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One last day begins in Milwaukee

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 17, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Unless he’s able to catch an earlier flight, Brian Cashman is planning to fly out of Milwaukee at 1:10 this afternoon. The airport isn’t far away, so he won’t have to leave too early. That gives him an entire morning to start and finish a few conversations.

“I will try to take advantage of while I’m here,” Cashman said yesterday. “It just seems like there’s such a limited time frame to do something, not even to complete something, but just to do something.”

Cashman’s had a few conversations during these GM Meetings, and he might be able to squeeze in a few more. For now, he says, he’s just getting a feel for the market and waiting for prices to come down.

Compared to the Winter Meetings, the GM Meetings are always slow, and there’s been very little news coming out of the Pfister Hotel this week. Only a few more hours to change that before everyone scatters to their various corners of the country and waits to reconvene in Dallas next month.

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122 Responses to “One last day begins in Milwaukee”

  1. MTU November 17th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Repost :

    And since Cashman really doesn’t HAVE to do anything he is in a strong poisition.

    He can afford to be patient which is good.

    Except for us impatient fans.

    :)

  2. Yankee Trader November 17th, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Any word on the new CBA and if it will raise the bar on the luxury tax from 178M?

    MTU-

    Pulling for you and your family.

  3. 86w183 November 17th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Did anyone see the ESPN.com article suggesting a package of Banuelos, Noesi, Romine and Mason Williams for Cole Hamels?

    I think that’s awfully steep.

  4. blake November 17th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    As I posted last night. The Giants have only been over 100 million in payroll one time on their history (118 million in 2011).

    To sign both Cain and Lincecum to big extensions they’ll have to commit to staying above that number for the foreseeable future most likely and maybe higher if they decide to also address their offense. Can or will they do that?

  5. Yankee Trader November 17th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Attached is a list of some of the arb eligible players that “might” be non tendered.
    A few of them could easily be targets for Brian Cashman.

    Any thoughts on any of them?

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....dates.html

  6. blake November 17th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    86,

    Yea….it was discussed a little last night. Thats crazy high……no way Cash would do that…..and Im not sure the Phillies would either because that trade doesn’t help them for 2012

  7. Erin November 17th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    JackCurryYES A glimpse at Curtis Granderson’s trip to Taiwan. http://web.yesnetwork.com/medi.....d=19997335

  8. blake November 17th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    My guess is that they sign one of Cain/Lincecum (probably Timmy) and trade the other for as much as they can get……

  9. Yankee Trader November 17th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    86w183-

    Didn’t see the ESPN article but there was a lot of talk last night apparently about trying to get Cole Hamels.

    That trade package doesn’t work for me, especially on a west coast born pitcher who might want to test free agency rather than sign an extension with the club he would be traded to.

  10. MTU November 17th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Thank you YT.

    Much appreciated.

    It always a pleasure to speak with you.

    So to help keep it in the road, so to speak, it’s a hike day today.

    And I’ll catch you when I can.

    :)

  11. Yankee Trader November 17th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Blake-

    I just don’t see the Giants trading away Matt Cain and Ace[1A on the Giants], after trading away Sanchez. The Giants, with Posey back are serious contenders for the West Division.

  12. blake November 17th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    If the Phillies opt to trade Hamels…..then that signals that he is pretty dead set on testing the free agent market…..basically the same situation as Lee a couple years ago. Therefore you can’t give a huge haul for him as it could be for one year.

  13. Yankee Trader November 17th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    The team that might make some serious noise this offseason are the Angels.

    Sign FA Wilson, then trade Ervin Santana?

    Sign Aramis Ramirez for 3rd, trade one of Mark Trumbo or Kendry Morales?

  14. MTU November 17th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Got to develop from within as the Trade and FA markets are always iffy.

    Also have to be “opportunistic” when the right possibilities do present themselves.

    The Yankees are doing both.

    We’re in a strong position becuse of the foresight of Yankke planners.

    The International market sometimes seems like our biggest candy store.

    They may turn off that spigot too eventually.

