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Cashman cautious about moving Burnett

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 02, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

When Brian Cashman was asked about A.J. Burnett yesterday, he used an interesting phrase.

“If he’s with us, he’s in the rotation,” Cashman said.

If he’s with us? Cashman certainly seemed to be opening the door to trading the Yankees embattled, supposed-to-be No. 2 starter. No sooner had the opened the door, though, Cashman seemed to shut it.

“I think it’d be hard to replace his innings,” Cashman said. “Let me just tell you this. I am open minded. If anyone wants to approach me on anyone on this roster, that doesn’t have a full no-trade clause, the worst I can tell them is ‘no.’ … Some guys are more easily movable than others. I like our club. It’s my interest in just improving it. In most cases, subtracting from what we have is going to complicate the improving it side of it, for various reasons. If I’m losing 190 innings, for instance, if losing that makes us better, I think I’d be hard pressed because I don’t know how I’m going to replace it too easily.”

Ultimately, Cashman seems willing to take his chances with Burnett. There’s no denying the struggles. There’s no denying the talent. There’s no sense ignoring the fact there are two more years on the contract, which would make Burnett hard to move anyway.

“He’s almost given us 200 innings the last two years,” Cashman said. “There’s value in that, at the very least. He’s got a great deal of ability. He stays healthy. He’s accountable. He works his tail off. He’s obviously had to deal with adversity because of the inconsistent performance. But he hasn’t shied away from it, and he continues to take that ball every five days and does everything he can to continue to secure a win and be the best he can be.

“With all the pressure that builds up, that this environment can create, he was still able to step up and do what he did in October and secure one of our two wins in that Tigers series. It shows you a lot. It shows you a man who’s determined to continue to fight.”

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218 Responses to “Cashman cautious about moving Burnett”

  1. Triple Short of a Cycle November 2nd, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    but it seems the guys that carry teams for 162 often aren?t who carry them in the postseason.

    ???????????????????

    There is a difference between carrying a team and being an automatic out

  2. Triple Short of a Cycle November 2nd, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Wow. Have no idea where those question marks came from

  3. 108 stitches November 2nd, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    re-post

    G. Love makes valid points. Both Teixeira and Swisher need adjustments in their hitting approaches. A good level plane of hitting the ball where it’s pitched and to all fields. It gives opposing pitchers another thing to think about.
    The Yankees are not solely dependent on their long ball hitting with the likes of a healthy Alex, Cano, and Granderson in the lineup. The home runs come by themselves with mistakes of pitchers.

  4. Erin November 2nd, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    ?With all the pressure that builds up, that this environment can create, he was still able to step up and do what he did in October and secure one of our two wins in that Tigers series.

    ***************************

    I doubt he would have been able to show his face in New York if that game had ended it. ;)

  5. jacksquat November 2nd, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Cashman is wrong on this one. 200 innings of over 5 era is nearly worthless. It’s replacement level, which is minor leaguer(s) or someone off the scrap heap.

  6. LockDown November 2nd, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    G. Love November 2nd, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    ————————

    Good post

  7. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    “I think it’d be hard to replace his innings,”

    190 5+ era innings is that hard to replace?

  8. GreenBeret7 November 2nd, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    The post season record books are full of people…many are HOfers that had multiple post seasons that were really ugly. That same book is full on names of people like Brian Doyle, Bucky Dent, Alan Craig, David Freese, Joe Collins. I’d find it hard to think of Willie Mays or Mickey Mantle as a choke artist. That’s what this is about…the post season…not the regular season.

  9. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    I think there is value in “eating innings” …..but they need to at least be quality innings or its useless. There is a reason AJ has a losing record with a club that’s over 100 games over .500 since he joined them. He costs them more games than he wins them.

  10. austinmac November 2nd, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    As I have said before, they need Burnett unless their are other starter(s)obtained. They have no one that can fill in those innings unless they risk Warren, Phelps an/or Mitchell. It is quite conceivable they would make Burnett look like a quality starter.

    I say this with the memory of hating to watch Burnett games due to his struggles.

  11. jacksquat November 2nd, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Hopefully Cashman is saying this only so he can possibly dump some of his contract onto another team.

  12. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Id rather watch Noesi struggle than watch AJ struggle……Noesi might get better…..AJ might get worse.

