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Posada finds familiarity in Williams

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 10, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It was Jorge Posada who first mentioned Bernie Williams last night. Posada said he’d been talking to Williams a lot this offseason — in fact, the two had talked earlier that day — and Williams was advising patience. He didn’t want Posada rushing to a decision, one way or the other, about whether to play next season.

Five years ago, Posada saw the sudden end of Williams’ career. He saw a lifelong Yankee fade in his late 30s, and he saw the Yankees decide to move on. Did that prepare Posada for his current situation?

“If you asked me that question in February of this year, I would have said, no,” Posada said. “But now, I would say, yes. It went the same way, pretty much.”

Posada has options. He said other teams have called, but the Yankees are clearly the one team he truly wants to play for. Retire, or play elsewhere? For now, Posada can’t decide.

“What I saw with Bernie was tough,” he said. “It’s all over again… (Bernie) says, ‘Make sure you make that decision the right one, and don’t say something that later you want to regret or do something that you regret.’ I don’t want to tell you something because I don’t know. I really don’t know.”

That was the sense I got last night: That Posada really doesn’t know. His career is not going to end the way he hoped, and he’s not sure what to do about it.

“I think after he stays home a few more months and he realizes how hard it is to stay home with the kids, he’s going to pay a team to have him play,” Posada’s wife Laura said, getting a big laugh out of her husband.

“Honestly, what I said to him was, ‘You need to really be sure about your decision because you don’t want to have any regrets. You don’t want to feel in your mind that you didn’t accomplish something that you set out to accomplish when you started playing baseball. He has been playing baseball all his life, so it’s really hard to wake up and not have anything to do. For me, whatever his decision is, I support him. I just want him to be happy and have no regrets. That’s all I want.”

Associated Press photo of Posada’s final division series at-bat

 
 

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79 Responses to “Posada finds familiarity in Williams”

  1. Erin November 10th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    ?I think after he stays home a few more months and he realizes how hard it is to stay home with the kids, he’s going to pay a team to have him play,? Posada?s wife Laura said, getting a big laugh out of her husband.

    **********************

    :D

    Very cute

  2. blake November 10th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    I can agree with Laura.

  3. upstate kate November 10th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    perhaps Po should speak to Andy

  4. blake November 10th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    The student body at Penn state should be ashamed of themselves this morning……..

    I want to know if John Surma and the board chairman knew about Sandusky……..hope somebody looks into that.

  5. Villa Nova-Ya November 10th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    I think Andy was more ready to make the decision. He had been kind of going year to year so he was at least mulling over the idea of life without baseball.

    I think for Jorge it is different. His last season was not the one you want to go out on (although he at least had a really nice post-season), and one would think he’d like a chance to go out on his terms, not feel he was forced out by one bad season. But I can also see him saying, I had a really nice career, and I’m okay with it being done. (Nah…LOL )

    I hope he retires, but wish him well whatever he decides to do.

  6. Villa Nova-Ya November 10th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    It’s sad though, to think of the Yankees without Jorge altogether…

  7. blake November 10th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    I wish Jorge the best in whatever he decides….I don’t see him getting an everyday job with anybody though. He will always be a Yankee no matter what he decides and I believe he will one day where the interlocking NY hat in cooperstown.

  8. blake November 10th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    *wear*

  9. sunny615 November 10th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Anyone have any ideas who the other 6-8 interested teams would be?

  10. pat November 10th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    “It’s sad though, to think of the Yankees without ________ altogether…

    Fill in the blank with X many names depending on how old you are.

    Big difference between Andy and Jorge is Andy walked away on his own and the Yankees would have wanted him back.

  11. Bronx Jeers November 10th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    The Marlins? How much you think they have budgeted for a BUC? At least with an AL club he could get paid to do the one thing he still does fairly well.

    Retirement might seem more attractive when he’s looking at a massive pay cut.

  12. Villa Nova-Ya November 10th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    pat -

    Exactly the difference between Andy and Jorge.

    And very true about “X” player. Time marches onward.

  13. upstate kate November 10th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    my thought regarding Andy was that Andy could tell him about life after baseball

  14. Erin November 10th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Bronx Jeers November 10th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Retirement might seem more attractive when he?s looking at a massive pay cut.