  15. Yankee Trader November 17th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Blake-

    The Phillies would/should hold onto Cole Hamels at least until the trading deadline, to see where they stand in the playoff race against the likes of the Marlins rejuvenated with Pujols, Reyes and Buehrle. :)

  16. Yankee Trader November 17th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    If, from the list above, Micah Owings becomes non tendered by the Diamondbacks, I’d like Cashman to consider him for bullpen/starter and pinch hitter!

  17. LGY November 17th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Uh oh. Gammons lashing out at the new front office? Trouble in paradise?

    @pgammo: Red Sox owners want managerial “experience.” Weaver, LaRussa, Anderson, Leyland, Guillen had managed 0 games when hired. What a laugh

  18. Yankee Trader November 17th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Have to go. Until later all. have a great day.

  19. austinmac November 17th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Just like I didn’t see the Dodgers trading Kemp, I don’t see the Giants trading Cain. They won the year before last, have a chance to win again and have the fan base to pay. Hamels will not be moved either. The Phillies are going for it now.

    People frequently speak of the Yankees minor league pitching as some untapped source of future success. I am high on Banuelos. Betances is 24 and has little control or command. He could easlily go the Brackman route. Phelps, Mitchell and Warren aren’t considered by anyone to be more than 4th-5th sdtarter potential. Noesi has some stuff, but he is inconsistent and will be 25. I know of no one behind them perceived as having top end starter potential.

    I would very much like the idea of pitchers are coming in droves, but I am not sure I see it. That is why, I do not believe the Yankees can sit back and pat themselves on the back hoping for a Garcia or Colon miracle again.

  20. LGY November 17th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    @pgammo: What “Red Sox Nation” doesn’t fathom is how the post-departure media trashing of Terry Francona made industry folks repulsed by nastiness

  21. 108 stitches November 17th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    As expected, these meetings had a priority of getting the CBA in order so GM’s would know where they stood with Type A & B free agents.
    While in Milwaukee many GM’s opened dialogue for the meetings December 5-8 in Dallas to get ideas of team needs and who might be expendable in deals.
    The usual Jon Heyman and Buston Onley rumor mongering to justify their jobs. Chad Jennings is fully aware of what Milwaukee was about and gave no false hope of Yankee roster moves. He’ll have news on Rule 5 and 40-man roster changes soon enough.
    Hot stove ? There’s barely a log with a flicker of flame on it.

  22. 86w183 November 17th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Actually every manager in baseball history had ZERO experience when first hired.

    Aramis Ramirez makes sense for the Angels. Can’t they still decline Abreu’s option? That would free up Morales to DH when healthy. Better to keep Santana than make a huge commitment to Wilson and then having to trade Santana.

    I’m sure Cash will look into non-tenders for possible 4th OF, utility guy should they decide to include Nunez in a pitcher package. If they re-sign Chavez that’s a good move.

  23. blake November 17th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    I need to rephrase what I said earlier about Cain. I do think it’ll depend on where they are in the standings next year……however I don’t think they can let him walk away for nothing if they can’t get him signed……he coukd just bring to much in return. Its a tough situation to read right now because we don’t know what Cain is thinking and how badly he wants to stay in SF…..or if he wants to stay at all.

    My point was that I don’t know if they can sign them both…..and if they can’t sign Cain this winter then I think it would be tough for them to let him leave as a FA.

  24. Jerkface November 17th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Actually every manager in baseball history had ZERO experience when first hired.

    Not true, some manage in the minors.

  25. blake November 17th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Mike Matheny has zero experience. How much experience does a managed need to manage the Sox. All you have to do if fill out the lineup with the best offense ever……and throw your 4 aces out there…….sounds easy enough……maybe switch from Bud Light since that didn’t work….

  26. 86w183 November 17th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    The Giants are in a very tough spot. They have $ 81 M committed for 2012 without counting Linecum… so that’s $ 101 easy. Add in Melky and Pablo Sondoval arbitration cases and you’re probably up around $ 110 M. And that’s just 10 players!

    Moving Cain would let them fill out the roster more effectively by lopping $ 15 M off that number. Of course if they were considering that they shouldn’t have made the Melky trade.

  27. Giuseppe Franco November 17th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    I just don’t see Philly trading Hamels.

    Teams that are in “WS or bust” mode every year are not going to disassemble or at least diminish their bread and butter (starting pitching) to plug holes in other areas.

