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Where they rank, from 1 to 182

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 03, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I know Jeff Passan. Met him a few years ago, and he’s lways been a remarkably friendly guy. Easy to talk to, easy to get along with. Seems perfectly reasonable and well adjusted.

Turns out, he’s a little bit insane.

Jeff ranked every free agent on the market. Not the top 50. Not the top 100. He ranked all 182 free agents, with Albert Pujols at the top and Pat Burrell at the very bottom. As a logical follow-up to this morning’s post, here’s where he has all of the Yankees.

43. Bartolo Colon
Between Hideki Matsui and Mark Ellis
Surprised to see him as the first Yankee on the list. His second half will surely scare a lot of teams, but his first half will also give some reason for hope (and reason for a big league contract).

56. Andruw Jones
Between Joe Nathan and Wilson Betemit
Jones isn’t what he used to be, but he’s good at being what he is. Could help a team — including the Yankees — as a power-hitting platoon outfielder.

63. Freddy Garcia
Between Aaron Harang and Kosuke Fukudome
Passan notes that scouts “expect a return from orbit.”  The more people doubt Garcia, the easier it is for the Yankees to keep him on a reasonable one-year deal.

96. Jorge Posada
Between Laynce Nix and Mike MacDougal
Strange to see Posada’s name in the bottom half of this list, but it’s hard to argue with the placement. Hard to know what to expect or what role he could fill.

98. Luis Ayala
Between Mike MacDougal and Aaron Cook
The last man on the Yankees roster out of spring training had a nice season which could land him a big league deal with a team looking for bullpen help.

101. Andrew Brackman
Between Wily Mo Pena and Shawn Camp
Forgot all about him on my list this morning. As Passan writes, team’s will be excited about his potential.

113. Eric Chavez
Between Lyle Overbay and Casey Blake
Of course, this is assuming he wants to play again.

143. Damaso Marte
Between Vicente Padilla and Jose Molina
The fact Marte ranks one spot ahead of Molina says something about the perceived value of left-handed relievers vs. backup catchers.

155. Sergio Mitre
Between Mark Kotsay and Ross Gload
Ahead of Tim Wakefield and Brandon Webb. Behind Jamey Wright and Andrew Brackman. Not much intrigue here. He’s a long man.

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51 Responses to “Where they rank, from 1 to 182”

  1. blake November 3rd, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    To me…..Bartolo carries much more risk of a “return to orbit” than Garcia. Garcia has been pretty decent for 2 straight years now and has learned to pitch with his diminished arsenal. Colon is the opposite of that and last year when the stuff faded so did he.

  2. Joe from Long Island November 3rd, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    from last thread – re: gardner and banuelos for kemp –

    i’d try to get make it betances instead of the left banuelos.

    getting a player like kemp is going to hurt a bit. (unlike that heist the red sox pulled for agon).

  3. Bronx Jeers November 3rd, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Mitre’s # 155 ?

    I had him no lower than 154.

  4. Jerkface November 3rd, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    I agree Blake. Its pretty clear what Garcia’s problems are but his upside is also pretty well known. Bartolo is much less clear a picture for a pitcher. I think his upside is probably more of an impact pitcher than Garcia, but the odds he achieves Garcia’s production or exceeds it are much less.

  5. pat November 3rd, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Veterans Committee HOF candidates:

    B.Bavasi, K.Boyer, C.Finley, G.Hodges, J.Kaat, M.Minoso, T.Oliva, A.Reynolds, R.Santo and L.Tiant

  6. 86w183 November 3rd, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    If they could get Kemp for Gardner, Banuelos AND Betances they should do it. One of the best all around players in baseball isn’t going to be had for a singles hitting OF and AA pitcher.

  7. Joe from Long Island November 3rd, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    or, they could just wait a year, and get kemp for money, only.

  8. Erin November 3rd, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Bronx Jeers November 3rd, 2011 at 12:12 pm
    Mitre?s # 155 ?

    I had him no lower than 154.

    *********************

    :D

  9. Erin November 3rd, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    AndrewMarchand Agent — Freddy Garcia, New York Yankees show mutual interest – ESPN New York http://es.pn/siKbAJ

  10. Jerkface November 3rd, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    If they could get Kemp for Gardner, Banuelos AND Betances they should do it. One of the best all around players in baseball isn’t going to be had for a singles hitting OF and AA pitcher.

