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Posada: “It’s not going to happen”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 09, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Jorge Posada can read the writing on the wall as well as anyone. Brian Cashman has not yet reached out to Posada’s agents this offseason, but Posada doesn’t need a phone call to tell him the Yankees don’t have a spot for him on their roster.

“I don’t think there’s even a percentage of a chance that I can come back,” Posada said. “… It’s not going to happen.”

Posada said five or six teams have already contacted him this offseason, and he started working out on November 1 — which he’s always done — but at this point he’s trying to decide between retirement and playing for a new team.

“I will always be a Yankee,” he said. “The Yankees for me is my second family. It would be tough to put on another uniform for real and learn another set of rules and all that stuff, but that’s one of those things. I have to see if I want to keep playing… Do I want to do it for somebody else? Do I want to leave home? Do I want to do it all over again without knowing anybody? It would be tough. I’ve got great people, great friends and great teammates and it would be tough to learn new people again.”

Posada said he’s not upset with the Yankees. He understands what’s happening, and he understands why it’s happening. He called his relationship with the organization, “a great partnership” and said the first check that came into his foundation for tonight’s dinner was from the team.

“At the end of the day, it’s a business,” Posada said. “You look back and you wish there was some things that could have gone differently, but they didn’t. There’s nothing I could control. Everything happened for a reason. I’m not bitter at the Yankees. I’m not bitter at Joe Girardi. I’m not bitter at Brian Cashman. It just happened.”

Posada said he’s been talking a lot with Bernie Williams — talked to him today, as a matter of fact — and Bernie has told him to make sure his decision is the right one. Posada’s wife, Laura, said she’s told her husband to make sure he doesn’t look back with any regrets (about either staying or going). Posada guessed that he won’t make up his mind until closer to February.

“If I don’t want to play, you guys will be the first ones to know,” Posada said. “I’m not one of those guys that’s going to linger around and wait. I’ll tell you.”

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219 Responses to “Posada: “It’s not going to happen””

  1. Against All Odds November 9th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Francesa was right no way would they let him get to Saturday and coach

  2. blake November 9th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    news conference is on ESPN news

  3. RMS November 9th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Paterno deserved to be fired.

  4. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    President jettisoned also.

    blake – a skeptical person could think that the trustees got rid of Paterno and Spanier as part of a smoke screen so that nobody would start asking questions about whether or not they had knowledge.

    I’m seriously not positing they did, since I truly don’t know anything about their info or involvement.

  5. blake November 9th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    what a mess

  6. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    some apparent Paterno lover media person just asked how the trustees could have made this decision without a thorough investigation of all the facts.

  7. blake November 9th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    I hope Wilson Ramos is ok

  8. blake November 9th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    The reporters in the room sound mad that Paterno was fired

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Feel bad for the trustees who genuinely did not have a clue about any of this, maybe until the point where they heard an investigation was happening. You look at those faces and it is very very sad.

    Same accusatory voice – “what would be the harm in letting the coach finish until the end of the season?”

  10. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    what a mess is right. That’s why I said this is so huge that we cannot even begin to realize how huge it is. Penn State has at least for now been turned upside down.

  11. Ghostwriter November 9th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    some apparent Paterno lover media person just asked how the trustees could have made this decision without a thorough investigation of all the facts.
    ====

    A product of an overly litigious society. There just isn’t enough good old-fashioned shame in America anymore. Everybody is always looking for an out, rather than just owning up to the wrong that you do.

  12. Tom in N.J. November 9th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Joe Posnanski , perhaps the best writer in America today, sports or otherwise, is writing a book on Joe Paterno. He’s was essentially following him around this year.

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Good for that trustee. Who the F does the press member think he is? Maybe he should have read the flippin’ grand jury report.

  14. blake November 9th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    “Joe Posnanski , perhaps the best writer in America today, sports or otherwise, is writing a book on Joe Paterno. He’s was essentially following him around this year.”

    that last chapter will have a twist

  15. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    Ghost – amen. An amoral society that is on its way to hell in a handbasket.

    Thankfully, there are decent people still roaming this earth, many apparently on this forum.

  16. REZ12 November 9th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    The guy is 85 years old and has been the face of the program for 6 decades… least they could have done is let him finish out the season. The school’s reputation is screwed forever anyway, anything that happens now is just damage control but no one’s opinion is going to change.

    I’m glad that he didn’t willingly step down and they forced the school to fire him. As if he was the only one who tried to cover this up… reports leaked of this many times in the past and no one said a word… Sandusky is the criminal, not Paterno….

  17. Tom in N.J. November 9th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    It’ll have something, blake, that’s for sure. Unreal goings-on in PSU. Let ‘e all burn.

  18. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    REZ – Paterno did not take appropriate action after he was told that his assistant coach was seen having anal sex in a university shower with a young boy. Period. He aided in breaking a Pennsylvania law that says suspicions of child abuse/molestation MUST be reported to the appropriate state agency. No report was made.

    It doesn’t matter whether you’re John Smith or Joe Paterno. Nobody is above the law. His negligence is part of what has caused a huge PR nightmare for Penn State, NOT TO MENTION AIDED IN RUINING THE LIVES OF WHAT APPEARS TO BE AT LEAST 20 (THEN) YOUNG BOYS.

    Maybe there’s no penalty harsh enough for ruining young lives that way.

    By the way, trust that Paterno is not the only head that will roll. The president has already been fired, and the other morally decrepit pieces of dirt will be indicted by the next grand jury.

  19. blake November 9th, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    “I’m glad that he didn’t willingly step down and they forced the school to fire him. As if he was the only one who tried to cover this up… reports leaked of this many times in the past and no one said a word… Sandusky is the criminal, not Paterno….”

    if the board had sufficient evidence to suggest that he knew that children were being raped and that he was one of the numerous people who failed to act to stop it…..then they are justified in their actions tonight.

  20. LGY November 9th, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    Wow. These people asking questions are idiots.

  21. blake November 9th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    “Wow. These people asking questions are idiots.”

    fanboys

  22. LGY November 9th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Embarrassing display by the Penn State community and will likely only get worse.

  23. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    “Wow. These people asking questions are idiots.”

    LGY – if you didn’t hear it for yourself you wouldn’t believe that anyone would have asked questions like that based on everything that is totally out there for public consumption.

    So there you have it, and it comes full circle. The guy is considered god by everyone – the press there included.

  24. Against All Odds November 9th, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    REZ12 November 9th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    The guy is 85 years old and has been the face of the program for 6 decades… least they could have done is let him finish out the season

    ——————

    Maybe they could have done that but there was no way they were going to let him run out of the tunnel with the team while the world(using the word loosely) sat and watched.

  25. Tom in N.J. November 9th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    “Embarrassing display by the Penn State community and will likely only get worse.”

    FOX 29
    There are reports riot police have been deployed in State College

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Impressed by Matt Millen. Very impressed.

  27. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Tough that the board of trustees had to deal with this since the President of the school was relieved of his duties.

    This story will not only become a book but a movie. What happened to the DA who dismissed the case.

    DA Who Refused To Prosecute Sandusky In ’98 Missing Since ’05
    Ray Gricar disappeared in 2005. Gricar’s car and laptop were found along the Susquehanna River, but police have yet to find the former district attorney.
    In 1998, Gricar made the decision not to file charges against Sandusky after a mother told university police Sandusky had inappropriate contact with her 11-year-old son

  28. blake November 9th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    many of the reporters seriously seemed angry that he wasn’t allowed to finish the season……were they just going to put on their navy sweaters and chant “Joe Paterno” saturday?