  28. blake November 17th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    2010 was once in a lifetime for the Giants…..the chances of that happening again are slim and none. They have real holes on that team…..you still try and sign both Timmy and Cain if you can because that’s your strength ……however at the same time they have to be willing to keep that payroll above 100 million because if they sign them they’ll have around 40 million tied up in 2 players……..

  29. dogface November 17th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    @pgammo: Red Sox owners want managerial “experience.” Weaver, LaRussa, Anderson, Leyland, Guillen had managed 0 games when hired. What a laugh

    ================================

    Mushbrain seems to have missed out on the fact that all but Guillen were minor league managers.

  30. vinny-b November 17th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Cashman jus wants to leave Milwaukee.

    nonappealing climate/weather. And very few hotties

    native speaking.

  31. Erin November 17th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    vinny-b November 17th, 2011 at 9:45 am
    Cashman jus wants to leave Milwaukee.

    *******************

    I just wonder if he stopped off to see the Bronze Fonz. :P

  32. vinny-b November 17th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    I just wonder if he stopped off to see the Bronze Fonz.
    ————————————-

    lol.

  33. 108 stitches November 17th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Cashman / Girardi should be announcing the coaching staff within the next week.

  34. Erin November 17th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    MarcCarig Yes, the Yankees like CJ Wilson and Yu Darvish. But my sense is that their price tags will dissuade the Yankees from being big players.

  35. blake November 17th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Peter sounds bitter about Theo and Tito leaving.

  36. mick November 17th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    I can see the rs finishing last in 2012.

  37. Against All Odds November 17th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    REPONSE TO PREVIOUS POST

    # LGY November 17th, 2011 at 12:33 am

    Thanks Odds

    ———————

    You’re Welcome

  38. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    I can’t see a lot of signings and trades being done before the Rule 5 draft player list is finalized. Teams like the Yankees have a lot of players that need protecting…quality players and as of right now, they have 5 spots open on the roster. Unless there is somebody out there that needs to unburden their team of a high priced contract, can’t see much happening.

  39. blake November 17th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    “I can see the rs finishing last in 2012.”

    Nah the Orioles wont be denied that title. The Sox will be in the mix for a playoff spot next year…..how good they are will depend on how they can fill holes this winter and how lucky they get with injures with a very injury prone roster.

  40. Erin November 17th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Joelsherman1 #Redsox are said to be valuing experience for next manager now. Well, Terry Francona is available and he won 2 World Series.

  41. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    The new minor league team in London, Onterio is catching heat from everywhere for their team nickname, logo and mascot’s name.

    The London Rippers
    Mascot’s name is….you got it…”Jack”
    The logo is a dark silhouette of a man in a top hat, cape and menacing eyes.

  42. Erin November 17th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    GB- :D

  43. 108 stitches November 17th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    mick November 17th, 2011 at 10:13 am
    I can see the rs finishing last in 2012.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Three games above the Orioles and 2 games behind the 3rd place Blue Jays.

  44. austinmac November 17th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    GB,

    Nothing like naming a team after a mass murderer. I have been hoping for the Wisconsin Dahmers.

  45. DONNYBROOK November 17th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Hal is attempting to keep the bidding down on Darvish by employing the snake-in-the-grass technique. He knows that once other teams know the Yanks are going whole-hog after this guy, serious bidders will immediately up their 1 sealed bid appreciably. Cashman and Hal sighting that the Yanks had the best AL record last season, and therefore are not forced to make personnel changes is a mistake. They should view the current team as having gotten bounced in RD 1 of the Playoffs and falling far short of #28.

  46. blake November 17th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    “Hal is attempting to keep the bidding down on Darvish by employing the snake-in-the-grass technique.”

    Hard to know if this is true…..but it is true that it would be unwise for the Yanks to reveal their true intentions regarding Darvish now given that its a blind bid.

  47. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    And why should they broadcast it if they did feel they needed to make personnel changes? What benefit is that to them? It might make you feel better, but it doesn’t help their negotiating position.

  48. upstate kate November 17th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    GB
    that doesn’t sound very family friendly to me

  49. dogface November 17th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Hal is attempting to keep the bidding down on Darvish by employing the snake-in-the-grass technique

    ==========================

    Won’t matter. No team that enters the bidding process will do so believing the Yankees are not serious players in this.

