Cashman: Free agent market “moving at a glacial speed”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 19, 2011 
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The Winter Meetings are in two weeks. If you’re looking for a benchmark, some sort of target date for when the hot stove might actually heat up, the Winter Meetings are as good as anything. The GM Meetings certainly didn’t bring much action.
“The free agent (market) is moving at a glacial speed,” Brian Cashman told the New York Post. “And the category I’m shopping in, I don’t believe guys are jumping off the board this week. The players I’m interested in won’t be coming off the board anytime soon. But trade stuff is different. That can move fast, if someone finds the right match.”
Cashman made it clear in Milwaukee that, right now, the trade market is too expensive for his taste. He’s willing to make a move, but the asking prices are too much. He’s rejected offers, and he’s had offers rejected.
The free agent market might find some traction with next week’s collective bargaining agreement announcement, for now though, it’s “glacial” and we’re all left waiting something to heat up.
Sounds like Cash wants to trade.
Everyone is going to start with high prices and see if they can get it.
Almost everyone, that is. At least the CC deal got done without too much drama.
Radiokev,
100% agree with your 9:06 post.
Sorry, did not see the new post Re-post:
Gary -
I was speaking to the FA market in general, not necessarily with respect to the Yankees. In my mind, there is not much out there FA-wise that really fits the Yankees, whether it be Wilson who will garner too long a term contract at too much salary for his skill set (plus he’s going to have a lot of suitors), or Pujols/Fielder, who play a position that is taken (1B/DH).
As far as putting a team together, you absolutely (in my mind) have to plan for the 162-game season. The Yankees lost the ALDS on one key hit here or there, and every single person in that lineup came up at one time or another in the lost games with an opportunity to get the big hit (and that includes Jeter and Cano). In addition, while I don’t say with any absolutely certainty that it would have made a difference, had a pinch-hitter been utilized in a couple of those spots, and the pinch hitter got a hit, we also would not be having this conversation. Also, if the wind is not blowing in and Jeter’s hit goes out, we are not having this conversation. This ALDS was not a total failure of offense, not even by the guys that are consistently picked out as being the culprits.
In the games they won, the offense was dominant. In the games they lost, they came close against pitchers who were very good, and a Tigers bullpen that was also very good, for the most part.
Also, there are no guarantees about how any player is going to perform in a short series. You know, except for the mega-game Pujols had, he was not dominant.
I think Cash would maybe play on Wilson at 4/60 or perhaps even 5/75 if his price falls to those levels. Otherwise I see a trade coming…..
I have no insight into the abilities of Darvish, Cespedes or the younger Cuban players. However, if the Yankees perceive them to be high level players, I think spend the money it takes to get them. After this year, their ability to sign international players will be severely restricted. It appears the better the teams’ record the less they can spend internationally.
This opportunity, if they are truly good, will not come again.
Mac,
Something to.consider
I feel like I haven’t been more optimistic about the health of the Yankees organization ever. The future seems quite promising.
Trades would go a lot smoother if there weren’t GMs out there that spend more energy looking to screw the other team and then trying to make deals that make sense for both teams. They have players with contracts they can’t afford and expect top talent back to bail them out.
Austinmac, Yes, totally agree. Said as much last night too
I mean, will the Yankees ever see this type of highly developed talent soon? It’s not like we’re getting the #1 pick in the draft in the foreseeable future. The way things are going, the Yankees have to draft high upside high schoolers that we believe in, and that takes years and years of development.
With the international market possibly being restructured, I’d say this could be the last chance.
If I had to guess, I’d guess the Yankees would try for Darvish, not so much for Cespedes. Total guess.
Indians “In Serious Discussions” With Grady Sizemore
By Mark Polishuk [November 19 at 8:50am CST]
SATURDAY: Paul Hoynes of The Cleveland Plain Dealer says the one-year deal would include a low base salary and incentives that could push the total value to $9MM, the same amount as the option the Indians declined after the season. Hoynes also mentions that the two sides discussed a deal like this before the option decision was made.
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Pfft. Good ol’ Indians. This is the reason why I didn’t want to touch him with a ten foot pole. He’s an extremely expensive reclamation project.
