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Cashman sending signals from Milwaukee

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 18, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Finally out of that Pfister Hotel lobby, it’s easy to look back at the GM Meetings as a time when we learned absolutely nothing about the Yankees, but a few of Brian Cashman’s comments still stand out in my mind.

“I would sacrifice offense if I could improve my pitching.”
This was fairly late in a marathon media session on Tuesday, and the message was obvious: Cashman has a lot of big league hitters, but he’s a big believer that pitching is the “key to the kingdom” and he can never get enough of it. He’d already made the point that anyone who doesn’t have a no-trade clause is a viable trade candidate. How much offense would be willing to give up? Obviously Cashman didn’t go into detail, but he’s obviously considered the idea of sacrificing the lineup to help the pitching staff.

“No one has asked me about Granderson just because he’s a potential MVP candidate, I don’t think they want to bother.”
I have absolutely no indication that the Yankees actively want to trade Curtis Granderson, I just thought it was interesting that Cashman brought this up (especially considering, a few minutes later, he said the thing about sacrificing offense for pitching). Given last year’s production, Granderson’s contract is an absolute bargain, but he does get more expensive next season, and his club option for 2013 is $13 million. That’s not nothing. Given the fact he’s coming off a career year, is there any chance Cashman was trying to send a message of: Ask me about Grandy! Again, no indication whatsoever that Cashman wants to deal his center fielder, but he’s one of the very few GMs in the game who has a second legitimate center fielder already on the roster, and Granderson’s value is clearly sky high.

“I guess, generally, if I had a pot of money and a pot of prospects, I’d rather spend the money than the prospects, if they’re the high-end prospects.”
This was Cashman on the first day of the meetings, and a day later, Hal Steinbrenner seemed to be on board with a similar thought process (“I think every team would prefer to keep its prospects,” Steinbrenner said). It’s not necessarily a new way of thinking for Cashman, but it did seem to underscore his commitment to his truly elite young players, Jesus Montero and Manny Banuelos especially. He later said specifically that Cliff Lee was a “unique circumstance” that would have led him to deal Montero, but nothing like that has presented itself since.

“I have no planned meetings with anybody right now, I can tell you that, but I wouldn’t comment on what the future may bring.”
This was on Wednesday after news broke that the Yankees were discussing/planning/expecting a meeting with C.J. Wilson in New York. Cashman made it clear that no such meeting was scheduled, and he refused to clarify whether it was the Yankees or Wilson’s agent who wanted to speak again. The thing to notice is that Cashman was clearly playing down any notion that he was aggressively going after Wilson. Maybe there will be a meeting, maybe not, but Cashman clearly didn’t want the perception that he’s go hard after the top starter on the market.

I’m not going to do something at these current costs.
This was Cashman talking specifically about the trade market. At one point he asked the gathered beat writers to name his most recent player-for-player trade. He seemed to honestly not know it off the top of his head (it was Sergio Mitre for Chris Dickerson last spring). If the offseason is about perception and expectation — and a lot of it is — Cashman was clearly creating a perception (for other GMs) of being unwilling to budge recent request, and he was creating an expectation (for the fan base) that no player swap is in the works.

Associated Press photo of Hal Steinbrenner leaving the meetings. A Cashman photo would have been better, but that’s the only Yankees AP picture I found from this week’s meetings

 
 

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90 Responses to “Cashman sending signals from Milwaukee”

  1. Yankee Trader November 18th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Repost-

    And “carmine” resents humans who are smarter then he is.
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    MTU-Carmine’s a he??

    Mike Ri-I thought Gonzalez was mainly fastball, curveball, with CU thrown in around rarely. From an April matchup against Weaver and the Angels.

    “Gonzalez sat around 93 all night and didn’t really deviate from his usual pitch distribution, about 65 percent fastballs 30 percent curves and five percent changeups.”

  2. MTU November 18th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    “Cashman sending signals from Milwaukee”

    Yeah, “smoke signals”.

    “Heap big prices out here.”

    “Me come back later.”

    ;)

  3. Yankee Trader November 18th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Pound for pound, Granderson is the best slugging player in the game. No deal.

    If they sacrifice offense it might be Gardner or Swisher and please not Montero.

  4. blake November 18th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Mike,

    Probably more than I would give which is why I keep coming back to Danks.

