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Preparing for the Rule 5 draft

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 17, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tomorrow is the deadline to protect eligible players from the Rule 5 draft. That means adding some prospects to the 40-man roster. As a general rule, the eligible players are college draftees from 2008 and anyone from the 2007 draft or earlier. High school picks from 2007 are eligible for the first time. International players are more complicated (and confusing).

The Yankees took care of two spots late in the regular season when they added Austin Romine and George Kontos for September call-ups. Those two would have been eligible, and would have been easy choices for protection.

My own prediction: These four stand out as players the Yankees will choose to protect this winter:

David Phelps
Right-handed pitcher
2011: Went 6-6 with a 3.19 ERA in Triple-A

Part of that long list of upper-level rotation prospects, Phelps was a 14th-round pick out of Notre Dame in 2008. He’s been productive throughout the minors and just won the Arizona Fall League’s Pitcher of the Week award. Real chance he could stick on another team’s big league roster out of spring training, and a real chance he would play a role for the Yankees next season. Should be an easy decision to protect him. The Yankees might have tipped their hand when they invited Phelps to observe the big league club late in the season. Probably wouldn’t do that if they were going to risk losing him in the Rule 5.

D.J. Mitchell
Right-handed pitcher
2011: Went 13-9 with a 3.18 ERA in Triple-A.

A ground ball pitcher, Mitchell was a 10th-round pick out of Clemson in 2008. He was arguably the most consistent starter in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre this season, and he could play a role as either a starter or long reliever next season. Just like Phelps, there’s a very real chance that he could stick on another team’s big league roster out of spring training, and he’s certainly in that mix of young pitchers who could help the Yankees immediately. Looks like another easy decision to me. He’s one of the pitchers consistently named as a young candidate for a back-of-the-rotation spot should the Yankees have an opening.

Corban Joseph
Second baseman
2011: Hit .277 with 38 doubles in Double-A.

Joseph is an exception to the rule. A good rule of thumb says high school kids from the 2008 draft are not yet eligible, but the rule is really based on age, and Joseph was old for a high school draft pick when the Yankees took him in the fourth round. Because of his age, Joseph is eligible, and that means he’s likely to be protected. He’s kind of a Kevin Russo-type in that he’s been a steady hitter through the minors with most of his experience coming at second and third (my guess is he could learn the outfield quickly and could play shortstop in an absolute pinch). Could be a helpful utility man.

Zoilo Almonte
Outfielder
2011: Hit .276 with 15 home runs between High-A and Double-A.

After a bit of a breakout season, Almonte looks like this winter’s Melky Mesa: He’s finally had the kind of success the Yankees wanted to see, and now it’s time to protect him despite limited upper-level success. With limited outfield depth — largely because a lot of the 40-man outfielders are out of options — Almonte could fills a need at a thin position. He also has some upside as a corner outfielder who’s starting to show some power (he has some center field experience as well). The Yankees would have to hope he doesn’t follow Mesa’s footsteps with a lackluster first season on the 40-man.

Four notable players exposed

David Adams – Injury cost him most of the past two seasons. Second baseman was a third-round pick in 2008 and could easily put himself back on the map with a strong season, but for now he’s got to earn a spot.

Abe Almonte – Hard to be certain about international guys, but Almonte seems to be eligible at this point. He had a strong second half last season, but that was in High-A, and his track record doesn’t suggest a big-league-ready outfielder.

Brad Suttle – Third baseman out of Texas came into the system with a promising bat, but injuries have slowed his progress and the numbers have not impressed.

Pat Venditte – The Yankees switch-pitcher has posted consistent results but still hasn’t pitched above Double-A.

Jorge Vazquez, Manny Banuelos and Adam Warren are among the Yankees top prospects who are not yet eligible for the Rule 5 despite being upper-level players. 

 
 

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103 Responses to “Preparing for the Rule 5 draft”

  1. spidanyc November 17th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Dave Adams is a Pedroia clone. PROTECT HIM!!

