Notes from Cashman: Trades, relievers and rotation plans
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 15, 2011 
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On this first day of the GM Meetings, Brian Cashman’s most significant conversation might have been a face-to-face meeting with C.J. Wilson’s agent, but Cashman has engaged in trade talks with several teams this winter.
“I’ve got teams expressing interest in varying aspects of our roster from the Major League 25, as well as our stuff in the minor leagues,” Cashman said. “We’re looking at a lot of different potential opportunities, but I don’t think there’s anything to worry about right now. I don’t feel there’s anything close.”
Cashman specifically named four big league players who teams have called about: Nick Swisher, Brett Gardner, Russell Martin and — when asked — Cashman said that, yes, teams have called about A.J. Burnett.
“No one has asked me about Granderson just because he’s a potential MVP candidate,” Cashman said. “I don’t think they want to bother… But those are all tradeable pieces, to varying degrees. Soriano. Robertson. Phil Hughes. I could trade Robbie Cano if I wanted to, I just don’t want to. I don’t want to trade any of these guys, to be honest.”
As he searches for ways to bolster the rotation and add depth to the bench, though, a trade is obviously a consideration. His most valuable trade chip remains prospect catcher Jesus Montero, but that sort of deal remains unlikely.
“I’ve had his name mentioned earlier today in a text message,” Cashman said. “Somebody proposed an idea and said, ‘Hey, if you don’t do this, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.’ … It’s easy for me to trade him, it’s just hard to part with him. So it makes no sense for me to define what I would or wouldn’t do. It’s in our best interests to keep him, and that’s how I’ve always felt unless a unique circumstance happened. (Cliff) Lee was a unique circumstance and prior to that, and post that, nothing has presented itself that would make me think about it.”
• Wilson’s agent, Bob Garber, seems happy with today’s conversation with Cashman. He told Marc Carig that the Yankees have asked for another meeting in New York to talk about Wilson. Garber said that today’s conversation had much more to do with Wilson than Roy Oswalt.
• Cashman is not optimistic about finding a second left-hander for the bullpen: “Do we need a lefty?” he said. “Obviously it would be a luxury to have a left hander, but with Joba coming back you have Soriano, Robertson and Joba, they all get lefties out, so we have I think one of the best bullpens in the game. Can we get it better with an additional lefty? Yeah, but I don’t think so. I don’t think that’s going to be available to us. I don’t predict a successful conclusion to that as we go through the winter.”
• On the rotation: “I expect Hughes and Nova to be in my rotation without a doubt,” Cashman said. “I expect that, but they have to continue earning that spot. Hughes in the end finished out of our pen and kind of got pushed out by circumstance but he’s better than that. He’s a rotation guy… I expect it to be CC, AJ, Hughes, Nova and the rest of it is going to come from that pack below or it will come from an outside source that we have negotiated with or trade for.”
• Cashman confirmed a report that Hughes is once again working with Athletes Performance to improve his conditioning this offseason. It was Hughes’ idea, not the Yankees, but the team is happy about it. “I think physical conditioning got him out of the gate slow when he showed up to spring training, but I don’t think it had anything to do with his season,” Cashman said. “We got him in shape. Him, Joba, we have a few guys on a yearly basis that we put into fat camp. I think (Hughes) was eight pounds over when he showed up for spring training, but we knocked it out, and he took care of it with the extra work in the spring. I don’t think that had anything to do with his season.”
• Cashman still has not heard whether Eric Chavez wants to play next season. He did say that — given the fact Alex Rodriguez clearly didn’t have his timing back — Chavez might have been a better option at third base in the postseason. “Alex belonged there,” Cashman said. “He belonged playing there. Unfortunately, the results didn’t follow.”
• Cashman once again said he’s interested in bringing any of Chavez, Andruw Jones, Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon back to the Yankees, but some of those might price themselves beyond what the Yankees want to spend.
• On keeping players out of Venezuelan winter ball after the Wilson Ramos situation: “I’m not going to worry about something I can’t control,” Cashman said. “It’s home (for some players)… It’s nothing I can control. Unfortunately, Hugo Chavez has created the dynamic down in Venezuela that’s not necessarily good for his people.”
• Cashman said he’s hoping to have time to meet with more agents while he’s in Milwaukee the next day and a half. “I texted a number of them back,” Cashman said. “It’s just trying to find time.”
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Congrats to Coach K. An admirable and worthy opponent.
