World Series Game 5: Cardinals at Rangers
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 24, 2011 
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Back to the aces in Game 5. Chris Carpenter outpitched C.J. Wilson in the World Series opener, and tonight one of those two could put his team on he verge of a championship. The Cardinals shook up their lineup with Skip Schumaker in center field. The Rangers are keeping the same lineup from last night.
• Despite Derek Holland’s dominant performance last night, the Rangers announced that Matt Harrison will be their starting pitcher if the Series goes seven games.
• Interesting question in the Morning News: How much does Carpenter have left? If he gets eight outs tonight, Carpenter will set a career high for innings pitched in a year, and at 36 he was the oldest pitcher to lead his league in innings pitched since Randy Johnson in 2002.
• Last night’s game drew 11.9 million viewers between 8-11 p.m. ET, which ranks as the FOX’s highest-rated and most-watched Saturday night since January 15.
• Demi Lovato is singing tonight’s National Anthem. Absolutely no chance I could pick her out of a lineup. None whatsoever. Is she the same thing as Hannah Montana?*
CARDINALS
Rafael Furcal SS
Allen Craig RF
Albert Pujols 1B
Matt Holliday LF
Lance Berkman DH
David Freese 3B
Yadier Molina C
Skip Schumaker CF
Nick Punto 2B
Chris Carpenter RHP
RANGERS
Ian Kinsler 2B
Elvis Andrus SS
Josh Hamilton CF
Michael Young DH
Adrian Beltre 3B
Nelson Cruz RF
David Murphy LF
Mike Napoli C
Mitch Moreland 1B
C.J. Wilson LHP
* Kidding. I know Hannah is the same thing as Miley Cyrus, but seriously, I have no clue who this Lovato person is.
Assocaited Press photo
GO CARDS!
If I were Chris Carpenter
and you were the Rangers
would you fall down like bowling pins
would you sense the danger?
Lovato has a nice pair of….vocal cords and good looking. If she can sing, who cares?
Go Cards! Go Carp! Beat Nolan Ryan and his homeboys!
Torey Lovullo sang the National Anthem?
Not sure that he meant how this looks, but, it doesn’t read well.
BloggingBombers Mark Feinsand
Does Jose Bautista believe he deserves to be the 2011 AL MVP? “Of course I do. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t be a person that liked myself a lot.”
Looks like the Angels are offering to make Friedman team president.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com
Though looks like Friedman will stay with the Rays, according to sources. I’d like to see Friedman stay in Tampa as long as it doesn’t mean we lose Oppenheimer.
CJ is back to his usual walking ways.
Looks like the Angels are offering to make Friedman team president.
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Blake-
Rays would probably want Mike Trout as compensation!
I think Cashman is getting closer to a deal, while also working on formulating a contract proposal for Sabathia and his agent.
The Angels, who met with Friedman last week, would hire a second executive to be the team’s general manager if the 34-year-old joins their baseball operations department.
The Angels have interviewed Jerry Dipoto of the Diamondbacks, Damon Oppenheimer and Billy Eppler of the Yankees, Rick Hahn of the White Sox and former GM Omar Minaya for the position. Kim Ng of MLB will interview this week and the Angels hope to interview Thad Levine of the Rangers after the World Series ends, according to DiGiovanna. Former GM Dan Evans also intrigues owner Arte Moreno and team president John Carpino.
The Angels asked for permission to interview Al Avila of the Tigers and Dan Jennings of the Marlins, but were denied.
Ah yes, a catcher who can hit. 1-0 Cards.
I really don’t want to hear the 1B coach…
CJW really has been struggling this PS
CJ just looks very hittable…..I wonder if something is up with him physically or if he’s finally experiencing some dead arm from the move from the pen…..his velo is down
2 walks for CJ and its the 2nd. I predicted 4+ tonight. Looks like he is on his way to it.
I’ve seen some terrible defense this series.
Two walks don’t help, but ugh on the D. Gardy & Tex make those plays.
That is the kind miscue/error that leads to run, which is labeled earned, but could easily not be a run if the defense does its job.
But I’m not liking CJW’s stuff. Though he is a cutie
Trader that’s an impressive list but considering that this is really the first time that Moreno is going outside the organization for such a high profile position I think it’s more about getting a feel for the process…….Arte has a short list of candidates that he really is seriously considering and on that list are guys with Bronx addresses…..
Nice catch.
I think Demi Levato is a singer for the New Pornographers?
I could be wrong about that.
It’s not often that club’s with juggernaut lineups have defenses to match it……That’s what made the 61 Yankees so incredible….75-76 Reds also come to mind as well……
Nice diving catch by Brosias… I mean Murphy
“uh oh”
I think Holland should take over in the booth.
Pat M. October 24th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
It’s not often that club’s with juggernaut lineups have defenses to match it……That’s what made the 61 Yankees so incredible….75-76 Reds also come to mind as well……
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Best left side of the infield defensively that I’ve ever seen was the 60s-early ’70s Orioles with Brooks Robinson and Mark Belanger.
Looks like the Angels are offering to make Friedman team president.
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Can we get a new team president?
Despite having a horrid mustache, good to see Derek Holland succeeding.
“Can we get a new team president?”
How about Cashman……makethe DO GM
Best left side of the infield defensively that I’ve ever seen was the 60s-early ’70s Orioles with Brooks Robinson and Mark Belanger.
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Sorry GB, but I’m going with Clete Boyer and Tony Kubek.
They’re making Holland work.
blake, good idea. Kick Cashman upstairs, and make DO GM.
Nice play by Beltre. He’s so quick on balls to his left.
Posted this earlier this afternoon.
About CJ Wilson- The first pitcher in history to lose All-Star, Division Series, LCS and World Series games in the same year.
Yankee Trader October 24th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Best left side of the infield defensively that I’ve ever seen was the 60s-early ’70s Orioles with Brooks Robinson and Mark Belanger.
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Sorry GB, but I’m going with Clete Boyer and Tony Kubek.
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Kubek was probably a better outfielder than SS and Boyer was at least Robinson’s equal. Ozzie Smith may have been better than Belanger but not by much. Like you, Trader, just my opinion.
GB-
Just a huge fan of Clete Boyer. Met him a number of years ago, before he died. Nicest guy. Gave me an autographed picture of him with Mantle and Maris. Spitting image of a young George Clooney.
Phew. Carpenter minimizes damage.
Yankee Trader October 24th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
GB-
Just a huge fan of Clete Boyer. Met him a number of years ago, before he died. Nicest guy. Gave me an autographed picture of him with Mantle and Maris. Spitting image of a young George Clooney.
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Boyer was a character. He should have been so much better as a hitter. I think Mantle ruined him and Bobby Cox.