    Don’t think I’d trade Gardner + the 2 best pitching prospects in the org for 1 year of Matt Kemp.

  11. Erin November 3rd, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    JackCurryYES Wild scene with Robinson Cano at a night market in Taiwan. 200 people chanted “Ca-no, Ca-no” & followed him around streets, stopping traffic

    He’s a rock star over there! ;)

  12. DSJ November 3rd, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Where’s Aldo?

  13. Erin November 3rd, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    JackCurryYES Cano wore a T-Shirt emblazoned with Taiwanese flag, which made the fans chanted his name louder. He got rock star treatment and loved it.

  14. champ809 November 3rd, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Blake and Jerkface

    I disagree about Colon and Garcia. Colon’s pure stuff even when it tailed off at the end of the season is better than Freddy’s.

    Bartolo’s lack of conditioning caught up to him @ the end of the season but that can be easily addressed particularly now that he knows he can still pitch @ a high level and may be able to make himself an extra 10-15mil over the next couple of years if he gets his legs in shape.

    Freddy’s getting it done on smoke and mirrors and that game runs out real fast.

    I’d feel much better with Colon on a 1yr deal done early with the understanding that we want him to attend fatcamp as well to get in shape to make 30-33 starts.

  15. PittsburghYankeeFan November 3rd, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    I think Sergio Mitre is ranked appropriately. Hopefully the Yankees realize this.

    I’d make a bid at Yu, and sign Freddy G.

    I’d choose between Grady Sizemore and Andruw Jones (if available) after the Winter meetings.

    End of offseason.

  16. champ809 November 3rd, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    That is a most ridiculous trade offer…Gardner/Banny/Dellin for Kemp who will be there to be had in a year for just a check. C’mon

  17. pat November 3rd, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Cano should enjoy every minute of it, take lots of photos and videos for the memories and then get very humble very quickly when he leaves Taiwanese airspace. :wink:

  18. slim November 3rd, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    If I had to choose one for the starting rotation, between Garcia and Colon ;
    I would choose Garcia and I think the Yankees feel the same way.

    I agree Colon has more upside potential but Garcia is the safer choice and can be counted on to take the ball every 5 days.
    Colon if you sign him you can’t count on him ; high risk/high reward, kind of like a cheaper man’s Eric Bedard.

    Neither one should get more than a 1 year deal IMO.

  19. Erin November 3rd, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    BryanHoch Cano takes time to visit kids in Taiwan hospital http://atmlb.com/rW20RF

  20. Chip November 3rd, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    My expectations on the Yankee FA’s

    Colon – Makes sense for a team like Detroit. A big ballpark and a winning team – he would be a nice fit for the back of their rotation. He could go back to the Yankees, but in a relief role and I don’t think they have room there for him.

    Garcia – Yankees. I don’t expect him to dial up another sub 4 ERA performance, but a reasonable 1 year deal could be reached. If not, I wouldn’t be shocked to see him reunite with Ozzie in Florida.

    Brackman – he’ll wind up on a really bad team like the Pirates or Royals – a club that is bad enough to take a shot on him in the rotation or pen and hoping that they can unlock the talent that was once there.

    Chavez – Yankees or retirement.

    Ayala – Like Brackman – he’ll get a major league job on a bad team. Teams like the Yankees don’t sign guys like Ayala to major league contracts – they look for the next Luis Ayala – a guy they can get on a minor league deal who may surprise them

    Posada – Retirement. He can’t catch and most teams are already set at DH. He won’t go willingly, but there won’t be anyone banging down his door to give him a job.

    Marte – will get a job somewhere because he’s left handed.

    Mitre – Will probably wind up back with the Yankees on a minor league deal – I swear, he’s got pictures of Girardi somewhere.

    Low cost players I wouldn’t mind the Yankees bringing in either on minor league deals or sub $5 mil a year contracts for 2 years or less – no I don’t mean all of these guys should be signed, but some combo of this group could provide the 2012 version of Colon, Wade or Chavez:

    David Aardsma – missed all of last year with an injury – pitched very well for the Mariners each of the last two years prior though.

