Boggs: Jeter could get 100 percent HOF vote
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18Wade Boggs and Jim Rice are the guests on tonight’s episode of Studio 42 with Bob Costas. During the interview, Boggs is asked about Derek Jeter joining the 3,000-hit club, and he uses that to predict a unanimous Hall of Fame vote in Jeter’s future.
“That’s the way he does things,” Boggs said. “He’s the master of Hollywood scripting, he’s the master of it… Whenever anything revolves around doing something special, Derek’s always involved with it and I’ve got good company now… Within six, seven, eight, nine years down the road, he’s going to be sitting right here (in Cooperstown) walking around the veranda, easily. He may be the only guy to get 100 percent of the vote.”
The interview with Boggs and Rice airs at 9 p.m. ET on MLB Network.
How could anyone not vote for Mo the first year he becomes eligible?
there are always anti-yankee tools out there
Igawa got paid 4 or 5 million a year,after posting fee.
Of course darvish might be great,but he might not be.
I would try for wilson for 4/64-68 million.
Safe signing & we get a number 2 & 4 years goes quick.
2 more years & burnett is gone.
I would love to get hamels.
A number 2 lefty to slot behind cc.
Funny coincidence :
PeteAbe has a post predicting that P.E.D.roia and Adrian Gonzalez will get 100% percent HOF votes, too .
“How could anyone not vote for Mo the first year he becomes eligible?”
Looks imposible to me. There are some “Jeter is overrated” fans, but I’ve never read or heard “Mo is overrated”. Not even “Mo isn’t the best of all times”.
Hello, everyone
I think Greg Maddux will be an interesting test case on this……if he doesn’t get 100% then I don’t know. ….all it would take is one Yankee hating writer.
i was planning to watch the episode, but now that Jeter’s name will be mentioned, is there really anything else to watch on tv. tonight?
i don’t think so!
Oh there are definitely guys that wont vote for Mo because he’s a closer……and a Yankee.
blake has a point. Look at how long it took Gossage to
beg his wayget in.There will never be a 100% HOF vote, because there will always be at least one petty voter. Oh, and precedent, right? As in, well, if Cal Ripken Jr., didn’t get 100%, or Tom Seaver, or Babe Ruth or Lou Gehrig, etc., then how does Jeter get 100%?
It’s a nice thought, but it won’t happen for anyone ever.
He’ll come close, though.
Do the voters have to draw straws? Wouldn’t want to be the guy that has to vote against Jeter. :shudder:
I don’t see what’s safe about CJ Wilson. Yu Darvish has a longer history as a starter, and he’s much younger.
I get that CJ has had success in the league, but it’s only been two years. Seems crazy to me to pay him a ton of money for four or five years.
Luckily Gossage wont vote on Mo…..he wouldn’t let an of those sissy one inning closers in.
RadioKev November 7th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
The Yankees got burned by Igawa, but did it actually prevent the team from winning over the long haul? It didn’t.
The fact is Darvish could be available to help us now. Cain and Hamels can’t and they may never.
There’s a huge opportunity to acquire a talented young arm to an unprohibitive contract. CJ Wilson would cost more, and a trade would cost more.
There’s risk with Darvish, but the upside? His career ERA is sub 2.00. How poorly can that translate? We will probably see.
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Darvish will likely command 3 times what Igawa cost them. Not really a comparable risk.
The numbers he’s compiled in Japan are irrelevant because he doesn’t pitch as often, the talent is obviously not anywhere near the same level, and the mere size of the ball they use could make a significant difference.
The Yanks have shown they do have a limit on how much they are willing to spend and they showed as recently as last offseason that they are not afraid to execute Plans B, C, and D if they don’t get the guy(s) they want (Cliff Lee and Pettitte).
Non-anonymous ballots for baseball HOF will make any writer who tries to defend not voting in Mo look like an idiot. Unless drawing attention to themselves is the goal, he will get 100%.
