Would you make this trade?
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 13, 2011 
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Let’s start this day with a trade proposal.
This is not my trade proposal. This suggestion was emailed to me earlier in week, and I responded with an email dismissing the idea completely. I got a reply suggesting the Yankees could sweeten the deal and still have a worthwhile trade.
I still contend this would be an awful trade for the Yankees – and I really like the player they’d be getting in return – but let’s see what you think…
Orioles get: C/DH Jesus Montero and RF Nick Swisher
Yankees get: RF Nick Markakis
Markakis is young and talented, but he’s also signed to a long-term deal making more than Swisher will make if/when the Yankees pickup his club option for this season. What’s more, the past two years, I’d take Swisher’s slash line over Markakis. If Markakis is an upgrade at all, I’m not sure it’s a significant one. It’s certainly not worth paying more salary and losing an elite prospect.
That’s what I think anyway. When I said as much, part of the response I got said this: “Honestly, it would be a great deal for both teams even if (the Yankees) threw in a pitcher.”
Thoughts?
No way.
Did this idea come from Laura??
You must be running out of material.
Only if this means the Yanks are getting Fielder to DH….then yes, I do it.
I agree with Gold Glove… If the yankees have signed Fielder (or Pujols
) to play DH then yes i would make that trade
Yeah, Fielder is fairly young and will rake at Yankee Stadium. Plus Markakis is an upgrade over Swisher, so then it really helps the team.
Eesh. Pretty poor trade for the Yanks. I’d need to get Manny Machado to even make this deal worth it.
This is an awful trade lol.
Chip’s been working overtime on email trade proposals. Bret would only do that trade for David Dejesus.
Chip could do better with his eyes closed…..1,000 times no. Id trade Swisher for Britton or Matuz if they want to give up on either of them.
NO
this is worse than LGY’s idea
Like Nick Markakis, however not for the same reasons Laura does.
Swisher alone for Markakis, I might think about. Swisher has a higher slugging% and OB%, plus more homers. Markakis has a higher BA and a GG arm in RF. Swisher has been awful in the postseason. Markakis has no track record in the PS.
If the Yankees throw in a catcher then it’s Romine, but I want Matt Weiters in return. Let the Orioles have a one ofWarren/Phelps.
Absolutely no to trading Montero.
Very poor concept. Montero for Markakis? No way. Throw in Swisher? Why? They are the same player. This is not a trade, it’s an exchange and Montero would be wasted. If he is traded at all, it should be for an elite pitcher and the only one I can think of would be Felix Hernandez, and he is not available. Please. Let’s not start the hot stove season off this way. There are better things to discuss and write about.
No.
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no, and NO!
Sure, why not throw in Jeter and Cano too.
But seriously, awful trade suggestion.
Regardless of if the Yankees made another move or not in conjunction with this proposed trade, this would be an insane deal for the Yankees to make. Markakis for Swisher, considering age, ability and contract length would likely be a fairly even swap. If anything, adding someone like Adam Warren or DJ Mitchell to the deal would be sufficient. When we talk about also including Jesus Montero, I want no part of the deal. Montero should only be dealt for a young #1 or #2 starter who is locked up for a number of years (one way or another), and even then it shouldn’t be done without careful consideration. The Yankees have a number of young arms coming up, including Betances and Banuelos, who project to the top of the rotation arms, when coupled with Nova and CC and Hughes (conditionally), doesn’t really make that a necessity. I really like Markakis, but not at a cost of anything other than Swisher and a B level arm.
I would trade Montero for. Clayton Kershaw, Ryan Braun, justin Upton, Troy Tulo, or maybe a Matt Moore. That’s about it. 6 years of cheap Montero could be very very valuable …..it would have to be a similar or better talent with long term control to be worth it.
Why in the world would you give up an elite 21 yr. old bat like Montero?
Montero is a Miguel Cabrera in the making. With all the aging bats in the Yankees lineup, you need a young quick bat like Montero who is only going to get better with experience.
I’d only consider giving up Montero for King Felix, a 25 yr. old superstar pitcher.
Besides, Markakis is not much of an upgrade from Swisher.
Nick Markakis in exchange for Swisher, Montero AND a pitcher????????
NO Again.
And still no.
And then the Yankees get to face Montero in the AL East for years to come??? And have to listen to Buck Showalter clucking away?
NO NO NO.
(Can you tell I don’t like this trade proposal at all?)
How about Swisher for Dom Brown…..or Swisher for Wade Davis
Absolutely not.
1) If we are trading Montero, it’s for a cost-controlled #1/#2 starting pitcher. Not Nick Markakis.
2) Nick Swisher can approximate the same value as Markakis alone next season.
3) After this season, Swish will net us TWO first round draft picks when we let him leave as a FA.
4) Why would we give up the best prospect we have for a RF when Matt Kemp (and plenty of others) are free agents in 2013 (the same year that Swisher leaves)? Free agents don’t cost #1 prospects.
5) Why would the Orioles want one year and $10.5M of Nick Swisher?
The Orioles have 3 regular position players that would have some worth if available for trade.
