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The potentially changing cost of a Type A

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 09, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Last winter, when Brian Cashman was arguing against the Yankees signing Rafael Soriano, part of his opposition had as much to do with Soriano’s status as his arm. Soriano was a Type A free agent, and that meant signing him would cost the Yankees a first-round draft pick, and that was a significant cost.

Yesterday, Buster Olney wrote that one of the current sticking points in the collective bargaining agreement negotiation is about Type A free agents, specifically making sure draft pick compensation doesn’t hurt the players themselves.

It ultimately didn’t hurt Soriano — and this winter it won’t hurt Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder — but some players who carry the Type A label could lose out on money because of it. They could accept arbitration for less than the open market would provide, or they could carry an added cost that brings their free agent value down. Kelly Johnson could be one such case this winter, like Grant Balfour and Juan Cruz were in the past.

According to Olney, the league and the union are discussing two alternatives to the current system.

1. Essentially making Type A free agents into Type B free agents so that they generate only compensation picks.

2. Creating a system that assures a massive payday for any Type A who accepts arbitration.

According to Olney: One of the unresolved questions is whether the Type A adjustments will be made for the 2012 season or for 2013. But there continues to be optimism, in general, that a new labor agreement will be finished sometime in the next two weeks.

An immediate change could obviously impact this winter’s free agent market, and the approach to some of the biggest names available.

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98 Responses to “The potentially changing cost of a Type A”

  1. 108 stitches November 9th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    A team like Boston gets hurt although somebody like Buston Onley and Gammons will disagree. What Boston needs most is to build up their poorly rated farm system and not have to surrender future picks for what [might] amount to a quick fix. They’re a team that better try low cost measures to shore up their poor pitching staff.
    Too many didn’t care to look at their flaws of 2011. ESPN and Fox declared them as the possible ’27 Yankees and fools rushed in.

  2. blake November 9th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Thetrade current system doesn’t hurt the very best players…..but it hurts the 2nd tier guys because nobody wants to give their first round pick.

  3. MTU November 9th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    If they make type A’s into B’s then what happens to the original type B’s ?

    Is that the end of the type B ?

    I think should they allow teams to trade draft picks.

  4. Shame Spencer November 9th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    MTU November 9th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    If they make type A’s into B’s then what happens to the original type B’s ?

    ——————-

    That’s where I’m a lil confused as well, MTU.

  5. GreenBeret7 November 9th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    There won’t be a “Type B”.

  6. GreenBeret7 November 9th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    These fa ntasy camps have to be the greatest things gong. What a blast it would be to sit there and losten to Mickey Rivers telling stories. back in the day (late 70s) nobody on that team was sacred to Mick The Quick, including Munson, Gossage and Hunter. And he saved his best one liners for Reggie Jackson. The only player on that team he didn’t like. Drove Steinbrenner crazy because his wife would always get there ahead of him to pick up his checks so he didn’t blow it on the ponies. He’d always go to George for an advance. Funny guy.

    BryanHoch Bryan Hoch
    The Honorable Mickey Rivers presides at Fantasy Camp.. http://yfrog.com/oe16itj

  7. GreenBeret7 November 9th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    More Potential Cuban Free Agents
    By Tim Dierkes [November 9 at 8:17am CST]
    There’s been plenty of hype this week on Yoenis Cespedes, a Cuban center fielder who defected this summer and could command Aroldis Chapman money or more. But yesterday, MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez provided more interesting names.

    19-year-old outfielder Jorge Soler and 23-year-old right-hander Armando Rivero participated in a showcase at the Yankees’ complex in Boca Chica last week. Like Cespedes, both players are in the process of becoming eligible to play in the United States.

    One year ago, Baseball America’s John Manuel had this to say about Soler: “Soler has a strapping 6-foot-3, 205-pound body, is 18 and has five-tool potential. Soler has bat speed and what one scout called ‘explosive power’ to go with above-average arm strength.” He’s on the Yankees’ radar, according to George A. King III of the New York Post. Sanchez writes that Rivero “features a slider, split-finger fastball, sinker and changeup in his repertoire and reached 98 mph with his fastball in the showcase.” King says he’s viewed as a reliever.

    Sanchez notes that outfielders Henry Urrutia and Gerald Sanchez and lefty Omar Luis all participated in the showcase.