GF-
Is it the size of the baseball in Japan? I recently read that the stitching is higher which makes it easier to get more break on the curveball. Darvish also throws 25% sliders, a pitch that puts more strain on the elbow.
Ripken didn’t get 100% …..Joe D didn’t get 100%…..no player ever has. All it takes is one writer holding a grudge or having some dumb idea about closers or whatever……again I think Maddax will be an interesting test case.
Cash said that they didn’t have a sabermetrics department before he got more power….but then he created a quantitative analysis group with a super computer name Jerkface….ok that last part isn’t true but the rest is
Now I’m a rogue AI. I’ve installed darvish worms on all the yankee PCs which will automatically bid on him.
If you’re interested in Yu Darvish, this is a good daily update to follow. See the November 6th log from an interview with his father.
It’s true. The more it costs the team in the silent auction to win the bid, the smaller the contract gets paid to the Japanese player, and after 30 days of haggling the team could just say no, and the Japanese team doesn’t get the posting fee, the player is returned and has to wait another year.
http://yakyubaka.com/tag/yu-darvish/
Jeter is a pretty special player; I could see voting him into the HoF unaminously. It would be extremely hard to make a credible case against his enshrinement. One of the key intangibles (this word always comes up when folks talk about Jeter) about Jeter in my view is how he managed to keep his nose clean: No accusations of steroid use, no tawdry or illicit private behavior. And he always managed to remain down-to-earth centered, despite being made a superstar athlete and the toast of NY at such a young age–not a lot of guys would have been able to do that.
Rapid fire questions for Cash besides the Clemens one
best active player: Robbie Cano
Best Yankee team ever: 1998
year he could relive : 1998
favorite baseball movie: the Natural
favorite stadium aside from YS: Seattle
Red Robin November 7th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Funny coincidence :
PeteAbe has a post predicting that P.E.D.roia and Adrian Gonzalez will get 100% percent HOF votes, too .
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You must be joking.
“Now I’m a rogue AI. I’ve installed darvish worms on all the yankee PCs which will automatically bid on him.”
lol
Jeter should be 100% but so should a lot of players…..until somebody actually gets it I’ll skeptical
pat November 7th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Non-anonymous ballots for baseball HOF will make any writer who tries to defend not voting in Mo look like an idiot. Unless drawing attention to themselves is the goal, he will get 100%.
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You raise a good point. Maybe MLB/the HoF should consider revoking the hidden ballot and having the sportswriters cast their votes publicly. I really can’t stand the arrogance of some of these sportswriters (kind of like Robert Duval’s character in “The Natural”), unilaterally imposing stupid and arbitrary rules like no player gets into the HoF unanimously.
blake November 7th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Jeter should be 100% but so should a lot of players…..until somebody actually gets it I’ll skeptical
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I tend to agree: I don’t think that Jeter will get in unanimously either. For somebody to get in unanimously, he is going to have to have a Ruthian ipact on the game. That would be a tough order to fill…
i really thought cal ripken would have been the first 100% winner. hard to imagine a reason that you wouldn’t think he’s a hof’er.
mo should be the first, he’s to relief pitchers what babe ruth is to hitters
Giuseppe Franco November 7th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
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Darvish will likely command 3 times what Igawa cost them. Not really a comparable risk.
The numbers he’s compiled in Japan are irrelevant because he doesn’t pitch as often, the talent is obviously not anywhere near the same level, and the mere size of the ball they use could make a significant difference.
The Yanks have shown they do have a limit on how much they are willing to spend and they showed as recently as last offseason that they are not afraid to execute Plans B, C, and D if they don’t get the guy(s) they want (Cliff Lee and Pettitte).
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Speaking of Pettitte, I wonder if he would consider a comeback, and if he’s still up to the task, after a year-long layoff.
I also am quite skeptical of Darvish. I would rather try my luck with Wilson, who is a bit more of a known factor.