Boyer was a character. He should have been so much better as a hitter. I think Mantle ruined him and Bobby Cox.
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What did Mantle do?-keep them out late at night?
GB……Belanger was so good on positioning himself and just had an incredible first step especially to his left……He was the guy I used to watch and study…He had this lanky range thing about him and just unloaded the ball so quickly…..Next to Jeter he was the best I’ve ever seen going back on dink popups……
Berky not happy, but it caught the black.
This is the autographed picture I have of him with Mantle and Maris.
http://phillymancave.com/shop/.....and-maris/
Boyer had a magnum for an arm……Tin Cup always shares some real great stories about Clete…..Man he would play so far off the line and seldom did anything get by for a double….He’d just chuck guys out from his knees…..
Here’s a list of top 10 best defensive SS’s of all time based only on GG’s won.
Rey Ordonez was #11.
http://thedugoutdoctors.com/20.....-all-time/
I met Clete at a kids ball game in Cooperstown 10 years ago. He was just watching some ball. I agree that he was a very nice man.
Yankee Trader October 24th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
Boyer was a character. He should have been so much better as a hitter. I think Mantle ruined him and Bobby Cox.
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What did Mantle do?-keep them out late at night?
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Boyer and Cox insisted that they were just babes in the woods until they ran into Mantle. Of course, blanchard said the same thing. Hank bauer talk The Mick well.
GB…..The Chairman of The Board always seems to fly under the radar and all of the players you named seem to point to Ford including Billy Martin as the guy…..
Pat, Boyer’s arm is what made him Robinson’s equal and probably better. He was a hell of a shortstop, too. he was better on playing bunt than even Robinson, Just sensational.
4 BB’s! Ding ding ding ding
Pat, Ford said he never had a drink before Mantle. he just went along to help Mantle get out of the cabs. Ford did say that he never drank the night before a start, though. he just doubled up the next 2 nights to keep up with Mantle and Martin.
Face
Nick Punto counts as 2 BBs
Texas defense is really shabby. Errors of commission and omission.
Looks like the next batter Wilson will pitch to is going to be holliday
Good grief LaRussa. Stop giving away outs. You can’t play for one run in this park.
He just walked Nick Punto on four pitches
Pretty bad when the Aaron award goes to a juicer like Bautista
During the off-season you can get outs from LaRussa for free.
Holliday’s been chasing a lot of pitches
Whack that baby!
I kind of live for this…
Nolan Ryan makes me want to vomit. I don’t care what he was in another life, right now I think of him as an arrogant fat pig.
Death by bunting.
I can also live with a 2-1 score in a game. That’s the way it should be in the postseason.
“Death by bunting.”
A new flavor of ice cream.
Ruth Ryan is still a very fine looking Lady…..Remember her and Nancy as the unofficial first ladies of NYC during the 1969 season…….Of course that’s not including Joe Willie’s companions which included Ann Margaret, Joey Heatherton, Farah Fawcett, Stella Stevens etc.
The story I heard goes that when Ford was a youngster, he went out drinking the night before one of his starts on the road. He then overslept, and got to the ballpark late, maybe a half hour before the game was to start.
As he walked into the dugout, Hank Bauer went up to him, pushed him up against the dugout wall, and growled “Kid – don’t mess around with my money!”
Ford supposedly went out and pitched a whale of a game, and never drank the night before a start again. He was terrified of Bauer.
CJW hasn’t had a dominating inning, but he did a good job of getting out of trouble in the 5th.
Lock, that was Tim McClelland karma…
The pitchers are having a lot of trouble fielding
Hi trisha!
Players who at this moment wish they had never moved to another team:
Cliff Lee
Carl Crawford
Players who at this moment are thrilled they aren’t with their former team:
Adrian Beltre
Victor Martinez
Teams that are kicking themselves for making the trades they did:
Beantown Suxters
Any additions?
Hi Lock!!!
YES!!!!! (a bannable offense with the former regime)
Players who at this moment are thrilled they aren’t with their former team:
Adrian Beltre
Victor Martinez
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Sir Lance
Roy Oswalt a free agent… didn’t he have some not so nice things to say about the Yankees not long ago?
106 pitches already for Wilson. FA $$$ and years diminishing per postseason start. However there will be some foolish club to give him 5/75 or more.
jacksquat-
Found this short article from 2010 on Roy Oswalt willing to waive NTC to play for NYY.
http://www.i-yankees.com/?p=21089
Thank you @Lacoste for hosting a great event for the launch of XL. Good to see @CC_Sabathia! http://yfrog.com/hsj3myywj
Oswalt’s velocity has dropped as has his effectiveness. Stay away.
Wilson, one earned run in 5 1/3, not bad. I know five walks, but two were intentional to Pujols.
Shocking coming from Gammons…..
pgammo
3 most annoying ballpark things:rally towels, people who hold up signs and block view of paying customers and “Sweet Caroline”
Tied game
pat,
Did you see what Kemp was wearing when he accepted the Hank Aaron award?
I don’t know what it is about Bautista, but looks like an a-h. Has that look, like that guy who got beat up as a kid a lot.
Lock – here’s my glass 3/4 full way of looking at that. It makes it even sweeter when the Cards come back and beat them.
Next Gammons will reveal that Neil Diamond was taking painkillers and drinking too much on tour.
I’m not a fan of what Beltre just did at the plate, but I’ll give him a pass this time. That was freaking impressive.
I can’t feel bad for Sux fans. After all, they have Youkilis.
Okay Carp, dig down deep. One more out buddy.
C’mon Carpenter… get this last out, please
There you go. No muss, no fuss.
YES… an at ‘em ball….
Poor widdle Wanger fans. So sure more wuns were on the way!
I can’t look at Napoli without thinking of Zach Galiafianakis.
trisha, you’re a real pi**er, lol…..
And this is where I have to feel sick to my stomach. My Alexi is coming into the game. So part of me wants him to do well, especially since he hasn’t done well to this point in the ALCS. And of course another part of me wants the Cards to put more runs on the board.
Is it too much too ask that Alexi gets the job done and the Cards lambaste whomever else comes in after him?
Joe, I am tough.
ogando looks like he’s pushing, not throwing, the ball. did he look like this during the season? i can’t remember.
I wish I could take Alexi home and then give him to the Yanks.
Yankee Trader October 24th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
jacksquat-
Found this short article from 2010 on Roy Oswalt willing to waive NTC to play for NYY.
http://www.i-yankees.com/?p=21089
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Hmm, I could be thinking of someone else, I thought it was him though.
trisha,
Can you take Kershaw home with you instead and then give him to me… I mean the Yanks
I think his slider always looked that way Joe, and his fastball always looked effortless.
jacksquat-
You still might be right. Oswalt could have changed his mind since that 2010 article.
it’s interesting that Sox people all the sudden think Sweet Caroline is annoying and silly…..
