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Report: Papelbon signs with Philly

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 11, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Looks like the Red Sox lost their closer.

Jim Salisbury is reporting that Jonathan Papelbon has agreed to a four-year deal with the Phillies. The deal is reportedly worth roughly $50 million.

For the sake of comparison, Rafael Soriano chose not to opt out of his contract, which pays him $25 million the next two years. Obviously a good — and easy — decision by Soriano.

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71 Responses to “Report: Papelbon signs with Philly”

  1. blake November 11th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    Can Papelbon hit? If not this really doesn’t help the Phillies much and they lose their first rounder.

  2. Erin November 11th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    BobKlap Bard held #Yankees to .156 average this year, but his September numbers were hardly inspiring: 0-4, 10.64 ERA #Red Sox #Phillies

  3. LGY November 11th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Blake

    They’ll get the pick back for Madson.

  4. ctyankeefan. November 11th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Im just happy I dont have to see about Papelbon until the postseason from now on!

  5. Nick in SF November 11th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Papelbon might not be able to hit, but we know that he’s the Lord of the Dance.

    The Charles’ loss is the Schuylkill’s gain.

  6. Chip November 11th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    blake November 11th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
    “Darvish is only 25, (younger than Hughes), and has already had 5 straight record setting seasons in Japan.”

    Danks is 26 and has 4 straight solid years in the big leagues. I want them both nut im greedy.

    —————–

    Yankees have enough to get Danks but I don’t think anyone here would actually like the eventual price tag.

    I mean you’re talking about a young, solid, LHSP – the conversation starts with Montero and Betances and focuses on what else goes to Chicago with them.

  7. Chip November 11th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    LGY November 11th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
    Blake

    They’ll get the pick back for Madson.

    ————

    I don’t know if I would rather see Boston overpay for Madson or shorten their pen by handing the job to Bard. Either way, it’s a bad deal for the Sox.

    It will also blow the asking prices for all other free agents out of whack – almost as badly as the Benoit deal did last year.

  8. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Chip-

    No one is gonna give up that kind of quality for a rental player IMO.

    If they do they’re pretty stupid.

  9. LGY November 11th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    Montero, Betances, + for one year of John Danks coming off a down season?

    No way!

  10. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    You know what’s really funny.

    Philadelphia keeps spending all this money and they still can’t win a WS.

    :)

  11. Chip November 11th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    MTU November 11th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
    Chip-

    No one is gonna give up that kind of quality for a rental player IMO.

    If they do they’re pretty stupid.

    ———–

    Well anyone trading for Danks is likely doing so with the intention of re-signing him. And this isn’t a case like CC Sabathia, Johan Santana or Cliff Lee where the team has to trade the guy because they basically know that they are going to lose him – Chicago is perfectly able to re-sign Danks if they want to so they’re likely going to want to be blown away to move him .

  12. blake November 11th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    Chip,

    That’s not realistic……Kenny deals pretty straight.

    LGY,

    I think the Sox might go after Nathan….is he a Type A?

  13. Chip November 11th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    LGY November 11th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
    Montero, Betances, + for one year of John Danks coming off a down season?

    No way!

    ————

    I happen to agree with you which is why I don’t have any dreams of Danks in Yankee pinstripes.

  14. Bret The Hitman November 11th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Don’t look now but Boston is sitting on a wad of cash with Papelbon officially off the books, Mike Cameron, JD Drew, Marco Scutaro, Tim Wakefield, Jason Varitek, Okajima and possibly Big Papi.

    They could put Reddick in RF, Lowrie at short and make Bard the closer.

    That would leave them big money to splurge on a big bat.

    I expect one of Reyes, Fielder or Pujols to be in Boston.

    Reyes makes sense for them because they can switch Lowrie to 3b and DH Youkilis before he completely breaks down.

  15. blake November 11th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    You might have to include Betances to get Danks….especially if Texas throws their hat in.

  16. LGY November 11th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    I happen to agree with you which is why I don’t have any dreams of Danks in Yankee pinstripes.

    —–

    I’m saying no way as in no way the asking price even approaches that.

  17. Chip November 11th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    blake November 11th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
    Chip,

    That’s not realistic……Kenny deals pretty straight.

    LGY,

    I think the Sox might go after Nathan….is he a Type A?

    ——————-

    Blake –

    Why isn’t it realistic?