    Joel Zumaya – always hurt still only 27, will probably re-up with the Tigers though.

    Dontrelle Willis – If the Yankees didn’t think Greinke was mentally tough enough to handle NYC then Willis probably is a non-starter; but he did finish well for the Reds last year.

    Paul Maholm – didn’t actually have a bad year with the Pirates last year if you take away the 16 losses (product more of a bad team than just all on him) he’s 30 and left handed so odds are someone will offer him a major league contract though – I wouldn’t mind that if it’s a reasonable one for the Yankees.

    Rich Harden – I thought they should have signed him last winter and thought they should have traded for him in July or August so I’m not backing off of him now.

    Wily Mo Pena – just because anyone who can hit the ball that far should be given a chance in spring training to make your roster as an extra bat off the bench.

    Nate McLouth – Not nearly the player he was when Francessa was lobbying for him – but as a fourth outfielder I wouldn’t mind

    Rick Ankiel – same as McLouth

    Kevin Kouzmanoff – if Chavez does retire – the Kouz could be a RH version of Chavez – someone who can back up at the corners. I would throw Wilson Betemit into this mix but (and this is shocking) Betemit is likely to be one of the better 3b options available this winter and will probably get a starting gig somewhere.

    Jake Fox – can hit a bit, play all over the field and catch – since the Yankees play with such a short bench a guy like him would be very useful.

    Guys I wouldn’t sign even if you paid me to

    Erik Bedard – always something with this guy – he’s either hurt or his attitude is off or he’s distracted – passaroonie

    Damaso Marte – I don’t care if he begs to come back I’m not going near him

    Mike Gonzalez – No. I’ve seen him melt way too many times when he was with the O’s to trust him.

    Let’s just say all the LOOGY’s out there actually – I just don’t see it. The Yankees have been cursed at this spot since Mike Stanton left: Felix Heredia, Ron Villone, Mike Myers, Mike Stanton II, Marte, Feliciano the list goes on and on – just roll with Boone Logan and maybe someone on a minor league deal shocks the heck out of you in spring training but do not spend major league dollars on this position anymore…I beg it!

    Roy Oswalt – wants a multi year deal. Nay nay. I have no interest in a 34 year old career NL pitcher with back problems coming to the Yankees. I have played that game and lost before.

    Edwin Jackson – Type B free agent so he could be tempting but, stop me if you’ve heard this one, is a very talented pitcher who just hasn’t been able to put it all together yet. Sound familiar? It should.

    Hiroki Kuroda – I don’t get the love interest, I really don’t. If I’m going to sign a Japanese pitcher it’s going to be Darvish.

  21. spidanyc November 3rd, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    The Yankees aren’t winning anything with the current roster. Freddy Garcia is not the answer. By re-signing Garcia, the Yankees will be looking at an identical rotation as last year. If Lowe is tradeable, so is AJ. By trading for a Danks or Cain and signing Darvish, the Yankees are instantly World Series favorties.

    CC, Nova, Burnett, Hughes, Garcia – Not winning anything
    CC, Darvish, Cain/Danks, Nova, Hughes – hello World Series

  22. jacksquat November 3rd, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Hopefully Cano picks up Yu on his way back.

  23. yclept November 3rd, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    spidanyc -

    Just like Halladay/Lee/Hamels/Oswalt was “Hello World Series”?

  24. 86w183 November 3rd, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    I guess I have to add this point to every trade comment — I would never give up quality assets to trade for a guy with a year to go until free agency. It’s a given that a player in that category must agree to an extension ala Adrian Gonzalez.

    I’ve made that point going back to Halladay and Lee conversations. I just get tired of typing all the time.

    There’s no guarantee that Kemp will become a FA and no guarantee the Yanks would be able to sign him. If oyu can get him and sign him then, yes I would pay that price.

    Danks is also an impending FA so the same rules apply with him.

    Spidanyc — that’s some rotation. How do you propose to discard Burnett and acquire Danks or Cain and what are you paying for Darvish?

  25. Chip November 3rd, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Dodgers can’t and won’t trade Matt Kemp (or Clayton Kershaw) until the ownership situation is worked out.

  26. mick November 3rd, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    B.Bavasi, K.Boyer, C.Finley, G.Hodges, J.Kaat, M.Minoso, T.Oliva, A.Reynolds, R.Santo and L.Tiant
    ========================
    this is a great group.

