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Game 7 most watched baseball game since 2004

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 30, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This sort of announcement is always good the game of baseball. Here’s the release from MLB…

Game 7 of the 2011 World Series, which saw the St. Louis Cardinals win their 11th World Series title, averaged 25.4 million viewers on FOX. That figure makes it the most watched baseball game since 2004 when the Boston Red Sox won the World Series erasing a drought of 86 years.

Except for the historic 2004 World Series, Game 7 drew the most viewers of any baseball game since Game 7 of the 2002 World Series.

The World Series was a huge success for FOX delivering the best Friday night in the history of the network. Game 7 was the highest rated and most watched Friday night telecast on any network since the 2010 Winter Olympics and easily gave FOX its sixth primetime win in seven nights. It was also the highest rated night of primetime on any network since the start of the 2011-12 broadcast season.

The 14.7 U.S. household rating for Game 7 brings the 2011 World Series average rating to 10.0, which is +19% higher than last year’s World Series, featuring the same American League team and a National League team (San Francisco Giants) with twice the number of TV households as compared to St. Louis.

The 2011 Cardinals, who were 10.5 games out of first place in late August and were twice down to their last strike in Game 6, captured the imagination of St. Louis resulting in a 52.7 rating in the market, which was higher than any of their previous marks in the 2004 or 2006 World Series. When the Cardinals won the World Series, 89% of households in St. Louis that had their televisions on were tuned in to see the game.

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203 Responses to “Game 7 most watched baseball game since 2004”

  1. Chase October 30th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    Go Baseball!

  2. blake October 30th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Awesome……glad people tuned in. Baseball is alive and well……the NBA? Not so sure.

  3. Villa Nova-Ya October 30th, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    I think that’s great.

    Two things – the drama in Game 6 had a lot to do with people tuning in for Game 7, I think. And maybe some network will figure out that there indeed ARE people who would KILL for something good to watch on a Friday night!!! LOL

    I’d bet that a Game 7 in and of itself, when people know for sure that the end will produce a winner, would always draw more of an audience than a game 1-3 for instance.

  4. blake October 30th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    Pittsburgh,

    The reports we’re that both sides were motivated to get a deal done…..and CCs agent has said that they “will exhaust all efforts to get a deal done with the Yankees” ……if all that is true then they should get a deal done because everyone knows the Yankees want to keep him……if they can’t then it was all talk and its clear that CC is gonna milk every last dime he can

  5. Red Robin October 30th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10.....ew.html?hp

  6. PittsburghYankeeFan October 30th, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    blake –I agree with you. I investigated the supposed Heyman claim, and it is simply a tweet from him reposted on mlbtraderumors of saying that “folks think” that CC will opt out. Therefore, I think it is in CC best interest and the Yankees best interest to get this done now. Getting the extra few $$$ are not worth it in the lost goodwill if he really wants to stay here. Supposedly they are both motivated. They have 24 hours.

    Just got back from the Steelers beat down of the Pats. Sat in back of a row of Pats fans. Was going to say “How bout them Sox?”at the end of the game but thought it would be too cruel.

    KRod’s option declined by the Brewers. Look for him to go to the Sox–what a match, gasoline on the fire. They’ll try to get him for fewer years than Papelbon.

  7. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    the NBA? Not so sure.

    —–_

    Hopefully the lockout ends soon so I can boo CC during his next halftime interview at the Garden.

  8. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    :evil:

  9. pat October 30th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    Robbie spends alot of time as the opening act during the season because of who he plays with so it’s nice he gets to be the Rock Star on the trip to Taiwan……

    http://www.myyesnetwork.com/16.....JtaXR0ZWQh

  10. Yank 97 October 30th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    SI_JonHeyman
    Yankees remain favorite to sign cc. They made offer this weekend. But he’s planning to look around. Bos, cubs, det, tor tex threats

  11. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    To be fair, we as Yankee fans should know best it’s all about the $$$ for CC.

