Are the Red Sox a threat for CC?
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 26, 2011 
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Anthony McCarron posed the question in today’s Daily News: Now that John Lackey is lost for the season, could the Red Sox try to make a rotation splash by scooping up CC Sabathia?
Adding Sabathia to Boston’s already strong top of the rotation would be a significant blow to all of the American League, not just the Yankees, and whether it’s feasible or not — do the Red Sox really have the financial flexibility to make such a signing? — the very idea is why the Yankees want to get his Sabathia situation resolved sooner rather than later.
The free agent market offers no reliable ace, and the ball is in the Yankees court with Sabathia.* Why take the risk of letting him hit the open market?
George King suggested this morning “a five- or six-year deal for an obvious raise over his current $23 million a year.” The Yankees could raise Sabathia’s salary $4 million per year and not think twice about it. We’ll call that The Igawa Factor.
Obviously there are concerns with Sabathia’s size, and long-term deals are always risky with pitchers, but given some of the alternatives — Sabathia pitching for anyone else in the American League, Ivan Nova starting on Opening Day — coming to an agreement with Sabathia is an obvious priority.
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* I guess technically the ball is in Sabathia’s court because he doesn’t have to opt out, but everyone in baseball believes he will and the Yankees recognize that. It’s easy to predict Sabathia’s next move, so the Yankees can preemptively make a move of their own.
Associated Press photo
Thank you for not using that photo-shopped picture of him in a Boston uniform I saw this AM.
Erin Luella Parsons, thought you’d like this photo
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Had to share…all 4 looking at the same time..WOW! Seems impossible at times. http://pic.twitter.com/0CsaFtZQ
NO, not happening
Since the Sox are already paying ~$26 for 2 starters who won’t be pitching much if any of 2012 and Cherington made it sound like they would be shopping The Rack and Off 5th instead of Nordstrom and Saks for pitchers, CC at $24 million would appear to not be in their budget.
tucker says:
October 26, 2011 at 12:00 pm
The classic example of how girardi’s lack of feel harmed the Yanks in the playoffs was game 3 in he 2009. ALCS vs the Angels. He took out a white hot Robertson and put in Ace, who surrendered the game winning hit to Kendrick. He later referred to the binder for his explanation, but robertson was pitching so well with such a high level of confidence. No way I would have taken him out at that point. Now and then, even an analytical manager such as Girardi needs to trust their eyes.
Overall, though, I have few complaints about Girardi over 162 games.
GB-that’s adorable. I can’t believe how big Carter is already.
Boston doesn’t need just one starter…they need two, plus a replacement for Scutaro, Papelbon and Ortiz, unless they re-sign them. They are hoping that Aceves can be converted to a starter, but, if he breaks down they’ll have trouble. If he moves into the rotation, they’ll need more bullpen help to cover his 100+ innings. They’re also depending on Reddick or Kalish to replace Drew and that will shorten their bench. I can see them making a strong run at Garcia and even Colon.
Sabathia doesn’t want to go and be a part of that mess in Boston. He would have to be crazy to do that.
On top of that, they aren’t getting Gonzales for $6 mil any more.
The Dodger situation just keeps getting uglier
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....layed.html
LGY – I’m not rooting against him. If the whiners think that pinch hitting him in game 5 would have been the end all be all solution to why we lost that series (naive much?)… then I wish they would have been afforded that. They would complain about something else anyway.
Leaving yourself with no catcher on the bench is just bad baseball.
I don’t think pinch hitting him would have been a good idea and wasn’t really necessary at all.
In the 4th Martin had just as good a chance of hitting a fly ball, and actually DID. He went up there trying to sac fly in a run like any veteran player would, and he popped it up. What did he miss the pitch by, an 1/8th of an inch? Less? An 1/8th of an inch is the difference between a run scoring sac fly and a “bad decision” by Girardi.
In the later innings I can understand wanting to see Montero bat for Gardner/Chavez/Jones/Tex/Arod/whatever… his pop could certainly tie a game… but I still do not pinch hit him for Martin.
There were plenty of other ways that game would have and could have been one, but I don’t believe for one second that this lack of a move caused them to lose.
SI_JonHeyman MLB officials are meeting at 1 pm at st. Louis hotel to decide whether to postpone game 6, as nbc reported
davet7462 @SI_JonHeyman Any truth to the rumor Pujols has final call on whether to cancel the game tonight?
Boston is desperate as they know they have no Triple A arms to step in the rotation. But CC will want 7 years, and Boston won’t commit to that. Plus, I can’t see CC being chums with that trio of beer swillin’, fried chicken eatin, beanball throwin’ and beer video appearin’ starters that the Red Sox have.
How much respect would CC command if there is a press conference and he says “I said I wouldn’t opt out, I love the Yankees, so I am not opting out.”
Would be huge imo. No pun intended.
I’d lose respect for him if he was dumb enough to do that.
RiverAveBlues Baby Jeets RT: @si_vault: Derek Jeter in 1994, accepting trophy for Baseball America’s minor league player of the year: http://pic.twitter.com/QaN68cdR
Erin October 26th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
RiverAveBlues Baby Jeets RT: @si_vault: Derek Jeter in 1994, accepting trophy for Baseball America’s minor league player of the year: http://pic.twitter.com/QaN68cdR
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Whatever happened to that guy anyway? Just another over rated flop in a long list of Yankee flops.
GB- a shame, isn’t it?