  27. LGY November 3rd, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    I think the Yankees acquire 2 pitchers this winter and one of Hughes or Burnett is not back with the team.

  28. Bret The Hitman November 3rd, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    They need to talk to the Phillies about Cole Hamels.

    Philly has sunk 45 million/year in Halladay and Lee. With both pitching 2 games in a playoff series, they’re highly leveraged to win those games.

    They don’t need another 20+ million dollar starter who would only pitch 1 single game in a 7 game set.

    What they need is offense with their biggest bat (Howard) looking like a DH right now…Rollins is gone. Ibanez is gone. They need bats all over the diamond…and a bullpen.

    I think they’d listen on Hamels.

  29. rl1856 November 3rd, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Colon was 2 different pitchers in 2011; pre and post leg injury. When he came back, velocity was down and pitch movement much less. The injury affected his conditioning, which may have impacted velocity. I also think that the injury caused him to adjust his pitching motion, which affected pitch movement.

    Prior to spring training, he had pitched in the winter leagues and essentially logged 50-60 innings prior to arriving in Tampa. Yes he may have experienced fatigue at the end of ’11, but given the additional workload from winter ball onward, fatigue may be understandable.

    If he is in shape and can avoid injury in ’12, I see no reason why he wont have a good season. 15w-180ip-4/4.25 ERA is possible with the Yankees.

    Garcia is what he is, a control pitcher who walks a very fine line between success and failure. He should be good for 150-180ip at a 4-4.5 ERA which will be good enough for the back end of the rotation.

    I would be happy with either Colon or Garcia, but not both if it means blocking the development of a young pitcher. I hope that another rookie gets a shot at the rotation.

    CC-Nova-Hughes-Garcia/Colon-rookie would be an ideal situation. I hope that AJ can be traded, because I think that would be best for all parties.

    I can also see the team bidding for Darvish. If successful, then Garcia and Colon are gone and probably AJ as well.

  30. bruceb November 3rd, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Nice post, Chip. You always come into your own at this time of year. King of the Hot Stove. I don’t think we should re-sign either Colon or Garcia because (a) we’re unlikely to catch lightning in a bottle two years running and (b) we should be aiming higher than that. We need a more reliable rotation IMHO.

  31. m November 3rd, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Yankees and Garcia showing mutual interest? How long will that last? Garcia deserves about $8M guaranteed based on how he pitched for most of the year. How about a 1 year $5M guaranteed + incentives?

    RE: the Gardy for Gordon talk. It’s a little ironic because the Royals name has been attached to interest in Gardy for a while now. Not sure why they’d trade Gordon. He’s cheap, had an all-around breakout season. And they’ve been very patient with him through his struggles. Yes, you can sell high, but for someone way better than Gardner.

  32. Jerkface November 3rd, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    I wouldnt do the Gardner-Gordon swap from a Yankee perspective. Gordon’s offense is better but he’d be atrocious in the spacious YS LF and they’d feel Gardner’s loss defensively. Now if they somehow got Kemp and then dumped Gordon in RF that’d be a better alignment which makes use of Gordon’s 1 defensive tool. But that would require dumping Gardner AND Swisher which I don’t see happening.

  33. Jerkface November 3rd, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    The Royals, Padres, White Sox, and Nationals have been linked to Gardner interest for the past 3 offseasons

  34. 86w183 November 3rd, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    How does Garcia “deserve” $ 8 M ?? He only pitched 146 2/3 innings. I can see no more than a $ 3 M gtd contract and not sure I’d do that.

    First thing Yanks have to decide is if they are going after Darvish. If not, are they ready to package prime assets to take a run at a King Felix or Cole Hammels.

    If not, are they ready to put together a lesser package for Cain or Danks?

    Don’t see how Gardner for Gordon makes the Yanks better

  35. ADam November 3rd, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    The only guy’s on this list the yanks need to call
    -Jones
    -Chavez
    -Garcia

    The Replacements if they decide to go elsewhere or hang it up

    - Cody Ross
    - Casey Blake
    - Marquis/Pinerio

  36. Jerkface November 3rd, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Garcia was worth 9 million by WAR -> FA value calculator. I think that is what m was saying, unless she is just very good at making WAR -> FA value calculations in her head.