    We got him in the first place after he left the team where he had his best time ever playing baseball in search of greener pastures.

  12. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    This will be another time that the Yankees won’t be signing Beltran because od another high priced player. I’ll bet Beltran would come to the Yankees for a $50 discount. Damned money grubbing players. Beltran would put the Yankees over the top.

  13. AZ88 October 30th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    And his agents were floating all those rumors about him potentially taking less to go to the WC, stay in Milwaukee, etc. just to get us to up our offer back in 08.

    Would be nice one of these days if star players didn’t try and take us to the cleaners. They have the right, but still. And if that is the case, Hal is going to have to be willing to expand the budget a little more to compensate.

  14. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    @AndrewMarchand: I mentioned this the other day, when I used to ask CC about what LeBron would do, he always said LBJ would take the most $$.

  15. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Beltran would put the Yankees over the top.

    ——

    You are being sarcastic but the truth is he probably would have in 2011.

  16. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    What about the two years prior?

    Maybe we can find other whines to recycle. It’s been almost 3 days since Beltran’s non-signing was brought up. You’re assuming two things…that he would have hit in the AL and that he wouldn’t have gotten hurt playing 18 games on turf.

  17. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    I need a translator for that post.

  18. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Just a guess, but at least one person on here will like these Cano pix

    http://lockerz.com/s/151889981

  19. randy l. October 30th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    the yankees should tell sabathia that if he opts out they won’t take part in any bidding for him and his yankee career is over. no hard feelings. that’s just the way it’s going to be.

    in a way , sabathia opting out is great for the yankees.

    they won’t be stuck with his bad years at the end of the contract like they are with arod.

    i think they can still make the post season without him.

    at some point you have to have some pride. someone wants to walk, let them.

    move on. embrace the freedom to go in another direction.

    if the yankees pay more to sabathia or give more years they are fools.

  20. blake October 30th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    If CC opts out and chases down every dollar he can get then he has every right……but as a fan I have every right to feel differently about him if he does so.

  21. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    GB

    While we are dealing in assumptions, how do you know Beltran hurts his knee playing for the Yankees?

  22. DocTodd October 30th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Who was the last player to give the Yankees a hometown discount?? Funny how the Sox can get hometown discounts from a few of their players.

  23. blake October 30th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Randy,

    Its going to take the Yankees letting a Sabathia type player walk for players to stop treating them like an ATM machine…….if they are going to operate under a self imposed salary cap then at some point they are going to have to do it or it’ll affect the quality of the team….not saying now is the time to.make such a statement because they do need CC and I want him back…..but at some point the Ya kees shouldn’t have to pay more than everyone else just because they are the Yankees.

  24. blake October 30th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    “Who was the last player to give the Yankees a hometown discount?? Funny how the Sox can get hometown discounts from a few of their players.”

    Its irritating

  25. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Who the Hell cares what the Boston players accept on their contracts? And people on here complain about Boston fans obsession with the Yankees.

  26. m October 30th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Didn’t LBJ take less to take his talents to Miami?

    Five years is ideal, but the Yankees need to hold firm at 6 years. Because no team is going to give him 7.

    If he’s getting a raise to $25M per, then that’s tacking on an extra $58M and 2 years to the original deal.

    I think that’s plenty generous. We need him really badly now, but not 7 years from now.

  27. ZMAN October 30th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    “if the yankees pay more to sabathia or give more years they are fools.”

    Agree.

    From the standpoint of CC’s agent, it makes all the sense in the world if his client opts out. Regardless of what the Yankees offer is, it will still be there even in a month. They know the Yanks desparately need CC and will try and start a bidding war to get the most out of the Yankees, knowing they have whatever offer Cashman made this weekend, to fall back on.

    Yanks have never shown any willingness to stick to their guns. Why would they start here? And that is exactly what CC’s agent is thinking.

    Yanks have to break the cycle, but as long as they are so desperate to win and always want to win-now, they will never break it. In 2 years, Cano and Boras are going to have Cashman over a barrel….