Kev,
I never mind stealing your ideas.:)
The last game of the Japanese series is either today or tomorrow so we should know about Darvish shortly. At least the team will know that before the winter meetings. As I recall the bidding goes quickly.
I hate the closed bidding process.
If you 100% want the guy, you have to blow everyone out of the water, which means probably spending a lot more money than the player is worth, just to talk to him. I guess the only thing that helps, is if you can’t reach agreement on a contract, you get the bid money back and the player is off the market. Is that correct?
Good morning.
Villa-The posting fee, if I’m correct, is not paid until the player has signed on the dotted line, and the contract is a done deal, allowing the player to participate in team activities.
Cleveland has the most insight into his medical records and condition. They can pay a high price on Sizemore with more confidence. We don’t know what they know. We can describe him as a high priced reclamation project but we don’t know what the Indians know. So we’d just be guessing.
Cleveland can also guarantee him a starting job.
Thanks, Yankee Trader.
I thought that was the case.
Still, big outlay if you really, really want the guy. I think of the Red Sox with Dice-K, and no one was really close to their bid.
‘Trisha’
“I have to tell you that when I heard that Joe Paterno had been diagnosed with treatable lung cancer I have to admit that I immediately wondered if it was nothing more than a publicity ploy and a way to get him back into peoples’ good graces (meaning that he’s not really sick at all and it’s all cooked up.)”
Trisha, you are an idiot.
As a long, long time reader (since Pete McRib was running the show here), I have long since stopped reading your fooolish and often immature comments on baseball (and sports as a whole).
But this takes the cake.
This might have been posted already from MLBTR’s. I’ve attached the entire article that reasons why John Danks might well be headed out of Chicago because his brother, Jordan was not added to the 40 man roster.
“I have long theorized that John Danks’ future is tied to his brother’s, at least partially. From the outside, it seems both sides have trod carefully with their futures. Danks chose to go year-to-year through arbitration instead of signing a multi-year deal, and the Sox held Jordan Danks in a different regard than comparable prospects with the same problem.”
http://www.southsidesox.com/20.....man-roster
” Trisha, you are an idiot. ”
Amen .
The more important factor about the White Sox 40 man additions is that they still have multiple slots available. Speaks to how thin their farm is- they don’t feel they have upper level players worth protecting from Rule 5 draft. Maybe they could use some of ours
shamus77 November 19th, 2011 at 10:43 am
~ So which do you like best ? ?
~ The mindless babble about nothing ?
~ Agreeing with others constantly by changing a few words here and there in each post ?
~ The endless positivity despite what the reality of the team really is ?
~ How about being the judge, juror and executioner regarding the Penn State fiasco ?
~ The continual railing against others when people disagree with the dribble ?
~ All of the above is also an option.
I live in central NY. The allegations against Fine are completely baseless and without any sort of corroboration save for the guys cousin who is clearly in cahoots with him. Every single player, coach and administrator who was with Fine at that time says they never saw even a hint of indecency. Tim Welsh, who roomed with Fine on many road trips, says that the only time the accuser was brought with Fine was when his wife was there and the accuser babysat Fine’s kids. The statute of limitations in NY is long gone on this case. I believe the police are investigating now because just todo their due diligence. Boeheim has gone on record saying he believes it is a flat out lie and a money grab attempt after the Penn State debacle. The entire case was investigated by SU in 2005 and closed for lack of ANY corroborating evidence. Vastly different from the PSU situation.
Trisha, you are a valued poster here and have the right to give your opinion. But assuming an illness is concocted is hard thing for anyone to read, particularly for anyone whose family has been affected by Cancer (and whose hasn’t?).
It’s about time that sanctimonious sacred cow was called out. She’s without a doubt the biggest idiot and hypocrite here. When she had tragedy strike her family the world couldnt be too empathetic. Now when a husband, father and grandfather in his 80,s is stricken with cancer, this judgmental, pathetic excuse for a human being accuses him of faking it. Disgusting.
DSJ November 19th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Truth be told. Well said.
