Colin Curtis gets on the field, plus other winter league notes
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 11, 2011 
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After missing the entire season with a shoulder injury, Colin Curtis is finally back on the field in the Venezuelan Winter League. In his first three games for Aguilas del Zulia, Curtis has already seen time in all three outfield positions. It’s early — obviously — but he’s hitting .333 (3-for-9) with one double, one walk, one strikeout, one sacrifice and one hit by pitch.
He’s in that group — with Greg Golson, Chris Dickerson and Justin Maxwell — of outfielders who could play a bench role at some point next season. One difference might be that Curtis has options remaining. I’m not sure the other three do.
And yes, the Venezuelan Winter League is where Wilson Ramos was playing when he was kidnapped this week. That’s a really scary situation, obviously.
• In the Dominican Winter League, Hector Noesi made another start on Wednesday and went six scoreless innings. That’s his third straight start without an earned run, spanning a total of 17 innings. He has a 1.66 ERA through five outings. He’s struck out 14, walked five, and he’s getting more than twice as many ground outs as fly outs.
• In the Arizona Fall League, David Phelps picked up his first win in his most recent start. He allowed two runs on three hits through five innings. After a rocky beginning down in Arizona, Phelps’ past two starts have been pretty good. He’s one of those guys constantly mentioned as a possible rotation candidate next year.
• Splitting time between shortstop and third base, Ramiro Pena is hitting .364 through seven games in the Mexican Winter League. He also has a homer and as many walks as strikeouts.
• Speaking of Mexico, Jorge Vazquez continues to rake down there. He hit his ninth home run yesterday, and he’s batting .327 through 25 games. Still strikes out a ton — he already has 30 Ks — but the guy can clobber a baseball, no doubt.
• Settling in at third base in Arizona, utility man Ronnier Mustelier is hitting .340 with two home runs in 13 Fall League games. He played all over the field this season, but he’s been strictly a third baseman in Arizona.
• Infielder Corban Joseph doubled in today’s Fall League game, and he’s hit for decent power down there, but he’s batting just .221, which is kind of odd for him… Joseph’s teammate Rob Segedin — primarily a third baseman, who’s been getting all of his time in left field — is hitting .261/.370/.424 in the Fall League.
• Another scoreless inning for reliever Chase Whitley in the Arizona Fall League. His ERA is down to 1.84 with a .204 opponents batting average… Another Yankees reliever, Preston Claiborne, has allowed a run in his past two Fall League outings, but he still has good overall numbers… A third Yankees reliever in the Fall League, Dan Burawa, finally had a scoreless outing this week, but his overall Arizona numbers remain ugly.
• Trying to bounce back from a disappointing year in Double-A, 40-man outfielder Melky Mesa is hitting .389/.421/.611 through his first eight games in the Dominican… Mesa’s Double-A teammate Ray Kruml is hitting .364 through just four games in Puerto Rico… Two other outfielders, Abe Almonte and Ziolo Almonte, are both off to slow starts in the Dominican, with neither getting much playing time.
• Catching prospect Gary Sanchez, who was injured late in the year, is back on the field in the Dominican Winter League. He’s played only once.
• Switch pitcher Pat Venditte is holding lefties to a .211 average and righties to a .214 average in Mexico.
“In the Dominican Winter League, Hector Noesi made another start on Wednesday and went six scoreless innings. That’s his third straight start without an earned run, spanning a total of 17 innings. ”
don’t trade Noesi
Law’s take
I thought signing Ryan Madson for four years and $44 million was a bad idea, even though he is the best free-agent reliever on the market, both short- and long-term. The history of signing relievers to deals of that length is simply too awful to ignore.
That contract would have been a bargain relative to the four-year deal the Phillies are about to give Jonathan Papelbon — more money, plus a lost draft pick, for an inferior reliever who gives up more fly balls.
