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Short Season Year in Review

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 30, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Even when I was covering minor league baseball, I found it hard to put too much stock into short season and rookie ball numbers. These guys are a long way from the big leagues, and the game is full of guys who put up numbers in short season and rookie ball, but fizzled long before the majors.

That said, first impressions matter, and that’s certainly what these early levels are about. In Staten Island, the Yankees went 45-28 with one of the league’s best lineups and a strong pitching staff. They won the New York-Penn League, making Staten Island the Yankees most successful affiliate this season.

Hitter of the Year: CF Mason Williams
The Yankees fourth-round pick in 2010 was arguably their most buzzworthy selection. While top pick Cito Culver was met with doubts, Williams was instantly praised for his high-end ceiling. He played only five games last year, but this season he earned even more believers with a terrific all-around season in Staten Island. He hit .349/.395/.468 with 28 stolen bases and a league-leading 94 hits (10 more than anyone else). He’s a left-handed hitter but actually had more success against lefties than against righties. Next season will be a new sort of challenge as he’ll play his first full season, but already Williams is challenging Slade Heathcott as the team’s top center field prospect.

Starter of the Year: RHP Bryan Mitchell
Really, there wasn’t a huge difference between any of Staten Island’s top three starters, but — fair or not — Mitchell is certainly the name that stands out. The Yankees convinced him to sign rather than attend North Carolina, and he was the most highly touted starter on the Staten Island staff. His results improved as he threw more innings later in the year. In his last four starts, Mitchell had a line of 21 IP, 17 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 9 BB and 17 K. He’s far from a finished product, he showed glimpses of his potential.

Reliever of the Year: RHP Branden Pinder
Plucked out of college in this year’s draft, Pinder was Staten Island’s closer and finished second in the league with 14 saves. Opponents hit just .152 against him, and he struck out 38 — with just five walks — in 31 innings. He allowed a total of four runs all year, one of them on a home run in his final appearance of the regular season. In the playoffs, he was 3-for-3 in save opportunities with six strikeouts, one hit and no walks. It was an impressive debut from a 16th rounder.

Breakout performance: LF Shane Brown
At this level, pretty much every good performance could be considered a breakout performance. Brown stands out because he was a 23rd round pick last year and hit just .234 without much power in the Gulf Coast League last season.  This season, he clobbered the New York-Penn League with a .446/.544/.635 slash line, and when he was promoted to Charleston in mid-July he kept hitting (.321/.418/.382 after the promotion). The on-base percentage might not be a fluke. Brown had more walks than strikeouts in the GCL last year, and he did it again at each stop this season.

Disappointing numbers: SS Cito Culver
Last year’s first-round pick hit .327/.405/.464 during the month of July, but on the whole, his .250/.323/.337 slash line was uninspiring. The Yankees believe in Culver’s glove and think he’ll be able to stick at shortstop. They also drafted him knowing that he was young with some work to do. The bright side is that Culver hit .324 with a .388 on-base percentage, and obviously that month of July shows that the bat has potential, but those hoping for a huge, breakout season were left wanting more.

Top prospect watch: 2B Angelo Gumbs
Williams and Culver were the top prospects on this team, but Gumbs was a second-round pick last year, moved to second base because Culver has claimed shortstop, and hit a solid .264/.332/.406 this season. He hit third quite a bit, showing the Yankees have some faith in his bat, despite the fact he’s a middle infielder. He’s extremely young, and when Baseball America profiled him as the Yankees 25th-best prospect, it noted that Gumbs is seen as a raw, long-term project.

Notable: Nice year for RF Ben Gamel, the team’s 10th-round pick last year who hit .289/.373/.432 with good production against both lefties and righties… In a return to Staten Island, UT Casey Stevenson played all four infield positions plus right field and greatly improved on last year’s numbers, hitting .272/.374/.386… 1B Reymond Nunez showed improvement in his second half-season in the States… This year’s 21st-rounder Zachary Wilson was the team’s primary third baseman and hit .256/.346/.457 with a team-high 10 home runs. He also spent some time in the outfield… 3B Tyler Austin continued to hit after a promotion from the Gulf Coast League… Finally healthy enough to pitch, RHP Caleb Cotham had 29 strikeouts in 21 innings for Staten Island.

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71 Responses to “Short Season Year in Review”

  1. Red Robin October 30th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    :)

  2. MTU October 30th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    YT-

    “What’s my theory ?”

    That there will always be another one. Like a certain body part we all have.