Wieters
Adam Jones
Nick Markakis
No.
I wouldn’t trade Montero for Felix anymore. Id rather have 6 years of Montero for peanuts than 3 years of Felix for 60 million. Felix worries me a bit anyway…..last year may have been a blip but he wasn’t as dominant and he’s got a ton of innings on a young arm.
On top of all of that…..the Orioles would never trade with the Yankees anyway. Surely better trade proposals have been submitted.
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No way.
Plus the Orioles dont trade with the Yanks AND the Yanks would never trade Montero to a team in the East.
I wouldn’t even trade Swish for Markakis straight up. Adding Montero (and a pitcher?!) is absurd.
Markakis is a good player, but he’s not a huge improvement over Swisher. He might not even be an improvement at all; Markakis hasn’t had a better year than Swish since 2008. It’s not like he’s all that much younger (only 3 years), and he’s more expensive. At best it’s a wash, and at worst you’re giving up a very good player (not to mention the elite prospect) in the hopes that you get 07-08 Markakis, not 09-11 Markakis.
Also, if NY gets Fielder to DH, that doesn’t mean they should just rush out and trade Montero as quickly as possible. Why waste him on a nominal-at-best upgrade in the outfield when there are pitchers to be had? Even a nominal upgrade to the rotation would be better than a nominal one in RF.
well at least the board agrees about something
NO this is worse than LGY’s idea
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So does this mean you are warming up to my idea?
No deal. Nick Markakis is a terrific all around player but first of all Peter Angelos has no interest in ever trading with the Yankees.
A better trading partner would be the Phillies. Swisher for John Mayberry Jr. in a New York minute. Swisher would play 1st base until Ryan Howard returns. Philly also has a glut of OF’s with Hunter Pence, Ben Francisco, and Domonic Brown.
Yankeewarrior-
Swisher will only net draft picks if offered arbitration, and it is declined.
Certainly the Yankees can find an OF’er from the 2013 FA pool:
Left fielders
Josh Hamilton (32)
Carlos Lee (37)
Luke Scott (35)
Delmon Young (27)
Center fielders
Michael Bourn (30)
Marlon Byrd (35)
Melky Cabrera (28)
Curtis Granderson (32) – $13MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Matt Kemp (28)
Angel Pagan (31)
Aaron Rowand (35)
B.J. Upton (28)
Shane Victorino (32)
Right fielders
Matt Diaz (35)
Andre Ethier (31)
Torii Hunter (37)
Carlos Quentin (30)
Ryan Spilborghs (33)
Ichiro Suzuki (39
A better trading partner would be the Phillies. Swisher for John Mayberry Jr.
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No way, Swisher for Dom Brown
“No way, Swisher for Dom Brown”
This. And sign Beltran
Not at all LGY
Especially after your comment about Canadians.
Your correspondent is an idiot.
better trading partner would be the Phillies. Swisher for John Mayberry Jr. in a New York minute.
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108stitches-
At first I thought that would be a bd trade for the Yankees. After looking at Mayberry’s 2011 stats, that would be a terrific deal. in 267 ab’s he had a .513 SLG%[led the Phillies] with 15 homers, 17 doubles. Hit .273 overall,.306 vs lefties, .250 vs righties. Working with Kevin Long that BA vs righties might improve.
Like this trade!!!!!!
Sorry, Erin-Luella Parsons but, you’ve been scooped by GB7-Rona Barrett at 7:30 AM.
GreenBeret7 October 13th, 2011 at 9:35 am
Sorry, Erin-Luella Parsons but, you?ve been scooped by GB7-Rona Barrett at 7:30 AM.
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I’m slacking this morning!!
Nope. Markakis looked like a young Paul O’Neil for a bit, but has since regressed or maybe should say hasn’t developed. He is a tweener very much like a Swisher. He would hit 7th or 8th in this lineup, play good defense, be solid, but not exciting. I cannot see how you give up Montero’s bat at his age, control of his contract and upside ability to bat cleanup going forward when Markakis has no shot of sniffing 1-5 on this team going forward.
Erin, you can be replaced by the great TV personality and gossip queen, Ms Piggy of tv station KSTY.
GreenBeret7 October 13th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Erin, you can be replaced by the great TV personality and gossip queen, Ms Piggy of tv station KSTY.
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Well, that’s an awesome replacement, so I’d be OK with that.
Erin, I posted that with you in mind, knowing that it would start your day off with a cup of coffee and a giggle.
We may be down on Swisher because of the end of the year and his postseason, but he is a far superior talent than Mayberry Jr. 55 ks in 267 at bats, 26 walks, he’s a non prospect and a fillin OF, he’s 27 now so no upside and they kept playing Ibanez
108stitches-
One other thing. Mayberry hit .299 post AS game. However he did play some 1st base, and maybe that’s the Phillies plan- to use him there until Howard comes back in 6-7 months.
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I wouldnt trade for Mayberry because his 2011 is so out of line with his minor league numbers, even that year in AAA, that I wouldn’t look at him as easily repeating his line. Also we need to get better vs RHB not left.