    Beane would probably ask for Montero for Gio and if he moved off that then it would likely take Betances or Banuelos my guess……id give Betances for him but it would take more than that .

  5. MTU November 18th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    YT-

    You saw “2001″ didn’t you ?

    He’s “HAL’s” Italian cousin.

    He does more than just open the pod bay doors though.

    ;)

  6. spidanyc November 18th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Teams have asked about both Russell Martin and Nick Swisher. Just for fun, what do you guys think the Yankees can get back for each of these guys in terms of prospects? My logic is that if these two have significant value, King Felix comes to mind. The Mariners need offense, not pitching. Martin would be a huge upgrade at catcher for the Mariners both on offense and defense. Swisher would add an offensive punch to their lineup. Would a package of Martin, Swish, Nunez & Noesi get it done for King Felix? Nunez can step in and be their everyday shortstop. Noesi would add to their deep young pirching crop. I personally feel that Romine can step in for Martin and produce for the Yankees. Thoughts?

  7. dogface November 18th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    If they sacrifice offense it might be Gardner or Swisher and please not Montero.

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    Agree, but also acknowledge that Swisher or Gardner don’t bring back difference making pitching in return.

  8. dogface November 18th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Would a package of Martin, Swish, Nunez & Noesi get it done for King Felix?

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    Wouldn’t come close.

  9. Erin November 18th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Would a package of Martin, Swish, Nunez & Noesi get it done for King Felix?

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    I think they’d have to erect of statue of Cashman outside the stadium if he could pull that one off. ;)

  10. Yankee Trader November 18th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Blake-

    After rethinking the benefits of either Floyd or Danks and their ages plus prior years stats, I’m with you and believe Danks is the better option, especially since he’s a FA after next year and Floyd has a club option for 2013.

    The question is -what positions does Kenny Williams want filled?
    De Aza takes over for Juan Pierre. Stuck with Rios in CF. 2B is Beckham who had a poor year. 1b and SS and C are set. Morel improved at 3rd.

    If he wants major league ready players-are we willing to trade inexpensive players like Noesi, Nunez. AAA near ready players like Romine, Phelps? If they trade Quentin, would they ask for Gardner to play CF and shift Rios to right?

  11. Mike Ri November 18th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    thanks blake !

  12. RadioKev November 18th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Blake,

    Yet again I’m with you. I’d trade Betances for Gio and not look back. Betances + phelps/warren/Mitchell and a mid level position player and be done with it.

  13. Yankee Trader November 18th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    MTU

    Dave Bowman: Hello, HAL. Do you read me, HAL?
    HAL: Affirmative, Dave. I read you.
    Dave Bowman: Open the pod bay doors, HAL.
    HAL: I’m sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that.
    Dave Bowman: What’s the problem?
    HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
    Dave Bowman: What are you talking about, HAL?
    HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
    Dave Bowman: I don’t know what you’re talking about, HAL.
    HAL: I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I’m afraid that’s something I cannot allow to happen.
    Dave Bowman: [feining ingorance] Where the hell did you get that idea, HAL?
    HAL: Dave, although you took very thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.
    Dave Bowman: Alright, HAL. I’ll go in through the emergency airlock.
    HAL: Without your space helmet, Dave? You’re going to find that rather difficult.
    Dave Bowman: HAL, I won’t argue with you anymore! Open the doors!
    HAL: Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.

    Now for my favorite line:

    on Dave’s return to the ship, after HAL has killed the rest of the crew]
    HAL: Look Dave, I can see you’re really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.
    :)

  14. MTU November 18th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    YT-

    Right but “Carmine” says everything in Italian and only talks baseball stats.

    That’s the difference.

    Personally I though HAL was way more interesting.

    :)

  15. Stottlemyre68 November 18th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    I don’t think Martin’s going anywhere this year. He did a terrific job as receiver working with the pitching staff. Without him, your catching position looks like Cervelli (decent receiver but huge injury risk), Montero (rookie who has not proved he can catch at the big league level), and Romine (limited experience above AA). You might be able to find the right tandem, but it makes alot more sense to keep Martin and see who develops and along what lines. Otherwise, you run the risk of having chaos with your pitchers — more so if you’re relying on some rookies to step up.

