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Steinbrenner says it’s too early to predict offseason moves

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 16, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Real quickly: Joe Girardi finished fifth in American League Manager of the Year voting. Joe Maddon won it for the second time. Girardi got three second-place votes and five third-place votes. Now, as for the latest events here in Milwaukee… 

Baseball’s owners are starting to arrive at Milwaukee’s Pfister Hotel, and most have scooted through the lobby without saying much to the media. Hal Steinbrenner was an exception to the rule, stopping to chat for a little more than five minutes.

Given Brian Cashman’s talk about a conservative offseason approach, would the Yankees owner be surprised if the Yankees made it all the way through the winter without a major free agent addition?

“It’s too early,” Steinbrenner said. “It wouldn’t surprise me if we did. It wouldn’t surprise me if we didn’t. Hate to be vague, but it is mid November.”

Steinbrenner mentioned the same specifics we’ve been hearing all winter — need to bolster the rotation, could use left-handed relief, fairly satisfied with the lineup — and promised to look into every available option.

“We’re pretty close to the team we were last year, which had the best record in the American League,” Steinbrenner said. “We let the fans down in the playoffs. There’s no doubt about it. They know that, I know that, Cashman knows that. But our team from last year is, for the most part, intact. There’s some concerns. We’re going to address them.”

A few other notes from Steinbrenner…

• The failed Kei Igawa experiment will not affect the way the Yankees approach other Japanese pitchers. “No, it will not,” Steinbrenner said. “Every person is different. Every player is different. We’re going to look at every single one. We’re going to look at every single option, and we’re going to analyze it. It will be a go or no-go, but we look at each person as an individual.”

• Steinbrenner said he will trust his scouts when it comes to high-priced foreign players. “Anytime it’s a significant amount of money — really, anytime it’s any kind of money — yes, of course I ask those questions,” Steinbrenner said. “That’s not my expertise, so I really have to heavily rely on our scouting and out player development people, particularly when it comes to young kids in foreign countries, like I think you’re referring to.”

• Steinbrenner still has not had any conversations with Jorge Posada.

• On the budget: “I’m not going to get into where we’re at. We have a team practically in place right now, with CC coming back, that had the best record in the American League. So we’ve got a good team. We have a couple of areas we’ve addressed where were need to improve. And we’re going to look to do that, but I’m not going to get into how much or who or anything else. We’ve looking at everybody, as we do every offseason.”

• On Alex Rodriguez: “I think we all need Alex to be Alex again. The fans expect it. The fans want it. Alex expects it, and he knows that. Nobody’s harder on himself than him. He will show up in spring ready to play. He’ll be in shape and he’ll be doing his work. He knows he needs to do better than that.”

• On CC Sabathia: “You know, it was good. Everybody wanted CC to be a Yankee. He’s a great Yankee, we all know that. Great guy. Great clubhouse guy. Great team player. It needed to get done, and I think both sides worked pretty diligently to do just that.”

• Will the Yankees again look into low-cost options, similar to Freddy Garcia and Eric Chavez last winter? “As I tell all the New York guys until I’m blue in the face, we look at every option,” Steinbrenner said. “We’re going to look at every option out there. And absolutely, that’s something we’d consider. Absolutely. And it did work out well last year.”

 
 

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67 Responses to “Steinbrenner says it’s too early to predict offseason moves”

  1. Joe from Long Island November 16th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    blake, 86 ? with kemp looking like he?s staying in la, it doesn?t appear that there are going to be any really good, elite ofs available any time soon. maybe hamilton, if he goes fa. so, while i tend to agree with you about gardner?s window, you also have to think about who would replace him. and, please don?t say grady sizemore. it?s anybody?s guess what he can still do.

    heck, with kemp staying in la, it starts to make me think about keeping swish for more than just this coming year.

  2. CB November 16th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    “I’m curious if the Yankees shift in strategy is a result of the changing market or if it is changing the market itself.”

    It’s a very good question. Really critical one. And I think ultimately it’s both. I do think the key driver was revenue sharing and the construction of all of those new ball parks in the small to midsize market.

    Just as an example – look at what the Marlins are now doing. That’s all related to the new park. Look at the payroll the Twin had last season – over 100M – and look at the Mauer contract.

    That’s the market changing. And those factors have made the free agent market more barren, more risky and less attractive over time.

    It’s no longer – what should we do – sign Manny or Mussina?

    As you point out – the impact of this probably hasn’t been fully felt yet. It’s been happening over time but it’s also accelerated so moving into the future it’ll only get more difficult to get value on the open market.