I, too, remember Oswalt saying something before he was traded. I think he backtracked a bit because he realized that getting off a really bad team and going to a really good team was a good thing.
Lock, he’s scary good. I’ll get them both and drop “Kershy” off to you. (He needs his Yankee nickname)
what what a horrible jump….what the heck is he doing right there.
Both Napoli and Molina rock like hell.
Terrible time to try and steal. Cardinals trying to give game away.
Is it the Cards mission tonight to take the bat out of Pujols hands???
Unreal.
m
Didn’t see Kemp but I’m guessing it was The Shirt.
Not sure if that was Craig or came from the dugout – but that was an inexcusably dumb play on so many levels.
It’s apparently the Rangers mission to take the bat out of Pujols’ hands…
bad move by craig. but, at some point, holliday has to step up after they walk pujols
You have to be 100% sure you’re making it to go right there.
blake,
Even if you’re 100% sure I’m still not sure if I like the play because you are then definitely taking the bat out of Pujols hands.
Open base – he’s definitely getting walked.
CB,
very true….as you said inexcusably dumb. You need Albert to hit right there
If Mike Napoli can throw out a runner in the world series, so can Jesus Montero. Get him the opportunity.
Wonder if Pujols could have made it.
What are the cardinals doing on the basepaths?
All up to Berkman now.
pujols lucky he didn’t pop something when he pulled up
“If Mike Napoli can throw out a runner in the world series, so can Jesus Montero. Get him the opportunity”
Mathis would have throw him out better.
Pujols would not have made it. Gardner would have.
That was crazy, yet good base running but Pujols…
Craig… If only
That CS was a huge play….terrible.
Ogondo’s command is poor tonight. The Cards really had an opportunity to end this game this innings. It’s put to Freese but that stolen base completely changed the inning.
If that was from LaRussa…
“It’s apparently
the RangersLaRussa’s mission to take the bat out of Pujols’ hands…”Fixed.
yeah, on the one replay, even with the bad throw home, pujols would have been out
cards cannot buy a hit with risp. where have we seen that before……
And Ogando’s command is off so Freese swings at 1st pitch.
The Cardinals screw around and cost themselves so many outs….
If the Cardinals lose the series they are really going to kick themselves.
They’ve played poor fundamental baseball.
i’m not sure it was la russa. after the play, they showed larussa talking to craig in the dugout. if i just called a play that backfired, i don’t know that i’d be wanting to talk about it.
I almost think that had to be a missed sign or something
Trisha,
Reference your question above, Napoli and the LAAs. What a fiasco that GM turned out to be.
It will be interesting, if the Cards lose, to see how LaRussa handles the question of who called for that base stealing attempt.
This woman is terrible…
Joe,
Not sure who thought Pujols could go 1st to home on a single.
Don’t think I could handle LaRussa 162 times a year.
I don’t think it was from LaRussa explicitly as a call. That play was just so dumb it’s hard to believe any manager would call it.
That said, it doesn’t really reflect well on the manager that his player would feel “empowered” to run on his own in that spot.
That literally is as dumb a baseball play as you can make.
Even if he’s successful in taking the bag the Rangers just walk Pujols.
There’s almost no upside. It’s pure risk.
Since the throw ended up on the firstbase side of the plate, I wonder if Pujols could have made it home if he kept running. We didn’t really get a shot of exactly where he was, just that he turned around and went back. I believe they said he was half way down the line.
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backbench – Napoli. OMG. My question would have to be, what in hell were they thinking?
“Don’t think I could handle LaRussa 162 times a year”
I know I couldn’t….he does crazy stuff that works sometimes but he’d drive me nuts
Joe Buck – “questionable bit of strategy…”
McCarver – “weird inning”
Just imagine if another team had played the inning that way.
Go Fox! Go cards!
Ogando’s control wasn’t all that bad at all, certainly not compared to what he showed earlier in this series.
Filthy slider though, hey?
Nobody here knows what happened with Craig. Smart money says wait to see what we find out rather than blame everyone including the batboy!
LaRussa leaving Carpenter in – that may be a questionable call and we know it’s not the batboy’s call. (though I don’t know his pitch count at this point)
Cardinals are now going to have to cycle through the weak part of their line up before it gets back to the guys who can hit (at least in theory).
Major advantage for the Rangers for the rest of this game with a tied score.
Carpenter keeps missing his spots this inning. Even the past two called strikes badly missed the targets.
Nasty pitch by Carp
Carp is a horse….out there with a bum elbow and keeping them right there in the game. He hasn’t really had it tonight but he’s made pitches when he’s needed to.
Andrus swung at a bad pitch. Carpenter’s 100th trisha.
And the third out comes on the 101st pitch.
Carpenter’s their best pitcher, he will come out again.
The difference between a manager being a genius and an idiot – the play being successfully executed. ~ Joe Torre
CB,
did you read the article by Joe Pos. today…..it was really good. Discussed McArver and Buck.
mel, interesting school of thought.
I was listening to some radio show and they were discussing Game 4 and Napoli’s place in the lineup. One of the people said that they thought Napoli should be batting cleanup and the other said that you wouldn’t see that happen because Washington is someone who manages as if it were a season game while LaRussa is someone who manages for the here and now.
Kind of like Maddon vs. Girardi.
blake,
I saw it. It was very good.
Rather than just sort of yelling at them or just calling them dumb with snark he made a controlled argument – and that made it much more biting.
They are awful. Its just torture.
The quality of baseball announcing compared to much of basketball and football is criminal.
almost an incredible play by Elvis. Gotta pick that over there…..
Teix would have had that.
When Ogando throws high it’s because he is intending to throw high.
That would have been one hell of a play!
Moreland is really not a good 1B.
CB,
I agree….I think McArver is just old more than anything and as was mentioned in the article he just doesn’t know the players and the current game as well as he could. Buck is just awful though….he acts almost disinterested and smug….like he’d rather be doing something else. I thought Francona was very good and refreshing as all the players and scouting reports were still fresh in his mind.
Girardi is hamstrung a bit by salaries & egos.
He can’t shuffle players or sit starters. And our positions are set. I don’t know these teams that well, but it seems like there’s a bit more plattooning than we’re accustomed to.
How many more years does Fox have the WS?
wish I could stick it to all the Jeter haters out there that say that anyone can make that jump throw that Andrus just butchered.
The quality of baseball announcing compared to much of basketball and football is criminal
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I’ve been saying for a year YES needs to hire Walt Frazier
Lord if that was a hit and run then it’s even dumber…..you’re going to hit and run with PUJOLS?…..