GreenBeret7 October 13th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Erin, I posted that with you in mind, knowing that it would start your day off with a cup of coffee and a giggle.
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awesome way to start the day. Thanks GB
lolololololololol.
Must have been an Orioles fan who sent you that email.
And seriously, why are people looking to trade Swisher? Especially for guy who has been worse for a few years (Markakis) and somebody much worse (Mayberry)?
Pick up the option which underpays him, watch him have another good season, and then get draft picks when he leaves after the season (because I would not extend an OF long term in his 30s).
As Comic Book guy would say “Worst trade ever”
But seriously since the season ended Chad has made numerous comments about trading Montero. What gives?
You’re most welcome, Erin. Ms Piggy couldn’t do your job on here. She’s too busy chasing frogs
I don’t want them to…..but the Yanks would survive if CC walked. They’d have about 50 million tonsoend and there are a lot of ways they coukd use that either this winter or next.
There also is no need to make the trade. If you let Swish walk, sign Grady Sizemore, hurt yes, but will be a bit removed from the micro fracture now, he is still young, dynamic, much like Granderson. Take a chance like you did with Martin on a two year deal. He has speed and power when healthy. In Yankees stadium I think he gets back to 30+ homer pop. And you keep Montero. You would have to feel comfortable that Maxwell, Curtis or Nunez could play the OF if he went down though.
I mean I don’t want him to
A Montero trade is often mentioned by Chad because that’s all anybody in the media and especially on here is all they talk about. Don’t blame Chad. The uninformed have made it a trending topic.
This is the single most hilarious trade proposal in the history of trade proposals
Better risk ….Sizemore or Beltran. I say Beltran. Sizemore is younger but Beltran has actually shown he can still play and is NY tested. If I could have either on a 2 year deal Id choose Beltran
Triple Short of a Cycle October 13th, 2011 at 9:48 am
But seriously since the season ended Chad has made numerous comments about trading Montero. What gives?
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probably because everyone keeps asking him about it
sizemore has become an injury-prone expensive .210 hitter with limited speed. he’s no longer the love light in Cleveland.
Aww, I love when we’re all on the same page!
And this: “Surely better trade proposals have been submitted.” Blake, I gotta agree with you here, I feel like Chad should at least rep us a little better than this nonsense
Chip would absolutely do better than this lol.
I don’t mind Beltran. I still believe Swisher is important because he can switch hit, gets walk, has power and has proven to stay healthy in this lineup and stabilized it when we have had injuries. But if we had to make a move I would offer Beltran and Sizemore similar 2 years deal with a 3rd option year team controlled and see if one bites. Play it off each other. Beltran didn’t exactly help the Giants and is getting older as well. I only like Sizemore because I think potentially he creates more speed and could definitely breakout like Grandy did again hear. Beltran might look aged for a lot of the season and be in and out of the lineup.
I don’t want either Beltran or sizemore. I’d rather have an ulcer.
That trade looks awful. Maybe Swisher or Montero straight up, but I’m not sure why that trade would be made at all. As Chad said, Swisher for Markakis is a wash – you could even argue Swisher is just as good as Markakis by himself (Swisher slugs higher, their OBP is very close.. Markakis walks less but hits for a better avg – what does this mean?)
2011 – Swisher – 137/30/23/95/635 (hits,doubles,hr,bb,pa)
2011 – Markakis – 182/31/15/62/716 (hits,doubles,hr,bb,pa)
Markakis has 45 more hits in 81AB (clearly a superior contact hitter), but only one more double with that many at bats, with 8 less home runs. Add in the 33 extra walks Swisher has, and based on the 2011 data, we see that Markakis is a superior contact hitter, but has much less power than Swisher.
With the playoff woes that the yankees had with getting runners in, I could see how Markakis could be an upgrade only if you choose to look at that problem in that one game and disregard the other 162 games played up to that point.
Swisher for Markakis straight up is close to a wash, maybe a B level would need to be added because of Swisher’s contract status and older age to even things completely… but throwing in Montero screams that Brian Cashman had a lobotomy.
To the people who posted “yes” if the Yankees signed Pujols or Fielder:
Not gonna happen. The Yankees already have a huge contract at 1B, his name is Mark Teixeira. You do NOT pay that kind of money for a bat. (You also don’t pay that kind of money for Reyes – someone is going to give him stupid money and it is going to turn into an albatross contract really fast)
Collateral damage from the smear campaign against the old righties hit the young lefty so let the spinning commence……..
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I would rather sign David Ortiz on a short term deal than Fielder or Pujols.
And to clear that up, I don’t necessarily advocate signing Ortiz
pat -
Of course, since he’s the one they have to keep, they have to clean him up a bit.
If you let Swish walk, sign Grady Sizemore
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If you’re going to make that deal, letting Swisher become a FA, you might as well just talk to the Indians beforehand and have both teams pick up their club options and trade them for one another.
