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One minor move on a quiet Day 2

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 16, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This morning has been a lot like yesterday morning: Not much happening, and not even much of a buzz through the lobby or the media workroom. It’s just another early day in the offseason.

The Yankees have reportedly made a minor move by signing lefty Mike O’Connor. That’s obviously bullpen depth for Triple-A. He’s made 13 big league appearances the past five years. Triple-A lefties hit .207 against him in 2011, but they hit .269 against him in 2010 (he had reverse splits that year). Unless the Yankees move someone like Shaeffer Hall to the bullpen next year — which seems possible simply because of an overcrowded Triple-A rotation — they’re fairly thin on lefty relievers, and O’Connor is just helping to fill that gap. Nothing significant here.

Otherwise, it’s the same old story. We’re still waiting for the collective bargaining agreement to become official, but expectations about a changing free agent compensation system remain the same. Joel Sherman tweeted this morning that, even if Type B free agents are eliminated, there will still be Type Bs this winter. That matters to the Yankees because Freddy Garcia is a Type B.

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71 Responses to “One minor move on a quiet Day 2”

  1. LGY November 16th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    blake – You’re right, he hasn’t been regressing for 2 years.

    He’s been regressing for 3 years.

    ——-

    Danks had the lowest xFIP of his career in 2011!

    I wouldn’t call that regression but progression!!

  2. blake November 16th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    If you don’t think Danks is a good pitcher……then you haven’t seen him pitch much. He’d get more than Wilson if he were a FA this winter.

  3. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    blake – his ERA+ has dropped consistently the last 3 seasons. That means while he may still be pitching “the same” the rest of the league has gotten better and he has not.

    Oh, are you using FIP now? Convenient when it supports your arguement…

  4. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 16th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Where is that Ghost?????

    Ths house was in both of their names! It has nothing to do with probate. He dies, the house passes to her. So now she has to pay the taxes on it? Is THAT why he did it, so she would get the tax bill???

    :roll:

    Clare and I had it right. I know, if a woman comes up with the answer, it can’t be right!

    (joking, joking!)

    :D

  5. DONNYBROOK November 16th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    I wouldn’t lose any sleep if Freddy Garcia signed with someone else, even if it was with the R\Sox. He did well overalll with the Yanks in 2011, but staggered down the stretch. I would be fine with having him in the rotation up to July 31, and then upgrading his spot if necessary at that point in time. It would depend on where the Yanks were in the AL East standings at the trade deadline. But in general, losing Freddy will not make or break the Yankee 2012 season.

  6. blake November 16th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Danks/Pettite comparison at RAB.

  7. 86w183 November 16th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    I agree Danks is good… but I disagree he would get more than CJ Wilson

    CJ is 31-15, 3.13 427 1/3 IP over the last two years

    JD is 23-23, 3.99 383 1/3 IP

    That’s a significance difference. Danks will get plenty after this year, though.

  8. blake November 16th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    ID,

    His ERA and WHIP held pretty constant from 2008-2010…..had a round patch last year but found it and was very good much of the season. Have you ever watched him pitch?

  9. blake November 16th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Danks is 4 years younger and has a longer track record…..he’d get more IMO

  10. LGY November 16th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Oh, are you using FIP now? Convenient when it supports your arguement…

    —–

    Purely in a mocking fashion.

    I thought you hate Era and ERA+? Convenient you use it now to support your argument!

  11. LGY November 16th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Trisha

    Check out the link I posted in the last thread about the judge in the Sandusky case.

  12. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    blake – You’re missing the point. ERA+ is adjusted for league average ERA… so the rest of the pitchers in baseball are getting better, and Danks has not.

    I have watched him pitch more than you have, that I can guarantee.

  13. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    LGY – Just keeping the argument in simple terms that simple people understand. Get over yourself.

  14. blake November 16th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    On a 5 year contract Danks would be 32 at the end of it. Wilson would be 36 at the end of the same contract.