Papelbon was the second-best relief option on the market, but even in one of his best seasons in 2011, he was worth only two or three wins above replacement, and I’d put the over/under on his WAR for this deal at around eight, which would still make it a pretty bad contract. But the real issue with any reliever and with Papelbon specifically is high attrition rates — relievers don’t last, and their peaks tend to be short.
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb.....s-phillies
Blake,
Do you think there is a market for Rafael Soriano?
Robertson and Joba make him kind of overkill.
blake,
My team is Villanova, bit that’s because that’s my wife’s alma mater. I also like the way they play, usually all underclassmen. For me in Georgia, its Georgia Tech, but I root for anyone who wins the Ivy League in the NCAAs. Forlorn hope, but whatthehell?
There has been more movement early this year than I can remember…..you hardly ever see much going on until at least after the GM meetings. I think Reyes will take his talents to south beach.
blake November 11th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
“In the Dominican Winter League, Hector Noesi made another start on Wednesday and went six scoreless innings. That’s his third straight start without an earned run, spanning a total of 17 innings. ”
don’t trade Noesi
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I’d rather trade Hughes.
Bret,
I wish but I just don’t think so…..had he not been hurt last year then perhaps. It’s just too much money for a guy that’s somewhat of a question mark…..I will say that 2 years of Soriano would be a lot better than that Papelbon deal.
Tom,
that’s cool…
Blake,
The catch is this…
If R. Soriano pitches well enough for a full season, it would boost his trade value, but he would also opt out after the season.
Maybe Cashman can move him at the deadline if he’s lights out and healthy.
Trenton shortstop, Jose Pirela has been playing 2nd base in Venezuela and is surprising everyone by having just 1 error and hitting .380 with numbers of 35-92, 3 doubles, 2 triples, 1 homer, 19 RBI.
I think if Soriano has a healthy season then he will certainly opt out after next year……he may would have some trade value this summer if he has a good first half…..but the thing is that unless the Yanks could get something in return that would help them for 2012 then I doubt they’d deal him in season.
Blake,
They might deal Soriano in season if Joba returns healthy by mid-season.
We talked about doing this. Now that the time is here I’m even more bummed we didn’t.
fran_cervelliFrancisco Cervelli
At the #CCchallenge Rules Party! @CC_Sabathia and Drew Gooden http://yfrog.com/h8tglvpj
Bret,
why though? they aren’t going to be concerned with trimming payroll in season…..if they were getting something in return worthwhile then sure…..but I don’t see any team taking him on and giving back anything of value
blake,
How about dem Spartans?
Blake,
Yeah…true…I’m still curious to see if some GM bites early and risks the 2 year commitment to R. Soriano.
Do teams really want to give the likes of Madson a 4 year deal?
There’s risks involved out on the free agent market as well. Maybe the shorter commitment to Soriano makes him movable.
“How about dem Spartans?”
it’s early….heels playing like garbage.
Whatever reason that madson deal fell apart……I don’t think he’ll get that same deal now from anybody else.
pat -
Cervelli looks like a munchkin in that picture, between those two!
I hope CC gives a full report on the Challenge. It sure did look like fun.
blake,
Just bustin. Don’t care who wins, just want a good game to the finish.
see if the marlins want Soriano
This Penn State situation that some have been discussing is so sad. And the parallels to the church having circled the wagons around their own to protect the institution is glaring. I am surprised more isn’t said about that. Not that it makes what happened at Penn State right. It clearly wasn’t. But while Paterno won’t coach again, what is to be said of the church for decades shipping the priests who molested little boys to other parishes to start all over again with a fresh victim? All the while, the congregation pays their weekly tithes to support the system turning a blind cheek just like Penn State did.
Sad commentary on our society.
WTF? Pujols AND Montero?
http://tinyurl.com/7hq7d9h
Why is Sandusaky out on bail where he can flee or do more damage?
Noesi, is dealing. I bet you its all because of the mlb experience he received this year..
mick – I agree that Sandusky should be in jail and not walking around. Whatever judge made that decision is crazy, and why the AG hasn’t sought to modify bail is bewildering.