I would be very leery about signing Sizemore as a FA, and being stuck with a multiyear contract. He was out at least two times this year with a recurring knee injury and then surgery for a sports hernia.
heyman_sux October 13th, 2011 at 10:01 am
I would rather sign David Ortiz on a short term deal than Fielder or Pujols.
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Ugh. As GB said, I’d rather have an ulcer.
GB
“trending topic”??? When did you become a twitter follower?!!!
Shame
After careful consideration, I think you should take over Roll Call
The Phils aren’t letting Mayberry Jr. go for Nick Swisher. And as Jerkface pointed out, Mayberrry Jr. plays LF.
upstate kate October 13th, 2011 at 10:02 am
GB
“trending topic”??? When did you become a twitter follower?!!!
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UGH!!! Like, gag me with a spoon. I read the main baseball twits….but, only about 10% are useful.
As proposed, would not make a deal but just because Montero is included. Swisher for Markakis, I would do, but not to include Montero. Any way possible to convert Montero to a RF?
Watching the 2nd round of the playoffs and seeing the names that are suppose produce–actually produce–Cabrerra, Hamilton, Cruz, Fielder, Braun, Pujolos, and even Berkman makes the non production of Arod, Tex and Swisher even more annoying.
Not NO, but HELL NO ! Why include an elite prospect in a trade for 2 guys that many view as a wash ?
Outside of Montero, this trade brings up a good question. Which is more valuable: elite defense and good offense, or better than average offense and average defense ?
The defensive difference between the 2 is not enough to offset Swisher’s better offensive line.
Keep Swisher.
Mayberry plays both corners as well as some tine in center. He also has some decent speed. Philly won’y do a straight trade, but, they’re in need of a corner infielder and a replacement for Utley. Utley’s numbers are dropping.
Erin October 13th, 2011 at 10:02 am
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IDK, i see the logic behind signing him – at least, when compared to signing a DH/part time 1b for $200mil
“I’d rather have an ulcer”
Why would you rather have an ulcer than a player that can hit RHP?
Mayberry Jr is a 4th OF at best. Swisher would be tremendous for the Phillies. 25+ home run power and would bat higher in that lineup. They would be crazy not to make that trade which is why I would never do it. Mayberry Jr. is no where close to even a Franklin Guiterez who would be a far better defender and have better pop.
I still like Swisher a lot and think he bounces back next year, but if the Yankees feel they need to make a move somewhere I guess it is with him.
I say next year the best option for Yankees offense change up the lineup and get Montero in there.
Don’t think the Phillies will trade Mayberry anyway. Not with Howard’s torn achilles…
And not to take anything away from Swisher, but no way would the Showalters give up Markakis straight up for Swisher! Swisher is over the hill and Markakis still has a few good years left in him.
The Showalters have no need for Montero since they have Wieters and you do not make Montero someone’s back up catcher. So Montero would turn into a valuable trade piece for them.
And as someone pointed out, Markakis, though an upgrade over Swisher (IMO) hasn’t been all that great so why give up great stuff for him (Montero).
blake October 13th, 2011 at 10:11 am
?I?d rather have an ulcer?
Why would you rather have an ulcer than a player that can hit RHP?
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Because words cannot describe how much I hate David Ortiz. So there.
And I think if Swisher’s “shortcomings” are of the post-season variety, we have what proof that Markakis would be any better when it “counts?”
Oh my goodness kate I’d be honored!! I am fairly loud and obnoxious. Those seem to be the only job skills necessary.. but I suspect there are lots of creature politics to deal with. If I had the resources to be at 81 games a year I would be 100%. I’m sad to see Vinny go, his blog was so sad
My wife would make the trade. She ranks Markakis #2 in hotness only behind Jeter.
I, however, would not make that deal. Not even close.
Those guys would give me ulcers all season..
How about Swisher/Betcances/Romine for Either/Aaron Miller and Kuo??????
blake October 13th, 2011 at 10:11 am
“I’d rather have an ulcer”
Why would you rather have an ulcer than a player that can hit RHP?
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One isn’t signing for less than 3 years and $12-$14 mil a year and the other is a cripple. Exactly what help would that be? Neither one runs the bases any more. Amd, of course, you have to hope that either one doesn’t get any worse physically than they already are.
I don’t move Montero unless I’m get a front of the rotation starter. Period.
And I agree with those above, also only if they then would sign Fielder to DH.
Either
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Plays atrocious defense. Like some of the worst you’ll see from an OF. Pass. He is legitimately worse than Swisher by a mile.
Is this all we have to talk about today? What about signing Albert Pujols and letting the Cardinals have Tex to play first in a cut-price deal? I want players on the roster who can perform in the post-season when the pressure is on. Fat Albert is so clutch compared to the likes of Tex and A-Rod.
Erin,
I would rather have an ulcer myself than Ortiz….I was talking about Beltran
Defense isn’t a concern if we are worried about offense. He’s still 29. He’s hovered around .290ish for his career, some pop in that bat which would go up in this ball park, I think he fits in quite well. Also is highly coveted by the Sox and his friend Dustin so they would love to grab him and stick him in RF.
blake October 13th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Erin,
I would rather have an ulcer myself than Ortiz?.I was talking about Beltran
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ahhh…I see.