It’s funny. Last year we kept hearing about all of these strategic machinations about the Rangers – and specifically Chuck Greenberg.
People paid so much attention to his words, analyzed his intentions regarding Cliff Lee – all of those trips, etc.
Greenberg’s not a dote. The Rangers are going to be fierce – just look at how Greenberg has managed the organization, etc.
And the funny thing – he was always a complete figure head.
He wasn’t the guy with the money. He largely didn’t matter.
And now he’s been pushed aside and a year later isn’t even part of the franchise anymore.
blake October 24th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
CB,
did you read the article by Joe Pos. today…..it was really good. Discussed McArver and Buck.
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I read it. it was a decent write-up on game announcers. I do get tired of writers AND others harping on the idiocy of batting averages and RBI being useless and in the next article they talk about hitters not being clutch because they don’t get hits with runners in scoring position.
Trisha-
Carpenter at 101 pitches thru7
Bunting to get to Nick Punto?
mel, despite his being their best pitcher, do you leave him in when he gave up three hits the previous inning, one of them being a homer? Those are the kinds of questions managers deal with and LaRussa left him in and ended up being right. LaRussa has a bullpen. If Carpenter hadn’t gotten the job done, there would have been a million questions.
The difference between a manager being a genius and an idiot…
nice comment by McCarver, about pujols maybe calling hit and run on his own. I never knew some did that, but mcc saying dick groat (he of ground ball to tony kubek’s adam’s apple fame) used to do that.
i will give credit where due, but so often they’re so bad.
“Lord if that was a hit and run then it’s even dumber…..you’re going to hit and run with PUJOLS?…..”
Wait – was that the word from the Cards bench?
My goodness. LaRussa can be a complete dote…
I’m impressed by that last pitch by Oliver.
why would Albert put a hit and run on there? Unless he just thought he could get a pitch he could slap through the right side. I just highly doubt that was the case.
LGY, QFT.
Trader – thanks.
Hey I have a great idea. Why don’t we talk about the Craig steal?!?!
One thing about lohud, they sure can beat a dead horse!!!
That play was made by Moreland, not Andrus, Buck.
I’ve been saying for a year YES needs to hire Walt Frazier
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LGY-
One of my favorite backcourt combos. Clyde the Glide and Earl the Pearl.
“Wait – was that the word from the Cards bench?”
they are speculating that it may have been a Hit and Run and that they think Pujols called it himself…..which I really doubt. I think it had to be a missed sign or something.
Even if Punto or Furcal singled no guarantee Yadier scores. He’s painfully slow.
m October 24th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
Girardi is hamstrung a bit by salaries & egos.
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There’s a part of me that is looking forward to not having egos affect batting order.
So its just McCarver speculating that Pujols called the play?
I didn’t hear what they were saying.
Yea McCarver just speculating.
I fear Girardi is trying to compete with LaRussa to star in Pedro Almodovar’s next movie.
‘The Binder I Live In’
“they are speculating that it may have been a Hit and Run and that they think Pujols called it himself…..which I really doubt. I think it had to be a missed sign or something.”
This is just another example of ridiculous announcing. Rather than going with the simplest explanation they are creating more complex ones based on pure speculation… just to protect LaRussa.
No other team or manager gets that leeway from them.
“Girardi is hamstrung a bit by salaries & egos.”
mel, I agree with you. I think it was mick who said that you manage differently when you have a team full of stars. As painful as that may feel, I do believe it’s true. Easy to suggest that Girardi take out one of the regulars and have a bench player pinch hit but I’m sure it’s not so easy for Girardi to do – or even for him to feel it’s the right thing to do. He probably has faith that the player at the bat is capable of breaking through.
Genius vs. idiot.
Monday morning QBing.
great hitting by Young there.
yeah, mcc was guessing that must have been it. looking at the replay again, la russa had a surprised look on his face while talking to craig.
will la russa cover for pujols in the post game?
by the way, i think it’s “dolt”. I work with a few of those.
The Rangers are scoring here.
Joe Maddon at this point has pulled his Dotel equivalent and put in another pitcher.
but Larussa is a genius….that’s the narrative anyway.
lot of high breaking ball strikes tonight
Dotel really isn’t finishing his pitches.
Who is the only current MLB player who has never legitimately struck out despite being called out at the plate?
“but Larussa is a genius….that’s the narrative anyway. ”
watch Larussa bring in Arthur Rhodes now.
Trader – hope you’re wrong about Rangers scoring here.
however that play was called – straight steal, hit and run – and whomever called it, I’m really curious how it gets explained.
Those were some ugly intentional balls
blake – alphabet soup on his way in.
trisha,
However, you’re forgetting the other two. hint: they are all on the same team.
Who is the only current MLB player who has never legitimately struck out despite being called out at the plate?
ANS. – Fatso Ortiz. Just ask him.
Rhodes?
Dotel over Carp?
Arthur over Dotel?
Damn, YF, you got it before I posted the answer!
GOOD WORK GIRL!!!
watch Larussa bring in Arthur Rhodes now.
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Blake-
He’s bringing in that pitcher whose name I can’t pronounce, something like Dipsh**ski??
nah it’s not Rhodes…..he’s saving him to face Hamilton with the game on the line later :l
YF – I definitely have one but not have the other one.
Is one so ugly that his face could stop a clock?
What’s the plan here if Murphy doesn’t GDP?
PFP fail
Oh cripes. Methinks that should have been played.
Hey, LaRussa pulled a Lackey!
Scrabble vs Napoli with the bases juiced?
Yikes.
Ugh.
Wish it were Mathis.
C’mon DP
They cannot have a lefty face Napoli. Suicide.
do not like this matchup
The Cards really had should have won this game already.
They’ve just played poor fundamental baseball.
Base running errors. Pitchers not fielding their position. The all glove 2b can’t pick the ball cleanly. No hitting with RISP.
trisha, yes. Hint: the other one is short.
Yep
“They cannot have a lefty face Napoli. Suicide.”
Yeah. this is a really bad move. Even if he gets an out – given how much match up ball they play I don’t see this.
“Wish it were Mathis.”
lol….too bad Scoscia isn’t managing.
YF – absolutely knew it but wasn’t absolutely sure!
I did guess elfkin in my mind.
Oh well…
Great job, Cards.
Napoli is a beast….what a swing…..Monteroish
This game is over. Never should have gotten to this point.
What exactly was LaRussa’s plan this inning?
Did he really draw up a Scrabble vs Napoli matchup??
Oh well. It will just make it sweeter when the Cards knock them out in St. Louis.
right?
86 mph down the middle will not get out mike napoli, gj TLR.