The law is the law. Let it sort out, or take it to a different blog. This one is supposed to be about baseball. I get all this stuff from other places, so please leave this place alone.
Yeah I don’t want this place to turn into a basketball forum either
folks have always talked about a variety of topics here…..especially at times when there is very little baseball related material to discuss.
I could easily see Noesi matching what Nova did last year or possibly better if given the opportunity.
Yanks need to try and move Vasquez as he’ll most likely never play for them…
the real “big game James”
Comment From Bret
What are your thoughts on Cespedes?
1:06
Frankie Piliere:
I probably know about as much as everyone else right now. All my info is second hand right now but everyone I talk to says he’s pretty special. He seems to get a lot of those Mike Trout comparisons.
1:06
Comment From Ben
speaking of “real deal”, what do you think about yank’s Ravel Santana and Mason Williams?
1:08
Frankie Piliere:
Well I missed Santana late year because of his injury but there’s some people that would take him almost over any hitter in that organization. So, here’s to hoping he rebounds health wise because the talent is legit. Williams I saw a lot of. Something I’ve harped on a lot with him is his hit tool. Plenty of guys are fast and athletic but he has a real knack at the plate to go with that. Really a big Williams fan.
Comment From Tyler
What are your overall thoughts on Warren? If I recall correctly, you’re a fan.
1:19
Frankie Piliere:
I am. He gets a little overshadowed by the Bs and for good reason, they are better prospects. But he’s going to be very good. I think he can easily be either an above average reliever or starter. His stuff plays in both roles. I just hope New York gives him a legitimate look.
Papelbon hilarity!
http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....cherington
If the Yankees sign Cespedes for that loot, he’d be starting and my guess is Gardner would garner more in a trade than Swisher.
Cespedes is a natural CF so the big LF in YS should come to him easy.
If they signed Cespedes then my guess is he’d starting for SWB at first…..gotta see if he can actually play in the big leagues before you trade off your current outfielders.
I agree that Sandusky should be in jail and not walking around. Whatever judge made that decision is crazy, and why the AG hasn’t sought to modify bail is bewildering.
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Must be a member of the good ol boy network, after all…They ARE PENN ST.
Isn’t it just simply amazing that anytime the Sux lose a player, all of their fans think that it’s a good thing because they don’t need him anyways. constantly in denial…
Papelbon leaving the Red Sox is both good and bad I think….short term it will hurt them because he was by far their best reliever last year….however, that contract the Phillies gave him was horrible so I would have loved for Boston to have been the ones to give it to him instead.
bret, what do you know about cepeda?
What if the Dodgers extend Kemp?
Who would you sign from the 2013 FA class?
Michael Bourn
Marlon Byrd
Melky Cabrera
Matt Diaz
Andre Ethier
Curtis Granderson *
Josh Hamilton
Torii Hunter
Carlos Lee
Angel Pagan
Carlos Quentin
Aaron Rowand
Luke Scott
Ryan Spilborghs
Ichiro Suzuki
B.J. Upton
Shane Victorino
Reggie Willits
Delmon Young
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My top 3 would be:
1) B.J. Upton
2) Shane Victorino
3) Melky Cabrera
one thing about smear, he handled the pressure of boston…the next guy might not
Mick,
I watched his 20 minute promo video “The Showcase”. I don’t know if his tools translate to the ML but he seems to have amazing strength and a very powerful swing where he gets full extension. He looks like a ballplayer. The hitter version of Aroldis Chapman is a fair comp.
mikey and mick – there seems to be a whole different law for Paterno and Penn State – at least there certainly had been for quite a while. So I guess it’s not surprising to me that the slimeball Sandusky is still out walking around. And with all of the evidence against him, he’s pleading not guilty. Because the grand jury indicted Sandusky and is charging Curley and Schultz for starters does not mean that all of a sudden everyone has gotten religion. That’s still Paterno country, where Penn State football is more important than everything else, including morality and justice. I think in those parts the major outrage is about Paterno getting canned.