Maddux should be the first. Can’t imagine why anybody wouldn’t vote for a guy with 355 wins in today’s game.
I see no comparison between Igawa and Darvish. Igawa was already declining when the Yank got him. Wikipedia reminds me that “Igawa saw a decline in performance in 2004 and 2005. In 2004, despite leading the league at 228 strikeouts, he went 14-11 with a 3.73 ERA. In 2005, Igawa went 13-9 with a 3.86 ERA, fifth among his team’s starters in ERA, and was briefly exiled to the minors. He was only tied for fifth in strikeouts (down significantly to 145) and 10th in ERA, but was still third in the circuit in victories. While still a productive hurler, Igawa became a target of enthusiastic fan criticism due to his inability to perform at his prior level.”
Yu Darvish is an utterly dominant pitcher in Japan right now. I think the Yanks should sign him, even if it cost over $100 million posting fee plus whatever they have to pay Darvish. Sadly, I’m afraid Igawa’s failure will deter the Yanks from doing that.
I really can’t stand the arrogance of some of these sportswriters (kind of like Robert Duval’s character in “The Natural”), unilaterally imposing stupid and arbitrary rules like no player gets into the HoF unanimously.
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Ghostwriter-
I didn’t even remember that Duval was in The Natural. Here’s a line you’ll enjoy from Redford[Roy Hobbs] to Duvall[Max Mercy]:
Max Mercy: You read my mind.
Roy Hobbs: That takes all of three seconds.
kd November 7th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
i really thought cal ripken would have been the first 100% winner. hard to imagine a reason that you wouldn’t think he’s a hof’er.
mo should be the first, he’s to relief pitchers what babe ruth is to hitters
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I don’t know about that… I love Mo, but the truth is that he plied his trade one or two innings at a time. It’s hard to justify a unanimous bid for him, and guys like Seaver, Gibson, Ryan, etc. not deserving of unanimous consideration. However, I do think that Mo will be a first-ballot inductee, which I believe would be a first, if I’m not mistaken.
YT,
Nice work! I couldn’t remember his character’s name. Duval is a Hell of an actor, even if he is playing a miserable POS like Max Mercy…
I don’t think it’s hard to justify a unanimous bid for Mo…..it is hard to justify why guys like Seaver, Gibson and Ryan weren’t 100%. You hear all the time that there are levels of HOFers….well if they want different levels then they should vote the very best players in unanimously.
Dennis Eckersley:
Indians (1975-77), Red Sox (1978-84, 1998), Cubs (1984-86), A’s (1987-95), Cardinals (1996-97)
He’s sixth on the all-time list for saves, and likely would be in Rivera’s statistical neighborhood if he hadn’t been a journeyman starter for 12 years. When he became a reliever in 1987 with the Oakland A’s – a stroke of genius/luck for manager Tony La Russa – Eckersley became the most dominant closer in the game. In 1988, he gave up Kirk Gibson’s iconic World Series homer (which made it even more improbable). In 1990, “Eck” was so automatic, he had 48 saves and allowed just 45 batters to reach base. He finished with 390 saves, and was the first reliever to be elected to the Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility.
Yoenis Cespedes To Gain Free Agency
By Tim Dierkes [November 7 at 7:15pm CST]
7:15pm: The Red Sox are “sending everyone” to the Dominican to evaluate Cespedes, according to MLB.com’s Peter Gammons. The Rangers are also interested, along with the many teams named below, according to Gammons, who confirms that small-market teams like the A’s, Pirates and Indians will be involved.
The Sox saw that “New Hope” thing on his video
David in Cal November 7th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
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I tend to agree that Igawa isn’t really a good example. However, Darvish has been utterly dominant in an inferior league. It’s hard to project how he’ll do in the Majors. The Yanks already have so many super pitching prospects that I don’t see why they should invest $30 to 50 milion up front just to sign the guy. It’s not like the Yanks are desperate for alternatives.