Carry on.
Defense isn’t a concern if we are worried about offense.
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And for offense he is a platoon hitter that can’t handle lefties at all and I would be weary of his injuries.
If there is a dodger OFer I want its Kemp. Especially if you are putting Betances in the deal.
“One isn’t signing for less than 3 years and $12-$14 mil a year”
Well that would be a deal breaker for me too….all Im saying is if they could get something valuable for Swisher …..and id they could sign Beltran for 2 years or less then Id be untreated in doing that. Two big ifs but something to check into anyway….Beltran wanted to give the Yanks a discount once before.
Would I make that trade? Not in a million years. The difference between Swisher and Markakis isn’t that huge. And then add to it Montero and you have the O’s getting a steal. Now if you would throw in one of the O’s better pitching prospects and the Yankees throw in someone then maybe we could talk. But I don’t want to trade Montero, especially interdivision!
I wouldn’t be completely opposed to Beltran but you have to get him for a decent price.. the price of a platoon player because thats what he’d be. And I don’t think Beltran gets/wants platoon player money.
Don’t think you pry Kemp away who was in the running for the triple crown. Being realistic. Nobody is giving you much back for Swisher, got to give something to get something. And he isn’t a platoon guy. His lefty splits are not great but neither were Granderson’s. You get the talent and let Long work on that.
Now if you would throw in one of the O’s better pitching prospect
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These don’t exist. Orioles pitching prospects exist in 1 of 2 states: ‘Prospect’ and ‘Bust’
. “He is legitimately worse than Swisher by a mile.”
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I wouldn’t make that trade that was proposed because you’re giving up way too much…..but Ethier is a lot better hitter vs RHP than Swisher.
.321/.410/.486/.878 vs RHP in 2011. You also figure that those power numbers may increase with the short porch.
Problem is that he is awful value lefties so you’d have to platoon him…..get Ethier and platoon him with Swisher
And he isn’t a platoon guy. His lefty splits are not great but neither were Granderson’s.
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.309 .386 .523 .909
.242 .302 .359 .661
Last 2 years he hit .233 and .220 vs lefties. Thats a platoon guy, definitely. He is a non factor vs lefties. And sorry, but not everyone can get magicked out of a wicked platoon split. Granderson also brought plus defense and base running to the team. You’re only getting a bat vs righties with Ethier. And only for 1 year.
Beltran would play every day for the Yanks so long as he’s healthy. He’d be their 2nd or 3rd best hitter vs righties
Meant worse by a mile on defense, Blake. For all the trash Swisher gets thrown his way for his defense he is actually average to above average defensively. Ethier not only takes bad routes and has a stone glove, but he makes up for it by being slow in the field as well!
JF,
Agree there…..Swisher has improved defensively and Ethier is bad. Id rather have Swisher for a year than Ethier unless I coukd have them both and platoon them.
The Phils have committed to Mayberry Jr. in LF. The kid has a lot of power and at the end of the season he was a hitting machine. They’re not letting him go anywhere unless some team offers an outrageously stupid deal.
No I don’t do this trade.
I like Markakis but he’s been declining offensively for a while now – whether that’s a result of him not being that good or teams pitching around him due to weaker bats in the order I don’t know.
I also think it makes the team too left handed (which is why I would also probably cross Choo and Ethier off my list)
And of course – Peter Angelos loves Nick Markakis and would never agree to trade him, much less to the Yankees.
blake – I guess I just don’t trust that Beltran can play every day and stay healthy.
They’re not letting him go anywhere unless some team offers an outrageously stupid deal.
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Not sure why you think the team is beholden to a .700 OPS minor league prospect that they couldn’t find even 300 PA for.
blake October 13th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Beltran would play every day for the Yanks so long as he’s healthy. He’d be their 2nd or 3rd best hitter vs righties
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I like Beltran too – but the problem I have is that you’re now talking about adding another +35 player with injury woes. He would join Alex as a guy you would have to DH a couple of times and with the team likely to keep Martin that means fewer at bats for Montero too. So is the differential between Beltran and Swisher good enough to justify less time for Montero? I’m not sure.
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Jerkface October 13th, 2011 at 10:35 am
They’re not letting him go anywhere unless some team offers an outrageously stupid deal.
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Not sure why you think the team is beholden to a .700 OPS minor league prospect that they couldn’t find even 300 PA for.
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Because the second hardest thing in baseball to find after good starting pitching is right handed power. The Yankees believe that they have another Miguel Cabrera in the making with Montero.
Because the second hardest thing in baseball to find after good starting pitching is right handed power. The Yankees believe that they have another Miguel Cabrera in the making with Montero.
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??? I’m talking about Mayberry Jr ???
Because with constant playing time, Mayberry Jr. turned into a hitting machine. Amaro’s already committed to him in left next season.
Would you do:
Swisher, Hughes + Montero for Justin Upton, Paul Goldschmidt and Joe Saunders?
