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Waiting for CC

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 31, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

So far, everything has gone as expected.

The Yankees picked up the options on Robinson Cano and Nick Swisher, they declined the option on Damaso Marte, and they settled on a new deal with Brian Cashman (a deal that could become official at any moment). Now they’re waiting on CC Sabathia.

We all knew this day would come.

It’s been assumed since March — since before that, actually — that Sabathia would opt out, and that’s still the assumption. It’s also been assumed that the Yankees would work hard to retain him, and that’s certainly the case.

If this day ends with Sabathia opting for free agency, it won’t be a stunning blow. It will be a perfectly predictable event. The Yankees will still be the overwhelming favorites to have Sabathia in their rotation next year, and Sabathia will still be a guy making a sound decision for himself and his family.

We’ve all known this day was coming. Now it’s here.

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266 Responses to “Waiting for CC”

  1. Gary October 31st, 2011 at 8:15 am

    If this day ends with Sabathia opting for free agency, it won’t be a stunning blow. It will be a perfectly predictable event. The Yankees will still be the overwhelming favorites to have Sabathia in their rotation next year, and Sabathia will still be a guy making a sound decision for himself and his family.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    When it comes down to money I don’t think anything is overwhelming. Are the Yanks the favorites sure, but if others get involved it can get messy in a hurry. At this point I think he knows what he wants and the Yanks will have to give it to him.

  2. blake October 31st, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Everyone expected CC to use the opt out clause as leverage to get more money out of the Yankees…..I don’t have any problem with that as it was in his contract and he has that right.

    If he takes the Yankees offer, opts out, and shops it then I will think that’s shady dealing……especially if they offer him 6 years and more money per year after he’s talked up how much he loves the Yankees the last couple years.

    If its about the money then fine …….but don’t roofie me and try to call it romance CC.

  3. Gary October 31st, 2011 at 8:19 am

    blake October 31st, 2011 at 8:16 am
    Everyone expected CC to use the opt out clause as leverage to get more money out of the Yankees…..I don’t have any problem with that as it was in his contract and he has that right.

    If he takes the Yankees offer, opts out, and shops it then I will think that’s shady dealing……especially if they offer him 6 years and more money per year after he’s talked up how much he loves the Yankees the last couple years.

    If its about the money then fine …….but don’t roofie me and try to call it romance CC.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Blake one never knows especially when agents are involved, they would sell out their mother. I think it’s the Lee offer. I can’t expect him to be thinking about getting more, but if you were going to give it to someone else, then give it to me also. If the Yanks offer less than Lee then it’s a problem.

  4. upstate kate October 31st, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Nicely put Chad

    I hope this is settled soon. I don’t want another repeat of last year w/ all the horrible Jeter posts.

  5. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Kate-

    Me too.

    And Good Morning by the way.

    :)

  6. upstate kate October 31st, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Happy Halloween
    Hope everyone’s day is full of treats not tricks!
    CC- are ya listenin’ ?

  7. Gary October 31st, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Happy Halloween, how’s the snow Yuck! :-)

  8. blake October 31st, 2011 at 8:27 am

    Yes Happy Halloween everyone. Im going to not talk about CC anymore until I see what actually happens.

  9. Gary October 31st, 2011 at 8:28 am

    I see there are 7 billion of us in the world now. What’s that saying why can’t we just all get along?

  10. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Blake-

    Good idea. Cross that bridge if and when we come to it.

    ;)

  11. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Happy Halloween everyone :)

    Chad-very nice post.

    I won’t be surprised at all-but I will be disappointed simply because I hate all of the drama that him opting out will inevitably cause.

  12. Gary October 31st, 2011 at 8:32 am

    MTU October 31st, 2011 at 8:29 am
    Blake-

    Good idea. Cross that bridge if and when we come to it.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Media will make it news, expect wall to wall CC stories this week unless it ends quickly. Can’t remember when we got him, how long did that take?

  13. Villa Nova-Ya October 31st, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Gary,

    To respond to you post on the last thread.

    Certainly all those things are there, too. But, the Yankees had a pretty good season with a lot of loose ends flying about. So I am not concerned about all of that. The Yankees have a good base, core, skeleton, whatever you want to call it. Each year is about overcoming challenges that come up, for all teams. The ALDS didn’t end favorably, but for me that does not take away the success during the 162. I understand others see it differently.

    With CC in place, I have confidence that the rotation will round out around him. Without CC, it’s a lot more complicated.

    ***

    Happy Halloween everyone!

  14. Villa Nova-Ya October 31st, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Erin -

    Agree about the drama. Might have to make it a sports-news-free couple of months. (Hope not)

  15. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 8:37 am

    CC_Sabathia Hey yall, thanks to @dino my twitter account is back up and running…what did I miss??

    well, CC, according to Jon Heyman you’re opting out. ;)

  16. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Gary-

    Different situation entirely IMO.

    Back then there was some doubt he even wanted to be on the East coast.

    They had to put on the full court press. Even Reggie Jackson was involved.

    This time it’s probably about money and years. Mostly the former.

    ;)

  17. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 8:40 am

    I see Gary the two-faced baby has made an appearance. You’re smart to stay out of my face or I will start dragging out your old posts to let all your chatting pals see who you really are.

    West Coast Sux Fan is gone and this place is much better for it. If you want to hang around, pretend I don’t exist. I don’t need you monitoring or stalking my posts.

    *****************

    MTU – peace in the valley only works when there aren’t treacherous ranch hands working the land.

    ;)

    ****************

    I guess it’s not surprising that generally speaking, those people supporting CC to the hilt are the same ones that are very tolerant of player mistakes and supportive of the Yankees even when they lose and those who are potentially upset with him and want to jettison him in some fashion are those who tend to be most critical of the Yankees and less tolerant of in-game mistakes.

    There may be exceptions. Just an observation that would tend to make sense anyway. The more patient of us are more understanding of whatever CC chooses to do; the less patient would be inclined to think CC should do things a certain way and that’s it.

    *************

    I admit that I do not know whether CC ever said he would definitively never opt out or what his agents implied, but if CC did say that, then he also has the right to change his mind. He may have said something at a point in time where it made sense to him and circumstances may have changed in some fashion. For example, maybe he didn’t know what it was going to be like to be ridden like a horse in New York as opposed to be ridden like a horse in Milwaukee. (Just a hypothetical.)

    I have no idea what he intends to do, other than believing that he intends to be a Yankee, and that’s what I really care about. After observing him as a player and a human being, I don’t think they come any finer or more dedicated.

  18. blake October 31st, 2011 at 8:41 am

    MTU,

    How are you bud…..hope life has settled down a bit for you.

  19. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Villa Nova-I was just so, so hoping they would be able to extend him before he used the stupid thing. Sigh. ;)

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 8:47 am

    MTU – I posted something to you a while back but it may have gotten lost. I didn’t realize that you had tough times until probably a lot later than others did because I wasn’t here all the time so missed the information until I saw it in passing. I hope you know that my thoughts and prayers have been with you because they have and I always hope that whatever the situation, times are better for you and will continue to get better. I think we all have people here with whom we tend to bond well and you have always been one of those people for me. Your humanity and kindness are hard to miss.

  21. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 8:50 am

    “If this day ends with Sabathia opting for free agency, it won’t be a stunning blow. It will be a perfectly predictable event. The Yankees will still be the overwhelming favorites to have Sabathia in their rotation next year, and Sabathia will still be a guy making a sound decision for himself and his family.”

    Chad, yes.

  22. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Trisha-

    Good morning.

    Snow up in your part of the valley ?

    Nothing some spicy food and whiskey can’t fix.

    You have been thru a lot in the last year.

    Peace would be most welcome.

    I just had an f5 tornado blow thru my life so I definitely seek peace in it’s wake.

    By the way, I love the Western motiff of your comment but you knew I would.

    ;)

  23. pat October 31st, 2011 at 8:51 am

    GB

    Maybe Cash is just waiting for the power to come back on at his house or to dig himself out to the end of his driveway- whichever happens first- to get his contract finished. :wink:

  24. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Blake/Trisha-

    Many thanks for the kind thoughts. Most appreciated.

    Blake that F5 blew thru and Most the mess has been clened up.

    Things are decidely more optimistic right now.

    That is why I have been posting more.

    By the way, don’t Dentist’s just love this time of year ?

    :)

  25. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Oh my God, MTU! Geeze I didn’t know that. That’s horrible. I hope that family (pets included) are all okay and that you didn’t have a ton of destruction. If there is any way I can help out, other than prayer, please let me know. That’s what friends are for.

    :(

    (did you ever have anything like that before with tornadoes?)

  26. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Actually, the only that really p/o’ed my yesterday was that our frige decide to turn into Lake Michigan righ in the middle of the PBR finals.

    Now that sucked !

    :(

  27. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 8:56 am

    “By the way, don’t Dentist’s just love this time of year ?
    :)

    :)

  28. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Gossip Break:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesi.....55hGtXP5FO

  29. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Trisha-

    It was a metaphorical F5 not a literal one. That’s what the evnts felt like.

