Another quiet week for the Yankees
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 23, 2011 
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Two weeks into the Yankees offseason, most of the team’s activity has occurred behind closed doors. Brian Cashman and Billy Eppler met with the team’s pro scouting department this week to discuss the state of the organization and the outside targets that might make this team better.
In so many ways, the Yankees pro scouting meetings mark the first step toward next season. As Cashman said last week, these discussions set the team’s course for the next three-plus months.
For these past two weeks, though, things have been fairly quiet.
• Cashman is still waiting for a new contract, but no one seems concerned. It’s seemed inevitable that a new deal will be worked out by the end of the month. Cashman said last week that he might not even travel down to Tampa to negotiate.
• Joba Chamberlain’s recovery from Tommy John surgery is still progressing, including throws from 60 feet last week. He’s hoping to be on a mound before spring training.
• An easy call for the Yankees: They declined their 2012 option for Damaso Marte. Aside from the 2009 playoffs — when he was a significant piece of a championship — Marte’s time with the Yankees was a bust.
• We learned that Jesus Montero will not be playing winter ball this year, but Hector Noesi will be working as a winter starter and could compete for a rotation spot next season.
• Still nothing new to report on CC Sabathia, and Cashman indicated that he would not be in contact with the team’s pending free agents — Eric Chavez, Freddy Garcia, etc. — until after those pro scouting meetings, so things could begin to take shape in the coming week.
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Offering Garcia arbitration is a pretty easy decision IMO…..if he accepts then you get rotation depth at a reasonable price…..if he doesn’t then you get a comp pick (assuming all that stays the same).
Would offer both Chavez and Jones 1 year deals to play similar roles.
I think I would part ways with Bartolo feeling like I got the best of what he had left…..maybe he could do something similar next year but I find that much more unlikely than with Garcia……if he’d accept another ST invite then sure…..but if I were him I wouldn’t accept that after the season he had. Some team will probably offer him a guaranteed spot if he wants to pitch
Luis Nunez has really been smoking the ball in the winter leagues, .385, 4 doubls, 1 homer, 12 EBI. Bichettie is going to play ball in the Dominican for a few weeks.
Joelsherman1 23 Oct Pujols 3 HRs in last 3 ABs. Teixeira 3 postseason HRs in 121 ABs. #Cardinals #Yankees
That’s just mean Joel
any changes in the FA signings such as compensation picks won’t take place until after the next draft.
GB
Morning…..that’s probably true
Sherman forgot to mention that Hamilton has 1 homer in his last 78 PS at bats, and Ryan howard has 2 in 75 at bats..
I think it would be a shame if Pujols doesn’t stay with St. Louis.
I never “lusted” after Albert, because I always felt he would be a permanent fixture with the Cardinals.
We have Tex, and I was happy (very happy) with that signing. Do I hope he can raise his BA next season? Yes, absolutely. But otherwise, can’t complain.
Pujols is in a class by himself, but even he had a very very difficult first half of the season in 2011, and his overall numbers were down a bit over the season. He got hot at the very right time, didn’t he??
morning, Blake. That ruling on picks has already been decided.
“The bottom line is the team that had Lee is still playing, the team that couldn’t get Lee is done as is the team that DID get him.”
This Lee stuff is such nonsense. The Rangers made as strong a play for him as the Yankees did.
“morning, Blake. That ruling on picks has already been decided.”
That its not changing or not until next year?
Blake, Villa, GB, and anyone else now on board-
Good morning. Lots of talk about Darvish, Danks, resigning Garcia, etc.
Try being the Yankees GM, after the owners have told you to keep the payroll close to the 2011 opening day payroll, per Cots , of 207M.
Per my “exact” [crude] calculations- if Posada, Jones, Chavez, Garcia, Colon, Mitre, Ayala are not brought back, plus the savings of 3.75M by declining Marte’s option the team has 24.3M coming of the books.
From MLBTR’s-Robertson, Logan, and Chamberlain should all come in under $2MM. Gardner looks to be in the $2.4-3.3MM range for his first time through. Hughes will get a mild raise, perhaps to $3.4MM or so. We have Martin around $5.2MM.
Then there are raises due Jeter, Cano, Soriano, Granderson, Swisher, plus Sabathia if his salary goes from 23 to 25M. Save 2M on A-Rod. Thats 9M.