  15. RI Attorney November 16th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    I do hope Cashman gets something done by December 13th. That would be really pleasant.

  16. Mike Ri November 16th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    I like Danks. . but the fact he regressed and gave up more hits than Innings pitched . scares me a bit .

  17. blake November 16th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    “I have watched him pitch more than you have, that I can guarantee.”

    How can you guarantee that? Era+ isn’t everything….

  18. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    blake – You fight back against every advanced metric that gets brought out here, don’t talk to me about ERA+ isn’t everything. ERA+ is nothing. I was trying to keep the conversation in terms you would accept without backlash.

    I can guarantee it because I have had Danks on my keeper league fantasy team for 3 years now, and I have probably missed 3 of his starts in that time frame.

  19. blake November 16th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    “I like Danks. . but the fact he regressed and gave up more hits than Innings pitched . scares me a bit .”

    It would scare me more if it were an issue the whole season….however it is a little concern and hopefully it’ll keep the offers for him down. Pitchers go through struggle periods from time to time……as long as he’s healthy Im more interested in the 3 year sample and he’s been solid really since 2007.

  20. LGY November 16th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    ID

    You always say ERA is so flawed there’s no use in ERA+.

    Why compare Danks to league average pitchers using a stat you don’t see any value in?

  21. blake November 16th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    “You fight back against every advanced metric that gets brought out here”

    No I don’t……I just prefer to use that as one piece of the information puzzle. If you don’t think he’s any good then why did you keep him on your fantasy team?

  22. CB November 16th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    If the Yankees (or the fanbase) are expecting John Danks to put up numbers like he did in 2008 – then they are likely going to be very disappointed.

    The whole question of whether he’s regressing or not depends on 2008. Was that some kind of baseline of performance that he’s regressed from now? Or was it an outlier?

    I’d guess it was an outlier that was influenced by the fact that he was still relatively new to the league. Danks cut fastball-change up based arsenal is an interesting one as it creates action to both sides of the plate. Hitters may have just needed to get used to that.

    So if you are expecteding 2008- yes he’ll likely underperform. If that’s one’s expectation then yes he’s has “regressed.”

    But if you are expecting him to be a good – but not great pitcher who does a good job striking hitters out compared to how many he walks and keeping the ball off the sweet spot of the bat through movement – you’ll probably get what you are expecting.

    He would be a good #2-3 type of pitcher for the yankees. Which is pretty much what they need.

    I like him. And I think the Sox are going to need to move him. Kenny has done trades where he values players very differently than many others do so it may be more feasible to get a deal done with him.

  23. RadioKev November 16th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    I think the appeal of Andy Pettitte isn’t his pitching style, it’s his results. I could care less if “the next Pettitte” is lefty and from the south and his similar numbers. I just want a solid #2 that can be relied on for big games. It’s the Pettitte intangibles.

  24. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    LGY – He said Danks wasn’t regressing because his ERA stayed the same, so I showed him that was not exactly true.

    What I really think?
    His LOB% has dropped the last 3 years, but most of his peripherals look fine. His SWSTR% has dropped a little bit but that could be due to his switch from primarily fastball to primarily cutter. I wouldn’t call what he has done really regressing, but his K rate, BB walk and batted ball peripherals are bouncing all over the place… he’s not “progressing” in any identifiable direction.

    He has 2 decent and 2 bad seasons under his belt, nothing to write home about and certainly not better than the other pitchers available. Edwin Jackson is the same pitcher for less money and no need to trade away talent. If Keith Law random-bias extraordinaire wasn’t absolutely in love with Danks, I doubt this conversation even happens.

  25. blake November 16th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    CB,

    Hi….and yes I agree. If he pitched only the way he did in 2009 and 2010 then he’d probably win 15-20 games with the Yankees……and give them a good 2 to me. Just depends on what it would take to get him. I would prefer that to giving Wilson a big contract.

  26. champ809 November 16th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Danks is a very good pitcher and would be a good get DEPENDING on what it would take to get him.