  13. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    They are either going to bring Garcia back or add a starter …..or maybe both. If so then there wont be room for everybody.

  14. Gary November 2nd, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    All I can say about Swisher is he’s not the same guy as we or he would like to see in the postseason.

    http://www.baseball-reference......;t=b#hitlo

    My feeling better pitching in the postseason, he can’t hit these guys as well as he does the portfolio of guys he faces in the regualr season. I don’t think he changes his batting style and I don’t believe he presses. They just get him out. Stats say it’s been a ongoing thing, hard to say from the data that it will get much better.

  15. Gary November 2nd, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Sorry wrong link on Nick, let me try again

    http://www.baseball-reference......postseason::none

  16. austinmac November 2nd, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Blake,

    Are you assuming Noesi isn’t needed to replace Garcia or Colon? Otherwise, their is still the need for another starter in addition to Noesi, and that is assuming Hughes pitches well enough to be in the rotation.

  17. Benny Blanco November 2nd, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Great point blake, we can appreciate nova because we watched him struggle to get where he’s at now.

    I’d much rather watch noesi.

  18. champ809 November 2nd, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    If Ca$h is seriously interested in improving our roster then he has to seriously explore replacing Swisher with Beltran on a 2yr deal as he’s a much better all around player and proven postseason performer and intently explore where and @ what cost AJ can be moved off the roster to free up that spot.

    If you are going to accept league average to worse production on your team at least you can get it for a hell of a lot less $ than 18mil…

  19. spidanyc November 2nd, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Do it Cashman and don’t think twice.

    In my opinion a rotation of CC, Nova, Hughes, Burnett & Garcia is the same as a rotation of CC, Nova, Hughes, Colon/Noesi & Garcia

    The above rotations are based on what the Yankees have now.

  20. 108 stitches November 2nd, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    “With all the pressure that builds up, that this environment can create, he was still able to step up and do what he did in October and secure one of our two wins in that Tigers series. It shows you a lot. It shows you a man who’s determined to continue to fight.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Very doubtful that Cashman would say the same words if Burnett were making Sergio Mitre type money.

  21. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Austinmac,

    If they bring back Garcia.

    Sabathia, Nova, Hughes, Garcia, AJ, Noesi……that’s 6 right there even if they dont add anyone else….

    I just don’t see AJs innings as a necessity…..

  22. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    I also think the Yankees are going to add another starter.

  23. austinmac November 2nd, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Blake,

    I would smile if I never had to watch Burnett frustrate me again. However, I would be shocked if he were traded absent a quality starter being obtained. That, in essence, is what Cashman said.

    Swisher’s post-season stats are very revealing. Thirty-eight games, nearly 1/4th of the season and he has a .169 average and 6 RBIs. When does a sample size become large enough to be predictive? I think we are there.

  24. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    They have been talking about upgrading the rotation for over two years now…….with no Cliff Lee to chase and wait on this year I think they’ll land someone……which leaves even less room for AJ.

  25. LGY November 2nd, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Considering how bad AJ is wouldn’t the more innings he pitches be worse for the team?

  26. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Austinmac,

    Sherman has mentioned your boy Danks a lot lately….there clearly is a match there if the White Sox desire to deal him. My guess is either him or Darvish will be added this winter……or maybe both :)

  27. pat November 2nd, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    “I would like a .300 hitter with 15-20 HR power who doesn’t strike out 100 plus times every year.”

    Do you know how many guys fit the criteria of .300 BA with a minimum of 15HR and less than 100 strikeouts in the 2011 season?

    13- Miguel Cabrera, Ryan Braun, Jacoby Ellsbury, David Ortiz, Duston Pedroia, Aramis Ramirez, Melky Cabrera, Robinson Cano, Troy Tulowitzski, Lance Berkman, Paul Konerko, Carlos Beltran and Brandon Phillips.

    Bring back Melky! :wink:

  28. Bo knows November 2nd, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    “Just getting good pitches to hit and and putting good swings on them, giving my ‘A’ swing every time out and not just trying to put the ball in play,” Teixeira said.

    Every good hitter is successful at hitting mistakes. Teix is into the trap of swinging hard instead of quick. At least he closed his stance a bit last fall. Granderson is also falling into bad habits. They’ve got a Cano demo in front of them daily. Copy Cano, shouldnt be difficult.