The D’Backs would have to convert Montero to 1b for it to work for them (since they already have a pretty good Montero working behind the plate) thus making Goldschmidt expendable – he comes here where he’s a nice little bat for the bench/DH spot.
Upton is obviously an upgrade in RF
Saunders is a guy that the D’Backs are going to consider non-tendering due to the money he’s slated to make.
Put Hughes in the NL West and maybe he thrives like Ian Kennedy.
Jerkface October 13th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Because the second hardest thing in baseball to find after good starting pitching is right handed power. The Yankees believe that they have another Miguel Cabrera in the making with Montero.
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??? I’m talking about Mayberry Jr ???
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My mistake.
Frankly I would probably do the Hughes/Swisher/Montero for Upton and Saunders with or without Goldschmidt.
John Mayberry Jr. did not hit above .268 in any level of the minor leagues. The minor leagues!!!!! isn’t it much more likely on limited time he hit a hot streak. Are we serious? The guy is not good. I would rather play Dickeron or Maxwell every day.
Amaro’s already committed to him in left next season.
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Committed? Not in a ‘would have to be stupid lopsided to trade’ way. 28 year old with less than 400 PA in his career who had 2 hot months after years (and half a season) of being average.
Frankly I would probably do the Hughes/Swisher/Montero for Upton and Saunders with or without Goldschmidt.
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No thank you, sir
2010 JM Jr. .267 15 hr 65 rbis 111ks in AAA with 39 walks.
The guy is 27 on top of it so not a young guy at AAA
In comaprison Robinson Cano is 28
I disagree. They like what they see, especially with regular playing time, and he can also play 1B. With Howard hurt, he’s not going anywhere.
Interesting question posed by Craig Calcaterra on HardballTalk:
given that he was basically run out of Anaheim because Scioscia didn’t like his defense — and given that one could argue that the falloff from Napoli to Mathis made the difference in the Angels’ season, you have to wonder what Scioscia is thinking watching Napoli this season and post season.
And I would throw in the fact that in getting rid of Napoli (whom I have always liked) they took on Vernon Wells and his massive contract that could hamstring them for at least this offseason.
“28 year old with less than 400 PA in his career who had 2 hot months after years (and half a season) of being average.”
This could be his last hurrah. But he’s going to get it.
heyman_sux October 13th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Frankly I would probably do the Hughes/Swisher/Montero for Upton and Saunders with or without Goldschmidt.
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No thank you, sir
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And why not good sir?
You’re kidding, right? No way do I make that trade.
Phillies need a player like Swisher. Deal him for Mayberry plus. And, if Amaro gets off his 4-aces kick, enlarge it to include Hamels.
I know, easier said than done.
GreenBeret7 October 13th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Mayberry plays both corners as well as some tine in center. He also has some decent speed. Philly won’y do a straight trade, but, they’re in need of a corner infielder and a replacement for Utley. Utley’s numbers are dropping.
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Add Corban Joseph to the deal and sweeten it with the underachieving Andrew Brackman . The Yankees and Phillies are almost natural trading partners seeing as neither team achieved their ultimate goals and both have pieces that could fit each puzzle.
Chip
I saw Napoli interviewed somewhere (pregame maybe). I can’t remember his exact words. He made a pointed comment that he was glad the Rangers valued his defense. It must be satisfying to be in the playoffs while the team that had no use for you sat at home.
Upton is IMO a budding star, but his production is going to be approximated by Swisher. I’d rather have Swisher’s production + Montero, and hope Kemp makes it to free agency.
Not too keen on Saunders either. Mostly it would kill me to see Phil succeed in AZ, and have to watch he and IPK both headlining that rotation.
Swish plus David Adams and Adam Warren for Mayberry/Brown and Hamels.
Fills needs on each side.
This trade comes from George Costanza!
Interesting question posed by Craig Calcaterra on HardballTalk:
given that he was basically run out of Anaheim because Scioscia didn’t like his defense — and given that one could argue that the falloff from Napoli to Mathis made the difference in the Angels’ season, you have to wonder what Scioscia is thinking watching Napoli this season and post season.
And I would throw in the fact that in getting rid of Napoli (whom I have always liked) they took on Vernon Wells and his massive contract that could hamstring them for at least this offseason.
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Huh. This sounds vaguely familiar….
I think this trade proposal thread should be the litmus test for access to this blog.
If you say yes? No LoHud for you!
Chad, your post is a waste of bandwidth. If you’ve got nothing to write about other than some demented fan’s idea of a trade, then just take the day off.
Bronx Jeers-
Although, as bad as this proposal is, just the other day someone suggested Montero and A-Rod for Ian Kennedy. Which I honestly think I’ll be laughing about all winter.
Let’s face it, there is going to be limited justification to trade Montero for any position player that isn’t a Kemp, Justin Upton type.
If he’s moved it will be for pitching.
Any trades for a guy like Markakis would be for lesser minor leaguers and we all know the Orioles will not or at least have not traded with the Yankees because he hates the team.
