Cashman prefers to use young pitching for depth and development
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 18, 2011 
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As he keeps talking about the need to add depth to the big league rotation, Brian Cashman also continues to tout the potential of his upper-level pitching talent. As a worst-case scenario, the ability to plug proven minor leaguers into the back of the rotation isn’t a bad thing, but Cashman prefers to keep his prospects developing for the time being.
“We need the depth,” Cashman said this week in Milwaukee. “Noesi’s pitching well in the Dominican right now, and he’s finishing off his innings. He’s definitely going to come into camp, and we have high hopes for him. So that’s one. Phelps just came off the Arizona Fall League Pitcher of the Week, so he’s doing well getting the innings that he lost because of the injury in the summer. You’ve got Mitchell. You’ve got Warren. You’ve got the youngsters that want to exceed their developmental program which is Betances and Banuelos. So, where they all fit (remains to be seen).”
For obvious reasons, Betances and Banuelos get the most ink. They’re considered the most talented arms in the system, and they each reached Triple-A this year. Betances got a few big league innings.
“Those guys need more innings,” Cashman said. “They should get more innings, but sometimes players that have exceptional talent can jump their programs. Those guys have got exceptional talent. I think they’ll need more innings, and I think they won’t start the season with the New York Yankees. They’ll be with the Empire State Yankees, our Triple-A team that will be nomadic. We’ll see. We’ll find out where they go from here.
“… Again, I expect it to be CC, A.J., Hughes, Nova, and the rest of it is going to come from that pack below, or it will come from an outside source that we have negotiated with or trade for.”
Associated Press photos
This is the Yankees present 40 man roster which has 34 players on it. If it was my decision, Colin Curtis, George Kontos, Kevin Whelen, either Golson or Dickerson and Ramiro Pena would be removed and try including whelen or Kontos in a deal. Zoilo Almonte will get on spot. Use those new open spots to protect a few of the better Rule 5 eligible players and try moving them in a larger deal. Either Adams or Joseph will go somewhere else.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com…..p?c_id=nyy
D-Rob break:
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Not much talk about Graham Stoneburner and Shaeffer Hall, who should be ready for the AAA rotation. I read that Hall may go to the bullpen as a lefty reliever…maybe Chad posted that from Milwaukee.
If the White Sox are high on Romine, you offer them Romine for Danks straight up and take it from there. Romine and Phelps or Romine and Corban Joseph might get it done.
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Does Cespedes think that this is the posting fee or what?
pgammo Peter Gammons
Scouts in Dominican say Cespedes parameters between $35-50M
“The only other position I could possibly see other than DH or 1B is 3B, but I have no idea if he has the glove for 3B.”
betovilla7 “La idea es q’CON A-Rod, Jesús Montero aprenda a jugar tercera base; le daría mejor movilidada para primera y catcher”. B.Cashman.
Cashman says Montero will learn to play third base with A-Rod and that could help him with better movement at first and catcher. ?????
I’m a little out of lately (lots of sick kids), but who are the Empire State Yankees? Is that formerly Scranton WilkesBarr Yankees?
It’s SWB, but they have no home this year.
They don’t? What happened with the Scranton PA site??
Does Cespedes think that this is the posting fee or what?
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Many seem to believe this guy will get more than the $30.25M that A. Chapman got from the Reds.
sunny – It’s under water from all of the flooding.
I thought the same thing ? Empire yanks?
Funny,,, swb on hiatus
I dreamt last night about Hughes ginving up a monstrous and meaningful homer to Longoria
MarcCarig Good to see that the BLUE Jays have reintroduced a lot of blue in their new/old unis. http://bit.ly/rKJ9Aj
A lotta what Cashman says in reference to the young arms is akin to that of a carnival barker. He’s driving up the price of these guys for any potentially interested buyer. PT Barnum would be proud.
I think a lot of teams viewed Chapman as a reliever and that kept his price down…..I’d say Cespedes will beat his number as well.
I dreamt last night about Hughes ginving up a monstrous and meaningful homer to Longoria
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lol lol thats a nightmare
Latest On Upcoming CBA
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [November 18 at 11:40am CST]
Baseball’s owners and players have agreed to a new collective bargaining agreement that should be announced early next week. Here are some details on the CBA, which ensures 21 years of labor peace for MLB:
•Dan Knobler of CBSSports.com reports (on Twitter) that teams can lose future draft picks if they spend beyond the recommended bonuses.