  2. champ809 November 17th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Sure hope that Abe Almonte and Dave Adams don’t get stolen away from us. Both are guys that are poised- health permitting – to have true breakout years this upcoming season.

    If Abe can get off to a hat start he will be highly sought after this time next year….got a real good feeling about both him and Zoilo this year in Trenton.

    If Dave Adams comes into camp healthy then he will commence to rakin’ and will most definitely be a big chip come the trade deadline…middle infielder, turns a great DP and is a hitting machine with great hitting fundamentals and a real grinder.

  3. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    So, if you’re not eligible, it means you don’t have to be protected? Is that correct?

  4. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    champ809

    Wasn’t it Dave Adams who sacrificed his ankle to make sure Montero stayed a Yankee? ;)

  5. Nick in SF November 17th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    It was David Adams’ ankle that acted as cover for Jack Z’s nefarious ineptitude that saved our franchise, yes.

    And also yes, ineligible players don’t have to be protected, so other teams can’t just raid our system willy-nilly.

    Which is a good thing, I’ve read that Willy Nilly is very toolsy and could make our 2017 outfield.

  6. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Hopefully, we get both Adams and Abe back. Venditte shouldn’t be protected, but we will see what the Yanks choose to do.

  7. LGY November 17th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Sure hope that Abe Almonte and Dave Adams don’t get stolen away from us. Both are guys that are poised- health permitting – to have true breakout years this upcoming season.

    ————-

    Is Abe Almonte supposed to be a legit prospect?

    He’s been in the system for 6 years and hasn’t done anything particularly notable.

  8. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Nick in SF -

    :)

  9. blake November 17th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 1 hour I will say this about valentine, he wouldn’t stand for chicken and beer parties. Fake mustaches allowed tho. #V

    SI_JonHeyman 1 hour Boston ownership has talked with valentine (via multiple reports) about managers job. Lucchino has long liked bobby v.

  10. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Venditte probably shouldn’t, but he’s been a lot better than anyone expected. A lot more than a curiosity.

  11. LGY November 17th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Hopefully Bobby V gets the job just so we don’t have to listen to him on Sunday Night Baseball anymore.

  12. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 17th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Here’s the scoop on free agent pitching folks:

    None of the so-called upper tier options are worth the $$ they will command. Simple as that.

    CJ Wilson is 31 and looking for a 6 year contract. He’d be a nice add, but at $120M??? No thanks. I’d rather the Yankees built their rotation next year around CC, Nova, and Hughes, bring back Freddy Garcia as the fifth starter or sign Buerhle, and look your # 2 or # 3 via trade.

    The guy I’d like to see us acquire is John Danks from Chicago and he should be more than available if we send them back Austin Romine and a couple pitching prospects, one of which will have to be Banuelos or Betances. I see no issue in that.

    Bottom line is the pitching options on the free agent market are not worth the cost they’ll command. Edwin Jackson has been shipped to four different teams in the past 2 years for a reason. Red Flag.

    If CJ Wilson was 3 or 4 years younger, I’d give him 6 or 7 years but that is not the case. Let Anaheim have him.

    Finally, ship AJ’s backside to anyone willing to take him and even 1/3 of his remaining $ and send us back bullpen or bench help.

  13. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    If Bobby V. gets that job, he should introduce his dentist to Peter Gammons, who will now be hanging all over him.

  14. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    LGY -

    Amen to that!!! ;)

    Except the Yankees play the Red Sox 18 (18!!!!!) times, so we’d get more than our fill. AND, a lot of those games are on Fox. It will definitely be Bobby V overkill.

  15. Red Robin November 17th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Hello Friends .

    :)

  16. blake November 17th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    “Hopefully Bobby V gets the job just so we don’t have to listen to him on Sunday Night Baseball anymore.”

    That was my first thought as well……though I do think he’d be good for the Sox ….which I don’t like.

  17. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Okay.

    I finally have to ask. What am I missing about Danks?

    Is he simply the pitcher du saison?