Yankee Trader November 7th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
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I stand corrected; I forgot about Eckersly. I was thinking of Fingers, Gossage, Sutter, et al.
blake November 7th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Yoenis Cespedes To Gain Free Agency
By Tim Dierkes [November 7 at 7:15pm CST]
7:15pm: The Red Sox are “sending everyone” to the Dominican to evaluate Cespedes, according to MLB.com’s Peter Gammons. The Rangers are also interested, along with the many teams named below, according to Gammons, who confirms that small-market teams like the A’s, Pirates and Indians will be involved.
The Sox saw that “New Hope” thing on his video
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I read an article that said if the Yanks want him they will get him. I don’t know alot about this guy, is he the real deal? If the Sox get him where does he play? not center I think since they have Elsberry out there and Crawford in left. I guess maybe his slot is like the Yanks possibility RF?
Ghostwriter,
Please identify the “many super pitching prospects”.
My guess is the Sox are looking at him for RF.
However, I do think that Mo will be a first-ballot inductee, which I believe would be a first, if I’m not mistaken.
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Ghostwriter-
Had to search again but Dennis Eckersley was the 1st relief pitcher to get in his 1st year of eligibility
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Blake- The Marlins are the possible favorites for Cespedes. Looking for Aroldis Chapman money. Now there is a lefty pitcher I wish the Yankees had bid and won on.
has anyone seen cespedas play?
i must admit, I am really curious about what the kid can do
I read an article that said if the Yanks want him they will get him. I don’t know alot about this guy, is he the real deal? If the Sox get him where does he play? not center I think since they have Elsberry out there and Crawford in left. I guess maybe his slot is like the Yanks possibility RF?
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You’ll never know if anyone is the real deal until they play, but from the videos/articles I’ve read he has a lot of tools including some real nice power and his swing looks good and he has played internationally in the WBC and is a pretty nice player. He’d prolly go to RF for the Sox.
has anyone seen cespedas play?
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If you’ve watched the WBC you saw him play.
Trader,
yea I’m sure the geography gives Florida an advantage if the money is comparable…..if he’s as talented as they say then a 6/30 type deal is really not that significant for the Yankees and is the type of situation where they can afford to takes risks and use their financial advantage…..we’ll see.
Ghostwriter November 7th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
David in Cal November 7th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
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I tend to agree that Igawa isn’t really a good example. However, Darvish has been utterly dominant in an inferior league. It’s hard to project how he’ll do in the Majors. The Yanks already have so many super pitching prospects that I don’t see why they should invest $30 to 50 milion up front just to sign the guy. It’s not like the Yanks are desperate for alternatives.
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Seems like the things you look for regardless of the inferior league assessment are there. He pitches to an ERA in the 1′s, pitches 200+ innings, doesn’t walk many and strikesout alot, also has above average pop on his fast ball. he looks like the real deal.
Desperate and super might not be the right words, maybe said differently the Yanks have significant needs for starting pitchers and their prospects are still unproven and a aways off.
austinmac November 7th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Ghostwriter,
Please identify the “many super pitching prospects”.
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?? Betances and Banuelos are a couple of them; there are at least one or two others in the minors whose names escape me at present. And Noesi has shown promise pitching in the Majors…
“The Red Sox are “sending everyone” to the Dominican to evaluate Cespedes…”
I think they’re serious; they even sent Jed Hoyer.
Game plan pretty obvious, Forte right Forte left. Keep the ball out of Vicks hands.
Heyman On Braves, Pujols, Madson, Marlins
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [November 7 at 7:36pm CST]
Terry Ryan is officially the interim general manager of the Twins, but Jon Heyman of SI.com hears that the longtime GM is recharged and may stay a while (Twitter link). Here are the rest of Heyman’s rumors from SI.com:
The Braves are looking for a Zack Greinke-like return in a deal for Jair Jurrjens, according to Heyman (on Twitter). The Royals obtained Jake Odorizzi, Lorenzo Cain, Alcides Escobar and Jeremy Jeffress for Greinke and Yuniesky Betancourt last offseason.