Not sure why the booth was saying, “No Torrealba here”. That wouldn’t be in the Rangers best interest.
Nice work Tony…..the one time you don’t matchup
so, where was la russa’s hook? why did rzerp….pitch to napoli?
will that be answered postgame?
I agree that the Cards gave this game away.
Stupid ass Punto should have had that ball for at least one out.
Pat M.
Where are you? I feel guilty being the only one enjoying this game.
Rangers came back on the cards in game 2 and now game 5.
Hoping against hope the cards can come back and take this. I really don’t want a year of hearing ranger fans gloat
Joe LI, remember that it was the Bravos collapse that allowed the Cards into the postseason, not LaRussa’s brilliant managing.
Why would he pass up Dotel vs Cruz for Scrabble vs Napoli?
now he brings in the righty?
Rzepczynski’s only real “out” pitch is his slider.
Against a RH hitter he really doesn’t have that weapon to use the way he does when it’s effective.
His fastball’s not much. His change isn’t either.
He was forced to try to go to a back door slider and missed.
And with Napoli’s opposite field power – it’s just not going to turn out well.
No idea what LaRussa was thinking there.
The Cards have had an awful world series in terms of tactics and execution.
Lock, let ‘em gloat. All the more reason to knock them off their perch.
Maybe Lynn takes a realllly long time to warm up, Joe.
trisha, you’re right about that.
still, not a game for the cardinals’ time capsule.
Last year they won they got to the WS and didn’t win & talked crap about the yankees, gloating, saying the yankees have to come through them… Imagine the trash talk & nasty stuff they’ll say about the yankees if they actually win the WS…
I just hope our side stays shut. Let them crap on the yankees, but don’t feed the flames.
Lock, teams that aren’t used to being there are the ones who do the most gloating. Forgive them, they know not what they do.
“Napoli is a beast….what a swing…..Monteroish”
He really does have a terrific swing. He lets the ball travel pretty deep. Very controlled through the zone. Has the strength to wait and still hit the ball to all fields.
He’s real good. I’ve always liked him – he just never really got a chance so you could never see his whole game.
I don’t remember him being this good the opposite way.
Don’t know if this was already posted.
Yankees GM Brian Cashman met with Hal Steinbrenner in New York today and Joel Sherman of the New York Post says the sides expect to be able to complete a new deal for Cashman with relative ease
“still, not a game for the cardinals’ time capsule.”
Hell no.
Now TLR brings in a reliever to IBB a guy. He sucks this series.
m, given la russa’s propensity for pitching changes, and this being a key moment in the game, i’d have thought he’d have both a r and l pitcher readying.
but, i’m not a major league manager.
The Vernon Wells trade may have been one of the worst in baseball history
WAT
Are you crapping me? Why not have Motte warm up in the first place.
TLR is an idiot.
“Yankees GM Brian Cashman met with Hal Steinbrenner in New York today and Joel Sherman of the New York Post says the sides expect to be able to complete a new deal for Cashman with relative ease”
That’s lovely information, worthy of my eyes welling up. Brian Cashman is the Yankees. I feel a sense of well being with Cashman at that helm.
Kinda wish the Yankees had a Cashman deal ready to announce tomorrow. 3 GM announcements in one day. Or is that 2 1/2?
Why waste Lynn? Just bring in yesterdays pitcher Jackson to issue IBB
trisha – true pinstriped blue October 24th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Lock, let ‘em gloat. All the more reason to knock them off their perch.
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The rangers are desperate for a rivalry with the yankees because they want to UP their stock. They want to put themselves on the map by disrespecting or one-upping the yankees in some way. It’s really annoying.
The problem is that I don’t want a rivalry with them because I don’t feel anything for them other than a team that’s there twice. I like my rivalry with the redsox & the ALE teams as it stands. I don’t want to add a forced rivalry.
Anyone know the Game 6 pitchers?
I’m going to bed.
But one last thought -
As usual, it’s good to see a manager utilize his best relief pitcher in a big spot.
The game is clearly on the line. You can make an argument the entire world series is on the line here.
Huge spot. Good to see the tactical genius – the manager who basically invented bull pen specialization – go with his best relief pitcher to make sure that he gave his team the best chance possible to win.
La Russa truly did revolutionize bull pen management.
Lock, I believe the rivalry will be in their minds, not in the minds of the Yankees.
Yanks are really good about worrying about themselves and not paying great attention to the competition.
Game 6: Lewis @ Garcia
Game 7: Harrison @ Lohse
@BrianCostaWSJ: La Russa just created another type of specialist: the ROBIWGY (Righty One Batter Intentional Walk Guy). Genius!
Trisha
Garcia vs Lewis?
mel, thanks.
I would say advantage Cards, Game 6.
Game 7 is a total crap shoot.
Trader, thanks. Do you agree with my advantage assessment in Game 6?
CB – you really need to let your feelings out. You know, tell us what you really think.
and, maybe, hal will do a doubleheader, and announce both cash and cc are coming back. that would be nice.
Cards gotta come back here. They have no business losing this game.
I thought this game was an advantage to the Cards. So, I’m not sure about the next game
“and, maybe, hal will do a doubleheader, and announce both cash and cc are coming back. that would be nice”
That would be worthy of tears of happpiness, appreciation, and contentment.
Lock, I kind of thought of the same thing. You know that you can totally count on a pitcher and that pitcher can lose the game.
Could it be that LaRussa was going with the Binder Joe small sample size, going with Scrabble b/c Napoli was previously 1/5 vs. him? Seriously?
Cashman will sign tomorrow, an off day for WS?
Trisha-
Agree with game 6 advantage. Don’t like Lohse.
did feliz just give the cards a life?
trisha (or any Italian food foodies),
What are your layers for chicken parma?
FB down the middle
close to an IBB
mel, I am a total noncook, but from eating it I would say chicken, gravy, cheese, and gravy
Wowza. Not bad for a catcher who can hit.
man!
Ugh. Why is that dude running? Swings out of the zone…
I wonder if the runner going on the play caused Pujols to expand the zone.
Omg LaRussa is awful.
YF,
That’s 2 hit & runs they have to explain. Will be especially painful if Holliday hits a HR here.
Hey “down to their last strike” worked for a few teams the last day of the season!
Strike ‘em out, throw ‘em out!
One of my favorite plays
You are down by two.
Why send the runner??
Goodnight folks.
Sign Cashman, meet with CC and his agent and bring him back, and I’ll be very happy.
JF, definitely did.
Let me say this.
Never underestimate HFA in the WS.
Night Trader! Always sweet to hang out with you.
it will be an interesting post game manager’s conference.
trisha,
Thanks.
Rosy,
Who are you rooting for?