    Sorry for the confusion.

    :(

  30. GreenBeret7 October 31st, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Just a guess, but at least one person on here will like these Cano pix

    http://lockerz.com/s/151889981

    JackCurryYES Jack Curry

    Robinson Cano batted against his father, Jose, in a home run hitting exhibition at XinZhuang Stadium in Taipei. He hit 5 hrs in 15 swings.

    Cano playfully blamed the wind for limiting his HRs while Jose said his son’s swing was rusty. Both wore one of Robinson’s uniform jerseys.

    Jose pitched to his son when Cano won the HR derby at the All-Star Gm. Today was just a one-man show. “That way, I have to win,” Cano said.

  31. 86w183 October 31st, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Well under the Yanks philosophy they wouldn’t extend/re-do his contract until AFTER he opted out, right?

    Doesn’t matter much, we’re talking semantics.

    Bottom line, if the Yanks don’t get it done before Thursday and he hits the open market I don’t think they stay in it.

    I don’t view this is an absolute “must” deal for the Yanks. CC had a better year than any pitcher in the World Series didn’t he? A clear # 1 “ace” is great to have, but its hardly mandatory. There’s more than one way to get it done.

    The 2000 World Champs are a perfect example — The top 3 starters were Pettite (19-9, 4.35), Clemens (13-8, 3.45) and El Duque (12-13, 4.51)

  32. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 9:02 am

    GB- :D

    I saw his pictures on Twitter last night-so cute that his dad went with him.

  33. blake October 31st, 2011 at 9:02 am

    MTU,

    Good for business ;)

  34. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 9:03 am

    MTU –

    :(

    I’m an idiot.

    Well I like what you said about posting here more meaning that most of the mess has been cleaned up. That’s obviously a good thing. But thoughts and prayers will continue to be there.

    And spicy food and whiskey (or spiced apple cider for me!) are always the perfect antitdote, yes?

    :)

  35. Yankee Trader October 31st, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Good morning all. I don’t even live up north and my electricity was out this morning until a few minutes ago. Hope everyone is well and warm and ready as kate said treats, not tricks!

    CC will probably enter the FA market. That’s his right. However waiting till all the teams interested in offering him a contract meet with his agent could take a while, forcing the Yankees to delay other decisions.

    I hope he comes back-the sooner the better! :)

  36. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Trisha-

    Definitely 2 of the 5 food groups.

    Thanks. Things seem to be on the upswing. I hope it continues.

    Tectonic plates of our life seemed to shift suddenly under our feet.

    Sometimes it’s like that. I am just like you when it comes to Family.

    Blake-

    That’s what I thought.

    ;)

  37. blake October 31st, 2011 at 9:07 am

    I want CC to stay but if Texas or somebody offered him 7/165 or something then Id seriously consider letting him go as opposed to topping that offer……personally I don’t think any team will go there …..but if they do then longterm I think the Yankees could spread that money in a lot of directions and strengthen the team in different but possibly equal ways.

    Im not one who thinks the Yankees are doomed if CC leaves……

  38. pat October 31st, 2011 at 9:09 am

    I really dislike Curtis’ backpack. I have all season in postgames when he was wearing casual clothes but even more when he’s wearing a suit.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/i.....um=twitter

  39. Yankee Trader October 31st, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Spicy food and whiskey aren’t reccommended if you have no electricity!

    Erin-Why isn’t A-Rod working on his swing and not swinging in Vegas! Maybe he’ll take up acting and retire early from baseball.

  40. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 9:09 am

    YT-

    My theory is that if a player is given an opt out they are gonna use it to their advantage.

    ;)

  41. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 9:10 am

    YT-

    W/o the juice it’s needed all the more.

    :)

  42. Villa Nova-Ya October 31st, 2011 at 9:13 am

    pat -

    Definitely not a GQ look.

  43. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 9:13 am

    You know how you know this World has really changed ?

    When the top half dozen of so Professional Bull Riders come from another Country.

    In this case from BRAZIL !

    Wow. Where’s Roy Rogers and Gene Autry when you need ‘em ?

    :(

  44. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 9:13 am

    “Tectonic plates of our life seemed to shift suddenly under our feet.”

    Great metaphor, MTU. And so very true.

    My bold gut prognostication is that things will remain on the upswing for you. I pride myself on being right, so this one better hold true!

    :)

    This isn’t spicy, but a friend of mine made it up, and boy was it delicious. She made zucchini parmigiana. She made it the same way you’d make eggplant parm, only she substituted zucchini. It was wonderful!

  45. pat October 31st, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Erin
    Alex showing a true dedication to health and wellness taking his trainer with him everywhere. :wink:

  46. upstate kate October 31st, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Pat
    better than a man purse :)

    I guess we were too far north to get any of the snow! It was just cold up my way.
    Can’t blame Canada for that one LGY!

  47. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 9:15 am

    pat- definitely doesn’t go with the suit. LOL

  48. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 9:16 am

    pat October 31st, 2011 at 9:14 am
    Erin
    Alex showing a true dedication to health and wellness taking his trainer with him everywhere

    *********************

    :lol:

  49. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Trisha-

    As long as there is plenty of hot sauce on it it sounds good.

    I used to hate Zucchini. We had a garden and it grew like mad.Better than anything else. Seemed like we could never get rid of all of it.

    Got so I never wanted to see another Zucchini.

    :)

  50. Yankee Trader October 31st, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Blake-

    Since I think the west coast teams have other needs without signing CC to a guaranteed 7 year contract, teams that might show serious interest are the Tigers who might want a lefty ace to team up with Verlander.

    Think the Angels and Moreno have already said they aren’t going where no man has ever gone-in signing CC to the richest pitching contract ever. They need a 3rd baseman-Aramis Ramirez?

    Texas-Maybe-but they might just move Ogando back into the rotation with Feliz, or be big players in Darvish if he decides to leave.

    Nationals have $$$$-but will they use it to try and get offense-Fielder?

    Other teams might just be in it to raise the ante.

    Thoughts?

  51. blake October 31st, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Saw Paranormal activity 3 this weekend…..(aka 95% the same movie as Paranormal activity 1 and 2)

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 9:19 am

    37 degrees in this valley. I’m dogging my morning walk but will definitely eventually push myself to do it – it might be my afteroon walk by the time I do it, but I will do it. (very important to get the exercise in, especially with Hallowee candy gracing my countertop!!!)

    OT – I watched the Madoff peeps on 60 Minutes and have to say that I now believe that they had no idea about what was going on. I really watched the body language and they sure didn’t have any of the tell-tale signs of deception going on.

  53. pat October 31st, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Kate

    I’d prefer a “murse” .

  54. Yankee Trader October 31st, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Blake-

    Paranormal Activity-Getting ready for tonight?
    I saw Puss and Boots. :)

  55. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Kate, I have the feeling that when all is said and done, you will end up trumping all of us when it comes to feet of winter snow!

  56. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Blake-those movies are addicting. I saw 3 a couple weeks ago. I jumped several times, but not as much as the first two.

  57. blake October 31st, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Trader,

    I think Boston will jump in on principle if he opts out…….they’ll make the Yankees pay top dollar to sign him back. You know Henry would love to steal CC….and while I can’t see CC going there….if he opts out then that suggests that he wont be above using them as leverage

  58. Villa Nova-Ya October 31st, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Trisha -

    I watched that, too. I had one idea going in, and another afterwards.

  59. 108 stitches October 31st, 2011 at 9:22 am

    The C.C. situation won’t be turning into a debacle. Just by looking at the financials of the few that would make him an offer is just that – an offer.
    Texas for example has salary considerations this year and next if they wish to remain contenders in their division and higher.
    We know about Boston and their dislike of exceeding the luxury tax. Count them out.
    Philly has Rollins and a closer to think about first. Shane Victorino next year.

    Cots is a good glance of what teams face going forward.

  60. 86w183 October 31st, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Intentional ignorance is hardly an endorsement of Bernie’s loved ones.

    They should all be living in boxes on 10th Ave

  61. blake October 31st, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Erin,

    Yea….while I love anything set in the 80s (that automatically makes it scarier and better) I didn’t think it was as good as the first 2. Lot of ways they coukd go with another though.

  62. Yankee Trader October 31st, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Got so I never wanted to see another Zucchini.
    ———————————–
    MTU-

    This picture then is for you to brighten up your day!!!

    http://www.google.com/imgres?i.....8;dur=7021

  63. El Duque October 31st, 2011 at 9:24 am

    I wish Cashman would have said yesterday: This is our deal if you opt out! If you don´t like ! Good Bye!

    Take the draft picks and let the fat man go!

    I think we really need him for the next two days … but in 3 years the deal will kill us!

  64. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 9:24 am

    YT-

    I have no doubt in my mind that all other things being equal (which they ain’t) CC would love to be Pitching for a west coast team.

    Particularly one from the Bay area.

    Our jobs are frequently where the moolah is though.