  29. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    “Bring back Melky!”

    Or another guy on that list…..Beltran

  30. Jeff in Canada November 2nd, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    I love Cash. Perception is everything. He’s trying to say there is cosiderable value in AJ despite his struggles, should there be someone out there actually willing to trade for him; while at the same time he isn’t saying anything to disgruntle AJ should they be stuck with him. This is GM 101.

    I have stuck with AJ up until the end of this year. “He had the stuff” will be engraved on his tombstone. If all he’s good for is innings, despite the money they’re paying him, he’ll be a fine #5 that is keeping a rotation spot warm from here on.

  31. GreenBeret7 November 2nd, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Who’s going to be in charge of pushing Beltran’s wheelchair out to right field. seems that people are assuming that he’ll hit at 35 like he did at 28 in the post season. Who gets blamed for Beltran;s contract if he breaks down midway through next season? The posters of LoHud or cashman?

  32. slim November 2nd, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    I am so sick of hearing about AJ’s potential, talent, stuff how ever you spin it.
    He is not a 22 year old, he is at the point in his career when he will only get worse, not suddenly turn things around. He can’t be trusted.

    Sell him off now while other teams still think he has Great Stuff and that they can turn him around with a change of scenery.
    Even if you have to pay $8 mil per year or more, the team needs to be rid of him.
    Sell high, which after his last 2 starts which were decent is right now becuase next year after he sucks again his value will drop further.

    No one expected what they have gotten out of Nova, another minor leaguer should now have a chance to become the next Nova, worst case they will be as bad as AJ is but at a lower salary.

    Also, really hope they don’t extend Swisher beyond this year or they explore trading him now; his post season struggles are more than a small sample at this point.
    The Yankees right now have enough regular season offense but have to look into why their bats go silent in the postseason.
    With the expanded playoffs this IMO should be a pressing concern as the Yankees with their payroll should be able to make the playoffs.

    All that aside, great job with the CC signing/extension. Thought both Cashman and CC should get even more credit than they are nationally for taking care of that potentially ugly situation with class and no drama.

  33. Chip November 2nd, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    People – don’t jump all over Cashman’s comments.

    Again, it is the kind of question for which there is no good answer if you’re Brian Cashman. If he says, “Heck yes, of course I would move AJ” or something like that – he’s ripping his own player which just leads to more stories, animosity between him and AJ (and AJ’s agent) and reporters tracking down AJ for his reaction – it’s a headache he doesn’t need.

    So instead he points out AJ’s innings and says that he and the organization believe in Burnett. Is it true? Probably not. But the only people who get annoyed by him saying it are fans who opt to take everything that GMs and managers give to reporters at face value.

  34. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    “Who’s going to be in charge of pushing Beltran’s wheelchair”

    Im sure he could afford a motorized one if he needed it

  35. pat November 2nd, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    but Melky is younger, less expensive, hasn’t had microfracture surgery and has good dimples. :wink:

  36. Chip November 2nd, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    This guy has the Yankees going after George Sherrill – I swear if the club flushes more good money after bad on LOOGY’s I’m going to find Tony LaRussa and slap him in the face with a dead trout.

    Jerry Hairston though wouldn’t make a bad pick up for the bench. And his speculation about CJ Wilson joining a rotation of Danny Haren and Jared Weaver is downright scary.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  37. dogface November 2nd, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    Who’s going to be in charge of pushing Beltran’s wheelchair out to right field. seems that people are assuming that he’ll hit at 35 like he did at 28 in the post season

    =========================

    Good point. Whoever is suggesting that Beltran is a better all around player than Swisher has clearly chosen to ignore the last three seasons of considerably below average defense Beltran has played. Probably ignored that he’s averaged only 400 plate appearances per season over those 3 years too.

  38. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    “but Melky is younger, less expensive, hasn’t had microfracture surgery and has good dimples.”

    Can’t argue with that…..they would probably wont Banuelos for him though knowing the Royals.

  39. champ809 November 2nd, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    GB7

    Beltran seems willing to accept a 2 yr deal- as evidenced by his firing of Boras when he found out he began casual negotiations with the Yanks by insisting on a 3yr minimum deal- and has been begging to be a Yank ever since he left KC.