  28. AZ88 October 30th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    “Didn’t LBJ take less to take his talents to Miami? ”

    That was a cosmetic, PR-move.

    There were a whole bunch of articles from sports business guys and economists when he first signed that considering there is no sales tax in Florida, his ‘discount’ was highly overstated.

    $100 mil in FLA is not the same as 100 mil in NYC, Chicago, LA, or Cleveland.

  29. m October 30th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    I bet SJ was one of the many generous benefactors who wired money to an offshore slush fund for LBJ!

  30. TheStraw October 30th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    “Who was the last player to give the Yankees a hometown discount??”

    That would be Andy Pettitte, 2008-2009.

  31. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    Didn’t LBJ take less to take his talents to Miami?

    ——

    That’s Marchand’s point.

    He’s trying to comment on how CC views free agency. He assumed LeBron would just go for the most $$$ but in fact he did not approach free agency in that manner.

  32. m October 30th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Who’s going to sign the Funky Monkey, K-Rod? Brewers decline his option.

    Is he even closer material anymore?

  33. TheStraw October 30th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    Actually it was only 2009 that Andy gave us the discount……

  34. m October 30th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    The theory is that the 3 amigos had this hatched long ago. And LeBron’s last extension was only for 3 years. Convinced some others to sign shorter deals, too.

    If CC is not trying to get the most money, then why opt out?

  35. pat October 30th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    So if Matt Kemp or Roy Halladay had an opt out and decided to use it tomorow, you would think less of them if they didn’t stay with the Dodgers and Phils?

    Enough less of them that you wouldn’t want them to be a Yankee?

  36. m October 30th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Dodger fans would definitely think less of Kemp. Though they may be jealous more than anything that Kemp got to use one of the lifeboats.

    Phillies fans would think less of Halladay, they’ll complain that they mortgaged their future for him, etc.

  37. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    M

    I think I’m confusing you :P

    Marchand is trying to point out free agency is all about the $$$ for CC. He assumed LeBron would go where the most money is because that’s how CC views free agency.

  38. m October 30th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Got it.

    Marchand=Captain Obvious

  39. Eroc October 30th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Not to mention, there is no “highest dollar” in the NBA for the star players. They all get the max, which is the same for all teams with cap room. And with the sign and trades, virtually every team can offer a guy the max. It’s not like 1 team can offer $20 mil and one can offer $30 mil. I guess CC was referring to earning power off the court too, but LeBron is the most marketable athlete in the world now, he is not bound by market size.

    I think what is making people more annoyed is the 5-6 different quotes from him talking about how he is not opting out and he loves it here and he is settled here, etc.

    Yes, A-Rod did the same thing, but A-Rod and Boras are birds of a different feather and everyone knew it.

  40. TheStraw October 30th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    CC knows the Yanks will pay more AAV than any other team. That is not the issue here. The issue is the length if the contract. There seems to be a perception by these players that the extra years are the equivalent to “getting what you earned”. I could see CC feeling that because he is such a horse and the Yankees ride him like one, that he should deserve those extra years of security. And if you look at that way maybe he does. But of course the flip side us the Arod injury decline argument. Not an easy spot the Yanks to be in. I personally would give him the seventh year, he deserves it more than guys like Werth, Crawford, Cliff Lee or even Tex.

  41. m October 30th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    What could happen is that Cash could lowball an extension. CC & Co. could get all insulted and opt out in a huff. Then they’d have to deal with Cash anyway if they want to get their money.

    That would be kinda funny.

  42. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    I think people are disappointed in CC because (1) he already has the largest contract for a pitcher in history by a substantial margin (when is enough, enough type of thing) (2) he lied about his intentions regarding the opt out and (3) he talks a big game about being a team first I love NY guy.

    Kemp hasn’t cashed in yet and has made his intentions about free agency pretty clear. Halladay already took a massive discount to be in Philly. So the players are not really comparable.