Roughly raises and arb settlements add 14.4M, maybe slightly more. 24.3M off the books less raises of the 14.4M rounded off- 10 M to spend
Cashman now told you have 10M to spend if you resign Sabathia for 25M next year.
Now go to work. Will Jones fit, or do you go with Maxwell/Laird/Nunez/ Dickerson as part of the bench?
Want Garcia back-5M 1 year?
Want Ayala back?-slight raise to 1M?
Can you get the Steinbrenners to bid on Darvish > 51M and then sign him for the 10M you have saved?
Trade for Danks and sign him for 8-9M.
Sign another FA lefty for bullpen @ 1.5-2M?
Any realistic guesses which way the Yankees will go?
Good morning.
My bet is on Pujols staying in St. Louis. He’s from the area, his family is ensconced there, and he’s out of the spotlight. The Cards will offer enough, after the song-and-dance, to get it done.
“Sherman forgot to mention that Hamilton has 1 homer in his last 78 PS at bats, and Ryan howard has 2 in 75 at bats..”
Hamilton is hurt though…..and Howards swing is about as bad as Tex’s from the left side…..its prettier but same mechanical stuff….down and up swing plane that makes him struggle against good pitching. Problem is that he’s even worse against lefties.
I think Pujols stays also, especially now that the Cards are in the WS with a chance to win. Wouldn’t be surprised if Holliday offers to restructure his contract to help resign Pujols.
Trader, that was a nice summary.
I think they stay in- house for the bench positions. What they do with Freddy will depend on their decision on Darvish.
They can always get help for the bench during the season. The question on pitching – and I think they’re counting on the farm to take care if the middle innings role – will be the tough one.
I believe STL will find a way to retain Pujols. Too much to be gained and lost by both sides on a parting of ways.
CC is priority 1, but not at any and all cost.
I invite both Garcia and Colon back on 1 year ML deals.
Ayala was a good fit for 2011 but unnecessary for 2012.
blake October 23rd, 2011 at 9:20 am
Offering Garcia arbitration is a pretty easy decision IMO…..if he accepts then you get rotation depth at a reasonable price…..if he doesn’t then you get a comp pick (assuming all that stays the same).
Would offer both Chavez and Jones 1 year deals to play similar roles.
I think I would part ways with Bartolo feeling like I got the best of what he had left…..
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I agree with you on bringing back Freddy. It’s a no-brainer to offer him arbitration. However, I also would bring back Colon, because I think that he may still have something left. Let’s not forget that Colon threw a boatload of innings in 2011, playing winter ball in addition to his work with the Yanks. With some rest this offseason, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see Bart come back strong next year. Obviously, money is an important factor here; I wouldn’t get into a bidding war over Colon. However, at the right price, Colon again could prove valuable insurance for the Yanks’ rotation.
Trader,
I try to get either Darvish or Danks and if I could somehow move AJ I go after both…..
Ghost,
Yea I could see that……to me though Id rather have Noesi in there building something for the future than to go with Colon again knowing that he may run out of gas. Bartolo will be 39 next year and I think league adjustment played a part in his 2nd half struggles as well……I just don’t see him repeating last year. JmO
Yankee21
Colon made .9M, Garcia made 1.5M + up to 3.6M in performance bonuses based on 30 starts. Sign them both with Colon getting let’s say 2.5M and Garcia 5M Now you have 2.5M to spend before you reach 207M.
if Holliday offers to restructure his contract to help resign Pujols. ….
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It would be even better if A-Rod, Jeter, and Teixeira agree to re-structure their constracts AND C.C. agree to a 50% pay cut so that we can sign both Pujols and Fielder ?
No ?
Yes ?
I think that the Yanks will pass on Darvish. The Yanks have no shortage of high-end prospects, and it makes very little sense to sink so much money ($50 million!) into acquiring another prospect like Darvish. The only way that the Yanks get Darvish is if Steinbrenner forces Cashman to do it. The most important thing for the Yanks this offseason is to bring back CC. I also would like to see them kick the tires on getting another rightfielder.
The challenge for NY is both of these SP will now be on the radar screen of other teams. NY will need to act quick with a one year guaranteed deals to have any shot of retaining them as both Colon and Garcia have real value.