    :)

  3. MTU October 30th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Chad-

    Just wanted to take a minute to thank you for all your hard work.

    Your knowledge of the MiLB system is fantastic and much appreciated.

  4. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    It’s a good thing David Robertson has a career to fall back on, because he’s not exactly handy with a knife. Selling wood carvings is not in his future.

    I’m hoping he used a foot to hold the knife and not that right hand.

    http://yfrog.com/nul91mwj

  5. ron October 30th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Its good to get a little excited about prospects lower in the system but you shouldn’t got to wrapped up til they start putting up good numbers in AA ball.

    They can move very quickly from there up to the majors.

  6. MTU October 30th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    GB-

    He’d better stick to baseball.

    ;)

  7. 108 stitches October 30th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    The possibility exists that Mason Williams could spend some of 2013 at AA Trenton. He’ll start 2012 at Low A Charleston and move up to Singe A Tampa at some point in the season.

  8. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Robertson may be “The Houdini Of Baseball” but, he’s not exactly “The Picasso Of Pumpkin Carving”.

  9. ron October 30th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Via Jon Heyman and David Waldstein, CC Sabathia plans to opt out of the final four years and $92M of his contract before Monday’s midnight deadline. The Yankees have made their ace left-hander a new contract offer, but he plans on at least looking around to see what the market has to offer. We heard last week that the team was okay with a five- or six-year deal, but not anything more than that. All we do now is wait.

  10. ron October 30th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    By Mike Axisa in Down on the Farm.

    Hector Noesi, RHP: 6 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 5 K, 8-1 GB/FB – now that’s much more like it … hopefully the rust is off and he can run off a few good starts and head into the offseason feeling good about how his season went.

  11. MTU October 30th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    GB-

    He sure ain’t no “DaVinci of design”. That’s for sure.

    Looks like a bad acid trip.

    :)

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    I know it’s early to make predictions about next season but I’m really tempted to put in my Sux call for next season as last in the AL East.

    I guess I should wait to see whether they get CC, Matt Kemp, Albert Pujols, Jimmy Rollins, Jose Reyes, Prince Fielder, CJ Wilson, AND Roy Oswalt. If so, I may have to rethink my position…

  13. Villa Nova-Ya October 30th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Who is David Waldstein?

  14. blake October 30th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    Don’t sell that “how much you love NY ” jazz if you opt out CC……if they offered to make you the highest paid pitcher in history AGAIN 3 years later and its not good enough then that’s fine….it is a business and all of that…..but don’t be saying that your “going to exhaust all efforts to stay ” and how much you love the Yankees and all that……..because youre actions wont tell the same tale

  15. blake October 30th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    I don’t want that to come off as me hating on CC because I love the guy…..but if they offer him 6/140+ or something like that and he shops that offer …….that’ll tell me something

  16. tomingeorgia October 30th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    blake,
    Agreed.

  17. raymagnetic October 30th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    CC doesn’t owe anyone on the Yankees anything. They have a business arrangement.

    This is likely CC’s last big contract so he should use his free agency to his advantage. The Yankees shouldn’t have put the opt out in his contract.

    I have no problem whatsoever with CC opting out. The Yankees have made it VERY clear with their players that this is a business. CC opting out will be making it VERY clear to them that this is a business.

    It’s ALWAYS about the money.

  18. MTU October 30th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Have a good evening Folks.

    Catch u later.

    :)

  19. Villa Nova-Ya October 30th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Is this a certain account? Or conjecture?

  20. austinmac October 30th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Blake,

    I agree on CC. If he rejects a good offer as you suggest, he will be another free agent on the market. The Yankees cannot be held hostage to him. They could likely find value elsewhere with $23M per year.

    I hope the Yankees do offer six years, but no more. Six is a very likely bad deal the last year or more. We have seen this year their are many routes to success.

  21. Villa Nova-Ya October 30th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    If the Yankees didn’t put the opt-out, the Yankees weren’t getting CC.

    CC said he asked every team that he was talking to for an opt-out.

    I know it’s his right.

    Go ahead and try and get a better deal from the Yankees, fine. But try to basically see how high the Yankees will go by going out into the market? What changed?

    If you like being with a team, and they offer you a raise and another year or two, why isn’t that enough?

    Not just CC, but every millionaire ballplayer.

    My logical side has always said it’s just business. But my heart is aching here with this one.

    Frankly, I can’t take another off-season like last year’s Jeter debacle.