““We got him in shape. Him, Joba, we have a few guys on a yearly basis that we put into fat camp,/b>. I think (Hughes) was ,b>eight pounds over,/b> when he showed up for spring training, but we knocked it out, and he took care of it with the extra work in the spring.”
Anyone can say it in Milwaukee. Say it in Tampa, Cashman!
teams have called about A.J. Burnett.
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Yes.
oops
re-try:
“We got him in shape. Him, Joba, we have a few guys on a yearly basis that we put into fat camp. I think (Hughes) was eight pounds over when he showed up for spring training, but we knocked it out, and he took care of it with the extra work in the spring.”
Anyone can say it in Milwaukee. Say it in Tampa, Cashman!
We get the idea Nick. WTH was that all about with that guy anyway?
I think (Hughes) was eight pounds over
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I’m confused. Is this some type of reference to his lower body conditioning as Run It Out reports??
If teams have called about AJ then make it happen Cash.
yes congrats to Coach K……..(that was painful)
When was the last time a contending team traded a pitcher of Cole Hamels caliber in season?
Contending teams just don’t trade those kind of assets in season.
Only player in recent memory I can think of is Manny.
“I expect Hughes and Nova to be in my rotation without a doubt,” Cashman said. “I expect that, but they have to continue earning that spot. Hughes in the end finished out of our pen and kind of got pushed out by circumstance but he’s better than that. He’s a rotation guy… I expect it to be CC, AJ, Hughes, Nova and the rest of it is going to come from that pack below or it will come from an outside source that we have negotiated with or trade for.”
He didn’t mention Burnett as somebody expected to be in the rotation next year.
“WTH was that all about with that guy anyway?”
That depends on who it really was. Not all outrage on here is for real.
If the yankees do sign CJ wilson, I dont think people will be too upset by it. He does make the yankees pitching staff better.
When was the last time a contending team traded a pitcher of Cole Hamels caliber in season?”
Basically never…..
“That depends on who it really was. Not all outrage on here is for real.”
hmm. definitely somebody you pissed off under another name. The whole grammar thing was weird too.
Blake
I said it before, I really don’t have a problem with Coach K or most of his players (well maybe Reddick, he was a punk at Duke). It’s the student body that is so annoying ( and that’s putting it nicely ).
I heard earlier Battier has the most wins of any Duke player ( over a hundred ). I actually met him a couple of times, and he was/is an extremely nice guy. I’m looking forward to this Kansas- Kentucky game, although I doubt I will stay awake for all of it.
Nick in SF November 15th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
“WTH was that all about with that guy anyway?”
That depends on who it really was. Not all outrage on here is for real.
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did he start up that argument from yesterday again today?
“If the yankees do sign CJ wilson, I dont think people will be too upset by it. He does make the yankees pitching staff better.”
I wont be upset per se…..and short term he would make them better…..but if the deal was for 5/90 or so then Im not sure how wise a longterm investment it would be…..between. think that money coukd be better spent elsewhere.
Tar,
I respect them…..but don’t like any of the lot
“Somebody proposed an idea and said, ‘Hey, if you don’t do this, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.’ …
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If you don’t do what?
I think Wilson could help us, but I think that the Yanks should move Burnett to make space for him in the rotation. Having both will make it tough to get the kids some chances.
“Hey, if you don’t do __________, I’d have to ask about Montero”
Nova?
Cain for Nova?
NovaCain?
Blake
haha -Good point. Trust me, I don’t tell that to any of the Dookies around here.
Shin Soo Choo for Nova?
“Hey, if you don’t do Nova (for Choo), I’d have to ask about Montero…and I know you’re going to say no (because you can get more for Montero than my guy Choo)”
Can’t Cashman give us the name of the GM?
Bret The Hitman November 15th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Shin Soo Choo for Nova?
“Hey, if you don’t do Nova (for Choo), I’d have to ask about Montero…and I know you’re going to say no (because you can get more for Montero than my guy Choo)”
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How about Hamels for a bag of balls?
Danks for Nova?
“Hey Bri, KW here, if you don’t do Nova (for Danks), I’d have to ask about Montero…and I know you’re going to say no (because you can get more for Montero than my guy Danks)”
???
“did he start up that argument from yesterday again today?”
No, all I have today are the memories.
If you don’t do Thurman Martin for King Felix……ill have to ask about Montero.
Who is the player that GM would start at before moving to Montero next in line?
Nova is the only name I can think of, not because he’s more valuable than Montero, but because he’s probably the one commodity Cashman won’t budge on since he needs pitching desperately…and trading Nova for a pitcher would be spinning his wheels.