Craig Calcaterra
Comeback Player of the Year goes to the player who “has re-emerged on the baseball field.” Bartolo re-emerged from the dead. Why he no win?
heyman_sux October 13th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Upton is IMO a budding star, but his production is going to be approximated by Swisher. I’d rather have Swisher’s production + Montero, and hope Kemp makes it to free agency.
Not too keen on Saunders either. Mostly it would kill me to see Phil succeed in AZ, and have to watch he and IPK both headlining that rotation.
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Kemp will likely make it to Free Agency, but what is to say the Yankees can’t have both Kemp and Upton?
Upton is 6 years Swisher’s junior and under contract for several years to come at what can only be described as a team friendly contract (at least by Yankee standards). By comparison, Swisher is under contract for one more year and will likely seek a tremendous pay raise after the 2012 season.
As for Hughes – well yes, it would pain me to see him succeed in Arizona, but if Upton is successful here it won’t be bad at all. Much the way I don’t mind Kennedy’s success because we ended up with an MVP candidate in Curtis Granderson.
Saunders is essentially a throw in, someone to offset some of the money that Arizona would be taking back in Swisher’s contract. For all his mediocrity, he wouldn’t be a terrible option for the back of the rotation to join AJ Burnett – think of him as Freddy Garcia 2012, but left handed.
I could envision the Yankees, even with Justin Upton, making a run at Kemp in the winter of 2012/2013 and opening the 2013 season with an outfield of Kemp, Granderson and Upton.
Not following why John Mayberry Jr. keeps being brought up as a legitimate option as the starting RF???
He can fill the Andruw Jones role but that’s about it.
Why is it that teams with role players while we have all stars at every position still are playing?
There seems to me a certain mix on each team alive that allows flexibility in the lineup.
Chad, whoever gave you that trade was goofing on you…
Saunders is no where near as good as Freddy Garcia was. He was half a run worse in an easier league to pitch in.
Don’t understand why people are still looking at Domonic brown. It was already announced that they want him to spend next season at AAA.
Don’t understand why people are still looking at Domonic brown. It was already announced that they want him to spend next season at AAA.
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Thats why you trade for him. An unconvinced front office looking to win now.
FakePeteGammons #Redsox will sweep post season awards because the voting media are Boston fanboys. Suck it fans Under the monster, this is Peter Gammons.
should be a comma after players, while….and after position, still are playing.
dont want to confuse you with bad grammar.
Jerkface – Brown posted a .760 OPS over 174 PA at the Triple-A level this season. They are unconvinced because he is unconvincing.
The only problem with Ellsbury winning Comeback POY is that he was never that player before. I get he missed practically a whole season and had a MVP-caliber season this year. But I assume Comeback player is someone who has had success before, failed or was injured and CAME BACK to be the player he was before.
Villa Nova- Feinsand is saying the same thing:
BloggingBombers Obviously Ellsbury’s season was superior. But he had NEVER had this type of season. He’s 28. This was his BREAKOUT season, not a comeback.
Ellsbury also never had a “down” season, being out of games with broken ribs doesn’t really count.
Big shock though, BBWAA getting it wrong. Never would have guessed.
Erin -
Exactly!!
pat October 13th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Craig Calcaterra
Comeback Player of the Year goes to the player who “has re-emerged on the baseball field.” Bartolo re-emerged from the dead. Why he no win?
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If Bartolo had a second half like his first half then it could be justified him winning. As it was, I believe the writers got it right on this one.
Jerkface – Brown posted a .760 OPS over 174 PA at the Triple-A level this season. They are unconvinced because he is unconvincing.
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All the more reason to buy low. He had a near .400 on base and much of his offensive regression can be blamed on his hamate bone injury, which takes a year+ to recover from. He hit .346 .390 .561 .951 in AAA the season before.
Sounds like they wanted to give Ellsbury something (probably won’t get MVP), and there is no award for Breakout Player of the Year (I don’t think?)
Jeter was more of a “comeback” candidate than Ellsbury.
“Did this idea come from Laura??”
No, Erin. Markakis is a true hottie, but he’s not worth giving up Montero.
JCPD -
I can see your point about Colon’s second half. But the whole spirit of the award is for an established player who basically gets back on track. Ellsbury was never an established star. Heck no one knew whether the Red Sox were even going to keep him around.
That is the worst trade idea I have ever read!
Laura-I didn’t think so. But I had to ask.
“Laura-I didn’t think so. But I had to ask.”
I understand. I’d still like to run into him in a dark alley though.
Jerkface October 13th, 2011 at 11:18 am
Don’t understand why people are still looking at Domonic brown. It was already announced that they want him to spend next season at AAA.
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Thats why you trade for him. An unconvinced front office looking to win now.
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Would rather trade for Logan Morrison – there you have a front office that just doesn’t like the kid’s attitude (which is strikingly similar to that of Swisher)
Craig Calcaterra
Porn and Chicken? RT @TheHappyRecap Al Leiter just admitted that there was a porn room at Shea Stadium in the clubhouse.
TMI but since I had to know this so did all of you. A clubhouse really is like no other work environment.