    Kenny doesn’t have to move Danks. And he is a very good, left handed pitcher entering his prime years. If I was the GM and Danks was my player I would aim high too.

  18. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    Chip-

    When a guy has the option of testing FA for the very 1st time there is a decent chance the acquiring team will lose him to someone else.

    That’s high stakes poker. Not wise.

    As far as what the WS want well that’s one thing.

    As far as what they might get that’s another.

    Maybe Nolan Ryan is dumb enough to try it ?

    Give up some real quality prospects like Shelby Miller, or Matt Purke and then pray that he can convince Danks not to go elsewhere.

    Lot’s of luck with that.

    ;)

  19. Chip November 11th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    LGY November 11th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
    I happen to agree with you which is why I don’t have any dreams of Danks in Yankee pinstripes.

    —–

    I’m saying no way as in no way the asking price even approaches that.

    ———–

    Why not?

    Again, I don’t think you can look at the returns that the Twins got for Johan, the Indians for CC or the M’s got for Lee as comparables. None of those teams (except maybe Seattle) had the financial ability to keep their player – they were forced into a situation where they had to deal from a position of weakness. Chicago’s not in that situation. Kenny Williams can simply sit back and say “no, these offers do nothing for me, I’ll just re-sign Danks instead.”

  20. Jetrer November 11th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    No way Danks brings Montero. Danks has only been about an average pitcher, and only has one year to free agency. Maybe they give up Bettances, but no way Montero for Danks.

  21. Chip November 11th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    MTU November 11th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
    Chip-

    When a guy has the option of testing FA for the very 1st time there is a decent chance the acquiring team will lose him to someone else.

    That’s high stakes poker. Not wise.

    As far as what the WS want well that’s one thing.

    As far as what they might get that’s another.

    Maybe Nolan Ryan is dumb enough to try it ?

    Give up some real quality prospects like Shelby Miller, or Matt Purke and then pray that he can convince Danks not to go elsewhere.

    Lot’s of luck with that.

    ————-

    A) Purke stinks – he’s still probably injured

    B) After what happened with Cliff Lee I don’t see Ryan going that route a second time.

  22. blake November 11th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Chip,

    He doesn’t have to move him no…..but he’s going to make 7-10 million next year and they want to trim payroll…..if they aren’t going to be able to sign him then they probably would like to move him this winter. Nobody is going to give their top prospect….and certainly not 2 of them for a rental coming off a down year. Danks is a good pitcher but he’s not a #1….he’s a solid 2 or 3. He can aim high…..sure…..but he won’t move him if he aims that high. That would be like Texas putting Profar and Perez in a deal….not happening.

  23. Jerkface November 11th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Cliff Lee didnt even bring Montero+Betances level of talent

  24. ron November 11th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    I would not trade betances alone for danks when freddy garcia had a better year.

    Try to pull off a big trade for a hamels,cain,etc…

    If not go with what we have & sign hamels or cain after the 2012 season.

  25. blake November 11th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    “Danks has only been about an average pitcher”

    this just isn’t true.

  26. Bret The Hitman November 11th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    I don’t think the Phillies will let Hamels go for nothing. Same with the Giants and Cain.

  27. Bret The Hitman November 11th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    It would be a huge blow to the Phillies if they allowed Hamels to reach free agency before dealing him or extending him. Same for Cain.

  28. Bret The Hitman November 11th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Same for the Dodgers and Kemp.

  29. Jetrer November 11th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Blake:

    Danks career 54-56, 4.04 ERA, 4.14 FIP, 4.12 xFIP

    maybe slightly above average (barely), but certainly nowhere near ace level or good enough to command 2 top prospects

  30. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    Chip-

    I really don’t care if the WS trade Danks to us not. They are in no position to demand high end talent for a rental.

    If they do, I wish them luck finding a sucker to deliever that high end talent for a rental.

    We do not HAVE to have Danks. He is not a must.

    If some other team wants to go that route best of luck to them.

    ;)

  31. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    edit: or not. sorry.

  32. ron November 11th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Danks 2011 season was not pretty.

    He was probably a number 2 or 3 before that but cashman is not going to trade betances or montero,nova or any other top prospect for him.

    There also were several number 2 pitchers better than him,if you wan’t to call him a number 2 in years past.

    Lester alone blows him away.

    Imo cashman is going to make sure that pitcher we get is better than the one we lose or else he will just sign pitchers for debth.

