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No Yankees among Gold Glove winners

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 01, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The ESPN2 special was delayed by a college football game, but The Associated Press just announced the Gold Glove winners for both leagues. No Yankees made the list.

American League

P — Mark Buehrle, Chicago White Sox

C — Matt Wieters, Baltimore

1B — Adrian Gonzalez, Boston

2B — Dustin Pedroia, Boston

SS — Erick Aybar, L.A. Angels

3B — Adrian Beltre, Texas

LF — Alex Gordon, Kansas City

CF — Jacoby Ellsbury, Boston

RF — Nick Markakis, Baltimore

National League

P — Clayton Kershaw, L.A. Dodgers

C — Yadier Molina, St. Louis

1B — Joey Votto, Cincinnati

2B — Brandon Phillips, Cincinnati

SS — Troy Tulowitzki, Colorado

3B — Placido Polanco, Philadelphia

LF — Gerardo Parra, Arizona

CF — Matt Kemp, L.A. Dodgers

RF — Andre Ethier, L.A. Dodgers

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151 Responses to “No Yankees among Gold Glove winners”

  1. ctyankeefan. November 1st, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Crazy…

  2. ac1 November 1st, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    wow. Ellsbury won a gold glove? REALLY?
    No Gardner?

  3. ctyankeefan. November 1st, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Gardner and Cano should have won. Teix and Gonzo were pretty even and could go either way, but c’mon how can Gardner not win!?

  4. Bret The Hitman November 1st, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    No GGGGBG (Gritty, Gutsy, Gold, Glove Brett Gardner)

  5. LGY November 1st, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Criminal.

  6. AndyFTM November 1st, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Garner being snubbed is an absolute joke. By almost every advanced metric he was the best defensive outfielder in all of baseball, and one of the top 3 defensive players overall.

  7. ET November 1st, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Cano had a lot of mental lapses this year – that isn’t a surprise.

    Ellsbury over Gardner is criminal.

  8. Chase November 1st, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

    Gonzalez over Teix is an utter joke.

    And LF needs no discussion. Brett Gardner > everyone in the game in LF.

  9. kd November 1st, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    who votes for gold gloves? reporters without hall of fame votes?

    this is kinda shameful

  10. Abomb82 November 1st, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Cashman was just found at a local bar weeping upon hearing that Martin did not win the award, which prevents him from touting Martin as a gold glove winner in his next radio interview to further prop him up

  11. Marcus November 1st, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    These are the ESPN Gold Gloves.

  12. m November 1st, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Ellsbury & Gardner were not in the same category.

    I was disappointed to see that Gardner didn’t win, but when you lead the majors in outfield assists that’s tough to beat. I didn’t watch Alex Gordon in LF at all (still thought he was on the AAA shuttle). But he must be pretty good.

    It’s kind of disgusting that 3 of the 4 Red Sox won.

    Cano will just have to jump higher than Pedroia to get the voters’ attention next season.

  13. Bret The Hitman November 1st, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Occupy Gold Glove

  14. yclept November 1st, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    m -

    Gordon, by the metrics, is pretty good. But Gardner is, by a very hefty margin, much better.

    Outfield assists are grossly misleading.

  15. Phranchise November 1st, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Gardner not winning is a joke. Gordon had a great year, but the ground Gardner covered in left field in comparison makes the world of difference. And Pedrioa is great defensively, won’t take anything away, but just because he gets his uniform dirty doesn’t make him better then Cano, Cano make ever throw from different angles he could never do and he is the best infielder I have ever seen go out and grab fly balls. He gets the occasional error, but his riduclous skill level in the filed sets him apart.

  16. m November 1st, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    yclept,

    Gardner by the metrics is very good. His range is great. He may not have the spectacular plays, but it’s because he gets there in time to make the play routine. ;)

    I see what you mean by OF assists.

    Maybe guys ran on Gordon thinking he’s playing out of position. His OF assists should drop significantly if he continues to play LF.

  17. vblade November 1st, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    The ESPN Gold Gloves are a joke.

  18. SportsGeek November 1st, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    <>
    WARNING- UPCOMING RANT…
    (Please excuse my attitude in this post…)

    Baseball __IS NOT__ (and was not) on TV tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Baseball is on MLB.com, and on cable TV if you subscribe to MLB.

    I think this profit-based, narrow-casting is one of the biggest reasons why baseball is going down as a favorite sport. As a result, Baseball is no longer “America’s Pastime”.

    Major League Baseball, the Commissioner, the Baseball owners, the MLB network and all the rest would really benefit from thinking a little more about how to gain and keep the interest of the entire American public.

    END OF RANT…

  19. stuart a November 1st, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    golden glove awards are laughable. brett gardner did not win gg for left field since gordon threw out a ton of baserunners.

    cano also is a better fielder then pedroia…

  20. m November 1st, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    If you go by the comments on the espn.com recap, a lot of people thought Gardner wuz robbed. “I hate the Yanks, but how does Gardner not win?” kind of stuff.

    Pretty healthy debate between Cano & Pedroia. Cano is just so smooth. He should get style points.

  21. LockDown November 1st, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    wow. I thought Gardner would win. I guess we can take solace in that he was nominated.

    Of course 3 sox players won, no surprise there.