    As long as none of my top 5-6 guys are needed to get him then I’m in. If say a package of Gardner + Romine and maybe Corbin Joseph for Danks & Thornton I’d make that deal with signing Grady Sizemore and Andruw Jones contingent.

  27. LGY November 16th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    He would be a good #2-3 type of pitcher for the yankees. Which is pretty much what they need.

    ——

    Exactly. He’s not a #1 but instead a real solid pitcher with the benefit of being on the right side of 30.

  28. blake November 16th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    “If Keith Law random-bias extraordinaire wasn’t absolutely in love with Danks, I doubt this conversation even happens.”

    Who would this be?

  29. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    blake – I never said he wasn’t good, but I certainly don’t think he’s worth the price it would take to acquire him. Especially since requires a player to trade to the white sox AND he is not under contract after this season.

  30. blake November 16th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    “I never said he wasn’t good, but I certainly don’t think he’s worth the price it would take to acquire him.”

    Maybe…..but we don’t know what the price is yet.

  31. blake November 16th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Joelsherman1 1 hour Made a mistake yesterday that I want to clarify. There WILL be Type-B free agents this offseason. Sorry for mistake

  32. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    blake – How low could the price be? They are going to want some nearly major league ready talent back for him at the least, why would they trade him for any less? I would require a window to work out a contract extension before making any deal. If he can just walk after next season he is not worth any amount of ML-ready prospects.

  33. CB November 16th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    A couple of other points on Danks.

    He’s 26 now and will be 27 early in the season. That’s not real old. And to date his performance has been a bit all over the map. You can see this by his ERA, FIP, tERA, and Siera. Its hard to know what to make of any of them (and the divergence between his tERA and Siera in certain years is particularly interesting).

    What to conclude from this scatter? He’s never achieved and equilibrium level of performance. Given this linear regression methods related to trying to project his future performance aren’t necessarily going to help other than providing relatively wide confidence intervals for point estimates. Which one could already intuitively guess from looking at his numbers.

    But not achieving an equilibrium of performance isn’t unexpected for a pitcher his age. In fact that’s pretty much the hallmark of a “young pitcher.”

    Danks is not exiting that phase of his career now. But it’s hard to pin down with precision what he will produce.

    The same isn’t as true for a pitcher like Edwin Jackson who is older and has thrown more career innings.

    Ultimately much of one’s evaluation with a pitcher like this at this stage of his career gets down to what you think of his stuff and how he throws the ball. That’s what should really guide decisions on whether to get him and what to give up for him.

    Danks isn’t an absolute get. So whether or not to trade for him is going to be highly sensitive to what you have to pay to get him. Difficult to discuss him in a vacuum so to speak.

    Finally – and this is just pure speculation on my part – I do wonder if perhaps Danks has taken the Don Cooper pitching philosophy to heart too much.

    I wonder if he’s gotten away from his fastball and too dependent on his cutter now.

    That’s one of the overall directions his career has taken. More dependent on the cutter.

    I don’t know if that’s the best thing for him or not – I’m just wondering. Perhaps another pitching coach would help.

  34. LGY November 16th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    CB

    Have to admit. I’m surprised you have been able to hold off this long weighing in on the Kemp extension. Still in mourning? :P

  35. DONNYBROOK November 16th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Why give up player(s) to get Danks, when all you gotta do is spend $$$ to get Darvish?. Everyone seems to agree that Danks issa gamble based on his inconsistent performance the last 2 seasons, so why not go the Darvish route? Easy choice to make when you consider your gonna have to give up player(s) AND spend $$$ on Danks. In the end I believe IF Danks is moved, he goes to the NL where Kenny Williams will get more in return.

  36. blake November 16th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    ID,

    Yea I don’t know…..they aren’t giving him away if course but if the Yanks could get him for some things they have in excess then that’s where Id have interest.

    CB,

    Good breakdown…..agree on Cooper.

  37. LGY November 16th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Going from the White Sox defense to the Yankees d can’t hurt either.