    Here’s an example in a slightly different sphere. Now this is largely a hypothesis of mine – I don’t have tangible data or anything to back it up – but I think it makes intuitive sense.

    The Red Sox are seen as a drafting and player development powerhouse. And in some very important ways that’s true.

    But what really drove that perception and sent it into overdrive was their drafts from 2002- 2005 draft – 2005 in particular ( which really was great.)

    But the draft dynamics are no longer like they were from 2003-2005. Small to mid market teams wised up to how stupid it was for them to stick to slot. Now we see teams like the Royals outspending everyone in the draft.

    And this is all possible because every small market team has the revenue to do so. All teams can sign nearly any player. This is why the 2007 draft was such a landmark. That’s when things really changed rapidly.

    So simply paying over slot has become less efficient because it’s now a routine strategy adopted widely. There’s just not enough talent to throw the money at. And I think this is why the yankees haven’t spent as much money on the draft over the past few years. Paying over slot doesn’t produce the returns it once did. They’ll be willing to do it for exceptions like Cole – but not routinely.

    And since small market teams started paying out in the drafts it’s been interesting to see the Red Sox draft get worse. To me, they’ve been the major loser of the small market teams increasing their investment in the draft because for whatever reason they haven’t been as active in the international amateur talent market.

    But that’s a great example of how the market has changed and teams need to change back.

  3. blake November 16th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Joe,

    Re: Prince. I didn’t mean defensively…..I just meant the total package as a 1B…..somebody better than Mitch Moreland.

    And with Gardner…..I don’t know. That’s part of it to consider as well.

  4. blake November 16th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    CB,

    That post is dead on. If you think about it most every team now has a nice ballpark (either new or historic) and something for their fans to feel good about……the Dbacks have Upton…..the Rays have their player development, the Brewers have Braun, the Nats have Strausburg and Harper, etc……and I think it all stemmed from revenue sharing and teams running their organizations smarter and with better information.

  5. pat November 16th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    SI_JonHeyman
    #stlcards spokesman: gm john mozeliak says radio rumor pujols already has agreed to return to #stlcards is false.

  6. blake November 16th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Joelsherman1 1 hour H.Steinbrenner said failure with Igawa would not bias him if baseball ops wants to bid on Darvish. Still think #Yankees cautious bidders

  7. DONNYBROOK November 16th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    In the end, it ALL comes to down to player evaluation at ALL levels. As long as the pipeline supplying your MLB team is rich, an owner is not forced to retain players once they reach free agency. A team has merely gotta get into the playoffs, and then anything can happen as we just witnessed. With the extra wild card team soon being added, making the playoffs will be even easier. All the new parks and extra revenue has done is put more $$$ into the players pockets. I commented yesterday on the crazy guaranteed multi yr $$$ doled out to Carroll and Ellis. That $$$, and $$$ in general would be better spent on Top talent evaluators and coaches at ALL levels.

  8. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    The shortening of the FA market is only going to cause the yankee’s to re-appropriate resources into more effective areas. So they can’t spend $40-$50 mil every offseason on FA’s…. now they can spend that money on scouting, player development and coaching staffs, evaltuating international FA’s and the like… This only makes the club stronger in the long run by being forced to operate in a less “reckless” manner.

  9. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    According to Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald, the Marlins’ offer to Albert Pujols was less than $200 million.

    This follows the suggestion i had read about last off-season. Every small market team should publicly announce they are in on every major free agent. Whether you plan to sign them or even make a legitimate offer is irrelevant. Creating the public perception that you are taking steps to improve the team, while not actually doing so is surprisingly effective to improving public perception surrounding your franchise.

  10. blake November 16th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    “This follows the suggestion i had read about last off-season. Every small market team should publicly announce they are in on every major free agent.”

    I think that would be fine for awhile…..sooner or later though you would have to do something….fans aren’t that dumb.

  11. upstate kate November 16th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    especially when you have a new stadium you are trying to build excitement about

  12. Pat M. November 16th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    CB….Matt Kemp is on the cusp of being the game’s best player…….You could see the talent four years ago when Joe Torre threw out into centerfield and told him that ” you’ll figure things out ” ….Such raw talent back then…..Might have the best arm in the game

  13. blake November 16th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 16 mins just to be clear, cj wilson’s rep is 1 who asked for a visit w/ #yankees, not the other way around. still waiting on a yes

  14. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    obviously there is still a need to fill the places on the team with players you can actually afford, but creating that public perception removes alot of the offseason woes of “oh, i guess we’re just not trying to get better and will lose again next year”. This sells season tickets.

