much more than their fans. Their fans did not line up Doc & AJ 18 times a year!
mick October 12th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
pruf
everybody hates the yanks
i went to the 03 series in fla
where they don’t even root for their team
and their ushers were taunting yankee fans after they beat us…
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i know everybody hates us. But as a fanbase, the Jays’ is pretty unimpressive.
mick October 12th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Absolutely agree with you.
The more that comes out about Francona, the more I find myself liking him.
I think there’s a nice irony to that.
why does boston always fall into the same patterns? they’re the best of the best, nomar is far superior to jeter and arod, and then he’s a selfish jerk who couldn’t hack a big market.
there’s a serious issue up there and after watching theo and tito leave, why on earth would a free agent consider that place for anything other than a carl crawford overpay?
Reasons for the collapse :
Blame game : Francona & Theo – actually the players
Schedule : A Gone’s whine session, was there a worse schedule than the Yankees with the rainouts, double headers and stretch of games?
Injuries : Core of their offense was intact, injured names are the same guys getting hurt every year, Yankees had how many injuries this year and had no Arod & Jeter for extended periods of the season.
All in all, you just were never that good. And if you thought you were than you have no heart or grit or some of the other terms they love to use up there because the Yankees have made it thru. Just because you grown a beard and look dishevled doesn’t mean you are tough and gritty.
Nice way to spend an afternoon.
I guess I better turn to and get some work done.
Later y’alll.
glad to have you on our side trish
didn’t know there were more yankee fans in NE than rs fans here, altho some transplanted yankee haters here might claim the sox as theirs…hard to tell
like i said, i think more ppl hate the yanks than the sox
we are more hateable, by far….as they are the eternal underdogs
Maybe Ellsbury should ask the Packers to try and trade for him.
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It’s quite apparent that the collapse was on the
childrenplayers.Looks like the spotlight isn’t only on the players/principles headed out of town. It’s on the remaining players, too. They will definitely have to answer questions next spring and be accountable.
The funny thing is that everyone, and I mean everyone, will be looking for any hair out of place. Any player not in the dugout. Any complaint out of a player’s mouth.
If Manny was paying attention, he’d think this was all pretty hilarious. He’d say, “What’s all this fuss about?”
Lockdown -
I just wanted to respond to your 10:34 am post. I did misunderstand your original point.
It’s certainly possible for players to get resentful or bothered if they sensed their manager wasn’t able to make a decision or take a stand.
I felt the 6-man rotation was an organizational decision, but I guess all anyone can do is hope that if there are negative feelings that they are fleeting or at least dealt with.
If Manny was paying attention, he’d think this was all pretty hilarious. He’d say, “What’s all this fuss about?”
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If he is paying attention, he should throw his hat in as the Mgr.
Let them do what they want in the clubhouse.
Get Rickey Henderson to coach the cardplayers.
The 6 man was a mistake but I’m sure Girardi had input and he is loyal and fair seemingly above all.
This could be where the lack of the killer instinct Klapisch was talking about emanates.
It was a mistake as it impacted CC.
i know everybody hates us. But as a fanbase, the Jays’ is pretty unimpressive.
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as are the marlins…
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