Twins executive Mike Radcliff and Yankees scouting director Damon Oppenheimer weren’t that interested in the Orioles’ GM job, according to Heyman. The Orioles requested permission to interview them both, but the Twins denied the request and the Orioles hired Dan Duquette before setting anything up with Oppenheimer.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com
However, Darvish has been utterly dominant in an inferior league.
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ALmost every top prospect in baseball is ‘utterly dominant in an inferior league’ before making the jump to the majors. If Stephen Strasberg was available for just money, I’d want the Yankees to have doled out for him as well. This is a unique opportunity to essentially buy a guy that would be the #1 pick in the draft.
No minor league player in history has pitched 4+ seasons of 200 inning ball with an ERA under 2. He would be the best pitching prospect in the game.
I actually think it makes sense for the Yankees to bid on Darvish. From an interview yesterday with his father:
“Has your son spoken to you about his desire to play in the Majors?”
“We haven’t really spoken in detail about it. Nothing has been decided yet. Besides, the Climax Series is still playing out. Then there’s the Nippon Series. He doesn’t want [stories] about whether he’s going or staying to take the spotlight over [what's going on in Japanese baseball right now]. That’s obviously why he doesn’t want to speak [about it].”
He might not decide until sometime in December. If he wants to play in the US he has to wait if the Nippon Ham Fighters are willing to post him, wait for the silent auction and has 30 days to work out a deal.
By that time many teams including the Yankees might have filled their starting pitcher roster. I think therefore it makes sense to bid. If they win and can’t work out a contract, the worst that hapens is he waits until the next offseason and the Japanese team doesn’t get the posting fee.
Nick in SF November 7th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
“The Red Sox are “sending everyone” to the Dominican to evaluate Cespedes…”
I think they’re serious; they even sent Jed Hoyer.
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Well if the guy is as good as the buildup says. Come play RF for us. We don’t want to get outbid by the Sox’s
Gary November 7th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Seems like the things you look for regardless of the inferior league assessment are there. He pitches to an ERA in the 1?s, pitches 200+ innings, doesn’t walk many and strikesout alot, also has above average pop on his fast ball. he looks like the real deal.
Desperate and super might not be the right words, maybe said differently the Yanks have significant needs for starting pitchers and their prospects are still unproven and a aways off.
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Darvish also may be a ways off. That’s the point. Spending $100 million to bring Darvish to NY to be the number-2 guy in the rotation doesn’t mean he actually can be a number-2 guy in the bigs. I’d rather sign Wilson, because he has a pretty solid track record i the AL.
I think Cash is going to work the trade market and bid aggressively on Darvish.
Jerkface-
I posted this link that has daily updates on Darvish, that you’ll like. If you didn’t look at it earlier, especially check yesterdays interview with his father and the other possible Japanese players that might be posted.
http://yakyubaka.com/tag/yu-darvish/
Ghostwriter November 7th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
austinmac November 7th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Ghostwriter,
Please identify the “many super pitching prospects”.
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?? Betances and Banuelos are a couple of them; there are at least one or two others in the minors whose names escape me at present. And Noesi has shown promise pitching in the Majors…
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Young guys, I hope they come along, but still unproven. Who knows what they can so. Lets see how they handle AAA.
Wilson would be fine for 3 or 4 years……I just don’t think Cashman is going to get involved at the numbers that have been talked about. (5/85 or so). If that price falls then maybe he sees the risk/benefit ratio become more favorable…..but right now it’s not.
Great link, YT
From YT’s link.
“He’s the real deal,” says ex-Yankee Darrell Rasner, who has spent the last three years pitching against Darvish for the Tohoku Rakuten Golden Eagles in the Pacific League. “He’s the best pitcher there, in my opinion, and he’d do well in the States. He’s got a winning mentality.