    Separately, I don’t see Seattle buying Martin, Swisher, et al. for Felix. They will hold out for blue chip personnel, even if from the lower levels. Start with Sanchez and Bichette and then add Banuelos/Betances — and I wouldn’t like that deal from the Yanks’ perspective.

    I’d also caution against reading too much into anything Cash is saying now other than that he’s stating the obvious. What Cash has shown over the years is that he is a master poker player. Unlike George, who would telegraph what he wanted and allow other teams to get him to bid against himself, Cash gives little or no indication of what he’s going to do until he does it. What he’s done so far is to get the CC situation resolved, which (a) permits him to focus on what he WANTS to focus on instead of what he NEEDS to focus on and (b) puts him in a superior bargaining position on trades/free agents because nobody can get him to overpay out of desperation.

    So let’s enjoy the hot stove league, see what happens, and hope for something that makes the Yanks a stronger club.

  16. Yankee Trader November 18th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Until later. Have a great day.

  17. MTU November 18th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    It appears many of us favor getting Danks.

    Now it’s just a question of time until Cashman comes around to our POV.

    :)

  18. Villa Nova-Ya November 18th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Two things off the top of my head -

    First trading Gardner would be sacrificing defense, not so much offense.

    Second, if the Mariners trade Felix, then wouldn’t their pitching staff be considerably weaker? I’m asking, because I don’t really know. I mean, they’d have to have a replacement for him, wouldn’t they? ML ready, that is. And Felix doesn’t seem to want to leave Seattle, which if you remember an old TV show, has the “bluest skies you’ve ever seen” and “the hills the greenest green.” ;)

    Basically, I guess it’s just too early to know what the Yankees are going to end up doing.

    I doubt they trade Grandy, especially with ARod’s future production in the hazy zone – don’t know what to expect anymore, if we’re honest. We hope he’s going to get back to 30/100, but it’s no longer a known quantity.

  19. spidanyc November 18th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Erin November 18th, 2011 at 9:12 am
    Would a package of Martin, Swish, Nunez & Noesi get it done for King Felix?

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    I think they?d have to erect of statue of Cashman outside the stadium if he could pull that one off.

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    Trading Martin alone would fetch back a teams #1 prospect. So the equivilant of 2 Jesus Montero’s, Noesi and Eduardo Nunez for King Felix. Throw in Bradon Laird/Corban Joseph and Phelps.

  20. Villa Nova-Ya November 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Stottlemyre68 -

    I agree re: Cash and his poker-player approach.

    I actually like it.

  21. dogface November 18th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Trading Martin alone would fetch back a teams #1 prospect.

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    No, it wouldn’t. Wouldn’t come close.

  22. Baseball Mogul November 18th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Cashman is not trading Martin after the comparison to Munson and hinting that he’s thought about a multi-year deal with him.

  23. MTU November 18th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    When Cashman spoke of possibly sacrificing O for pitching I kinda doubt he was talking about guys like Granderson.

    It was a general statement.

    I suspect the level of O that he would willing to sacrifice would not go that high on the food chain.

    My 2 cents FWIW.

  24. dogface November 18th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    MTU:

    Agree that Cashman was speaking in generalities there. However, when you factor in age, contractual situations, and my belief that they will never move Cano, the only two bats left that will bring you a true difference making pitcher are Granderson and Montero.

  25. GreenBeret7 November 18th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Erin November 18th, 2011 at 9:12 am
    Would a package of Martin, Swish, Nunez & Noesi get it done for King Felix?

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    I think they’d have to erect of statue of Cashman outside the stadium if he could pull that one off.

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    They might get Felix King, Felix Unger, and Felix Milan.

  26. Erin November 18th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    GB- :D

    They could throw in Felix the cat too. He could be the new mascot.

  27. Erin November 18th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    DKnobler As others have said, MLB plans to announce new CBA on Monday. Really amazing how smoothly this went. Good work by all involved

  28. blake November 18th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Felix is available……but if he were you can bet that Seattle would take no less than Montero, Banuelos, Betances, and probably two more prospects for him. It ain’t happening right now……

  29. blake November 18th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    *isn’t*

  30. dogface November 18th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    DKnobler As others have said, MLB plans to announce new CBA on Monday. Really amazing how smoothly this went. Good work by all involved

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    Can’t help but think that Fehr retiring and being replaced by a non a**hole went a long way towards this negotation going as smoothly as it did.