  18. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    LGY, Abe batted around .315 second half with 18 doubles, 9 triples, 3 homers, and I believe 17 stolen bases. He also has speed, a plus arm and solid D. I’d love to see how he progresses next year; hopefully, with us. Now if he could only stay healthy…

  19. blake November 17th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    “I finally have to ask. What am I missing about Danks?”

    He’s not a #1…….but he’s very solid and at 26 may still have room to grow. He’s pretty much what they Yanks could use in their rotation….

  20. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    The guy I’d like to see us acquire is John Danks from Chicago and he should be more than available if we send them back Austin Romine and a couple pitching prospects, one of which will have to be Banuelos or Betances. I see no issue in that.
    ///

    No sale.

  21. LGY November 17th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Fem

    Thanks for the info on Abe’s second half

    Blake

    Bobby V won’t take any crap from the Fried Chicken Club but I remember him being a pretty bad in game manager.

  22. Baseball Mogul November 17th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Danks can give them 180+ innings without costing 100 million while giving them flexibility because he’s on the last year of his deal.

  23. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 17th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    blake,

    Precisely. He’s still young, throws hard, and he’s a lefty. He’s definitely a solid #2 and his numbers last year would have been a lot better had he gotten any offensive support.

    If he’s available, he’s a guy worth dealing for.

    Also, remember that Darvish is a possibility. I think the Yanks will ultimately pass on that chance, but you never know.

    How many people on here think the Angels are crazy if they don’t sign Pujols or Fielder? I’d guess it’ll be hard for them to sign Wilson and one of those guys, but you never know.

  24. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
    LGY, Abe batted around .315 second half with 18 doubles, 9 triples, 3 homers, and I believe 17 stolen bases. He also has speed, a plus arm and solid D. I’d love to see how he progresses next year; hopefully, with us. Now if he could only stay healthy…
    ///

    yea, & he was really blossoming a couple years ago I think it was and screwed up his leg or shoulder or something, can’t remember exactly. I was glad to see him rebound so nicely.

  25. blake November 17th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    LGY,

    All he’d have to do is keep the best team ever roster in line…..how hard can it be? ;)

  26. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    I guess it all comes down to cost and what the Yankees consider is good value.

    Thanks for the answers on Danks, guys.

    I wouldn’t give up any of the top prospects (the Bs) for him, though. Especially if we’re looking at him as a one-year fill in?

    I might consider Romine (oh, gosh, I really don’t want to trade him!) in a package with other pitchers.

    Again, I hate hot stove stuff, and trade speculation. Not my favorite part of baseball.

  27. blake November 17th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    JAP,

    Yea I wouldn’t trade Betances or Banuelos for him……but. Id do Romine and a Warren or Phelps or something like that.

  28. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    No way you trade an A prospect power pitcher for a contact pitcher like Danks.

  29. Baseball Mogul November 17th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    With Cashman even thinking about a multi year contract for Martin, Romine has to be trade chip #1. He & Phelps/Warren/Mitchell for Danks.

  30. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    tyanks, shout out! Any weigh-in on the Tampa position players? You saw Abe a lot in second half, no? Adams still was hobbled somewhat. What did you see from him?

  31. blake November 17th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    “He & Phelps/Warren/Mitchell for Danks.”

    Yea Id do that……whether that’s enough probably will depends on who else gets involved …..you know the Rangers will.

  32. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    But I don’t want anyone traded “just because.” it has to be a good trade. I don’t want to be facing Romine somewhere down the road after one year of Danks, wishing the deal had never been done.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    blake November 17th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
    JAP,

    Yea I wouldn’t trade Betances or Banuelos for him……but. Id do Romine and a Warren or Phelps or something like that.
    ///

    I tried to post this five times! I couldn’t see going higher than that for him. Romine and Warren could help a team, no question. I might want to save Romine for something better, though.

  34. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Pruf, I agree about Romine. He is a very good trade trip. If we plan to make some uber-deal; I too would save Romine for that.

  35. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    trade *chip* not trip. :D

  36. Baseball Mogul November 17th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    That’s why taking on Thornton too makes sense. I don’t know if Texas would be willing to go there. What CHW wants in return is also an issue obviously.