“He seemed to toy with guys in Japan sometimes. When he needs to dial it up, he can really go after somebody with strikeout stuff. I’ve seen him add velocity late, get his fastball up to 96-plus (miles per hour) with guys in scoring position and strike out a couple of hitters.”
Well if he’s good enough for Darrell Rasner…..
Yankee Trader November 7th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
By that time many teams including the Yankees might have filled their starting pitcher roster. I think therefore it makes sense to bid. If they win and can’t work out a contract, the worst that hapens is he waits until the next offseason and the Japanese team doesn’t get the posting fee.
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That’s a really good point. By the time the question of Darvish’s availability is resolved, a lot of guys may already be off the market. Moreover, the Yanks may have already filled their SP needs.
Blake-
if the Braves are willing to trade Jair Jurrjens, not knowing how Tommy Hanson will be, that means they must be concerned about the shoulder that was a problem in 2009.
If Jurrjens had no health issues, IMO he’d go right to the top of the list in front of all the FA starters.
The braves could have a rotation of 4 rookies and Hudson[Beachy, Minor, Delgado, Teheran]
Ghostwriter November 7th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Gary November 7th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Seems like the things you look for regardless of the inferior league assessment are there. He pitches to an ERA in the 1?s, pitches 200+ innings, doesn’t walk many and strikesout alot, also has above average pop on his fast ball. he looks like the real deal.
Desperate and super might not be the right words, maybe said differently the Yanks have significant needs for starting pitchers and their prospects are still unproven and a aways off.
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Darvish also may be a ways off. That’s the point. Spending $100 million to bring Darvish to NY to be the number-2 guy in the rotation doesn’t mean he actually can be a number-2 guy in the bigs. I’d rather sign Wilson, because he has a pretty solid track record i the AL.
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I’m not down on Wilson, Wilson is a LH, but he’s in his 30′s, this kid I think is 27. It’s to me not about the money, the Yanks throw that kind of money around like it’s paper for starting fires. If this kids numbers reflect his true ability and potential it would be a far better deal for the Yanks vrs Wilson.
as I’ve said….I think the Yankees should bid to win on the posting and then negotiate hard on the contract…..try to keep the years down as much as possible.
Now they couldn’t just throw out a low ball offer and refuse to move off it because MLB could give the bid to the #2 team if they suspect they aren’t dealing in good faith…..but they could make a fair offer and try to push him to sign instead of waiting another year if he’s already committed to coming to the states.
Trader,
I think the Braves are mainly just trying to get a big haul for Jurrgens. He’s only got 2 years left until free agency and they are just attempting to maximize return. As far as I know his arm is fine…..he’s a good pitcher and I’d love to get him but I wouldn’t go nuts on an offer…..
Gary November 7th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
I’m not down on Wilson, Wilson is a LH, but he’s in his 30?s, this kid I think is 27. It’s to me not about the money, the Yanks throw that kind of money around like it’s paper for starting fires. If this kids numbers reflect his true ability and potential it would be a far better deal for the Yanks vrs Wilson.
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There’s no doubt that Darvish has a higher potential upside than Wilson (or just about any other free agent on the market this year). However, he also comes with the biggest risk attached. Darvish is the sexy choice; Wilson is the safe choice.
I’ve read that Japanese Emperor Akihito isn’t well.
Maybe the Yankees could bid whatever healthy organs that can be harvested from Randy Levine and Lonn Trost?
Ghostwriter November 7th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Yankee Trader November 7th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
By that time many teams including the Yankees might have filled their starting pitcher roster. I think therefore it makes sense to bid. If they win and can’t work out a contract, the worst that hapens is he waits until the next offseason and the Japanese team doesn’t get the posting fee.
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That’s a really good point. By the time the question of Darvish’s availability is resolved, a lot of guys may already be off the market. Moreover, the Yanks may have already filled their SP needs.