•Several GMs are livid over the restraints on draft spending, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Rosenthal also points out that commissioner Bud Selig, Rob Manfred of MLB and union leader Michael Weiner deserve credit for coming to an agreement peacefully.
•There won’t be hard caps for draft choices under the new CBA, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (on Twitter). However, there will be recommended bonuses and tax implications for teams that go way over the suggested limits.
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champ809 November 18th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
The Yanks I think end up with Danks for a package of Romine+DJ Mitchell+ Kyle Roller type corner bat AA player.
That would be a very fair package for both teams….The White Sox get some upside players who may be ready as early as next year in the cases of Romine & Mitchell and a guy like say a Roller type they could develop to eventually replace a Konerko.
We get Danks for 1yr trading from our depth and keeping our elite players with Danks motivated to reestablish his value heading into FA.
CC
Nova
Danks
Hughes
AJ
Noesi
Warren
Phelps
Banny
Bettances
we are still stacked with ridiculous depth and upside @ the upper levels and have 5 solid guys in the ML ro that should all give us 190-210+ above league average innings to go to war with next season.
I’d be willing to expand the deal to include Thornton and give up say Laird- who I think is going to be at least a Wigginton type player if not better eventually- to get it done.
Mo
DRob
Soriano
Joba
Thornton
Boone
Kontos
would makeup the best BP in the AL hands down….offseason 90% done…then sign Cespedes and game over.
Pretty much everything about this new CBA is wrong and stupid. Bud Selig is a real stupid guy
I know this is a lot of uncertainty, but I like the idea of CC/AJ/Hughes/Nova/Noesi. Garcia is a good option, but I would not be upset if he slipped away. No to Colon.
I do not understand why the Yanks would give up good, young, Cheap, talent to get Danks or any othe SP of that ilk, when all they gotta do is shell ou $$$ for Darvish.Plus if you trade for Danks, your still gonna have to shell out $$$ to long-term him. Darvish is the best way all around.
I think the Yankees should leave alone all of the middling pitchers. 2012 should be the season when our coddled kids get their shot at the #4 and 5 spots. Let’s hope the infusion of Montero adds what’s been missing in our playoff offense.
“Dan Knobler of CBSSports.com reports (on Twitter) that teams can lose future draft picks if they spend beyond the recommended bonuses.”
this part sucks
The yanks don’t have to shell out long term $ for Danks. They could use him just for to ’12 season and I think that’s exactly what makes him attractive to them. The Yanks I think don’t want to lock them selves into long term contracts in their rotation with Bettances and Banuelos coming for 2013.
“I do not understand why the Yanks would give up good, young, Cheap, talent to get Danks or any othe SP of that ilk, when all they gotta do is shell ou $$$ for Darvish”
sometimes prospect price is less than dollar price for a FA. I hope they bid to win on Darvish…..but he’s far from a sure thing coming over from Japan……
What are you willing to part with to get Danks as a rental? And would it be enough?
The Yankees could add both Darvish and Danks if they wanted.
Anyone sign up for a 2012 rotation of CC, Darvish, Danks, Nova & Hughes? AJ gets traded for a bag of peanuts. Offer Freddy Garcia arbitration and let him sign with another team, so that the Yankees gain a draft pick. Colon comes back as the long man in the bullpen. Noesi, Banuelos and Betances waiting in AAA.
“What are you willing to part with to get Danks as a rental? And would it be enough”
a package with Romine as the centerpiece would be in my comfort zone…..whether that’s enough would probably depend on who else gets involved and at what level.
Offer Freddy Garcia arbitration and let him sign with another team, so that the Yankees gain a draft pick
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What if he accepts? As I remember it, he was very enamored with the idea of being a Yankee. Doubt that’s changed much.
First off, you do NOT trade good, young, cheap, talent for a 1 yr Rental. The Pachinko Kid has had 5 straight seasons of a Sub 2.00 ERA in Japan, which has NEVER been done there previously. He is only 25, and a matinee idol, which means he is accustomed to the media glare. Nomo, Ichiro, and our own Matsui proved that league is no Mickey Mouse operation. Hal oughtta pay-the-piper, and getta young Ace while this opportunity is there. I do not know how this system is gonna work under the new CBA. This may be the Yanks last chance to steal an ACE.
I would offer Garcia arbitration and then if he accepts you either have rotation depth or you could even try to trade him if you wanted……..