  8. Erin November 9th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    YankeesPR We’re out @hardrock in times square with ny cares coat drive; brian cashman stopping by at 10

  9. Shame Spencer November 9th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    “Soler has a strapping 6-foot-3, 205-pound body, is 18 and has five-tool potential. Soler has bat speed and what one scout called ‘explosive power’ to go with above-average arm strength.”

    That last part is what interests me. I think the one thing our outfield is missing is a strong arm. Was there any word on Cespedes in that area?

  10. CountryClub November 9th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    I think the one thing our outfield is missing is a strong arm. Was there any word on Cespedes in that area?

    ———————

    Take it with a grain of salt, but he supposedly has a gun.

  11. Erin November 9th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    This is great:

    BronXoo BREAKING: My latest scoop RT @RABFeed: Cashman’s Offseason Blueprint Revealed http://rab.me/rC1rsV

  12. CountryClub November 9th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    This was probably mentioned last night, but it’s worth repeating. From RAB:

    Via Joel Sherman, the Yankees had some serious heat watching Cespedes in the Dominican Republic, including pro scouting director Billy Eppler, VP of baseball ops Mark Newman, special assistant Gordon Blakely, and scouts Gary Denbo and Donny Rowand. That doesn’t strike me as a routine scouting trip.

  13. Giuseppe Franco November 9th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Outfielders getting to the ball quickly in addition to making accurate throws kind of makes up for the lack of Clemente or Ichiro cannons.

    Gardner gets a lot of assists and Swisher has improved his throwing the last couple of years.

  14. blake November 9th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    I like outfield arms as much as the next guy…..but im more interested in an outfielder that can hit…..the ultimate tool is and always will be swinging the lumber

  15. CountryClub November 9th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    You can’t have 3 Gardners (hitting wise) in the OF, but you can definitely have 1. His defense is so good that you can more than live with his avg bat and below avg power. My point being, you dont need 3 big bats in outfield if one of them is a real plus on defense.

  16. Baseball Mogul November 9th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    If we have pitchers that keep the other team off the bases, then outfield arms are less important. Cano taking the relay throw makes up for some deficiency there too.

    You want a guy who can hit, but being able to catch the ball also would be ideal. If Cruz could do both Texas would be the champs right now. (And I don’t care if he was hurt- I clearly see O’Neill running that ball down in Atlanta in my mind, and it’s because he could play the outfield…period)

  17. blake November 9th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    CC,

    I agree….but the Yankee outfield is so fundamentally sound right now that it makes up for arm strength. Id rather have range and great fundamentals and accuracy throwing than great arms. They are awesome at relays and as you mention Gardner in particular gets himself in such good positions and gets to balls so quickly that it more than compensates for arm strength. I think they need to be on the lookout for a thunder stick to replace Swisher when his deal is up…..Kemp would be ideal if available but maybe Cespedes could be insurance on that.

  18. tucker November 9th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    This change could be good news for the Yanks. It would give them moremfreedommto pursue good free agents.

    The current free agent compensation system is somewhat of a farce. It aims to restore competitive balance, but teams like the Sox exploit the system to hoard draft picks.

  19. PittsburghYankeeFan November 9th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    I think the Yankees sign Cespedes if he is anything near the hype. Kemp lite, with a year to audition him before Kemp comes on the market.

  20. 86w183 November 9th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Looks like all three Cuban defectors could be had for less than the cost of Darvish or CJ Wilson, which makes sense to me. Less risk and perhaps more reward.

    Baseball Mogul — I was in Atlanta for that O’Neill catch. Helluva play. Helluva game.

  21. blake November 9th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    I wish they could fly some big league pitchers down to the DR and see if Cespedes can hit a curveball before they signed him :)

  22. blake November 9th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Cano is the best I’ve ever seen at relaying the ball as a 2B…..I can’t imagine anybody in history being any better.

  23. austinmac November 9th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    I get excited, as do many, over possible new young talent such as the Cubans. Let’s hope the Yankee scouts evaluate each accurately, and sign the best of the group.

  24. spidanyc November 9th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Yankees offseason agends should be….sign Darvish (legit #2 starter), sign Cespedes to play RF, trade AJ for nothing (eat half his contract) and trade Swisher for a top notch lefty reliever (Thornton).

    Signing guys like Freddy Garcia or Mark Buehrle is not gonna get the Yankees a World Series ring.

  25. charlestonchew November 9th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    This is ridiculous.

    Make Type A’s Type B’s and it starts to hurt Type B’s because they cost the same in draft picks. But then again, they should have played better. And the same goes for those Type A’s who aren’t getting signed or getting big contracts.