  31. GreenBeret7 November 18th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Erin November 18th, 2011 at 10:21 am
    GB-

    They could throw in Felix the cat too. He could be the new mascot.

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    and on days they weren’t playing, they could help Felix Lopez (Steinbrenner in-law) to help with the landscaping chores on the Steinbrenner estate.

  32. Felix Unger November 18th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Hey watch those ‘Unger’ jokes or I will stop cleaning the apartment.

  33. GreenBeret7 November 18th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    dogface November 18th, 2011 at 10:28 am
    DKnobler As others have said, MLB plans to announce new CBA on Monday. Really amazing how smoothly this went. Good work by all involved

    =====================

    Can’t help but think that Fehr retiring and being replaced by a non a**hole went a long way towards this negotation going as smoothly as it did.

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    What makes you think that the labor issues weren’t because of the a**holes from MLB and the commissioner’s office? Neither side had clean hands. Does the Collusion-Gate of 1987-88 ring a bell?

  34. Oscar Madison November 18th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Hey ‘Feel’… don’t forget to dust and vacuum my tv – video room !

  35. blake November 18th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Gardner and Swisher are the only members of the offense I coukd see moving…..and that’s only if the return makes sense and an outfield replacement option is also in the works.

  36. DONNYBROOK November 18th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    First off, you guys are ALL speculating on Gio, Danks, Floyd, Felix, Hamels, etc and it’s fun, but you guys aint listening to Hal and Cash. Cashman and Hal are bragging about having the best record in the AL in 2011, and how they pretty much have everyone back from that team, how Montero is only gonna get better, prices for existing players available is to HIGH, etc\etc\etc. Point is, they aint movin’ nobody. Stop wasting your time on fantasy trades that aint gonna happen and just listen to the Yankee hierarchy. Cashman’s comments concerning needing to Further convince Hal about Darvish, is an attempt to get Hal to post a Monster Bid. I’m pretty sure Hal and Cashman have discussed the bid number\$$$ on Darvish, and Cashman feels a Larger Bid is gonna be necessary. This approach by Cashman is very much like the way he went about getting Hal to loosen the purse strings and get TEX. You notice Cashman also mentioned the Soriano Situation last offseason in order to fortify his opinion in general and his position on this issue.

  37. Erin November 18th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    GreenBeret7 November 18th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    and on days they weren?t playing, they could help Felix Lopez (Steinbrenner in-law) to help with the landscaping chores on the Steinbrenner estate.

    ***************

    Perfect! We’ve got it all figured out :)

  38. blake November 18th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    SI_JonHeyman 1 hour There will be no hard slot (caps) for baseball draft choices but wll be “recommended’ slots w/ tax implications for teams way over

  39. dogface November 18th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    What makes you think that the labor issues weren’t because of the a**holes from MLB and the commissioner’s office? Neither side had clean hands. Does the Collusion-Gate of 1987-88 ring a bell?

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    In 1987-88, the owners were indeed the a-holes. They paid dearly for that and deservedly so. Since then, however, I see Fehr as having been the bigger problem. As you say, both sides have been dirty in this at one point or another. As I understand it, the new guy (his name fails me) is a Fehr disciple, so for the most part their MLBPA philosophy probably hasn’t changed much. But this guy isn’t the megalomaniac the Fehr was. Not having that element probably makes things go a little more smoothly, IMO.

  40. 4 NYY November 18th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Get Darvish

  41. DONNYBROOK November 18th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    If I was a utility infielder like Carroll or Ellis getting guaranteed multi-year deals for roughly $4Mill per, I would be thanking Fehr. He did a good job for the Players Union, which is exactly what they paid him to do. Fehr should be lauded not trashed.

  42. GreenBeret7 November 18th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    The owners never bargained in good faith. They had their warchests to deal with strikes years in advance and spent 40 years trying to break the union and failed. Egos in ownership and MLB offices were monumental. Nobody worse than Bowie Kuhn. When Fay Vincent tried to reign in the owners, he was fired.