  38. blake November 16th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    “Why give up player(s) to get Danks, when all you gotta do is spend $$$ to get Darvish?.”

    The two aren’t mutually exclusive …..but prospect price isn’t always higher or more significant than price in dollars…..it depends on who the prospects are and how much money you’re talking about. Sometimes trading for a player is less of a Fisk than signing a FA to a longterm contract.

  39. blake November 16th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    “Going from the White Sox defense to the Yankees d can’t hurt either.”

    No kidding

  40. CB November 16th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    “I’m surprised you have been able to hold off this long weighing in on the Kemp extension. Still in mourning?”

    LGY,

    Honestly, a bit crushed. More than I should have been – but that’s life in fandom.

    It was always speculative. But oh boy did I want him in pinstripes. Very badly. I love that swing.

    I was hoping the disarray in LA would last long enough that a deal couldn’t get negotiated by the beginning of the season when Stewart said they would let things play out.

    A year ago the Rangers threw 100M+ at Cliff Lee – just as they were coming out of bankruptcy.

    This season – the Dodgers commit 160M to Kemp – while in bankruptcy.

    This just speaks to how much revenue is in the game – and the pace at which the value of teams is increasing.

    Think about how badly McCourt has managed the dodgers. They’ve been awful and they are a mess.

    And during that time of ineptitude the Dodgers franchise value has increased 300% or so.

    I can think of few businesses where that would be even close to possible.

    Between revenue sharing and the continues increase in franchise value – teams have more and more power to spend big on their own free agents.

    More than ever – developing your own young players is going to be the key to winning.

  41. SoS November 16th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Why not go after Floyd who would cost less and Darvish?

  42. DONNYBROOK November 16th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Getting Danks would require MLB player(s) being traded. No way Kenny Williams deals Danks exclusively for Minor League players.

  43. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Us Cellular Field has a negative park factor for 2011 (meaning it was favoring pitchers more than hitters). Yankee stadium is decidedly hitter friendly… another factor to consider when looking at these white sox pitchers coming from a much worse division.

  44. blake November 16th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Braun, Kemp, Tulo…..all guys I wanted ……all guys that wont see free agency until they are past their primes. Revenue sharing, new ballparks, and smarter front offices have changed the game.

  45. blake November 16th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    “Getting Danks would require MLB player(s) being traded. No way Kenny Williams deals Danks exclusively for Minor League players”

    He said yesterday that if he got the trades he wanted then they would be in a rebuilding mode….

  46. champ809 November 16th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Danks is a 1 yr commitment @ about $10 mil ( I believe that’s his salary for next year ) whereas Darvish is close to a $100 mil 5-6 yr commitment.

    The Yanks have a lot of pitching @ the upper levels of the farm system that are about major league ready and certainly will be after next season. As such it’s almost a misallocation of resources for us to spend that amount of $ on an unknown Darvish without knowing that he will be SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER over the next 5-6 yrs than say Banny and Bettances or Hughes and Nova.

    If the Yanks were say positioning to trade AJ and replace his $’s with Darvish that’s a different story as it represents more of a lateral move financially and roster spot wise but an upgrade from a age standpoint with the potential for huge upside on a performance level.

    It still affords you the roster spot in say 2013 for the arrival of Banuelos or Bettances or possibly even both with Danks leaving as a FA after next season.

    A 2012 ‘ro of Sabathia/Nova/Danks/Hughes/AJ could be very very good opening up the season.

    As far as what it would take to get him I think the prospect price for us wouldn’t be too bad at all and he could be had by us trading from some of B-level depth guys considering he was so-so last season, makes $ and is a 1yr rental at this point.

    I suggested Gardner in an expanded deal that includes Thornton because I know the White Sox are very high on Gardner and we are very interested in Sizemore who if healthy could be signed to be the primary LF’er.

  47. NYYanksFan November 16th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    betovilla7 “La idea es q’CON A-Rod, Jesús Montero aprenda a jugar tercera base; le daría mejor movilidada para primera y catcher”. B.Cashman.

