Chavez wants to play next season
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 16, 2011 
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Brian Cashman got a voicemail from Eric Chavez’s agent this afternoon, and the message was simple: Chavez wants to play.
After considering retirement, it seems Chavez would like to give baseball another shot, and his agent is obviously checking in with the Yankees to gauge interest.
“Depends on our payroll situation (and) what he’s looking for,” Cashman said.
In the next breath Cashman added: “I loved everything about him.”
Injuries are an obvious concern with Chavez, and he’s no longer a dynamic, middle-of-the-order bat, but he’s an experienced veteran at a position where the Yankees could use some depth behind Alex Rodriguez. The Yankees have Eduardo Nunez who could backup at third base, but Cashman said he prefers to let Brandon Laird play everyday in third base rather than come off the bench in the big leagues.
Chavez could fit, if the price is right.
champ:
not “official” scouting reports. Rather, takes of his play/prospect ceiling via those who have connections with Cuban baseball and his own personal takes. Being in south florida, he had some insight.
btw, anyone know the last time SJ44 has posted ?
Bret:
ok. kewl
Gary November 16th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Given Brian Cashman’s talk about a conservative offseason approach, would the Yankees owner be surprised if the Yankees made it all the way through the winter without a major free agent addition?
“It’s too early,” Steinbrenner said. “It wouldn’t surprise me if we did. It wouldn’t surprise me if we didn’t. Hate to be vague, but it is mid November.”
Steinbrenner mentioned the same specifics we’ve been hearing all winter — need to bolster the rotation, could use left-handed relief, fairly satisfied with the lineup — and promised to look into every available option.
“We’re pretty close to the team we were last year, which had the best record in the American League,” Steinbrenner said. “We let the fans down in the playoffs. There’s no doubt about it. They know that, I know that, Cashman knows that. But our team from last year is, for the most part, intact. There’s some concerns. We’re going to address them.”
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I feel like we are just hearing the talking points. If he really believes that the team let down the fans and then says there are concerns that need to be addressed, why does he bother saying “It wouldn’t surprise me if we did. It wouldn’t surprise me if we didn’t make any major free agent addition this winter when asked.
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The talking points grate on my nerves. Especially when the Internet turns into an echo chamber for those talking points.
Bret doesn’t know anything about echo chambers
Bret – It’s the same story every year with Cashman. He’ll go out and try and throw top money at the elite talent (Lee, CC, Tex). If that is not available, he’ll go shopping at the dollar store. There is little creativity to him.
If a Granderson like trade is available where he can use his 2nd tier prospects (Tabata, Kennedy, Jackson) to fetch something good, he’ll do it. If he can get a Danks for a Warren, Romine, Phelps, he’ll do it. If he has to surrender anymore, he won’t. He’ll cry poor and go into camp with another unproven rotation. He is very predictable.
With more and more young players signing extensions, he better come up with some creative solutions or be willing to make big trades. Relying on elite talent to hit the FA market won’t cut it anymore. The people who have now moved on to Hamels, Ethier, Cain, etc. are the same ones who were dreaming about Kemp, Upton, Tulo, Weaver, etc when it looked like they would be available. 2 years ago, everyone was drooling about King Felix and Verlander being FA and how there was no way Felix would re-sign in SEA w/ a noncontender and the Tigers couldn’t afford Verlander. They keep setting themselves up for disappointment.
Here’s the thing though – he knows what the team needs and acknowledged that. However, he is only interested in a select few guys on his terms. It’s basically quality guys on his terms or a bunch of question marks that he hopes prove positive. A very boom or bust method to his madness.
97 wins don’t resonate like they used to. Gee, and Boston on the other hand asked for Garcia medicals. The sincerest form of flattery etc
You can put Cespedes through any workout you want…….they wont really know what he is until he gets in the states and faces legit pitching for awhile. I trust the Yankee decision makers…..I just don’t think it would be a great idea to plan on him being an instant upgrade….
Would like to have Chavez back …..don’t think its critical.
Bo knows,
Those kitchen knife accidents tend to linger…
You’re not going to get anything more than the talking points. It is not in the Yankees’ best interests to give anything more.
REZ12,
That’s a spot-on post. I wish I could speak so eloquently from my critical perspective of Cashman.
“It’s basically quality guys on his terms or a bunch of question marks that he hopes prove positive. A very boom or bust method to his madness.”