    :)

  65. El Duque October 31st, 2011 at 9:24 am

    not 2 days 2 years …

  66. blake October 31st, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Boston doesn’t need to actually be interesting in signing CC to impact the amount he will get….

  67. blake October 31st, 2011 at 9:26 am

    I’ve been watching mike and mike for over an hour and they have yet to even mention the WS that I’ve heard…..ESPN makes me dislike football.

  68. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 9:26 am

    YT-

    :)

    That kid might be smiling now but he’ll grow up to hate Zucchini.

  69. upstate kate October 31st, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Trisha
    Probably so. I think this is the year we invest in a snow blower. Last winter was brutal.

  70. Yankee Trader October 31st, 2011 at 9:28 am

    ESPN makes me dislike football.
    —————————–
    For me it’s Michael Vick.

  71. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Kate-

    ” I think this is the year we invest in a snow blower.”

    What’s your husband’s name again ? Or your son’s ?

    ;)

  72. Villa Nova-Ya October 31st, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Actually, if the rest of the starting staff is younger and cost-controlled, or on short-term deals, they can carry CC as the years go by. AJ will be gone in 2 years. That will help. By then 4 of the 5 pitchers should balance CC’s salary.

  73. Yankee Trader October 31st, 2011 at 9:30 am

    That kid might be smiling now but he’ll grow up to hate Zucchini.

    MTU-

    LMAO.

  74. ac1 October 31st, 2011 at 9:31 am

    I don’t get it. When CC opts out, it’s good business. When A-Rod opted out, he was a greedy jerk?

  75. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 9:31 am

    blake October 31st, 2011 at 9:26 am
    I?ve been watching mike and mike for over an hour and they have yet to even mention the WS that I?ve heard?..ESPN makes me dislike football.

    **************************

    I tuned in for a minute this AM just to see who they were dressed as. Greeny’s wig is beyond awful. Have they gotten over talking about the Steelers and Patriots yet?? ;)

  76. pkyankfan69 October 31st, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Offer CC a 1 year extension and 2 mill bonus per year.

    If he gets a better offer then 5 years 125 million then bye bye CC.

    With the Yankees surplus of pitching in the minors that is either ready or a year or two away and the great FA class of starting pitchers after next season it seems silly to offer CC 7 years when he is likely to breakdown halfway through the contract.

  77. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 9:33 am

    YT-

    “LMAO”

    That’s a good thing. Beats cryin’.

    ;)

  78. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 9:33 am

    YT – Puss and Boots was the number one box office seller this weekend. I think it must mean that people really need some good stuff in their lives.

  79. blake October 31st, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Nope…..still talking about Steelers/Patriots.

  80. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Read where Beurhle opted out too.

    ;)

  81. upstate kate October 31st, 2011 at 9:34 am

    MTU

    hubby has a bad back that allows for skiing, biking, running etc etc, but not too much shoveling.

    son is at college 4 hours away :(

  82. Triple Short of a Cycle October 31st, 2011 at 9:34 am

    If CC likes it here which I assume he does why not rework his deal with the Yanks instead of opting out?

    He is just another of a long list of players who try and rape the Yankees and take advantage of them.

    Certainly nothing like Mo,Andy or Oneill

  83. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Or at least became a FA.

  84. ac1 October 31st, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Give the Cliff Lee contract 5/120 (CC can have 5/125 and the 6th year option)
    Once you pass 6, i say you have to let him go and hope we can find enough pitching to cover us in 2012 before the next FA class.

  85. blake October 31st, 2011 at 9:35 am

    I also saw Soul Surfer for the first time this weekend and I thought it was great……

  86. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Kate-

    Then I guess you do need that snowblower.

  87. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Blake-that doesn’t surprise me. At all. lol

  88. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Re: Puss in Boots. I’m a cat person, so I’ll admit that a part of me wants to see it. But I don’t think I’ll go see it in the theater. ;)

  89. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Blake-

    I try to stick to “body surfing”.

    When I visit the ocean that is.

    I’ve heard Dune surfing can be a lot of fun too.

    We have plenty of that out here.

    ;)

  90. bardos October 31st, 2011 at 9:40 am

    CC opting out is his way of telling the Yankees they low-balled him with this weekend’s offer.

    CC opting out, if he intends to come back, hurts the team as far as it delays winter planning.

    CC opting out is saying he really needs job security with an extra year and 25 million dollars extra.

    Makes it appear that there is a big difference in one’s bank account between 150 and 175 million dollars.

  91. Yankee Trader October 31st, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Everyone-have to go and get some exercise in my life. Until later. Have a great day and stay warm!!!

  92. MTU October 31st, 2011 at 9:42 am

    When it’s all said and done I expect CC will “come to Poppa”.

    :)

  93. Yankee Trader October 31st, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Windsurfing or just plain surfing the web!

  94. 86w183 October 31st, 2011 at 9:51 am

    The only difference between “greedy SOB” and “good business” is how you feel about the individual involved.

    CC is more likeable than Alex — thus it’s just good business.

  95. LGY October 31st, 2011 at 9:52 am

    You are the Yankees. CC opts out and after a couple weeks comes back to you ready to get a deal done. From your insider research you are confident no one has come particularly close to your pre opt out offer.

    Do you lower your offer?

  96. 86w183 October 31st, 2011 at 9:54 am

    CC has already made over $ 100 M and is guaranteed another $ 92 M.

    If I hear one word about security for his family I’m gonna puke.

  97. yankee21 October 31st, 2011 at 9:55 am

    LGY,

    I don’t even let it get to that stage if I’m NY. I tell CC this is our best offer, if you opt out, your Yankee days are over.

    But my best offer is a total of 5 years/120 million.

  98. Villa Nova-Ya October 31st, 2011 at 9:57 am

    LGY -

    Absolutely not. That is not doing business in good faith.

  99. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 9:58 am

    LGY- no

  100. blake October 31st, 2011 at 9:58 am

    “Do you lower your offer?”

    Yes ….I would tell him that the offers is only good if he doesn’t opt out and if he does its off the table and we start fresh based on the market.

  101. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 10:00 am

    fran_cervelli Wishing @RobinsonCano & @CGrand14 a great trip as they participate in the @MLB #TaiwanAllStarSeries. Tune in this week – @MLBNetwork!

  102. blake October 31st, 2011 at 10:01 am

    So I don’t necessarily lower the offer…..but the offer pre-opt out would be off the table. The Yankees are making that offer in an attempt to keep him from opting out…..he has every right to opt out but the Yankees have every right to pull that offer if he doesn’t accept it. If the market turns out to be less than originally thought……tough.

  103. austinmac October 31st, 2011 at 10:08 am

    If CC opts out after receiving a six year offer, if that is what has been or will be offered, I would be ready to move on. The Yankees cannot do another long term deal which assures a lack of production in the last years of $20M plus contract. I would rather take a chance this year without him. At some point, enough is enough.

    I agree with Blake it would be a mistake to simply leave their offer on the table for him to shop. If he opts out and begins talking with other teams, I would remove the offer.

  104. 86w183 October 31st, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Would be a much more interesting off-season if he opts out.

    Makes a Darvish offer far more likely I would think… CJ Wilson too

    Wilson, Nova, Darcish, AJ, Hughes? Certainly good enough for post-season.

    CC + Colon + Marte + Garcia + Igawa + Mitre + Ayala + Brackman = $ 40 M which should be enough to get that done and still leave a bullpen of Mo, Robertson, Soriano, Logan, Wade, Noesi plus some 12th guy.

  105. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 10:14 am

    DKnobler Tony La Russa announces retirement http://bit.ly/vtRDY5

  106. blake October 31st, 2011 at 10:15 am

    SI_JonHeyman 1 min la russa goes out in style. good for him. #larussaretires

    Wow

  107. blake October 31st, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Wonder if this affects Pujols decision.

  108. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Wilson, Nova, Darcish, AJ, Hughes?

    ************************

    I think I’d run screaming down the street in horror if Wilson was starting Game 1 :P

  109. upstate kate October 31st, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Is that for real? It is Halloween, not April Fools Day.

  110. pat October 31st, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Ultimatums accomplish nothing.

    If he can better your offer, you can still stick with the original one and wish him well if he chooses to go elsewhere.

    If you issue an ultimatum and he doesn’t better the offer and signs somewhere else for less, what you’ve accomplished is losing a player you wanted at a price you wanted to pay him.

    You showed him!

  111. Jerkface October 31st, 2011 at 10:18 am

    If NYYs are comfortable with offering him more money and more years, why should anybody else care? It’s not like anybody is getting a remate back on beer, hotdogs, tickets or merchandise if they come in under budget. They haven’t missed out on any players because they were being cheap.

    Because the Yankees have missed out on players because they were being cheap (Mike Cameron, Beltran, Holliday, any reliever ever) and the bigger the contracts the more it affects the Yankees decisions in any given year. Even if you mistakenly believe the Yankees are willing to spend unlimited money (they aren’t) and that a free agent signing won’t affect them (it will), you fail to consider the 40 man impact of signing players. The Yankees don’t cut bait on players easily and thus each big signing commits a 40 man spot for the foreseeable future which then limits their ability to get more / different / better players.