Jurrjens.
“Hey, if you don’t do Gardner (for Jurrjens), I’d have to ask about Montero…and I know you’re going to say now (because you can get more for Montero than my guy Jurrjens)”.
I think Nova’s name fits better than Gardner’s.
Bret,
I think maybe you’re reading a bit too much into that statement
Ghostwriter- that was a good pickup, about Cash not mentioning AJ in the rotation. I’m sure it was completely unintentional – to say it out loud.
It may just be me, but I’d be a little surprised if AJ makes it to Tampa in February.
Blake,
It’s all I’ve got bro. Don’t shatter my dreams
Joe,
Where did Cashman fail to mention AJ? He did here on LOHUD
“I expect it to be CC, AJ, Hughes, Nova and the rest of it is going to come from that pack below or it will come from an outside source that we have negotiated with or trade for.”
“Hey, if you don’t do this, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.’”
That sentence is like crack for Bret. Probably keep him up all night.
j/k I for one dont mind your trade proposals. Dont agree with most of them, but don’t mind any of them.
Just say no to Jurrjens.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....-prospect/
Tar,
It might be the most we’re going to get for the next 3 months
I’m going to have to smoke my supply.
Joe,
Before today, I would have not guessed that Burnett was on the move. However, this interview that Cashman gave today does seem to suggest that AJ might be on the block. Still, it is going to be hard to move the guy. If I had to bet money on it, I would bet that AJ will be with the Yanks next spring.
Part of me likes Burnett a lot: I like how he didn’t quit on himself, and how he was willing to face up to all of the that was thrown at him. However, AJ is an obstacle in piecing together a solid rotation: He’s getting top-of-the-rotation money, but he pitches like a journeyman. This just screws up everything…
Tar November 15th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
“Hey, if you don’t do this, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.’”
That sentence is like crack for Bret. Probably keep him up all night.
j/k I for one dont mind your trade proposals. Dont agree with most of them, but don’t mind any of them.
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LOL! How about this:
“Hey, if you don’t swap wives with me for the night, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.’”
Joe,
I agree. I think if somebody is willing to take him then you have to pull the trigger at this point….they just have too many other options
If he’s already committed to Hughes-Nova-AJ in the rotation, then only one spot is left. I’d bet that is Garcia.
kenny williams will try to get Montero for Danks but will settle on Romine. (at least that’s how it plays out in my head)
@PeteAbe Pete Abraham
#RedSox have a meeting tonight with Fern Cuza, David Ortiz’s agent.
16 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
REZ12 November 15th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
If he’s already committed to Hughes-Nova-AJ in the rotation, then only one spot is left. I’d bet that is Garcia.
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He saod that he was committed to CC, Hughes, and Nova. He didn’t mention AJ when he discussed next year’s rotation.
Cash really needs to sell Nova high. High contact, low K, mediocre control guy = not a good fit for us.
I’d love to get rid of Hughes instead, but I doubt he could bring back anything useful – Nova could.
Trade Nova/Romine/Warren or something for a young bat. Sign Wilson or Darvish and then let Burnett/Hughes/Noesi/Garcia or whomever fill out the rotation in ST
“Cash really needs to sell Nova high. High contact, low K, mediocre control guy = not a good fit for us.”
this is backwards thinking.
Actually Bret I think Cash let out more than usual with that sentence. My thinking is the guy in question is Romine or another catcher.
Hey if you don’t do this trade Cervelli or Romine or ?, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.’”
Cashman: “If all of our guys worked as hard as Alex, I wouldn’t need to have a fat camp.”
Perhaps combine Camp A-Rod with fat camp and just have a few more report to Miami in January.
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#rangers intend to make feliz starter. hear he didn’t come back out to close 2nd time partly bec he was so rattled blowing 1st lead
6 minutes ago
Don’t know why he committed to Hughes already, TBH. He should have kept everyone on their toes coming into ST ready to battle it out and made sure they all came into camp in shape and hungry. Even though we know AJ is getting a spot if he’s still here, I wouldn’t have guaranteed him anything either.
I’m still surprised a GM would start a conversation on some player over Montero and then switch to Montero as his second option.
Gotta be Nova.
I agree with Tar….if that statement meant anything it was probably referring to trading another catcher.
They could put Prince through fat camp and then put him in RF…….
According to Carig (or the way Carig inferred the agents’ statement), Wilson AND his agent are meeting Cash in NY, not just his agent.