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
    No way you trade an A prospect power pitcher for a contact pitcher like Danks.
    ///

    Betances has been traded so many times on this board, his head must be spinning ;) .

  38. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
    yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
    No way you trade an A prospect power pitcher for a contact pitcher like Danks.
    ///

    Betances has been traded so many times on this board, his head must be spinning.
    _____
    As long as his arm stays intact and he doesn’t move his head too much during his delivery.

  39. blake November 17th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    ” I don’t want to be facing Romine somewhere down the road after one year of Danks”

    The Yankees are very deep at catcher….Montero, Martin, Sanchez……reports are Murpheys defense is improving. If he develops as many think he will then Sanchez is going to be the future catcher…..

    JAP,

    Save him for what? Danks would be a nice return I think.

  40. blake November 17th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    I would take on Thornton to facilitate a deal…..is not my money though.

  41. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    yankeefeminista -

    that’s what I feel about Romine. I realize he’s an attractive trade piece; I wish the yankees could keep ‘em all. But even understanding the business side, and trying to not be too attached, you can’t just give the guy away.

    Conflicted. That’s what I am.

  42. Red Robin November 17th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Any comments from Cashman regarding the potential acquisition of Ainge, Santiago, or Don Kelly ?

  43. Red Robin November 17th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Time for that new post , Chad .

  44. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    blake -

    I fully admit I don’t like parting with players for other teams’ players. Especially pitchers.

    And I know the Yankees can’t keep them all. I really do know that. But I’ve seen Romine play and i really like what I see. Sanchez is too far away for me to focus on. And when I saw him play he ws DHing, with Murphy catching, so I can’t really judge.

  45. blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Romine isn’t going to be a centerpiece to bring him back a star player/pitcher. Danks is about as much a return as I see being realistic if he’s the main guy.

  46. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    blake November 17th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
    I would take on Thornton to facilitate a deal…..is not my money though.
    _____
    +1 if we don’t deal the big boys. ChiSox salary relief should count for something.

  47. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Romine isn’t a centerpiece but he is a very nice 3-package piece. Especially considering he will be an above average hitter in the majors.

  48. blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    I love how Romine receives the ball…..he’s got a chance to be a really good defender behind the dish…….but Im not sure how much he will hit in the big leagues and I this k they have enough depth there to part with him. If I had my wish…..Montero will put a headlock on the position sometime this year……we shall see.

  49. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    above average hitting *catcher*

  50. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 17th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    I don’t know what Danks’ contract status is but if we picked him up, it wouldn’t be as a one year rental.

    There’s no way the Yankees will get that guy without giving up Betances or Banuelos.

    I’m fine with giving up either or. Danks has a track record, neither of those guys has done anything of note at the major league level. That’s not to say they won’t have illustrious careers, but they are prospects, people.

    Our farm is absolutely stacked right now. If we want to win relatively soon, its time to start looking at trade options and trimming some of the fat.

    I’m sure a number of others could be available, but how many true difference making starters are available out there? Not many.

    If we can make a deal and still hang on to Banuelos or Bettances, plus Montero, I see no reason whatsoever to balk at dealing for a difference-maker. Danks may not be that guy, I don’t know, but its time to poop or get off the pot.

  51. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Romine is a really nice hitter. He may not have the power that Montero has, but he’s a double guy, good situational guy, I think.

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    JAP,

    Save him for what? Danks would be a nice return I think.
    //

    I like Danks, and he’s still young, I might do it. But we got C and Manny’s knocking on the door. I dunno, what if they put a package together and got a hot shot COF back or something.

  53. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 17th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    regarding Romine, I like him too, but if we have Martin as well as Montero, plus Sanchez and whoever else in the minors, you have depth. again, trim the fat.

    i want to win and a surplus of catchers is not the road to the trophy.

  54. blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    “Especially considering he will be an above average hitter in the majors.”

    Haven’t seen much evidence of this ……either in minor league track record or his swing which is kinda longish

  55. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Villa, Sanchez’s talent has me as giddy as that of Montero. We also have an arsenal of very solid catchers behind them, such that we can waste Romine in a worthy deal.