    And even if you don’t consider the 25/40 man, you have to consider the 5 man rotation and the limited spots there and Sabathia being on the team in 7 years instead of 5 or 6 could mean the difference between Kershaw on the team or not.

  112. Shame Spencer October 31st, 2011 at 10:24 am

    I was never a big LaRussa fan but good for him..now maybe we can stop hearing about how he’s the greatest manager of all time (once the presser is in the can) lol.

    Also.. I refuse to go see a movie that’s called ‘Puss In Boots’ no matter how much family fun is packed into it. They could’ve called that movie anything lol. I mean, ‘Puss In Boots’?! Really??…..REALLY?!

  113. Jerkface October 31st, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Signing any player has opportunity cost. We signed Tex so we can’t sign Pujols or Fielder (if the Yankees had unlimited money and didn’t care about it they’d sign 1 anyways)

  114. Villa Nova-Ya October 31st, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Jerkface -

    I don’t know. I think it’s an assumption that they Yankees had actual interest in the players you cited.

    The fans definitely had interest. And perhaps the Yankees had some interest, but not the level of interest it takes to pursue a player aggressively. Perhaps the Yankees learned something about those players they didn’t like. We just don’t have that kind of information.

    And frankly, I wish I never again have to see Holliday’s name here as a “woulda shoulda coulda” guy – twice in the playoffs, and twice left a lot to be desired.

  115. LockDown October 31st, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Erin – :lol: CJWs post season has been lackluster. But maybe he’s due to come up big :?

  116. YES October 31st, 2011 at 10:27 am

    The opt-out clause was to given to him to assure him he could leave if he did not like pitching or living in New York. It was not meant for him to use as a way to get more money from the Yankees.

    He is already the highest paid pitcher in MLB, but certainly not the best.

    If he wants more than 5 years at $25 million per, than I would move on. A 6th or 7th yr. option at $12-$14 million per yr. would be worth discussing since that is what the Yanks were willing to pay another left-handed 38 yr. old pitcher in 2009 & 2010 (Andy Petitte).

    But $25 million per yr. in his late 30′s would be a hugh mistake, he was barely worth that this year.

    Also, remember that with the exception of 2009, CC has a history of pitching poorly in the post-season. He also has a losing record against the Red Sox, & a losing record against teams with a wining record. Sure he beats up on the Baltimore’s & Seattle’s all the time, but thats not who the Yankees face in the Playoffs.

  117. pat October 31st, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Does Albert get to pick the new manager if he stays?

  118. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Shame- I don’t know, Puss in Boots is a catcher title than “The Cat from Shrek” ;)

  119. LGY October 31st, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Looks like Terry Francona’s next job just opened up.

  120. Jerkface October 31st, 2011 at 10:35 am

    I don’t know. I think it’s an assumption that they Yankees had actual interest in the players you cited.

    They clearly tried to trade for Mike Cameron and got vetoed on cost. They clearly tried to get Beltran but Steinbrenner wanted Randy Johnson instead and apparently you can only have 1 or the other (why not both?)

  121. BIG AL October 31st, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Perhaps I’m the crazy one, but, I offer CC the same contract as was offered to Cliff Lee, if he turns it down I tell him how much we’ll miss him pitching for the Yankees.

    CC then can change his name to Paladin – Have Gun Will Travel.

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 10:35 am

    “hubby has a bad back that allows for skiing, biking, running etc etc, but not too much shoveling.”

  123. blake October 31st, 2011 at 10:36 am

    “Ultimatums accomplish nothing.”

    So telling him the offer is only good if he doesn’t opt out is an ultimatum? The Yankees have rights just like CC does…….it is a business you know ;)

  124. blake October 31st, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Again if the Yankees are goings to continue to have a self imposed salary cap then they need to save money where they can…..if that mean hard negotiating with Sabathia then so be it.

  125. Villa Nova-Ya October 31st, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Jerkface -

    I remember Beltran wanting to come to NY; I don’t know how strong the interest was in the opposite direction.

    I thought Cameron was some kind of risk?

    It’s not clear to me sometimes how much is true and what is media driven.

    Like this situation with CC now.

  126. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 10:49 am

    I meant to add –

    :lol:

  127. pat October 31st, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Blake

    It’s always business just not always good business.

    Making an offer you can afford and not raising it based on fear is good business.

    Withdrawing an offer because you want the upper hand is bad business.

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Some people insist on borrowing problems where none exist!

    :)

    My guess is that the Yankees and CC will work out a mutually-agreeable solution and CC will be back in the Bronx. While I think that’s all we should care about, it is apparent that some posters want the dukes put up and have drawn a line in the sand!

    Uh, okay.

  129. Triple Short of a Cycle October 31st, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Withdrawing an offer because you want the upper hand is bad business.

    ———————————————

    Isn’t this what Cash wanted to do with Arod?

  130. Irreverent Discourse October 31st, 2011 at 10:52 am

    The Yankee’s have basically zero leverage with Sabathia… they’ll be begging him to go for money over years, but in the end… CC will basically get what he wants or the Yankees rotation will be royally F’d next season.

    You can downplay his performance… or try to anyway. Doesn’t mean you are right.

  131. blake October 31st, 2011 at 10:54 am

    “Withdrawing an offer because you want the upper hand is bad business.”

    They are making an offer now to attempt to keep him from opting out…..if he doesn’t take it then he’s forfeiting that security. Why should the Yankees leave that out there for his agent to shop?

  132. Triple Short of a Cycle October 31st, 2011 at 10:56 am

    You can downplay his performance? or try to anyway. Doesn?t mean you are right.

    ————————————————

    Put Wilson on the Yankees instead of CC and they still make the playoffs.

  133. blake October 31st, 2011 at 10:57 am

    If CC opts out its because he wants to gain the high ground in negotiations ……why is it ok for it to be “just business ” for him and not the Yankees?

  134. Duh Innings October 31st, 2011 at 10:59 am

    If (when) C.C. opts out, the Yanks should offer him this:

    4 years @ $25M per year = $100M guaranteed

    $25M vesting option for 2016 if he pitches at least 200 innings in 2015 or 350 innings in 2014-15

    $25M vesting option for 2017 if he pitches at least 200 innings in 2016 innings or 350 innings in 2015-16.

    Bonuses for winning regular season and post season awards, finishing in the top five in the A.L. Cy Young Award voting, top ten for A.L.M.V.P. voting.

    That’s a record $150M for the next six years and a record $219M total for 2009-17 if he’s worth his salt durability-wise in 2014-16 or 2015-16 plus bonuses.

    The Yanks should re-sign Chien Mien Wang who turns only 32 next 3/31 to a year and $1.5M base (what Freddy Garcia got for 2011) C.C. taking the offer or not.

    If C.C. doesn’t take the offer, the Yanks should be firm with their offer, let him go if he’s firm on rejecting it, and have the entire AAA rotation of Noesi, Banuelos, Warren, Betances, and Phelps battle for the fifth starter slot in spring training for a 4/5ths homegrown rotation of Burnett/Nova/Hughes/Wang/winner of the fifth starter job in spring training to start 2012 (note TO START 2012.) The Yanks could always get a starting pitcher via midseason trade. I would go to war with Matt Cain/Burnett/two from Nova, Hughes, Wang, and whoever else in the ALDS.

    Why break the bank with the wildcard playoff game beginning in 2013? The Yanks could theoretically make the postseason with as little as 85-87 games and win it all if they get hot in any season 2013 on. I could be mistaken, but the 2008 Yanks would’ve won a wildcard slot had the wildcard playoff game began that year, and if so they’d have won it with their then ace Wang being out for the season.

  135. Irreverent Discourse October 31st, 2011 at 10:59 am

    Triple – You can say that, that doesn’t make it true. You have no idea if Wilson can pitch in NY.

  136. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 10:59 am

    ESPNNYYankees wallace matthews by AndrewMarchand
    expect an announcement from the Yankees regarding Brian Cashman’s contract this afternoon

  137. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 11:01 am

    What am I missing in this whole scenario, because I am apparently missing something if people are so up in arms about a hypothetical!

    Help me out here, seriously.

    1. CC has an opt out.

    2. The Yankees have allegedly proffered him an offer, since they want him back.

    3. Negotiations typically consist of someone starting low, someone demanding high, and a meeting in the middle.

    What in the name of God has CC done to earn all this ire? Anything?

    Anyone?

  138. 86w183 October 31st, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Erin —

    In the last two regular seasons CJ Wilson has been just as good as CC Sabathia — his 3.14 ERA is almost the same as CC’s 3.09.

    His post-season ERA of 4.82 is not good, but the last 2 years CC’s post-season ERA is 5.84

  139. 108 stitches October 31st, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Show me a general manager that makes decisions based on what the media and fans think and I’ll show you a short term general manager.
    That’s why good baseball minds like Billy Eppler, Damon Oppenheimer, Gene Michael, Mark Newman and others are on the Yankee payroll. They’re privy to any and all information Cashman needs to make his decisions.