I also live in central NY and take exception with the idea that the basketball program ‘defines the institution’. Because we’re sports fans and the basketball program gets national publicity for its success doesn’t mean it defines the university. In fact, the lacrosse program is a national powerhouse and the football program has a long tradition. Not to mention the storied journalism school and nationally respected school of information studies.
Anyone else catch the end of College Gameday?
Corso definitely said “F_ck it” at the end right before he put the couger head on.
Surprised ESPN didn’t catch it on the delay or anything.
DSJ November 19th, 2011 at 11:47 am
It’s about time that sanctimonious sacred cow was called out. She’s without a doubt the biggest idiot and hypocrite here. When she had tragedy strike her family the world couldnt be too empathetic. Now when a husband, father and grandfather in his 80,s is stricken with cancer, this judgmental, pathetic excuse for a human being accuses him of faking it. Disgusting.
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It’s funny how you would object to her being judgmental. Because you, yourself, would never be judgmental.
Your Worst Nightmare November 19th, 2011 at 11:53 am
DSJ November 19th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Truth be told. Well said.
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It’s not surprising that you would consider name-calling to be a positive contribution to this site.
TheStraw November 19th, 2011 at 11:35 am
I live in central NY. The allegations against Fine are completely baseless and without any sort of corroboration save for the guys cousin who is clearly in cahoots with him. Every single player, coach and administrator who was with Fine at that time says they never saw even a hint of indecency. Tim Welsh, who roomed with Fine on many road trips, says that the only time the accuser was brought with Fine was when his wife was there and the accuser babysat Fine’s kids. The statute of limitations in NY is long gone on this case. I believe the police are investigating now because just todo their due diligence. Boeheim has gone on record saying he believes it is a flat out lie and a money grab attempt after the Penn State debacle. The entire case was investigated by SU in 2005 and closed for lack of ANY corroborating evidence. Vastly different from the PSU situation.
Trisha, you are a valued poster here and have the right to give your opinion. But assuming an illness is concocted is hard thing for anyone to read, particularly for anyone whose family has been affected by Cancer (and whose hasn’t?).
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One of the disturbing things about these kinds of startling revelations like the scandal at PSU is that it brings out a series of similar charges which lack evidence. Every enemy that Paterno has is now crawling out of the woodwork, as well as these possible get-rich-quick accusations against Fine. I don’t mind seeing the truth come out, but the spurious charges are such a distraction…
Trisha,
With all due respect, I tend to agree that your charge that Paterno might be faking his illness is inappropriate.
Japan Series goes to game 7 tomorrow. Every game so far has been won by the road team.
jacksquat November 19th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Japan Series goes to game 7 tomorrow. Every game so far has been won by the road team.
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Are any of the games televised in the States? It would be neat to tune in to the ballgame. I’ve never seen a Japanese ballgame.
They like me! They really like me!!!
Hey I was just being honest about my thoughts. If you read the post again I didn’t charge that Paterno was faking his illness. I said I wondered whether it was nothing more than a publicity ploy. And I did. And I still do. And my mother died from cancer. And I also told you why I wondered it.
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“Trisha, you are an idiot. ”
Hmmm.
“As a long, long time reader (since Pete McRib was running the show here), I have long since stopped reading your fooolish and often immature comments on baseball (and sports as a whole).
But this takes the cake.”
But, but, if you long since stopped reading my “fooolish” (I guess that means you think they’re REALLY foolish!) comments, how did you know what I said about Paterno? Did someone read it to you?
DSJ, people have faked cancer before. It doesn’t matter if the person is a father or a grandfather. And oh yeah, I didn’t accuse him of faking it. I said the thought crossed my mind. That’s a far cry from saying that I know he’s faking it.
Sanctimonoius sacred cow.
As a long, long time reader (since Pete McRib was running the show here), I have long since stopped reading your fooolish and often immature comments on baseball (and sports as a whole).”
“I have long since stopped reading”
What did you “mind meld” her post. If you are a long time reader you should know that while often taking the unpopular stance (especially on baseball), she has an impressive record of being right more often than not.
“your foolish immature comments” –
Pete Mcrib—- hmm is that foolish or immature cant decide.
“But this takes the cake.”