That was ball fourish but I understand he has to protect.
“Never underestimate HFA in the WS.”
And thanks to this awesome commissioner, HFA is determined by an exhibition game where the best players don’t even play……
What an awful, awful World Series by the Cardinals who deserve to lose it.
One of the worst managerial jobs in World Series history by LaRussa the dual Game 5 goat with Pujols who has laid an egg outside of one game (0 for 12 in the other games.) I would not re-sign him for more than five years cuz he has DH written all over him after that.
They have pissed away two great starts 2011 Yankees style and forgot how to hit save one game they would’ve won just 10-7 if Pujols didn’t go ’77 Reggie on the Rangers.
Ya can’t win a World Series scoring 16 runs in one game and only 6 in the other four games, but amazingly the Cards could if they take the next two at home.
Texas is playing with house money: split in St.Louis, win the World Series.
‘Night, Trader. If I were a Cards fan I would be fuming at LaRussa right about now.
the cards have had their chances. they just kept giving them back.
9 walks and only two runs?
goodnight
“And thanks to this awesome commissioner, HFA is determined by an exhibition game where the best players don’t even play……”
Pretty F’d up, isn’t it?
Hang in there, Berky.
The fact that the Cards gave this game away with bad plays, bodes well for the next 2 games. They just need to play smart & they could easily win the next 2 games.
Baseball’s a weird game. All I heard today is how Jackson couldn’t get away with 7 BB.
I think the issue today is what plagued the Yankees in game 5: small army left on base.
Eh, meet me in St. Louis, Louis.
Rosy,
Who are you rooting for?
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The Rangers
“The fact that the Cards gave this game away with bad plays, bodes well for the next 2 games. They just need to play smart & they could easily win the next 2 games.”
They could.
Garcia should win the next game.
If he does, 7 is a push. Harrison is like the little girl with the curl. Lohse can go either way.
Try again.
“The fact that the Cards gave this game away with bad plays, bodes well for the next 2 games. They just need to play smart & they could easily win the next 2 games.”
They could.
Garcia should win the next game.
If he does, 7 is a push. Harrison is like the little girl with the curl. Lohse can go either way.
Well night all.
My money is still on the Cards. I agree with Lock. Cards could have had this game. So they should be able to pull off the next two if they play well.
Interesting, you west coasters sure are mellow and friendly, rooting for a division rival.
I basically root against the Red Sox. Nothing redeeming there. I might cheer for another AL East team, it just depends I guess.
trisha,
The rangers need to win the next game because the cards will crush the 7th game.
mel, I could definitely see rooting for any of the AL East rivals except for the Suxers.
I’m still confident Cards can tie it up, but let’s just hope LaRussa isn’t going to hit and run with Pujols in Game 6.
TLR should get like 10 DUIs for this game.
JF,
The players need to check the cup he was sipping on.
m, maybe LTR got into Millar’s bottle of JD?
Ah, good times.
Endless amount of jokes about DUIs, stealing laptops, and doing coke.
So glad our guys are perfect.
Cashman sucks. ‘Couldn’t get Cliff Lee in 2010, Rangers go to the 2011 World Series. ‘Didn’t have the brains to get Doug Fister in 2011, 2011 Rangers go to the World Series and are one game away from winning it which I hope they do so it magnifies what an incompetent chokeartist of a GM Cashman is and what a solid young GM the Rangers have.
Cashman is the most overrated GM in the history of professional sports. He has won exactly one World Series with a team that’s definitively his and even then (2009) he needed The Core Four developed under Gene Michael’s tenure as Yankees GM.
The Yanks would be fools to re-sign him. He can’t seal the deal. All he can do is buy players. Cano is the only player he’s ever developed who became a star with the Yanks still with the Yanks, and who knows if Cano would’ve had a chance to shine if Tony Womack had not fallen to injury early in the 2005 season?
Interesting, you west coasters sure are mellow and friendly, rooting for a division rival.
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I’m not sure you could lump me in with the rest of the west coasters
Probably not many M’s fans rooting for the Rangers and even fewer Halo fans (don’t know about the A’s). I always root for the last ALW team left standing (unless there is some huge underdog).
LaRussa says “it was a mix up,” and won’t elaborate… whatever that means.
SI_JonHeyman
bad #worldseries so far for the game’s 2 best managers: tony la russa and mike scioscia
@TroyRenck: La Russa said that wanted Motte to face Napoli and bullpen didn’t hear Motte’s name… Crowd noise cited. I am serious.
YF,
Thanks for that. Seems like he’s covering for his players. He did look confused, and Craig was explaining himself.
CR,
I agree, I usually cheer for the last AL team, unless they are particularly unlikeable. I have Texas roots, so this isn’t much of a stretch for me. Even though there are some obnoxious qualities.
I think LaRussa made a mistake having Rzepczynski pitch to Napoli. Should have bought Motte in there. RHH hit .162 off Motte this year. RHH hit .275 off Rzepczynski.
LGY, are we supposed to believe that?
LGY October 24th, 2011 at 11:59 pm
@TroyRenck: La Russa said that wanted Motte to face Napoli and bullpen didn’t hear Motte’s name… Crowd noise cited. I am serious.
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aha
Amy K using your guy’s nickname:
Amy K. Nelson:
scrabble: no clue fluke games it’s so loud don’t think guys heard it … with Moreland on deck thought I might pitch to Napoli. I overthrew my slider happened to hang it.
@TroyRenck: “It happens. It’s loud down there. This is not unusual,” La Russa said. ..Very strange…”I saw Lynn and was ‘OK, what are you doing here”
Amy K. Nelson:
motte: I got up when Lynn went out I had no idea until you just told me that wrong guy was up.
Following someone else’s lead-in. However, I didn’t realize that La Russa actually had alcohol abuse issues. I would never joke about something like that.
Amy K. Nelson:
tlr: they heard scrabble not motte when I called in for motte again they sent Lynn. wrong guy came in. sometimes it’s real loud and some bullpens (guys in pen can’t hear) maybe we came up with some eat mics.
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So, they missed Motte’s name, not once, but twice?
Couldn’t they use texting instead? These guys and teams make millions of dollars.
YF,
No, it’s not a joking matter, but if it’s managers, it’s open season as far as I’m concerned.
No one should be behind the wheel when they’ve been drinking. But it’s especially arrogant when a manager does it. Not sure why TLR’s arrest bothered me so much. Smart men do dumb things sometimes.
Some light bedtime reading on the Yanks for 2012
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....nkees.html
Any chance Yankees go after Roy Oswalt in the offseason?
Even if it’s a bullpen mistake, LaRussa could have brought that to the umpire’s attention without using the pitchers sent in. That was his screw-up. If the umps don;t allow it, he can always play under protest.