  50. mick November 17th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Nah the Orioles wont be denied that title. The Sox will be in the mix for a playoff spot next year…..how good they are will depend on how they can fill holes this winter and how lucky they get with injures with a very injury prone roster.
    ===============================
    I have been waiting for a total collapse for a few years now and think it’s in the offing.
    Last years debacle could be an indicator. Injuries and bad contracts and the loss of key players will do it.
    If they screw with Ortiz they can lose their mojo fast.

  51. DONNYBROOK November 17th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    George woulda been front and center saying he and Yankee Fans everywhere are NOT satisfied with anything other than a World Series Championship. Also, George liked keeping his players from feeling they had a secure spot on the Yankee 25 man. The way they are talking, you’d think the Yanks had just won the World Series The current Yankee hierarchy needs to view some old video of The Boss. Mediocrity is currently not only being accepted, it is being lauded.

  52. mick November 17th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    The Yanks can hit and pitch a little. The rs are not in their class and need much more fixin then we do.

  53. austinmac November 17th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    I feel the Yankees will make a bid on Darvish, but all winter the Yankees have been downplaying any liklihood of a significant addition. I doubt they will win any bidding as other teams have more of a feeling of desparation.

    I hope I am wrong, but I expect someone more like Floyd.

  54. DONNYBROOK November 17th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    R\Sox did not make the playoffs. Within the AL East, the Yankee focus should center on Tampa Bay.

  55. Erin November 17th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    FakePeteGammons #Redsox should make Lackey manager since they’re paying him 18 million next season for nothing. This is Peter Gammons.

    FakePeteGammons #Redsox now apparently looking for experienced manager? Manager search more ridiculous than the one @ Dunder Mifflin. This is Peter Gammons.

    YankeesPR Annual Yankees/White Rose Pre-Thanksgiving Food Voucher Giveaway taking place at Yankee Stadium today. #thanksgiving http://pic.twitter.com/8Z5seF56

  56. 108 stitches November 17th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Cashman is as stealth as ever. No surprise if he does a deal before or after Dallas in December out of the clear blue. He hasn’t backed off with wanting another quality starter in the rotation, another LH in the bullpen, and possibly another INF or OF utility player.
    He’s not about to talk to Heyman or Matthews so they can blab and tweet all the way to some cave in the Pacific and everything in between.

  57. DONNYBROOK November 17th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    I anticipate the Yankees making a VERY serious attempt to get The Pachinko Kid. Hal made a point of saying the Yanks had to rely on their scouting in this area, and the Yankee scouts are extremely high on Darvish. Hal also said the Yanks wantta hang onto their young talent, which closes the trade door if there is another way to bolster the rotation. Darvish had 5 straight seasons with an ERA UNDER 2.00, which had NEVER been done previously in Japan, and he’s only 25 yrs old. The new CBA also may impact just how this process works in the future, making this truly a 1 time opportunity in more ways than 1.

  58. austinmac November 17th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    108,

    This year feels much like last year post-Lee. Cashman wants starters, but won’t overpay. Someone will overpay for each of them so I don’t expect anything more than re-signing Garcia or Colon.

    Stealth Cashman has not appeared since 2008. Hal is now controlling the budget, and he wants it not to appreciably go up. I see and hear nothing making me think otherwise. The rest is our wishes and hopes.

  59. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    First of all, Hal Steinbrenner and Cashman have been very upfront about the fan base being disappointed and they themselves being disappointed about the early playoff exit.

    Second of all, Cashman has been pretty open about saying that there are definitely players on the Yankees that he would deal if the trade made sense, and very few that he would not (because of contracts).

    So, I really don’t know what it is you’re looking for them to say. You want them to broadcast their exact plans?

    ANd not for nothing George Steinbrenner was a great owner, but let’s not forget that he said a lot of incredibly embarrassing things, and making your players feel uncomfortable is not a good idea in the long run, IMO. It’s enough to say, “we’re open to making trades,” without pointing fingers at players and publicly calling them “fat toads.”

  60. dogface November 17th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Stealth Cashman has not appeared since 2008.

    ============================

    He made an appearance in the ’09 offseason. See: Granderson, Curtis

  61. dogface November 17th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Good points, Villa.