Need to move AJ, find a way to make a deal with a team that is on the cusp and thinks they can turn him around… NY will probably have to eat some $ something they’ve shown a reluctance to do recently so probably not going to happen.
The homer Albert hit off Ogando was special……that was an upper 90s fastball up and in and he got to it no problem because of his swing……he’s got the best RH swing I’ve ever seen….he keeps the bat in the zone like a contact guy…..but is so strong and powerful that he hits homers.
I’m glad I’m not a GM, and I’m happy to be a mere spectator, without even venturing a guess about how the Yankees will do things this off-season.
I am conservative by nature, so, I don’t want too many changes, and I don’t think they need too many changes.
In past seasons, I’ve managed to at least be entertained by the myriad trade proposals, but for some reason, this season, they’re just annoying (so I scroll past, of course.
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yankee21 October 23rd, 2011 at 10:14 am
CC is priority 1, but not at any and all cost.
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The Yanks will end up retaining Sabathia at all costs. He’s too important to the team to let him walk, especially since front line pitchers are a little hard to come by.
They are having enough of a hard time trying to find a number two starter, so letting Sabathia walk is really taking a serious gamble because he can’t be replaced in this market.
Sabathia has the leverage and he knows it. It’s a smart business decision on his part that any of us would do if we were in his position.
Red Robin October 23rd, 2011 at 10:21 am
if Holliday offers to restructure his contract to help resign Pujols. ….
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It would be even better if A-Rod, Jeter, and Teixeira agree to re-structure their constracts AND C.C. agree to a 50% pay cut so that we can sign both Pujols and Fielder ?
No ?
Yes ?
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I hope you’re kidding.
Darvish has dominated a league that’s better than AAA for 4 straight seasons and he’s 25 years old……now its not exactly the same because of cultural differences etc….and because its a lot more money. But if say Matt Moore were a FA after dominating the minors…..how much would the Yanks bid for his services?
I think it makes a lot of sense to make a strong bid to win the posting for Darvish ……then hold a strong line on the contract.
Blake-
Trading Burnett won’t be asy because of the limited NTC and he likes living near his home in Maryland. Let’s say the Yankees pay the Nats for instance, 15M of the 33M owed, making Burnett in essence a 9M/year pitcher for the nats and get back prospects not on the 40 man. This has to be done before opening day.
Can it be done?- now you have 1/2 or 7.5M more to spend for 2012.
I think NY will do everything they can to avoid CC getting to the point of opting out.
Not much time for that though, I believe there are several teams that would be willing to fork over 5 years/125m for a top of the rotation guy like CC while screwing NY in the process.
I think Albert needed last night for his legacy……..a signature moment. He’s been so consistently awesome in his career that nothing stands out…..before last night it was the homer off Lidge …..now he has an all time great moment to go with everything else.
Before he’s finished it could be a Williams, Pujols, Ruth, Bonds*, Gehrig conversation for best hitter ever.
Trader,
Its hard to discuss because we don’t know who the 10 teams on his no trade are. I would do that in a heartbeat if the Nats would…..my guess is the Yanks would have to kick in more money than that.
In my mind the ONLY thing the Yankees MUST do this off-season is get CC signed.
“In my mind the ONLY thing the Yankees MUST do this off-season is get CC signed.”
And not trade Montero
Yankee21-
If the Cardinals sweep the next 2 games, the Yankees must sign him before the 28th, next Friday. He’ll get at least 25M/year X 5 years. The issue will be the 6th and 7th years. Will any team give him 7 years guaranteed at 25M/year + NTC+perks he gets now?
YT, the only team recently that has shown idiocy in signing FA is the Nationals. So I wouldn’t be shocked if they went for it.
Doesn’t SF have Zito coming off the books soon? If yes, that ridiculous contract would free up some coin and CC could return to his HT and help SF dominate that division.
Blake-
Burnett may block trades to 10 teams EACH year! No guessing what those 10 teams are but the Yankees would have to go to him and his agent and tell them they want to shop him-give me the 10 teams on your list this year.
I think he’s back for one more year.
I really think the sleeper team for CC services is SF.