Blake,
If you put Gardner in the Cuban league, do you think he could hit .333 with a 60HR pace over 160 games?
Surprised by how much Paps got from the Phillies.. I figured if he got that type of contract it’d have to come from the Sox or some dark horse like the Nats.
…and that whole new wrinkle about Sandusky pimping these kids out to wealthy donors? I’m thinking if thats true it has a lot to do with the cover up. Just a guess, everything I learned about law comes from a mix of CSI and Law and Order reruns..
Yep, sandusky is the only guy to ever get out on bail because its paterno country and an ol boys network. Right. Idiots.
“If you put Gardner in the Cuban league, do you think he could hit .333 with a 60HR pace over 160 games?”
that’s not his game…..and that doesn’t matter. What matters is if Cespedes can hit big league pitching and big league breaking stuff….if he has plate discipline etc….the Cuban league is about like A ball here…
“Surprised by how much Paps got from the Phillies..”
the phillies do really strange things sometimes. They need offense much more than they needs a 50 million dollar closer….
carlo, where I come from men charged with molesting children are held without bail.
UCONN HOOPS
STORRS, Conn. — Jeremy Lamb scored a career-high 30 points and No. 4 Connecticut began defense of its national championship with a 70-57 victory over Columbia on Friday night.
Shabazz Napier added 21 points, eight assists and six rebounds for the Huskies (1-0), who led 37-22 at halftime.
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Lamb-Napier is the best backcourt in the country. And UCONN’s front court is huge and the best defensively in the country. Drummond-Oriakhi-Smith-Olander.
And the UCONN bigs can score too.
does sudakis know he is sick?
“PAWTUCKET, R.I. (WPRI) – A man accused of molesting two young girls reportedly enticed neighborhood children with money.
____________, 78, of Pawtucket, is being held without bail. He has been charged with two counts of first degree child molestation sexual assault, and one count of enticement of a child.”
mick – very good question
Carlo you are right. This isn’t a Paterno country thing. Just think how many molesting priests are simply moved to another place without bail?
…and that whole new wrinkle about Sandusky pimping these kids out to wealthy donors?
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Jerry either has something on somebody or he is the ringleader of something much bigger, if you know what i mean…
Blake,
The Yankees sent an entourage of their top scouts to evaluate him. If they convince ownership to dish out 30 million dollars, how could they not have a strong inclination that he can outhit Gardner in the bigs? Gardner is a .720 OPS player.
Cespedes is a wild card but the Yankees can sign a 4th OF with starter potential – Sizemore, DeJesus, Willingham…one of those guys.
Let’s just call it a power thing, shall we?
Given the allegations….it is a little surprising that Sandusky is out on bail I would think as well.
trish did u see that article about the boston clubhouse pedophile?
sudakakis now has the opportunity to do a few things other than molesting a few more boys such as fleeing and killing himself
Bret,
absolutely…..but I don’t see the rush. Let him get his feet wet and acclimate in games that don’t count….
blake, very true, I hope the Phillies enjoy being the 2008 Yankees. I just can’t see them going all the way with some of those contracts on the books. Their pen wasn’t really their issue, IIRC, so while I don’t doubt Paps will help them win some games I just don’t know how many they really would’ve lost without him.
Are you mixing up Sandusky wit Suduko?
mick, that’s yet to be verified. I don’t know if you saw my post earlier about the Penn State attorney who reviewed the 1998 charge brought too the Penn State police also being the attorney for the Two Mile? He reviewed the Penn State police statements for the University before they were sent to the DA. And Gricar dropped the charges due to lack of evidence. I wonder if what the police submitted to the scum conflict-of-interest attorney was the same report the attorney submitted to the DA.
This couldn’t stink any more. This has gone beyond the bounds of believabiity, and it’s just the beginning. Penn State will be financially destitute before this is all over.
Blake,
He can do that in spring training. Maybe start him in Scranton and give Sizemore LF. As soon as Sizemore gets injured, call up Cespedes.