She “immediately WONDERED” if a person (never mind who)that allowed a child molester to go unchecked, would stoop to faking an illness.
While I personally doubt that this is the case here, it is not such a giant leap.
Oh wait it’s Joe Paterno we are talking about, I get it.
Trish
I am a slow typist.
Oh so Paterno allowed a child molester to go unchecked? Really? And you know this to be a fact do you? Read the court testimony?
Idiots.
“The entire case was investigated by SU in 2005 and closed for lack of ANY corroborating evidence. Vastly different from the PSU situation.”
Straw, this certainly will be a potential field day for people out looking to make money. Syracuse did the right thing, though, by putting him on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation. They would have opened themselves up to a world of criticism if they did anything else.
DSJ November 19th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Oh so Paterno allowed a child molester to go unchecked? Really? And you know this to be a fact do you? Read the court testimony?
Idiots.
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Do have anything else to say, besides calling people idiots?
Mcribs are really good……they sound gross but they are actually awesome……
Yes I read the grand jury report and I am far from being in the minority in feeling that Paterno could have and should have done a lot more than he did. I continue to ask what he would have done if McQueary told him that it was Paterno’s son or grandson being sexually molested by Sandusky. Told a few authorities and went back to football, greeting Sandusky fondly when he showed up on campus the next year with young boys? Sorry but I’m not buying.
blake, I definitely agree with you. They are very tasty!
Tar, you may be a slow typist but you are unequivocally my favorite slow typist.
THANK you – as always.
The peanut gallery hard at work.
blake November 19th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Mcribs are really good……they sound gross but they are actually awesome……
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The best ribs that I’ve ever had were at a place called Joe’s BBQ, down in Alvin, Texas, home of Nolan Ryan. their short ribs are absolutely amazing!
Your Worst Nightmare November 19th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
The peanut gallery hard at work.
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How many times do you have to be banned before you get the message?
“Mcribs are really good……they sound gross but they are actually awesome……”
Blake I’m disappointed, A Carolina “Bar-B -Q” eating person like yourself eating McRibs, oh the shame.
It must have been cold Thursday night. Another foot on that on-side kick. 1 lousy foot!
Ghostwriter – good catch! Didn’t realize who I was dealing with.
Peanut gallery? So anyone who objects to posters being personally insulted, name calling, and the like turns into the peanut gallery?
I would think you’d be rooting for civil and courteous behavior.
Maybe if you knew anything about the law you would consider that McQueary has not been under oath being cross examined by a defense attorney. And also, he stated he went to the campus police who said yesterday thats not true. You don’t know a thing.
Tar,
Well I mean fir Mcdonalds its pretty good……it doesn’t compare to real bbq
My thoughts on Joe Paterno –
Up front, let me say this, I’m a huge fan of Joe Paterno, the man, not the football coach.
Over the years at Penn State, Joe has chosen to live a rather simple live, giving back to the university huge sums of his income, for the benefit of the school he loves. His name is on learning centers and libraries, not the sports venues.
I find it so disheartening to read posts by some here that I like and admire, that amount to nothing more than mudslinging and piling on attitude.
Remember one thing; we do not have all the facts, just a great deal of information, as well as misinformation being bantered about in the media. Even now we learn the testimony of Mike McQuery is being called into question, as to what he may or may not have done, or who he may or may not have told concerning events in 2002. Also, during grand jury testimony there are no lawyers present to question those that give their statements, thus it is information that cannot be challenged until there is a trial.
I also don’t understand one major point, if Mike McQuery saw a child being abused, why didn’t he put a stop to it and call the police? In grand jury testimony he said he told Joe Paterno, the next day, why that delay? In other correspondence he claims he put a stop to Sandusky’s attack, and he called the police and spoke to them about what he’d witnessed.
If the latter is the truth, then Joe Paterno and his superiors where under the impression the police were investigating the matter, and there should have been nothing more for them to report to authorities.
As you must understand, there still remains a ton of information yet to come out, and until all the truth is known, not guessing and speculation, I’ll remain a strong supporter of Joe Paterno, the man most schools and businesses would be proud to have called him one of theirs.
“And also, he stated he [McQueary] went to the campus police who said yesterday thats not true.”