    In the end, making a few less million isn’t really hurting anyone. It’s funny how, in a baseball context, this seems like an issue. As soon as one zooms out and sees it in the context of the city, the state, the country, the world, this issue is one of the least important, least disadvantageous things that I could dream up.

  26. Bring in the Goose November 9th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    GB -

    Mickey was my coach at Fantasy Camp a few years ago. Despite the fact the we could all barely understand a word he said, we came to love him quickly. Absolute treat to spend the week with him. The guy is also in tremendous shape – forearms and legs like he’s playing today.

    I took my son to meet him at a cardshow recently and he stood up, gave me a big hug and called me by someone elses name. Classic Mickey. His tales about Reggie are legendary.

  27. Baseball Mogul November 9th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    86,

    Nice. I was half asleep on my couch like I am for every post season game. :/

  28. austinmac November 9th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    The players who really get shafted by compensation are the relievers. For example, Dotel is a Type A. Who would give up a no. 1 pick for him?

    I hope the Yankees are fully protecting their interests in the negotiations with the union. Eliminate Type A draft choice losses and leave the draft and international market alone.

  29. Erin November 9th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    AnthonyMcCarron Cashman: we weren’t in on jonathan sanchez. “Not at all”

  30. blake November 9th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Paterno announced that he will retire at the end of the season.

  31. Erin November 9th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    eboland11 Cashman, speaking at the still going Winter Coat Drive at Hard Rock in TS said “I haven’t had one agent tell me what they want.” Still early

  32. LGY November 9th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    “@Deadspin: Joe Paterno’s Statement: “With The Benefit Of Hindsight, I Wish I Had Done More” http://t.co/a6ejOH0f

  33. blake November 9th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    The draft tax they have been talking about would probably help the Yankees more thannit would hurt them because it would prevent small market reams from paroling over slot…..which they have been doing more and more of.

  34. blake November 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Paterno said the right things in that statement.

  35. Erin November 9th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    CC_Sabathia I’ve been out of the country but heard the great Joe Frazier passed away. RIP Smokin’ Joe.

  36. upstate kate November 9th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    however Blake you said some curious things in yours :)
    auto correct strikes again

  37. blake November 9th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Kate,

    You can decipher my gibberish by now right ;)

  38. DONNYBROOK November 9th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Hal should avoid giving up the draft picks and shell out the $$$ for Darvish. Sure, the Yanks got burned with Igawa and The Fat Toad, but so what? A great hitter fails 7 out of 10 times, great pitchers give up dingers, and GM’s and Mgr’s pull boners all the time. Hell, how many times did Edison fail with the light bulb? NO ONE achieves anything by going into a shell. Hal has gotta show some stones and win the bidding for Darvish. I can live with Buehrle as a #4 Slotter, but he will NOT win the Yanks #28. The guy gave up more hits than IP, and is now primarily an innings eater.

  39. upstate kate November 9th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Blake
    yeah, but they still make me LOL

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    blake and LGY – I think I would have been more impressed if instead of this “My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University.” Paterno ended with this: “My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help the young men whose lives were destroyed by Jerry Sandusky.

    But whatever.

  41. blake November 9th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Trisha,

    Yea I don’t think there was any statement he could have made that turns back the clock…..but he did seem very contrite in those words. Its just a terrible situation all the way around.

  42. blake November 9th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    SI_JonHeyman 43 mins #phillies pr person says they dont respond to “rumors.” meaning my report team ceo isn’t OKing $44M agreement betw gm & madson

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    blake, I do agree that he does seem very contrite. I don’t think that anyone except a pedophile could be unmoved by what happened to those boys, especially a father with sons. I saw one of his former players on Sportscenter (Matt something, grey-haired guy) and he actually broke down and cried when he talked about the abuse part. You may have seen it.

    (As an aside, I should hire out as a professional crier for whenever anyone needs tears at an occasion. All I have to do is see someone else cry and it makes me cry. :roll: )

  44. Erin November 9th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    MarcCarig As expected, the Yankees’ catching depth has drawn interest from potential trade partners.

    MarcCarig Cashman wouldn’t get into specifics about the budget this offseason, only that there is flexibility to stretch if needed.

  45. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    From George King NY Post:

    The Yankees sent head of pro scouting Billy Eppler, minor league boss Mark Newman, director of international scouting Donny Rowland and pro scout Gary Denbo to watch Cespedes.