  22. blake October 30th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Bottom line……if the Yanks are going to operate on a pretty strict self imposed salary cap…..then every player that squeezes the last dollar they can out of them starts to affect the quality of the club…..its irritating and I get tired of Weavers giving sweetheart deals to stay with their club while every single Yankee treats their contract as an opportunity to get every penny they can…..and I can even blame the players….its just annoying.

    End rant.

  23. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Guys – it will tell you what if CC holds out for the money? That he’s a turncoat and should roll over to show what a good guy he is? It’s a business. It will tell you nothing more than he’s a good businessman. CC loves the Yankees and wants to stay in NY. And if he can do it for the highest price, why in heck shouldn’t he?

    *******
    One of my greatest loves in life is watching beantown teams come thisclose and then fall apart at the last minute. They did it in Baltimore and they are doing it in Pittsburgh. All Pittsburgh has to do is wait out the clock.

    :)

    GO STEELERS!!!

  24. blake October 30th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Yes I know its business ……I just don’t want to hear how much he loves the Yankees if he opts out and squeezes 7 years out of them…..

  25. ron October 30th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Jorge Vazquez, 1B/3B: 16 G, 21 for 62, 11 R, 2 2B, 6 HR, 19 RBI, 8 BB, 16 K (.339/.414/.661)

    Absolutely insane numbers by vazquez in the mexican pacific league.1.075 ops.

  26. tomingeorgia October 30th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    raymagnetic,,
    I agree with you, too, What blake was talking about was what CC said. If he doesn’t sign with the Yankees as the highest-paid pitcher in history, then he’s a liar.

  27. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    NYYs can offer Sabathia a 7 year deal. It’ll be the same thing that they gave Mussina at the same age. Seems that worked out pretty well.

  28. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    Once again, I see this all as premature speculation based on the insecurities of the posters involved – no offense.

    Why not wait to see how it plays out and then decide how you feel about it?

    CC will be back in the Bronx. That’s really all that matters. I think that it’s nonsensical for anyone to have her or his own payroll schedule and make decisions on the good CC or the bad CC depending on whether CC fits into your proffered monies.

    Bottom line – they’re not your monies. Only the Yankees can decide whether what CC ends up being offered is within what they consider to be his worth to the team.

  29. raymagnetic October 30th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    So CC can’t love the Yankees and want them to pay him market prices for his services?

  30. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    blake – I can’t decide whether you are a cynic and skeptic or a softie! Maybe a combination plate?

  31. Kelvin October 30th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    Apparently Yankees have two offers one for five and one for six.

    CC should’ve kept his word and not opt out. Its upsetting to against his own words but who knows maybe he wants out or just wants that lucrative 7th year.

  32. ron October 30th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    I’d let cc walk,if he demands 7 years & would not be suprized at all if cashman let’s him.

    Cashman has turned shrewd like that.

    Doesn’t mind giving 5 years,6 if needed but will wan’t to know exactly what other teams are willing to give cc,before committing more years & money.

    I think gm’s took notice that you can win with a cj wilson leading a staff.
    Carpenter,etc…,also.

    We should of won the detroit series with cc not even being a factor or much of one & with burnett of all people winning a big game.

    Look at the phillies with halladay,lee,hamels,oswalt.

  33. raymagnetic October 30th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    CC did keep his word. He’s using the opt out that he negotiated in his contract.

    I really don’t see what the problem is?

    The Yankees have no problem letting players know that they’re gonna be tough when it comes to negotiations.

    Players have every right to get as much money as they can from the Yankees. The Yankees aren’t obligated to pay the players anything. They make this fact known very well to players. eg. Damon, Johnny – Jeter, Derek – Williams, Bernie

  34. Unnamedsource October 30th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    It may come as a shock to Boone Logan, but MLBAM has now decided to put him on the AAA roster. That’s right, you can see for yourself by following the link:

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....38;cid=531

    As you can see, MLBAM has given him uniform number 47. If you click on his name on the AAA roster, you get a picture of Boone wearing an SWB cap and looking happy to be back in AAA in late October. For status, it says “Assigned to New Team/Level.” Of course, Logan never pitched for SWB in 2011, so his season stats at AAA are all zeros. This is not an obsolete listing that was never changed. I printed out the SWB roster as it appeared on 10/16/2011, and there was no trace of Boone Logan there at that time. Sometime in the last two weeks, someone at MLBAM decided to have some fun.