Whitey Herzog revolutionized baseball. How he ever got the 85 Cards to the WS is beyond me. He invented the bunt, steal, hit and run, etc. and proved you don’t need HRs to win. He built teams on pitching, speed, defense, and fundamentals, led by the Wizard of Oz.
Estimated 6.7mil for Martin?
Amy K. Nelson:
Craig: hit and run I was stealing the base and I got thrown out. not my job to be surprised I got the sign and I went…
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But have come from the bench…
So if Lynn was supposed to be Motte that still doesn’t explain why he left the lefty scrabble in to face Napoli.
If he really wanted Motte to face Napoli wouldn’t he have had Lynn jog to the mound before the Napoli at bat and said then whoa what are you doing here it is supposed to be Motte.
Must have come from the bench…
Craig was surprised, but went.
Pujols was surprised to see Craig go, so he swung.
Sound plausible?
The only problem is it happened twice….
Jon Heyman Seems craig was out at 2nd when albert put the hit and run on. Pujols won’t say how often he calls play. “That’s secret.”
Jon Heyman Now hearing hit and run on craig CS came from bench. Albert or bench, bad idea. Odd they all want to take credit for blown play.
If the umps don;t allow it, he can always play under protest.
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What would be the basis for his protest?
Amy K. Nelson:
very strange scene in cardinals clubhouse …confused chaos.
Tuesday October 25, 2011 12:29 Amy K. Nelson
(on why scrabble pitched to napoli)
David Kull (ESPN.com MLB sr. editor):
LA RUSSA: They heard “Rzepczynski” and they didn’t hear “Motte,” when I called back i said “Motte.” They heard “Lynn.” So I went out there, wrong guy. He’ s not going to pitch today. I said, “Go back, get Motte ready. We’ll walk the guy because I don’t want Lynn to — he is not supposed to pitch. I didn’t want to hurt him. And then Motte came in. That’s why — it must be loud. I give the fans credit.
Amy K. Nelson:
had one rangers player basically ask me if I thought tlr was lying. he thought it that strange…
MLB would never overturn a protest in the postseason. Never. They will come up with a way to cover themselves, even if they were wrong. And what happened isn’t the umps fault anyway.
MUI?
My first reaction when I read the explanation was that TLR was mumbling under the influence. Not sure what you’re thinking, tho, Nick.
The manager would have told the homeplate umpire who was coming in and sent word to the scorer and then he’s officially in the game. If LaRussa gave the ump the wrong name, that’s on LaRussa.
Maybe LaRussa was throwing the game to get fired or not rehired and he and Pujols are going to the Cubs in a package deal that Epstein has already made to them. It wouldn’t be the first time that Epstein has made a deal with a player under contract with another team (JD Drew).
Managing Under the Influence
Texas in 5
I think that ship has sailed.
Good morning.
What a frustrating game if you happen to be a Cards fan.
Remind anyone of the Yankees ?
They couldn’t buy a clutch hit last night.
How many men were LOB ?
It probably cost the Cards the series.
Oh and by the way.
Pass on Wilson. He was freakin’ terrible again last night.
If the Cards had been swinging the the bats better he would have been showering early.
Not a guy we want on the Yankees. We do not need mediocrity for big bucks. No thanks.
good morning MTU
I went to bed during the 7th inning stretch, so I missed all the sloppy play/BP mistakes. My take on the game was the Cards left an army of men on base…and yes it did remind me of the Yankees.
When did Pujols call his own H&R? Was it earlier in the game or in the ninth? Or did he do it twice?
I am totally confused. I thought Pujols called his own H&R earlier in the game, but the newspaper I’m reading (Star Ledger) has it that he called in on the 3-2 pitch in the ninth inning (which doesn’t make any sense to me).
So, two games the Cardinals lost that they could have (should have?) won.
And I totally do not understand how TWO TIMES the bullpen coach does not hear Motte’s name or doesn’t hear it correctly. But even worse, I don’t understand how, if Lynn was not available to pitch, that the bullpen coach, upon thinking he heard the name Lance, wouldn’t have questioned La Russa to make sure he heard correctly. (Like, You want Lance? Isn’t he unavailable tonight? To which TLR could have replied, no, no, MOTTE).
Like Lance and Motte sound anything alike, fan noise or no fan noise.
Or the name Lynn – which also sounds nothing like Motte.
VN-
Why get caught up in the minutae of the game when if the Cards would have just left a few less men on base they could have easily won that game ?
The just sucked with MOB last night. That was the reason they lost.
Nothing more complicated than that.
And you just KNEW that Rzepcinski against Napoli was gonna end bad before it even happened.
MTU -
Oh, I know. Believe me, not caught up in it, but I’d just finished reading the newspaper story and the Hit & Run stuff that was written was different from what they were saying in the post-game last night.
And the other thing just boggles my mind.
I know they lost because they kept leaving men on base.
VN-
Holliday was a real goat last night.
Bad night for him.
That deflected ball off of Rzepcinski showed how bad luck plays a part in games.
It just wasn’t meant to be last night and now the Cards are up against it the next 2.
Not gonna be easy.
Holliday and Freese, I guess.
In a way, it’s a comfort to know that these things happen to other teams, too.
VN-
Yup but I wish it would have happened to the Antlers and Claws instead.
MTU October 25th, 2011 at 7:21 am
VN-
Holliday was a real goat last night.
Bad night for him.
That deflected ball off of Rzepcinski showed how bad luck plays a part in games.
It just wasn’t meant to be last night and now the Cards are up against it the next 2.
Not gonna be easy.
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Well they got their guy out there in game 6 (Carpenter) and before the home crowd. Right now they are just trying to get to Game 7. Then at home it would have to be advantage St Louis.
The whiff by Albert was strangly familiar to the performances of our big guys in a key situation.
Been pulling for the Cards big time in this series but they deserve to lose ……Larussa has cost them 2 games and they just continue this death by small ball game plan that is just ridiculous.
The bullpen mix up…..total hogwash ….he’s trying to tell me that with all the monitors that he didn’t kniwbwho was up in the bullpen? Please…..
The hit and run……I don’t know who called it….either way its unbelievablly dumb there…..they gave away 3 outs sac bunting to get to Punting and Furcal
Washington outmanaged Larussa by just managing normally and letting Tony shoot himself in the foot…..and it probably won Texas the WS
Good morning Kate, MTU, Villa-
Real mess not getting Motte up in the bullpen, claimed that thru the crowd noise the bullpen coach did not hear Motte. Also Lynn not available? He didn’t pitch on Sunday.