  56. blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Banuelos and Betances aren’t equal prospects in my mind.

  57. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    blake, hitter as a catcher.

  58. Baseball Mogul November 17th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    I’d rather pay Danks and Thornton a guaranteed 20 or so than see them spend 75-100 on Wilson/Jackson/Darvish. The way they talk about Martin means there is no room for Romine, especially if they think that Montero can catch (even on a part-time basis).

  59. blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    Romine and Montero’s swings and bat speed aren’t even in the sane stratosphere.

  60. jacksquat November 17th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Am I the only one here who likes Bobby Valentine? :)

  61. blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    “blake, hitter as a catcher.”

    They have Martin if they want one of those…..

  62. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    I am trying to wrap my head around “no room for Romine,” and being able to waste Romine.

    I do see that. It always takes me a while to warm up to certain ideas. :)

    Theoretically, I know that surplus means you can deal for areas of need, so I’m theoretically okay with that.

    Sometimes, I wonder if going to Trenton games and seeing some of these guys up close compromises my neutrality. :)

  63. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    blake, I can see Romine hitting around .280 with 10-15 homers and around a .340 OBP. Maybe around a .750 OPS.

  64. raymagnetic November 17th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    All John Danks gas done is pitch worse since he’s been in the league.

    You don’t trade multiple players for Danks. Warren and Phelps will probably be equal or better than Danks.

    If I’m trading for a pitcher I want somebody good. Ie not John Danks. Jmo thoufh.

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Betances has the higher ceiling, but also comes with more risk, although that has been overstated, IMO.

  66. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Sorry, meant higher ceiling than Manny.

  67. blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    “blake, I can see Romine hitting around .280 with 10-15 homers and around a .340 OBP. Maybe around a .750 OPS.”

    That’s a borderline all star….his minor league numbers don’t suggest that. I hope you’re right though :)

  68. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
    blake, I can see Romine hitting around .280 with 10-15 homers and around a .340 OBP. Maybe around a .750 OPS.
    ///

    I think that’s fair. Romine is a nice hitter who is still developing. He needs more time.

  69. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    blake, I am not arguing to keep Romine. My point is another team will find him valuable because he gives you some bat along with his catching. And his hitting is behind. Remember he essentially came from AA to the majors. He is not ready to hit mlb pitching.

  70. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    yankeefeminista -

    Have you seen a lot of Sanchez? I only got to see the one game, as I said, and he DH’d and had a rough day on top of it. I won’t ever state an opinion based on one time, unless it’s outstanding/remarkable either way (like when I saw Stoneburner 2 years ago).

  71. RadioKev November 17th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
    Romine isn’t going to be a centerpiece to bring him back a star player/pitcher. Danks is about as much a return as I see being realistic if he’s the main guy.
    ————-

    I agree, and I think it would be a “fair” deal for both sides. Romine seems to project to be a solid starting catcher in the MLB. That’s a good return for a Danks rental coming off of an off season. I’d do that trade and not look back.

    Keeping Romine isn’t a bad option either, I wouldn’t want to get rid of the guy. It does seem that there’s room for both Romine and Montero at the Major League level.

    I wouldn’t trade Betances unless it’s for a high upside guy. He’s a high upside prospect.

    I’ve been thinking about how much I love that Montero is still on this team. GB7 said a couple of nights ago he’d only trade Montero for Kershaw, and I pretty much agree. He’s worth the top shelf guys and nothing lower. A real blue chip prospect.

  72. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    That’s a borderline all star….his minor league numbers don’t suggest that. I hope you’re right though
    ///

    He’s a better hitter than he’s shown in his cameos up here. I’ve seen him run off some impressive streaks where he’s handling the bat very well, going the other way and such. He doesn’t take enough pitches, but he’s still rounding into shape. I don’t think those numbers are out of his reach, though.

  73. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
    “blake, I can see Romine hitting around .280 with 10-15 homers and around a .340 OBP. Maybe around a .750 OPS.”