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Minor issue, if Brian and the owners want this guy they will work around that. First milepost is he deciding along with his team that he wants to play MLB. I think it’s mainly up to him, the team won’t stand in his way if he wants to play in the US. Not much really happens until it passes through that first gate.
Buerle is probably the safest choice.
blake November 7th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
Buerle is probably the safest choice.
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Probably, but I would like to see us get the best guy. That’s what the Yanks have been all about and why they have been so successful. If Darvish is the best guy out there and avaliable then lets go get him.
Boy the Eagles look flat, nice Go Bears, Go G Men
Jerkface November 7th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
However, Darvish has been utterly dominant in an inferior league.
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ALmost every top prospect in baseball is ‘utterly dominant in an inferior league’ before making the jump to the majors. If Stephen Strasberg was available for just money, I’d want the Yankees to have doled out for him as well. This is a unique opportunity to essentially buy a guy that would be the #1 pick in the draft.
No minor league player in history has pitched 4+ seasons of 200 inning ball with an ERA under 2. He would be the best pitching prospect in the game.
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My point is simply that Darvish is essentially a prospect, until he demonstrates that he can compete in the Bigs. He may be an exceptionally good prospect, but a prospect nonetheless. I just don’t see how parting with close to $100 million on a prospect could be worth it.
I wonder how much it costs Major League clubs to draft young talent with a high pick in the first round, and to develop them into big leaguers. I can’t imagine that it costs anywhere near $100 million dollars to draft and develop a Strasburg.
Blake-
On Jair Jurrjens:
This was in February of 2010 when he reported to camp, not 2009.
Two people familiar with the situation said a team athletic trainer examined the right-hander this week and found the rotator cuff and labrum in his throwing shoulder to be structurally sound.
However, since his mild soreness has lingered for several few days, the decision was made to fly him to Atlanta for a precautionary MRI by the end of the week. The Braves hope he has nothing more than a case of biceps tendinitis.
Jurrjens told a team official that he felt a twinge when he flipped a ball underhanded during a recent game in his native Curacao, shortly before he arrived in Florida.
He had some issues with shoulder weakness in the past, but not since strengthening the shoulder in specific offseason workouts each of the past two winters.
Jurrjens pitched a career-high 215 innings in 2009 and allowed two earned runs or fewer in 29 of 34 starts. He was named NL Pitcher of the Month in September after going 4-1 with a 1.25 ERA.
If the arm is sound, he’d be a #2 on many teams.
“Probably, but I would like to see us get the best guy. That’s what the Yanks have been all about and why they have been so successful. If Darvish is the best guy out there and avaliable then lets go get him.”
agree…..I don’t think Buerle would be a huge upgrade over what they have but he’s a good bet to throw 200 innings and would probably have a chance at 13-15 wins with the Yankees…..he’d probably be a little better version of Sweaty Freddy without a huge finanical commitment…..I think he’ll go back to Chicago though.
Darvish also may be a ways off. That’s the point. Spending $100 million to bring Darvish to NY to be the number-2 guy in the rotation doesn’t mean he actually can be a number-2 guy in the bigs. I’d rather sign Wilson, because he has a pretty solid track record i the AL.
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I’m not buying the CJ Wilson experience idea. He’s been a starter for two years.
Trader,
yea….depends on what it would take to get him….enough injury concern etc to keep offers down though for only 2 years of control I would think.
I’d never trade for Jurrjens. The guy hasn’t proved he can stay healthy.
Wilson really looked bad in the playoffs…..I’m not as concerned about the results because that’s a small sample…..I’d be more concerned just about how he was throwing the ball and how flat everything was…..is the innings jump finally hitting him? was he hiding a nagging injury? just a funk mechanically? I don’t know but it would be worrisome when considering giving him a big contract.
College basketball on an Aircraft Carrier? Now there is a tipoff classic.
It is often said here that paying a big posting fee is better than paying luxury tax. Why?
Mark Buehrle, is only 32, made 14M last year and won GG again, plus he has 11 straight years of pitching 200 or more innings.