I get the feeling his colleagues have grown all-too-aware that compromise is not Cashman’s strong suit. I think he takes a stance and sticks with it to a fault. There are instances where if you budge a little and put in effort towards compromise, both parties win out. He likes to put out this notion that he doesn’t want to do “anything desperate” and that gets parroted by fans who invest an extraordinary amount of trust in him. He has done a good job of insulating himself from criticism because he constantly frames non-movement as the product of caution or a conservative, somehow safer approach. Non-movement has become the preference. Potential activity is viewed as panic. Non-movement now equates to avoidance of panic. In this way Cashman has covered up his weaknesses. They are:
Complacency, lack of creativity, inability to compromise so that both parties win…
“Complacency, lack of creativity, inability to compromise so that both parties win…”
Equals…..never missing the playoffs and having a chance at a title every year.
Cespedes wants to play in the show?
” You know you never handle your luggage in the Show — somebody else carries your bags. It’s great. You hit white balls for batting practice. Ballparks are like cathedrals. The hotels all have room service, the women have long legs and brains…the pitchers, they throw ungodly breaking stuff in the Show. Exploding sliders.”
REZ12 -
So, what’s your creative solution?
I like that Cashman doesn’t want to sell tomorrow for an easy buck today. And that he has a scouting staff that he thinks can mine the second and third tier for a gem or two. I forget where I heard or read it, but recently read/heard that the Yankees specifically target the veterans they go after – they look at the guys who were stars, who had talent and experience, not the guys who just managed to hang around.
With Chavez committed to playing again in 2012, he should be the next “get” for Cashman and the Yankees.
“So, what’s your creative solution?”
Montero for Soria part deux and something involving David Dejesus
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Chavez seemed to enjoy his time with the Yankees. Cash spoke glowingly.
Get it done, and concentrate on pitching.
Jones is a question mark for now, having just had surgery.
He has done a good job of insulating himself from criticism because he constantly frames non-movement as the product of caution or a conservative, somehow safer approach. Non-movement has become the preference. Potential activity is viewed as panic. Non-movement now equates to avoidance of panic. In this way Cashman has covered up his weaknesses. They are:
Complacency, lack of creativity, inability to compromise so that both parties win…
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Stupid trades and signings are more of a sign of panic than getting fill-in pieces.
blake -
Blake,
Call me spoiled but 1 World Series win in the past decade is not enough for me.
Definitely could have won more than 1 in the last decade if Cashman had more charisma and creativity.
And, shouldn’t need to be said, but, you are aware that WE are not aware of everything that goes on? I mean, all the calls Cashman fields? All the deals he tries to make that don’t happen? All the deals he is asked to make that he has to hang up on? All the scouting reports he reads? Medical information he has that we don’t? Seriously.
Stupid trades and signings are more of a sign of panic than getting fill-in pieces.
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Case in point. This right here is exactly what I’m talking about when I say that fans have bought into Cashman’s repeating of talking points in the press.
Cashman has successfully framed trade activity as stupid and tinkering as genius.
The Yankees have Eduardo Nunez who could backup at third base, but Cashman said he prefers to let Brandon Laird play everyday in third base rather than come off the bench in the big leagues.
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Does that mean he thinks more of Laird than Nunez? Nunez, a young guy as a back-up only. This is the same guy Cashman didn’t want to trade in the past.
And what does the Yankees winning the World Series do for you Bret? Aside from making you happy until the parade is done?
I love for the Yankees to win the WS. But here are 29 other teams who want and work for the same thing.
Having a team that is in contention for post-season play EVERY YEAR for getting near 20 years is nothing to sneeze at. Not too many teams can say that.
Trading premium prospect talent for middling players is not only stupid, but, reckless. Just because Cashman doesn’t trust your trade propsals doesn’t mean he’s wrong, Bret.
Trading more talent than you’re getting back never works. Position players that want everyday jobs aren’t going to sign on with a team loaded with position players. They have no intentions of riding the bench.
“Cashman has successfully framed trade activity as stupid and tinkering as genius.”
How so?
The Phillies had 4 aces. The Phillies went all out. The Phillies were eliminated in Round 1.
There are no guarantees in baseball.
You can get Albert Pujols, figure out a way to get rid of Teixeira, and Albert can go out and have his worst year ever. And Teixeira, after all his off-season work, will show he’s fixed his swing that’s so troubling to everyone. There are no guarantees in baseball.