  62. Erin November 17th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Villa Nova-great post

  63. austinmac November 17th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Mick,

    The Red Sox did lead the league in runs scored last year so let’s not throw dirt on them too early. I expect Ortiz to return, and their offense to be very good.

    They need two starters and bullpen help. It will be interesting to see if they are shy to spend money after the Crawford contract. I expect they and the Yankees will be looking at the same set of lower cost starters.

  64. LGY November 17th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    He made an appearance in the ’09 offseason. See: Granderson, Curtis

    ———————

    The Javy Vazquez trade was stealth as well. Unfortunately it didn’t work out, but the process was right.

  65. austinmac November 17th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    dogface,

    You are right about Granderson. He did give up a lot but it was clearly worthwhile.

    Admittedly, I am gun shy after last off-season and last trade deadline. I expect little to reduce the disappointment.

    It is just that every Yankee quote talks in terms of cost. I understand cost is always a factor, but it has certainly become a bigger one with new ownership and several enormous contracts.

  66. austinmac November 17th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    LGY,

    The process was right? Re-acquiring a guy who had miserably failed before is not such a great process. It was so stealthy that I was shocked he would give up a top minor league prospect and Cabrera for him.

    I hope that process has changed.

  67. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    I do think the Yankees still operate from a starting point higher than most teams are asked to give up in trade, or money FA-wise. Perhaps that is the reason for all the talk about cost. It takes a long time to change the perspective that the Yankees are willing to print money if necessary to get what they want.

    PLUS, it really has played out that spending the most money, making the most lopsided trades (not in your favor) have not guaranteed WS titles, and have also not guaranteed against early playoff exits.

    And as other people here have stated more eloquently than I could, the landscape has been changing and continues to change. Players that used to be readily available are being help onto – there is more money spread among more (almost all) teams.

  68. LGY November 17th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    austinmac

    What would your reaction be right now if the Yankees acquired a starter who pitched 219 innings of 2.87 ERA baseball in 2011 for a pitcher in low A ball and an OF they were trying to get rid of?

  69. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    I also think the Yankees scout better than they used to (especially self-scouting), and I think they do learn from most past mistakes. I think they are more attuned to what their needs are, and what is out there that can work for them. I think they also look at more than stats these days (as a result from learning from the past) when looking for players to come in and play a role (whether large or small).

  70. DONNYBROOK November 17th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    George had his faults, but I believe there were actually 2 George’s. The George we saw after the 2nd suspension was Much different than the 1 we saw previously. Currently, I expect Cashman to just shut up, and NOT stir the pot as he did ALL last season when he told Jeet to shop the Yankee offer elsewhere, and then the stuff he stirred up when for whatever reason he discussed moving Jeet outta SS. I also do NOT expect Hal and Cashman to boast the Yankee regular season record like a red badge of courage. For that, the Yanks got 5 extra games, atta cost of $200 Mill +. I assume Hal’s happiness is more about the bottom line than the Yankee regular season record. It is the bottom line and the global financial ramifications involved in signing Darvish, that also makes me believe Hal is gonna go after him Big Time. There is more to signing Darvish than just the on-field considerations.

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    blake November 17th, 2011 at 9:12 am
    If the Phillies opt to trade Hamels…..then that signals that he is pretty dead set on testing the free agent market…..basically the same situation as Lee a couple years ago. Therefore you can’t give a huge haul for him as it could be for one year.
    ///

    That, and who’s giving up a package that includes Banuelos, who potentially could become a Hamels, and who may be ready by midseason? Manny’s not buried in A-ball, he’s very, very close… PLUS your five-tool, left-handed hitting, potential CF of the future? AND Romine AND Noesi?

    If it was predetermined that I could lock up Hamels, I’d talk Romine/Noesi and see if they’d accept Eduardo Sosa, if they’re intent on a high upside CF prospect…if they want another arm, that too would be negotiable….Sosa has serious upside, but with Ravel and Mason around, he’s declined some on the depth chart…Noesi is a very good arm and ML ready, Romine could be a star or at least a good catcher with an above average bat, maybe not the power…That kind of package would be my limit.

  72. blake November 17th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    JAP,

    Agree with that entire post.