Yank 97 – Yes, absolutely. Nova overachieved last year anyone can see that, and pitcher of his profile (low k, high balls in play, “effectively wild” control) are not generally successful on the long term.
Doesn’t Wilson have an apartment in NY?
Love that quote pat.
I know some are tired of the subject, but as someone noted earlier, it’s not going away while new info keeps coming out everyday. I just saw this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11.....=1&hp
saying that Paterno transferred title of his house to his wife in July. The only reason I can see to do that is to shield it from potential creditors/plaintiffs.
Nova sinks the ball generates a lot of ground balls…which helps mitigate his K rate…..also if he continues to develop his slider then he could get more swings and misses in the future.
You don’t trade a young pitcher just because he wasn’t perfect in his rookie season….that’s very counterproductive unless the return is substantial.
Tar November 15th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Actually Bret I think Cash let out more than usual with that sentence. My thinking is the guy in question is Romine or another catcher.
Hey if you don’t do this trade Cervelli or Romine or ?, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.’”
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There is no way of knowing. We don’t have enough information to figure this out.l Bret’s guesses are just as good as yours…
“I expect it to be CC, AJ, Hughes, Nova”
As do I.
And I always get my way.
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
Some #yankees believe cj wilson wants to be in ny. but some nyy types see him as a No. 3
2 minutes ago
of course…..he wants them to open up the wallet.
Clare November 15th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Love that quote pat.
I know some are tired of the subject, but as someone noted earlier, it’s not going away while new info keeps coming out everyday. I just saw this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11…..=1&hp
saying that Paterno transferred title of his house to his wife in July. The only reason I can see to do that is to shield it from potential creditors/plaintiffs.
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Maybe it’s a retirement thing.
Tar November 15th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Actually Bret I think Cash let out more than usual with that sentence. My thinking is the guy in question is Romine or another catcher.
Hey if you don’t do this trade Cervelli or Romine or ?, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.’”
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That’s a possibility.
But how would the GM know Cash is going to say no unless Cash first knows the name of a player that GM is offering. By saying “you’re going to say know” could imply that there’s a player’s name being discussed between Cash and the GM before the text message arrives.
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
Continue to believe #Yankees are lukewarm on Wilson because, among other things, don’t want to go 5 or 6 yrs on him
4 minutes ago
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
CJ Wilson and agt have asked to visit #Yankees in NY b4 Dec 5 Winter Meetings and Yanks are considering request
11 minutes ago
This has to be a collective baseball IQ of about 10.
“PeteAbe Pete Abraham
Meanwhile, Henry, Werner and Lucchino are sitting down now with #Yankees president Randy Levine at the lobby bar.”
“Meanwhile, Henry, Werner and Lucchino are sitting down now with #Yankees president Randy Levine at the lobby bar.”
think tank in session.
trisha – true pinstriped blue November 15th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
“I expect it to be CC, AJ, Hughes, Nova”
As do I.
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I read that that three times, and each time Id didn’t see AJ’s name until just now.
I’m going to bed!
Clare – VERY interesting! I don’t see any other way to read it. They knew this grand jury stuff was looming, and Paterno knew that he knew what he knew (if you know what I mean!) I’d say the man definitely still has tools in his toolbox and I never bought that at the age of 75 (or whatever the quoted age) he was losing the ability to realize how wrong certain things were.
I think if someone had come up to him and said “Joe, I just saw some man having sex with your grandson (if he has one) in the shower!” Joe probably would have fully comprehended just how wrong that was.
It’s unfortunate for Feliz. He really didn’t blow that lead in the 9th. The ball should have been caught.
Anyway, Joba just posted a twitter link to one of his workout sessions. It looked like an intense upper body/shoulder exercise. Between a new elbow ligament and all of this rehab work, I can see him reverting back to ’07 dominance.
“There is no way of knowing. We don’t have enough information to figure this out.l Bret’s guesses are just as good as yours…”
No way man— my guesses are factual.
Just trying to read between the lines with the available information. I really do think Cash let out more than he meant to. And my guess is it was a catcher that another GM was inquiring about.
Ghostwriter,
Don’t see why it would be related to retirement. According to the article it was jointly owned before July.
“Meanwhile, Henry, Werner and Lucchino are sitting down now with #Yankees president Randy Levine at the lobby bar.”
Ironic that they are meeting at a bar….
Ghost –
I can’t see the Yanks letting go of AJ. And I still have a ton of faith in him.