The Yankees have a good team. A very good team. It needs some tweaking and it needs some of its players to do some work (which it sure sounds to me like they are aware of and addressing, every one of them), not a complete overhaul.
In my opinion it’s worth signing Chavez just to see a couple of those smooth plays he makes at third base.
This might be the most anti-blockbuster trade fan base in the history of the Yankees.
Cashman has successfully framed trades as always being unfair and pricey so that fans panic whenever they think about player movement and envision horror scenarios where teams want premium prospects for “middling” players.
And just for the record, I am not advocating getting rid of Teixeira.
The guys who had the most creativity last offseason (Theo and Amaro) didn’t fare any better than the Yanks did in 2011.
In fact, both were enormous disappointments – one collapsed in Sept and the other lost in Game 5 to the Cards.
Going into the season, the Yanks weren’t picked by anyone to win the AL East. In fact, many had them missing the postseason altogether.
Cashman has had more success as GM of the Yankees than both Theo and Amaro combined.
You don’t win the season by “winning” the off-season, making splashes and “blockbuster” trades that don’t make sense. You make blockbuster trades if your team needs to be busted. The Yankees don’t. And furthermore, they can’t.
All we fans here about are the opening demands and usually the most absurd opening demands like “Hughes for Reggie Sanders” and “Montero + Nova + Banuelos + Betances” for Jimenez.
We never here about counteroffers and sticking points.
Maybe I misremember but Hank was creative – parlayed a seven year asking price into ten with bonuses.
“This might be the most anti-blockbuster trade fan base in the history of the Yankees.”
The game has changed…..it was either adapt or become old and eventually irrelevant. Yankee fans are better informed than ever before.
Bret,
What’s your blockbuster trade that’s going to get us #28?
I’m still waiting for you to tell me which team is going to trad us their ace to be our #2.
We never hear about missed compromise. It’s always the other team who botches the negotiations. It’s always the other GM’s fault for being too unreasonable. I’m not sure if I buy it.
I’d say that the NY-Detroit-Arizona trade fits into the blockbuster mode. Cashman helped put that deal together and everybody won. All three teams were in the playoffs.
GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Trading premium prospect talent for middling players is not only stupid, but, reckless. Just because Cashman doesn’t trust your trade propsals doesn’t mean he’s wrong, Bret.
Trading more talent than you’re getting back never works. Position players that want everyday jobs aren’t going to sign on with a team loaded with position players. They have no intentions of riding the bench.
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I can honestly say that I’ve never seen anyone who follows the Yanks as close as Bret does to be so completely oblivious and out of touch regarding how top GMs run a major league ball club.
He sets his sights on a name and he’ll repeat it everyday until said player is predictably off the market. Then, it’s to the next guy and so on.
Totally outrageous that 1% of Cashman has brainwashed 99% of the Yankee fanbase into complacency. #occupyhamelsgonzalezsizemorefielderdejesus
m,
You’re questioning me but you should be questioning Cashman. I don’t have 200 million dollars at my disposal. I don’t make 3 million dollars a year. I’m not an accomplice in the status quo business dollar that turns the largest profit off the fan who is content with a roster that is designed for regular season bashing of inferior teams packed with journeymen pitchers and saddled by a lack of resources.
Nunez will get more at bats as the two greybeards progress.
The only beef I have with Cashman is as GBand other posters have stated many times. Upgrade the coaching in the minors. To paraphrase CB – Nunez’s footwork needing fixes in the Majors is a cardinal sin.
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How exactly were Theo and Amaro creative, even? Theo got a sweet deal from San Diego, and Amaro swooped in to steal Cliff Lee, who seemingly wanted to go there in the first place. Am I missing something?
But I do agree with your sentiment that making a big splash (which is what they did, though I don’t think they were creative at all), is no guarantee of anything.
LOVE Chavez.
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LGY – UNBELIEVABLE. I swear to God that just about any other judge anywhere else would have automatically recused her or himself without a flippin’ question! Paternoville and Penn Stateagonia are so distorted and sick that they do whatever the hell they want – NO QUESTIONS ASKED, NO ONE STEPPING UP THE PLATE TO QUESTION ANYTHING.
An entire sick stepford community. I still can’t even believe this is happening.