  29. RMS November 9th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    REZ12

    I don’t give a crap how old Paterno is.

    His big ego kept him from stepping down.
    You can feel sorry for him but my sorrow is for the innocent boys that were raped and will NEVER be the same.

  30. Against All Odds November 9th, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    # Tom in N.J. November 9th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    “Embarrassing display by the Penn State community and will likely only get worse.”

    FOX 29
    There are reports riot police have been deployed in State College

    ———————————–

    This is getting uglier

  31. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    “You can feel sorry for him but my sorrow is for the innocent boys that were raped and will NEVER be the same”

    Tears.

  32. Joe from Long Island November 9th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Trisha – it’s the job of a board of trustees to know what’s going on. From all the stories coming out, including the story that was linked on this blog earlier today, from a local news outlet – sanduskys behavior was out in the open.

    Heck, don’t you think the reason the coach in waiting suddenly retired a decade ago would raise questions?

    One questioner asked if this was related to board members wanting pattern to step aside in 2004.

    I think this was the most cynical move, made for business reasons. I think that, despite whatever paterno’s guilt, genus being made the fall guy for an institutional problem.

  33. Eroc November 9th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    Wow these kids are idiots. They better have ample security there tonight or this thing is going to get ugly.

  34. blake November 9th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Joe,

    as I said earlier….I think it would be interesting to know how many of those board members knew the same stuff paterno did or more.

  35. Eroc November 9th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    “I think this was the most cynical move, made for business reasons. I think that, despite whatever paterno’s guilt, genus being made the fall guy for an institutional problem.”

    Couldn’t agree more.

  36. blake November 9th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Yes its a worry….I hope they have more than a few campus cops out there tonight.

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Joe, did you read the grand jury report? I believe that if the trustees did anything other than what they did, they would have been giving Paterno a silent vote of affirmation.

    Long after Paterno is gone, Penn State needs to thrive as an institution.

    This is no small matter for Penn State.

    They just made a sound business decision.

  38. Against All Odds November 9th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    # Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Tough that the board of trustees had to deal with this since the President of the school was relieved of his duties.

    This story will not only become a book but a movie. What happened to the DA who dismissed the case.

    DA Who Refused To Prosecute Sandusky In ’98 Missing Since ’05
    Ray Gricar disappeared in 2005. Gricar’s car and laptop were found along the Susquehanna River, but police have yet to find the former district attorney.
    In 1998, Gricar made the decision not to file charges against Sandusky after a mother told university police Sandusky had inappropriate contact with her 11-year-old son

    ——————————

    That’s a whole other side to this story. From what I’ve read he seemed like a crusader. You know one of those guys that fought for truth and justice. What would cause him to not file chargers if he is the type of guy?

  39. Tom in N.J. November 9th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Once the Feds announced that they are investigating Penn State to see if it failed to report incidents of sexual abuse on campus, Parerno was done.

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    I’m surprised that you wouldn’t understand the need for a business decision at this point. Penn State is much bigger than Joe Paterno!

  41. LGY November 9th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Only redeeming thing left about State College is the super awesome Wegmans.

  42. yanks 27 November 9th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Would be fitting if the NBA lockout ends tonight – if a tree falls in the forest…..

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    “What would cause him to not file chargers if he is the type of guy?”

    Just a guess, but the type of power and influence that Penn State football had on the state of Pennsylvania?

  44. yanks 27 November 9th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    It is bush league of ESPN to take the Miami of Ohio vs. Temple football game off the air to show this Paterno non-sense…. put this on ESPN2….

  45. pat November 9th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    McQueary allowed to remain?

  46. Against All Odds November 9th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    “What would cause him to not file chargers if he is the type of guy?”

    Just a guess, but the type of power and influence that Penn State football had on the state of Pennsylvania?

    —————————————

    That could be the case and it’s not surprising if it is.

  47. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Tom, expect other heads to roll once the feds sink their teeth in, because their report will indicate that Penn State did not report what it was supposed to and then all of the major players will probably either resign or be canned – and some of them could be indicted by the GJ.

  48. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    Trisha-

    State College, PA is all about football and the money it generates for the college and town.

    The Longhorns’ $87.5 million in gross revenue from Texas’ football program is nearly $20 million more than the amount from the next highest school, Ohio State at $68.19 million. Ohio State spent a national-high $32.3 million on its football program, about $10 million more than Texas.

    Following Texas and Ohio State in football gross revenue are four SEC schools — Florida ($66.15 million), Georgia ($65.21 million), Alabama ($64.6 million) and LSU ($61.86 million). Penn State ($61.76 million) ranks seventh, with Auburn ($58.61 million), South Carolina ($57.11 million) and Notre Dame ($56.92 million) rounding out the top 10.

  49. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Odds, here’s another thing I’ve wondered about. It seems that there was lots of information out there about Sandusky. Is it possible that Gricar heard more and more of those reports and actually took his own life because he gave in to that influence and felt responsible for Sandusky’s continued debauchery?

  50. Ghostwriter November 9th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    blake November 9th, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    “I’m glad that he didn’t willingly step down and they forced the school to fire him. As if he was the only one who tried to cover this up… reports leaked of this many times in the past and no one said a word… Sandusky is the criminal, not Paterno….”

    if the board had sufficient evidence to suggest that he knew that children were being raped and that he was one of the numerous people who failed to act to stop it…..then they are justified in their actions tonight.
    ===========

    This wasn’t about proof: It was about right and wrong. Paterno thought that he had done enough to covre his (and the university’s) ass. He didn’t. Now, this morning he issued a fairly self-serving statement, instead of the full-throated apology that he owed the community, acknowledging his failure to act. It really is that simple.

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Trader – Penn State could lose all federal funding if the DOE finds that they failed to report that reviling activity – and it is apparent they did – and as a result that satanic pedophile continued his perversion on the very grounds of the same institution.

    Trustees needed to make a very quick and pragmatic business decision. And they did.

  52. Joe from Long Island November 9th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Trisha – do you think that Joe Paterno singlehandedly orchestrated this coverup?

    Of course he didn’t.

    Paterni’s behavior is not the question here.

    The question is why didn’t the Board act until the grand jury report came out. It really seems that Sandusky’s behavior was talked about, and in the media. How did all that escape the attention of the Board? What did they think that grand jury was doing, killing time by asking stray questions about liitle boys?

    I really think that Board is scared that the individual members of the Board might get caught in this, and scared that Penn State will lose revenue.

    They’re hoping that by sacrificing Paterno, they can salvage their brand. Like the guy on ESPN just said, this was a business decision, not a moral one, based on keeping the $$$ coming in.

    They’re hoping for business as usual this Saturday. That’s my opinion.

  53. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Trisha-

    Gricar’s body was never found. Not a suicide.He disappeared. Murdered?

  54. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Joe, everything you’re saying could be exactly on the money. It still ended up being a sound business decision.

  55. blake November 9th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    “They’re hoping that by sacrificing Paterno, they can salvage their brand.”

    I agree with that….but I don’t think it changes the egregious lapses in judgment that occurred.

  56. LGY November 9th, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    The media members who asked questions at the press conference should be forced to find a different profession.

  57. Against All Odds November 9th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Odds, here’s another thing I’ve wondered about. It seems that there was lots of information out there about Sandusky. Is it possible that Gricar heard more and more of those reports and actually took his own life because he gave in to that influence and felt responsible for Sandusky’s continued debauchery?