    Sounds like the big guns sent to watch the second coming of Bo Jackson. :)

  46. Erin November 9th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    MarcCarig “That’s behind him,” Cashman said of Nova and his forearm strain.

    MarcCarig Cashman says the Yankees have asked for medicals for players they have expressed some interest in signing. Says it’s standard procedure.

    MarcCarig Overall, Cashman said he is still working on his initial round of calls to agents and other teams, trying to guage asking prices/interest.

  47. RayVT November 9th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Hi Trisha!

    I feel that JoPa has been a man of integrity for his whole life & now he is paying for other’s actions & inactions.

    He was not a witness to anything. The Grad Asst or his Father should have gone to the police. Also the AD & other PSU Management identified failed.

    While this is horrible stuff, I am sure this isn’t the only thing JoPa had to deal with during his tenure that was needing to be police related. Assaults, rapes, drugs, theft, etc have occurred over the years there.

    There are people who needed to address these issues & it isn’t just one person’s job to do. I am sure he fells horrible about this as anyone would. Who knows what school officials told JoPa or the Grad Asst for that matter. Perhaps they were told it was under investigation by the police. We don’t know.

    JoPa is an easier face to bedevil than the actual pervert Sandusky. JoPa we know! Sandusky, not so much!

  48. Erin November 9th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    MarcCarig Cashman and Girardi have had discussions about who will return to the coaching staff, but he declined to offer details until it’s finalized.

  49. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Cashman wouldn’t get into specifics about the budget this offseason, only that there is flexibility to stretch if needed.
    —————————————–
    Erin-

    From the attached blueprint, that you linked earlier, stolen from Cashman’s letterhead, it doesn’t look like the Yankees have a budget! :)

  50. Erin November 9th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    MarcCarig Also no firm timetable on when Joba will be ready after TJ. “I’ll tell you the summer time and he’ll tell you the spring.”

  51. Erin November 9th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    YT- :)

  52. Erin November 9th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Yay!!!! The elf is back :)

    MarcCarig Gentlemen, start your Photoshops: It appears that Cash will once again be rappelling down a building.

  53. m November 9th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Need to keep track of Heymans “at-bats”. So far he’s 0-for-1 with his “Yankees upset they missed out on Sanchez” plate appearance.

    BTW, thanks for the link to Cashman’s off-season plan. Sounds like a lot of stuff we see here. :)

  54. upstate kate November 9th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    While certainly not w/o blame, it does seem that JoPa is getting more of it than Sandusky the actual pedophile and Curley/Schultz who covered it up and lied to the Grand Jury.

    As for the grad assistant, suppose he had gone to the police (which of course he should have). It turns into a “he said, he said” story, with a scared and vulnerable little boy as the difference maker. I would bet those boys were too intimidated/embarrased to tell the truth. Look at all the instances of pedophile priests.

  55. austinmac November 9th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Teeh words from Cashman he has ability to stretch are good words indeed. Let’s do a 2008 off season again. After all the critical point is, it isn’t my money.

  56. Erin November 9th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    m-don’t forget Heyman saying that “CC will opt-out” the day before he re-upped. :roll:

  57. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    From Joel Sherman NY Post:

    Wilson turns 31 next week. He is likely going to sign a contract for at least five years, which will take him into his late-ish 30s. His fastball is now generally in the 89-91 mph range. Can he succeed without stellar command of that pitch if his fastball falls into the 87-89 area?

    The Yankees have similar concerns about Oakland’s Gio Gonzalez, who is available in the trade market. Gonzalez has superb stuff, but like Burnett, he is mainly a two-pitch pitcher with dubious fastball control.

    Buehrle throws five pitches and has elite fastball command, which is why he is still winning at 85 mph. He turns 33 in March, and will probably command a three-year contract. Buehrle profiles like Jimmy Key, a self-assured guy who can pitch anywhere.

    The Yankees also might inquire about Atlanta’s very available Jair Jurrjens. The Braves have long desired Nick Swisher and could use a young shortstop such as Eduardo Nunez, so the Yankees have pieces to entice. But the Yankees feel they have educated themselves from hard lessons about pitchers thriving in Atlanta and failing in the Bronx such as Javier Vazquez, Steve Karsay, Jaret Wright, Kyle Farnsworth, Mark Worrell and Denny Neagle.

    I’ll add Chris Hammond to his list.