  73. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    They’re not entitled to boast about their record, when they were predicted to possibly miss the playoffs altogether?

    I disagree.

    And the message is not, “we’re so good we don’t need anything;” the message is, “we did well, so we don’t have to make moves in desperation.” Which means they can take their time and think before they act.

    And if the Yankees think Darvish makes sense, they’ll make a bid on him, but it still doesn’t guarantee they’ll get him. With Dice-K, the Red Sox uenxpectedly almost doubled the next closest bid. There WILL be a team that will do that, I believe.

    It seems to me that people get upset when they Yankees don’t do what they think the Yankees should do. I’m not saying the yankees don’t make mistakes, they do and they have, but I think that at least they have the necessary information to make informed decisions. And sometimes, you just end up being wrong. That’s life, that’s baseball.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    blake, I’ve been out of the loop. Is this package something floating around, or just an ESPN offseason daydream?

  75. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    86w183 November 17th, 2011 at 8:58 am
    Did anyone see the ESPN.com article suggesting a package of Banuelos, Noesi, Romine and Mason Williams for Cole Hamels?

    I think that’s awfully steep.
    _______
    Link for this?

    Yes, a trade for a one year rental would be foolhardy. Sounds like some writer’s random trade concoction without any consideration of players involved or any basis in reality.

  76. austinmac November 17th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    LGY,

    I would say fool me twice, shame on me. Have we forgotten Vasquez’ first time with the Yankees? Should they try Steve Trout again?

    I agree with the other posters who say the Yankees have few chances to use their money and the chances will only continue to reduce. Use it for Darvish and the Cubans, presuming the team does believe they have the talent.

    Saving money for the 2013 free agent class that will likely greatly be reduced is foolhardy in my opinion. We have no idea who will be available.

  77. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Villa, the creation of a deep farm has permitted us to act from strength in general. As per what I have suspected all along, most teams are locking up their young studly players and we have been aware of that inevitability as FA as we have known it bites the dust. We are strong now in the present, yet we have put ourselves in great position to very soon be able to choose from our own farm at multiple positions. It’s a win-win.

  78. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
    blake, I’ve been out of the loop. Is this package something floating around, or just an ESPN offseason daydream?
    ____
    Right; whose concoction is this trade? I can’t find a link, but seems like a silly invention of some writer rather than formulated by baseball types.

  79. blake November 17th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    JAP,

    I think its something that a Philly writer proposed….I saw it at RAB.

  80. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Pruf, Blake, Mason has all the potential in the world. I wouldn’t deal him. Period.

  81. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    blake, no wonder. What does a Philly writer know about our draft picks. :roll:

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Yes, a trade for a one year rental would be foolhardy. Sounds like some writer’s random trade concoction without any consideration of players involved or any basis in reality.
    ///

    That’s what it sounds like to me. We’re going to hear Williams’ name in these fantasy trades over and over again, I bet. Seems a kid that has everything going for him: we saw the tools in Brooklyn, but he’s also a guy whom even opposing managers get rhapsodic about. Seems to have that “Jeter” personality thing that you can’t quantify, too, according to his own manager, Yankee people, and as I said, even rival managers.

  83. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Pruf, see PP article–Slater Q&A (sub required) on Mason and Ravel. I still think we get Ravel in SS because he won’t be ready for Charleston. I can’t wait to see his arm from CF. It is supposed to be a rocket.

  84. Mike Ri November 17th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Heidi Watney is leaving NESN! . . . .ughhhhh . . i hate the Sox . . but she’s smoking hot ! .

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    blake November 17th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    JAP,

    I think its something that a Philly writer proposed….I saw it at RAB.
    ///

    Figures.

    yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    Pruf, Blake, Mason has all the potential in the world. I wouldn’t deal him. Period.
    ///

    He does look to be one of those. Can’t wait to get him here in Trenton so we can really keep an eye on him.

  86. LGY November 17th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    LGY,

    I would say fool me twice, shame on me. Have we forgotten Vasquez’ first time with the Yankees? Should they try Steve Trout again?

    ——–

    It’s easy to say this in hindsight but I hard time believing you were against the trade when initially announced.

    Javy was an All Star his first time here and then tried to pitch through injuries in the second half. He should have never been traded away after 2004.