  140. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 11:03 am

    “Put Wilson on the Yankees instead of CC and they still make the playoffs.”

    Triple, I wouldn’t bet the house on that. Of course I can’t know for sure, but I wouldn’t take a chance on Wilson over CC if I had the opportunity to get CC back. JMO

  141. Triple Short of a Cycle October 31st, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Triple ? You can say that, that doesn?t make it true. You have no idea if Wilson can pitch in NY.

    ———————————————————–

    Why wouldn’t he be able to pitch here? Most of that stuff is a myth anyway. People say Javy couldn’t pitch here but he was lights out the first half of his first year here and then he got hurt and last year his velocity was gone. Pavano was hurt the whole time he was here. Wright just wasn’t that good.

    So other then Ed Whitson where are all these guys that can’t pitch here?

  142. Irreverent Discourse October 31st, 2011 at 11:04 am

    CJ Wilson has now officially thrown 200 innings twice, after having not been stretched out like any other pitcher normally is. Who would honestly be that surprised to see him have an elbow/shoulder issue next season?

    We have to start talking about him like he’s a acceptable option to replace CC. He just flat out is not.

    CC offers you the type of stability that you can not get anywhere else. That’s why he makes what he does. Wilson’s contract won’t come anywhere near CC’s current one.

  143. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 11:04 am

    “In the last two regular seasons CJ Wilson has been just as good as CC Sabathia — his 3.14 ERA is almost the same as CC’s 3.09.”

    Look at the division he plays in!

  144. blake October 31st, 2011 at 11:04 am

    “What in the name of God has CC done to earn all this ire? Anything?”

    Im not mad at him….I’ve just said I would be disappointed if he rejects the Yankees offer and opts out. We are just discussing scenarios…….its that time of year ;)

  145. Irreverent Discourse October 31st, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Triple – Randy Johnson rings a bell. Also, Javy absolutely counts. In the last 3 years he has wrapped Cy Young seasons in the NL around a campaign in NY where he couldn’t beg for a out.

  146. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 11:05 am

    “CC offers you the type of stability that you can not get anywhere else. That’s why he makes what he does. Wilson’s contract won’t come anywhere near CC’s current one.”

    Absoutely agree.

  147. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 11:06 am

    blake – thanks.

    :)

    Maybe you can help me with this also because it’s obvious I don’t pay full attention. Did CC come out and say he would not opt out of his contract at some point, because I think that’s what some posters are saying.

  148. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 11:06 am

    ESPNNYYankees wallace matthews by AndrewMarchand
    Scratch the Cashman announcement for today. Yanks just said it won;t be today; no explanation of why, and Cash not taking calls

    Too busy getting CC’s deal done???? ;)

  149. blake October 31st, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Wilson and Sabathia aren’t owe to comparable ……..if CC leaves I still wouldn’t sign Wilson unless his price tag goes in the dumpster

  150. tomingeorgia October 31st, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Paul Maholm just became available. Any interest?

  151. blake October 31st, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Owe = close…..don’t ask me

  152. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 11:08 am

    blake, no way to know for sure, but do you think the Yankees are going to offer him top dollar and years without having any kind of negotiation? If you think there’s a chance they could low ball him only because negotiations typically tend to go that way, and understandably so, would you theen be disappointed in him if he did opt out – if he felt they weren’t giving him all they could?

  153. LGY October 31st, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Both World Series teams lost their Ace from the previous year.

    The Yanks would be a worse without CC but it’s not the end of the world to lose him.

    No one player makes or breaks a team.

  154. Triple Short of a Cycle October 31st, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Triple, I wouldn?t bet the house on that. Of course I can?t know for sure, but I wouldn?t take a chance on Wilson over CC if I had the opportunity to get CC back. JMO

    ———————————————–

    I’m not saying I would either but I just have a hard time believing that if CC wasn’t here that the Yanks would be screwed and could not make the playoffs

  155. Duh Innings October 31st, 2011 at 11:10 am

    I just checked and the 2008 Yankees would’ve won a wildcard slot and homefield advantage in the wildcard playoff with their 89-73 record to the 88-74 records through 162 games the White Sox and Twins finished with, had the wildcard playoff began that year.

    This means whoever lost the season series between the White Sox and Twins would’ve won the other wildcard slot (no one-game playoff to determine the A.L. Central winner.)

    So the 2008 Yanks would’ve still made the postseason without their ace.

    Therefore, no guaranteed fifth and sixth years or seven or more years to C.C.

  156. pat October 31st, 2011 at 11:11 am

    “Isn’t this what Cash wanted to do with Arod?”

    Look how well that worked. :wink:

    “Why should the Yankees leave that out there for his agent to shop?”

    The Yankees should make the best offer they are comfortable with and if he can find more wish him well. That’s good business.

    Saying you won’t negotiate with someone who doesn’t do what you want means you are willing to lose them even at a price you might be willing to pay. That’s bad business.

    “why is it ok for it to be “just business ” for him and not the Yankees?”

    Because real leverage works and manufactured leverage doesn’t.

  157. Irreverent Discourse October 31st, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Apples are red, but sometimes green… and blueberries are purple. We shouldn’t offer CC anything!

    Seriously, how do you draw some of these conclusions…

  158. 86w183 October 31st, 2011 at 11:13 am

    CJ Wilson’s career ERA —

    Vs Boston 1.43
    Vs LA Angels 3.57
    Vs NY Yankees 3.80
    Vs Tampa Bay 2.25
    Vs Detroit 5.56

    Those are the best teams in the AL over the past two years

    The guy is good.

    While I definitely prefer CC to say he isn’t an adequate replacement is based on nothing factual. He’s the best FA pitcher available right now and better than any starter the Yanks have other than CC.

  159. Triple Short of a Cycle October 31st, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Triple ? Randy Johnson rings a bell. Also, Javy absolutely counts. In the last 3 years he has wrapped Cy Young seasons in the NL around a campaign in NY where he couldn?t beg for a out.

    ————————————————–

    Randy Johnson was pitching with bulging disks in his back here and needing surgery and he still wound up winning 19 games. Its not like he left here and won the cy young.

    So not being able to pitch in NY caused Javy’s velocity to plumet?

    How do you explain Javy having a great first half?

  160. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 11:14 am

    I’m never big on any player in particular but I’d had like heck to lose CC – not that it’s going to happen. I know what my eyes show me, and he’s hard core all the way. It’s everything that he brings to the table that makes him so valuable.

    I think you can etch this in stone. There is no way the Yankees let CC walk.

    And I don’t think I’m putting myself out there to potential derision in saying that. I believe they know he is that valuable to the team.

  161. Villa Nova-Ya October 31st, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Trisha -

    CC did say it. I remember because the minute I heard the words come out of his mouth, I wished he didn’t say it.

    I believe it may have been after the 2009 season; it’s hard for me to remember exactly – I tend to remember generalizations and don’t bother using (wasting?) brain cells on specifics that don’t have any use to me in a practical way.

  162. DaSaint007 October 31st, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Happy 1st Birthday to my son Aiden! Daddy loves ya, and still hope’s you’re the starting SS for the Yankees in 2020. Kid has talent, I see it already. LOL!

    Yankees did what was expected – exercise options on Cano & Swish, and offered Cashman a new contract.

    CC will do what we expect and opt out. Hope Yankees match Lee’s contract and offer an additional year or two. IMHO, 6 years @ $150M sounds more than fair.

    I hope this is settled quickly, so we can move on to other needs – more pitching options.

  163. DaSaint007 October 31st, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Oops, starting SS in 2028 or 2030! Kid isn’t THAT talented!

  164. pat October 31st, 2011 at 11:18 am

    ESPNNYYankeeswallace matthews
    Scratch the Cashman announcement for today. Yanks just said it won;t be today; no explanation of why, and Cash not taking calls

    ESPNNYYankeeswallace matthews
    my guess is Cashman is waiting for CC’s decision before agreeing to take the job (Just kidding, crazies!)

  165. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 11:20 am

    awww…happy birthday to your son DaSaint! :)

  166. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 11:21 am

    BloggingBombers Indians pick up 2012 option on Fausto Carmona; decline 2012 option on Grady Sizemore.

  167. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Happy Birthday Aidan! I hope you get nice Yankee information as a birthday present!!!

    :)

  168. TheStraw October 31st, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Reposting my post from last night:

    In any negotiation, there is always one party who has more leverage than the other. The fact is, CC has the Yankees by the short hairs. He has proven he can succeed in NY, has given them innings and a championship, has not been significantly injured, and is the best (only) available option. They will have to give him most of what he wants. Drawing a hard line with him of all players would be stupid and hypocrtical. He’s not 37 the way Jete was.

    And this morning I am even more of a belief that the Yankees really neeed CC back. They need a veteran presence on the staff and an innings eater. He offers both. Pay the man.

  169. blake October 31st, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Trisha,

    If they lowballed him then no…..but I really doubt they did.