    Cashman says Montero will learn to play third base with A-Rod and that could help him with better movement at first and catcher. ?????

  48. CB November 16th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Two years ago the Cell had one of the higher park factors in all of baseball.

    Difficult to make any conclusions about one year of park factor data. In fact the entire statistics is sort of very unstable right now.

    2011 park factor for the cell may have much more to do with Adam Dunn and Alex Rios falling off cliffs then the park itself.

  49. DONNYBROOK November 16th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    No way I would deal Gardner. The Yankee OF defensively is one of the best in MLB. From Right Center to the LF Foul Line it is lockdown with Grandy and Gardner. No way I tamper with that.

  50. LGY November 16th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Hasn’t the Cell typically been known as a hitters park?

  51. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    the White Sox are very high on Gardner

    The entire league is “high on Gardner”. He’s one of the most productive outfielders in the game.

  52. CB November 16th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    “Braun, Kemp, Tulo…..all guys I wanted ……all guys that wont see free agency until they are past their primes. Revenue sharing, new ballparks, and smarter front offices have changed the game.”

    Agree. Those where three special guys. Perhaps the best of that cluster of players. Of the three Tulo probably hurt the most just due to the position.

    Have to be very careful about trading young players now.

    There’s no guarantee that the market is going to return value in the future – especially at a price that makes sense.

    It’s interesting -as more players get wrapped up early, the less supply of talent there is that hits the market. But the demand doesn’t change in accordance.

    This may mean that the free agent market is becoming less efficient over time. A worse deal.

    This is especially the case because the players who are getting signed early are systematically the better players on the whole. This adds a kind of selection bias as to what’s left on the market.

    We’re seeing this play out for CJ Wilson now. He’s get a huge deal – because there are no alternatives. Better pitchers who could have been on the market signed large deals years ago.

    CJ never had the chance because he was in the pen and not that good for several years.

  53. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    LGY – Yes, but according to what actually happened the last 2 years YS has been “more” of a hitters park.

  54. blake November 16th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Tulo definitely hurt the worse and it was fairly unexpected…..just seemed perfect as he grew up idolizing Jeter etc. I remember last year I posted something about still being the Yanks future SS and like just a couple of days later he was signing an extension……Im still bummed out about it.

  55. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    CB – I don’t know if you’ll see the full impact of these young players signing long term deals for another few years, as the FA market is going to REALLY thin out as those “young” players become the 28+ year old veterans in the league.

    IMO This is the way it should be, the trade market should be the most effective way of acquiring talent, not just throwing money at the wall and hoping it sticks while developing nothing in house.

    The FA market as it was allowed a team like the Yankees to sustain success over many years by just shelling out money and never developing a young cost effective group of players to build a team around. I’m curious if the Yankees shift in strategy is a result of the changing market or if it is changing the market itself.

  56. Joe from Long Island November 16th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    i think that it’s because of the premium now being placed on young players that trading a relative old-timer/vet like danks for warren/phelps/mitchell is attractive for kenny williams.

    the yanks can afford danks, plus they have to do something with those players because the rotation in filled in ny, where noesi has an edge because of his 2011.

  57. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    the rotation in filled

    That is a bold statement.

  58. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    a very misspelled bold statement haha :p

  59. austinmac November 16th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Free agency has changed to the Yankees detriment. It appears the international signing rules are also changing thereby limiting any possible Yankee advantage.

    This year the Yankees have a chance to use their financial clout with Darvish and/or the Cubans. I think they need to take advantage of the opportunities that may not come again.

    I believe Danks would be a consistent quality starter for the Yankees. Take on Thornton and his $12M over the next two year contract. Noesi, Romine and a third player off a list from the AAA, non-Banuelos, Betances group. This is an opportunity to get a young lefty starter and a very hard throwing lefty out of the pen. Another rare set of circumstances.