    That’s a borderline all star….his minor league numbers don’t suggest that. I hope you’re right though.
    _____
    He is a very good situational hitter, but his bat is no where near ready for prime time. He has had some concussion and neck issues or his milb numbers would be much better. He essentially has raked at Trenton and carried that club at times. He really had a stellar 2011 season if not for the injuries. But he isn’t a great OBP guy, but he will have more pop than most catchers. Still he needs more time in the minors.

  74. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    Pruf, yes he goes the other way very well.

  75. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    I’ve been thinking about how much I love that Montero is still on this team. GB7 said a couple of nights ago he’d only trade Montero for Kershaw, and I pretty much agree. He’s worth the top shelf guys and nothing lower. A real blue chip prospect.
    ////

    I doubt I’d trade Montero for Kershaw. Betances or Banuelos, yes.

  76. blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    “Sorry, meant higher ceiling than Manny.’”

    Eh…..Daniel Cabrera probably had a higher ceiling than Ricky Romero. Not saying Betances is Cabrera or anything…….just saying that ceiling is only as good as a guys chance of reaching it. I don’t buy his ceiling being higher than Manny anyway……

  77. blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Hope you guys are right on Romine…….unless he gets traded then I hope you’re wrong ;)

  78. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
    Banuelos and Betances aren’t equal prospects in my mind.
    ________
    Banuelos is a more finished product. However, take a trip to see Betances pitch in the minors when he has everything working for him than tell me that. They are both A prospects and quite comparable as far as ranking them goes. However, Betances has the higher ceiling and greater risk. I think everyone agrees on that.

  79. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    *then*

  80. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank November 17th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Why is Venditte never moved up to see if he’s any good? He’s put up decent #s..
    A waste playing at AA ,and losing guys if you never give them a shot.

  81. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
    yankeefeminista -

    Have you seen a lot of Sanchez? I only got to see the one game, as I said, and he DH’d and had a rough day on top of it. I won’t ever state an opinion based on one time, unless it’s outstanding/remarkable either way (like when I saw Stoneburner 2 years ago).
    _____
    I saw him twice live. His bat is stupendous; it’s undeniable. I have also seen him on video a lot. Only Yankee position prospect that I have ever seen that I would even put in the same sentence as Montero.

  82. Villa Nova-Ya November 17th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Thanks, yankeefeminista.

  83. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    Trigeminal, Venditte was in his first full year at AA. Really wasn’t ready for AAA, especially with who was ahead of him. If he sticks around, maybe. But I am not sure that he deserves to be added to 40 man. I wouldn’t add him, but with the dearth of lefties, we’ll see…

  84. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    Villa, how often do you go to Trenton?

  85. 108 stitches November 17th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    No interest in Danks as a 1 year rental before he becomes a free agent after 2012. Unless the advice of Billy Eppler and Stick Michael can convince Cashman that Danks has a lot of upside, no deal especially without a window to sign for 3-4 years. Safer to go shorter term with Buehrle to keep things warm for the entrance of Banuelos.

  86. J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
    “Sorry, meant higher ceiling than Manny.’”

    Eh…..Daniel Cabrera probably had a higher ceiling than Ricky Romero. Not saying Betances is Cabrera or anything…….just saying that ceiling is only as good as a guys chance of reaching it. I don’t buy his ceiling being higher than Manny anyway……
    ///

    Betances when on is simply overwhelming. His FB is overpowering and his secondary stuff is knockout. Manny’s really good, and I’ve seen him dominate, but the idea that he’s got Betances’ type arsenal with more guile & that Betances is a guy who, when he’s off, has nowhere to go, is a polarization that does not reflect the reality, IMO.

  87. blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    YF,

    he’s a more finished product and he’s 3 years younger……and a big reason why js he has a much more repeatable delivery. Being able to repeat a delivery is everything……its what seperates guys at the highest level…..

  88. blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    AJ has overpowering stuff…..so do a lot of guys…..that’s only a piece of the puzzle.

  89. Joe from Long Island November 17th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    V-Neuralgia – from what I’ve read, Venditte throws at mid-to-high 80s. That may have something to do with his spending time at AA, and their not being sure what he will develop into.