  37. blake November 3rd, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    “I think the Yankees acquire 2 pitchers this winter and one of Hughes or Burnett is not back with the team.”

    I actually tend to agree. I think they will add one for sure and wouldn’t be shocked at that scenerio.

    Sabathia, Darvish, Danks, Nova, Hughes. Yes please :)

  38. blake November 3rd, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Champ,

    Garcia has now thrown two solid seasons in a row with that diminished stuff. Colon threw half of a season and started breaking down…..again I think league adjustment was part of it with Colon as well. Garcia is a much safer bet IMO

  39. blake November 3rd, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    “I think they’d listen on Hamels.,

    If they are out of it in July maybe…..

  40. Erin November 3rd, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    DKnobler Red Sox trying to beef up their major-league scouting. Tried to hire Larry Corrigan, but he’s going to Angels with Dipoto

  41. PittsburghYankeeFan November 3rd, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    I think the yankees acquire two pitchers and Hughes and AJ stay with the team.

    The two: Yu and Freddy G.

    AJ is untradable, and I don’t understand the love for John Danks. What is his record in YS?

  42. Pat M. November 3rd, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Nick Swisher would have appeal to the Phillies at first base

  43. blake November 3rd, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Trade Romine for Danks. We don’t need Romine as we have Thurman Munson Russ Martin.

  44. blake November 3rd, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    “Nick Swisher would have appeal to the Phillies at first base”

    Agreed

  45. jacksquat November 3rd, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    blake November 3rd, 2011 at 2:25 pm
    Champ,

    Garcia has now thrown two solid seasons in a row with that diminished stuff. Colon threw half of a season and started breaking down…..again I think league adjustment was part of it with Colon as well. Garcia is a much safer bet IMO

    More than half a season. Colon still had a 3.55 ERA before his last 3 starts beginning Sep 17. He also pitched winter ball. He also pitched 164 innings to Garcia’s 146. Basically Colon looked better than Garcia for most of the season.

    Personally I think people ignore the facts and are still prejudiced against Colon because he is fat.

  46. blake November 3rd, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    “Personally I think people ignore the facts and are still prejudiced against Colon because he is fat.”

    No im prejudiced because he’s old and looked done at the end of the year. He’s 5 tears older than Garcia and relies much more heavily on stuff….if he doesn’t have the velocity he has no plan B. If he wanted to come back next year fir a similar deal then sure…..but if he wants more than that I would walk away thinking I got the best of what he had left already.

  47. tomingeorgia November 3rd, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    jacksquat,
    I’m, with you on Bartolo. Either he’ll be back with us, or be a real pain to us with somebody else in the AL East.

  48. jacksquat November 3rd, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Actually, I think they both rely on location, with Colon having more “stuff” left, despite being older and fatter. Colon’s decline at the end of the season could have just been because of injury and/or having pitched too much in winter ball, plus it was his first full season in a long time. I also think that since he is older he is more likely to be had for a one year deal for less money than Garcia, with a decent chance of as good or better performance.

  49. blake November 3rd, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    “Colon’s decline at the end of the season could have just been because of injury and/or having pitched too much in winter ball,”

    Or because of league adjustment or actual decline……its worth a flyer again but I would nt sign him and guarantee him a rotation spot. Garcia has been solid for two straight seasons in now…..more sample size of recent success and more likely to repeat 2011

  50. Erin November 3rd, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    New Post: Allie Reynolds among Golden Era Hall of Fame candidates

    :arrow:

  51. Dill Pickler November 3rd, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Not only is Passan a little bit insane, he’s a little bit stupid.

    Freddie Garcia ranked below Colon? He’s going to come back “from orbit”? And Eric Chavez ranked behind Andrew Brackman????

    Garcia’s been healthy the past two years, and has had basically the same year for the White Sox in ’10 and the Yanks in ’11. It’s not a fluke. It’s not “orbit.” It’s a veteran pitcher with guts who knows what he’s doing and who knows how to pitch. 12-6 for the Chisox with a 1.38 WHIP in ’10, 12-8 with a 1.34 WHIP for the Yanks in ’11. Yeah, he was in “orbit” last year.

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