    **********************

    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing

  15. Bronx Jeers November 10th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    I will be very sad when Mariano retires because he’s the only Yankee that’s older than me. :sad:

  16. pat November 10th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    The next allegations being investigated in the Sandusky case add to the horrific factor exponentially.

    “Mark Madden: peeps investigating Sandusky possibly ‘pimping” 2nd Mile kids to donors.”

  17. Villa Nova-Ya November 10th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    upstate kate -

    Oops. Misunderstood where you were coming from. Andy could definitely help out there.

  18. Bronx Jeers November 10th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Re: Mark Madden.

    He raises a very interesting question.

    “Why did college football let an accomplished coach like Sandusky walk away at 55? Why did he disappear into relative anonymity?”

    The implication is that Sandusky’s “retirement” was the price for a coverup and it was a poorly kept secret in college football.

  19. Gary November 10th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Morning, I know there has been alot of comments on here about the Penn State situation. As a Penn State fan what a mess. I’m not defending anyone, but to have it end this way for the school and the coach is a shame when it was so avoidable. Everyone lost in the process, surely the victims who were supposed to be safe with their caretakers, not subject to the advances of this predator . Nothing ever comes out good from not doing the right thing, I hope it’s a lesson learned to all institutions that they need to address issues with a forecful manner when they occur.

    I wish Jorge would watch the for the love of the game video, beyond Kelly Preston I think the story line is germain. What better way to go out then after his excellent long career and a successful post season.

  20. DONNYBROOK November 10th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Posada was with the Yanks 1 yr longer than they woulda liked, due to Cashman having to throw a an extra yr into Posada’s last contract to get him to re-up, so let’s not get all misty eyed now. They all gotta shelf life whether we like it or not, and Jorge’s was a long one and he provided us with a lotta joy, so rejoice in that and save the sorrowful “I remember when’s” for his eulogy. He is still with us, and probably has a future somewhere in Yankee Land, though he and Girardi aint back slappin’ buddies. Girardi still smarts from having been replaced by Posada, which is simply part of the competitive nature of an athlete and in time will pass.

  21. Erin November 10th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    teixeiramark25 I’ve been hiding out in Siberia training for ’12 season “Rocky style”. Back in NYC on Nov 16 to talk about my program… http://bit.ly/t9Zbaa

  22. Joe from Long Island November 10th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    ?Why did college football let an accomplished coach like Sandusky walk away at 55? Why did he disappear into relative anonymity??

    Bronx Jeers – this is what I was getting at last night, that there was a reason why the heir apparent, at that time, retired at what should have been his prime-coaching years, and that no other college team looked to hire him.

    People knew something. As you said, his “retirement” looks like a poorly kept secret. But, money and reputation of those in power are concerned, you know, especially the money part………

  23. Villa Nova-Ya November 10th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Good for Tex!!

    :)

    Donnybrook -

    No matter the circumstances, it’s still hard to say goodbye.

  24. Erin November 10th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    teixeiramark25 Sorry I’ve been out of touch, spent the last month working on game plan for 2012. My fans are the best, we’ll be talking more!

  25. Erin November 10th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    I wish Jorge would watch the for the love of the game video, beyond Kelly Preston I think the story line is germain. What better way to go out then after his excellent long career and a successful post season.

    *******************

    Not that this has anything to do with anything, but I think Swisher lists that as his favorite movie

  26. 108 stitches November 10th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Mike Harkey goes back to when he and Girardi were with the Cubs. Otherwise, Jorge could start off as the bullpen coach and work his way up.

  27. Clare November 10th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    pat,

    I really hope that turns out not to be true. If it is true, then it puts a whole different light on everything, especially the Sandusky retirement, the 1998 investigation, etc. If it’s true, it’s not just a single predator, because there’s no way that others didn’t know.

  28. Gary November 10th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Erin November 10th, 2011 at 10:28 am
    I wish Jorge would watch the for the love of the game video, beyond Kelly Preston I think the story line is germain. What better way to go out then after his excellent long career and a successful post season.

    *******************

    Not that this has anything to do with anything, but I think Swisher lists that as his favorite movie

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Who is (was) his favorite? Costner or Kelly :-)

    I just think he comes back with somebody else and hits .200. True he could hit .260, but I don’t think those odds are in his favor. He spent alot of time ridding the bench in the second half, his freshness might have worked to his advantage of the last 2-3 weeks of the season and the post season.