  87. dogface November 17th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    I think its something that a Philly writer proposed….I saw it at RAB.

    ===============================

    It was Kevin Goldstein and some BP people who ran thru a list of 7-8 teams and possible packages they could put together to get Hamels. None of it was rumors. In fact, most rumors heard about Hamels say he is staying put. Simply speculation by some BP folks.

  88. blake November 17th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    YF,

    He’s a long ways away so I would deal him…..but it would have to be a special deal. Banuelos would be nearly untouchable for me.

  89. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    yankeefeminista -

    I agree with your 12:11 post.

    And when I saw Williams’ name in that trade proposal I knew you and JAP would weight in, and am glad you both did.

  90. DONNYBROOK November 17th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    What others predict for the Yanks is irrelevant. What’s important is what the Yankee hierachy expects of itself and the team on the field. Last season was ultimately a failure pure and simple. To trumpet the regular season record is an attempt to dodge that. And this making” informed decisions” is another dodge and pure blah\blah\blah. You make a call, and YOU take responsibility for it win or lose. That’s just weak.

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    Pruf, see PP article–Slater Q&A (sub required) on Mason and Ravel. I still think we get Ravel in SS because he won’t be ready for Charleston. I can’t wait to see his arm from CF. It is supposed to be a rocket.
    ////

    Haven’t seen it, thanks for the heads up. Yea the arm is supposed to be crazy. Still can’t believe that missile I saw in Brooklyn from Mason (Ravel’s arm supposed to be decidedly better: wow).

    I hope Ravel gets it all back. Serious, serious injury…

  92. blake November 17th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Oh it was Goldstein? My bad……what’s he smokin ….I don’t think either team would do that

  93. austinmac November 17th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    LGY,

    I was thrilled when they got Vasquez the first time but not the second. He seemed to crumble in key situations. Plus, my rule is if the Braves want to ditch a pitcher, stay away.

  94. Erin November 17th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    pcaldera Selig says it’s official: Astros sale goes through, Houston to AL West in 2013, new round of wild card playoffs too, possible for 2013.

  95. blake November 17th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 30 mins #redsox trying to hire omar minaya as special assistant, reports @MaureenaMullen

    Lol

  96. Erin November 17th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    BloggingBombers Astros move to AL will happen in 2013; Selig uncertain if second wild card will start in 2012 or 2013.

    DKnobler Selig on schedule details: “That’s all for later.”

  97. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    ** weigh in.

  98. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    dogface November 17th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
    I think its something that a Philly writer proposed….I saw it at RAB.

    ===============================

    It was Kevin Goldstein and some BP people who ran thru a list of 7-8 teams and possible packages they could put together to get Hamels. None of it was rumors. In fact, most rumors heard about Hamels say he is staying put. Simply speculation by some BP folks.
    ///

    thanks.

  99. blake November 17th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    I loved the Boone Logan trade at the time ;)

  100. austinmac November 17th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    I like Williams a great deal, but I cancelled my PinstripePlus subscription long ago. Every Yankee prospect is a sure fire all-star in their evaluations.

    I would not trade any player with a big upside. Their are only a few in every organization and they should be untouchable.

  101. Erin November 17th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    DKnobler Selig says no final decision on wild-card play-in, but likely to be one-game

  102. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    blake, considering Mason’s potential, and Heathcott’s and Ravel’s injury concerns I would not. I agree about Manny B.

    Villa, Pruf, Mason will be much more valuable than he is now, going forward. He is awesome as a mere string bean, and he will develop power, going forward.

    dogface, surprised that Goldstein would include all those prospects for a Hamels rental. Goldstein should know better.

  103. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    To trumpet the regular season record is an attempt to dodge that.
    ///

    Winning the AL East over the course of 162 games is a significant achievement.

  104. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    austinmac, PP is useful, if used judiciously. Ditto, any other prospect site. My opinions on Mason, and others, are based on having seen him/them play.

  105. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Well, Donnybrook, you and I will never agree that last year was a failure. They failed to advance in the playoffs, and that is disappointing. But to say an entire season is a failure, when there were a lot of successes along the way sets you up to never be happy, to never enjoy what you have.