  58. DONNYBROOK November 9th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Cashman said he was interested in “Pitching, pitching, pitching”, this offseason. he’s gonna check under every rock whether it involves pitching or hitting, but this Cuban thing is much ado about nothing. Offense can be had, and unless Swish is traded, the Yankee outfield is full. A lotta fluff coming outta Castro’s old stomping grounds.

  59. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Can’t see Buehrle in pinstripes. Too much $$$. Made 14M last year and is coming off 11 straight seasons pitching at least 200 innings. Garcia provided essentially a mirror image of Buehrle last year, and if offered arbitration would likely make around 5M.

    Can’t see Jurrjens. Shoulder concerns before the start of 2009 season. Oblique strain last year and knee problems as well. If the Braves are willing to trade him, they have lingering health concerns.

  60. J. Alfred Prufrock November 9th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Sanchez writes that Rivero “features a slider, split-finger fastball, sinker and changeup in his repertoire and reached 98 mph with his fastball in the showcase.” King says he’s viewed as a reliever.
    ////

    Rivero and Rivera? ;)

  61. blake November 9th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Swisher and Nunez for Jair would be a tough decision. Depends on who they can replace Swish with and how healthy they think Jair is and will stay…..id hate to have to make the call on that one.

  62. blake November 9th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    I think one thing that’s becoming clear…..Cash is getting a pitcher this winter.

  63. LGY November 9th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Hopefully the board cans Paterno since he didn’t have the decency to step down himself.

  64. blake November 9th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Sounds like the Madson deal isn’t a certainty and the ownership in Philly is questioning the sanity of Ruben Amaro to me.

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock November 9th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    I like Jurrjens, but the guy is way too much of an injury risk to give up Nunez for.

  66. austinmac November 9th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    The Yankees may not get Cespedes, but they are definately very interested from a look at th scouting team. However, the Marlins must be considered the favorites due to the Cuban connection.

    It now appears the Marlins are the favorites for everyone, from Cespedes to Reyes, to Buehrle etc. They still won’t be any good.

  67. blake November 9th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    “I like Jurrjens, but the guy is way too much of an injury risk to give up Nunez for.”

    Id give up a utility infielder for Jair…..Swisher is the issue for me and if I trade him what can I replace him with.

  68. Kelvin November 9th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Blake I’d question bizarro Amaro Jr as well. He just inflated the whole market with that stupid contract.

  69. upstate kate November 9th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    What about the Nats? They don’t seem to mind spending money.

  70. mick November 9th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    While certainly not w/o blame, it does seem that JoPa is getting more of it than Sandusky the actual pedophile and Curley/Schultz who covered it up and lied to the Grand Jury.
    ===================================================
    When an icon does not live up to the hype, this is what happens.

  71. LGY November 9th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    I doubt Buerhle leaves Chicago to go to a non contender

  72. mick November 9th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Hopefully the board cans Paterno since he didn’t have the decency to step down himself.
    =========================
    Wouldn’t that spoil the brand of Joe Pa and Penn St?
    After all, isn’t there future money to be made?

  73. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    It’s Madson or Paplebon for the Phillies.

    Braves are not interested in a utility infielder. They want a bat for LF to add some more offense, than what they got from Martin Prado last season.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock November 9th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Id give up a utility infielder for Jair…..Swisher is the issue for me and if I trade him what can I replace him with.
    ///

    Sure, they can have Ramiro Pena for him ;). Good as he is, he does me no good if he’s on the DL, as per YT’s comments.

  75. Joe from Long Island November 9th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    hi, all –

    1. good point that Sherman brought up about Buerhle – namely, good command of FB. shows that it’s not how hard you throw, it’s how well you can command no.1 also points out that it’s not just about the numbers, but stuff that you don’t necessarily see on a transcript, but only when you actually scout someone. (darvish, cespedes…..)

    2. here in ny state, there is a dept. of health regulation that anyone who comes into contact with children in the course of their duties – health care worker, even librarians and school teachers – is required to report to child protective services even the SUSPICION of an abused child. if that reporting requirement were in place in pennsylvania, a lot of agony could have been avoided.

  76. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Since 1950, Penn State has had only 2 coaches. Rip Engle and Paterno.

  77. Erin November 9th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    CC_Sabathia Check out this video of our trip to the Coliseum in Rome http://zdig.co/ugxzPz

  78. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Now I wouldn’t mind Martin Prado as a super utility type. Can play 2nd, 3rd and both corner OF spots. I don’t think he has played SS, but I’ll check.