Yankee21-
Barry Zito-
12:$19M, 13:$20M, 14:$18M club option ($7M buyout)
option vests with 200 IP in 2013 or 400 IP in 2012-13 or 600 IP 2011-13
if 2014 option vests, Zito may opt out & receive $3.5M buyout
full no-trade clause
What separates Pujols from a lot of other hitters is that because he has no weaknesses in his swing …..the quality of pitching he’s facing doesn’t affect him…..his career splits vs LHP and RHP are nearly identical. Cano is similar…..he just doesn’t have Albert’s plate coverage and discipline.
YT, thanks, didn’t realize Zito’s deal was still in place for a few more years.. unbelievable how stupid that move was…kind of ranks right behind NY re-signing Arod when he opted out, for 10 years/300 mil.
blake, in that regard, in his prime Manny was a similar hitter,, it didn’t matter who was pitching, he could hit anybody.
Trader,
That still leaves 20 teams to deal with….
Yankee21,
Yea he certainly was. Very similar …..
Blake and Yankee21-
Would you say that the following starting pitchers are virtually untradeable, unless the team eats most of the salary. feel free to add others.
Barry Zito
Carlos Zambrano
Derek Lowe
AJ Burnett
John Lackey
Jake Peavy
Johan Santana
Ted Lilly-added him 22.5M left on his 2 remaining years
Trader,
Yea….I actually think AJ and Lilly might be the most tradeable on that list. Everyone else either really really stinks or is hurt
Blake-
Got a trade for you. Kenny Williams wants major league ready players in return. You want Danks. He wants Hughes, Gardner, and Romine and offers you Carlos Quentin and John Danks . All of the players except Romine are arb eligible.
Do you deal.
YT; no way, no deal, I walk away
YT
That would be an awful trade for the Yankees.
Yankee21-
You want Danks. What’s your counter. Williams needs major league ready players at 3B, and 2B and wants Romine in AAA ready to step in for Tyler Flowers as a backup. He drops Gardner and asks for Nunez.
Players can file for FA 5 days after the World Series is over. Eventually Pujols stays with St. Louis and Fielder signs with the Cubs.
With priorities in order, Cashman will get C.C.’s new deal in place.
Too soon for rumors to be fueled with possible trades. Anytime after Thanksgiving with the meetings in December.
Teams will start making 40-man roster adjustments in lieu of additions through deals for when they happen.
My counter is not Nunez either. I offer up Romine, one of D. Adams /C. Joseph and B. Laird.
Tar-
I’d like Danks as a 2nd lefty in the rotation. You have to give Kenny Williams something. Both Morel at 3B and Beckham at 2B underperformed.
Make him an offer.
YT; by the way, I do not move Hughes this OS… I believe he will come up big in 2012 and I want that done in pinstripes…
Danks is not worth the loss of Hughes IMO.
As much as we like to hate on AJ Burnett, I don’t know that we have the luxury of trading him this offseason. With a rotation that consists of question marks where nobody is solidified except perhaps Nova, it’s important to have a guy like Burnett who you know is going to give you around a 4.5 ERA and close to 200 innings. That’s enough to win a lot of games on the Yankees and provide stability. Is he worth $15million? No way. But he’s still a valuable asset at #4 or #5 in the rotation.
Sad thing is, he’s probably our #3 right now. We’re really going to have to count on Hughes having a resurgence and Garcia/Colon resigning. If we don’t offer both Garcia/Colon *major* league deals, I expect them to walk. They’ve both earned them and will get them from someone if we don’t offer it. We can always release them and eat the salary. Garcia seems safer at 3-4m and Colon at 2-3m bc of his wear at the end of the season.
I go into battle with a CC, Nova, Hughes, Burnett, Garcia rotation. I even go into battle if you swap Hughes for Colon.
But going into battle without CC at the top is a horrifying situation for this team’s chances at the playoffs. CJ does not replace CC, either. It might be time to re-examine the Joba as a starter thing and give him some starts this coming season.
Too soon for rumors to be fueled with possible trades. Anytime after Thanksgiving with the meetings in December.
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108 stitches-
You’re right. My fault for starting any trade talk on this slow Sunday morning.
Anyway. Gotta go. Everyone have a great day.
Williams has made some predictably awful trades in recent years (ie: Rios, Peavy, and Swisher) so perhaps that trend could continue in a potential deal for Danks.
Trader,
I think that’s too much .
I coukd see Cash and Williams dealing…..pretty good fit on both sides there and Kenny will deal fairly and both he and cash shoot straight.