The Yankees should be able to get something good for Gardner. Lots of teams need a leadoff hitter. Lots of teams also need a center fielder.
I don’t see Papelbon making much difference for the Phillies….Madson was good last year for them. They didn’t address a need with that move….and they could have had Madson cheaper and without giving a draft pick (if they have to)
penn st is just another huge high school type clique that this society thrives upon…look at what goes on in the workplace, religion…..conformists need the security afforded by false gods
Is it wrong I’d be more interested in exploring Sizemore than Cespedes? Or maybe I should say I’d be more curious about Sizemore..
mick – Once I heard the thing about the wealthy donors the magnitude of the cover up at least made a little more sense.. even typing that just made me sick.
Can’t see Sizemore coming to the Yanks. He’s looking for a situation where he can build his value back and play every day and the Yankees can’t offer that…..somebody will give him a full time job
mick, that’s yet to be verified.
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are we talking about the same thing?
mick – Once I heard the thing about the wealthy donors the magnitude of the cover up at least made a little more sense.. even typing that just made me sick.
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shame-are you saying you think joe is involved?
I think Sizemore’s brand of full-throttle play is perfect for the Yanks winning tradition. He’s a huge injury risk though…which is where Cespedes comes into play.
I think if you can bring in Sizemore and Cespedes, then Gardner is definitely a valuable trade chip.
Can’t see Sizemore coming to the Yanks. He’s looking for a situation where he can build his value back and play every day and the Yankees can’t offer that…..somebody will give him a full time job
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blake-what about the idea beltre had w/boston? a 1 year deal to re-prove himself?
give him a shot then trade swisher, if he succeeds
Offering Garcia arbitration keeps Noesi in the bullpen IMO, which is part of the problem with it. They need innings from the starters and 5 every 5 days from Garcia doesn’t really help there. Of course it could well be that they’re building Noesi’s innings for trade value. There are scenarios where I wouldn’t mind trading him, but if he stays I’d like to see him in the rotation. He’s wasted as a long man- the game’s already decided by the tine he’s in it…
CC Sabathia
Gio Gonzalez
Ivan Nova
Hector Noesi
AJ Burnett
Trade Hughes + Gardner for something good.
mick, didn’t see an article about a Sux pedophile.
blake, not only is he out on bail, the bail was $100,000 UNSECURED.
I’d read Sandusky was a regular church goer. Do you think he shows his face this Sunday now that he’s out on bail?
I was saying that as far as I know the thing about pimping out the young boys hasn’t been verified. I of course am expecting verification.
check this out trish:
The Boston Red Sox had a sex-abuse scandal eerily similar to Penn State’s. Here is the harrowing, untold story: http://t.co/tjZH5UPO
“I’d read Sandusky was a regular church goer. Do you think he shows his face this Sunday now that he’s out on bail?”
If the deviant sociopath is pleading not guilty, I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes to church and stops everyone at the door to tell them how it’s not true and how he’s being set up by the very kids he tried to help out.
trisha,
that’s very curious indeed.
Bret,
Beltre was healthy though and Boston gave him an every day job…..I don’t think the Yankees can do that with Sizemore…..both Swisher and Gardner have been better than him the last 2 years because he can’t stay healthy.
mick – Not saying he was involved directly with that filth but it would at least shed some light on why so many people went to such great length$ to protect him.
WOW. MARLINS MAKE SUBSTANTIAL OFFERS TO PUJOLS AND REYES
Foxsports.com
Jose Reyes and Albert Pujols in the same lineup?
The Marlins want to make it happen.
The team has made substantial offers to both Jose Reyes and Albert Pujols, according to major-league sources.
Pujols, who has played with the St. Louis Cardinals for his entire 11-year major-league career is this offseason’s prize free agent. The game’s premier hitter and quality first baseman turned down Pujols turned down a nine-year deal in the $190 million to $200 million range to re-sign with the Cardinals last spring.