Do I understand those who get excited when they see that teams have been asking about him? Of course I do! Can I understand those who have absolutely given up on him? Yes!
I’m just not one of them.
blake November 15th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
“Meanwhile, Henry, Werner and Lucchino are sitting down now with #Yankees president Randy Levine at the lobby bar.”
think tank in session.
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More like baseball’s “Skank Tank”, reported by the head skank.
Maybe they’re in the process of trading Joe DiMaggio for Ted Williams.
Maybe Henry will hire Levine away from the Yankees to negotiate all their new contracts.
Ghost, and what possibly could that have to do with retirement? (Serious question. Maybe I’m just not thinking of it.)
“Maybe they’re in the process of trading Joe DiMaggio for Ted Williams.”
NYYs almost made the DiMaggio/Williams trade, but, the one they should have made and talked about was Tommy Tresh for Carl Yasztremski back in 1965.
Clare November 15th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
Ghostwriter,
Don’t see why it would be related to retirement. According to the article it was jointly owned before July.
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I don’t know; it was just a guess. Sometimes the tax laws can be weird, creating all sorts of perverse incentives. I’m not an attorney, but I’m pretty sure that Mrs. P. would be just as liable for her husband’s debts as her husband, if a judgment went against him.
trisha – true pinstriped blue November 15th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
Ghost, and what possibly could that have to do with retirement? (Serious question. Maybe I’m just not thinking of it.)
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I’m just looking for the simplest explanation, because it’s usually the best one. The point is that there is a lot more about those people that we don’t know than we do know. I’m not anxious to jump to any conclusions.
Tar,
This is an expanded version of the quote:
“Somebody proposed an idea and said, ‘Hey, if you don’t do this, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.’ …”
It seems to imply that there’s a player Cashman is interested in but the GM holding that player wants too much. The other GM seems to be acknowledging that his demands are too high by presenting the possibility “if you don’t do this”. Then he asks about Montero just to remind Cashman that his asking price could be even worse than the original proposal. The GM tries to show a contrast between his original demand (Nova) and his final last ditch effort (Montero) so that his asking for Nova doesn’t seem too far fetched, unfriendly or offensive.
I think it’s Danks.
The one Red Sox I liked to watch was Yaz. I never knew about the Tresh trade possibilities. That would’ve made those dark years brighter.
It could be Felix.
Mac, I believe that the Yanks backed out because Kubek announced his retirement and other than Tresh, the Yanks had no other shortstops.
Not Felix.
The Mariners GM stated he knows Cashman would not trade Montero for his player. So this is a player not even close to being worth Montero.
I readily admit Tresh looked like a coming star to me. What happened to him? Injury?
Mac, knee and hand injuries
“Somebody proposed an idea and said, ‘Hey, if you don’t do this, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.’ …”
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Translation:
I’ve been discussing John Danks with Kenny Williams. He proposed a trade idea involving Nova and said “Hey, if you don’t do Danks for Nova, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.”
Bret
I see it differently.
The other GM makes a proposal for catcher X, And than says
“Hey, if you don’t do this ( trade for catcher X), I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero”
My translation is if you don’t trade one of your lesser catchers, I have to check on what it would take to get Montero.
GB,
I still remember Tresh’s rookie triple crown stat line. It seemed he was on the path to stardom. Back then, I expected them.
“I’ve been discussing John Danks with Kenny Williams”
I could be wrong, but I think this kind of thing is frowned upon in the GM world.
“Doesn’t Wilson have an apartment in NY?”
He’s not dating his NY apartment anymore.
“I’m just looking for the simplest explanation, because it’s usually the best one. The point is that there is a lot more about those people that we don’t know than we do know. I’m not anxious to jump to any conclusions.”
While I can’t fault you for that, I do think it is a very good guess that his transfer had to do with this situation. In fact, there is no logical explanation for a transfer. None whatsoever. None.
I’m someone who looks at mounting evidence and can’t help but seeing things take shape. Just like Roger Clemens, when I was criticized for saying the evidence was overwhelming. Well it was! I don’t fault people for wanting to wait for the justice system to figure things out. But I don’t fault myself either for attempting to figure things out for myself and feeling like I have the ability to connect the dots!!!
Interesting that Cashman mentions Nunez as another outfield option along with infield play.
Tar,
Are you saying that “Somebody proposed an idea” translates to “A GM proposed Cashman make an offer to another team?”
What’s the motivation?
And why would a GM make proposals on behalf of other GM’s when the proposing GM is not involved in that exchange in the first place?