# yankee21 October 23rd, 2011 at 11:16 am
YT; by the way, I do not move Hughes this OS… I believe he will come up big in 2012 and I want that done in pinstripes…
Danks is not worth the loss of Hughes IMO.
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Is there any pitcher you would trade Hughes for?
Nothing etched in stone that deals get done at the Winter Meetings.
If Kenny Williams of the White Sox were to agree, I’d want to see how spring training shakes out and deal in mid to late March.
I’m inclined to see what physical shape Phil Hughes shows up as in Tampa before considering any deal for him.
I’d want to see if a deal can be worked out for Burnett which paves the way in decisions for Noesi, Garcia, or Warren competing as the No. 5 starter. With Burnett gone the Yankees are free to discuss a deal for Danks, sign Buehrle or any other way to strengthen to starting rotation.
A.A.Odds; yeah I’d trade Hughes straight up for N.Perez of TEX…probably would here a dead sound at the end of the call though…
Danks has a longer track record of starting success than Hughes and is only a year older……and Hughes only has one additional year of control. If it were 3 or 4 years of Hughes for 1 of Danks then that a different story…..but Id trade 2 of Hughes for 11 of Danks so long as not a ton has to go with him…..that said I don’t think Chicago will want Hughes…..they’d probably have more interest in someone they can control longer.
# yankee21 October 23rd, 2011 at 11:46 am
A.A.Odds; yeah I’d trade Hughes straight up for N.Perez of TEX…probably would here a dead sound at the end of the call though…
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lol yea Ryan and Daniels would hang the phone quickly
hang up*
If you’re calling Daniels then make it about the Profar as he’s blocked by Andrus and the Yanks need a future SS
I wouldn’t trade Romine’s career for 1 year of Danks. I’d rather trade Nunez. Romine has a far more open shot at a starting spot than Nunez IMHO. Nunez is a shortstop and Jeter will likely play for 3 more years. Romine could be the starter in 1 year.
If ChiSox ask for Noesi + Nunez + Cervelli for Danks, do you do it?
I do.
Sabathia
Danks
Nova
Burnett
Hughes
That’s a pretty darn good rotation.
Where is Nunez going to play for the ChiSox? Id trade Nunez for him but wouldn’t both he and Noesi…..and I think Chicago probably would prefer Romine.
Bret,
I also make that trade. Danks would be a big help.
Blake,
Eduardo Nunez could play 3b for them and switch to shortstop when Alexi Ramirez reaches free agency. He has 4 service years so he’s almost done over there.
There’s just no way I’d trade the career of a potential starting catcher for one year of John Danks. They’d probably demand Romine but I’d try to steer them towards Cervelli by adding Nunez + Noesi in the same deal.
Maybe that deal is slightly lopsided in favor of the ChiSox but starting pitchers will be hard to come by this off season so it should be easy for ChiSox to field offers that overpay for John Danks.
I can’t see a team giving up a promising catcher for 1 year of Danks though, despite the pitching thin market.
Bret,
The Yankees are deep at catcher and thin with infielders. Trading Nunez hurts the big league club now a lot more than Romine would……now I would trade Nunez but since that’s affecting my big league roster Im not sending a ton with him…..especially not Noesi.
I do think there are a lot of options for a deal between the 2 clubs and it makes sense for both of them.
Bret The Hitman October 23rd, 2011 at 12:04 pm
I wouldn’t trade Romine’s career for 1 year of Danks. I’d rather trade Nunez. Romine has a far more open shot at a starting spot than Nunez IMHO. Nunez is a shortstop and Jeter will likely play for 3 more years. Romine could be the starter in 1 year.
If ChiSox ask for Noesi + Nunez + Cervelli for Danks, do you do it?
I do.
Sabathia
Danks
Nova
Burnett
Hughes
That’s a pretty darn good rotation.
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Any Yankee rotation with Burnett in it is a 4-man rotation. Seen enough of his supposed “great stuff”. Heard enough of his “I can turn this around.”
Also, the Yankees need Nunez for more than SS. He’s working hard to improve his fielding in the Dominican League. He’s multi positional. Send Corban Joseph or Ramiro Pena instead. No deal with Noesi or Hughes
Also the whitesox would have to see Nunez as a starter for them longterm and Im not sold he’s that type player……maybe they think so.