  33. Erin November 11th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    DKnobler Red Sox will be in on both Madson and Heath Bell, source says. Not committed to Daniel Bard as closer yet.

  34. Chip November 11th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Jerkface November 11th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
    Cliff Lee didnt even bring Montero+Betances level of talent

    ————–

    Because the Yankees backed away – Seattle wanted Montero, Nova, Nunez and more for him.

  35. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    I want to steal Matt Moore away from the Rays.

    Hey. A guy can dream can’t he ?

    :)

  36. Jerkface November 11th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Because the Yankees backed away – Seattle wanted Montero, Nova, Nunez and more for him.

    Uh Montero, Nova, Nunez != Montero+Betances+more.

  37. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Blake-

    Just curious. Just for argument’s sake. purely hypothetical.

    Similar package required. You can have both longer term.

    Who do you take.

    Gio or Danks ?

  38. Jerkface November 11th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    And Cliff Lee did not bring that value at any point in his trade history!

  39. Chip November 11th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Blake,

    I get what you’re saying about them wanting to trim payroll and Danks being a free agent – but wouldn’t it make more sense in that case for Kenny Williams to keep Danks who is young and good and just not make an effort to re-sign Jake Peavy and/or Gavin Floyd?

    I mean letting those two go at the end of the year is right around $30 million in savings right there. Throw in AJ’s expiring $6 mil and maybe find someone to take Thornton and that’s more than enough to keep Danks.

  40. Bret The Hitman November 11th, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    Chip,

    I agree. Kenny Williams does not have to move Danks. There’s plenty of money sitting there if/when KW severs the ties with Peavy and/or Floyd….not to mention Pierzinski and Quentin.

  41. pat November 11th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Jayson Stark usually well connected in Philly saying Pap’s deal with a vesting option which could make it 5 years and in excess of $60 million dollars.

    GB-
    Saw this tweeted by Stark and thought of you………we’ve overblown the ability of steroids to turn Joe Schmo into a Hall of Famer http://bit.ly/smcRQ0

  42. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    Bret-

    Williams dangling a lure ?

    Only a sucker would give up top prospects for a rental.

    Who knows maybe some team is desperate and stupid enough to try it.

    It won’t be the Yankees.

    ;)

  43. Irreverent Discourse November 11th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Danks is also not CC, or Santana, or anywhere close to them.

  44. Erin November 11th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    fran_cervelli Let’s go VINOTINTO my Venezuelan soccer Team the best #FF

  45. Bret The Hitman November 11th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    MTU,

    Texas would overpay if they lose CJ Wilson IMHO. They have a deep farm. They would require immediate help in their rotation the second CJ Wilson were to sign with someone else.

  46. Chip November 11th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    MTU -

    I think that’s probably the case – I mean it’s good business for Williams. If someone blows him away with an offer – great. If not – well that works for him too.

    I think the more expensive and thin the pitching market gets the better position Kenny is in.

  47. 108 stitches November 11th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    The safe move is Mark Buehrle who is a Type B free agent and won’t cost immediate prospects. If Cashman goes hard after him and fails because Buehrle wants to stay in the mid-west THEN go after Danks but no deal unless Cashman gets a 72 hour window to sign him into his FA years.

  48. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    Bret-

    You might be right under those circumstances.

    Williams should ask for Neftali Feliz , Shelby Miller, +

    May as well reach for the stars.

    If Texas gets fleeced it doesn’t bother me one bit.

    :)

  49. djsunyc November 11th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    the winner in all this is the bluejays – if the sox don’t replace papelbon, then the bluejays have a shot at the postseason next year. i would love for them to sign fielder or pujols and really put on the pressure…

  50. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Chip-

    Fortunately we’re competitive right as we sit.

    An upgrade would be nice but it isn’t mandatory IMO.

    108-

    I’m with you. if we get Danks it should include a negotiating window.

    I like the idea of Beurhle too if he can be had on the right terms.

  51. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Rumor has it that the Jays might be big players if Darvish posts.

  52. Melk Man November 11th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    PeteAbe
    Man, the Bobby Jenks signing really looks good now.

    PeteAbe
    Given what is now sure to be a silly market for closers, #RedSox should use Bard to close.

  53. rm November 11th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Yanks have 2yrs/25 MM$ left on Soriano’s contract. It seemed stupid when they did it last year but he may actually have some trade value in this market.

  54. Jerkface November 11th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    They can’t be any more big players than any team in posting. The Yankees just need to make a strong bid. If they lose so be it, but its not like the Jays wanting to be ‘big players’ guarantees them anything.