  29. djsunyc November 10th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    I want to know if John Surma and the board chairman knew about Sandusky……..hope somebody looks into that.

    ————-

    i’m sorry but when stuff went down years ago – everybody who had power at that school knew about it. and they decided to protect “the program” and keep the millions of dollars coming in…just glad it’s out now and these people pay for their indiscretions…

  30. Erin November 10th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Gary- that I couldn’t tell you. ;)

  31. Gary November 10th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Clare November 10th, 2011 at 10:34 am
    pat,

    I really hope that turns out not to be true. If it is true, then it puts a whole different light on everything, especially the Sandusky retirement, the 1998 investigation, etc. If it’s true, it’s not just a single predator, because there’s no way that others didn’t know.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Hard to not feel sorry for Joe in this, here is a 85 year old guy that his whole life has been football and now it’s just gone. The guy must be crushed. I think he had bad judgement and made bad decisions and I wish it never came to this, but you have to pay for your issues no one is going to give you a pass on this. It’s far too sorrid of a story, way beyond the usual recruiting situations.

  32. Gary November 10th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Erin November 10th, 2011 at 10:40 am
    Gary- that I couldn’t tell you.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    But we could guess. :-)

  33. Mgumpher November 10th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    The Penn State stuff is ugly as it gets. Some things that really bug me about all of this…

    Why did it take the Grand Jury 3 years to come out with this? Three years that Sandusky was still walking around, probably doing his thing.

    The Grand Jury normally is for an 18 month period, so this had to be extended. Why?

    This had been known by the State prior to this Grand Jury being assembled, and they dropped the idea of charging Sandusky. Why? I know the guy who dropped it has disappeared, but still, I can’t buy it that the University would ever think that molesting young boys is something to sweep under the rug.

    No matter how bad it looks when you have a coach or assistant coach who is a pedophile, why would anyone who has even half a brain look to cover it up rather than just having that person arrested and at least getting some credit for seeing it happen and putting a stop to it?

    Despite the Grand Jury report, which is quite damning, it needs to be remembered that burden of proof and the way things are presented in a grand jury is far different from what happens at a trial. This is to see if there is sufficient information and proof for it to go to trial. With it being a three year affair, the report from the grand jury may give a decent outline but there might be a lot more information about this case that isn’t as clear as that report makes it to be.

    Penn State is in for a world of hurt. Their school will being through a big downturn, and probably every trustee should be replaced. This is an institutional problem, and I wouldn’t want any of my children going to a school that seemed to enable a pervert to remain a part of it for all this time.

  34. austinmac November 10th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    The Yankees need to abondon all off-season plans because the Marlins are going to sign all free agents and all international players. Isn’t that what is being essentially reported?

    Cashman does give some subltle hints when he talks. He seems to me to be tempering any hopes of signing Cespedes. However, I interpret his statement they are more prepared now to evaluate Japanese players as saying they are not hesitant to go after Darvish. In my opinion, if they do anything big, Darvish will be the guy.

    I still think they are watching their dollars carefully, and will go the less expensive route such as Garcia and another lower cost rehab pitcher. But, what do I know?

  35. Gary November 10th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    djsunyc November 10th, 2011 at 10:39 am
    I want to know if John Surma and the board chairman knew about Sandusky……..hope somebody looks into that.

    ————-

    i’m sorry but when stuff went down years ago – everybody who had power at that school knew about it. and they decided to protect “the program” and keep the millions of dollars coming in…just glad it’s out now and these people pay for their indiscretions…

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Agree, everyone at the school in the high circles knew about it. Barring a full investigation and public disclosure they would not have been able to go out with the real story which they thought would have been a PR disaster. They thought they could buy this guy off and cover it up and it would go away. Things like this never go away, eventually they come out. Now they have a PR disaster that is a Tsunami compared to where they were several years back.

  36. djsunyc November 10th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    austin – i think they are saving the $$$’s for a kemp/hamels type offseason next winter…

  37. Erin November 10th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Gary- LOL :)

  38. djsunyc November 10th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    gary – if i’m running a company, the first thing i do is fire everyone involved after an internal investigation. if i know someone’s done something like that – he’s fired. if that person wants to sue me, he can. and anything he wins in court will pale in comparison to the damage caused if i decide to turn a blind eye.