  22. m November 1st, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    I was hoping Gardner would win, LockDown. But I knew he’d get overlooked. I didn’t even know who he was up against, but I knew it would happen.

  23. Ghostwriter November 1st, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    Repost:

    Ghostwriter November 1st, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    SportsGeek November 1st, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    WARNING- UPCOMING RANT…
    (Please excuse my attitude in this post…)

    Baseball __IS NOT__ (and was not) on TV tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Baseball is on MLB.com, and on cable TV if you subscribe to MLB.

    I think this profit-based, narrow-casting is one of the biggest reasons why baseball is going down as a favorite sport. As a result, Baseball is no longer “America’s Pastime”.

    Major League Baseball, the Commissioner, the Baseball owners, the MLB network and all the rest would really benefit from thinking a little more about how to gain and keep the interest of the entire American public.

    END OF RANT…
    ====================

    Right… Because the NBA and the NFL would never broadcast games on their own networks.

  24. Ghostwriter November 1st, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    It’s hard to believe that Tex, Cano, Martin, and Gardner didn’t win any GGs between them.

  25. LockDown November 1st, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    m – What’s even worse is how some yankees fans overlook Gardner as well.

  26. Against All Odds November 1st, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    Joke

  27. jacksquat November 1st, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    If you didn’t think the GG awards were a complete joke before…

  28. m November 1st, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    LockDown,

    Gardner can’t overcome the 4th OF label. :P

    Reading the comments on the recap. It’s funny seeing non-Yankee fans comment.

    They appreciate Tex. Seems to be little doubt that he’s the better glove than Gonzalez.

    Here’s one for you guys to enjoy:

    “Ellsbury wins a Gold Glove yet drops the ball that would have sent the Sox to the playoffs on the last game of the year.. LOLZ.”

  29. Chad Jennings November 1st, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    kd November 1st, 2011 at 11:14 pm e
    who votes for gold gloves? reporters without hall of fame votes?

    this is kinda shameful

    —-

    Gold Gloves are voted on by managers and coaches. Media has nothing to do with it.

  30. Ghostwriter November 1st, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    I’ve given up trying to understand how some folks relate to Gardner. I’m convinced that Gardn er is some kind of Rorschach test: Some folks see him as a fourth outfielder and others see him as a potential All-Star if he puts it all together. I count myself in the latter group. Time will tell.

  31. jacksquat November 2nd, 2011 at 12:00 am

    I see Gardner as being an excellent defender with marginal hitting ability.

  32. Nick in SF November 2nd, 2011 at 12:03 am

    SportsGeek, shouldn’t your rant have been in the thread devoted to the game?

    I can’t imagine there was any much demand for the traveling MLB’rs vs. Taiwanese game on another broadcast or cable outlet. And wuh ei Taiwan!

  33. Abomb82 November 2nd, 2011 at 12:03 am

    Gardner is almost 30 – he is what he is.

  34. Ghostwriter November 2nd, 2011 at 12:03 am

    To be fair, Gordon’s defensive stats are exceptional (and marginally better than Gardner’s stats). I didn’t see much of Gordon playing left field, so I’m not a great judge. However, I saw a bunch of Gardner’s games this year, and he was outstanding IMO.

  35. Jim November 2nd, 2011 at 12:04 am

    it’s hard to win a gold glove if you don’t hit .300

  36. LockDown November 2nd, 2011 at 12:05 am

    m –

    “Ellsbury wins a Gold Glove yet drops the ball that would have sent the Sox to the playoffs on the last game of the year.. LOLZ.”
    ——————

    :lol:

    I guess a lot of people missed that :?

    At least Crawford wasn’t in the top 3

  37. Ghostwriter November 2nd, 2011 at 12:07 am

    Chad Jennings November 1st, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    kd November 1st, 2011 at 11:14 pm e
    who votes for gold gloves? reporters without hall of fame votes?

    this is kinda shameful

    —-

    Gold Gloves are voted on by managers and coaches. Media has nothing to do with it.
    ===

    This is interesting; I didn’t realize that the media didn’t get a vote in the GG awards. As much as I’m loathe to have the sportswriters hand out these awards (no offense), I’m really surprised that they don’t have a role in it, because the sportswriters likely watch more games than the players, and arguably may be in a better position to judge.

  38. LockDown November 2nd, 2011 at 12:08 am

    Yeah, Gardner’s marginal hitting ability hurt the team in the post season. Too bad he didn’t swing out of his sneakers, trying to hit a 5 run homer in each AB, just to strike out or pop up to an infielder. :roll:

  39. Benny Blanco November 2nd, 2011 at 12:09 am

    Cano and gardner were robbed!!!!UNREAL!!

  40. Ghostwriter November 2nd, 2011 at 12:09 am

    Abomb82 November 2nd, 2011 at 12:03 am

    Gardner is almost 30 – he is what he is.
    ==============

    O’Neill didn’t really blossom until he was nearly 30. In fact, he didn’t hit .300 until he was 30.

  41. Ghostwriter November 2nd, 2011 at 12:11 am

    I would take Gardner over Swisher any day of the week. And I would love to see the Yanks make a move to get Kubel or Cuddyer to replace Swisher.