  55. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    On another front.

    Does anyone think we are gonna scoop up any of the Cubans ?

  56. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    If the right deal came along I’d get rid of Soriano faster than you can say g-o-n-e.

    ;)

  57. BronxBorn November 11th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    MTU… sorry I did not say hello earlier.. had to run out.. Good to see you my friend.

  58. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    JF-

    It just means that the Jays will make a strong bid. That’s all.

  59. yanks 27 November 11th, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    Bret – There are already reports in LA that Kemp and the Dodgers have made considerable progress on an extension. I never thought he was realistic anyway – either he would stay in LA (and how many athletes like leaving LA, especially a guy with a celebrity-life like Kemp?) or they would deal him to a team who could sign him.

    Cain… eh, he’ll probably be shopped but I could see SF just letting him expire IF they are in a playoff run next year and they can’t afford to trade him at the deadline.

    Hamels is interesting. You have to figure that PHI will have somewhat of an idea what it takes to sign him and wouldn’t be spending as frivolously as they have the last couple of years if they couldn’t fit the most important piece under the tree too. Maybe he is willing to take a discount.

    I think we have to assume that it isn’t always about the money as much as it was. It’s funny – the players that we have no room for (Reyes, Pujols, Fielder, the other closers, etc.) want top dollar, yet the guys we might have our eyes on might not be available because they take less or don’t reach FA at all.

  60. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    BB- likewise.

    :)

  61. rm November 11th, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Joba may also suddenly have trade value beyong his worth to the Yankees. Robertson too but somebody would really have to blow us away with an offer.

  62. Jerkface November 11th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    It just means that the Jays will make a strong bid. That’s all.

    The Yankees should be bidding as if anyone 1 team is going to make a strong bid

  63. Warning Track Power November 11th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Pap to the Phillies. That’s wonderful. I guess the Yankees can now cross off the red sox & phillies from contending teams next season.

  64. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    JF-

    I think the Jays might outbid the Yankees. It was said they are very motivated.

  65. blake November 11th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Chip,

    if they thought they could sign him they wouldn’t….if they trade Danks then that says he’s probably leaving anyway and they want to get value for him while they can.

    Jeterer,

    Those numbers are misleading as he had a horrible rookie season. Don’t look at career numbers on a 26 year old…..look at the last 4 seasons…..3 and a half of which were very solid. Danks would have probably won close to 20 games in 2008, 2009, and 2010 if he had been with the Yankees.

    MTU,

    same cost to acquire I would take Gio because he’s controlled a lot longer and is cheaper.

  66. DONNYBROOK November 11th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    All you gotta do is look at Danks declining stats over the last 3 season to know why Kenny Williams is willing to trade the guy. Facing weak NL lineups is where Danks needs to go, and would also net the W\Sox the most in return.

  67. MTU November 11th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Goota go.

    There’s a new thread for ya’ —->

  68. blake November 11th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Danks had a down year last season…..the 3 before that were very solid. He’s not been declining on a trend and he’s 26 years old….about to hit prime age.

  69. David in Cal November 11th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    I think Papelbon and Soriano are way overpaid. Grantee they pitch some high leverage innings, but they may only pitch 60 or 70 innings. Also, relief pitchers are notoriously erratic from season to season (except for Mariano).

  70. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 11th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    blake, MTU, jerkface, LGY, et al (who are interested in the PSU case)

    I don’t know whether you heard this but in 1998, the date of the first known incident, the mother of the victim reported it to the PSU police and PSU’s attorney reviewed the police report on behalf of the University before it was submitted to the Centre County DA’s office. That attorney was also the attorney for The Second Mile and continued to represent them for another 13 years!!!!!

    Penn State might as well fold its tent. I wish I was licensed to practice in Pennsylvania. I could be a rich rich woman.

    So we now know that Paterno was aware of the 1998 incident, as it concerned one of his employees and was reported to the University and reviewed by the University’s attorney. So the troll knew about Sandusky’s proclivities at least going back to 1998, and he knew about them when McQueary came to him in 2002.

    You are wondering why Paterno lawyered up with a criminal lawyer?

    SCUMBAG. Karma will bring around the legacy he deserves.

  71. Tarheel In NYC November 11th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    Next time I hear a Phillies fan griping about somebody buying championships, Imma slap ‘em silly.

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