  39. Erin November 10th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    YESKimJones In ’04 when PSU was 2-7, Spanier,Curley&Schultz went to Paterno’s home. Asked to resign,Joe said no. Funny how fate of 4 were so intertwined

  40. LGY November 10th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    @sbnation: Both @YahooForde and @JPosnanski are speaking at #JoePaClass today. @Devon2012, a PSU student, is live-tweeting it.

  41. LGY November 10th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Posnanski coming off as a serious Paterno apologist.

    @Devon2012: “If this happened at the University of Miami, no matter how bad it was, it wouldn’t have elevated to this level.” -Posnanski

    Ridiculous comment.

  42. Gary November 10th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Mgumpher November 10th, 2011 at 10:45 am
    The Penn State stuff is ugly as it gets. Some things that really bug me about all of this…

    Why did it take the Grand Jury 3 years to come out with this? Three years that Sandusky was still walking around, probably doing his thing.

    The Grand Jury normally is for an 18 month period, so this had to be extended. Why?

    This had been known by the State prior to this Grand Jury being assembled, and they dropped the idea of charging Sandusky. Why? I know the guy who dropped it has disappeared, but still, I can’t buy it that the University would ever think that molesting young boys is something to sweep under the rug.

    No matter how bad it looks when you have a coach or assistant coach who is a pedophile, why would anyone who has even half a brain look to cover it up rather than just having that person arrested and at least getting some credit for seeing it happen and putting a stop to it?

    Despite the Grand Jury report, which is quite damning, it needs to be remembered that burden of proof and the way things are presented in a grand jury is far different from what happens at a trial. This is to see if there is sufficient information and proof for it to go to trial. With it being a three year affair, the report from the grand jury may give a decent outline but there might be a lot more information about this case that isn’t as clear as that report makes it to be.

    Penn State is in for a world of hurt. Their school will being through a big downturn, and probably every trustee should be replaced. This is an institutional problem, and I wouldn’t want any of my children going to a school that seemed to enable a pervert to remain a part of it for all this time.
    ____________________________________________________________________________

    20/20 hindsight but they simply should have suspended the guy over allegations of sexual misconduct, conducted both a internal investigation and cooperated with the police. Based on whatever the evidence was if it supported an arrest he would have been arrested. Then the school could have dumped him. Also the school would have had the opportunity at that time to address the issues with the program and detail what the solutions were that were going to be put in place.

  43. austinmac November 10th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    djsunyc,

    You could be right they are saving their money, but I bet neither Kemp nor Hamels becomes a free agent. The Phillies have shown willingness to spend a lot and the Dodgers will have a new owner with deep pockets and a huge need to show they intend to try to win.

  44. Gary November 10th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    djsunyc November 10th, 2011 at 10:52 am
    gary – if i’m running a company, the first thing i do is fire everyone involved after an internal investigation. if i know someone’s done something like that – he’s fired.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Agree, the laws in effect today for the workplace offer no latitude for sexual misconduct and discrimination. The key thing you said was after the investigation, if facts were found to support the allegations then the company is well within it’s rights to bring about termination. Given the timeline of the graduate assistant being called in to tell the story, either the university didn’t think them all that important or they were much more obsessed with damage control as opposed to the crime. I think Joe did take on the urgency of passing the information up. I guess he meet with the student on a Saturday night and then alerted the AD or whoever on Sunday morning. I think it took 1-2 weeks before the student was called in. Joe should should have been more forceful and proactive on his part while other dragged their feet. I am sure that will haunt him for the rest of his life.

  45. djsunyc November 10th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    oh man – could get worse:

    “I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen,” Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. “I hear there’s a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation — and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can — that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak.”

    After the news spread, Madden later explained via Twitter why he went public with the rumors.
    “I normally abhor giving RUMORS credence,” Madden wrote. “But whole Sandusky scandal started out as a RUMOR. It gets deeper and more disgusting all the time. One of state’s top columnists investigating. That adds credence. I am NOT rumor’s original source. [Why does] Sandusky deserve benefit of doubt?”

    Madden also spoke more definitively on Dennis and Callahan to the cover-up efforts at the school and beyond that he expects will be made public soon.

    “The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they’ll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up,” Madden said. “If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn’t it?

    “My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew — not just at Penn State,” Madden added. “I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly.”

  46. ron November 10th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Imo they did what they thought was enough to cover their asses.
    Paterno & all the others.