  15. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    Yeah, it kind of would end up being “The boy who cried, ‘Wolf’” if a team didn’t eventually actually spend that money on a major FA.

  16. CB November 16th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    “If you think about it most every team now has a nice ballpark (either new or historic) and something for their fans to feel good about……”

    Blake,

    I agree. This is what has changed over the past 10-15 years in the game. Teams don’t have to feel hopeless. The only teams that do for the most part are those in which ownership is somehow poisoning the well. The Orioles are hopeless in a sense – but it’s not for business reasons in baseball. It’s on them.

    And that’s a good thing. Selig deserves credit for that.

    But that’s has a huge strategic impact on how each team runs its business and operations. That’ includes the yanks.

    I don’t know if this is true – but I recently read somewhere that over the past few years the yankees have hired 20 people to do statistical analysis. That’s clearly a response to the competitive landscape in the game.

    But now no one is going to have more data or information at hand than the yankees. And that was inevitable. Statistical analysis goes from being a source of competitive advantage to a commodity input. That was inevitable.

    Less talent on the free agent market. Small market teams spending big on the draft. Cap on how much you can spend on international free agents. All of these things function to clarify one point. Sustained competitive advantage will be more and more dependent on your ability to be accurately identify, evaluate and develop talent.

    The area where I really would like to see the yankees flood the market with money is in scouting and coaching. If I were Hal and Cash I would identify the best scouts in the game and systematically try to hire them. I would also hire more pro, minor league and amateur scouts than any other team could. I do what Anthoupolous is trying to do but on a much larger scale.

    The yankees should spend enough money to make sure that Nunez doesn’t have such awful footwork. It may not be possible to have changed that when he entered the organization – but they should spend on an development infrastructure which minimizes those probabilities.

    International scouting is an area where they can really hammer the competition through resources. It’s just so expensive to scout internationally. Invest in the infrastructure to do that even better. Others aren’t necessarily going to follow – or wont’ for years. To do that I would study what professional soccer teams have done – that’s a sport which was globalized before any other.

    Those are some of the avenues the Yankees are going to have to focus on to sustain their success in an era where money in many ways has less direct utility than it had in the past.

  17. Bronx Jeers November 16th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    And this is all possible because every small market team has the revenue to do so. All teams can sign nearly any player.

    ———————

    I wonder if the new CBA will have an effect on the luxury tax.

  18. djsunyc November 16th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
    The shortening of the FA market is only going to cause the yankee’s to re-appropriate resources into more effective areas. So they can’t spend $40-$50 mil every offseason on FA’s…. now they can spend that money on scouting, player development and coaching staffs, evaltuating international FA’s and the like… This only makes the club stronger in the long run by being forced to operate in a less “reckless” manner

    ————-

    only if you are lucky enough to pick the right players. there’s no such thing as “reckless”. even when you sign a FA, there’s no telling what he’s gonna do under the bright lights of new york city.

    you take the player you are most comfortable with (either in the draft or FA) and hope it all works out. the problem with ny is that everything is marked up 25% for the sole reason of it being “new york”…

  19. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Girardi will be on Francesa tomorrow at 1 PM, fielding questions. This will be your chance to explain to him that if he would just listen to you, he’d have 648 yankee wins in four years instead of just the lousy 385 or so that he has now, and 4 WS titles. He could even pass on the trade proposals you have to Cashman to ensure that even a bumbling oaf like Girardi won’t lose a game through ineptitude.

  20. djsunyc November 16th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    alex anthopoulous was on mlb network last night and basically said when they re-signed batista to that deal, they had no idea he would replicate his #’s. they knew he had a good work ethic and adjusted his swing so they took a shot on what would be a solid long term player. him not being a “one year wonder” was a surprise to his own GM. he also said alot has to do with timing and situation and strongly believes a player is effected by it. he said who knows if batista ever becomes this good if he didn’t work with cito gaston on his hitting?

    alot of things in sports (and in life) is all about timing and luck. being a sports gm is very difficult, especially in ny. and not winning a world series is not any indication in any way shape or form on how good a job cashman has done with the yankees over the years.

  21. djsunyc November 16th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    i understand why maddon won manager of the year but it’s not like the rays were on “fire” to win in september. girardi had to work with some major pitching injuries and question marks, not to mention 60% arod for only 60% of the time and still won the most games in the AL. i thought he would’ve gotten some more respect for his regular season managing.