    —————————————–

    There are ppl that believe he took his own life because things seem so weird such as his home computer containing search results on how to fry a hard drive.

  58. Ghostwriter November 9th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Joe from Long Island November 9th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Trisha – do you think that Joe Paterno singlehandedly orchestrated this coverup?

    Of course he didn’t.

    Paterni’s behavior is not the question here.
    ================

    Paterno had the power to make it right. He should have acted much more forcefully. Instead, he did the bare minimum, hoping that he could protect the university by sweeping it under the rug. This is pretty much exactly how the Catholic Church went wrong with the pedophile priest scandal.

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Trader – I remember watching the documentary about Gricar and I remember his fiancee saying that he was depressed in the days before he disappeared. Was he being threatened? Was he talking about reinstating charges based on new information and silenced because of it?

    When the Gricar documentary was shown, of course there was no connection made with this current horror show.

  60. RMS November 9th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    McQueary allowed to remain?

    ——————————————————————————————-
    I cannot tell you what I would like to see done to McQueary. This “man” walked in and saw a boy being raped and did nothing. He walked out and left the boy with a pervert.

  61. blake November 9th, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    Have they said anything about McQuery? How can he be allowed to stay?

  62. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    Joe-

    Another question is how did Sandusky have access to the Penn State facilities when he retired in 1998. Sandusky was a possible heir apparent at one time to be head coach at Penn State, and played for Paterno.

  63. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    “Paterno had the power to make it right. He should have acted much more forcefully. Instead, he did the bare minimum, hoping that he could protect the university by sweeping it under the rug.”

    I agree Ghost. With the power that the one man wielded, he was in a position to make things right or to turn his head to them – and by so doing perhaps even encouraging the others to do the same thing. I think Paterno had more influence than the president of the U.

  64. blake November 9th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    “I cannot tell you what I would like to see done to McQueary. This “man” walked in and saw a boy being raped and did nothing. He walked out and left the boy with a pervert.”

    and has allowed this to stay off the radar for 10 years…..unreal.

  65. Ghostwriter November 9th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    RMS November 9th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    McQueary allowed to remain?

    ——————————————————————————————-
    I cannot tell you what I would like to see done to McQueary. This “man” walked in and saw a boy being raped and did nothing. He walked out and left the boy with a pervert.
    ===

    I just can’t fathom that choice. How could he justify that to himself?

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    I don’t think you’ve seen the end of the head rolling by a long shot. They’ve gone for the most influential names first. Two investigations will insure that many others are also put out on the street. This is just the beginning.

  67. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Okay, let me tell you what I think allowed McQueary make the decision he did. Graduate assistant to one of the most powerful men in football – Paterno. A kid who wanted a future in football. Told Paterno. Told Curley and Schultz. Was told they would take care of it and he didn’t need to do anything further. Thought that if he took it further on his own, he would be totally ostracized by the entire state – so it seems – that refused to do anything to compromise the football program at Penn State. He was 28. Do I condone that he did nothing further? No. Can I imagine reasons he didn’t? Absolutely.

  68. Joe from Long Island November 9th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Ghostwriter- yes, there are a lot of similarities with the Church scandal. Both cases, many people had the chance to do the right thing.

    And, they each demonstrate the sin of arrogance. Arrogance in thinking they could cover up a scandal. All in the name of saving their brand and their way of doing business.

    They think that by firing Paterno and Spanier they can put a stop to the bad publicity. Another cover up. Another example of institutional arrogance.

  69. billy November 9th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Any comments on this post even about Jorge?

  70. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Karma is a bi*ch kids. Karma is bi*ch.

    Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    “They think that by firing Paterno and Spanier they can put a stop to the bad publicity. Another cover up. Another example of institutional arrogance.”

    It is certainly a start and to have allowed Paterno and Spanier to stay on in light of the Grand Jury investigation would have been suicide.

    I’m not getting that you aren’t getting this Joe. Did you read the report? Two wrong don’t make a right, if you are on to something. Whether or not the trustees knew or should have done something has nothing to do with the immediate action they had to take for the good of the reputation of Penn State, not to mention its future in terms of the federal funding it receives.

  72. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Tony Manfred|November 07, 2011|

    Former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky worked out at Penn State football facilities as recently as last week, Dan Wetzel of Yahoo! Sports reports.

    Sandusky faces 40 counts of sexual child abuse, including multiple instances of alleged sexual abuse in PSU football showers.

    This is a shocker.

    The grand jury investigation that resulted in Sandusky’s arrest had been going on for three years.

    The athletic director, Joe Paterno, and others testified, and therefore HAD to be aware that something major was pending.

    Yet they still let him hang around the program until the bitter end.

  73. Ghostwriter November 9th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Okay, let me tell you what I think allowed McQueary make the decision he did. Graduate assistant to one of the most powerful men in football – Paterno. A kid who wanted a future in football. Told Paterno. Told Curley and Schultz. Was told they would take care of it and he didn’t need to do anything further. Thought that if he took it further on his own, he would be totally ostracized by the entire state – so it seems – that refused to do anything to compromise the football program at Penn State. He was 28. Do I condone that he did nothing further? No. Can I imagine reasons he didn’t? Absolutely.
    ==========

    I guess that this seems plausible. Still, I have a hard time figuring it at the moment that he discovered them. If I had discovered him with that boy, I would have been shocked, and I probably would have asked what they were doing–what was wrong. At a minimum, I would have interrupted them… It sounds like McQueary just walked away.

  74. RMS November 9th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Okay, let me tell you what I think allowed McQueary make the decision he did. Graduate assistant to one of the most powerful men in football – Paterno. A kid who wanted a future in football. Told Paterno. Told Curley and Schultz. Was told they would take care of it and he didn’t need to do anything further. Thought that if he took it further on his own, he would be totally ostracized by the entire state – so it seems – that refused to do anything to compromise the football program at Penn State. He was 28. Do I condone that he did nothing further? No. Can I imagine reasons he didn’t? Absolutely.
    ————————————————————————————————–
    He was a coward. He was 28 and the boy was 10 and defenseless. He should have at least taken the boy out of there.

  75. TheStraw November 9th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    So JoePa, who did report the allegations to his superior gets fired, but McQueary, who witnessed the allegations personally and who made a far more egregious omission of action gets to keep his job?

    Don’t tell me that the Trustees didn’t want a fall guy here…..

  76. Ghostwriter November 9th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Joe from Long Island November 9th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Ghostwriter- yes, there are a lot of similarities with the Church scandal. Both cases, many people had the chance to do the right thing.

    And, they each demonstrate the sin of arrogance. Arrogance in thinking they could cover up a scandal. All in the name of saving their brand and their way of doing business.

    They think that by firing Paterno and Spanier they can put a stop to the bad publicity. Another cover up. Another example of institutional arrogance.
    ============

    This isn’t arrogance; they are amputating a gangrenous limb to stop the spread of the infection and protect the body. PSU will recover from this, as it should.

  77. Nick in SF November 9th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Jorge broke this story:

    Reporter: “Jorge, is there any way Joe Paterno can be on the sidelines this Saturday?”

    Posada: “It’s not going to happen.”

  78. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Straw – this is only the beginning. We don’t know how many other heads will roll when the investigations are completed. They are going to want to clean out the entire stench before all is said and done.

    You all do know, I’m sure that Sandusky and the boy both saw that McQueary saw them.

    Seriously it would have been a total joke if McQueary got canned when he was the one who spilled everything in the first place and Paterno, who on a scale of one to a million was a trillion in terms of influence and importance to McQueary’s one, got to keep his job.