    Their were warning signs everywhere,eyewitness accounts,etc..

    They were not concerned about protecting the victims,they were worried about covering their asses.

  47. Mgumpher November 10th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    That report by Maddon makes it seem that it was a bigger issue involved in Penn State, if the donors to Second Mile were involved with this type of stuff, it may mean that members of the board of trustees are involved.

    This probably goes much deeper than ever thought. There has to be some powerful figures involved, beyond just the University, to have the kind of pull to keep the lid on this.

  48. Irreverent Discourse November 10th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    *snore*

  49. Joe from Long Island November 10th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    ron – the thing is, not about just cya activity, but things which, if true, are orders of magnitude worse. money, sex, missing persons……..this could rival the plot in a movie for bizarre and twisted. all for money and power.

  50. m November 10th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Donny,

    I think that’s what bothered me about the “bitter” comment from Jorge.

    Girardi’s handprints are not on Jorge’s back. And why should he be bitter at Cash & the Yankees? He got the deal he wanted four years ago.

    I know he was expressing how he felt, but the Yankees haven’t even told him anything and he’s giving his concession speech.

    I truly feel bad for Jorge. But Williams, Thome, and countless others went (are going) through the same thing. If I were Jorge, I would retire. But I will respect his decision either way.

  51. Gary November 10th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    ron November 10th, 2011 at 11:13 am
    Imo they did what they thought was enough to cover their asses.
    Paterno & all the others.

    Their were warning signs everywhere,eyewitness accounts,etc..

    They were not concerned about protecting the victims,they were worried about covering their asses.

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    The big mistake was not immediatly contacting the police. After that they just spun in deeper. That aspect is totally unacceptable in modern society, similar situation to what has happend with the OWS crowd who also don’t report crime to the police. Interesting that so many had a total brain fa$t. Maybe at some point it will come out that orders from headquarters clamped the muzzle on everyone below.

  52. Irreverent Discourse November 10th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    m- Posada sounds to me like a man accepting his fate. He knows he doesn’t want to go anywhere else, make less mmoney or deal with new players… it may take him a few weeks/months but in the end I fully believe he will retire.

  53. Mgumpher November 10th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Ron, I just don’t see it being a case of covering their butts. It does harm an institution to have someone like Sandusky as a part of it, but no one would fault them for firing him and even seeing him arrested for his actions. It seems there is other cause involved for the cover up.

    This just doesn’t add up to a simple answer.

    If Sandusky was pimping out the boys to donors, then we are talking about some pretty powerful people involved. These donors would also be involved with the University.

    This thing is probably going to become far more ugly than it already is.

  54. G. Love November 10th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    I was angry at Jorge this season. He was always one of my favorite Yankees and I felt that he wasn’t embracing the DH role, wasn’t producing on the field and then with the whole dust up in that Boston series I felt that he quit on the team by pulling himself out of the game like he did w/a BS excuse that his wife tried to cover for him on Twitter with.

    Then he came back after that and played better. He didn’t have a monster season but the season was respectable.

    His final week of the regular season and post season however was legendary in my eyes. It’s what makes me wish Swisher and Texeira, 2 of the biggest offensive stiffs on this team when the pressure is on, were on another team right now.

    If the offense had played to it’s capabilities Jorge would have went out a champion again and probably hit his way to a post season MVP award the way he was locked in.

    Do I want him back on the Yankees next season? Not at the expense of Montero. His bat needs to be in the lineup.

    Will I be offended if he takes a backup role with another team? No. The way the guy was hitting fastballs, serious fastballs, towards the end of the season tells me he’s not finished.

    While it will be odd to see him in a different uniform if he plays for another team I’ll be happy for him. The Yankees don’t owe him anything and he doesn’t owe the Yankees anything.

    He still is a major league bat. I can’t imagine going to sleep on a career when you know you can still hit a major league fastball 400 feet. I hope he keeps playing if that’s what he wants to do.

  55. Irreverent Discourse November 10th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Now3 Sandusky is pimping out little boys to donors of the University? Man, you guys sure know how to beat a dead horse like pro’s.

  56. m November 10th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    ID,

    It’s a unique thing to play with one team your whole career, especially in baseball.

    I hope he retires a Yankee, though I doubt it’s easy to just give up doing what you love.