That’s why Paterno had to be canned and I hope they find a way to hold him civilly liable. He is one man that was more powerful than the governor and he is one man who intentionally turned his back once he performed the perfunctory task of telling the two stooges who were really less powerful than he, even though on the organizational chart they may have been higher.
blake November 16th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
The game has changed…..it was either adapt or become old and eventually irrelevant. Yankee fans are better informed than ever before.
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Agreed. And Bret is the exception.
In fact, I think Cashman was the most creative, going out and finding Colon and Garcia for depth, building a deep bullpen and getting a pretty good bench.
why would Cashman or any GM talk about a trade that didn’t happen. Cashman has no reason to publically announce that he has a certain player he wants moved. You can barely get to admit to making a trade that’s already completed. That’s his way and it works.
edit: business model
I’m not going to respond to hostility. I’m here to talk baseball.
Hi.
I think that if Chavez is re-signed, then it makes it more likely that Eduardo Nunez is made available for inclusion in a deal. So, we should watch for that Chavez signing. It might be a sign that Cash is working on something else.
Amaro has been the boldest GM in the past couple of years. They won in 2008, but despite picking up Halladay, and Lee (twice), they’ve not won with those recent moves. Making big moves doesn’t guarantee anything, other than spending and some short term press notice.
Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Giuseppe Franco -
How exactly were Theo and Amaro creative, even? Theo got a sweet deal from San Diego, and Amaro swooped in to steal Cliff Lee, who seemingly wanted to go there in the first place. Am I missing something?
But I do agree with your sentiment that making a big splash (which is what they did, though I don’t think they were creative at all), is no guarantee of anything.
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You’re right. Opening up your checkbook is not really “creative.”
But in Bret’s eyes, being “creative” translates to making headline moves – whether it’s in the club’s long term best interest or not.
Bret,
I don’t question the Yankees because they know what they’re doing.
What you’re doing is armchair GM’ing. And though you’re an expert on nutrition, I suspect that there is much about being a baseball executive that you don’t know or understand.
It’s a process.
m,
Or maybe Cashman is a better politician than you think.
Amaro also had the advantage with Halladay of being a team outside the AL East.
But I agree, Joe, he has been bold. So has the Blue Jays GM.
I loved Showalter’s take on Theo’s genius “Dumped a boatload of cash on Crawford”.
(Secret admirer of Buck for his Yankee work and principles)
Bret,
Would you prefer the Phillies plan of always getting the best player available…..all the while getting older and less flexible?
Bo, I would like to see the yankee infielders in the system take dance lessons to improve rhythm and footwork. It’s a radical idea, but, as in boxing, skipping rope for hours on end does close to the same thing.
blake November 16th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Bret,
Would you prefer the Phillies plan of always getting the best player available…..all the while getting older and less flexible?
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That’s a blanket statement. Not all trades make teams older and less flexible.
…another talking point. Thank you for that, Blake.
Bret The Hitman November 16th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
I’m not going to respond to hostility. I’m here to talk baseball.
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hell, if that were the case, you’d never be responding to anybody.
I’m here to talk baseball. I won’t be baited into character assassinations.
Bret The Hitman November 16th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
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That’s a blanket statement. Not all trades make teams older and less flexible.
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No, but many of them do. The Yanks, RS, and Phillies are all “win now” teams.
They are more likely to trade young players for vets than vice versa as a result of their “win now” strategy.
GB
Not that radical as far as dancing. Ukrainian dance evolved from the Cossack battle hopak.
Hmm, Montero should be a natural. All those S American dances.
I think I just lost my train of thought. Rio and the Copa
GF, the angels and to a certain extent, the Rangers, Cards and Brewers are “win now” teams. The Rangers have a strong farm system, but, if that team goes without winning division titles (at the least) that fan base will erode. They’re fighting the Maverick’s, Stars and Cowboys year around for fans.
No, but many of them do. The Yanks, RS, and Phillies are all “win now” teams.
They are more likely to trade young players for vets than vice versa as a result of their “win now” strategy.
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I think it’s the other way around, the Yanks haven’t been willing to trade those young players with the exception of maybe Austin Jackson.
On the Winter League front, Noesi got roughed up in the Dominican game last night. 1.2 innings, 5 hits and 5 runs, though three errors allowed for 3 unearned runs.
GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
On the Winter League front, Noesi got roughed up in the Dominican game last night. 1.2 innings, 5 hits and 5 runs, though three errors allowed for 3 unearned runs.