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Did McQueary testify under oath to the grand jury that he went to the campus police? Or did he say this afterwards to the press?
Nothing like prejudging. Presumed innocent until proven otherwise, which is why there are courts.
I’ll remain a strong supporter of Joe Paterno, the man most schools and businesses would be proud to have called him one of theirs.
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Apparently PSU is not one of these schools
Ghostwriter November 19th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Never been banned anywhere. Stop making false statements.
‘Remember one thing; we do not have all the facts, just a great deal of information, as well as misinformation being bantered about in the media’.
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100% correct.
BIG AL November 19th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
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Nice post. There is a lot more that we don’t know about the PSU sandal and Paterno’s role in it than we do know. And the grand jury transcripts of necessity are only one side of the story. It will be interesting to see how the state’s case holds up to cross examination.
Your Worst Nightmare November 19th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Ghostwriter November 19th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Never been banned anywhere. Stop making false statements.
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I see. And this is the only screenname under which you’ve posted on this blog?
We don’t have all the facts…..but we do have some facts including what Paterno himself told the grand jury….which was that he was informed that something of a sexual nature occurred between Sandusky and a child in a shower on in a PSU facility. Sandusky was allowed around the team for years after this and even did recruiting for Penn state after this……at the very least Joe Pa used incredibly poor judgement on this subject..
For those of you with reservations concerning Darvish, all you need to focus on is the fact he has had a SUB 2.00 ERA for 5 straight seasons, which had NEVER been done previously by a SP in Japan. I assume it’s true that he’s only 25 yrs old, meaning there is NOT a ton of wear-and-tear on this guys hose. It’s far wiser to spend the $$$ on Darvish, vs spending it onna College SP that has already had his arm run through the ringer by his coach. As for going the trade route for a SP, EVERY team in MLB always demands Far More from the Yanks in terms of players, than they do of any other team.
Ghostwriter November 19th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
That’s correct.
One of the disturbing things about these kinds of startling revelations like the scandal at PSU is that it brings out a series of similar charges which lack evidence.
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Ghostwriter, I don’t want to get too much into nonbaseball stuff, but it’s really not surprising at all that more charges are being brought up.
Think about it. If you were molested, maybe you’d be ashamed, you’d hide it, you’d be afraid to mention it. And now that it’s in the spotlight, maybe you feel empowered enough to say something. Or maybe you realize that by NOT speaking up, you’re allowing pedophiles and molesters to continue attacking innocent people.
I get that we need to look at these things with a grain of salt. In this country you’re innocent until proven guilty, and I support that, but let’s not get overly cynical about possible victims.
Ghostwriter -
McQueary wrote an E-mail to friends stating he stopped the Sandusky attack, then called and spoke with the police. This contradicts his testimony to the grand jury.
Also, if he witnessed the abuse by Sandusky, and did not stop it, and did not call the police, how did he not get the ax, along with Paterno and others?
There are just too many missing pieces to this story to make a final judgement, although that will not stop those that believe all they hear and read to this point as being the whole truth, which in and of itself is sad.
I agree Donnybrook. Darvish has a lot of documented success against professional competition, and he’s been astonishingly successful. I’d take the gamble that he translates to some degree in the MLB.
DONNYBROOK November 19th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
For those of you with reservations concerning Darvish, all you need to focus on is the fact he has had a SUB 2.00 ERA for 5 straight seasons, which had NEVER been done previously by a SP in Japan. I assume it’s true that he’s only 25 yrs old, meaning there is NOT a ton of wear-and-tear on this guys hose. It’s far wiser to spend the $$$ on Darvish, vs spending it onna College SP that has already had his arm run through the ringer by his coach. As for going the trade route for a SP, EVERY team in MLB always demands Far More from the Yanks in terms of players, than they do of any other team.
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I’ve seen his numbers, but I remain extremely skeptical of Darvish. It occurs to me that the Sox and Booby V might have an inside track on Darvish. With his time in Japan, Bobby V has probably seen Darvish pitch a number of times up close and personal. If the Sox are big players in the Darvish sweepstakes, then I suspect that it may be because Valentine has vouched for Darvish as the real deal.