1) Swisher put up better numbers than Markakis did last season. Swisher had a higher OBP and more home runs than Markakis, who has only hit more than 20 homers twice in his career, and not since 2008.
2) The only reason one would make this trade is because Swisher hasn’t performed in October, but neither has Markakis: He has never played in the postseason before and there’s no guarantee he’d be better than Swisher.
3) Markakis has 0 gold gloves, 0 all-star appearances, he’s not fast and doesn’t hit for power or for an exceptionally high average.
4) The Orioles are currently paying Markakis $11 million per year for the next three seasons.
Not worth it, no brainer.
whoever came up with this trade must be an Orioles fan.
pat -
Oh, my. I have to forget you told us that….
Really.
Villa – while I agree he was established in the true sense of the word, he did hit .280 and .301 in his first two full seasons in the league. I’m not sure if whether the Sox were going to keep him around has anything to do with it. I mean, in the future would you exclude Montero from any awards because he has seemingly been dangled in a few trades already.
pat- LOL
I love Leiter, but yeah, that’s TMI.
pat October 13th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Craig Calcaterra
Porn and Chicken? RT @TheHappyRecap Al Leiter just admitted that there was a porn room at Shea Stadium in the clubhouse.
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Was it named after David Cone?
Of course I wouldn’t make this trade. No one with an ounce of baseball intelligence would either. In fact, I’m upset I had to waste two minutes of my life reading this stupidity…..
Where do people come up with this nonsense?
Cashman would never make that trade. Not worth refuting, even.
My one concern here on Montero remains Girardi. It became even more troubling when Girardi, unprompted, waxed poetic about Martin before the media. We had just lost a series, and he figured that provided the appropriate backdrop to express how much he admires his new catcher. That was a little out of balance, IMO.
Was he pre-empting, in his mind, any notion that we would let Martin walk? If he was, that’s protesting too much; I don’t think many fans would assume he wouldn’t be re-signed. A little over the top, I would say.
But what is concerning is that the out of sync ardor may mean they might move Montero, getting rid of any potential controversy about how much time he should get behind the plate, or pre-empting any debates about who should be the starting catcher.
Because once it’s clear that the world will not come to an end when Montero catches, and once he exerts a larger sample size of his insanely good bat, those protests will become louder from the segment of the fan base that understands how valuable his production is from the catcher position, & perhaps even the anticipation that if the team gets back to the WS, he needs to be the starting catcher in games in NL parks.
Right now, Girardi talks the talk about Montero, about his bat and his development next year… but if he’s fallen so in love with Martin, I don’t trust him to not turn a blind eye to who really matters more to this team’s future and championship goals…
At least Leiter said the room was in the clubhouse, and not the bullpen. I’m lookin at you, David Cone
“I like Beltran too – but the problem I have is that you’re now talking about adding another +35 player with injury woes. ”
Short term as a stop gap though…..im not going past 2 years.
Ill tell you what Scisoca is thinking…..yea he rakes and threw out all those guys…..but did you see him cost them that pitch because he didn’t frame it properly. Mathis is wonderful
New Post: Second guessing Joe Girardi
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Girardi has also waxed poetic about Montero. I fully expect Montero to be the DH/BUC next year. I fully expect that Montero is a big part of the team going forward, and nothing Girardi has said makes me think otherwise.
Do I think Montero will ever be the FT catcher? I have no clue. Seeing what has transpired w/ Joe Mauer makes me wish that he doesn’t. That bat is too good to waste.
stupid idea.
Can I get that person’s email address? Whoever proposed that deal, I have something to sell them.
I just threw up in my mouth
Why not Lincecum & Cain for Posada & AJ. You always want something great for your over the hill players.
Hell no. Even Swisher for Markakis straight up is a bad deal. Markakis has been an inferior player to Swish for the last 3 years, costs more next season and is still signed to be way overpaid for 2 more years after that. If you trade Montero, it needs to be for a young elite starting pitcher, not a mediocre overpaid corner OF. This trade would be absolutely insane for the Yankees to make.
Oh, and doing this trade would increase the Yankee payroll, making it even less likely to sign Fielder (as some here have suggested). No chance the Yankees sign Fielder anyways, they can’t block the DH slot for the next 8 years with ARod signed for 6 of those years.
OMG, that has to be the dumbest trade idea I’ve ever heard, and I’ve heard a lot of dumb ones. It’s questionable that you’d trade even Swisher straight up for Markakis, based purely on their regular season numbers, let alone throw in your top prospect, a guy who has monster potential. Whoever came up with this must be on crack. And if this is all it takes to get your proposals into the blog, well, let’s just say it must be a slow news day at the Lohud.
I like this trade. swisher is a good player, but his defense is horrendous. Markakis is not as good as a hitter as Swisher, but that Short Porch will certainly help him.Meanwhile, Jesus Montero MAY seem like a high price, but he’s no sure thing.
To tell you the truth, Montero is overrated. I like Gary Sanchez better. And to those who say For Matt Wieters coming with Markakis for Romine and Swisher, that deal is way overblown. Montero s a better hitter than Wieters, But IS A LOT worse defensively than him.