  43. m October 30th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    CC may deserve the 7th year, but this is business. Just like it’s business for CC. Exposing the team to extra years at $25M is not without risk.

  44. blake October 30th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    “So if Matt Kemp or Roy Halladay had an opt out and decided to use it tomorow, you would think less of them if they didn’t stay with the Dodgers and Phils?”

    If they we’re offering to make them the highest paid players ever at their position for the 2nd time and they had spent 3 years talking about how much they loved LA and Philly them probably yea……especially if I were a Dodger or Philly fan.

  45. raymagnetic October 30th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Anyone disappointed in CC obviously doesn’t realize that it’s a business and 99.9 percent of the time it is always about the money.

    How dare CC try to get more money!!!!! :roll:

  46. TheStraw October 30th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    M-

    Every contract has risk.

  47. m October 30th, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    I won’t be disappointed in CC if he opts out. He probably regretted the words the first time he said he wasn’t going to opt out.

    I am disappointed that the Yankees aren’t prepared to move on without him, should he opt out. Though, if they did have a replacement, he probably wouldn’t be opting out…

  48. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    Anyone disappointed in CC obviously doesn’t realize that it’s a business and 99.9 percent of the time it is always about the money.

    How dare CC try to get more money!!!!!

    ———-

    It being a business doesn’t insulate CC from being judged on how he conducts himself and what his motives are.

    That’s not how life works.

  49. blake October 30th, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    “Anyone disappointed in CC obviously doesn’t realize that it’s a business and 99.9 percent of the time it is always about the money.”

    Everyone understands that….he just shouldn’t try to make it sound like he has some strong affection for the Yankees though if he can’t cone to a fair agreement with them.

    Let’s remember that this isn’t some small market tram trying to hold on to their star…..this is the Yankees offering to make a guy the highest paid pitcher ever TWICE. If its about the money then fine…..but don’t try to sell me on it being anything else.

  50. tucker October 30th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    They would have drawn the line with ARod, had Hank not been involved. The team would not have won without ARod in 2009, but their future would look better without that albatross of a contract.

    I doubt they take a hard line with CC. After all, it was Cashman who suggested the opt out. Cashman would look foolish to not negotiate after CC opts out, because cashman suggested the opt out in the first place. In such a case, agents and players would view Cashman as duplicitous.

  51. LockDown October 30th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    I hope that CC doesn’t take too long to make his decision. The worst case scenario is the yanks wait for CC and don’t bid on Darvish & CJW (last option) goes elsewhere & CC goes to Philly (or wherever) and the Yanks are forced to beg Andy to come back (and he doesn’t) and then well…. the apocalypse :lol:

  52. TheStraw October 30th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    If CC doesn’t return, the ripple effect will be on the entire roster and the Yankees will become a team in transition, as much as the Yankees can be. Their Plan B seems to involve prospects. The real issue is whether or not to move any of them or Swish for established pitchers.

  53. m October 30th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    CC claimed there was going to be an opt-out clause no matter who he signed with.

  54. Eroc October 30th, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    His agents also implied that he would only use the opt out if he didn’t like it in NY

  55. m October 30th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    The transitional phase would be short-lived. If the FA class of 2012 & 2013 know the Yankees have money earmarked for an ace, then you think they opt to avoid FA?

    Anyway, it’s a scenario that probably won’t come to pass. CC will be back.

  56. pat October 30th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Someone couldn’t love being a Yankee AND want to make the most money he can?

    George did it for the last 30+ years of his life.

  57. raymagnetic October 30th, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    “It being a business doesn’t insulate CC from being judged on how he conducts himself and what his motives are.

    That’s not how life works.”

    There’s nothing he needs to be insulated from because he’s done nothing wrong.

    He was given an option in his contract and if he uses his option then he has done nothing wrong.

    It’s a business. Everyone knows what his motives are if he opts out. He wants more money.

    Hate the game, don’t hate the player, player.