Translation:
I’ve been discussing John Danks with Kenny Williams. He proposed a trade idea involving Nova and said “Hey, if you don’t do Danks for Nova, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.”
Translation: “It’s unlikely that I accept anything less than Nova for Danks”.
Bret The Hitman November 15th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Not Felix.
The Mariners GM stated he knows Cashman would not trade Montero for his player. So this is a player not even close to being worth Montero.
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I was kidding. And you don’t have any rational basis for thinking it’s Danks. It just as easily could have been Swisher for Jurrjens.
austinmac November 15th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
GB,
I still remember Tresh’s rookie triple crown stat line. It seemed he was on the path to stardom. Back then, I expected them.
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Yeah, Tresh, Pepitone, Bouton, Downing and Stottlemyre were supposed to be the next wave. Phil Linz was never more than a utility guy. Only Stottlemyre made it. Pepitone partied his way out of NY and the rest got hurt.
“Are you saying that “Somebody proposed an idea” translates to “A GM proposed Cashman make an offer to another team?”
No what I am saying is a GM make an offer for one of the Yankees excess catchers not named Montero. And than says this
‘Hey, if you don’t do this, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.’
There’s too much room to maneuver between Swisher and Montero and find compromise. It just seems like a huge gap.
No what I am saying is a GM make an offer for one of the Yankees excess catchers not named Montero. And than says this
‘Hey, if you don’t do this, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.’
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OK, let’s plug in a name.
“Hey, if you don’t do this proposed deal for Romine, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.”
That doesn’t make sense.
If Cashman isn’t going to do the proposed deal for Romine, there’s no point in even floating Montero’s name. It’s actually kind of an insult.
I’d offer CJ @ 4 years $60-$72M, and a full no-trade clause. If I have to add more years and/or more dollars, I withdraw the no-trade clause.
CC, AJ, CJ, Hughes and Nova, with Garcia as long-man/spot starter ready to take up the slack should either Hughes or Nova falter.
CC-AJ=CJ
Actually, that’s about right.
trisha – true pinstriped blue November 15th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
“I’m just looking for the simplest explanation, because it’s usually the best one. The point is that there is a lot more about those people that we don’t know than we do know. I’m not anxious to jump to any conclusions.”
While I can’t fault you for that, I do think it is a very good guess that his transfer had to do with this situation. In fact, there is no logical explanation for a transfer. None whatsoever. None.
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If there is no logical explanation for the transfer, then how can you conclude that it is related to this Sandusky situation?
He’s an old man. He’s 13 years older than his wife. He puts the house in his wife’s name to save her the hassle of having to deal with probate when he checks out. It makes sense to me. It makes sense even if the lawyer told him that the transfer wouldn’t help anything: Old people can be stubborn as hell.
If there’s a chance to trade AJ, please do it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know Cashman would have to eat a lot of $$$, but getting anything that could be a plus for him next year would be great. Heck, just dumping him would be a plus !
“If Cashman isn’t going to do the proposed deal for Romine, there’s no point in even floating Montero’s name. It’s actually kind of an insult.’
It doesn’t mean it’s for the same players. It could be completely different parameters. all under the trading off of excess catcher umbrella. Every GM out there knows the Yankees have an excess of catchers. If Cashman doesn’t want to trade Romine for this package,”I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero”.
Tar,
That doesn’t explain why the opposing GM conceded to Cashman, admitting he would refuse to deal Montero without first knowing the player offered from that opposing GM.
On the other hand, if Cash and the GM established a specific name as a topic of trade negotiations, the opposing GM could assume Cashman would say no for that player if that GM wanted Montero for that player.
Without the player name in place, there’s no way to know if Cashman would say no.
The player’s name was in place when the original “idea” was proposed.
“Without the player name in place, there’s no way to know if Cashman would say no.”
The list that would elicit a yes response from Cash is very short. Cash would know ( without a name) just by knowing which GM he was talking too.
Tar,
If the GM knows believes it’s possible that he doesn’t the merchandise for Romine (conceded when that GM presented the notion “If you don’t do this”, it’s counterproductive for that GM to even suggest Montero. That’s just a huge leap in trade value. If he doesn’t have the goods for Romine, the talks should end without a mention of Montero.
Paterno would have kept the house in his name if he thought there was any chance that Cashman would deal Montero for less than a front line starter.
It’s just very, very unlikely.