[ Sigh ]
Unless some team sees Nunez as their starting SS…..he probably has more value to the Yankees as a super utility than in a trade.
If the White Sox dangle John Danks in a pitching thin market, it’s going to require a significant offer from the Yankees to compete with other offers. You can’t really discount the quality of competing offers out there.
Does anyone here think the ChiSox would have an especially hard time acquiring a young starter comparable to Noesi or even better?
Nunez is the only player that tips the scales IMHO. Shortstops and 3b are difficult to find. But since Nunez is a superutility player on the Yankees, the Yankees wouldn’t have to finding a starting middle infielder, they’d just need to sign a superutility guy. Nunez value to another team as a starter far outweighs his value to the Yanks as a superutility guy.
Romine has the potential to start at catcher in 1 year. Starting catchers are especially hard to find and Sanchez is in the low minors. Grooming him will be as much a process as it was to groom Montero. Romine is a major league ready backstop. No way I’m trading his career for 1 year of Danks.
“Does anyone here think the ChiSox would have an especially hard time acquiring a young starter comparable to Noesi or even better?”
For a rental? Who?
Blake,
The ChiSox would have to view Nunez as a starting infielder. But if you look around the league at the quality of shortstops or 3b, it’s not a stretch of the imagination to envision Nunez as a starter. His trade value as a starting infielder should therefore outweigh his value as a bench player.
I think the main question you’re overlooking is do the Yankees view Austin Romine as a starting catcher? If they do, they probably shouldn’t trade him for 1 year of Danks.
“I think the main question you’re overlooking is do the Yankees view Austin Romine as a starting catcher? If they do, they probably shouldn’t trade him for 1 year of Danks.”
Well yea….if they view him as the longterm catcher then no they shouldn’t…..be we don’t known that. They have Martin, Montero, Cervelli, Sanchez, JR Murphy etc all in the organization……its arguably their deepest position in the system. As I said…..either way it seems there are a lot of combinations possible between the 2 teams that coukd work for both sides.
Albert Pujols is showing what a team star is all about in the PS. Had he been in the middle of our line-up, we’d be playing for #28.
You can’t win in the PS when your 4-6 hitters fold their tents and disappear.
Wouldn’t shock me if Martin is the guy they want to play beside Montero longterm……
Blake,
The way I look at it is it’s easier to replace a superutility guy than it is to find a starting middle infielder or a starting catcher.
Somebody is going to want Cervelli too.
I think it makes a little more sense to deal him now and promote Romine. I wouldn’t pass on an opportunity to get some value for Cervelli. I think Romine is ready to train under Russell Martin.
Now maybe the White Sox don’t view Cervelli as a starter or Nunez as a starter but looking around at catchers, middle infielders and pitchers, some team is going to value those two as starters. And hopefully several teams are going to value Noesi as a starting pitcher.
Those are the three guys I’d look to move because all of them are replaceable on the Yankees while valuable and hard to find for other teams.
I think many here have placed an over value sticker on Danks…….
“Albert Pujols is showing what a team star is all about in the PS. Had he been in the middle of our line-up, we’d be playing for #28.”
Well yea but he’s one of the 5 best hitters ever maybe….
He’s also the same age Alex was when he had his incredible 2007 season and then signed an enormous contract…….as that showed things can change rapidly in a players 30s…..something teams need to be cautious of.
Pat M.
CJ Wilson is the top free agent. So, of course Danks’ value is inflated.
If the Yankees wait for pricetags on pitchers to come down, they’re never going to add a frontline or even a mid-rotation starter.
“October 23, 2011 at 12:37 pm I think many here have placed an over value sticker on Danks…….”
Why…..he’s a pretty good pitcher? Nobody is suggesting to trade Montero Betances or Banuelos for him. If he pitched the way he did in 08,09, and 10 with the Yankees then he coukd win 20 games.
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Pat M,
Anymore rumblings from your golf buddies or pool girls? Seems Frankie P agrees with you that the Angels could steal D. O.
“I think it makes a little more sense to deal him now and promote Romine. I wouldn’t pass on an opportunity to get some value for Cervelli. I think Romine is ready to train under Russell Martin.”
Why can’t Montero train under Martin?