  60. champ809 November 16th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    THe whole league is not “high” on Gardner’s bat and some still see him as more of an elite 4th of’er.

    The White Sox have coveted him for 3yrs now and would love to have him as their leadoff hitting Cf’er with Rios moving to RF.

    For us we’ve got 5-6 Brett Gardners down on the farm with Mason Williams/Slade Heathcott and Ravel Santana representing the best of them although they are probably 2-3yrs away.
    However a guy like Ray Kruml or even an Abraham Almonte posess similar skillset as Gardy but more potential offensively than Brett certainly in the case of Abe Almonte and may be a year away.

    Throw in Melky Mesa and Zoilo Almonte maybe reaching AAA this season and it becomes easier to envision the Yanks being willing to move Brett in a deal for an arm that they like with someone like Grady Sizemore being the 2012 stopgap LF’er in a platoon with say Andruw Jones.

  61. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    THe whole league is not “high” on Gardner’s bat and some still see him as more of an elite 4th of’er.

    Anyone that believes this is completely blind to reality. You can underestimate Gardner’s contributions all you want, it doesn’t make it right. Fact of the matter is, there have only been like 4 outfielders better than him over the last 2 years. EVERY team in baseball knows that.

  62. DONNYBROOK November 16th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    I’m not an Andru Jones guy. Defensively, he’s an adventure, and offensively, he’s all or nothing. The guy is smart though, as he quickly made a friend of Jeet. if it was me making the call, he wouldn’t be on the team.

  63. pat November 16th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Gibson and Maddon managers of the year.

    AND

    chendricks12
    A St. Louis sports talk radio station reports Albert Pujols will announce Friday he is re-signing with the Cardinals. http://ow.ly/7vMGg

  64. 86w183 November 16th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    I never doubted Pujols would return. Fielder on the other hand could end up in several different places.

  65. blake November 16th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    I like Gardner…..he’s a good value player. However he’s also a guy that could have a pretty short peak….he’s getting closer to 30 and his game is primarily based on super elite speed…..when that speed starts to slip then so will his value …..also as he gets more expensive in arbitration that will happen as well.

    If a team wants to give a good return for him then Id listen….as trade value wise he may be at his peak right now.

  66. blake November 16th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    I hope Albert stays…..that’s the way it should be. I think Texas is laying low on Prince……he’d give them a real first baseman finally and he’d also give them a middle of the order bat to use against Hamilton in those negotiations ….

  67. Joe from Long Island November 16th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    blake – is fielder that good a 1b? seriously, i think that texas first priority should be sp, especially is wilson leaves them. but, i tend to think that sp is the key to a winning team. just my bias.

  68. 86w183 November 16th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Great point Blake. Gardner is 28 in August and probably has 3-4 seasons before he declines in value due to diminishing speed.

    The Red Sawx will be groaning over Crawford’s deal for a long time

  69. Joe from Long Island November 16th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    blake, 86 – with kemp looking like he’s staying in la, it doesn’t appear that there are going to be any really good, elite ofs available any time soon. maybe hamilton, if he goes fa. so, while i tend to agree with you about gardner’s window, you also have to think about who would replace him. and, please don’t say grady sizemore. it’s anybody’s guess what he can still do.

    heck, with kemp staying in la, it starts to make me think about keeping swish for more than just this coming year.

  70. austinmac November 16th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    I know we are all intimidated that MLBTR reports the Red Sox are not trying to trade Crawford. In other news, the Yankees aren’t trying to trade AROD.

    Williams is also reported as wanting an “impact player” before he makes any trades. I don’t see the Yankees trading any significant MLB piece. They need to interest him in the abundance of near ready pitchers they have. Abundant and cheap. We take Thornton too and reduce the teams payroll for next year by over $15M.

  71. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    At age 29, Carl Crawford was handed $142 million over 7 years… and his “speed” is just as much of a risk. There was not shortage of suitors for Crawford, and Gardner has outproduced him for 2 seasons now (and steals bags at the same rate).

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