Cashman said. “Somebody proposed an idea and said, ‘Hey, if you don’t do this, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.’ …”
“If you don’t do this” doesn’t by any stretch mean doesn’t have the merchandise.
A GM calls Cash asking about a catcher ( because he knows the Yankees have an excess) not named Montero and proposes a trade.
Before Cash says yes or no the other GM says “‘Hey, if you don’t do this, I’d have to ask about a guy I know you’re going to say no on, and that’s Montero.’ …” What does he have to lose?
I’ve explained it as best as I can, and I totally concede that I could be way off the mark.
I’m out– goodnight everyone.
I hope that the Yankees pass on CJ unless they can get him at something very reasonable.
Also, I hope that the Sux resign Papi. I would not want to miss seeing the Sux fans boo the crap out of him as he declines from this point on in his career. Guy is cooked.
Nick in SF November 16th, 2011 at 12:13 am
Paterno would have kept the house in his name if he thought there was any chance that Cashman would deal Montero for less than a front line starter.
It’s just very, very unlikely.
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LOL! Well played.
4 years max on CJ Wilson. If he wants to come to NY, let him make the concessions.
Bret,
Montero for Hamels?
And that Montero text comment makes zero sense.
The only deal for a pitcher that’s worth including Montero in is Kershaw…not Hamels.
Just to clarify, Cash’s comment about the Montero text didn’t make sense. I agree it’s unlikely that a GM would try to entice Cash by “lowering his demands” to a Montero-type.
Good deal. Phil spends the off-season at the fat farm. No man boobs this spring.
Just say yes to trading AJ Cash.
Anyone else surprised that a team in the middle of a bankruptcy was able to make such a huge deal ?
Would have thought such a thing might just have been a bit of a handicap.
Oh well. Guess that’s the modern way. Spend money out of an empty pocket.
Mr. Rhapsody-
Odds of Phil Hughes having a big season next year just went up.
“Cashman said that, yes, teams have called about A.J. Burnett.”
Deal!
Cash also said he is not ready to give up on AJ, and he mentioned him right after CC when discussing the rotation.
“Cash also said he is not ready to give up on AJ, and he mentioned him right after CC when discussing the rotation.”
Well he can’t say “this guy stinks please take him off my hands”
true dat Blake, but I think people are reading what they want to happen into his comments
Tim Brown reporting Marlins offered Pujols 9/$225M.
No state income tax and deflated real estate market but you have to play in FL.
Kate,
His comments clearly told me that he was going to trade for Danks, Sign Darvish, trade AJ, and keep Montero…….you didn’t get that
If true that’s a substantial offer to Pujols given the tax situation as pat mentions…..I don’t know if the Cards can/will match that financially. That’s an AAV of 25 for 9…….pretty big offer.
sorry Blake, I am not as smart as you
Playing in Miami probably wouldn’t be the worst thing for a latin player
“sorry Blake, I am not as smart as you”
Oh im sure that’s not true.
I think Cash says something for everyone! LOL
He has mastered the art of saying nothing so well, that everything is left up for interpretation.
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Can St. Lo meet that price on Pujols? Wow. 9 years.
would the Marlins be able to afford Reyes and Pujols both?
pat -
In Florida, for Ozzie.
Blake-
Greedy much.
“Can St. Lo meet that price on Pujols? Wow. 9 years.”
They probably can …..I don’t know if they will. That’s a number that probably wouldn’t end well.
MTU,
You know it
If they signed both Pujols and Reyes then they would really be banking on fans coming to that new stadium…..
Way off topic, but looking at my twitter stuff, and this came up.
The US Government has declared pizza a vegetable. I think I officially give up.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/.....-says-yes/
Pujols is 31? Or thereabouts?
Re: Burnett
I’m sure inquiring teams are thinking along the Derek Lowe lines, which is to say, if the Yankees eat all but $5M per season and accept some org guy in return, then they got themselves a deal.
Yes 31…..looks 33 or 34…..there have been whispers about his age for years.
So Mcquery is saying now that he did contact the police in 02?
“I’m sure inquiring teams are thinking along the Derek Lowe lines, which is to say, if the Yankees eat all but $5M per season and accept some org guy in return, then they got themselves a deal.”
Make that all but 10 million and deal……5 million per for 2 years is a pretty fair price for some team.
well if ketchup can be a veggie, why not tomato sauce?
upstate kate -
AAARGH! Makes me want to scream. I thought so much progress had been made in the area of nutrition since the 80′s.
