Oliver looking for “best opportunity to win”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 05, 2011 
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Would Darren Oliver fit as a second lefty in the Yankees bullpen?
Jerry Crasnick reports that the 41-year-old is considering pitching again, and his wife wants him to, “go wherever he thinks he has the best opportunity to win a ring.” The Yankees would surely offer that sort of opportunity, and they’re in the market for a lefty on a one-year deal (those multi-year LOOGY contracts haven’t worked out so well).
Lefties hit .227/.269/.318 off Oliver this season. They hit .200/.234/.295 off him last year.
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Another free agent pitcher that will surely be debated this winter: Mark Buerhle is reportedly willing to look into signing with any team — not only those in familiar midwest cities — but he might actually lean toward the National League this winter.
Seriously ? Cashman can do better than this guy, promote someone from AAA as a last resort in the very least.
JackCurryYES Jack Curry
How smitten is Robinson Cano with Taiwan? If it wasn’t so far from NY and the DR, Cano said he’d consider living in Taiwan.
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Cano is a rock star over there.
Gary November 5th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
jacksquat November 5th, 2011 at 10:58 am
It’s hard to imagine Yu, who sits 94-96 with his fastball, with good command, at the end of the season in which he threw 230+ innings, plus at least 3 or 4 other good pitches he can go to, not being at least a decent starter in MLB. He is clearly significantly better than Matsuzaka, and others like Irabu and Igawa should not even be mentioned. I’d like the Yanks to get him, as long as they aren’t going anywhere near $100 mil.
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Jack, hard to imagine with all the buildup and possible interest that it isn’t at least close to that number or above it. Especially when the money is being thrown around as of late. Dice K got $51M for rights and then $50M again for 6 years and this guy is supposed to be better. I think the posting goes up as does the salary. If I remember right Dick K got a 6 year deal.
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Boston’s $51 mil posting fee bid was seen as a gross overbid though. It was rumored it was $15 mil over anyone else’s. I don’t know how good of a rumor that was, but it does seem extreme. That kind of posting fee pretty much guarantees you have to pay the guy $20 mil AAV. Lincecum will probably get less than that in arb if you are thinking of that price range. I can’t see anyone, even the Yankees putting up that kind of money even with Yu looking as good as he does.
I can’t say that I’m terribly interested in another guy who “wants to come to the Yankees to win.” I’d rather have guys that want to make a winner wherever they may be, because these are the kinds of guys that are going to make winners of the Yanks, not the ones that just want to go along for the ride on a championship run. This view may not be terribly fair to a 41-year-old reliever for the two-time AL pennant winners, but there it is.
Darren Oliver == Hell No
Cashman should be going all out for Aceves .
jacksquat November 5th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Gary November 5th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
jacksquat November 5th, 2011 at 10:58 am
It’s hard to imagine Yu, who sits 94-96 with his fastball, with good command, at the end of the season in which he threw 230+ innings, plus at least 3 or 4 other good pitches he can go to, not being at least a decent starter in MLB. He is clearly significantly better than Matsuzaka, and others like Irabu and Igawa should not even be mentioned. I’d like the Yanks to get him, as long as they aren’t going anywhere near $100 mil.
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Jack, hard to imagine with all the buildup and possible interest that it isn’t at least close to that number or above it. Especially when the money is being thrown around as of late. Dice K got $51M for rights and then $50M again for 6 years and this guy is supposed to be better. I think the posting goes up as does the salary. If I remember right Dick K got a 6 year deal.
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Boston’s $51 mil posting fee bid was seen as a gross overbid though. It was rumored it was $15 mil over anyone else’s. I don’t know how good of a rumor that was, but it does seem extreme. That kind of posting fee pretty much guarantees you have to pay the guy $20 mil AAV. Lincecum will probably get less than that in arb if you are thinking of that price range. I can’t see anyone, even the Yankees putting up that kind of money even with Yu looking as good as he does.
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One-time silent bids are the best way of getting a bidder’s absolute best price on the first bid; i.e., the amount at which they actually value the item in question. As long as the bidder is able to pay the fee, it’s hard to argue that a winning bid is an overbid, because it is bidder’s subjective assessment of the value of the item.