Little controversy to start the day from NY Daily news:
“He’s a better hitter than Babe Ruth and Reggie Jackson and there’s no doubt about it,” said Lance Berkman, who is finishing his first season with Pujols in St. Louis. “I’m dead serious. Babe Ruth, as great as he was, played in an all-white league. Now we have the best talent pool we’ve ever had and he’s doing it in that environment. He’s the greatest.”
Best talent pool ever???? Diluted pool if you ask me!
Punto
Good morning Gary and Blake also-
Maybe LaRussa has a hard time remembering which one is Motte and which one is Lynnp-both have beards!
“Best talent pool ever???? Diluted pool if you ask me!”
Eh I don’t know if its the best ever right now but its certainly better than the 20 and 30s.
Trader,
Morning yourself ……I don’t know if I coukd make it through 162 games of Larussa
Garcia vs Lewis- I’m not sure there’s any advantage there
Lohse vs Harrison- Could see the bullpens early in that one if it gets to game 7
The Yankees won 97 games without a dominant rotation, so they know as well as any team that it can be done. But if Cashman’s offseason goes according to plan, his top acquisitions won’t be working under minor league contracts or battling for jobs in Spring Training. They’ll be established pitchers who seem capable of leading the Yankees to their 17th playoff appearance in the last 18 years.
From the rest of the MLBTR article on the offseason outlook for the Yankees:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....nkees.html
morning all
yeah, I don’t know how you mistake Lynn for Motte.
It was interesting to hear the the visitor BP phone is around a corner, so difficult to hear, and the visiting BP is not visible from the visitor dug out, so the manager doesn’t see who is warming up. Is that a common HFA trick?
Kate-
LaRussa deflected the blame on the noise. The blame lies within the organization in their “checks and balances” way of making sure the right person is up in the bullpen!
Since Cashman and Hal Steinbrenner met in NY yesterday, and Cashman will be in Tampa today for organizational meetings, I’m going to guess a contract for Cashman is close to done, and might be announced today,an off day for the WS.
“I don’t know if I coukd make it through 162 games of Larussa”
You and me both. Guy gives me the creeps.
Micro manage much, Tony ?
YT-
Cashman is a done deal. I wouldn’t concern myself over that.
MTU-
No concerns over Cashman.
CC can opt out Saturday or Sunday. Hopefully Cashman will once again fly to his home in NJ from Tampa and seal the deal!!!
YT-
It would be nice if they could hammer out something before CC opts out.
Before last post-season, I would have said, “I’m sure the Yankees and CC will come to an agreement before the opt-out.” But I presumed the Yankees and Derek Jeter would have a non-contentious negotiation, and it certainly was anything but that.
So, I take nothing for granted anymore.
I assume CC likes NY, NY likes CC, but it doesn’t necessarily mean an agreement will be easily reached if at all.
I want it to happen, but who knows?
VN-
I think the odds favor something getting done but I agree that nothing should be taken for granted.
Demi Lovato is singing tonight?s National Anthem. Absolutely no chance I could pick her out of a lineup. None whatsoever. Is she the same thing as Hannah Montana?*
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Demi Lovato?? This is who they came up with? Sorry I missed that one.
I think CC will opt out 3 days after the end of the WS, followed by the other premier names 5 days after the WS. All will want to see what other teams are offering.
I really doubt a team out there will give Sabathia a guaranteed 7 year deal at 25M/year with a full NTC that he has now.
YT-
What ML ready player(s) would you offer the WS for Danks ?
Let’s say CC’s priority if he can’t stay in NY is to be on the west coast.
Dodgers-Ownership issues. Stuck with Lilly for 2 more years. Doubt it happens there.
Angels-Don’t need CC. need a 3rd baseman. Aramis Ramirez?
Giants- Stuck with Zito. Don’t need CC. need offense. Fielder?
Oakland- Would be a shock if he’s even entertained there.
Mariners-Need so much but need offense primarily.
Can you see a west coast team offering him a big payday?
Yankee Trader -
A pitcher like CC, I think teams can find a need for him.
I’m not getting too worked up about CC. No matter what happens with the opt-out, I think he’ll remain a Yankee
Cc isn’t going anywhere…..my only concern is him getting to free agency and the process rising to uncomfortable levels…..hopefully they can work out something before the opt out
I agree Erin. I just want it to be quick.
I can’t stand the Rangers…..but I do like Washington and I like a few players on that club.
What ML ready player(s) would you offer the WS for Danks ?
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MTU-
I’ve been in on those discussions. Is Danks a #2 based on his 2011 production. He was behind Buehrle and Humber, and possibly even Floyd.
Kenny Williams wants major league ready players. The WS got dissapointing seasons out of Beckham at 2nd and Morel at 3rd, not to mention the 2 untradeable players at CF-Rios and DH-Dunn or is it Done?
Personally I’d like young lefty Chris Sale, but he would cost a lot so……………………..
Danks-Williams might want one of Hughes/Noesi +Romine/doubt Cervelli + Nunez/ doubt Joseph
I’d trade Hughes whose arb eligible and what 2 years from FA + Romine or 2 of Brackman/Warren/Phelps/Mitchell.
If Williams wants to unload Matt Thornton’s remaining 2 years at some 5.5M/year I lessen the AAA players involved.
Is it however wise to trade for arb eligible lefty Danks whose one year from FA?
That’s my “bloated” answer, subject to change.
YT-
No answer on Danks ?
Alright. I’ll propose a few ideas :
Hughes + Cervelli + Pena
Romine + Pena + Phelps
Noesi + Cervelli + Pena
Villa-
My question was do you see a west coast team offering him a big payday?
I could see the Nats, Rangers possibly in and the Red Sox, who will liekly target Reyes, in only to drive the price up. Maybe a return to the Brewers if no play on Fielder.
YT-
I want a negotiating window included, of course ?
I don’t do any of that for a 1 yr. rental.
New thread —>
New Post: The impact of an offensive catcher
MTU-
I’m slow typist and thinker! Responded just before you. None of your proposals would entice me if I was Kenny Williams. Don’t want any part of Cervelli or Pena even if you take Matt Thornton’s contract on.
In fact he might want Gardner and expand the trade by including Carlos Quentin.
blake -
Washington rubs me the wrong way these days. Probably because of last season. (Sour grapes??
)
I know players seem to love playing for him, and he is one of the few managers that wear their emotions for all to see.
I so don’t want the Rangers to win – and it’s mainly because I’m sick of seeing Nolan Ryan’s face.
YT-
If a negotiating window is not included Williams isn’t gonna get a whole lot of
ML-ready talent.
No one is gonna trade away a lot of those kinds of guys for a rental.
Prospects maybe. Not young ML-ready guys.
I’d swap him Hughes even up w/o the window. Maybe throw in Cervelli.
that’s about it.