  90. LGY November 17th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    blake will like this

    @Joelsherman1
    Think Reyes will be a Marlin, Danks will be a Yankee, Pujols will stay a Cardinal and, yes, Demi left Ashton for me. OK, go ahead

  91. Joe from Long Island November 17th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    good twittering by sherman, lol…….

  92. blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    LGY,

    :)

  93. LGY November 17th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Joelsherman1
    @MLBDAILYDOSE think they badly want to add 200-inning certainty like Buehrle, Danks, plus a LH reliever. Then value shop for depth

    Joelsherman1
    @Lock12 think Yanks would protect Montero, Banuelos, maybe Betances, then offer 3 pieces led by maybe Romine

  94. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    blake, yes clearly Banuelos has a more repeatable delivery, but he gets mechanically out of whack as well. If you saw Manny pitch every game, you would know that. Similarly, Dellin goes for many games where he does in fact repeat his delivery fine. You are judging him on how many pitches thrown? Also, Dellin is 6’8, so when he gets out of whack, it is more problematic than a shorter pitcher. Look how long it took Randy Johnson to find his arm slot.

    As for age, you have to realize with Dellin that he had arm injuries and lost time because of that. He hasn’t really pitched to the number of innings that coordinate with his age. Dellin’s only reached 100 innings twice in his minor league career (in 2008 and this past year). So, being healthy going forward will impact how quickly he is mlb ready.

  95. LGY November 17th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    munz1870
    @Joelsherman1 would the Yanks consider trading Hughes?

    Joelsherman1
    @munz1870 yes, but it would have to be part of a deal to get a significant starter and I don’t see that starter available right now

  96. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock November 17th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
    blake November 17th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
    “Sorry, meant higher ceiling than Manny.’”

    Eh…..Daniel Cabrera probably had a higher ceiling than Ricky Romero. Not saying Betances is Cabrera or anything…….just saying that ceiling is only as good as a guys chance of reaching it. I don’t buy his ceiling being higher than Manny anyway……
    ///

    Betances when on is simply overwhelming. His FB is overpowering and his secondary stuff is knockout. Manny’s really good, and I’ve seen him dominate, but the idea that he’s got Betances’ type arsenal with more guile & that Betances is a guy who, when he’s off, has nowhere to go, is a polarization that does not reflect the reality, IMO.
    _____
    Exactly.

  97. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Phil should come into camp in the best shape of his life. Let’s just hope he doesn’t overmuscle at the expense of flexibility. Yoga, please, Hughes.

    And your hockey team is playing mine tonight. Down w/the Bolts!

  98. LGY November 17th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    TownDrunk81
    @Joelsherman1 you think yanks will offer incentive laden contract to Grady? High risk, high reward type deal.

    @Joelsherman1
    @TownDrunk81 only if they included Gardner in a trade and don’t anticipate that. front office/Girardi love Gardner

  99. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Add Thornton to the deal, please.

  100. yankeefeminista November 17th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Anything of note on Yankees baseball daily?

  101. RadioKev November 17th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    LGY November 17th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
    munz1870
    @Joelsherman1 would the Yanks consider trading Hughes?

    Joelsherman1
    @munz1870 yes, but it would have to be part of a deal to get a significant starter and I don’t see that starter available right now
    ——–

    Yeah, basically. Who’s the guy they’re trading for? They’d only trade for a clear upgrade, but I just can’t imagine a match.

  102. GreenBeret7 November 17th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Thornton had his worst year in the last 4 years, he’s 35 years old and gets $18 mil over the next 3 years. allowed more hits and walks and fewer strikeouts per 9 innings than in any of the previous 3 years.

  103. yankzfan1 November 18th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    I have a question: I thought that if this was your fourth Rule5 draft while in the organization that you would be eligible for it? Do you know if this is true? If it is Jorge Vazquez is eligible. He signed in December 2008 before the Rule5 draft!!! Please let me know the exact rule if he is not eligible. Thanks

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