    He btw hit .323/ 7HRs/ .900+ops as a Gint last year in 44 games…..

    What is pretty much fact is that a 35yr old Beltran is a better player in all facets of the game than a 30-31yr old Swish. Period.

    His career postseason performance is something that is sorely needed on this roster when you look at the postseason histories of most of our big bats, i.e. ARod, Tex and the history of failure there.

    Adding a switch hitting Beltran to the core of Cano, Grandy improves us for both the 162 game season as well as the postseason.

  40. LGY November 2nd, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Who’s going to be in charge of pushing Beltran’s wheelchair out to right field.

    ——–

    You said Martin should be put down like a horse last year because of his hip. People get over injuries especially professional athletes with unlimited resources.

    Micro fracture surgery has come a long way. Beltran is a risk but he’s been a very durable player throughout his career.

  41. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    “Good point. Whoever is suggesting that Beltran is a better all around player than Swisher has clearly chosen to ignore the last three seasons of considerably below average defense Beltran has played. Probably ignored that he’s averaged only 400 plate appearances per season over those 3 years too.”

    When healthy Beltran is a better player than Swisher is….has been his entire career. Also….Beltran had microfracture surgery….but aside from that he’s been a pretty durable guy in his career. The biggest issue with Carlos is the money and how many years he’ll want…..1 or 2 great……3 or 4 …..no thanks.

  42. LGY November 2nd, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Why would the Angels sign CJ Wilson?

    They have no offense.

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 2nd, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    “With all the pressure that builds up, that this environment can create, he was still able to step up and do what he did in October and secure one of our two wins in that Tigers series. It shows you a lot. It shows you a man who’s determined to continue to fight.”

    How can you even argue with this comment? It’s accurate.

    I still have faith in AJ. D I understand those who don’t? Absolutely.

    I don’t understand, like, or agree with anyone who trashes him, but I certainly understand those who express frustration with his inconsistency.

    Do I believe he is still capable of giving the Yankees a great season? Yes I do. Do I believe it will happen if he’s in the Yankee rotation in 2012? Yes I do. Do I believe he will be? Yes I do.

    The rest remains to be seen.

  44. Chip November 2nd, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Swisher, Betances, Hughes for Justin Upton and Joe Saunders…discuss.

  45. slim November 2nd, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Yankees love them some LOOGY’s.
    Girardi’s binder is convinced that a bad lefty is a better option than a good righty against all lefty batters.

  46. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Beltran has played 140 or more games in 9 of the last 11 seasons including 2011.

  47. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    “Swisher, Betances, Hughes for Justin Upton and Joe Saunders…discuss”

    Which part? The one where Towers laughs or the part where he hangs up?

  48. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    If you want J Upton…..think Montero, Banuelos, Nova, + probably more.

  49. slim November 2nd, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    trisha, your point is my point of why they should trade him now.
    Enough people still believe he has the ability and the stuff to be a great pitcher.

  50. GreenBeret7 November 2nd, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    Hell, 90% of baseball was wrong about Martin. I was wrong about that. So what? I still don’t think Beltran will hold up. Maybe him and Sizemore can make one wholei right fielder.

  51. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    Carly SizeBeltran……all star.

  52. dogface November 2nd, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    When healthy Beltran is a better player than Swisher is….has been his entire career. Also….Beltran had microfracture surgery….but aside from that he’s been a pretty durable guy in his career.

    =============================

    Sure, but this isn’t the 28 year old Beltran that is being discussed. He’s a poor outfielder now who steals no more bases. Bat appears to remain pretty strong, but he can’t be counted on to play regularly. Ask the Giants. They had him for 10 games before he had to miss the next 13.

    If nothing else, Swisher has been consistent. Consistent in terms of being able to play everyday, his production, and his outfield play. He’s never going to be the Betran of 5-7 years ago, but at least you know what you’re getting.

  53. Chip November 2nd, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    LGY November 2nd, 2011 at 1:23 pm
    Who’s going to be in charge of pushing Beltran’s wheelchair out to right field.

    ——–

    You said Martin should be put down like a horse last year because of his hip. People get over injuries especially professional athletes with unlimited resources.