  42. jacksquat November 2nd, 2011 at 12:14 am

    LockDown November 2nd, 2011 at 12:08 am
    Yeah, Gardner’s marginal hitting ability hurt the team in the post season. Too bad he didn’t swing out of his sneakers, trying to hit a 5 run homer in each AB, just to strike out or pop up to an infielder.

    No need for sarcasm. Gardner did hit well in the postseason, one of the few. That doesn’t make him a good hitter overall. He had an 89 OPS+ in 2011. If he hit more like he did in 2010 he’d be fine.

  43. jacksquat November 2nd, 2011 at 12:16 am

    I wouldn’t say Gardner is “almost 30″, he just turned 28 on Aug 24.

  44. Ghostwriter November 2nd, 2011 at 12:18 am

    2011 was a step backwards for Gardner, no doubt about it. I think that 2012 could be a make-or-break season for him.

  45. LockDown November 2nd, 2011 at 12:25 am

    I will respond anyway I want… with or without sarcasm. You don’t decide how I want to respond.

  46. Nick in SF November 2nd, 2011 at 12:43 am

    No question.

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock November 2nd, 2011 at 12:44 am

    There isn’t a 2B in baseball in Cano’s class.

  48. Jerkface November 2nd, 2011 at 1:01 am

    What a travesty. Atrocious. I would give back any number of Jeter gold gloves for 1 Gardner GG. He is a limited player that has a few exceptional skills and being snubbed on his most exceptional skill is terrible.

  49. Jerkface November 2nd, 2011 at 1:04 am

    And Ethier won a GG? He is terrible!

    What a crock, GG is the most overrated award in the sport. Totally mindless and its pretty obvious the managers who vote on it dont care about the award

  50. Nick in SF November 2nd, 2011 at 1:06 am

    Typical, they voted for the white guy over Gardner. :mad:

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock November 2nd, 2011 at 1:18 am

    Jerkface November 2nd, 2011 at 1:01 am
    I would give back any number of Jeter gold gloves for 1 Gardner GG.
    ///

    tisk, tisk, not yours to give back :D.

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock November 2nd, 2011 at 1:20 am

    Gordon was good in left this year, with an arm to boot. He won’t have those assist totals in the future, you can bet.

  53. Pat M. November 2nd, 2011 at 1:54 am

    The Los Ageles Dodgers will be sold someting in the next few days

  54. CompassRosy November 2nd, 2011 at 2:25 am

    Since my posts are few and far between, I’m sorry to say I’ve forgotten which poster here has some connection to Mariner farmhand (shortstop) Nick Franklin. Whoever you are, I’m happy to report (if you don’t already know) that Nick will be playing in the Rising Stars Game in AZ this Saturday….

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  55. m November 2nd, 2011 at 2:28 am

    H/T to RAB. Gardner won the Fielding Bible Best LF award. In all of baseball. Legit.

    Left Field – Brett Gardner, New York Yankees
    Brett Gardner is the new Carl Crawford. Gardner repeats as the Fielding Bible Award winner in left field after Crawford won three of the four previous years. It was nearly unanimous as Gardner took nine first-place votes and one second. Gardner’s 22 Defensive Runs Saved tied him with center field winner Austin Jackson for the most runs saved by an outfielder in 2011. That’s an extraordinary total for a left fielder. Normally the best center fielders save significantly more runs defensively than the best left fielders. For Gardner, having a center fielder’s range gives him a tremendous advantage, but he has an excellent throwing arm as well. He has saved the Yankees 13 runs (out of his 35 total) with his arm over the last two years.

    http://www.fieldingbible.com/the-winners.asp

  56. Pat M. November 2nd, 2011 at 2:35 am

    Now that the dust has settled from all the mindless and hystrica supplied by Jerkface….The bottom line is that Yannkee fans have seriuos reaon for only two bombers getting overlooked and even robbed for nor being so honored with the golden glove statute……Robinson Cano and Mark Texeria,,,,,,Was Brett Gardner even on the ballot >

  57. J. Alfred Prufrock November 2nd, 2011 at 2:42 am

    Gardner played a pretty stellar left field for the Yankees, and I thought he’d walk away with a GG this season, but on no planet does he have “an excellent throwing arm.”

    He has a quick release and made some really accurate throws this season, some to nail a runner at the plate. In this regard, he’s been like a poor man’s Matsui – known for quick, accurate throws – but from short range. Gardner does not have the arm strength, nor arm accuracy from any real distance, such as center or rightfield depth, to have people giving a scouting report of his “excellent throwing arm.” That’s fanciful in the extreme.

  58. J. Alfred Prufrock November 2nd, 2011 at 2:45 am

    Agree with Pat M, that Cano and Teixeira were rooked worse than anyone.

    They are both so far ahead of the class at their respective infield spots. Got to see much more of AGon this season than I ever had, of course, and he just isn’t as good of a defender as Teix.

    Cano? No one close to him.

  59. m November 2nd, 2011 at 2:51 am

    Pat M.

    Not sure if you’re joking or if the percs have kicked in.

    Yes, Gardner was on the ballot, and he was an expert’s pick on the presentation show.

    He was legitimately snubbed. Though not surprising.