  22. LGY November 16th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    @DailyCollegian: BREAKING: A new judge — Robert E. Scott, of Westmoreland County — has been assigned to the #Sandusky case. #PSUCharges

  23. blake November 16th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    . “All of these things function to clarify one point. Sustained competitive advantage will be more and more dependent on your ability to be accurately identify, evaluate and develop talent.”

    Absolutely….more now than ever. There are still a few bad teams ….but its no longer because of the system….its because they are poorly ran.

    Mlb has a system in place now where everyone can compete…you just have to know what you’re doing. As a Yankee fan…..that stinks. As a baseball fan I think its great for the game…….

    Also totally agree on the scouting. That soon may be the Yankees final frontier where they can flex their financial muscles……they will always be able to spend in free agency…..but more and more the players you build the core of your team around are going to have to be drafted and developed.

  24. EA November 16th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Isn’t that with the Angels do every year? Claim they are in on every single FA and are the favorites for them only to end up with no one?

    Over the years, they have been “in” on CC, Tex, Dunn, Crawford, Werth, Holliday, ARod, Vernon Wells (when he was still good), Peavy, Manny, Cabrera/Willis (back when they were the hot package deal), Beltre, Santana, etc.

    And the only big ticket guy they have actually gotten all these years is Hunter.

  25. yanks 27 November 16th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Ken_Rosenthal
    Confirmed: #Marlins’ offer to Pujols is indeed 9 years, as @TBrownYahoo suggested. As I reported initially, offer “substantial.” #STLCards

  26. Against All Odds November 16th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Marlins are going big game hunting this winter but will anyone take their money

  27. yanks 27 November 16th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Am I the only one who doesn’t see the point of this “Yankees Baseball Daily” show?

    There isin’t enough to talk about to where they need a show everyday. Maybe twice a week at most. If they want to have it everyday during the winter meetings, that is different, but from mid-November on is kind of overkill. They can only talk about Wilson, Pujols, Fielder, Reyes, etc. so many times.

    How many times can Willie Randolph give his opinion on FAs? Sherman is excellent though as far as reporting stuff.

  28. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    yanks 27,

    Maybe. But you can say the same for visiting this blog. LOL.

    One show a week isn’t enough if there’s breaking news. It might be overkill, but it ensures your show isn’t stale by the time it airs.

  29. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Also, I see that tonight Mark Feinsand will be on the YES show.

    So, that’s three different reporters so far – Sherman, Kepner, Feinsand. Plus Heyman has been on twice.

    At least some different points of view.

    I like that they split Curry’s interviews into segments.

    Anyway, it’s an oasis in the baseball desert right now.

  30. sab November 16th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    Changing subjects a bit…but still kind of baseball related…..

    Has anyone noticed Italy’s new Premier, Mario Monti, looks eerily like Peter Gammons. Will this mean more italian players signing team friendly contracts with the Sox?

  31. dogface November 16th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    girardi had to work with some major pitching injuries and question marks, not to mention 60% arod for only 60% of the time and still won the most games in the AL.

    =========================

    Girardi had a good year. Thing is that even with injuries to Hughes and a slowed Arod, the Yankees were still putting more talent on the field than any of the three guys who finished ahead of him were. In the end, it seems to come down to who manages a team that really surprises and/or who did the more with less. I thought the voters got the right guy and the right order.

  32. pat November 16th, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    yanks 27-

    Hours of programming that used to be filled by Nets games need to be filled with something so better a news daily than another repeat of CenterStage.

  33. DaveD November 16th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    SI_JonHeyman
    Hearing we are still early in reyes process. #marlins offer of $80/90M for 6 won’t do it. reyes should get $100M-plus, and maybe $20M per

    MarcCarig A person with knowledge said that Red Sox asked for Freddy Garcia’s medicals. Yankees have been clear in being open to a return as well.
    As the Boston Herald has reported, the Red Sox have touched base with Freddy Garcia’s reps.

  34. upstate kate November 16th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    I think they put Yankee Daily Baseball on just for me! It comes on while I am fixing dinner. Since the baseball season is over, I have had to watch espn or local news (don’t get the mlb channel on my kitchen TV), so I am loving it :)

  35. Nick in SF November 16th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    “Has anyone noticed Italy’s new Premier, Mario Monti, looks eerily like Peter Gammons.”