    Business decisions are being made right now. In the immediate, those who need to believe in Penn State need to see the top heads chopped off, not the head of a flippin’ grad student who was the one who reported it in the first place! Talk about ludicrous.

  79. Joe from Long Island November 9th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Trisha, this isn’t solely about Paterno and Spanier. I really think that that Board knew about Sandusky, and for a very long time. I think they tolerated it because of fear it would tarnish their brand and their income for the past many years. And the only reason the Board is doing anything now is because they are forced.

    Listen to the vice chair of the Board, on ESPN. He’s not answering half the questions, he won’t address what the Bosrd knew, he’s denying everything at the Board level, and speaks as if PSU is like one of those banks that “is too big tto fail”.

    The whole Board should resign – and be investigated.

  80. Ghostwriter November 9th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    Joe from Long Island November 9th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    The whole Board should resign – and be investigated.
    ==========

    Yep.

  81. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    “This isn’t arrogance; they are amputating a gangrenous limb to stop the spread of the infection and protect the body. PSU will recover from this, as it should.”

    Absolutely.

    Ghost, with total love for the people involved here and respect for their decisions more often than not, I have to say that it has to be a football obssession with Joe Paterno that would not allow them rational thought at this point in time. That or a failure to have read the grand jury report.

    If they honestly asked themselves if it happened to their sons, brothers, etc. would they be holding McQueary responsible and wanting Paterno to coach Saturday, I refuse to believe the answer would be yes. It’s easy to keep hero worshipping someone and missing the fact that even heroes can make fatal mistakes. And they have to pay for those mistakes.

  82. Joe from Long Island November 9th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    I have to get up in the am. Good night. Wish it was on better thoughts….

  83. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Joe-

    Apparently the grand jury investigation has been going on for 3 years. If true, and nobody else knew, it was a well kept secret.

  84. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    Out of here also. Goodnight all.

  85. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    “The whole Board should resign – and be investigated.”

    While that may be the case, and while some of it may actually happen, it doesn’t obviate the fact that Patero and Spanier had to go.

  86. TheStraw November 9th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    When a man devotes sixty plus years to an institution and has brought in countless dollars and shaped the lives of many young men positively is made a scapegoat for a far reaching institutional problem, it is sad. Paterno was not the man who molested these boys……the least the university could have done was let him leave with a shred of dignity. At any institution, any such allegation would be immediately reported to the AD. The university is simply trying to save face……there are probably 20 different admistrators on that campus who could be accused of omission.

    Joe tried to leave with dignity….the Board robbed him of that chance.

  87. Ghostwriter November 9th, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    “This isn’t arrogance; they are amputating a gangrenous limb to stop the spread of the infection and protect the body. PSU will recover from this, as it should.”

    Absolutely.

    Ghost, with total love for the people involved here and respect for their decisions more often than not, I have to say that it has to be a football obssession with Joe Paterno that would not allow them rational thought at this point in time. That or a failure to have read the grand jury report.

    If they honestly asked themselves if it happened to their sons, brothers, etc. would they be holding McQueary responsible and wanting Paterno to coach Saturday, I refuse to believe the answer would be yes. It’s easy to keep hero worshipping someone and missing the fact that even heroes can make fatal mistakes. And they have to pay for those mistakes.
    =========

    They’re in denial. They just found out that their hero has feet of clay, and it hurts. I can sympathize with them; I feel a sense of loss as well. This is like finding out that there isn’t a Santa Claus.

  88. pat November 9th, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    “I really think that that Board knew about Sandusky, and for a very long time.”

    Considering Governor Corbett was the AG during the Sandusky investigation and he appointed the AG who replaced him who was who called for the Grand Jury and since he’s a member of the PSU board because it is a state university, I would say at least one them knew about everything for awhile now.

  89. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    The man abidcated the most important responsibility to youth that he possibly could have, so his 60 years ends up with quite a taint.

    Paterno should have resigned without the board having to force him out. That was his bad.

  90. Ghostwriter November 9th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    TheStraw November 9th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    When a man devotes sixty plus years to an institution and has brought in countless dollars and shaped the lives of many young men positively is made a scapegoat for a far reaching institutional problem, it is sad. Paterno was not the man who molested these boys……the least the university could have done was let him leave with a shred of dignity. At any institution, any such allegation would be immediately reported to the AD. The university is simply trying to save face……there are probably 20 different admistrators on that campus who could be accused of omission.

    Joe tried to leave with dignity….the Board robbed him of that chance.
    =================

    They robbed him of nothing; he did it to himself. He could have dealt with it ten years ago, but he didn’t. He had a second chance this morning, and he blew it. He should have resigned this morning, and issued a full and complete apology for his failure to act. Instead he issued a self-serving statement, and informed the public of his plans to retire, as if he was doing us a favor.

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    Joe gave up his dignity when he was told that Sandusky was caught having anal sex with a young boy in the athletic department shower and Paterno did nothing more than teling someone else about it and stuck around to see Sandusky continue to bring young boys onto the facility.

    I think it’s entirely painful to see Paterno fired. Too bad his attorney son didn’t tell him to resign immediately, saying that he felt his presence would be too much of a distraction at this point.

  92. TheStraw November 9th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Trevor Matich is right on target…JoePa will now be perceived to be complicit in a criminal act when there is not yet evidence to back that up….

    And the way they choose to let a man go after 60 years is with a phone call….I find that treatment to be aborrhent even if their decision was absolute.

  93. UnKnown November 9th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Groups of idiot students start protesting and chanting outside and next thing you know its the “cool” thing to do. Then they all feel like they have to do it.

    Most of these students probably have no clue the reality of how very severe this issue is.

    Go back to the dorms and go to sleep. You tools got class in the morning.

  94. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    Unknown – bingo.

  95. Ghostwriter November 9th, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    I, for one, am getting really sick of non-apology apologies, and self-serving statements in which people”take responsibility” for what they did wrong, rather than just saying that they were wrong, and apologizing. It ain’t that hard to do; it just takes a little humility.

  96. Clare November 9th, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    I really believe that before anyone defends JoePa, or calls him a scapegoat, they need to read the entire Grand Jury indictment.

  97. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    “And the way they choose to let a man go after 60 years is with a phone call….I find that treatment to be aborrhent even if their decision was absolute.”

    Straw – enormous press presence around the trustees? Too much of a chance to speculate if they see Paterno going to meet with the trustees?

  98. RMS November 9th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Paterno should have resigned without the board having to force him out. That was his bad.

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    Right on, trisha. He was too arrogant to resign.

  99. TheStraw November 9th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Trisha-

    You know I have great respect for you and opinions…but I respectfully disagree with you on this one. He told his immediate superior officer with assumedly the understanding that the authorities would be contacted by his boss. This chain of command is followed in many organizations. To say that Joe is responsible for more without somehow knowing all the facts, is in my opinion both unfair and legally incorrect.

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    Clare – right on the money. If you don’t bother reading the GJ report, you really shouldn’t even comment on the topic.

  101. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    Straw – read the GJ report about the entire scenario, and after you do, see if your view is the same as it is now.

  102. TheStraw November 9th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    RMS-

    Except that he did resign…the board just was unwilling to let America see a public show of support for him on television. What would three more games have really mattered in light of all that has really happened.

  103. Ghostwriter November 9th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    straw,

    Nobody is talking about Paterno’s legal complicity or charging him with anything. Paterno’s failure here is moral, not legal.

  104. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    Straw – and I respect your opinion the same way, I think you know that.