  43. Mike Ri November 18th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Per Mlbtraderumors .. and J Sherman —

    The Yankees have ?looked into? Matt Garza, but a Cubs official downplayed the likelihood of any deal involving the right-hander, according to Sherman. The Yankees particularly like Gio Gonzalez and the Athletics are open to anything, but GM Billy Beane is asking for an ace return for Gonzalez or Trevor Cahill.

    The Yankees like John Danks and the White Sox like many Yankees prospects, particularly Austin Romine. However, Danks is a free agent after 2012 and the Yankees are reluctant to over-spend on a pitcher they?ll have for just one year.

  44. DONNYBROOK November 18th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Don’t forget the HUGE collusion judgement the owners suffered during Peter U’s reign.

  45. DONNYBROOK November 18th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Fay Vincent and Bart Giamatti were both very good\fair Commissioners. One died, the other was crucified.

  46. GreenBeret7 November 18th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    This should be must see TV if you love R&R.

    PBS PBS
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    Tonight! Rock out w/ the women who made their mark on America’s soundtrack: WOMEN WHO ROCK @ 9/8c http://go.pbs.org/7woVB #PBSArts

  47. Erin November 18th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    GB-that looks awesome. PBS has had a lot of good stuff on lately. I’m looking forward to the Woody Allen documentary this weekend.

  48. blake November 18th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    I don’t think Romine is overspending for Danks…..that’s a fair swap IMO. If you really want to improve your pitching and you don’t want to get into a long term contract with a FA then at some point you’re going to have to give a little. Romine is a good prospect….but you’d be keeping the very top guys you have and catching is an area of strength and depth for the Yanks.

    Does Beane want a potential ace prospect? Betances is that….

  49. tomingeorgia November 18th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    dogface,
    The union head is named Mike Weiner, and he’s very sharp in a non-confrontational way, not at all “in your face” as was Fehr. Met the guy a few times, and he comes across as a good guy.

  50. Irreverent Discourse November 18th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    blake – it says “ace return” as in… he wants a king felix haul for his crap pitchers.

  51. Erin November 18th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    FakePeteGammons Not really sure how to spin Bobby Valentine as good thing & I once spun Manny Delcarmen as best RP in baseball. Gulp. This is Peter Gammons.

  52. blake November 18th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    ID,

    who knows….that’s an ambigious statement….”an ace in return”. I like Gio better than some but Beane would have to be fair if he wants to move himl.

  53. GreenBeret7 November 18th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Erin November 18th, 2011 at 11:23 am
    GB-that looks awesome. PBS has had a lot of good stuff on lately. I’m looking forward to the Woody Allen documentary this weekend.

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    It should make for a great night of listening and viewing. I noticed that Cyndi Lauper has gotten a little wide over the years. I’m hoping they have some of the female rockers of the late 50s and early 60s that helped to pave the way for those today. I watched some video clips of Cathy Young and The Innocents (A Thousand Stars) from last year and she sounds as good now as she did in 1959 and for 67 years old looks sensational.

  54. charlestonchew November 18th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    I think I would cry if the Yankees traded Curtis Granderson. He is fast becoming my favorite Yankee, competing with Robbie. Gotta love Brett Gardner, too for playing amazing defense and dominating on the basepaths while putting up respectable and serviceable offensive numbers despite his doubters.

    Jetes is just too old for me now. I still love the guy and will always proclaim #2 as the heart of the Yankees, but age is showing.

  55. Erin November 18th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    FakePeteGammons #Cubs fans would take me as team shill, right? If I get his glasses & a can of V05 I sort of look like Harry Caray. This is Peter Gammons.

  56. jacksquat November 18th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Dale Sveum named Cubs manager.

  57. blake November 18th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    The return would have to be huge to trade Grandy…..but the reality is that his value will probably never be higher, he is over 30, and he’s only got 2 years left on his deal. I’d listen on him but as I said, the return would have to be substantial.

  58. blake November 18th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    just for kicks…..lets say the Braves offered Teheran, Minor, and Heyward for Granderson (to play LF). Who says yes…..who says no?

  59. Erin November 18th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    GreenBeret7 November 18th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    It should make for a great night of listening and viewing. I noticed that Cyndi Lauper has gotten a little wide over the years.

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    Speaking of getting wider, I saw a picture of Sinead O’Connor the other day and almost didn’t recognize her. Yikes.