McQueary testified under oath to the grand jury. That’s what I know.
I also know that Paterno had a lot more power than McQueary, that if it was Paterno’s grandchild who was molested by Sandusky, Paterno would have done a lot more than assume the police were handling it. And if he saw the piece of dirt back on the campus, he probably would have clocked him.
But then again, it wasn’t Paterno’s grandchild. It was some disadvantaged ten-year-old.
Big Al, I didn’t have time to read your whole post but I will when I come back. On my way to a birthday party. Children are God’s innocents. They all deserve our protection, not just the ones who come from the “right” families.
Later all.
RadioKev November 19th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
One of the disturbing things about these kinds of startling revelations like the scandal at PSU is that it brings out a series of similar charges which lack evidence.
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Ghostwriter, I don’t want to get too much into nonbaseball stuff, but it’s really not surprising at all that more charges are being brought up.
Think about it. If you were molested, maybe you’d be ashamed, you’d hide it, you’d be afraid to mention it. And now that it’s in the spotlight, maybe you feel empowered enough to say something. Or maybe you realize that by NOT speaking up, you’re allowing pedophiles and molesters to continue attacking innocent people.
I get that we need to look at these things with a grain of salt. In this country you’re innocent until proven guilty, and I support that, but let’s not get overly cynical about possible victims.
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I understand that there would be some of that–folks who were ashamed screwing their courage to confront their abusers. And I think that it’s good that they finally tell their stories. However, I suspect that some of the accusations that are now coming to light are unfounded.
Your Worst Nightmare November 19th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Ghostwriter November 19th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
That’s correct.
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With all due respect, that is false. I would thank you to stop posting falsehoods.
BIG AL November 19th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Ghostwriter -
McQueary wrote an E-mail to friends stating he stopped the Sandusky attack, then called and spoke with the police. This contradicts his testimony to the grand jury.
Also, if he witnessed the abuse by Sandusky, and did not stop it, and did not call the police, how did he not get the ax, along with Paterno and others?
There are just too many missing pieces to this story to make a final judgement, although that will not stop those that believe all they hear and read to this point as being the whole truth, which in and of itself is sad.
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I would tend to give more credence to what he testified to the grand jury. Besides, if he testified to the grand jury that he went to the police, and they contradict him, then it would suggest that he committed perjury. However, your post suggests that he may have embellished his story for his friends. This would make him a liar, but not a perjurer.
Team’s have even sent their own GM over to Japan to witness Darvish first hand in anticipation of his being posted. Jennings may feel the Winter Meetings will fire up the hot stove, but should Darvish post prior to that, it’s gonna create a firestorm. I am surprised at how quite it has been on the Pujols Front. If I was Theo, I would immediatelty hit Pujols And the Cards with $30 Mill per for 10 years. Cashman signed Damon in order to strengthen the Yanks and at the same time weaken their nemesis. Theo should do likewise, and immediately put his mark on the Cubs. The Cubs got the $$$.
“I would immediatelty hit Pujols And the Cards with $30 Mill per for 10 years.”
This seems like wildly over bidding for Pujols. I would be surprised if he got anywhere near that number. Ten years at $25 million per year sounds much closer to the mark (and it still seems high to me).
Who else is in on Pujols besides the Cards and the Cubs? Not the Yanks, and not the Sox. So, who would have the resources to push Pujols’ price so high? I don’ think that the Cards have the money. So., who would be bidding against the Cubbies?
If you wanna pry Pujols from his life-long association with The Cards, you Must over bid, AND your gonna have to get his attention First.
DONNYBROOK November 19th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
If you wanna pry Pujols from his life-long association with The Cards, you Must over bid, AND your gonna have to get his attention First.
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What makes you think that the Cards can afford him, after the contract that they gave Holliday? Doesn’t LaRussa’s retirement significantly weaken their position with Pujols?
Children are God’s innocents. They all deserve our protection, not just the ones who come from the “right” families.
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Amen Amen Amen
I believe Pujols would give The Cards a home town discount. He wants to stay in St. Louis, meaning any other team is gonna have to court him like George did with Reggie back in the day, and pony up\$$$ like George did also.