  79. upstate kate November 9th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    how do we know the board didn’t know what was going on?

  80. UnKnown November 9th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    I am thinking that would be pretty awesome to be on the tour of the Coliseum in Rome with CC.

  81. upstate kate November 9th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Erin
    it looks like CC is having a wonderful time on his vacation

  82. blake November 9th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    If I could get Beltran to sign a 2 year deal…….I would trade Swisher and Nunez for Jair.

  83. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Prado played 2 games at SS in 2008. If the Braves are concerned about what he’ll earn in arbitration, he’d make a good addition to play and replace Chavez and Jones off the bench.

  84. blake November 9th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Prado would be a good addition too if they’d throw him in. He’s better than Nunez.

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock November 9th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    blake, then you potentially have two guys who can’t stay on the field. I’d do that too, for a healthy Beltran and Jurrjens…who wouldn’t?

  86. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    “He was not a witness to anything. The Grad Asst or his Father should have gone to the police. Also the AD & other PSU Management identified failed.”

    If I were a graduate assistant and witnessed what that grad assistant witnessed, I would immediately go to the head of the department. It would be the responsibility of the head of the department to take immediate action. That would have been Paterno. Paterno dumped it off and washed his hands of it. We’re not talking someone seeing Sandusky swipe a roll of toilet paper. There’s a lot of culpability here, and Paterno owns part of it, witting or not.

    I wonder if Joe Paterno’s boy was sexually molested by someone whether Joe would have felt it was sufficient that somebody reported it to somebody who reported it to somebody and nothing else ever happened. But at least somebody reported it to somebody. I bet Joe Paterno would have felt it was the job of the Joe Paterno in that case, the one who really had the power to do something, to take powerful action and not just pass it off. But of course, it wasn’t Joe’s son who was molested.

  87. Yankee Trader November 9th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    If I could get Beltran to sign a 2 year deal…….I would trade Swisher and Nunez for Jair.
    ———————————————————-

    You’d have to include Martin Prado and Tyler Pastornicky their young SS and have the braves take all of Swisher’s salary, that would be applied to beltran.

  88. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Joe from LI, same in my state.

  89. Tarheel In NYC November 9th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    I met Mickey Rivers while I was in Tampa for a spring training game a few years.

    I told him that I had been a big fan of his since I was 10 years and that it was an honor and a privilege to meet him.

    He stood up, came around the table, and said “C’mere, girl!” He hugged me, kissed the top of my head, said “thank you”, posed for a picture, and signed my baseball. I love him :)

  90. blake November 9th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    “blake, then you potentially have two guys who can’t stay on the field. I’d do that too, for a healthy Beltran and Jurrjens…who wouldn’t?”

    I think the upside would be worth the risk there for what you’d be giving up.

    What would be really too funny…..would be if the Phillies steal Papelbum and then the Sox have to scramble and sign Madson for 4/44

  91. upstate kate November 9th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    awww that is a sweet story Tarheel :)

  92. blake November 9th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Trader,

    Id gladly include prado …..I don’t see the money being an issue because Prado + Jair will cost more than Swisher.

  93. Tarheel In NYC November 9th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Thank you, Kate :) I had tears in my eyes as I left the building because I was just so touched and moved. It’s my favorite Yankee memory to date!

  94. mick November 9th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    who cares what the reporting requirements were?
    fact remains, joe knew and said nothing.
    bottom line.

  95. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    mick – yes, you don’t need a requirement to know the right thing to do.

  96. mick November 9th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    this is the great joe paterno we are talking about…
    what is it about this society that it does not surprise me when icons are exposed that there are always factions to protect them?
    how could they let him coach another game?
    is it really up to him to decide his fate?
    what a sham.
    they will lose future enrolees either way.

  97. J. Alfred Prufrock November 9th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue November 9th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
    mick – yes, you don’t need a requirement to know the right thing to do.
    ///

    I have been avoiding this story, because it is so utterly depraved/depressing and disgustingly political, but what you just said IS the only really important point worth making.

  98. DONNYBROOK November 9th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Why trade established player(s) like Swish to get Jurrjens, when all you gotta part with is $$$ to get Darvish? If you must go the trade route, go after Gio Gonzalez. Vazquez has poisoned the Atlanta\NL trade well when it comes to the Yankees and SP’s.

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