    But when you talk about chain of command, the reality is that Paterno was probably more powerful than the president of the university.

  105. TheStraw November 9th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    What is in the report regarding Pterno other than what is being reported? I will read it when I get a chance….what other evidence of omission is there regarding Joe?

  106. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    “What would three more games have really mattered in light of all that has really happened.”

    Have you listened to the outrage everywhere? Have you listened to former Penn State players who love the guy but are able to separate out that love from what they feel he should have done?

    Three games, in light of the grand jury report, would have screamed total disregard for now 20 disadvantaged young boys whose lives have been ruined forever.

  107. Clare November 9th, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    TheStraw,

    Even if you buy the “chain of command” argument, JoePa was at the top of the de facto chain of commend at Penn State. It was his program, and his responsibility once McQueary came to him.

    But I think the “chain of command” is a red herring. Chain of command is what allows institutions to protect themselves, rather than children being molested. Every single individual in the so-called chain of command had a moral, and explicit legal duty to report suspected child molestation, and everyone involved failed. They all need to lose their jobs and potentially face criminal charges.

  108. TheStraw November 9th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    My problem is that all the attention is now on Joe’s behavior instead of that animal Sandusky….

  109. RMS November 9th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    McQueary should also be fired. If he had a 10 year old little brother and he walked in on him being raped, do you think he would have turned around and left?

  110. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    Straw, it’s a 23-page report, and it’s an eye opener. As an aside, there is an absolute obligation for higher education institutions to report all incidents of sexual abuse and other criminal conduct to the federal DOE, and a report is disseminated annually so that parents and prospective students can see whether they feel comfortable with the crime rate on the campus.

    A university official sexually molested a young boy in the shower and it was never reported anywhere outside of the institution. Paterno knew it didn’t go any further. Do you REALLY believe he didn’t follow up on it to see what was going to happen?

  111. Clare November 9th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    RMS, I completely agree.

  112. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    Straw – Sandusky’s life is over. There is little matter about the court of public opinion because the demonic slime is going on trial for what he did.

  113. TheStraw November 9th, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    Clare-

    The athletic director is superior to the football coach at every University. The President is superior to the AD and the Board to the President. Charging one with a crime of omission is difficult legally. To do it morally may be easier, but I would like to see more evidence of malice or recklessness in the omission.

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    RMS, I think you will see McQueary resign if he isn’t terminated. But not everything is going to happen on November 9th. Since a fish stinks from the head down, they lopped off the head. There’s plenty of time to filet the rest. Trust it’s a matter of time.

  115. RMS November 9th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Straw – Sandusky’s life is over. There is little matter about the court of public opinion because the demonic slime is going on trial for what he did.

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    Hope he gets a taste of what he did to those little boys when he gets to prison. Happy showering, pervert.

  116. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    Straw – PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. Read the GJ report. It’s really not fair to force people into a conversation where you have such strong opinions without knowing all of the facts out there. It’s impossible for anyone to condense everything in 23 pages for you.

    Once you’ve done that, if you feel the same, then stand up for those beliefs.

    Here’s a PS for you though. In any court of law, the fact that a person in actuality had much more power than her or his title would indicate will take the day every time. Nobody is going to look at some generic organizational chart and make decisions in that kind of vacuum. Paterno was more powerful than the president. That would automatically be taken into consideration. To do otherwise would make it more of a sham than it is. (That is if something ended up in court)

  117. TheStraw November 9th, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    RMS-

    He be lucky to be allowed to live……they’ll have to put him in solitary for his own protection.

  118. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    RMS – I always hear that the two crimes that prisoners do not tolerate are wife battering and child abuse. Sandusky is not going to be a popular prisoner.

  119. Nick in SF November 9th, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    “Paterno was not the man who molested these boys……the least the university could have done was let him leave with a shred of dignity.”

    I know that’s just a figure of speech, but one could argue that the university doing the least it could do is what’s led us to this moment. Paterno could have resigned immediately if he wanted to control how much dignity was attached to the end of his era at PSU.

    Ugh, I was trying to avoid this discussion.

    Bring me Yu Darvish!

  120. Clare November 9th, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    TheStraw,

    I said “de Facto” head of the chain. The AD and President may have nominally been his superiors, but because this was JoePa, not any other football coach, he had the most power of anyone on campus. I believe he just brushed off attempts to fire in in 04.

  121. Clare November 9th, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Trisha,

    You and I are totally on the same page here. 2 or 3 times now I’ve posted something only to see that you’ve already made my point. :)

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Clare – absolute fact.

    “Paterno could have resigned immediately if he wanted to control how much dignity was attached to the end of his era at PSU, .”

    Nick, it’s hard to disagree with that position.

  123. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    Clare – :)

    And if I have to tell you that I consider myself in very good company when we are on the same page because I have always had great respect for your positions on everything upon which you opine. Fact.

  124. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 10th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Time to switch off SportCenter and watched DVRd Survivor. It will help me to be less “overstimulated” when I try to sleep tonight.

    As sad as the situation is, I take such heart in watching the universality of moral outrage across the country. It gives me hope for humanity.

  125. 4 NYY November 10th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Paterno, as well as everyone else involved, never reported this to the police. All will be sued and deservedly so. Would they ( he ) have behaved the same way if it were their child or grandchild ? Don’t think so !

  126. GreenBeret7 November 10th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Hector Noesi pitched tonight

    6 innings, 3 hits, 0 runs, 1 walk, 4 strikeouts

    11 groundouts, 1 flyout

    1.66 ERA, 31 record

  127. LGY November 10th, 2011 at 12:01 am

    No way Mcqueary survives this. This is just the first shoe to drop.

  128. TheStraw November 10th, 2011 at 12:01 am

    Ok , I just read quickly through the GJ report, an now I am even more convinced ( and I do have a JD so I think I know how to read one of these) that there is essentially no evidence against JoePa. Whether or not he “morally” should have done more is an open question…we don’t know the extent of what he knew and didn’t know… but he met with both the AD and Schulz, the VP of finance and asked that the allegations be looked into and reported.

  129. GreenBeret7 November 10th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    3-1 win loss record

  130. pat November 10th, 2011 at 12:05 am

    Joe Pa came out of the house and addressed the students there, “you guys are up late. Go get a good nights sleep. Study” He then went inside and shut the porch light.

  131. UnKnown November 10th, 2011 at 12:05 am

    ESPN reporting that the scene is beginning to turn into a less peaceful scene.

    My guess is this is going to lead to a lot of arrests. Get the tear gas out.

  132. Against All Odds November 10th, 2011 at 12:06 am

    # LGY November 10th, 2011 at 12:01 am

    No way Mcqueary survives this. This is just the first shoe to drop.

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    Everyone on the staff will probably be gone when it’s all said and done.

  133. LGY November 10th, 2011 at 12:08 am

    @SIDavidEpstein: Penn state students just flipped a news satellite truck

  134. pat November 10th, 2011 at 12:08 am

    Meanwhile on another part of campus, students just flipped a news satelite truck.

  135. GreenBeret7 November 10th, 2011 at 12:09 am

    Melky Mesa was 2-5 with a 2 run triple. Also a throwing error

  136. UnKnown November 10th, 2011 at 12:09 am

    JoPa, “It looks like I am out of it now, maybe.”

    I don’t think there is a “maybe” about it Joe.

  137. m November 10th, 2011 at 12:12 am

    Thanks, GB7.

    Noesi looking good in winter league.

    Definitely wants to grab a rotation spot.