Leave the poor billionaires alone.
What did they ever do to you (besides short trade your retirement savings, your kid’s college fund and your family life savings into oblivion)?
Blake,
He could. But do the Yankees view Montero as a ML-ready catcher? Do they view Montero as a career catcher? On the flip side, do they view Romine as a ML-ready catcher? Do they view Romine as a career catcher?
And even if the Yankees view Montero as a ML-ready catcher and a career catcher, doesn’t mean they should trade another one for 1 year of John Danks.
Don’t know why people are so hesitant to trade Nunez when Nunez simply isn’t that good.
Nunez would not be the sticking point for me when it came to trading for a pitcher.
I heard an ” Occupy Fenway Field ” movement is the plans to protest against the sad state of the RSN .
Cashman and Girardi want the Yankees as a team to have as much flexibility as possible with as many multi positional players as the roster can have. Austin Romine could possibly be a corner OF with some work. The entire Yankee outfield was multi positional in 2011. This is where Nunez fits in. Starting in 2012, Alex and Derek will see some time as a RH – DH along with Montero. Swisher can play a reasonable 1st base when Teixeia is used as a LH – DH.
Raymagnetic,
I feel the same way, especially if some teams value Nunez as a starting shortstop right now and with Jeter there for 3 more years and with superutility guys easier to find than starting pitchers.
Bret The Hitman October 23rd, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Leave the poor billionaires alone.
What did they ever do to you (besides short trade your retirement savings, your kid’s college fund and your family life savings into oblivion)?
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Please give it a rest. There are plenty of other forums for political discussions. Most folks that come here just aren’t interested in hearing these kinds of inflammatory diatribes.
“He could. But do the Yankees view Montero as a ML-ready catcher? Do they view Montero as a career catcher? On the flip side, do they view Romine as a ML-ready catcher? Do they view Romine as a career catcher?”
I don’t know. Those are questions only they can answer
,Austin Romine could possibly be a corner OF with some work. ”
Not sure he has a corner OF bat….JR Murphy might
Ghostwriter,
Inflammatory, of course. Noted. We wouldn’t want the billionaires to catch on fire.
Absent the Yanks moving AJ Burnett, I have a hard time seeing what the Yanks can do to improve their rotation this offseason. The Yanks essentially need a bridge to get them to the youngsters. This essentially leaves out CJ Wilson, who will require a several-year deal. Moving Hughes, Cervelli, and a low-level prospect to get Danks for a year has some appeal, but the White Sox’s other demands could kill that kind of a deal tough to consummate.
Kind of a side note but I watched a series of George Carlin YouTubes last night and I was kind of floored. He was way before my time but his insight way back when appeared to me entirely relevant today. He’s a hugely underrated comedian IMHO brilliant and one of the all-time greats. As ruthlessly cynical as he is, I found myself bursting out with laughter at his punch lines.
I guess I now understand why so many people were so sad to see him go and why so many people miss him. He was a great teacher and we all have some catching up to do. He was way ahead of his time.
Alexi Ramirez is signed through 2016 so I don’t see Nunez as a White Sox need. IMO, Nunez doesn’t have enough power for third base.
LGY posted the Yankee payroll for next year. I don’t see an expensive addition. They haven’t raised the payroll lately, and I don’t think they want to. As a result, I don’t see them as players for Wilson or Darvish. Maybe Danks at about $8M could work or someone in that price range.
If Montero is the primary DH next year I think they will carry a third catcher so they wouldn’t lose the DH if the catcher has to leave the game. That still leaves Cervelli and Romine for that role. I think one of them will stay and one will go.
I think they could add Darvish without raising the payroll…..if I won the posting I would tell him he coukd either play for 10 million a year or go back to Japan and go through it again next year.
Blake,
I hope you are right. Darvish would create abuzz in N.Y. in the off-season creating a chance for more income to be made. Last winter the feeling was of stagnation, and I don’t think that is a good business model. The Yankees have much competition in the entertainment marketplace, and excitement is a good thing.
George Carlin was genius.
Austinmac,
That stagnation fear led to signing Soriano…..hopefully if they feel like they have to do.something then its something that actually addresses a need. They have been talking about adding a pitcher for 3 years now so I feel like they will add somebody this winter…..don’t think it’ll be Wilson….either Darvish or a trade.