  57. Irreverent Discourse November 10th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    m – It’s certainly hard to give it up, but in going to another team I don’t believe he would be returning to what he “loved” about being a Yankee. That realization will keep him out of another usniform.

    That and… no one is going to pay a concussion case with very little bat left to be a backup catcher.

  58. Gary November 10th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Irreverent Discourse November 10th, 2011 at 11:26 am
    m – It’s certainly hard to give it up, but in going to another team I don’t believe he would be returning to what he “loved” about being a Yankee. That realization will keep him out of another usniform.

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    Hopefully that’s the way it turns out. Jorge situation came of that he didn’t start the year with the mindset this is my last year like so many other players have done. I can remember alot of players on the farewell tour. I guess he believed that he still had (has) the tools to get another year or two of his body, but his play for the majority of the season didn’t mirror that. Absent a handful of games he was an easy out. I think he makes the big mistake by continuing on, I still remember the last year Micky played and I’ve read about Ruth’s last year, I’d hate to see Jorge end his career that way, fams are fickle they have a way of letting you know your not getting it done, especially in a new city.

  59. m November 10th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Nice post by Pete. I do think there’s a real chance that Varitek is back with Boston (yes!). When you see the defense Boston will be putting back there, you will thank Cashman for Martin instead of condemning him:

    Tough call for two rival catchers
    Permalink|Comments (4) Posted by Peter Abraham, Globe Staff November 10, 2011 10:40 AM

    By Peter Abraham, Globe Staff

    Jorge Posada made his debut with the Yankees in 1995 and has played 208 games against the Red Sox. Jason Varitek made his debut with the Red Sox in 1997 and has played 172 games against the Yankees.

    Posada is 40 and Varitek turns 40 in April. Their careers have taken the same path for the most part and they’re beloved in their respective cities for their commitment to their teams, toughness and ability.

    Imagine the conversation those two guys could have. They’ve seen it all.

    Now comes the tough part.

    As Posada told Mark Feinsand of the Daily News and other reporters last night, he knows he won’t be back with the Yankees in 2012. The question he has to answer is whether he can play for another team.

    Teams have contacted him and Posada, who lives in Miami, could be a good pickup for the Marlins as a clubhouse mentor and backup catcher. But after so many years with the Yankees, could he suit up for somebody else?

    Like Posada, Varitek is a free agent and could have a difficult decision to make. If the Red Sox don’t want to bring him back, could he play for another team?

    Varitek told me a few weeks ago that he definitely wants to play in 2012 and hopes it will be in Boston. He’s not sure what he would do otherwise.

    Because he is such a good catcher, Varitek has value to the Red Sox that Posada doesn’t have to the Yankees. But the Red Sox also have Ryan Lavarnway waiting in the wings. Given the construction of their lineup, a righthanded hitter with pop would be a welcome addition.

    Ben Cherington and Brian Cashman have said all the right things, praising Varitek and Posada without making any promises or commitments. At some point, every GM has to make a cold-blooded decision to sweep away old guys and replace them with younger players.

    In New York, that clearly will happen. In Boston, we’re not sure. But the end of an era is near in the great rivalry between the Sox and Yanks. Varitek and Posada were never the best players on the field but they were among the better catchers in the game during their time. It would be strange to see them playing for somebody else.

  60. m November 10th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Wait, I missed this:

    Because he is such a good catcher, Varitek has value to the Red Sox that Posada doesn’t have to the Yankees.

    ?!

  61. ron November 10th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    psu=pedophile state university.

    I read it on another site.

    Terrible.

  62. Mike in Harrisburg November 10th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    There are 100s of millions of dollars in civil suits in the offing, let alone any further criminal charges that may still be leveled.

    This is an unbelievable story.

  63. Gary November 10th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    m November 10th, 2011 at 11:40 am
    Wait, I missed this:

    Because he is such a good catcher, Varitek has value to the Red Sox that Posada doesn’t have to the Yankees.

    ?!

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I don’t think he is speaking to this defense which is ugly. They like the way he handles the pitchers. Some what similar to Martain, I think Joe has made similar comments about handling pitchers vrs his offensive contribution.

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 10th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    blake – about the trustees. You’d have to know how their terms of office are set up. I don’t believe for a minute that trustees who may have come in well past this stuff happening have accountability. There’s no certainty that they would have even been apprised of it, given that everyone was trying to sweep it under the rug and keep it hush hush. And once the grand jury is investigating something, well no organzational body is going to take action on a situation.