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What’s your thoughts on Montero? he wanted to play winter ball and as I understand it they said no.
BA and Rio, where male chin drool is socially accepted.
Gary November 16th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
No, but many of them do. The Yanks, RS, and Phillies are all “win now” teams.
They are more likely to trade young players for vets than vice versa as a result of their “win now” strategy.
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I think it’s the other way around, the Yanks haven’t been willing to trade those young players with the exception of maybe Austin Jackson.
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That’s been the case with the Yanks the last few years and I believe that’s a GOOD thing.
As others discussed earlier today, the market has changed and teams are holding onto their youngsters (and locking them up long term). They’ve had to adapt.
But some fans prefer they don’t stand pat and hold onto their youngsters (like The Boss used to do). Some want a guy like Montero shipped off in exchange for someone who is not worth the risk, especially given how special his bat is.
Cashman can’t force the issue and make stupid trades that don’t make a lot of sense.
Mustelier (2-5 with an RBI, double and steal), Joseph (with 2-4 and an RBI) and Segedin (with a 1-3 day) all had good days at the plate and Whitley pitched another scoreless inning in relief ( 1 inning, 1 hit, 0 runs, 1 walk.
The Yankee talent pipeline should be BC and AC as before and after Cash.
“…another talking point. Thank you for that, Blake.”
lol ok. I enjoy your thoughts…..I just don’t agree with most of them.
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
Previous quote on CJ Wilson was from Brian Cashman #Yankees
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“I have no planned meetings (in NY)” so right now CJ wants to come #Yankees holding off
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I don’t feel it’s necessary for Montero to risk injury by catching in winter league games. I’m already worried about his visit home to Venezuela in December to visit family, despite him being watched over by bodyguards.
Bring back Chavez. There is some unfinished business to be taken care of.
I’ll tell you this: Chavez is a better option as a back-up 3rd baseman then anybody the Yankees have in the minors.
Plus, he has that great glove, so as a defensive replacement, are the Yankees losing anything? I don’t think so.
Allow Laird to get everyday at-bats in AAA and keep him there until needed. I don’t expect Laird to become anything but another “AAAA” player.
Unless CJ Wilson tells his agent that he wants to be a Yankee, get it done, there is very little chance he’ll be signed by the Yankees, and even then he’ll be looking at a 4 year guaranteed contract at most.
GB – i’ve been thinking about dance lessons/skipping rope for middle infielders for years. i don’t know if anyone does it, but a trainer that mrs. and i know swears by that kind of thing.
cj is trying to generate some buzz.
Want a good laugh?
Anyone that attended a performing group’s dance practice would appreciate the strength, control and balance. Add in yoga and you can dispense with all the core work and pumping iron.
m -
Sure.
For Bret. http://www.riveraveblues.com
Open Thread: Cole Hamels
By Mike Axisa in Open Thread. Tags: Cole Hamels · Comments (18) ·
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Joe wrote about the idea of trading for Cole Hamels yesterday, and explained why it’s extremely unlikely to happen. The Phillies are in win-now mode, and keeping Hamels in their rotation will help them a lot more than a fistful of prospects and mediocre big leaguers who plug holes. Kevin Goldstein wasn’t having any of that though (or at least his editors weren’t), so today we put together some trade packages that could pry the lefty away from Philadelphia.
He suggested the Phillies look for four pieces in return: a starter to replace Hamels in the rotation, bullpen help, middle infield help, and a low-level prospect with upside. You can read the article at either ESPN or Baseball Prospectus, but you’re going to need a subscription either way. Here is his suggested Yankees trade package….
New York Yankees: Manny Banuelos, LHP; Hector Noesi, RHP; Austin Romine, C; Mason Williams, OF.
Banuelos is one of the best left-handed prospects in the game and, like Hamels, his best pitch is a changeup, but Banuelos has plenty of other offerings. He should be ready at some point in the 2012 season, while Noesi can start or relieve right now. Williams is exactly the kind of young, athletic outfielder the Phillies covet, and Romine could develop into a replacement for Carlos Ruiz. “The Phillies need a long-term catcher, and their top catching prospect, Sebastian Valle, is not a sure thing,” said the executive.