  60. NW Yankees Fan November 2nd, 2011 at 2:54 am

    I was disappointed that Cano did not win, although Pedroia is a great defender as well.
    Texieria is an over rated defender in my opinion.
    The other choices were not that bad. I was surprised Ichiro did not win one on reputation, I live near Seattle and watched him all year. He was brutal. It is nice to see the voters not going with the status quo.

    Some mentioned criminal. Here is what is criminal, Derek Jeter ever winning a Gold Glove, especially last year. He is and has never been a Gold Glove caliber shortstop, ever. If he won a GG this year, I vowed to burn all my baseball cards.

  61. m November 2nd, 2011 at 2:58 am

    I can’t stand the hobbit, but he’s a pretty good defender. He gets his glove on a lot of balls. His only weakness is balls over his head. :P

    So his winning it is not that big a surprise, even though we think that Cano is better.

  62. Jerkface November 2nd, 2011 at 3:02 am

    Pat M is just sore that he hasn’t been making many good points recently. So he has to denigrate a Yankee’s defense who was rightfully snubbed for a GG. Of course Tex and Cano should have also won, but neither were head and shoulders above everyone in baseball. Gardner not only passes the eye test, but he has led the GAME in UZR over the past 2 years.

  63. NW Yankees Fan November 2nd, 2011 at 3:16 am

    Cano and Pedroia were close. I like both players but Cano is my guy. They were close; Cano had the better range factor but Pedroia’s Zone Rating was higher. Cano turns more double plays and that is where he stands out from the rest. If I had a vote, I would have gone with Cano. I hope that I am being objective on this.

  64. NW Yankees Fan November 2nd, 2011 at 3:18 am

    Gardner and Gordon were close statistically. I wonder if outfield assists (20 for Gordon, 7 for Gardner) tipped the scales in his favor?

  65. Jerkface November 2nd, 2011 at 3:49 am

    They were only close in … traditional metrics??? Gardner’s UZR = 31, Alex Gordon = 10. 11 of Gordon’s UZR score was from his ARM. He ha a -2 range… but an 11 ARM. Gardner had a 1.3 arm, but 20 range.

  66. PacoDooley November 2nd, 2011 at 5:56 am

    Some analysis:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....tt-gardner

  67. m November 2nd, 2011 at 6:29 am

    Thanks for that article, Paco. Looks like a rehash of a previous article, but nonetheless timely and correct.

    From the comments section of that article, not sure if it’s true, but it sounds good anyway.

    bluecheese555
    Brett Gardner had a Defensive WAR of 3.2, best in the league. Second best of ANY position, not just LF, was Alberto Callaspo at 1.7. In other words, Gardner was at least twice as good as almost every single player in the AL this year. It’s ridiculous that he’s not a gold glover.

  68. Villa Nova-Ya November 2nd, 2011 at 6:39 am

    Well, apparently the arm part of the deal is what impresses voters the most, I guess. I just find it really interesting when most of the year the chatter is that Gardner is the best LF in the game, but doesn’t get the GG. I really thought that was the one spot the Yankees had sewn up.

    With Cano, he made a few more errors this year than last, I think. I don’t know about Pedroia’s errors. But I will say that for me, I can the 2nd base GG going back and forth every year. They are both excellent 2nd basemen. Personally, of course I think Robby’s the better one; he’s smoother makes difficult plays look easy. On the other hand, Pedroia makes easy plays look harder than they were, which is why I think he ultimately got the nod this season.

    Adrian Gonzalez over Tex? The only reason I can think of is AGon’s better year at the plate being the tie breaker? Watching Tex every night you see how many errors he saves the rest of his infield; how many hits he takes away from opposing players, therefore saving his pitchers. Again, I don’t watch the Red Sox except when they play the Yankees, so it’s tough to be objective. But Tex is soooo good, I can’t imagine AGon being better. As good? Maybe. Or just the new kid on the block who got all the attention?

    Disappointed overall, but shocked on Gardner being snubbed.

  69. RhapsodyInBlue November 2nd, 2011 at 6:42 am

    NW Yankees troll a new poster or an old poster with a new name?

  70. Villa Nova-Ya November 2nd, 2011 at 7:09 am

    Just read that ESPN report. There really is nothing to say except Gardner was robbed.

  71. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 7:09 am

    “The Yankees expect to be heavily involved in trade talks this offseason because they have prospects to trade and are willing to deal pitching, according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney”

    Interesting.

    Like who ?

    Romine or Cervelli, Warren, Phelps,or Mitchell ?

    And what would the Yankees want in return ?

  72. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 7:13 am

    Shamockery ia a good word…..Gardner should have won this thing in LF going away…..

    Andre Ethier? Matt Kemp? Come on now……

    I don’t have much issue with Pedroria and Gonzalez winning….Gonzalez is Tex’s equal defensively (or close) and Pedroria ia good as well…..Cano’s 1st half defense hurt him this year……

  73. upstate kate November 2nd, 2011 at 7:17 am

    consolation prizes since the greatest team evah didn’t even sniff the PS

  74. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 7:17 am

    This just in :

    Want a good young catching or pitching prospect ?

    Talk to the Yankees.