    Micro fracture surgery has come a long way. Beltran is a risk but he’s been a very durable player throughout his career.
    ————-

    I believe the key phrase there is “he’s been a very durable player”

    Since then he’s had major surgery and has reached the point in his career where even healthy players start declining.

  54. SoS November 2nd, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    What is up fellas!!

    Surprised this hasnt come up yet this offseason. Need an outfielder? Well I got the perfect
    man for you. Name might ring a bell to some.

    DAY HAY SOOS!!

    For the past 5 years he has been destined to be in pinstripes. Is this the year some lohuders
    get their wish?

    David come on down!!

  55. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 2nd, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Just a generic point here, but I think that if you are unable to see shades of grey in the game of baseball, you are missing some of the more colorful aspects of the game. For example, when we were watching Game 6 of the WS, as soon as the Cards didn’t finish it off in the bottom of the 9th, CB immediately anounced that it was curtains for the Cards since their best hitters had already come up (paraphrase). Some others here immediately agreed. I did not agree since I felt momentum was on the Card’s side and I also know that anything is possible! And that’s what I said. Anything’s possible. Too many people go to automatic black and white and call the future based on a rigid view of the past. It’s good to allow yourself to imagine positive possibilities because a lot of the time, it happens that way. If you’re in the World Series, there’s a good chance that you know how to get a bat on a ball, even if you’re hitting in the 6 hole on. There’s a good chance you’ve gotten a bat on the ball in the past and may be able to repeat that action.

    I’m suggesting that it’s healthy to at least open yourself up to all possibilities, yes failure included if you’re inclined in that direction, but to also acknowledge that success if too a possibility. You really rob yourself blind if you don’t allow yourself expansiveness as opposed to seeing only black and white.

    JMO

  56. SoS November 2nd, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    I say put an outfielders glove on Nooney and have him play right. His infield fielding has been
    like chalk board scratching to my eyes. His bat is like peanut m n ms.

  57. blake November 2nd, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    “Sure, but this isn’t the 28 year old Beltran that is being discussed. He’s a poor outfielder now who steals no more bases”

    No….we are talking about the one that was a very good player last year…..and his defensive isn’t nearly as bad as you’re suggesting. RF at YS would be no problem for him.

    I don’t expect them to pursue him unless they get a good offer for Swish though. I think they’ll quietly shop Swisher early and see where that goes…..if he can help get a pitcher or something else they like then maybe they do that and look into Beltran. I don’t think they will actively try to trade Swisher just to.sign Beltran.

  58. SoS November 2nd, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Sorry Trish. Its pinstripes or black for me. Did not watch an inning of the Series. No Yankees
    no baseball.

  59. SportsGeek November 2nd, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    # SportsGeek WARNING- UPCOMING RANT…
    Baseball __IS NOT__ (and was not) on TV tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Baseball is on MLB.com, and on cable TV if you subscribe to MLB.
    ====
    # Ghostwriter- Right… Because the NBA and the NFL would never broadcast games on their own networks
    # Nick in SF- I can’t imagine there was any much demand for the traveling MLB’rs vs. Taiwanese game on another broadcast or cable outlet.

    @Ghostwriter, @Nick- Every network should be free to broadcast whatever they want, and @Nick You’re right that no other network would be likely to broadcast such a game- clearly not an official game that matters for anything except promotional purposes.
    ==> But I have 2 concerns- 1) Chad’s statement that the game was “on TV”. To me, “on TV” means broadcast on one of the “traditional networks” that anyone with a TV can receive. We need to all realize that narrowcasting doesn’t reach many new fans- therefore doesn’t increase the strength of the game, and 2) a more general objection I have to the policies of the cable-TV system (including UVerse and satellite TV providers). That objection is that we pay for the games 3 times, 3 ways, compared to paying one way when games are broadcast on the “traditional networks”– we pay for the Cable TV service, plus we pay for the MLB add-on, plus we pay by virtue of watching commercials while watching the narrowcast. If I paid for the cable and the MLB, why should I also have to watch commercials??

    # Nick SportsGeek, shouldn’t your rant have been in the thread devoted to the game?
    @Nick- I did post it there, but as you know, people on this Blog 99.9% of the time post their comments under whatever Chad-post is most current, and virtually ignore the older posts. As you may remember, I did try to initiate a campaign to get people to post comments under the relevant post, but received little support for that concept. And I’m sorry that I’m not always able to post in a timely manner (as this response will prove.. LOL).