    In one off season, MLBAM went the whole off season reporting that Carl Pavano was actively ptching at SWB. It is difficult to take MLBAM as a serious media source when they do things like this. And, in this case, putting a veteran major leaguer on your AAA roster listing won’t spur ticket sales to people who believe it because SWB won’t be selling any tickets for 2012.

  35. Villa Nova-Ya October 30th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Trisha -

    You’re really not being fair.

    Yes, baseball is a business and CC has the right, per his contract, to opt out of that contract.

    I thought the intent of that opt-out clause was to allow him and his family an “out” if they were not comfortable in NY. Now, I am a smart person, and I realize that it also gives him an opportunity to try and get a better contract. And the Yankees have offered a better contract on top of the really very excellent contract he already had.

    Shopping that contract around is his right, but you have to see what the ramifications are for the Yankees. There is no guarantee that another team (Rangers? Red Sox? Angels? – I don’t know what team has money) won’t come in and make CC an offer he can’t refuse and the Yankees are not willing to top.

    And if CC leaves, all of the rest of the plans the Yankees have made for this post season mean nothing. And it may be premature. I myself don’t necessarily buy that the reports are true or accurate. But they raise the question. I for one don’t look forward to the prospect of the Yankees having to part with players they never intended to part with because they suddenly find themselves without an Ace. And knowing how the rest of the league is not tripping over itself to help the Yankees out, you know the cost for an Ace will be even more for them, IF a team is even willing to deal.

    Which, I hope, actually, does not happen. I’d rather the Yankees take a step back, take a year off, than trade away the farm.

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Did CC say he wasn’t going to opt out and now he is opting out? Is that the problem?

    I didn’t know he said that – if he did – but if he did it doesn’t bother me. People have the right to change their minds.

    Anyway, I can’t pretend to really care about this issue, because I don’t. All I care about is that CC signs with the Yanks again.

    So, whatever.

    More importantly for the moment – Patriots are on their way to losing this game.

    Have a great night, all.

  37. LockDown October 30th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    We really don’t know how the CC thing will play out. Maybe he tests the market and ends up staying with the yankees regardless, maybe he goes somewhere else, or maybe he takes the raise/extra years that the yankees offer w/o looking around.

    On a personal level, if yankees offer him a raise/extra years & he decides to go somewhere else who offer him a little more, it’ll suck. Not just because we need CC, but it’ll feel like players only want to play for the yankees to get the higher paycheck. While there are other players who will take less for other teams.

    And it’s not as if the yankees are offering little money. CC’s already the second highest yearly paid pitcher & the yankees could make him tied or the highest paid. So I don’t see where it’s just not enough money for someone.

    Anyway, hopefully it all works out. *fingers crossed*

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    Villa – I love you to death, but you worry too much.

    Let things play out. I think you will be happy in the end, because the Yankees will have CC back in the fold. If they can afford him, that’s all that counts. And they can.

  39. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    And by the way – the guy is a horse who never complains about anything. Girardi messed up his entire second half of the season by going with a 6-man rotation and CC never said boo. He has never once complained about situations where he had every right to. No matter what happens, he’s always willing to say he didn’t get the job done when it is total BS that it should be on him.

    You know what? Let them offer him the equivalent of twenty contracts for all I care. He’s worth every penny. And more.

  40. ron October 30th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    “I’m here and I’m comfortable,” he said. “My family is here, we’re settled. This is my deal.”

    Sabathia repeatedly has said he won’t exercise his opt-out, and he indicated Thursday that this player-friendly free-agent market has done nothing to change his stance. “My kids are settled here,” he said. “We love it in New Jersey where we live. This is one of the better cities to be in around Christmas time.”

    By JIM BAUMBACH jim.baumbach@newsday.com

  41. LockDown October 30th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya

    I for one don’t look forward to the prospect of the Yankees having to part with players they never intended to part with because they suddenly find themselves without an Ace. And knowing how the rest of the league is not tripping over itself to help the Yankees out, you know the cost for an Ace will be even more for them, IF a team is even willing to deal.

    Which, I hope, actually, does not happen. I’d rather the Yankees take a step back, take a year off, than trade away the farm.

    This is an excellent point.

    Teams already ask to much from us. They’ll want Montero, Banuelos to start & we can’t lose either. If the yanks had to deal Montero for an ace than they would then have to go out and spend major cash for a DH.

    And like you, I rather not sell the farm

  42. ron October 30th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Girardi,the can’t do no wrong manager that we should all have the ultimate faith in because he is a genious manager messed up cc’s entire 2nd half of the season?

  43. tomingeorgia October 30th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Maybe CC has already agreed to an extension, and it will be announced tomorrow.