  170. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 11:27 am

    I’m so not worried about the CC situation I don’t think I could be any less worried. That’s because it is painfully obvious and logical that he’s going to be in pinstripes.

    It is not unusual for players to be locked up beyond what someone would consider their prime. In fact, it’s turned into the opposite.

    So I will lead the prayer. Thank you God for CC Sabathia. He has made the Yankees a much better team, he has given them innings when they’ve desperately needed them, and he has never complained a whit about anything. He is great with charities and is a class act. If the Yankees need extra money, tell them I’ll be happy to contribute some of my weekly allowance.

    Trisha the ever grateful.

    :)

  171. Triple Short of a Cycle October 31st, 2011 at 11:27 am

    And this morning I am even more of a belief that the Yankees really neeed CC back. They need a veteran presence on the staff and an innings eater. He offers both. Pay the man.

    ——————————————–

    Lets say Yanks offer 6 years and CC wants 8. You still paying him?

  172. jacksquat October 31st, 2011 at 11:28 am

    “and Sabathia will still be a guy making a sound decision for himself and his family.”

    Oh please spare me. He has already said he and his family love it in NY. So unless he was lying about that also (in addition to not opting out), it’s all about squeezing out every last dollar. He has that right, but he’s risking getting Damon’d and his family having to move again.

    If he’s not willing to accept 2 additional years and a raise in AAV, then let him bounce on his fat ass.

  173. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 11:28 am

    blake – do you think they made (what would/could be) their very top offer? No way of knowing, again, but good business people rarely do that, do they? I know that in all of the negotiations I sat in on, both sides always started out making their highest demands of the other side and offering as little as possible.

  174. Chambliss October 31st, 2011 at 11:28 am

    I understand the risks associated with giving CC a long term deal for big money, but I think that you have to do it if you want to hang up banner #28 before A-Rod and Jeter retire. The starting rotation has too many question marks beyond Sabathia.

    Hughes, AJ, Nova, Colon, Joba, Garcia, Darvish (assuming that the Yankees get him), Banuelos, and Betances are all talented, but not one of them fits the definition of proven and reliable.

    CJ Wilson has some good numbers, but he pitches in a very weak hitting division. What kind of numbers would CC have going against the likes of Oakland and Seattle several times per season instead of Boston and Toronto? I don’t have any stats to back this up, but I think that CJ Wilson is the kind of guy who would be a bust in pinstripes. He reminds me of a left handed Jeff Weaver.

  175. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Villa, I’ll see if I can find the article. My walk got put off ’til late this afternoon (yay!) so I have a little google time.

  176. jacksquat October 31st, 2011 at 11:32 am

    LGY October 31st, 2011 at 11:09 am
    Both World Series teams lost their Ace from the previous year.

    The Yanks would be a worse without CC but it’s not the end of the world to lose him.

    No one player makes or breaks a team.

    Thank you, at least someone is rational around here.

  177. TheStraw October 31st, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Look at the other players who have gotten 7 year deals recently: Werth, Crawford, Lee, Tex.
    CC is head and shoulders above them all based on what he ahs contributed to his team. Unfortunately, the Arod 10 year contract has teams, notably the Yankees, gun shy. But you must look at that contract through the prosm of what Alex was when it was signed: a guy who was on pace to break the HR record and who at that point had no taint of steroids. The Yankees were trying to ensure that he as in pinstripes when it happened. Every contract has some degree of risk, and it is easy to second guess ones that don’t work out (see Feliciano, Pedro).

  178. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 11:33 am

    “CJ Wilson has some good numbers, but he pitches in a very weak hitting division. What kind of numbers would CC have going against the likes of Oakland and Seattle several times per season instead of Boston and Toronto? ”

    86w183, that’s the piece that’s missing here. Wilson doesn’t see AL East teams the way he sees his own league. So calling out his stats against the AL East isn’t the same as calling out CC’s stats.

  179. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Straw – you can continue to talk for me.

    ;)

  180. ac1 October 31st, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Grady Sizemore is a free agent?
    A flier on him? When healthy he is pretty darn good. Put Gardner back to 4th OF.

  181. Villa Nova-Ya October 31st, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Trisha, here is one article:

    http://bronxbaseballdaily.com/.....ut-clause/

  182. pat October 31st, 2011 at 11:36 am

    JackCurryYESJack Curry
    Walked through Snake Alley in Taipei with Cano and Granderson. It’s called that because they sell shots of snake blood. Bot Yankees drank it

    Bud looking to have snake blood added to PEDs list ASAP.

  183. TheStraw October 31st, 2011 at 11:36 am

    I just don’t understand the anger directed at a guy who has been one of the three most important players and best players on this team for the last three years (Cano and Mo being the others). Would people really balk at paying Mo or Robbie what they deserve?

  184. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Just….gross ;)

    JackCurryYES Walked through Snake Alley in Taipei with Cano and Granderson. It’s called that because they sell shots of snake blood. Bot Yankees drank it

  185. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 11:38 am

    pat-that would only be if Alex had a shot of it. ;)

  186. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Villa – I found it, or at least reference to it.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....eFvIJm8ONL

  187. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 11:39 am

    “I just don’t understand the anger directed at a guy who has been one of the three most important players and best players on this team for the last three years (Cano and Mo being the others). Would people really balk at paying Mo or Robbie what they deserve?”

    Nor do I. Nor do I.

  188. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Villa, hadn’t seen your link.

  189. 108 stitches October 31st, 2011 at 11:40 am

    tomingeorgia October 31st, 2011 at 11:07 am
    Paul Maholm just became available. Any interest?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Possible option depending on the C.C. negotiations, Danks, Buehrle, or Wilson.

  190. blake October 31st, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Trisha,

    No I doubt they offered their absolute top dollar….but would guess they offered an amount that represents a number that would be close to what he’ll get in free agency.

    The thing is that as a Yankee fan …if he gets paid more then it does affect the rest of the team….so while I really have no doubt he will be back…..him milling the process for all its worth and holding the Yankees over a barrel WOULD impact other moves……unless Hal changes his recent payroll limits.

  191. Villa Nova-Ya October 31st, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Trisha -

    Another:
    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......fter-2011/

  192. pat October 31st, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Erin- :lol:

    Apologies if this old news was posted long ago but I had never seen it.

    Bryce Harper Yankee fan! Let the free agency clock begin. :wink:

    http://deadspin.com/5847631/br.....last-night

  193. Triple Short of a Cycle October 31st, 2011 at 11:43 am

    I just don?t understand the anger directed at a guy who has been one of the three most important players and best players on this team for the last three years (Cano and Mo being the others). Would people really balk at paying Mo or Robbie what they deserve?

    —————————————————————

    He said he wouldn’t opt out. Like I said before how much is too much? Especially for a guy that continues to pitch average at best in the post season not including 2009

  194. blake October 31st, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Id love to sign Sizemore as a 4th outfielder……but he’s going to be looking for an every day job to build his value back…..and my guess is that some team will give him one.

  195. TheStraw October 31st, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Exactly Trisha.

    If their were other players out there available who might, and underline the word might, be better, then maybe your risk letting CC go. However, those guys (Kershaw, Felix, Verlander) are few and far between, and the trend now seems to be for their current teams to extend them before they reach free agency. If there was one thing about the Yankees I would change, it would be their policy of not negotiating with players already under contract. CC is the only decent starting option out there, period.

  196. 86w183 October 31st, 2011 at 11:49 am

    It’s fine to assume CJ Wilson has fattened up on weak hitting Oakland and Seattle lineups.

    But it isn’t true

    His ERA against Oakland (3.73) and Seattle (4.04) is higher than his ERA against Boston (1.43), Tampa Bay (2.25) and L.A. Angels (3.57

  197. TheStraw October 31st, 2011 at 11:49 am

    “He said he wouldn’t opt out. Like I said before how much is too much? Especially for a guy that continues to pitch average at best in the post season not including 2009″

    Like I said before, these guys get what the market bears. To be angry at them because of sheer magnitude of dollars is ridiculous. And you need to get to the post season before you can pitch “average” there. The guy averages 19 wins a season, pitches over 230 innings every year, has been relatively injury free.

    Why are people so caught up on his statement? His agent probably reamed him out for saying that the next day. Changing your mind about wanting a merit based raise from your boss doesn’t make you a liar.

  198. blake October 31st, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Wilson’s stuff was really down in the playoffs and he couldn’t locate anything…..one worry is that the innings jump is finally hitting him….that, his delievery and lack of track record really would scare me on a big contract.

  199. Triple Short of a Cycle October 31st, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Like I said before, these guys get what the market bears. To be angry at them because of sheer magnitude of dollars is ridiculous

    ————————————————–

    So I ask you again if CC wants 8 years and another team is willing to do it do you as the Yankees give him that 8th year?

  200. TheStraw October 31st, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Wilson could not even fill one of CC’s ample pant legs. I would love to have him as a number two though, although he would probably get more elsewhere in that scenario.