So what do you think; too much, too little, just right? I’d prefer to swap out Banuelos and Noesi for Dellin Betances and either David Phelps, Adam Warren, or D.J. Mitchell, but that’s just me. The Yankees have catching depth and can afford to give up Romine, and I don’t really sweat losing kids in short season leagues, no even ones as good as Williams. He’s so far away, so much could go wrong. Yeah, it’s a lot to give up for one year of a pitcher, but Hamels is one of the best out there and he’s in his prime. Joe explained it yesterday, he’s basically another CC Sabathia, just four years younger.
Anyway, here is tonight’s open thread. The Devils are the only local hockey team in action, so you’re going to be stuck entertaining yourselves tonight. Have fun, talk about anything here.
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MILWAUKEE — Tim Wakefield’s agent issued what amounted to a challenge to the Red Sox this afternoon. Barry Meister said that if the Red Sox don’t bring the 45-year-old knuckleballer back, “he’s going to win 15 games somewhere else.”
via: Extra Bases blog.
Joe from Long Island November 16th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
GB – i’ve been thinking about dance lessons/skipping rope for middle infielders for years. i don’t know if anyone does it, but a trainer that mrs. and i know swears by that kind of thing.
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Joe,
I’ve thought that for years. Without fail, every infielder that’s come through the syste, in the last 25 years or so, except for jeter and Cano have had the same issues…footwork. At the age these kids are, I think that it affects their at bats, too. Never understood having $200 mil dollars worth of minor league talent and then skimping on quality instructors to teach them proper fundimentals.
m -
Okay……..
Promise or threat?
If you could get hamels without giving up Jesus and only one of betances or banuelis you do it and don’t think twice about it.
“he’s going to win 15 games somewhere else.”
lol….that’s funny
Yankee Trader November 16th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
I don’t feel it’s necessary for Montero to risk injury by catching in winter league games. I’m already worried about his visit home to Venezuela in December to visit family, despite him being watched over by bodyguards.
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Trader, I’m with you on that. He got plenty of at bats this year and, the Venezuelan team is not going to concern themselves with his health like the Yankees will. Not only that, but, there are really no catching instructors to work with him. If he was playing for Tony Pena in the Dominican, I’d be more receptive to that.
raymagnetic November 16th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
If you could get hamels without giving up Jesus and only one of betances or banuelis you do it and don’t think twice about it.
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Only with a 72 hour window to extend his contract.
an infielder’s feet are much more important than their hands…..you hear all the time about a guy having “good hands”…..well you can’t have good hands if your feet don’t put you in position to catch the ball properly.
Good and proper footwork always comes first and in many ways it is like a dance step…..it’s about rhythm and timing and making the right steps as the ball is coming towards you.
I wouldn’t trade Banuelos even with an extension for Hamels. If they are willing to trade him then that means he’s set on testing free agency and I’ll take my chances in signing him there.
I’d do some combo around Betances, Romine, Nunez etc…..if they would.
Wake wants to go to Taiwan?
Don’t know if this has been already discussed here, but I just now read where Francona withdrew his name from the Cubs mgr search. My guess is Theo felt the same way about having him there. What i found surprising was his quotes about his not getting the Cardinals job. He said he felt “excited” about the idea of managing the Cardinals. I can certainly see why, taking over the managing of the defending world champions. But his talking about needing to take a step back to decide “what to do now,” it seems to imply he expected to get the Cards position, and it surprised, maybe even stunned him, when he didn’t get it.
I can’t help but to think, “How the mighty has fallen” in such a short a time.
do they know how to hit knucklers in Taiwan?
Mark Feinsand has ballooned up nicely over the past year. If he grows a goatee, he’d be abraham’s twin brother. Even sounds like him.
They would hit those knucklers harder than a steamed bbq pork bun with a side of stinky tofu.
so he wouldn’t win 15 in Taiwan either?
Any possibility of subtituting hughes instead of banuelos or betances.
hughes
romine
mason williams
noesi
Didn’t Jesus get hurt playing winter ball last year?
“Any possibility of subtituting hughes instead of banuelos or betances.
hughes
romine
mason williams
noesi”
that’s a good package of players but from the Phillies perspective it makes them worse for 2012….and given where they are as a team I doubt they’d be willing to accept being worse in the short term.
No huge talent outlay for a 1 year player and especially not players the system is thin in talented outfielders). Constantly wanting to trade Hughes is mind boggling.
“he’s going to win 15 games somewhere else.”
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Did he specify how many seasons that is going to take him?