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The only thing that makes me thing Pujols’ age is legit is that he became a naturalized citizen several years ago, and I thought that kind of information (DOB, etc) was part of that.
well if ketchup can be a veggie, why not tomato sauce?
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Guess the real confusion comes when one goes to his/her local house of pizza and orders the Meat Lovers Pie and the US Government says THAT is a vegetable.
I know my baseball and I don’t care what anyone says.
I KNOW that Bud Selig is a vegetable.
MTU
MTU November 16th, 2011 at 8:16 am
I know my baseball and I don’t care what anyone says.
I KNOW that Bud Selig is a vegetable.
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Add spineless pinata to the list. Bob Costas would make a great Commissioner but he won’t get the job because he makes too much sense with a strong respect for the game.
The MLB owners want a goof like Selig that can be manipulated and molded like silly putty.
Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2011 at 7:55 am
Way off topic, but looking at my twitter stuff, and this came up.
The US Government has declared pizza a vegetable. I think I officially give up.
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Well, as someone who eats way more pizza than she probably should, this is fabulous news.
Villa
Ozzie amuses me. Everytime I see him I hear him calling the Twins “per-on-yas” (piranhas).
Gossip Break: http://tiny.cc/1oipv
I prefer my vegetables with sausage and pepperoni hold the anchovies.
Gossip Break-
“Yankees in the House……At Miami leg of Watch The Throne last night- Alex Rodriguez, CC Sabathia and Jorge Posada.”
pat -
Ozzie is great, as long as he’s not managing in NY.
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It’s technically the tomato paste that’s the veggie, and they’re saying 2T of tomato paste counts as a serving, rather than the 1/2 cup of same that was requested. I think pizza is a fairly healthy food, that could be made healthier with a whole grain crust (some chopped peppers or broccoli on top helps, too). The bottom line is at least the kids eat the pizza and it doesn’t wind up in the trash. But I think calling tomato paste (and ketchup) vegetables really pushes the limits.
And that ends my off-topic opining of the day.
RhapsodyInBlue November 16th, 2011 at 8:29 am
I prefer my vegetables with sausage and pepperoni hold the anchovies.
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Good morning.
Which vegetable is Selig?? Squash? Selig the Squash?
I don’t think the Marlins will get both Pujols and Reyes, unless both are willing to take below yearly market value to play there. The Marlins already have a good 1st baseman.
If the Angels go to 5-6 years for CJ Wilson and he accepts, any interest in Ervin Santana who might be dangled for offense.
And I’ll tell you another thing whiskey and beer are grains and vegatables too.
Very healthy for ya’.
In moderation, of course.
blake November 16th, 2011 at 8:01 am
“I’m sure inquiring teams are thinking along the Derek Lowe lines, which is to say, if the Yankees eat all but $5M per season and accept some org guy in return, then they got themselves a deal.”
Make that all but 10 million and deal……5 million per for 2 years is a pretty fair price for some team.
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As his contract states, Burnett can block deals to 10 teams but what teams ? You can almost rule out west coast teams because of his wife’s dislike for flying.
As for how much the Yankees will eat, it depends on how strongly they feel about his blocking the way for the next 2 years with the good young arms that deserve a chance at making the team as a starter such as Noesi, Phelps, Warren, and right behind them Betances and Banuelos.
The Burnett that’s seen is as good as he’ll ever get with declining velocity among other reasons.
MTU -
All in the interpretation.
108,
Still leaves 20 teams to deal with……with the market fir pitching this winter it wouldn’t shock me for teams to have interest if the Yanks are willing to make him affordable.
If you’re a team and you need a starter would you rather pay Edwin Jackson 3/40 or AJ 2/12 (which is about what it would be if the Yanks ate 20 million). Maybe the Reds or Nationals…..or even Marlins.
Joelsherman1 24 mins Wondered if #Angels would deal Haren if got Wilson, but Dipoto forced to move him with #Diamondbacks, doesn’t want to do again. Big backer
Joelsherman1 26 mins If #Angels land Wilson to team with Weaver/Haren will make Santana available to address offense
Joelsherman1 47 mins Column nyp.st/rsOTCn #Yankees feel pressure to add SP, go to bottom and see what Reyes wants #Mets
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If the Angels go to 5-6 years for CJ Wilson and he accepts, any interest in Ervin Santana who might be dangled for offense.
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I’d be interested, but wonder whether the match is there. LAA needs offense, but it really has to be infield offense or catcher. Yankees obviously have catching depth, but not necessarily anything that’ll help the Angels offense now.