MLB Network has the full ALCS Game 7 on from 2003. Pretty cool…
Nobody knows if Darvish is going to be an “ace”…..there are tons of factors that go into that happening. Having a sub 2 era in Japan is great……but the big leagues are the big leagues and it’s a whole different ballgame so to speak.
Again I hope the Yankees bid aggressively on him if their scouts like him enough…..but it’s a big time gamble and it’s not my money to gamble with.
And Soriano leads the game off with a K. Man that dude could really strike out. Pitch him outer half and even with that long bat he would swing through it every time.
Soriano is one of the worst “good” players I have ever seen…..
blake – money is easier to replace than talent, especially for a money-maker like the yankees… i think that’s the gist of the reason they should be pushing for Darvish rather than a trade. Worst case scenario we have another $40mil AAA pitcher like Igawa, which hasn’t stopped the Yankees from doing anything they needed to in the last 4 years anyway.
Teams trade prospects for only two months of players on the last year of deals at the deadline every year.
Better gambling with $$$ than using good, youg, cheap, players. I have yet to read of a single scout from ANY team that does not Highly recommend Darvish. Even Nomo NEVER accomplished what Darvish has already done at 25 yrs old. We know what Danks numbers were in 2011. Those numbers are Not worthy of young talent for a rental, or long-term.
“blake – money is easier to replace than talent”
not when you have a budget and AJ Burnett is hogging 16.5 million dollars of it. I’m not arguing against getting Darvish…..if they want to spend the money I’m all for it.
However, as long as they are sticking to a fairly stict payroll threshold then handing out big contracts is a significant risk….and one that could hurt the quality of the team…..perhaps more than trading certain prospects.
Offer Freddy Garcia arbitration and let him sign with another team, so that the Yankees gain a draft pick
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What if he accepts? As I remember it, he was very enamored with the idea of being a Yankee. Doubt that?s changed much.
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If he accepts, no big deal. How much would he possibly get? He would get more on the open market.
Cash already said he envisioned his rotation being CC-AJ-Nova-Hughes
So that only leaves 1 spot for Garcia/Darvish/Wilson/Danks/Gio, etc. Plus they reached out to Garcia to bring him back.
Worst case scenario we have another $40mil AAA pitcher like Igawa, which hasn’t stopped the Yankees from doing anything they needed to in the last 4 years anyway.
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Darvish is going to make at least twice as much as Igawa. The Yankees are not going to stash a pitcher with an $8-10 million salary at AAA.
I like the idea of going after Darvish but if he busts there is a real problem considering there are only four available rotation spots available over the next 6 years.
“I like the idea of going after Darvish but if he busts there is a real problem considering there are only four available rotation spots available over the next 6 years.”
yes and the Yankees may feel that risk is greater than say trading Austin Romine for a year of a pitcher with a good big league track record.
There is risk attached to everything….trading prospects is a risk……but so is handing out longterm deals to unproven pitchers when you have a budget.
Noesi, Phillips, Banuelos, Betances are good insurance if Yu is a bust. Would be a shame if he was a bust though, because it would be a sizable investment.
I’m lukewarm on Darvish. I’ll be happy whether or not we win the bid.
If Garcia accepted I’d be more concerned with the rotation spot he takes from what could be a better pitcher than the money he makes.
I think the Yankees should post aggresively on Darvish as it is an opportunity to use their finanical advantage….and it could be a very high reward move…….but I can understand if they choose not to
“If Garcia accepted I’d be more concerned with the rotation spot he takes from what could be a better pitcher than the money he makes”
I don’t think Garcia would keep a better pitcher out of the rotation………wouldn’t be making enough money and his last name isn’t Burnett.
Renting a player for only one year is not always a bad thing, especially to a team with resources like the Yankees.
You get to evaluate that player on your team and in your city for a full season before making a substantial commitment to him.
Trading for a player like Gio, for example, with more years of control sounds nice in theory but you have to pay in top prospects to get him without knowing how he will perform outside the friendly confines of Oakland.
Signing a player like Darvish sounds good because it’s “just money” before it is a substantial commitment and a substantial opportunity cost to lock up a rotation spot for the next 4-6 years.
Given Danks only has 1 year of control remaining it limits the initial outlay (the prospect cost) and allows you to evaluate him on your own turf before potentially making a truly substantial commitment.
LGY,
good post
And remember, the new CBA may change how this process works, and if any of the $$$ involved in the bidding is applied to the team salary\tax.
Unfortunately, Burnett’s in the rotation regardless of what happens with Garcia. I’d rather see Noesi with the spot if another player wasn’t acquired.