  201. G. Love October 31st, 2011 at 11:54 am

    A little perspective; Bernie once shopped himself to the Red Sox and almost signed there. Mo was offered a huge deal from Red Sox last season. Jorge used the Mets to get more years & money from Yankees. This is the business.

    As fans, it’s tough to separate emotion from the business but if CC opts out it doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to be a Yankee. If CC goes to Boston or Texas and gets wined and dined it doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to be a Yankee. It means just like other Yankee greats, he’s using the competition to get the top dollar.

    While I hate it as a fan, it’s been done here for a long time and I don’t expect it to stop.

    That said, if Cashman can get him to extend w/o opting out? I hope the fans show him love in the late years of the contract. If he does that it would be a pretty special thing in my eyes as he didn’t do the dog and pony show of going to visit other teams to make the Yankees pay more than they initially offered.

  202. TheStraw October 31st, 2011 at 11:54 am

    ‘So I ask you again if CC wants 8 years and another team is willing to do it do you as the Yankees give him that 8th year?”

    First of all, that is a huge assumption seeing that there has been no talk of eight years.

    Seven, I would absolutely do for the reason I stated above–he is better than all the other current players with 7 contracts.

  203. Villa Nova-Ya October 31st, 2011 at 11:55 am

    At the time CC made those statements, I always thought he shouldn’t have, but in reality, how could he answer it?

    No Comment?

    I don’t expect to?

    It’s too early to say?

    I don’t plan to use the opt-out, I like it here?

    I believe he said the last one. I’d imagine it was true at the time that he didn’t plan on using it; and it’s true he likes it here. Any other of the other answers would have been tantamount to saying, “yes, I’m going to use my opt-out” and I’m sure that is not a good way to go.

  204. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 11:56 am

    G. Love-great post

  205. Triple Short of a Cycle October 31st, 2011 at 11:57 am

    A little perspective; Bernie once shopped himself to the Red Sox and almost signed there. Mo was offered a huge deal from Red Sox last season. Jorge used the Mets to get more years & money from Yankees. This is the business.

    ————————————————————–

    I see you left out Andy refusing to go to the Sox where more money was offered or Oneill agreeing to less money to stay here. So not everyone treats it as a business

    Also Mo wasn’t seriously playing the Sox against the Yankees. The Yanks made no attempt to sign Bernie and forced himself to look elsewhere and Jorge well I’ve never forgave Jorge for pulling that crap

  206. TheStraw October 31st, 2011 at 11:57 am

    G Love- well said.

  207. 86w183 October 31st, 2011 at 11:57 am

    All you CJ WIlson critics need to offer up an alternative course of action in the event the Yanks lose CC.

    Blake —

    Wilson had a better post-season ERA the last two years than CC. Many speculated last year that his “extra innings” were a factor in him not pitching well in the post-season. Then this year he pitches to a 2.94 ERA in 223 1/2 innings.

    A 5-year deal is risky for any pitcher. But I’d be more worried about 6 years and $ 150 Million for CC than I would 5 years and $ 85 M for CJ.

  208. Triple Short of a Cycle October 31st, 2011 at 11:59 am

    All CC had to say is right now I’m just concerned about pitching as well as I can for the Yankees. Thats what Jeter would have done

  209. TheStraw October 31st, 2011 at 11:59 am

    I don’t think you can compare contracts in 1999-2000 to one 11 years later. The whole climate has changed due to revenue sharing, the Mitchell report, and other factors.

  210. TheStraw October 31st, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    “Wilson had a better post-season ERA the last two years than CC.”

    What was his W-L pct in the postseason this year? Zero point zero zero.

  211. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Villa and blake, after having read those articles, I can understand why you are feeling some sense of anticipated disappointment if CC should opt out. And villa, I can understand why you say you wish he had never said it.

    Nobody knows what’s going to happen, and I hope for the sake of the fans who have vested interest in what moves CC makes, it works out to your liking.

    I don’t typically get involved in hot stoving it because I let the Yankees do the negotiating and the worrying and then I root for the team that shows up. And to me, that’s the best way to live my life.

    That said, I am making an exception here. The Yankees need CC as much as CC needs the Yankees. I feel confident that the Yankees will do whatever it takes to get CC back to the Bronx. He is one player we do not want to be without. It takes a lot for me to be so drawn to a player’s worth that I’m willing to give up my allowance to help. But the day is here.

    CC back to the Bronx, or bust.

  212. Villa Nova-Ya October 31st, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Triple -

    And the “right now” part of that?

    You see?

  213. Mike in Harrisburg October 31st, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Any word on whether Soriano will opt out?

  214. jacksquat October 31st, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    TheStraw October 31st, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Seven, I would absolutely do for the reason I stated above–he is better than all the other current players with 7 contracts.

    You left out ages of the players when they signed those 7 years contracts.

    Next year will effectively be CC’s age 32 year (he’ll turn 32 mid season), so if you do 6 years it makes him 37 in his final year. That’s plenty.

  215. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    mike, I believe Soriano has already said he wil not opt out. At least I believe that’s what I read here.

  216. TheStraw October 31st, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Cliff Lee- same age. Numbers worse.
    Werth- Overpaid vs performance so far.
    Crawford- Oveverpaid vs performance so far.
    Tex- was a lot younger. remains to bee seen if he can turn it around.

    CC- Three straight years of 19 wins, three-ish ERA 230+ innings. I’ll take the chance on his age. He has done nothing to prove otherwise. I believe the 6 man rotation is what screwed him up down the stretch this season.

  217. blake October 31st, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    86,

    Track record……he’s started for 2 years and is over 30. A lot more risk these than with CC who has been money in the bank for years.

    Trisha,

    Yup

  218. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg October 31st, 2011 at 12:01 pm
    Any word on whether Soriano will opt out?

    *********************

    I don’t think there’s been anything official, I’ve just seen that he’s expected not to. Which is not surprising.

  219. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    JackCurryYES For those who asked, I didn’t sample snake blood on Snake Alley. I wanted to focus on reporting. Yeah, that’s it. I was focused on reporting

    :lol:

  220. blake October 31st, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Plus….the way CJ throws the ball is a TJ surgery waiting to happen.

  221. Triple Short of a Cycle October 31st, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Anyone know when the bidding is if Darvish posts? The Dice K results were announced Nov 6th I believe

  222. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    CJ Wilson, loud mouth malcontent or cool dude? (And would his schtick play well in the Bronx and in the Yankee clubhouse?)

    I’ll let you decide.

    http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/.....fans-mound

  223. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/b.....2/32963840

  224. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    JackCurryYES The players said the snake blood shots, which were mixed with wine, weren’t bad. Pablo Sandoval said his shot tasted like chocolate.

  225. LGY October 31st, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    What do Crawford, Werth, and Tex have to do with CC’s market value?

    And Lee got 5 guaranteed with a 6th year vesting option. Far cry from 7 guaranteed years.

  226. jacksquat October 31st, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    CC has done nothing to prove he can pitch worth $23mil+ per year at age 38+. Not many pitchers do, post roid era. And his weight can only be seen as a negative.

    I’m surprised so many complain about big money to old players yet are so willing for the Yankees to be put over the barrel and overpay yet again.

    The Yankees shouldn’t pay more than any other team would. No other team is going to pay CC for 7.

    And Lee did not sign for 7:

    Cliff Lee lhp

    5 years/$120M (2011-15), plus 2016 option

    signed by Philadelphia as a free agent 12/14/10
    11:$11M, 12:$21.5M, 13:$25M, 14:$25M, 15:$25M, 16:$27.5M club option ($12.5M buyout)

  227. jpb173 October 31st, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    Id love to sign Sizemore as a 4th outfielder……but he’s going to be looking for an every day job to build his value back…..and my guess is that some team will give him one.

    ================================================

    Sign Sizemore and include Brett Gardner is a deal for King Felix.

  228. blake October 31st, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    “Hughes’ greatest accomplishment as a pro has been to forsake his slider in favor of a knockout curveball, which is more of a strikeout pitch and produces less stress on his arm. It’s a true power breaking ball that sits in the low 80s with 1-to-7 break. Club officials call it the best in the system because Hughes can throw it for quality strikes or bury it out of the zone, and because he uses the same arm slot and release point he uses for his fastball.”

    Pretty interesting breakdown on Hughes at RAB which compares each of his pitches throughout his career to league average.

    http://www.riveraveblues.com

  229. BIG AL October 31st, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Last year at a Knick game, CC was asked if he was going to opt out, his response was, “No, I signed a 7 year contract, and I intend to honor it”.

    So, this is why many fans are upset that he appears ready to opt out now. Yes, he has the right to opt out, and yes he has the right to change his mind, but, wouldn’t it be nice if just once people did what they said they were going to do, and stopped all the bullsh*t.

    Again, I think he should be offered the same contract we were willing to give Cliff Lee, and if he turns it down, say good-bye. This could perhaps help the Yankees in future contract negotiations.

  230. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    “So, this is why many fans are upset that he appears ready to opt out now. ”

    If he does not opt out, hopefully we can have a moratorium on articles from anyone who has reported that he is opting out. The press’s job is to create interest – facts oftentimes be damned.