    I noticed that too! But I still might be the only one who think that Mexican novelist Guillermo Prieto also looks like Gammons.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/9.....hotostream

  36. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    dogface -

    I didn’t expect Girardi to win, but I did expect maybe 2nd or 3rd (3rd, if I take my Yankee bias out). He had a good year with a team with injuries not just to ARod and Hughes, but they lost Joba, the second lefty in the pen (Feliciano), Soriano for a time, Jeter, Chavez, and ARod wasn’t just slowed, he was MIA for a long time. Not only that, his team was not expected to win its division, let alone win the most games in the league.

    But, at least he got some attention, I guess. I do think he should have placed before Washington and Acta. And I’m not really sure why Leyland gets all that love, but I do think he’s good manager. Maddon has one thing that Girardi will never have with the Yankees, and that is the ability to take some real out-of-the-box chances, because he simply does not face the same scrutiny. If it works, great, if it doesn’t, he took the shot.

  37. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    pat -

    Hah! I never watched the Nets on YES, so they’re not being there didn’t click. There is the obvious answer for the increased programming!

  38. pat November 16th, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    rafaelrojasc
    AP says MLB won’t approve #Astros sale unless team moves to AL by 2013. Cute.

    A 15/15 split would mean interleague all season, no?

  39. blake November 16th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    I don’t know if Reyes should get 20 million per year…..somebody might give that to him but he’s never been healthy enough to say he should get that.

  40. kd November 16th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    cb spot on as usual.

    i really agree on the latin american side. until there’s a international draft, there’s just so many opportunities to flex the financial muscle that the yankees have down there. every exceptional athlete in the dominican should be trying to find a yankee scout to impress.

    i’m sure there’s a plan in place, cash is not an idiot, but it’s the lowest hanging fruit and all it would take is money to really exploit. just hire some great baseball scouts and let them get after it.

  41. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    pat -

    I don’t know how you’d avoid it. :(

  42. kd November 16th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    blake,

    reyes’s comparison is the crawford deal. reyes is younger, plays a more demanding position, switch hits, and has shown success in a tough media environment. i don’t think he’s a 20 mill a year player, but he’ll get 6/120. just my guess

  43. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    All season, and it may force them to actually balance the interleague schedule rather than the yankees playing the mets every year.

  44. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    pat, that’s correct. Interleague all season. It’s better than the idiotic block of 9 games 2 times. It puts the AL at a disadvantage with the different league rules (DH) having to play with a key piece of the offence missing for a week and a half. Personally, I’d rather that they did away with interleague play and chop the two most poorly run teams and constant bottom dwellers from baseball and go to two 7 team divisions in each league.

  45. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    GB7 – 2 7-team divisions does make a nightmare for travel to the west coast, but otherwise its a great idea.

  46. blake November 16th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Kd,

    But…..and this is a pretty big but…..Reyes has never been anywhere close to as healthy as Crawford gas in his career. Also…..Im not sure that Crawford contract helps Reyes ……seeing how its played out it may hurt him more than help. Somebody will probably give him 100 million…….I don’t think he will get anywhere close to what Carl got.

  47. DaveD November 16th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    How about more interleague games and less games against the Orioles and Blue Jays?

    Schedule Yankees-Cubs, Yankees-Dodgers, Cardinals-Red Sox, Yankees-Phillies, Mets-Red Sox, Rangers-Phillies, etc. every year

    Too many dead spots during the MLB season – liven it up by adding some new matchups and less division matchups. It will also add much more buzz to the Yankees/Sox games if they play less and the games are more important.

  48. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Okay, so here’s the question. If there is going to interleague all the time (at some point), do you believe that at some point there is going to have to be a compromise on DH/non-DH? More specifically, either doing away with the DH in the AL, or adding the DH to the NL?

  49. blake November 16th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 16 mins Hearing #marlins opening offer to pujols was extremely light, well, well below #stlcards who bid about $200M for 9 yrs before season

  50. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    If all interleague all the time means a more balanced schedule somehow, I’d much prefer that to facing the the teams in your own division FAR TOO OFTEN – gosh I am so sick of seeing those teams!!!!

  51. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    It couldn’t be any worse on travel than the Yanks going to the west Coast 3 times in one year, including 2 in September of 2010. It should strengthen all divisions, though. As far as the players on those teams getting axed and the farm teams, just have a dispersal draft with the old owners getting 3/4ths of the amount and MLB getting the rest to buy out existing stadium leases. Instead of the other bottom feeders getting first pick on the best talent, have each team get a number (1 thru 30) like in the lottery balls for each round. Nobody gets an advantage.