Reyes, with the Mets for nine years, has been hampered by injuries and limited to just 295 games the last three seasons. When healthy, he is a defensive highlight film and a lineup catalyst. He won’t turn 29 until June.
The Marlins, who today become the Miami Marlins, are coming off a 72-90 season. They finished last in the NL East. Ozzie Guillen has replaced Jack McKeon as the Marlins manager.
Well if Sandusky does show up in church, and the congregation welcomes him, it should make for some interesting sermon !
I think Reyes will sign with the Marlins…..
Sukokis seems to have a Jim Jones hold over the sheep of penn st…the ying to G.Pa’s yang.
Pujols a Miami Marlin?
That must be a HUGE offer.
MLB is pushing this.
blake – On the flip side (aka the ‘highly unlikely events’ side) maybe Sizemore decides he has the best chance of showcasing his skills in a situation where he wouldnt necessarily be expected to be a full time player. He’d likely still get plenty of work if he was actually healthy, the OFers are always getting nicked up. He could play better with a slightly more limited work load and spin that into a better contract for next season… me… straws… grasping…
“That must be a HUGE offer.”
I doubt seriously it’s enough
why would Sadistic want to go out in public unless he wants to get shot?
Blake,
Giving LF to Sizemore is not the same thing as the Sox giving Beltre 3b.
Because you hedge that bet with Cespedes in AAA.
Bret,
if you did that then why not hedge it with Gardner who is healthy and will cost about 8 million less?
masnBen Ben Goessling onMASN
by SI_JonHeyman
RT @rafaelrojasc: VZ Information Minister tweets Ramos has been found safely by authorities at mountains at Carabobo state
11 minutes ago
thank goodness.
Good news: rafaelrojasc: VZ Information Minister tweets Ramos has been found safely by authorities at mountains at Carabobo state
“where I come from men charged with molesting children are held without bail.”
All men charged with sex offenses in Rhode Island are held without bail?
Blake,
Because Cespedes is possibly an upgrade to Gardner. If Cespedes gets 30 million from the Yankees, that’s the bet they’re banking on.
I’m saying, sign Cespedes, put him in AAA (fine).
But sign Sizemore to start in LF because he’s also potentially an upgrade to Gardner if healthy.
You can upgrade LF and score big if Cespedes’ tools translate and if Sizemore can stay healthy. Sizemore will be cheap.
# Shame Spencer November 11th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
mick – Not saying he was involved directly with that filth but it would at least shed some light on why so many people went to such great length$ to protect him.
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shame
depends what you mean by “directly”. is knowing that a man is a pedophile being directly involved?
Philip Magaldi wasn’t held without bail
mick – oh my God, I had never heard that story. How could I have missed it? Because it was kept so quiet and he was protected by the organization. How absolutely abhorrent. And what a perfect real-life example of what happens to most victims of sexual abuse.
“All men charged with sex offenses in Rhode Island are held without bail?”
I can say that all of the cases that I remember reading about have been held without bail. Could there be exceptions? Sure – maybe $$$ or connections. But I don’t really remember any of those. It doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.
To bail someone out you certainly want the amount of bail to be consistent with the severity of the crime. Sandusky got out on $100,000 unsecured bail, despite an indictment with at least 7 counts of child molestation (don’t remember the exact number).
Nor was Robert Marcantonio
You mean when he was charged with perjury and embezzlement?
Or Robert McIntyre
mikey, perhaps you have a little difficulty with reading comprehension, or you are attempting to be a schmuck, or your own prejudice is getting in the way of you seeing straight. I said that $$$$ and power can make a difference.