Jete wearing CC’s suit for that picture?
pat-
If CC went to Boston, can you imagine the sheer volume of hot dog and clam boils that he would crush for breakfast? If he gets a raise this winter and then DOESN’T lose 40 pounds, then we on this board are all chumps and we should Occupy his locker
Jeter must have been saving his minor league meal money for a hot date. He sure wasn’t wasting it on food and he didn’t have a Visa Card yet.
I would hope they could keep the new contract at 5 years with an option for a sixth year. If you have to eat a year or two, not as bad as eating 3 years. Front load with first two years, so that it will be less at years 4-5. A-rod has 2 million coming off his contract next year, and an additional 9 million over the next 4 years, just give it to CC.
Something like: 25, 27, 26, 25, 23million. It would not change the budget at all, just shifting from A-Rod to CC.
CC, if he wants to stay in NY and not test the market, will sign an extension in the next week.
5/$125 with an incentive laden 6th year.
If he does that, he will own NY for the rest of his career. The endorsement value for the next 30-40 years will make up for any change of venue. His agents must know that. He must know that.
Why drag everyone through the mud (a la Jeter last year) over a few million out of several hundred?
hate to say this, but the uglier it gets in la, the better the chance that kemp is a yankee
jcrasnick Eric Chavez hasn?t decided whether to play in 2012 or retire, said agent Scott Leventhal. He’ll make call ?at some point?? this winter
If CC hits the market the Sox will certainly be involved if for no other reason than to drive up the price…….can’t imagine the Yanks being outbid by Boston but the bidding war is what they need to try and avoid.
I hope CC does agree to an extension…..it really just all depends on how much he wants to push the envelope with the money. He could probably get 7 years from the Yankees if he opted out and the right teams started pushing the price.
Time has helped jeters looks, he was a gangly twig
RAB is suggesting they probably will offer 6/144 or so and if that doesn’t get it done then that signals that CC isn’t all that committed to staying with the Yankees
No more than 5 guaranteed for CC, at 23 per. That takes him through age 36. 6+ has to be team option. No more guaranteed big money in late 30′s. If someone else wants to pay him 5×25 or 6 guaranteed then let them, and let CC uproot his family and leave the biggest ad market in the country. You aren’t working against the same leverage when getting someone to stay as when trying to get someone to come to the team.
How about getting that money in Texas, where there’s no income tax. Last time I paid non-resident NY State and City taxes (a long time ago), they combined to be about 10%, more now, I’m sure, so taking $25 million per year from the Rangers means at least 2.5 million more per year in CC’s pocket. Not inconsiderable.
jcrasnick “He truly enjoyed playing for the #Yankees.?? Leventhal said of Chavez, who hit .263 in 160 ABs with New York.
jcrasnick “If he decides to return next season, he would deeply consider a return to New York if there is a fit,” Leventhal said. #Yankees
Oh yeah sure… CC is going to leave a team that has a chance at the WS every year to go to a team that just had a historic regular season collapse, lost it’s franchise best GM and Manager, lost one of it’s top starters to tommy john surgery, has question marks every where, has media that is far more critical than NY, has a stadium that is far less accommodating for a few more million a year when he’s already making a gazillion dollars.
Yeah sure, I can see that.
Are you writers bored?
tomingeorgia
More than made up for by the extra opportunities for promotions and endorsements in NY, so it is more than wash.
At this level, the guys are more interested in the actual salary number for bragging rights over their buddies, not the actual salary itself, which they could never spend.
What position would Kemp play?
Pittsburgh, if that bearded idiot tin San Francisco can get gigs, so could CC in Texas. There are a lot of people (and even prosperity) in Texas.
cc in boston is exactly the type of thing they really want to do:
1. revenge for damon
2. weakens a ‘weakness’ on our team
3. addresses a huge need for them
4. gets fans fired up for the season, they need this since the last two seasons have ended in 3rd place finishes
5. makes cashman overpay for lesser pitchers like wilson or darvish
the red sox have a two choices here: be competitive and spend like it’s going out of style or rebuild. in the al east, rebuilding may mean no playoffs for 4 years.
my guess is they spend. they may not get cc, they’ll certainly try. but they’ll get prince to replace papi. they’ll spend big on papelbom, probably reyes (no way the giants outbid them),and probably bring back bedard and kick the tires on wilson. they could have a very different team in two months
tomingeorgia
Agree about the SF guy (what was he in, a chicken commercial?).
I still think NYC would still beat Texas in endorsements given the media HQ there. Still will be CCs call, plus Texas doesn’t have the cash, and Nolan Ryan isn’t giving out a 6 year contract to a 31 year old.
kd
One thing John Henry has said is that Boston is going to tone down the big contracts after Lackey, Crawford, and AGon.
Not happening.
pittsburg,
they have so many holes that spending big is their only way to compete
No Shot. There are only two teams that would step in anyway. Texas who already said no. And the Angels, but they never step in and have enough pitching as is.
CC is here or he settles for less years and more cash, but doubt that happens. He fits in too well here for us and too well for him.
Sox were always leary of big deals, Crawford backfired and even A Gone if he chokes against us, his shoulder remains a concern, he might not be worth the money they could have spent on trying to get Big AL or Fielder. No shot. They have 3 starting pitchers, Bucholz being fragile and their bullpen was a mess last year with the money spent and that is without depth in the minors.
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kd
Correct. They are going to “rebuild” for the next few years. Only can be good for the Yankees.