    I would be stunned if some members of that board of trustees, especially those who have been there the longest, didn’t have information. But again, if they have rotating terms and there isn’t any very long-term carry over, it’s possible that there wasn’t a lot of information for them to act on – if they would have acted on it.

    **************

    One thing that drives me nuts about the media, an it just happened in the live press conference of the guy who took over for Paterno:

    question #3 (not literally the third question, but for purposes of illustration) – coach, how much did you know about Jerry Sandusky’s activities and what did you personally do about it?

    answer: due to the ongoing investigation, I’m not going to answer any questions about that.

    question #7 – coach how much did you know about what Sandusky was doing and what action did you take to stop it?

    question #19 – were you personally aware of what Jerry Sandusky was doing and who did you report it to if you did know?

    question # 25 – (paraphrase ditto)

    etc. etc. etc.

  65. pat November 10th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    For Erin and everyone else who needs a break from depravity…..

    Marc Berman
    Been waiting long time for this. Not lockout ending. But Amar’e & Melo’s Sesame Street cameo tomorr. They talk to Grover about word “compare.”

  66. LGY November 10th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Victims’ Lawyer Attacks Penn State Board

    http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp.....um=twitter

    These State College people really are brainwashed and the victims need a new lawyer.

  67. Erin November 10th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Thanks pat!!

    That’s awesome-and I’m not even a basketball fan.

    And a little Sesame Street triva: the show premiered on this date in 1969 :)

  68. Erin November 10th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    jonmorosi Source: #Phillies sign LH reliever Ra?l Vald?s to minor-league deal w/ invite to spring training. Pitched for #Yankees, #STLCards this yr.

  69. Mike in Harrisburg November 10th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Getting back to the depravity – http://www.midwestsportsfans.c.....y-scandal/

    “I hear a rumor that there will be a shocking development from the Second Miles Foundation … That Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors.”

    Madden claims it’s being investigated by “two prominent columnists.”

  70. Irreverent Discourse November 10th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Now it’s the victims decision if Paterno gets fired or not? Everyone involved in this case is delusional.

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 10th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    “Penn State is in for a world of hurt. Their school will being through a big downturn, and probably every trustee should be replaced. This is an institutional problem, and I wouldn’t want any of my children going to a school that seemed to enable a pervert to remain a part of it for all this time.”

    I don’t think we can even begin to imagine the world of hurt that is going to come out of this for Penn State as an institution and as someone pointed out earlier, we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in terms of Penn State employee termination.

    Thrown out in the grand jury report but not yet really grabbed onto because of the immediate spotlight on Penn State – knowledge of Sandusky’s pediophilia by teachers/administrators in schools involved with Sandusky’s Second Mile organization and their lack of appropriate action.

  72. ron November 10th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    I would not wan’t to be sandusky in jail.

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Man is he gonna get his.

    Scary thing is he might like it.

  73. pat November 10th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Rafael Rojas
    VZ Intelligence police confirm WIlson Ramos is still alive #Nationals.

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 10th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    “Now it’s the victims decision if Paterno gets fired or not? Everyone involved in this case is delusional.”

    Dear God almighty, someone apparently looking for his 15 minutes of fame (the attorney for the victims.)

    I think the only thing about which we can be certain is that this will get uglier and uglier and isn’t going to disappear soon. Long after it’s front page news, this horror show and whatever the reaches of its tentacles will continue to pulsate.

  75. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 10th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    ron, I’m thinking that if he were going to jail for any other crime, he might enjoy being someone’s prison wife. But knowing how prisoners look upon child molesters, this guy would probably be better off doing himself in. In fact I’m stunned he hasn’t already done so, though I did hear that he’s denying the charges.

  76. m November 10th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Lupica big timin’ on the today show.

  77. pat November 10th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    “Lupica big timin’ on the today show.”

    Did they give him a booster seat to sit in so he was the same height as everyone else?

  78. Erin November 10th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    New Post: Looking for reasons for a Posada comeback

    :arrow:

  79. blake November 10th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Trisha,

    Yea I don’t know. I think the state needs to investigate the whole lot……I want to know how many board members knew and did nothing just the same as the president and Paterno.

    If the latest report is true then the web grows even larger…..who were these sickos that Sandusky was pimping to.


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