    And I am satisfied with a team management that is not short-sighted and does not, as a rule, make knee-jerk moves (though they have at times). Wish it could all work out perfectly all the time, but I think that it’s more than any fan could ask for to have a team that constantly contends and does the work necessary to be in that position.

    There are 30 teams, all of whom (most of whom) are working toward the same goal. The other teams do not exist to feed the Yankees.

  106. blake November 17th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    YF,

    True…..but he hasn’t even played in the Sally yet……he’s a long way away and a lot can happen between now and when he would project to be in the bigs. It would have to be a special circumstance because of his upside…..but I think you have to be careful about putting untouchable tags on kids that are that young.

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    yankeefem, I see Mason stealing 40-plus bases and lining inside pitches into the RF seats for years to come.

    My mouth waters if I allow myself to think of an OF with him and Ravel in it. Maybe we wouldn’t need a 3rd OF ;).

  108. blake November 17th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Joelsherman1 2 hours In case #Redsox forgot Ted Turner did manage 1 game and is available

  109. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    LGY, FTR, I was always against the Javy trade.

    However, I agree that the first time he was traded it was a knee-jerk reaction to his postseason “failure.” Although he was put in a position to fail, bringing him in in a relief appearance in the middle of an inning with the bases loaded against a batter who had owned him?

  110. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    blake, I put untouchable tags on very few players. Right now, Mason would be one of them. His ceiling is so high. And I am sure he would not be the dealbreaker for a GM, so why include him?

  111. Erin November 17th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    New Post: No surprises from Selig in post-meetings address

    :arrow:

  112. LGY November 17th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    LGY, FTR, I was always against the Javy trade.

    ——

    That is something I do NOT have a hard time believing. Next you’ll tell me Prufrock was against it as well :P

  113. blake November 17th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    .” And I am sure he would not be the dealbreaker for a GM, so why include him?”

    Just saying if he was…..and he stood in the way of getting a Hamels or Cain etc…..then I would include him in a special situation like that. Now if 2 years from now he’s doing it at Trenton…..different story.

  114. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Here was BP article: http://www.baseballprospectus......leid=15534 (sub required to read part on Yankees prospects,) but looks like Goldstein was just “playing along” but advised against dealing for Hamels. Also included other teams’ prospective prospects that might be in a deal for Hamels…

  115. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    blake, he will be “doing it” at Trenton. That is the story that I am projecting. Give them someone else.

  116. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    blake, I’d trade Heathcott before I’d think of dealing Williams.

    I love Slade, but he’s got a little too much Rowand in him to convince me he’s a safe bet to stay on the field. Williams gets the same results with “effortlessness”….Also, the Williams kid doesn’t seem to have the usual issues guys at his level do. Granted, I’ve only seen one live game, so I’ll need to see more of what I saw that day in Brooklyn, but he just stands out, not just for his tools, but his seeming understanding of what’s going on around him on the field, and the bat already looks mature with upside…Let’s put it this way, if any prospect at that level can wear the “untouchable” label, this might be the kid…he’s like the anti-Melky Mesa….

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    LGY: Bring back the Viz! :(

  118. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    LGY, I will take that as a compliment. ;) By getting Javy, we basically kissed Joba’s life as an SP good bye, not to mention who we gave up. Viz was not a must have; Cash blew it.

  119. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Pruf, I agree about Heathcott. He is elite, but the K’s and the general overaggressiveness on both sides of the ball trouble me, as well as the chronic shoulder problems.

  120. LGY November 17th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Yes, I do appreciate your enthusiasm for the baby bombers even if I don’t always agree.

  121. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    By getting Javy, we basically kissed Joba’s life as an SP good bye, not to mention who we gave up. Viz was not a must have; Cash blew it.
    ///

    I’m not so sure the Braves would have done it, though, without Viz. They’re pretty savvy about pitching. WE should not have done it, however. Totally agree about the white flag on Joba…

    Time to get back to work & hopefully get some lurking in later ;).

    Good one, all.

  122. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
    Pruf, I agree about Heathcott. He is elite, but the K’s and the general overaggressiveness on both sides of the ball trouble me, as well as the chronic shoulder problems.
    ///

    The shoulder worries me. Helluva player, though. See you later :D.

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