    ;)

  75. Gary November 2nd, 2011 at 7:32 am

    Morning, I think the things to look back on this year were Jeters 3000 hit and Mo taking over the All time saves leader and the great years a few of the players had. The rest of this stuff is best forgotten and time to look forward to next year. Too much is made of indiviudual awards, in the end it’s what the team does that counts.

  76. Gary November 2nd, 2011 at 7:34 am

    MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 7:09 am
    “The Yankees expect to be heavily involved in trade talks this offseason because they have prospects to trade and are willing to deal pitching, according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney”

    Interesting.

    Like who ?

    Romine or Cervelli, Warren, Phelps,or Mitchell ?

    And what would the Yankees want in return ?
    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Well I didn’t agree with BC’s comment on we don’t need a bat. Hope if we are dealing it’s also for some offense.

  77. 108 stitches November 2nd, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Consider the source of these awards ………… ESPN. Their love of anything Boston lives on, historic September Collapse notwithstanding.

  78. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 7:37 am

    ” Hope if we are dealing it’s also for some offense.”

    Who are some of your targets, and what would you surrender to get them ?

  79. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 7:38 am

    Espn doesn’t vote on the awards…..they just reported them..

  80. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 7:41 am

    Blake-

    Help me out here.

    What do you see as the Yankees OS needs ?

    Who are you targeting, and what would you offer to get them ?

    P.S. Please be realistic

    ;)

  81. upstate kate November 2nd, 2011 at 7:51 am

    I watched part of the MLB/TW game last night, for as long as I could stay awake. It was so refreshing to hear Armsinger so over the top in his praise of Robbie and Curtis. A nice change from the usual fox or espn snarkiness. And Jeter would have made that play!

  82. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 7:56 am

    Some things I’d like to see the Yankees try to do in the OS :

    Add a 2nd lefty reliever

    Get a true #2 starter, preferably a lefty

    Re-sign Chavez

    Offer Garcia Arb

    See if someone would take Burnett off our hands

    Trade off some of our AAA pitching for something useful

    See if someone might be interested in either Cervelli or Romine

    Other ideas ?

  83. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 7:58 am

    MTU,

    I think they could use another good starter (preferably a Lefty)….don’t think its a necessity but it would be nice.

    I think they could use a little more balance in the lineup…..and they need another bat that can consistently hit LH pitching. Now that could br accomplished by adding Montero and by Tex fixing his LH swing…..but its a need IMO.

    Other than that just bench depth (Chavez, Jones, maybe explore Sizemore)….and getting guys healthy.

    I would check into Danks and Darvish. I would shop Swisher and see what he would bring and offer Beltran a 2 year deal.

    I think they can win 95-100 games again as is…..but those are areas I think they coukd improve.

  84. dogface November 2nd, 2011 at 8:00 am

    Disappointed overall, but shocked on Gardner being snubbed.

    =========================

    It is disappointing, but the GG’s have long been a joke, and Yankees have been on both the good and bad side of it.

    I’d lean to putting a lot more stock in the Fielding Bible winners, where Brett Gardner was named not only the best LF in the AL, but the best LF in the major leagues.

  85. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 8:00 am

    MTU,

    I think that’s a good checklist to try. In some ways I think exploring a deal for AJ needs to happen early …..just find out if its possible. If it can happen then that may change how you proceed in other areas.

  86. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 8:01 am

    Thanks Blake.

    Excellent to-do list.

    I agree about their potential. W/o change we are right where you stated.

    Cashman can be a thoughtful and careful shopper because of it.

    Will this year be another transition year ?

  87. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 8:05 am

    I don’t think the Yankees are ever in a true “transition year” because they really do try to win it all every season. However I do think they are better positioned to win some years than others…….if they could add a Danks or a Darvish then they’ll look tough going into the spring.

  88. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 8:06 am

    Our O might be a lot stronger if :

    Montero contributes for a full season

    Texeira hits for average again from the left side

    A-Rod stays healthy and returns to form

    GGBG hits better than .260

  89. Villa Nova-Ya November 2nd, 2011 at 8:09 am

    dogface -

    True. Year after year there is always a head-scratcher among the winners of the GG, both those who won and those who lost out, and that includes years where a Yankee player was awarded over someone else that was better at the position in a particular year.

    So, they are fairly unfair? Predictably unpredictable? Unpredictably predictable?

    Anyway, they are not determined by metrics, but by the overall impressions of players and managers.

    I don’t watch enough non-Yankees games to say definitively that a non-Yankee should or should not have won; but Gardner got praise across the board all season based on the eyeball factor, supported by the metrics. Oh, well.

  90. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Blake-

    What I meant by “transition year” is that they are pretty well set and may not go all out to improve this season.

    Next year the FA might be very attractive, and if all goes well we might have
    Banuelos and/or Betances to add to the rotation.

    I hope they avoid wilson, and i am not sold yet on the idea of spending that much on Darvish.

    I would be interested in another quality lefty such as Danks, Beurhle, Gio, etc.

    Wouldn’t push too hard though because 2013 might look really strong.

  91. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 8:12 am

    They really need Arod to stay healthy next year. He’s a guy that hits both lefties and righties when healthy and right so that would be big……

    .we have to temper expectations with Montero (though its possible he could make a bigtime impact )…..