  138. TheStraw November 10th, 2011 at 12:12 am

    Joe was never apprised of a sodomous act……

  139. GreenBeret7 November 10th, 2011 at 12:14 am

    My pleasure, M.

  140. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 10th, 2011 at 12:14 am

    Straw, the grand jury stated they found McQueary credible. McQueary reported what he saw (and if you read the grand jury report, he indicated that he walked in and heard a slapping sound that sounded like sexual activity and walked into the shower area and saw Sandusky performing anal sex on a young boy). He told the grand jury that he met with Paterno the next day at Paterno’s house and told Paterno “what he saw”.

    He didn’t say he told Paterno that he thought something untoward might have been happening, he didn’t say he told Paterno that he suspected Sandusky might be doing something inappropriate with a young boy, he said he told Paterno “what he saw”. And since he reported to the grand jury “what he saw”, there isn’t a lot of interpreting necessary.

  141. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 10th, 2011 at 12:15 am

    “Joe was never apprised of a sodomous act……”

    You read much too quickly. That is not correct.

  142. LGY November 10th, 2011 at 12:19 am

    If you watched the embarrassing display by local media members at the press conference and think Paterno doesn’t know everything that goes on at that campus, I don’t know what to tell you

  143. m November 10th, 2011 at 12:19 am

    Pretty much sure that McCreary told JoePa what he saw.

    Paterno (as the highest paid employee in PA?) should have made sure that Sandusky had no access to the campus or any of their students.

    But the university is the most culpable party outside Sandusky. It should have been reported to the authorities. They should have barred Sandusky from the campus. Someone needed to stand up and prevent future acts because predators can’t and won’t stop what they’re doing.

  144. Clare November 10th, 2011 at 12:20 am

    Trisha, thanks so much.

    TheStraw, according to the Grand Jury report, JoePa ADMITS to being told that McQueary saw Sandusky fondling, and something of a sexual nature in the shower. Even if that’s all he was told (and I don’t believe it, plus the grand jury found McQueary credible) just what type of fondling or sexual encounter do you think justifies the fact that Paterno did nothing other than kicking it upstairs?

    The country now knows that Joe P knew his assistant coach at least fondled a young boy in the shower in 2002, and did nothing, personally, to protect that victim, or other victims in the decade since, from abuse. If you were his boss, would you want him representing your company for a single minute more?

  145. TheStraw November 10th, 2011 at 12:21 am

    Paterno was told there was inappropriate touching, wrestling and horsing around at the time….bad enough, but Paterno’s camp has made it clear that he only learned the true extent when reading the GJ report himself, and was then sickened that he hadn’t known or done more…he did not tell Paterno that sodomous acts were engaged in…Pattern was not present at the subsequent meeting where more details were revealed..

    I’m not saying he should keep coaching beyond this season..but I think in light of the ongoing investigation and lack of full facts, he could have been allowed to finish and the whole thing would have ended much more peacefully.

  146. LGY November 10th, 2011 at 12:24 am

    Unfortunately it seems this is just the beginning :(

    @SPORTSbyBROOKS: I can confirm there will soon be new, major allegation involving child sex abuse in Sandusky case. Told tonite it could come before Saturday

    @SPORTSbyBROOKS: If what I was told tonight about the details of the new allegation in Sandusky child sex case is true, it will horrify the public.

  147. Clare November 10th, 2011 at 12:24 am

    The Straw, your first sentence is incorrect. The Grand Jury report says:

    “Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant’s report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley (“Curley”), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno’s immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”

  148. yanks 27 November 10th, 2011 at 12:25 am

    Paterno was a scapegoat – plain and simple.

    Good luck to the University Police trying to control the rapid students.

  149. TheStraw November 10th, 2011 at 12:27 am

    Clare-

    I think you have to measure the full contribution of an employee by taking into account both their best and worst actions…..I think in Joe’s case that earned him at least one more month of employment after sixty years. We had an employee who stole from us in his twenties, apologized and continued to work for us for another fifty-five years. The easy solution and the “politically correct” one is not always the best. Just my opinion, I can certainly understand those who don’t feel that way.

  150. Clare November 10th, 2011 at 12:27 am

    LGY,

    You know the Grand Jury report is only the tip of the iceberg. Sandusky started the Second Mile foundation in 1977, and continued to run football camps on Penn State’s campus up to 2 years ago. I’m sure there are many, many more victims out there. Which is why there’s so much outrage about the fact that so many people knew about this a decade ago.

  151. Eroc November 10th, 2011 at 12:28 am

    There are riots in state college and none of the “news” agencies – CNN, FOX News, MSNBC, have any coverage of it – busy replying programming from this evening.

    Give credit to ESPN for covering a major event while the other networks are asleep at the wheel. Yeah, some Piers Morgan interview with a no-name is more important than this…

  152. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 10th, 2011 at 12:29 am

    “he did not tell Paterno that sodomous acts were engaged in”

    McQueary said he did. What Paterno told the grand jury may have been different from what McQueary told the grand jury. As Clare stated, the grand jury found McQueary credible. As an attorney you surely know the import of that statement. If this grand jury investigation has been going on for three years, they have heard more testimony than they probably would want to hear in five lifetimes.

    They assessed McQueary to be credible. McQueary said he told Paterno – and the two other amoral aholes – what he saw. If you want to put your opinion over that of the grand jury that did the investigating, I guess you can feel free to do so.

  153. TheStraw November 10th, 2011 at 12:30 am

    Clare-

    Your statement is not inconsistent with what I wrote about the Paterno camps account of the situation. But he was not told of any sodomy.

  154. UnKnown November 10th, 2011 at 12:30 am

    Kim on WFAN reporting live. I like getting her take on this.

  155. Clare November 10th, 2011 at 12:31 am

    TheStraw,
    I’m sure you’re not trying to draw a parallel between theft and child rape. I don’t think anyone is discounting JoePa’s “full contribution”, I just think that his worse actions were so outrageous, that it completely outweighs his best actions. What do football victories matter when compared against the decade of abuse that children suffered because JoePa, and many other Penn State officials, failed to act properly in 2002?

  156. 4time November 10th, 2011 at 12:31 am

    This could have all been avoided if they let the guy coach his final game. Penn State can’t even fire a guy right. An ESPN reporter got hit by a rock… great job, Penn State. They will never live this down

  157. Against All Odds November 10th, 2011 at 12:32 am

    @SPORTSbyBROOKS: If what I was told tonight about the details of the new allegation in Sandusky child sex case is true, it will horrify the public.

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    OMG what could be worse than what we have already heard.

  158. Clare November 10th, 2011 at 12:33 am

    TheStraw,

    Fondling and doing something of a sexual nature ARE inconsistent with wrestling and horsing around. Surely you see that.

  159. m November 10th, 2011 at 12:33 am

    Not being told of the worst act is weak. Just like you can’t be a little pregnant, you can’t just do a little molesting. Doesn’t matter to what degree, the fact that it occurred, and that it occurred on the school premises made the school and people in the chain of command’s responsibility.

    The fact that he was even in a shower with a 10 year old should have been enough.

  160. Against All Odds November 10th, 2011 at 12:34 am

    4time November 10th, 2011 at 12:31 am

    This could have all been avoided if they let the guy coach his final game. Penn State can’t even fire a guy right

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    They were not going to let him run out with the team on Saturday no way was that going to happen

  161. Yank1 November 10th, 2011 at 12:34 am

    “OMG what could be worse than what we have already heard.”

    Remember… the DA in this case back in 2005 mysteriously disappeared. They found his laptop at a bottom of the river with the hard drive missing.