If he did want to leave Chicago, my guess he won’t be signing for Garcia money and will want at least 2, but probably 3 years.
pat November 7th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
It is often said here that paying a big posting fee is better than paying luxury tax. Why?
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Who would you rather pay? Teams in Japan or the teams in the MLB you’re competing with?
It is often said here that paying a big posting fee is better than paying luxury tax. Why?
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I’m not sure it was said that way. The Yankees are now in the 40% luxury tax bracket for everything over 178M. As of now there’s no CBA signed for 2012, and I’m not sure what and if there will be a luxury tax at 40% over 178M.
CJ Wilson at 17M would cost the Yankees 23.8M
Darvish at 9M would cost the Yankees 12.6M or 1/2 of Wilson per year.
“College basketball on an Aircraft Carrier? Now there is a tipoff classic.”
especially when the Heels are playing
Goodnight everyone.
Good as always having some excellent discussion on baseball.
“I can’t imagine that it costs anywhere near $100 million dollars to draft and develop a Strasburg.”
How can the Yankees draft a Strasburg right now?
Nick in SF November 7th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
“I can’t imagine that it costs anywhere near $100 million dollars to draft and develop a Strasburg.”
How can the Yankees draft a Strasburg right now?
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Indeed, it’s highly unlikely the Yankees will be able to draft a player on that level any time soon. They have to take advantage of international markets where they can out spend the competition.
Buerhle is only 32?
Wow. It seems like he has been around forever.
Luxury tax doesn’t get distributed to other MLB teams.
RadioKev November 7th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Nick in SF November 7th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
“I can’t imagine that it costs anywhere near $100 million dollars to draft and develop a Strasburg.”
How can the Yankees draft a Strasburg right now?
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Indeed, it’s highly unlikely the Yankees will be able to draft a player on that level any time soon. They have to take advantage of international markets where they can out spend the competition.
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It seems to me that getting players out of the Latin American countries seems like a more cost-effective way of acquiring international talent. The Yanks also might consider recruiting some of these Japanese kids BEFORE they sign with a NPB club, to grab top prospects without having to pay the posting fee.
Factoring in luxury tax, paying a $50M posting fee and a 5/$40M salary is the same amount out of the checkbook as paying a non-Japanese pitcher about 5/$75.
The better pitcher for the money and not who gets to cash the check seems the important thing.
Buerhle is also a Type B free agent so no draft pick compensation. Intriguing.
“Factoring in luxury tax, paying a $50M posting fee and a 5/$40M salary is the same amount out of the checkbook as paying a non-Japanese pitcher about 5/$75.”
That’s still 15 million dollars though and I believe the Yankees have a threshold with their payroll that they feel is perceived as being acceptable…..around 200-210 million. The posting fee doesn’t go on the payroll so it gives the illusion that its not there……they still have to pay it…..but it makes their payroll look 7-10 million less if they don’t.
blake November 7th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
“Factoring in luxury tax, paying a $50M posting fee and a 5/$40M salary is the same amount out of the checkbook as paying a non-Japanese pitcher about 5/$75.”
That’s still 15 million dollars though and I believe the Yankees have a threshold with their payroll that they feel is perceived as being acceptable…..around 200-210 million. The posting fee doesn’t go on the payroll so it gives the illusion that its not there……they still have to pay it…..but it makes their payroll look 7-10 million less if they don’t.
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They would have to pay the posting fee up front. The salary and the luxuary cap should be discounted for the out years. Without running the numbers, I think that signing the 5-year player for $75 million is probably cheaper. Nevertheless, I agree with Pat that the Yanks should go after the better pitcher for the money, and not worry about who cashes the check.
Blake
It’s an extra $6M not $15M becaue the $9M to the Japanese pitcher would go on the books.
If they were really worried about perception, they wouldn’t go over the luxury tax limit.
If anyone is going to get 100% i would think it’s going to be Mariano..