So why don’t you back off with your religion bullsh*t.
i just cannot believe that joe knew for all these years and let it happen…sort of like that pope that never opened his mouth about the nazis.
trish…say what you mean cuz
I can see someone jonesing with an agenda a mile away.
so you dont think i’m nuts:
Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrar...../pius.html
The point is simple. People who crow the loudest more often than not forget to look what is tolerated and covered up in their backyards. ‘Nuf said
mikey…you sayin trish lives in a secluded little never never land like pen*s state?
mick – the good of the organization supercedes the good of the individual. And the more powerful the organization, the less meaningful the individual. That’s why the Sux protected Fitzgerald. That why Penn State protected Sandusky. And so it appears, Mile Two also protected Sandusky. It’s what you said about false gods. People choose to glorify and adulate superficial things and gods, and they are willing to abdicate morality and turn their backs on all kinds of infractions in the process.
How many people didn’t give a rat about players using steroids because they worshipped the game of baseball and didn’t care about what players were doing as long as they got to see someone whack a ball.
We are society lacking in values and dignity and oftentimes, humanity. That’s what happens when people center themselves in materialism instead of in a higher good.
And the more powerful the organization, the less meaningful the individual.
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Yet the sheep think they are more individualistic than you.
We are society lacking in values and dignity and oftentimes, humanity. That’s what happens when people center themselves in materialism instead of in a higher good.
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Exactly the message of the 60′s.
mick, I’d say we’re dealing with some multiple retread.
To which I say Y-A-W-N.
I told you I could sniff an agenda a mile away.
Go Sandusky yourself, “mikey”.
‘Nuf said.
People choose to glorify and adulate superficial things and gods, and they are willing to abdicate morality and turn their backs on all kinds of infractions in the process.
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Epitomized by the church and their love for children.
Class act. Tell it to your higher good and contribute some more of your material wealth to pay off those judgments and settlements
“Epitomized by the church and their love for children.”
While I’m not exactly sure what you mean, since I am someone who believes in the church and in God, the best I can say is that you are far too bright to paint with such a broad brush.
referring to the sexual tendencies of some clergy
and mick, I’m sure you are including temple in there since I’ve read a lot of not so great things about some rabbis also. I guess you consider that church too?
The point is that there is good and bad in every walk of life. You don’t condemn an entire profession because you find some bad apples.
there hasn’t been a good fight in here in such a long time…the last i remember was the one over the hurricane…ah the good old days.
Interestingly there’s been no fight in here since West Coast Sux fan was ushered out.
I intend too keep it that way.
Now we’ve come full circle. Don’t be condemning the institution
and mick, I’m sure you are including temple in there
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while you don’t see it as much, if at all, you know i am an equal opportunity iconoclast cuz.
“while you don’t see it as much, if at all, you know i am an equal opportunity iconoclast cuz.”
Interestingly there’s been no fight in here since West Coast Sux fan was ushered out.
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why did he/she leave?
I intend too keep it that way.
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e to?
Interestingly there’s been no fight in here since West Coast Sux fan was ushered out.
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it has been boring lately, i think it is deeper than that
I think he was ushered out for his penchant for causing trouble and taking too many unsolicited shots at people. There were certainly enough complaints about him, from what I understand. It appeared that he liked to taunt people and stalk their posts.
Certainly not someone who helped make for a genial atmosphere, something that most people here actually wanted.
Well it was far from boring in the postseason, even after the Yanks were out of it. There’s really not that much going on right now. I think it’s understandable.
The Penn State stuff has at least kept some of us connected and talking.
The Yankee stove isn’t even luke warm, so there’s not a ton of hot stove stuff jumping off.
maybe he got tired of it…
I guess that’s possible.
Well I think I’ll go turn on SportsCenter and see what’s new with Penn State. You know that we’ve only see the tip of the iceberg. What a strangling power Paterno and Penn State had over that entire region, such that there was an overarching conspiracy of silence.
Penn State better hope it has beaucoup bucks in their coffers. 20+ young men will soon own Penn State.
Talk to you tomorrow, mick.
cant figure this place out…people just hit and run and don’t engage…bunch of frustrated writers i guess….too bad we can’t get paid for this…maybe we’re better off…chad doesn’t seem to like it.
loose cannons…
Nothing like more PSU obsession huh ? What a joke……………………BORING and DULL.