  52. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Villa – The reason you play so many division games is because the winner of the division is given an automatic playoff berth. In order to sort your division properly you must play them, alot.

    If you eliminate that and actually just re-seed the teams for the playoffs based on their record and not on outperforming some arbitrary collection of teams, a balanced schedule makes more sense.

  53. m November 16th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Why that judge didn’t recuse herself is beyond me.

    I love the Yankees approach. We like our team, but we need one or two more pitchers and are open to anything.

    It is maddening that teams are locking up players and essentially blocking the Yankees from what is rightfully theirs. But the other teams can’t lock them all up!

    Can’t wait for the Yankees to be complete and start playing games.

  54. m November 16th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    “For 15/15 realignment, Houston would be the team moving to AL West. Would create more fairness in baseball,” Selig said via the Colorado Rockies Twitter feed. He also added that “15 teams in each league would necessitate interleague play every day but it will be better schedule overall.”

    Just as it should be.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_.....can-league

  55. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Irreverent Discourse -

    I’m not sure I get that, though. I mean, I understand what you’re saying, but I’m not sure it makes sense to me.

    If every team plays every other team an equal amount of times, the teams that win the most games win their division. They each had the opportunity to play the same teams the same number of times, including playing each other.

    Now if you want to say it may have more of an impact because there are wild card teams, maybe I can see that. I have to think about that further.

  56. blake November 16th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    If the Giants can get Lincecum locked up…..or feel good about potentially doing so then I think they might trade Cain this winter.

  57. GreenBeret7 November 16th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    Take this for what it’s worth considering the source.

    “SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
    #sfgiants trying to lock up cain as well as lincecum, says team prez larry baer. team may favor deals of about 4 yrs.”

  58. m November 16th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    Love the Gardner talk. He won’t ever earn much, but he’s going to be a nice little player.

    The four most asked about players were Gardner, Swisher, and AJ. Even a noodle bat like Gardner has a place in this league. :P

  59. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    m -

    Hmmm – I hadn’t even thought about Colorado moving to AL. Why NOT Colorado? Why must it be Houston? Houston is farther east than Colorado, isn’t it? It’s actually more centrally located. It also puts two Texas teams in the same division. It would be like the Mets and the Yankees in the same division.

  60. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    m -

    Whose the fourth? You mentioned Gardner, Swisher, AJ.

  61. Irreverent Discourse November 16th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Colorado did make more sense to move to the AL, ass they would have to do is move a NL central team to the NL west (hello Houston… your card has been pulled) but Bud is Bud… and Bud does what he wants. He didn’t want to effect 3 divisions (NL west, AL west, NL central), so by moving Houston outright they only change 2 (AL west, NL central).

    I only say this assuming they are moving Houston to the AL west…

  62. m November 16th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Martin!

  63. kd November 16th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    you are correct blake, when i think about it crawford probably hurts reyes.

    the giants cannot afford both lincecum and cain. not with zito and rowand on the books. soon they’ll have to pay posey and sandoval.

    cain is probably the odd man out, and it shouldn’t be. he’ll age better than the freak. cain is a beast, like 6’5′, 230 and in shape. he’d be perfect in pinstripes. that huge left field in yankee stadium would be great for him.

    wonder if swisher and nunez could be the center pieces for that trade. david adams as well. nunez is a better bat than anyone middle infielder they have

  64. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Thanks, m. :)

    Irreverent Discourse -

    That’s just so dumb! What are you actually “moving?” Names on a page????

  65. m November 16th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    I think the distance of the Rangers for the other teams makes sense to do the Texas teams. Kind of like how NBA teams do the Texas Two Step with some combination of Dallas/San Antonio/Houston.

  66. Villa Nova-Ya November 16th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    m -

    Basketball references are over my head! LOL

    But if theyr’e talking about a balanced schedule, you can still do that two-step, can’t you? Even if they’re not in the same league?

  67. Dionysius Thelxinoe November 16th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Don’t know if this has been already discussed here, but I just now read where Francona withdrew his name from the Cubs mgr search. My guess is Theo felt the same way about having him there. What i found surprising was his quotes about his not getting the Cardinals job. He said he felt “excited” about the idea of managing the Cardinals. I can certainly see why, taking over the managing of the defending world champions. But his talking about needing to take a step back to decide “what to do now,” it seems to imply he expected to get the Cards position, and it surprised, maybe even stunned him, when he didn’t get it.

    I can’t help but to think, “How the mighty has fallen” in such a short a time.


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