    Im cautiously optimistic about Tex…..I do think that its mostly mechamical and that he’s young enough to fix it…..wont be easy though

  92. dogface November 2nd, 2011 at 8:13 am

    Re: Gardner and the Fielding Bible vote:

    Gardner, with 99 points out of a possible 100 (nine 1st place votes, including Gammons and B. James, and one 2nd place vote from some fan poll), scored the highest of any player in baseball, topping A. Beltre’s 98 points and M. Weiter’s 97.

  93. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 8:18 am

    MTU,

    I agree. I think Danks is perfect if Williams will deal. I do like the idea of Darvish the more I’ve read and they more I’ve watched…..I would try to win the posting on him and then negotiate tough on the contract.

    Wilson is interesting in that his stock seems to be falling quickly…..we still don’t known where his market is going to be…..but there probably is a number where the Yanks would have interest.

    Bowden asked Cashman directly about Buerle yesterday on the radio…..and he dodged the question more or less. I don’t think he would cone to NY and Im not sure he’s a difference maker type at this point in his career to be honest…..id like to have him in a Garcia type role for next year id he would.

  94. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Longoria is better than Beltre defensively as well…..I don’t see that one as all that close. Beltre is good…..but he’s not on Longo’s level as a defender and he makes a lot of careless errors to go along with his plus range.

  95. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Blake-

    I think Tex just got “pull happy”.

    I hope he can undo that and return to the form he had when he 1st came over.

    Hopefully, with the help of Long, he’ll find a way to adjust his approach to compensate for the decline in bat speed with age.

    Perhaps, he could tweak his stance, remove some bat movement, and shorten the swing ?

    All of those things might lead to more consistent contact from the left side.

  96. LGY November 2nd, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Elf and AGon over Cano and Tex is perfectly reasonable. All four of those players are excellent defenders with no one player separating themselves from the pack.

    Gordon over Gardner is criminal.

  97. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 8:24 am

    LGY,

    Agreed…….and Ethier winning is just unbelievable

  98. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Blake-

    Not interested in Wilson.

    Nothing special about him other than being left-handed.

    He will require a longer term comittment and I wouldn’t do that for him with Banuelos on the way, and the possibility of a guy like Hamels next year.

  99. Villa Nova-Ya November 2nd, 2011 at 8:26 am

    I have a question.

    This is the first year they separated outfielders, correct? LF, CF, RF as opposed to just OF?

    Does anyone think that Gardner may have one a GG if it was the old way?

    I think it was the right thing to do to separate the OFs, but I think it would be pretty ironic if in this case it ended up causing GG to lose.

    I don’t know if I think this is the case. Just asking the question.

  100. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2011 at 8:28 am

    PacoDooley had a nice review at 5:56 of Gardner[better at run prevention over Gordon[better arm].

  101. Erin November 2nd, 2011 at 8:28 am

    I wanted all three Yankees who were “nominated” (don’t get me started on that ridiculous show on ESPN) to win, the one that I was sure had it in the bag was Gardner. How he didn’t win is beyond me.

  102. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 8:31 am

    MTU,

    Yes….those things would be good I think. Tex’s swing RHed is still a little funky but it’s night and day better from a mechanical standpoint.
    Honestly Tex’s LH swing looks like someone who doesn’t switch hit hitting from the wrong side……if you watch guys just messing around hitting left handed then that’s usually how they look……they open up their stance…….they collapse their back side….and they swing down and up…….bad habits….short porch…..or whatever the cause those things have crept in and he needs to correct then.

    Tex is a pro…..so if he can fix it I think he will.

  103. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 8:32 am

    It’s nice to be recognized for your accomplishments and receive awards but we all know these awards are subjective, and frequently reflect a player’s popularity more than they should.

    If they weren’t I can’t see how GGBG doesn’t win.

    That being the case, who cares.

  104. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2011 at 8:32 am

    With regards to CJ Wilson, it sounds like, from the attached article that he is practically praying that the Rangers will have him back. Watching Nolan Ryan’s face when he was pitching, he might have to pay the Rangers to get a contract with them.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....e-1.970951

  105. GreenBeret7 November 2nd, 2011 at 8:33 am

    I don’t understand why people are saying that Gold Glove awards are BS and useless and then complain when their favorites don’t get them.

  106. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 8:34 am

    MTU,

    Im not interested in Wilson on a longterm big deal …..I would be interested if his price fell far enough……say it fell to the 3 year range…..not that I think it will…..just sayin.

  107. dogface November 2nd, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Does anyone think that Gardner may have one a GG if it was the old way?

    ===============================

    I don’t see how his chances aren’t improved significantly by holding him up to only his fellow LF’s.

    Shouldn’t matter. He should have won one either way.

    For all the talk of fans doing a terrible job with allstar votes and such, the GG’s have long been an example of why MLB managers/coaches are every bit as ridiculous as a voting pool as fans are.

  108. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Do the voters even look at defensive metrics or did they just look at Gardner’s 7 assists, 5 errors , .985 fielding% ??

  109. Villa Nova-Ya November 2nd, 2011 at 8:36 am

    GB7 -

    LOL!

    True, but it’s human nature. If they’re going to have stupid pointless awards, they may as well go your favorite players. ;)

  110. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 8:36 am

    AJax should have won also.