  58. TheStraw October 30th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    In any negotiation, there is always one party who has more leverage than the other. The fact is, CC has the Yankees by the short hairs. He has proven he can succeed in NY, has given them innings and a championship, has not been significantly injured, and is the best (only) available option. They will have to give him most of what he wants. Drawing a hard line with him of all players would be stupid and hypocrtical. He’s not 37 the way Jete was.

  59. raymagnetic October 30th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    “Everyone understands that….he just shouldn’t try to make it sound like he has some strong affection for the Yankees though if he can’t cone to a fair agreement with them.

    Let’s remember that this isn’t some small market tram trying to hold on to their star…..this is the Yankees offering to make a guy the highest paid pitcher ever TWICE. If its about the money then fine…..but don’t try to sell me on it being anything else.”

    Did you really think he wouldn’t use his opt out to negotiate a better deal?

    Yes CC loves playing for the Yankees, but he isn’t playing for free. So why not make the most money you can?

    I don’t care how much CC asks for doesn’t bother me one bit, doesn’t make me think any less of him.

    He’s played hard and done everything the Yankees have asked him to do. If he can make more money then why not?

    The Yankees have no problem getting rid of players they have no more use for. If I were CC I’d rake them over the coals for every last dollar I could get from them all while saying how much I love the team and blah blah blah.

  60. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    “There’s nothing he needs to be insulated from because he’s done nothing wrong.

    He was given an option in his contract and if he uses his option then he has done nothing wrong.”

    He has done nothing wrong as per his contract with the New York Yankees. You are equating the ethics of business with people’s personal ethics which as we see everyday are two VERY different things.

    People everyday make controversial business decisions that others have a problem with on a personal level. They may be nothing wrong from a contractual/legal/business perspective but that has a limited scope.

    “It’s a business. Everyone knows what his motives are if he opts out. He wants more money.”

    Yes. And fans have a right to view him however they choose based on that motive to want more money and judge him based on how he has gone about obtaining that money.

  61. m October 30th, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    CC did what the highest paid pitcher in history was supposed to do.

    He never got short-changed. Its not like he was pitching out of his mind as a league minimum player or some arbitration-eligible player who got hosed by selling his FA years.

    I agree that CC deserves a new contract, but let’s not make like the Yankees deserved to be taken to the cleaners by poor li’l CC.

  62. TheStraw October 30th, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Everyone loves it when the Yankees spending results in wins…isn’t it hypocritical to then criticize a player for trying to maximize his earnings while still professing love for the “team”.

  63. blake October 30th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Did you really think he wouldn’t use his opt out to negotiate a better deal?”

    No I knew he would and I’m fine with him using it to negotiate a new deal with the Yankees…..what I will disappointed with is if the Yankees offer him a new contract that adds onto his already record deal and he turns it down and becomes a FA after all the things he’s said the last couple of years about not wishing to play anywhere else.

    Those of you who feel that “it’s a business” and would be fine with that….ok…you’re entitled to feel that way…..same as I have the right to feel the way I do.

  64. pat October 30th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    By all accounts, CC is a good person who treats other people well. I’m okay with anyone who conducts themselves like that.

  65. m October 30th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Let’s just hope the Yankees & CC’s people are a lot closer than the 50% vs. 53% sides are in the NBA standoff.

    No NBA basketball until December at the earliest. :(

  66. blake October 30th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Gnight all…hopefully CC agrees to end the drama tomorrow and settles for merely being the highest paid pitcher in history ;)

  67. raymagnetic October 30th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    “He has done nothing wrong as per his contract with the New York Yankees. You are equating the ethics of business with people’s personal ethics which as we see everyday are two VERY different things.

    People everyday make controversial business decisions that others have a problem with on a personal level. They may be nothing wrong from a contractual/legal/business perspective but that has a limited scope. ”

    What’s controversial about his business decision? You are making yourself sound really silly. He’s an athlete, was given the right to opt out and he may exercise his right.

    What exactly has he done wrong from a personal ethics standpoint?