  162. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 10th, 2011 at 12:35 am

    “I think you have to measure the full contribution of an employee by taking into account both their best and worst actions…..I think in Joe’s case that earned him at least one more month of employment after sixty years”

    Joe Paterno isn’t bigger than Penn State. You keep forgetting that. Joe Paterno is one of the reasons that Penn State is in a total state of disarray and disgrace – and in big trouble with the feds. His 60 years have gone up in smoke. He is nothing now but just another citizen walking the streets. What happens to Paterno is of small matter compared to the future of Penn State. The trustees would have been culpable beyond belief if they kept worshipping at the throne of Paterno in light of the outrage in the country over what has happened to the lives of at least 20 disadvantaged boys. They need to worry about PENN STATE right now and not Joe Paterno. It’s really that simple.

  163. Against All Odds November 10th, 2011 at 12:38 am

    # Yank1 November 10th, 2011 at 12:34 am

    “OMG what could be worse than what we have already heard.”

    Remember… the DA in this case back in 2005 mysteriously disappeared. They found his laptop at a bottom of the river with the hard drive missing.

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    Not good to speculate but if you add murder on top of this smh not good at all.

  164. TheStraw November 10th, 2011 at 12:38 am

    Trisha-

    Joe wpuld have no way of knowing what McQueary told the GJ…the interpretation of “told Paterno what he saw” is subjective. I’m sure that if Joe knew more, his attorneys wpuld have advised him to do more…he unfortunately was just insulated enough to be not know or do any more…clearly a mistake of judgment. It is a shame….again, Joe is not the monster here.

  165. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 10th, 2011 at 12:41 am

    Straw insists of ignoring what the grand jury reported. He chooses to believe Paterno’s version. That of course is his right. But it makes it impossible to debate the issue since he is not on the same page as those of us who are trying to present a case based on what is in the grand jury report.

    Straw, it doesn’t matter how many times you post that Paterno didn’t know about the anal intercourse. McQueary said he told him what he saw. McQueary told the grand jury “what he saw”. I find it odd that you have a JD and are willing to read what you want into all of this. At least I’m respecting the findings of the grand jury who sat and listened to ALL OF THE INFORMATION.

    Hero worshipping Paterno is causing a lot of distress to those who perhaps otherwise would see the damage he caused by turning a blind eye – which is what in essence we all know (or most of us seem to know) that he did.

    The good news is that the trustees did the right thing by Penn State – and by the victims. This is just the begining.

  166. UnKnown November 10th, 2011 at 12:41 am

    These random students on ESPN getting interviewed are nuts. Completely delusional.

  167. TheStraw November 10th, 2011 at 12:42 am

    Trisha-

    Sorry. This is the politically correct decision, not the right one….and the Trustees who were trying to save themselves bad publicity will now get it in the form of student riots.

  168. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 10th, 2011 at 12:43 am

    Joe is one of the monsters here. If it was his son being sexually fondled, Joe would have found his voice quickly.

    Night all.

  169. ET November 10th, 2011 at 12:43 am

    ESPN has done a great job covering this. None of the news agencies are anywhere to be found. They can send unarmed journalists to Egypt and Libya, but not to cover some drunk college kids…

  170. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 10th, 2011 at 12:44 am

    “and the Trustees who were trying to save themselves bad publicity will now get it in the form of student riots.”

    :lol:

    Yes, and I’m sure the public will believe that student riots should be enough of a reason not to do the right thing.

    Seriously, later.

  171. waka flocka November 10th, 2011 at 12:45 am

    it’s totally insane to me that the hero worship of Paterno is taking away from the stone cold facts. some of you are nuts

  172. m November 10th, 2011 at 12:47 am

    It’s a sad statement when students are rioting over Paterno’s dismissal, yet they won’t wave a sign for the victims.

  173. yanks 27 November 10th, 2011 at 12:49 am

    Paterno is one of the most likeable coaches of all-time. He is soft-spoken and grandfatherly, that is where the support comes from

    If this were Saban, Kiffin, Harbaugh, Miles, Spurrier, Meyer, etc. there would be no riots.

  174. TheStraw November 10th, 2011 at 12:51 am

    The Grand jury indictment is of Sandusky, not Paterno…mcQueary told him what he saw…we don’t know what that was that he was told. McQueary then told the GJ what he told Paterno some six years later in more detail. I am not ignoring what the GJ reported about Sandusky or Joe. But these statements are subject to interpretation.

    The case you are trying to present is that Joe is bigger than Penn State so he should have acted accordingly. But he should be afforded the same due process of law that others get. We don’t have all the facts here. The trustees could simply have said that they were still gathering facts and would make a decision as soon as was expedient. They figured their actions tonight would close the ace in the court of public opinion. At the moment, that may be an incorrect assumption.

    He did not cause the damage. Sandusky did.

  175. UnKnown November 10th, 2011 at 12:52 am

    RT @aplusk How do you fire Jo Pa? #insult #noclass as a hawkeye fan I find it in poor taste

    —-

    Looks like Ashton Kutcher just got news that Jo Pa got fired without really knowing the reason why. Must have been living under a rock the last few days. Now he is feverishly admitting his oblivious tweet to what the real reason of the firing is.

  176. Eroc November 10th, 2011 at 12:52 am

    sportsJC16
    The beatdown @CNN is giving @ESPN on its coverage tonight is akin to Tyson knocking out Spinks. They are wiping the floor with them.

    —————————–

    The same CNN that has been re-playing an old episode of Piers Morgan for the last hour during the height of the riots?

  177. Against All Odds November 10th, 2011 at 12:55 am

    SMH he thought it was for football reasons

  178. TheStraw November 10th, 2011 at 12:57 am

    Trisha-

    You are correct on an emotional level…and if it was my son, I would’ve killed Sandusky with my bare hands…but the situation is far more complex than a simple knee jerk reaction that Joe is as guilty as the rapist.

    I think it O’s all of you who are ignoring the facts. All of the facts, as they were known at the time and are known now. To say it is hero worship is insulting to me. I could care less about Joe Paterno personally. But I know a railroad job when I see it.

  179. 4time November 10th, 2011 at 1:01 am

    Why not fire Paterno during the day when all the kids are in class? They decide to do it at 11 PM?

    The school handled the logistics of their exit strategy as badly as they did the case overall.

  180. m November 10th, 2011 at 2:01 am

    http://espn.go.com/los-angeles.....ource-says

    Dodgers can’t sign anyone until they’re sold. Kemp won’t be traded any time soon. He’s one of their few assets.

  181. NYYanksFan November 10th, 2011 at 2:38 am

    “Straw insists of ignoring what the grand jury reported. He chooses to believe Paterno’s version”

    The grand jury believed Paterno’s version or at least had no credible proof that he was misrepresenting facts. because they didn’t charge him with perjury like they did Curley and Schultz.

    Trisha is ignoring what the grand jury said, not Straw.

  182. blake November 10th, 2011 at 7:21 am

    Wonder how many parents in Pennsylvania and elsewhere have decided this morning that their kids wont be attending Penn State in the future?

  183. blake November 10th, 2011 at 7:24 am

    Mike and mike just had on a player that was at penn state in the mid 2000s and he admitted that Sandusky was around the team frequently.

  184. upstate kate November 10th, 2011 at 7:28 am

    There had to be a lot of covering up over the years. So much is focused on that one incident, but that is just the tip of the iceberg. I am done w/ trying to decide who should have done what. There is plenty of blame to go around. My thoughts and prayers are w/ the victims. Why weren’t the students rioting at Sandusky’s house?