  111. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Blake-

    The only things that I could see stopping Tex would be aging, and stubborness.

    I don’t think he’s stubborn so that just leaves aging.

    Between him and Long you’d have to think they can find a way to help him improve the overall effectiveness of his swing.

  112. LGY November 2nd, 2011 at 8:38 am

    I don’t understand why people are saying that Gold Glove awards are BS and useless and then complain when their favorites don’t get them.

    ——-

    Because the players value them.

  113. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Here’s a question. If the Royals offered you Alex Gordon straight up for Brett Gardner would you do it? :)

  114. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Blake-

    IMO Wilson is looking for a big payday. He needs to cash in while he still can.

    Someone will be seduced and overpay him. Just hope it isn’t the Yankees.

    IMO he is mediocre. Nothing more.

  115. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 8:40 am

    MTU,

    Yea I think they will absolutely try…..it’ll be harder than it would have been a few years ago though. Its not unusual for switch hitters to develop a dominant side as they age…..some guys its their natural side….some guys its the side they hit the most with. Age has different effects on different guys. With Tex I think its part diminishing bat speed but mostly mechanical……he’s still a stud right handed.

  116. Villa Nova-Ya November 2nd, 2011 at 8:40 am

    I pay so little attention to the Royals that frankly, I didn’t even know Alex Gordon existed.

  117. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Blake-

    He needs to become a stud left-handed again too.

    ;)

  118. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 8:43 am

    MTU,

    If Wilson stays healthy I think he’s a good 2 or 3…..how he threw the ball in the playoffs is worrisome…..not only the results but just how he threw the ball……but id be interested at 3/40 or there abouts. Somebody will give him close to the 5/85 reported though…..

  119. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Blake-

    And Girardi needs to be a little more flexible with the lineup just in case.

    ;)

  120. pat November 2nd, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Paul Blair on the Gold Glove show was interesting. Amazing he had so many error free seasons and hearing him say he just got to balls instead of diving for them in the outfield.

    Convincing players now not to fling their bodies around would be a tough sell.

    I blame ESPN web gems. :wink:

  121. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Between him and Long you’d have to think they can find a way to help him improve the overall effectiveness of his swing.
    ————————————
    Been there done that MTU.—If I remember correctly he spent time with Long last January also.

    BY SEAN BRENNAN AND KRISTIE ACKERT
    DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITERS
    Monday, April 04, 2011

    Mark Teixeira has an explanation for his torrid start after years of struggling in April.

    “Just getting good pitches to hit and really swinging hard and putting good swings on them, giving my ‘A’ swing every time out and not just trying to put the ball in play,” Teixeira said.

    Teixeira became the first Yankee player since Dave Winfield in 1983 to homer in the season’s first three games, with a third-inning solo shot off Max Scherzer.

    “I spent a lot more time in the offseason swinging,” said Teixeira. “Hit a lot more in spring training, worked out a little less and made sure my hands were quick and my swing was where it needed to be.”

  122. Gary November 2nd, 2011 at 8:45 am

    “Pitching, pitching, pitching. That will be the main thrust,” Cashman said, a sign the Yankees could explore trades involving low-priced players such as Jesus Montero(notes) and Brett Gardner(notes). “I don’t anticipate a bat being of need at all. I anticipate people knocking on our door about the current bats we have.”

  123. Erin November 2nd, 2011 at 8:45 am

    Joba_62 Nothing like doing a handshake with my son as I drop him off at school then followed by “love u dad, see u later”. #priceless

    fran_cervelli good morning let’s work

  124. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Anybody miss the NBA?

  125. GreenBeret7 November 2nd, 2011 at 8:46 am

    LGY November 2nd, 2011 at 8:38 am
    I don’t understand why people are saying that Gold Glove awards are BS and useless and then complain when their favorites don’t get them.

    ——-

    Because the players value them.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    That doesn’t explain your hypocrisy.

  126. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Blake-

    Wilson is a guy who relies on location more than some.

    His FB is pedestrian IMO.

    Unfortunately, his command seems to desert him all too often.

    When it does you get the guy you saw in the playoffs.

    No thanks.

  127. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 8:47 am

    YT-

    Then let’s hope the 2nd time is the charm.

    ;)

  128. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 8:48 am

    MTU,

    Wilson’s stuff was down in October also……everything was flat and his velo was down a tick as well. I don’t know what the deal was…..he’s thrown a lot of innings the last couple years compared to his career.

  129. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Blake-

    Like I said. Not interested. Let someone else have him.

    ;)

  130. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 8:50 am

    “Just getting good pitches to hit and really swinging hard and putting good swings on them, giving my ‘A’ swing every time out and not just trying to put the ball in play,” Teixeira said.

    Basically this is mistake hitting…..which is fine if you get a mistake. Good pitchers eat Tex alive from the left side.

  131. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Blake-

    Tex seemed particularly vulnerable to off speed stuff from the left-side.

  132. dogface November 2nd, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Anybody miss the NBA?

    =======================

    The what?

    Season’s 20-30 games too long anyway. Wouldn’t mind if they ended up playing a 50-60 game season, but wouldn’t lose much sleep if they played a 0 game season either.