  44. Villa Nova-Ya October 30th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    BTW, I’m not saying CC doesn’t “deserve” the 7th year or whatever it is.

    I’m saying, I’m not certain the Yankees will be willing to go that far.

    And Trisha, yes, I worry too much. In general.

  45. Villa Nova-Ya October 30th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    tomingeorgia -

    Maybe! LOL

    I think I need to hibernate until March.

  46. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Good God almighty, then what is this all about? Geeze, you’d think he had already opted out. People here just love to borrow trouble. I hate to use the word hate but how I hate when posters get twenty steps ahead of themselves, always with negative prognostications.

    If he opts out, he opts out.

    Over the weekend a 14-year old little girl in Chicago was stabbed to death when she went home from school and confronted a burglar who had broken into her home.

    I’m really big on perspective in life. Whether or not CC opts out is a blip on the radar screen. I’m reading the tea leaves that tell me the guy’s a champ and wants to remain a Yankee.

    Unless and until I hear otherwise, I’m really good to go.

    See ya, I’m outta here for now.

  47. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    Villa, it’s okay. As you said earlier, you do believe in looking at the possibilities.

    I am guessing that it will be needless worry. But as I am always wont to say, I always run the risk of looking like a total idiot when I make my unequivocal pronouncements. Two sides of the same coin maybe.

    :)

  48. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    It might be noted that there isn’t one confirmation that Sabathia has done anything yet. I wouldn’t take Heyman’s word that it snowed at the North Pole today.

  49. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    ron, Girardi was pretty much out of choices at that point. It wasn’t fair for me to use total shorthand on that. But it still had a profound effect on CC’s performance. And when he was asked about it, he put it all on himself.

  50. Villa Nova-Ya October 30th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    GB7-

    I know!! I Know!!

    I saw Heyman’s name and Waldstein. Who is Waldstein? I never heard of him.

    Trisha -

    I’m sure hoping it’s needless conjecture. I’ll use the word conjecture rather than worry. Because in the grand scheme of things, if CC pitches somewhere else it does not change my life one iota (except when I watch Yankees games, that is!). So while I admit I do worry, this is the kind of “worrying” that doesn’t keep me up nights. ;)

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Look, I’m sorry for being a heavy-handed biotch about this stuff. You all have the right to view it the way you want and to think what you want about what CC does or does not do.

    The best I can do – and should do actually – is state my own position.

    :)

    Night all, for real.

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Villa – gotcha. It’s normal concern as opposed to unproductive worry. And that’s a good thing.

    Good man.

    :)

  53. MTU October 30th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    GB-

    Just in case Heyman tries to pull a fast one you’ll be ready.

    http://forecast.weather.gov/Ma.....#038;lg=en

    ;)

  54. LockDown October 30th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    trisha -

    I don’t see you as a “heavy-handed biotch” at all. You’re my sista on this board *hugs*.

    Fans love to speculate on their sports. And CC opting or saying is a speculation that brings out feelings for some of us.

    But my gut tells me he stays.

  55. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Lock – I love ya!

    :) :) :)

    And I agree with your gut – not suprisingly.

    ;)

  56. Gary October 30th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Is she REALLY gone or still lurking out there.

    Read the Yanks put an offer on the table for CC, let the games begin. I still see him opting out tonight since it’s a win win for him. The Yanks are never going to pull their offer back and theirs only one direction the money and years can go and that is up.

    Ugly Giants showed up for 45 minutes and then decided to play Giant football which means suffocating defense for the last quarter. New England next week, they aren’t going to be happy about losing to the Steelers.

  57. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Waldsewin is a writer for the NY Times and unless it’s hidden in code and you dig out your Captain Midnight Decoder ring, you won’t find it in today’s paper. he also writes for the Mets….so he’s really in the know.

  58. GreenBeret7 October 30th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    ***Waldstein***

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    “Is she REALLY gone or still lurking out there.”

    :lol:

    lurk
    verb \?l?rk\

    Definition of LURK

    intransitive verb

    1

    a: to lie in wait in a place of concealment especially for an evil purpose b: to move furtively or inconspicuously c: to persist in staying

    ********

    Leave it to Gary to use the ugly word! Gary, you’re the one who’d come on the forum at night and rail at people who were rooting for the Rays and then go and talk about the night crew to the morning crew! Baby baby baby!

    No, I don’t lurk. What I tend to do is surf the net and keep multiple browsers open and then if anyone has posted something to me and I am still on the internet, I will respond back.