  185. blake November 10th, 2011 at 7:28 am

    rafaelrojasc 12 mins Kathe Vilera, Tigres de Aragua, tweets: “No news on Wilson Ramos yet, kidnappers have not communicated. Law enforcement’s on the case” by SI_JonHeyman

  186. blake November 10th, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Is Sandusky still out on bail?

  187. upstate kate November 10th, 2011 at 7:30 am

    I understood that he was out on $10,000 bail.

  188. blake November 10th, 2011 at 7:32 am

    When is his trial?

  189. upstate kate November 10th, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Hopefully the Wilson Ramos situation is resolved quickly.

    I heard a LoMo interview on my drive to work this am. They informed him of the kidnapping. He did not know and was obviously shaken.

  190. blake November 10th, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Penn state players were doing charity work with Sandusky after 2002…..the president, board, and Paterno allowed that after knowing the allegations against him.

  191. upstate kate November 10th, 2011 at 7:35 am

    I think (and could be misremembering) that they postponed it to Dec 7, in light of more victims coming forward.

  192. blake November 10th, 2011 at 7:37 am

    Isn’t there a missing person involved in this as well? What a web

  193. upstate kate November 10th, 2011 at 7:40 am

    yes, the DA (?) who declined to prosecute

  194. Ghostwriter November 10th, 2011 at 7:41 am

    4time November 10th, 2011 at 1:01 am

    Why not fire Paterno during the day when all the kids are in class? They decide to do it at 11 PM?

    The school handled the logistics of their exit strategy as badly as they did the case overall.

    ====
    Perhaps. However, this situation was pretty much guaranteed to go down ugly once Paterno tried to finish the season. That’s why Paterno should have submitted his resignation effective immediately to the board yesterday, without forcing their hand.

    The sad part is that Paterno probably thought (or convinced himself) that he was doing the right thing by not abandoning his players in the middle of the season. It was this kind of reasoning that probably kept him from pushing harder on the Sandusky issue in the first place. He was wrong on both counts.

  195. 108 stitches November 10th, 2011 at 7:58 am

    College sports is BIG business between TV revenues and bookmaking. Penn State stands to lose a bundle.
    Generally incidents like this spread like wildfire. There’s some nervous schools out there with hidden issues wondering who will feel the pressure within and speak out from their conscience getting the best of them.

  196. blake November 10th, 2011 at 8:16 am

    I still wonder how many members of the Board of Trustees knew as much or more than Paterno did.

  197. Joe from Long Island November 10th, 2011 at 8:22 am

    morning, blake –

    this is some story.

    i bet a lot of trustees knew something. i am shocked by how relatively common knowledge of “jerry being jerry” was, given the stories in the local media that were coming out. an interview with a couple of “graduates” of that charity program were saying that all the kids knew that this guy was ‘strange”, or “weird”.

    this wasn’t a gofer we’re talking about. this was someone who, for a time, was in line to be paterno’s successor, the guardian of a big cash-cow.

    i wouldn’t be at all surprised, and i’m expecting, more to come out.

  198. MTU November 10th, 2011 at 8:25 am

    I hope that each and every person who had knowledge of these incidents and looked the other way is punished to the full extent of the law.

    In addition, I would like the following to happen:

    1 For the Fathers and Brothers of the victims to be locked up alone in a room with Sandusky for as long as it takes.

    2 That when Sandusky gets convicted he is not segregated from the rest of the general Prison population.

    Many of those children will never be the same.

    3 Sandusky’s bank account should be drained and put into a fund that pays lifetime compensation to the affected boys and their families.

  199. MTU November 10th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    And finally.

    When you hear about things like this can you doubt, even for a moment, that evil exist in this World.

    :(

  200. Joe from Long Island November 10th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    MTU – oh, if there are lawyers, there will be civil suits. count on it.

    Remember , back in high school, having to read Shakespeare? Remember Julius Caesar?

    I just remembered the soliloquy that Brutus gives, after Caesar’s assassination. You know, the “Friends, Romans, and countrymen…..” one.

    Shakespeare writes of “the evil that men do lives long after them, while the good is oft interred with their bones. So let it be with Caesar”.

    And, referring to the Senators who, when it suited their needs, stood in line to stab him to death – how the Senators all said that Caesar had to go, for various misdeeds – “And, sure, these are all honorable men…..So are they all – all honorable men….”

    I’m sure that Board of Trustees is full of “honorable men”.

  201. MTU November 10th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    edit: exists. sorry.

  202. blake November 10th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Joe,

    Good morning. Its a mess. I agree…probably the tip of the iceberg.

  203. blake November 10th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    I like MTU justice……we should make you king.

  204. MTU November 10th, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Joe-

    Like I said. ALL those who had knowledge and did nothing to stop this horror.

    Every single one of them who didn’t even lift a finger to those children.

  205. Villa Nova-Ya November 10th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Joe from Long Island -

    Nothing every really changes, does it?

    :(

  206. MTU November 10th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Bake-

    I’m sure frontier justice would be a lot worse.

    I would like to have the privledge of driving those Fathers and brothers over to the site and locking them in with Sandusky.

    If he dies right there that’s fine. If he survives he gets to face inmates who don’t like pedophiles.

  207. Bronx Jeers November 10th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Castration is always what comes to my mind when I think about pedophiles.

  208. blake November 10th, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Dodgers and Kemp talking extension.

    MLBTR

    noooooo! Can’t imagine the Dodgers coukd do that now though until they get their ownership situations straightened out.

  209. MTU November 10th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Got to go.

    Catch you all later.

  210. blake November 10th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    SI_JonHeyman 6 mins if posada decides to play, i’m thinking orioles or marlins. but i hope he retires. great career. terrific guy.

  211. Bret The Hitman November 10th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Toldya Blake.

    Eliminate Kemp and Fielder starts looking pretty good.

  212. disco stu November 10th, 2011 at 8:55 am

    I don’t know if anyone else has made reference to this, but while Jerry Sandusky is married he never fathered any children with his wife.

    Insted, they adopted 6 children and he has been a foster parent to several others over the years.

    How long will it be before we start hearing news about sexual abuse having taken place with his adopted children (at least 2 sons that I know of) and the foster children?

    This story grows more and more disturbing by the minute.

  213. Villa Nova-Ya November 10th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Fielder doesn’t play RF.

    blake -

    I sure hope it’s not the Orioles!!!

    I would think Jorge would want to go to a contender. Miami Marlins might could be at least in contention in the NL East. But no DH. Some tough decisions for Jorge. I think he’ll retire, but I think it’s more I HOPE he’ll retire.

  214. blake November 10th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Bret,

    I wouldn’t make much of that…..we knew the Dodgers would try to extend him…..

  215. Joe from Long Island November 10th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    guys, got to get to work. have a good one, all.

    later, hopefully with better stuff to talk about.

  216. blake November 10th, 2011 at 8:59 am

    “This story grows more and more disturbing by the minute.”

    10+ years of conspiracies and cover ups to unravel

  217. Erin November 10th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Wow, that Posada stuff is depressing. I’m really going to miss him. If he does decide he wants to play again, good for him, but it’ll be really tough seeing him in another uniform.

  218. Erin November 10th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    New Post: Posada finds familiarity in Williams

    :arrow:

  219. blake November 10th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    The student body at Penn state should be ashamed of themselves this morning……..

    I want to know if John Surma and the board chairman knew about Sandusky……..hope somebody looks into that.


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