  60. Erin November 18th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    charlestonchew November 18th, 2011 at 11:34 am
    I think I would cry if the Yankees traded Curtis Granderson.

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    actually, I would probably shed a few tears as well. Gotta love the Grandyman. ;)

  61. dogface November 18th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    The return would have to be huge to trade Grandy

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    Would you trade Granderson for Hamels if you knew you could lock up Hamels to a 5 year deal?

  62. Baseball Mogul November 18th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    I take that Atlanta haul for Granderson.

  63. blake November 18th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    “Would you trade Granderson for Hamels if you knew you could lock up Hamels to a 5 year deal?”

    that’s tough…..but I don’t think I would because if the Phillies trade him then he’s told them he’s going to test the market. I’d prefer to keep Grandy and take my chances on getting Hamels to sign as a FA.

  64. GreenBeret7 November 18th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Erin November 18th, 2011 at 11:39 am
    GreenBeret7 November 18th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    It should make for a great night of listening and viewing. I noticed that Cyndi Lauper has gotten a little wide over the years.

    ******************

    Speaking of getting wider, I saw a picture of Sinead O’Connor the other day and almost didn’t recognize her. Yikes.

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    Havent seen that photo, but, if she has grown some hair on her head, it can only help.

    Watching the Yankee replay of the 2nd game of the September 21st DH against Tampa, just showed Posada’s game winner in the 8th inning. The park went wild, but, the bench really went crazy. Amazing finish for him for his final year with NY.

  65. blake November 18th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    “I take that Atlanta haul for Granderson”

    I love Grandy….but that’s a lot of years of cheap talent. Don’t think the Braves would do it….just throwing it out there to make conversation.

  66. dogface November 18th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    just for kicks…..lets say the Braves offered Teheran, Minor, and Heyward for Granderson (to play LF). Who says yes…..who says no?

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    I’d guess the Braves would in no small part because of the finances. They could keep those guys for 4-6 years at less money combined than Granderson would probably make over the same period.

  67. Erin November 18th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    GreenBeret7 November 18th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Havent seen that photo, but, if she has grown some hair on her head, it can only help.

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    She hasn’t. At first glance I thought it was Boy George.

    LOVED that Posada moment. It was great seeing the bench get so excited for him.

  68. DONNYBROOK November 18th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    We all saw both Montero and Romine behind the plate at the MLB level at the end of last season. I take Romine by a wide margin, and Romine is still learning the craft. A lotta balls on the ground with Montero back there, and he does not move well to the side. Montero needs another position, maybe RF. I do not know what Montero’s arm is like as far as long throws go, but I would look to make him the RF’er and let Swish walk at seasons end. It would be very difficult to deal a club house presence like Swish come July 31, as your messin’ with team chemistry heading into the Playoffs. Anyway, I would not deal Romine until one of the other minor league catchers are MLB ready. I also believe Cashman let his enthusiasm get away from him when he compared Martin to Munson. That comparison is impossible to live up to, and your avg. Yankee fan is now gonna expect the impossible. Munson was 1 of a kind. I know as our 1st born carries his first name in honor of his this great Yankee.

  69. GreenBeret7 November 18th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Erin, hard to believe the numbers Posada put up in his career when you realize that he was 28 years old before he got the chance to be a full time player. Until that time, he never had 400 official at bats in a season.

  70. dogface November 18th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    just for kicks…..lets say the Braves offered Teheran, Minor, and Heyward for Granderson (to play LF). Who says yes…..who says no?

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    To put some homegrown spin on this, it would be akin to the Yankees trading Montero, Banuelos and maybe Warren for Kemp. Would you want the Yankees to do that?

  71. jacksquat November 18th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Montero probably has the arm for RF, but not the wheels. He looks pretty slow. The only other position I could possibly see other than DH or 1B is 3B, but I have no idea if he has the glove for 3B.

  72. Patrick November 18th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Granderson for Hamels? Don’t make me laugh…

  73. Baseball Mogul November 18th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Precisely why you do it. I don’t want to trade him either & I doubt Atlanta would do it. Like I said it’s a haul. You could take Teheran out and I’d still at least consider it.