    “Yes. And fans have a right to view him however they choose based on that motive to want more money and judge him based on how he has gone about obtaining that money.”

    He’s gone about making his money by being one of the best pitchers in the game and using the right he has to opt out.

    Again, no matter how you try to make him out to be a bad person he hasn’t done anything wrong.

    Like 99.9 percent of athletes it is always about the money.

  68. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    You can say, it’s a business so fans must understand and refuse to judge CC for lying on several occasions about not opting out.

    When he made those statements he did nothing “wrong” when solely judged from a business perspective.

    There are many different types of wrong, so blake for example, is permitted to feel differently about CC.

  69. raymagnetic October 30th, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    You and Blake can feel however you want about CC.

    Truth be told he’s done nothing wrong.

    He never lied, he said he had a contract, which he did. Also, people are allowed to changed their minds, which maybe he changed his mind. I don’t care. He’s done nothing wrong.

    Why are you so intent on making CC out to be a bad person LGY?

    It’s business, it’s not personal.

    But feel however you want to, it’s your right no matter how wrong you are.

    The Yankees have no problem separating business from personal feelings.

  70. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Truth be told he’s done nothing wrong.

    ————————-

    Yes, that’s how YOU interpret the situation. You have made that quite clear. Congratulations for understanding CC properly exercised an option on his contract.

    Where did I express my personal belief of CC or say he is a bad person, btw?

  71. TheStraw October 30th, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    These guys get paid what the market will bear. There is no point in trying to criticize their desire to make money because of the sheer magnitude of their earnings. “After all, we are not communists here”.

  72. raymagnetic October 30th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    “Where did I express my personal belief of CC or say he is a bad person, btw?”

    When you spoke about personal ethics. His personal ethics are just fine.

    Are have you conveniently forgot questioning his personal ethics and the method he’s going about to make his money?

    You infer that he’s a bad person for opting out simply because you’re gonna be upset because he “lied”.

  73. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    When you spoke about personal ethics. His personal ethics are just fine.

    Are have you conveniently forgot questioning his personal ethics and the method he’s going about to make his money?

    You infer that he’s a bad person for opting out simply because you’re gonna be upset because he “lied”.

    ————————–

    Go back and re-read my posts.

    In this conversation, I never expressed how I personally feel about CC or his decision to opt out.

  74. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    Let’s seen, now. you’ve used the words ethics and lying. Exactly how are people supposed to read anything else other than you’re not happy. You sould like a spurned lover.

  75. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    I took issue with raymagnetic saying fans have no right to be disappointed in CC.

    I fully support people feeling differently about CC based on this opt out situation as I understand and see the rationality in both sides of the discussion.

    If you want to impart a particular slant on those words, that’s your issue.

  76. PittsburghYankeeFan October 31st, 2011 at 12:09 am

    Look, the Yankees likely have made CC the best offer anyone can make. They have the most money, and have likely anticipated the market.

    CC was clear for years that the opt out was to see if his family would like NY. Nothing else. Now suddenly he changes his tune?

    This is potentially about wanting to play somewhere else. Think Cliff Lee. Maybe he talks to CC last year and CC says he’s probably going to opt out and play somewhere else? Could that have influenced Lee’s thinking in NY? To the point where he has his agent call Cashman?

    If CC really wanted to play in NY, after making all of these noises for three years, he’d be like Roy Halladay and not opt out. There is no other conclusion–the Yankee have the best offer at the end of the day.

    As a player, he should know this. Trying to get minimal (in the scheme of a career like his, minimal) extra years or $$$ will only damage him with the NY media and fans. Take one look at ARod as the prime example.

    Does CC want to endure 6-7 years of that if he re-signs after opting out? My guess is that if he opts out, he does not want to play in NY.

    So be it. If he chooses to opt-out, he will always be a mercenary, with not a word he says to be trusted. He would be ruined for me, as my guess is that he would be ruined with a lot of NY fans as well.