  60. spidanyc November 2nd, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    According to Wallace Matthews of ESPN New York, the Yankees are “very worried” about Roy Oswalt’s history of lower back problems.
    Oswalt has two degenerative disks in his lower back and while he has never had surgery, he has received numerous cortisone shots in recent seasons. The Yankees are expected to make a play for a starting pitcher this winter, but if Matthews’ source can be believed, it’s unlikely they will take a chance on the veteran right-hander.

    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    Great news!

  61. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 2nd, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    slim – if the Yanks decide to trade AJ, I would have to understand the decision. I believe they have his back. I know I do. But business is business and if they think they can be better off with someone else, they’ll do it.

    I like to make all kinds of predictions. When I make predictions regarding things that I think will happen, I always do it with an eye toward what I think the Yanks will do, not what I want to see happen. I really have listened hard over the years and I think you can get a lot of good information if you pay attention to what’s said and not just what you like or don’t like in what was said. I’m pretty much a tabula rasa (no comments necessary :) ) when it comes to predictions. I glean what I can and predict from there. I think that I think like the Yankees think – if you know what I mean.

    :)

    I did have strong feelings about CC coming back but never a question about whether the Yanks would bring him back.

  62. dogface November 2nd, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    No….we are talking about the one that was a very good player last year

    ========================

    I think we’re talking about a very good hitter who was once a very good all around player.

    If I thought 1 year of Swisher carried much value on the trade market, I’d probably agree with the idea of Beltran, but I don’t see that being the case.

  63. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 2nd, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    “Sorry Trish. Its pinstripes or black for me. Did not watch an inning of the Series. No Yankees
    no baseball.”

    :)

    Confession – if I weren’t rooting against the Rangers I probably wouldn’t have watched any of it either!

    Anyway, too many people stuck in thinking bad as opposed to allowing for the possibility of good. That’s not the way life works!!!

  64. spidanyc November 2nd, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Cashman should inquire on the availability of Josh Johnson. Ozzie loves him some Latin players. Nova (his value will never be higher), Noesi & Nunez for Josh Johnson.

  65. Irreverent Discourse November 2nd, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    You guys have a terrible concept of what is actually replacement level for pitchers…

    The 30 teams in baseball employ roughly 150 starting pitchers. Only 83 of them last year managed to pitch over 170 innings.

    Of those 83 pitchers, 14 of them were worse (less effective?) than Burnett.

    Only 1 of those pitchers was “below replacement level”.

  66. LGY November 2nd, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    Of those 83 pitchers, 14 of them were worse (less effective?) than Burnett.

    ——————–

    Based on xFIP?

  67. Irreverent Discourse November 2nd, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    Sorta, based on your favorite stat… pitcher fWAR :)

    Before you complain about it like usual… find a better way of determining replacement level that doesn’t involve ERA and let me know.

  68. slim November 2nd, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    AJ Burnett’s 2012 numbers are actually quite similar to Derek Lowe’s 2012 #’s and the Braves had to eat all but $5 mil per year to rid themselves of him.

    They are both best described as innings eaters
    Innings eaters can be valuable to teams with young staffs as they give the bullpen a rest.
    For a veteran / contending team that is rich in young pitching bodies in reserve I don’t see the value in the innings eater concept.

  69. Bronx Jeers November 2nd, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    Yanks are in the position that they don’t have to gamble on players like Beltran or Sizemore.

    There’s no need to make the risky breakout pass when you’re up by 2 goals.

  70. BIG AL November 2nd, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    I’d be all for signing Beltran to a 2 year deal, while keeping Swisher around as the 4th OF, and insurance. With any luck Kemp becomes an FA after the next season, and the Yankees get a shot at signing him, and Beltran becomes the 4th OF in his final year.

    Add a #2 or #3 SP and a LH RP, and those moves should be all the team needs to be solid in 2012.

  71. Irreverent Discourse November 2nd, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    LGY – Burnett’s xFIP was 3.63, that would put him 56th on that list of 83 pitchers over 170 innings.

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    He really wasn’t that bad last year. He had a bad month.

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  76. BIG AL November 2nd, 2011 at 2:33 pm

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    With rare exception, he was lousy from the start of July to the middle of September.

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