  74. Irreverent Discourse November 18th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    blake – I don’t believe that the Braves would trade any single one of those players for Granderson, let alone all 3.

  75. blake November 18th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    “Would you want the Yankees to do that?”

    No I wouldn’t…..and I don’t think the Braves would do it either….but that’s the type of return I think you’d have to get to move Granderson now.

    “Montero needs another position, maybe RF. ”

    Montero can’t play RF. He’ll be the 1B in about 5 years….

  76. DONNYBROOK November 18th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    If I could trade Granderson for 5 yrs of Hamels, I would do that IMMEDIATELY.

  77. 108 stitches November 18th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Getting Danks depends on what the Yankee talent evaluators think he brings and the recommendations they make. It’s up to Cashman to get a window to sign him beyond 2012.
    If Kenny Williams wants more than Romine, offer no more than 2B David Adams or the deal is off.
    Williams can deal his backup catcher Tyler Flowers elsewhere.
    Cashman may be wise to see where C.J. Wilson lands which means the Rangers will go after Danks.
    If Wilson re-sign with Texas there’s no need to go after Danks.

  78. blake November 18th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    “blake – I don’t believe that the Braves would trade any single one of those players for Granderson, let alone all 3.”

    you don’t think the Braves would trade Mike Minor for Granderson?

  79. blake November 18th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    “Cashman may be wise to see where C.J. Wilson lands which means the Rangers will go after Danks.
    If Wilson re-sign with Texas there’s no need to go after Danks.”

    or they could trade for Danks first and then let CJ walk……..

  80. Patrick November 18th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Blake,

    Montero could play RF, the same way Ibanez, Berkman, Lee “play” the outfield. It can be done but it won’t be pretty

  81. blake November 18th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    I think Montero is slower than all of those guys.

  82. Irreverent Discourse November 18th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    blake – Would you trade Betances or Banuelos for Granderson? basically the same thing…

  83. Erin November 18th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    New Post: Cashman prefers to use young pitching for depth and development

    :arrow:

  84. blake November 18th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    I mean you could sign Prince Fielder and put him in RF as well technically…..doesn’t make it a good idea.

  85. blake November 18th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    “blake – Would you trade Betances or Banuelos for Granderson? basically the same thing…”

    I might….definitly would Betances.

  86. Patrick November 18th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    I think Montero is slower than all of those guys.

    Degrees of awul.. not worth arguing over :)

  87. GreenBeret7 November 18th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    This is the Yankees present 40 man roster which has 34 players on it. If it was my decision, Colin Curtis, George Kontos, Kevin Whelen, either Golson or Dickerson and Ramiro Pena would be removed and try including whelen or Kontos in a deal. Zoilo Almonte will get on spot. Use those new open spots to protect a few of the better Rule 5 eligible players and try moving them in a larger deal. Either Adams or Joseph will go somewhere else.

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p?c_id=nyy

  88. DONNYBROOK November 18th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Adding players based on what other teams do is not a good strategy. Your counter-punching which is Defensive and Late. A winning team has a strategy of their own both short and long term.

  89. Patrick November 18th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    GB7,

    I think Adams should be protected, he’s been injured a lot the last two years but he has a potentially really good bat for a 2B.

  90. champ809 November 18th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    The Yanks I think end up with Danks for a package of Romine+DJ Mitchell+ Kyle Roller type corner bat AA player.

    That would be a very fair package for both teams….The White Sox get some upside players who may be ready as early as next year in the cases of Romine & Mitchell and a guy like say a Roller type they could develop to eventually replace a Konerko.

    We get Danks for 1yr trading from our depth and keeping our elite players with Danks motivated to reestablish his value heading into FA.

    CC
    Nova
    Danks
    Hughes
    AJ
    Noesi
    Warren
    Phelps
    Banny
    Bettances

    we are still stacked with ridiculous depth and upside @ the upper levels and have 5 solid guys in the ML ro that should all give us 190-210+ above league average innings to go to war with next season.

    I’d be willing to expand the deal to include Thornton and give up say Laird- who I think is going to be at least a Wigginton type player if not better eventually- to get it done.

    Mo
    DRob
    Soriano
    Joba
    Thornton
    Boone
    Kontos

    would makeup the best BP in the AL hands down….offseason 90% done…then sign Cespedes and game over.

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