  77. GreenBeret7 October 31st, 2011 at 12:11 am

    If NYYs are comfortable with offering him more money and more years, why should anybody else care? It’s not like anybody is getting a remate back on beer, hotdogs, tickets or merchandise if they come in under budget. They haven’t missed out on any players because they were being cheap. They may have made personnel mistakes but not going after players they wanted isn’t one of them.

  78. GreenBeret7 October 31st, 2011 at 12:12 am

    getting a ***rebate*** back

  79. PittsburghYankeeFan October 31st, 2011 at 12:16 am

    Baseball is a business. But if it were merely a business, we’d all be watching IBM or Oracle for fun at night or on weekends.

    It’s more than that. This is one of those times where a true star player has an opportunity, at really very little financial risk for himself (let’s face it, he has more $$$$ than he could ever spend), to live with the goodwill of his fan base for the remainder of his career, and likely his life.

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    “m” brought up a good point last night when she talked about next year’s FA class, and how any “transition” for the Yankees would likely be short-lived. They definitely could hold steady and not resort to trading the farm for that one season.

    They would still have to find a pitcher or two out there somewhere, however, to get through. Unless they go with their top AAA starters.

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    Tell that to Soriano ;)

  89. Villa Nova-Ya October 31st, 2011 at 7:08 am

    blake -

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    “Because if an opt-out is there, and the FA market for your position is weak, it is going to be used.”

    ;)

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    blake -

    The Cubs declined his option?

  93. blake October 31st, 2011 at 7:29 am

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    Sox could sign him…..move Youk to DH….and let Ortiz go.

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    It sure looks and sounds like Cano is enjoying this jaunt to Taiwan. Good memories for him. And especially nice that his dad is sharing it with him.

    ****

    “m” brought up a good point last night when she talked about next year’s FA class, and how any “transition” for the Yankees would likely be short-lived. They definitely could hold steady and not resort to trading the farm for that one season.

    They would still have to find a pitcher or two out there somewhere, however, to get through. Unless they go with their top AAA starters.

    I suppose the Yankees have to decide if they are willing to possibly miss the post-season for one year.

    ***

    I’m thinking that if the Yankees were to give too many years to someone, it’s more likely to be to CC than to CJ Wilson.

    I am admittedly disappointed at the idea of dealing with the drama of a CC opt-out. But CC is still CC, and he’s been a great teammate, a great player to root for and a really terrific person. The first time he uttered the words about not opting out (a couple of years ago, right after the WS), I wish he’d never said them. Because if an opt-out is there, it is going to be used. Because there is always a “Cliff Lee” type contract out there that a player is going to want to top. Or their agent.

    My one concern is that CC may in fact want to go to a team with a better supporting starting staff. It is basically CC and a cast of ??s. it wasn’t supposed to be that way; it just turned out that way.

    And yet, in three years, they’ve won a WS and gotten to the playoffs the other two years.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Morning, was on for one post last night. I thought the idiot was gone, but she was lurking as she’s always around to drive you nuts with her lecturing and self proclaimed logic.

    Seems to me like all the chips are in CC corner, he has the leverage not in the fact that the Yanks need/want him, but the numbers from last years Lee offer. Seeems like the Yanks will need to pay at least that to keep him. I guess if the offer they made was Lee like maybe it gets done quickly. We will see as the week goes on.

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  98. Villa Nova-Ya October 31st, 2011 at 8:01 am

    108 -

    That’s quite a leap. Who would say that?

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    You know, I’m thinking about this way too much, really. I admit that. So bear with me if my thinking isn’t linear or seems to contradict itself at times, because really, I’m processing the situation.

    With that in mind, my feeling is this – the source of my “worry,” if you want to call it that, is the state of the Yankees’ pitching staff if CC leaves. It’s the uncertainty that will result.

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    With that in mind, my feeling is this – the source of my “worry,” if you want to call it that, is the state of the Yankees’ pitching staff if CC leaves. It’s the uncertainty that will result.

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