Still, I tend to agree that the Sox’s bid for Matsuzaka was ridiculous. For my part, I would like to see the Yanks keep their bid below $30 million, which is still a crazy amount of money. If the Yankees go more than that on the posting fee, then they should be hard-nosed in their negotiations with Darvish, say a 4-year deal at $72 million, with team options for years 5, 6, 7, and 8 in succession. In this way the Yanks would best be able to get a return on the posting fee if Darvish turns out to be the real deal.
Ah, what a time to be alive, when a four-year deal at $18 million per is thought of as “hard-nosed” for an unproven commodity.
***Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com reports that the Giants are willing to trade Jonathan Sanchez this offseason.
The Giants have resisted dealing from their stockpile of pitching in an effort to add a hitter, but evidently they’ve reached a point where they feel a move might now be necessary. They’d be selling low on Sanchez, as he fell back to a 4.26 ERA and 1.44 WHIP this season and ended the year with an ankle injury. But, he’s also slated to earn around $6 million in his final year of arbitration before becoming a free agent, so if they’re going to barter him, now might be the time. Teams interested in the 29-year-old would be hoping he could recapture the form he displayed in 2010, when he posted a 3.07 ERA while piling up 205 strikeouts. ***
Any interest???
I feel like SF is looking for someone to over pay for Sanchez big time.
Aceves? He’s under Boston’s control thru his arb years. He doesn’t address a Yanks’ need anyway.
For my part, I would still rather see the Yanks make a move for Wilson for several reasons:
First, he’s had proven success in the big leagues;
Second, he’s a lefty;
Third, he’s historically been very tough on the Red Sox;
Finally, taking him away from a key rival for the AL pennant would be a tremendous kick in th stones to the Rangers.
At the very least, Cash is driving up the price for Wilson by getting involved in the talks. The Rangers probably need Wilson more so than any other team.
On another note, it really seems like the Red Sox have no idea whom they want to manage the team. Their candidates so far have been uninspiring. They wanted Farrell, but Toronto said no. They are really floundering.
Third, he’s historically been very tough on the Red Sox;
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This won’t amount to a hill of beans once signed. AJ also killed the Red Sox. Toronto and the Rays kills CJ wilson already though, and they don’t only face the red sox.
If Toronto picks up another starter, I see them as the bigger AL East threat than boston. The Rays have a self sustaining level of success with their young talent. They are good enough to challenge for the wild card, but not a real threat to do significant damage in the postseason. They don’t have the financial might to add the impactful offensive parts they need. The Jays, on the other hand, have the money and a smart GM.
Jerk beat me to the punch regarding Burnett.
I don’t think it’s ever a strong argument to sign a pitcher due to his success against the RS unless it’s a pitcher who is tough on everybody like Verlander, King Felix, or Price.
” Felix Hernandez is tough against the Red Sucks ”
Hmmmmmm .
Do you remember July 22, 2011 ?
Is it the worst case scenario if the Yanks add very little this offseason?
I don’t think so.
If they tinker, as they did in ’11, they will make the playoffs again.
If they go into the ALDS with the same lineup plus Montero, it should be enough.
2013 is a different story…
I can’t say that I’m terribly interested in another guy who “wants to come to the Yankees to win.”
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Maybe he meant he would like to win another contract?
Jerkface November 5th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Third, he’s historically been very tough on the Red Sox;
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This won’t amount to a hill of beans once signed. AJ also killed the Red Sox. Toronto and the Rays kills CJ wilson already though, and they don’t only face the red sox.
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Giuseppe Franco November 5th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Jerk beat me to the punch regarding Burnett.
I don’t think it’s ever a strong argument to sign a pitcher due to his success against the RS unless it’s a pitcher who is tough on everybody like Verlander, King Felix, or Price.
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That might be relevant if that was the extent of my argument. It also might be relevant if Burnett also had gone 31-15 with a 3.14 ERA in 427.1 IP in the preceding two years as a starter. The fact is that Wilson has been tough on just about everybody. Am I willing to spend $90 million to sign him? No, however, he would be a better bet than Darvish at the same price.
Oliver would be a terrific fit
Oliver would be a terrific fit
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please, stop it