    But thanks for querying, loosah.

    ;)

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    And I’ll try it one more time!

    “Is she REALLY gone or still lurking out there.”

    :lol:

    lurk
    verb \?l?rk\

    Definition of LURK

    intransitive verb

    1

    a: to lie in wait in a place of concealment especially for an evil purpose b: to move furtively or inconspicuously c: to persist in staying

    ********

    Leave it to Gary to use the ugly word! Gary, you’re the one who’d come on the forum at night and rail at people who were rooting for the Rays and then go and talk about the night crew to the morning crew! Baby baby baby!

    No, I don’t lurk. What I tend to do is surf the net and keep multiple browsers open and then if anyone has posted something to me and I am still on the internet, I will respond back.

    But thanks for querying, loosah.

  61. LGY October 30th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Captain Crunch and boobie bars ain’t cheap folks.

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    And Gary, just to be clear, because of all the sneaky crap you pulled on the forum where you’d act respectful to posters at night and eventually pretend that you saw their point of view and then go and trash them to the morning crew, I will always see you as exactly what you are: a two-faced baby.

    Just so we have no misunderstandings here.

  63. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 30th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Night now, LGY. Maybe I’m leaving!

    ;)

  64. blake October 30th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    So if CC does opt out. What teams could or would be able to match the offer the Yankees have already made? Let’s say they offered 6/140 already.

    Red Sox- absolutely with the money they have coming off, the need for SP they have and the “stick it to the Yankees factor”
    Rangers- they made a similar offer to Lee last year.
    Nats- one dumb owner theory

    Those are really the only 3 I can think of.

  65. ron October 30th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    The rs have to dish out a ton of money in arb raises,so a chunk of the money coming off will go to that & a gone is getting a massive raise,like 15-17 million a year,just to agone.

    Doubt they add 7 years @ 23 million a year for another pitcher.

    They would have close to 60 million tied up with becket,lackey,cc with lester & buchholz getting much more expensive & still having to spend on pap or another closer that will cost 10 million.

  66. ron October 30th, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    They would have to get results out of their team because there will be no wiggle room for years.

  67. PittsburghYankeeFan October 30th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    If CC opts out, it’s likely to see if the Phillies make him an offer, for less.

    Good luck trying to live in Alpine and commute if he pulls that stunt.

    CC is getting the best deal from the Yankees, period. He has a chance to do enormous good will by not opting out. Supposedly his agents say he wants to stay in NY. The opt out was not even about money–it was about how much he and his family liked NY. Take the $140 x 6 or whatever–or try to negotiate. Don’t fail to reply to the offer, as has been reported.

    If he opts out, it tells a lot about the player. This is then not about $$$$ anymore, and it tells you how much he really wants/or does not want to be a Yankee.

    It will be very hard for him to recover from this with the NY fans and NY media.

  68. PittsburghYankeeFan October 30th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    blake

    Red Sox: not sure any player wants to spend 6-7 years in that mess. Who’s the manager? Who’s the pitching coach? Does the FO have your back?

    Rangers: Chuck Greenberg made that offer to Lee, and note he is not with the club anymore. Nolan Ryan and Daniels aren’t going there. Plus, 82 games in that heat?

    Nats: look for them to be players with Pujols or Cecil Fielder, as well as Papelbon.

    My gut says the Phillies, and not for $$$$ if he does it. Just like his buddy Cliff.

  69. blake October 30th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    The Phillies said all season that they were close to in the red …..I just can’t see them adding another huge contract in their rotation when they clearly have other more pressing needs.

    I don’t think CC would actually go to the Red Sox……but I do think they coukd push the price…..as coukd the Nats and Rangers. CC will stay in NY because in the end they will pay the most money…….I just hope the price isn’t driven too high and that why I was really hoping they coukd work something out this weekend.

  70. PittsburghYankeeFan October 30th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Remember that P (aka the potential son of Tino Martinez) was on here saying that CC was going to opt out since he didn’t like Girardi or something like that?

  71. PittsburghYankeeFan October 30th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Blake

    I hope they work something out this weekend as well. They have until tomorrow night.

    Heyman is a moron, and a shill for Boras, who must have something at stake here, even though he is not the agent. This smells like Boras, who wants a CC opt out to drive up the price of all of his clients.

    When Joel Sherman tweets it, I’ll believe it–he appears to be a bit more connected.

    Nobody though the Phils had the cash for Lee, either. I agree it’s pretty dumb, but you just never know.

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