Constantly wanting to trade Hughes is mind boggling.
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I don’t think its that mind boggling if you look at what Hughes has done as a Yankee?? Whats mind boggling is expecting teams to trade for Hughes.
RAB is right about one thing. Cole Hamels isn’t going anywhere with that trade proposal on the table.
Wake might be my least unfavorite Redsock. For his sake, I hope he goes elsewhere.
Think about it, Tim:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
RAB is right about one thing. Cole Hamels isn’t going anywhere with that trade proposal on the table.
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I know, right?! Cashman needs to stop being so weak!! Betances, Banuelos, Swisher, Montero, Mason Williams. Put that there and theres no way they can say no!! We NEED HAMELS
I think Cain is more likely to be traded than Hamels.
Dear Santa,
I want lincecum, the Cuban and Japanese dudes.
That is all
Xoxo
What’s creative about wanting to trade for every player that if rumored to be available?
I don’t want to trade Hughes…..but I would rather trade him than Betances, Banuelos, Nova, Noesi etc……problem is that other teams would likely rather have those guys also.
Seems like some are confusing creative with impulsive.
As we all know NY is a tough place. It’s not for everybody. The last time things got tough for Cole I seem to remember him wanting the season to end. Maybe I am being a hard a** but I just don’t see a good fit for Cole and the Yankees. He seems more like a West Coast guy to me.
What is funny is fans buying into the idea that the Yankees really care if they win it all. Believe their public statements if you will, the team and it’s owners make plenty of money, front office and players are all filthy rich, and they’re living the good life; wherever they finish.
RI Attorney
Are you from another planet? Have you ever watched a sporting event? What a ridiculous post. .
blake November 16th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
I think Cain is more likely to be traded than Hamels.
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I haven’t followed the Giants, but aren’t they in contention? Why would they trade Cain? Same goes for Hamels. I don’t see the incentive for either team has to trade these guys.
The Phillies will get a deal done with Hamels and the Giants will hold onto Cain until the trade deadline.
Tar November 16th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
As we all know NY is a tough place. It’s not for everybody. The last time things got tough for Cole I seem to remember him wanting the season to end. Maybe I am being a hard a** but I just don’t see a good fit for Cole and the Yankees. He seems more like a West Coast guy to me.
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Philly is hardly the City of Brotherly Love..
“I haven’t followed the Giants, but aren’t they in contention? Why would they trade Cain? Same goes for Hamels. I don’t see the incentive for either team has to trade these guys. ”
yea they are but they aren’t in win at all cost mode like the Phillies are and they don’t have the same level of payroll either. I don’t know if he’ll be traded or not (probably not)…..I just think it’s more likely than Hamels because of the things I mentioned….and because they also have Lincecum to worry about as well.
“Philly is hardly the City of Brotherly Love”
Yeah I get that, but it’s been mostly an easy ride for Cole up to now, (with the one exception and that didn’t go over real good.)
What happens when things get a little hard for and the NY media starts getting in a frenzy.
Just my opinion I don’t think he’s a good fit.
Blake,
That’s fair. I’ve always considered Hamels being traded a pipe dream.
The Giants payroll in 2011 was 118 million and that’s the first time they’ve ever been over 100 million. If they signed both Lincecum and Cain then they’ll likely have to commit to keeping their payroll in the current range (or higher)….and will have over 1/3 of that tied up in 2 pitchers. (40 + per season). They have money…..but are they willing to go there? I don’t know.
Via Marc Carig, the Yankees have invited C.J. Wilson’s agent, Bob Garber, to New York for a meet with the team’s decision makers. Brian Cashman met with Garber today, and the meeting in New York will reportedly involve Cashman, Hal Steinbrenner, and pro scouting director Billy Eppler.
“I think it was very productive,” said Garber, referring to today’s meeting. “I think Brian is in a situation where he doesn’t want what happened to Cliff Lee to happen again. We have a lot of teams we have to narrow down. I think the Yankees are a team that we’ve narrowed down as a team we want to spend a little time with.” Garber said there are still six or seven teams seriously interested in his client, a list that includes the Angels. Cashman confirmed to Carig that he hasn’t made any free agent offers yet, so they’re still just talking. Doesn’t hurt to do that. ·
Yeah, I can’t speak to what the Giants will do with their payroll, but I would be shocked if they move Cain in the off season. Hold on to him and see what happens.