  231. austinmac October 31st, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    I hope Cashman’s deal is not being announced since he is up to his elbows with CC. It does seem a bit curious since I read he and his lawyer were reviewing the contract yesterday. That would suggest some issue(s) remain.

    After last off season, I am a skeptic about everything. Maybe a good off season would help my post traumatic offseason stress disorder. :)

  232. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Anyway, I know he’ll be back and so what I say to that is goody goody!

    GO YANKS!!!

  233. spidanyc October 31st, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Sign Sizemore as the Yankees new LF and trade Swisher, Martin, Noesi & Nunez for King Felix. Seattle desperately needs offense and with this trade they get their new LF, catcher and SS/2B. Sizemore replaces Swisher, while Romine replaces Martin. I gotta believe that both Swisher and Martin have trade value and plus they both have 1 year left on their contracts.

  234. Jerkface October 31st, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Sizemore has hit .220 .280 .379 .659 the past 2 years with knee problems. Can’t sign him and expect him to play every day.

  235. austinmac October 31st, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    With respect to Sizemore, perhaps a team where he didn’t have to play every day would be a good transitional year for him. The Yankees are very good at protecting their players, and he may need it.

  236. Triple Short of a Cycle October 31st, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Sign Sizemore as the Yankees new LF and trade Swisher, Martin, Noesi & Nunez for King Felix. Seattle desperately needs offense and with this trade they get their new LF, catcher and SS/2B

    ——————————————————

    If you play fantasy baseball can I be in your league next year?

  237. blake October 31st, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Id like to take a flyer on Grady…..but he’s way too much of a risk to pencil in the lineup every day.

  238. BIG AL October 31st, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    trisha -

    I hope you’re correct. I just can’t see the Yanks having too many aging players under long term contracts as a good thing. This is sure to impact how they operate in the future with regards to FA’s, as well as players being brought up through the system. As the aging players brake down, and they will, what do you do, keep playing them, buy them out, bench them, all at the expense of making changes that will be needed to be made.

  239. tomingeorgia October 31st, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    blake,
    The risk taken on Chavez worked out, sorta. The same kind of thing on Sizemore could work, too.

  240. pat October 31st, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    No other manager ever “went out on top”?

    GordonEdes FROM ELIAS: Tony La Russa is the only individual in major-league history to win a World Series in his final season as a manager.

  241. DaSaint007 October 31st, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Thanks Erin & Trisha!

    Yes, Yankee gear is in the package of gifts.

    Speaking of gifts, my wish list is as follows:
    Sign CC on a renewed 6 year contract
    Sign Garcia to a 1 year contract for the back end of the rotation.
    Sign Chavez as backup 3B/1B or if he retires, sign Wilson Betemit as replacement.
    Get a second lefty for the pen.
    Hope Hughes is healthy.
    Hope AJ can be better than a .500 pitcher
    Hope Joba is ready for the 2nd half of 2012.
    Hope the 2012 Soriano is the Soriano we saw at the end of 2011.

  242. TheStraw October 31st, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    It seems like what many here want is a salary cap. If you think that no pitcher is worth 23 million at age 38, without having any idea what that guy will actually be like at age 38, you must be in favor of a cap.

    Contracts are only partially based on future performance…past performance has to factor in as well. Are any of you mad that the Yankees have paid Jeter 220 million doolars in his career, Mo 145 million. I highly doubt it. Mariano is making 15 million AT AGE 42 this coming year. Of course he is one of a kind.

    I’m sure the players union is exerting influence on CC’s agent to get top dollar as his deal will set the bar for many other players.

  243. blake October 31st, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Tom,

    They signed Chavez as a bench player and he was happy to accept that role…..at 29 I doubt Sizemore is ready to accept that type role and he’s too risky to put in the lineup every day over the guys they have now. If he would sign on to be the 4th outfielder then Id love that…..I just don’t think he would

  244. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    another gossip break, but this one to me is a bloody riot!!!

    http://www.newyorkpost.com/p/p.....dLOePC5rzN

    Is there a more whacked out family rolling in dough????

  245. pkyankfan69 October 31st, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    “Hope the 2012 Soriano is the Soriano we saw at the end of 2011.”

    ——————–

    Hope Soriano opts out

  246. pat October 31st, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Yankee beat writers tweeting about Kim Kardashian divorce = slow news day in Yankeeland

  247. blake October 31st, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    “It seems like what many here want is a salary cap.”

    Nah….but the Yankees already have a salary cap….its a soft one around 210 million that they impose on themselves.

  248. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    pat October 31st, 2011 at 12:36 pm
    Yankee beat writers tweeting about Kim Kardashian divorce = slow news day in Yankeeland

    *****************

    Some of them are pretty funny though. ;)

  249. blake October 31st, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Buster_ESPN 5 hours If NYY offered Sabathia 1 extra year, he’d be at 5/$115 m. range. The ? then is whether somebody else would offer 6/140 to CC,who is 31 now.

    Buster_ESPN 5 hours Presumably, the Yankees’ extension offer to Sabathia is for one year. If it was for two years at same salary, it would be a no-brainer.

    What is bluster talking about.

  250. LGY October 31st, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Kim Kardashian opted out of her marriage?

  251. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    DKnobler Derek Lowe traded to Indians

  252. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 31st, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    “Kim Kardashian opted out of her marriage?”

    :lol:

  253. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    LGY- yep. Lasted a whopping 72 days. Shocker. ;)

  254. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    The Grandyman

    YESNetwork There might not be a better ambassador in baseball than Curtis Granderson, writes @JackCurryYES http://bit.ly/smgAp3

  255. blake October 31st, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 30 secs #braves have lots of great rotation replacements for d. lowe. top prospects all SP, including teheran, vizcaino, delgado

    SI_JonHeyman 2 mins assuming #braves get financial relief in derek lowe trade. 1st mentions by @JohnKreger on twitter

    SI_JonHeyman 4 mins derek lowe was traded to the indians

  256. blake October 31st, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Get to work on trading AJ and Cash.

  257. BIG AL October 31st, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    A major problem facing the Yankees, IMO, is Mark Teixeira. At his age he should being coming into his prime, but, it appears he is in a steady decline, and may have his best years behind him, for what ever reason. Look at the numbers, and see if you agree. Remember, due to his contract, he’s too costly to remove, allowing you to sign a younger, better player like Fielder.

    2007 BA .307, OPS .968
    2008 BA .316, OPS .982
    2009 BA .292, OPS .947
    2010 BA .256, OPS .846
    2011 BA .248, OPS .835

  258. 86w183 October 31st, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Blake —

    I get it in terms of more proven performance, but do you realy think CJ Wilson is more of a health risk than CC Sabathia?

    He is 16 months younger, in far better physical condition and has 1,600 fewer innings on his arm.

    I wouldn’t take CJ over CC if the years and $$$ are close. But I’d be a lot less worried about giving him 5 years (his alleged goal) than I would giving CC 7.

  259. blake October 31st, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    “At his age he should being coming into his prime,”

    Actually he’s about to exit his prime age…..he’s on the back end of it for the average

  260. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    fran_cervelli fans – Support the @MarianoRivera Foundation and buy Mo’s “602 Saves” bracelet. A great guy and a great cause! http://bit.ly/Mariano602

    MarianoRivera @fran_cervelli – thank you for your support Francisco!

  261. blake October 31st, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    “I get it in terms of more proven performance, but do you realy think CJ Wilson is more of a health risk than CC Sabathia?”

    Absolutely ……a lot more of one.

  262. Erin October 31st, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    New Post: A few quiet mid-day notes and links

    :arrow:

  263. TheStraw October 31st, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Buster is talking about extending existing contract for one year, which would make original contract a 7 year deal, or two, which would make it an eight year deal. Either four or five years from today. But why would CC do that, when he would probaly get at the very least a six year contract from today forward from most teams, and possibly a seven year from a few.

  264. Joe from Long Island October 31st, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    wait a minute –

    kim kardashian opted out? i thought cc was opting out.

    and derek lowe was traded to the indians?

    or did kadashian get traded to the indians?

    where’s wally matthews when you need him?

  265. I Am Winning October 31st, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    C.C. is making a sound decision for his family? We aren’t talking about a guy making 50k a year, trying to raise a family of 5 and that has the opportunity to leave a 20 year career to go elsewhere and make an extra 20k. He’s making hundreds of millions of dollars, what’s another 20 million to this guy? Apparently a lot. I know it’s business, but if it weren’t for baseball this guy, along with every other sports player that opted out of hundred million dollar contracts, they would be lucky to scrub dishes at their local restaurant.

    If he didn’t join the Yankees, along with ARod and countless others, they wouldn’t be receiving the money they currently are, so opting out of that is just a move for greed. Not that the Steinbrenner’s need any extra cash in their pocket, I’m just saying; it’s the principle of the matter.

  266. crorkz matz August 6th, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    Nymva9 A big thank you for your blog post.Really thank you! Great.

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