  133. Gary November 2nd, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2011 at 8:44 am
    Between him and Long you’d have to think they can find a way to help him improve the overall effectiveness of his swing.
    ————————————
    Been there done that MTU.—If I remember correctly he spent time with Long last January also.

    BY SEAN BRENNAN AND KRISTIE ACKERT
    DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITERS
    Monday, April 04, 2011

    Mark Teixeira has an explanation for his torrid start after years of struggling in April.

    “Just getting good pitches to hit and really swinging hard and putting good swings on them, giving my ‘A’ swing every time out and not just trying to put the ball in play,” Teixeira said.

    Teixeira became the first Yankee player since Dave Winfield in 1983 to homer in the season’s first three games, with a third-inning solo shot off Max Scherzer.

    “I spent a lot more time in the offseason swinging,” said Teixeira. “Hit a lot more in spring training, worked out a little less and made sure my hands were quick and my swing was where it needed to be.”

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I just looked at his stats, he has fallen off each year in the three years he has been here, except for HR’s and RBI’s which ARE important. 2009 > 2011 Doubles 43 to 26, Hits 178 to 146, BA .292 to .248. Persoanlly I think the shift has really had a negative effect on him, until he gets back to keeping the defense honest when he hits LH’ed the trend is going to continue. I saw an awful lot of trying to pull the pitch on the outside part of the plate this year, that plays right into the pitchers hand. He starts going to the opposite field he can neutralize that, else the rover in short RF and the SS palying behind snd base are gong to really squeeze the places he can have the ball drop.

  134. Gary November 2nd, 2011 at 8:53 am

    blake November 2nd, 2011 at 8:46 am
    Anybody miss the NBA?

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Hardly, watch college soon. The NBA is the NFL with all the contact out there.

  135. MTU November 2nd, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Gary-

    I’ve seen Grandy do the same sort of thing (pull the outside pitch).

    Difference is that his hands are a lot quicker than Tex’s right now.

  136. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Tex seemed particularly vulnerable to off speed stuff from the left-side.
    ———————————————–
    MTU-

    Along with Swisher, Posada, and even Granderson!

    Gary- Totally agree with the shift affecting Tex, especially in Yankee Stadium where he practically has to hit a line drive down the line or homer……………….or learn to go the other way, maybe bunt on occassion to keep them honest!!

  137. Erin November 2nd, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Villa Nova-Ya November 2nd, 2011 at 8:40 am
    I pay so little attention to the Royals that frankly, I didn?t even know Alex Gordon existed.

    *******************

    :lol:

  138. Gary November 2nd, 2011 at 8:59 am

    blake November 2nd, 2011 at 8:50 am
    “Just getting good pitches to hit and really swinging hard and putting good swings on them, giving my ‘A’ swing every time out and not just trying to put the ball in play,” Teixeira said.

    Basically this is mistake hitting…..which is fine if you get a mistake. Good pitchers eat Tex alive from the left side.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I’m not sure about the putting the ball in play part. Personally I don’t think he and smiling Nick put the ball in play enough. Mark had 110 K’s and Nick 125 K’s. Lots of missed opportunites between them to get the little things like SF’s and moving runners along.

  139. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Anybody miss the NBA?
    ———————–
    Does NBA stand for No Basketball Again? How can I miss the NBA when the only “possible” excitement comes in the last few minutes?

  140. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Will Lebron and Kobe come back and save the NBA through a steroid powered dunking spree?

  141. 108 stitches November 2nd, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Mark Buehrle is the modern day Jim Kaat for fielding his position.

  142. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Erin-

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  143. pat November 2nd, 2011 at 9:03 am

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  144. PacoDooley November 2nd, 2011 at 9:04 am

    To me you can summarize this entire issue with Gardner not getting a GG like this – he makes it look too easy. He covers a lot of ground and makes a lot of catches on the run, but those are dives or missed by most other outfielders. So he just looks like an average outfielder, except for he is covering a LOT more area.

    We need to also keep in mind that he actually has a well above average arm, so he is not only speed and coverage…

  145. Yankee Trader November 2nd, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Will Lebron and Kobe come back and save the NBA through a steroid powered dunking spree?
    ——————————
    Blake-You mean drunken spree?

    Anyway. New Post—->

  146. pat November 2nd, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Villa

    What I knew Gordon best from was having hip labrum surgery and getting moved off 3B. Didn’t realize that transition resulted in a GG level OFer.

  147. Erin November 2nd, 2011 at 9:07 am

    New Post: Up next…The Long Winter

    :arrow:

  148. dogface November 2nd, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Personally I don’t think he and smiling Nick put the ball in play enough. Mark had 110 K’s and Nick 125 K’s

    ======================

    Swisher posted the lowest K rate of his career in ’11. Teixeira his 2nd lowest. Both were below their respective career K rates.

    Most power hitting types are going to strike out 110-130 times a year.

  149. syd_cash November 2nd, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    I know I’m late but I can’t believe that Gardner did not win one and how did Cano not get one at 2B that is ridiculous.

  150. WWang3 November 3rd, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    gardner got robbed, no doubt. However, Pedroia is Far Superior than Cano at defense. plus the OF awards were based on position. Gardner plays in left, Ells in Center.

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