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Darvish posting still uncertain

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 20, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Not so long ago, it seemed to be almost a given that Yu Darvish would be posted this offseason. Now it seems to be growing less and less certain.

Yesterday Darvish’s father said it was “about 50-50″ whether his son would be posted for bidding by American teams. The posting system is not particularly popular, and Darvish might elect not to go through it.

Why not?

My friend Jeff Passan might have answered that question over at Yahoo! Sports. In an article that addresses the beginning of the posting system — and Yankees assistant GM Jean Afterman’s role in it — Passan wrote last week that Darvish might protest such a system by refusing to be a part of it.

“I get the impression he wants to stand for something,” one general manager told Passan.

If you’re at all interested in Darvish and haven’t read that Passan article, be sure to give it a read. Interesting stuff about a situation that’s not instantly familiar to a lot of fans here in the United States.

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259 Responses to “Darvish posting still uncertain”

  1. Red Robin November 20th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Looks too skinny to be an impactful MLB player .

  2. DaSaint007 November 20th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Nunez is needed to back up Alex and Derek, and will possibly get additional time at 2B and RF this year. He IS the epitome of super-sub: Versitile, a legitimate stolen-base threat, good offensively, and improving defensively – all while under team control for several years.

    Yankees need to only on adding a legit SP, and a capable lefty for the pen. What the Yankees have is significant and excess minor league talent that can be traded. The Cubs want to rebuild their system, and while the Yankees minor league strength is now in their upper, not lower system, it’s possible deals could be done to acquire Marshall to upgrade the pen.

  3. yankee21 November 20th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    DaSaint

    Marshall is a good pitcher, but unless NY would intend to use him as a SP, I doubt NY would really derive that much value from him through logging relief innings.

  4. blake November 20th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    There is nothing in Nunez’s minor league track record or evidence from watching him play that he will be the player that some folks seem to think he’s going to be.

    He’s in his mid 20?s, has horrible footwork, and has an approach at thethe plate that has a good chance to be exposed with more playing time.

    I like having him on the team as he has value in a backup/utility role……but I don’t think he’s the air apparent at SS and I don’t think he’s irreplaceable for the Yankees either if they can get value for him.

    That doesn’t mean you deal him just to deal him…..he’s too valuable for that……however if I could potentially upgrade the rotation by moving him I certainly would.

  5. Baseball Mogul November 20th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Nunez, Swisher & Betances for extended Cain

  6. yankee21 November 20th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Blake, your last statement is the catch, if you can leverage Nunez for an upgrade to the rotation your ok. As I would be- provided the trade target is an upgrade and provided I a utility SS falls out of the woodwork that can hit ML pitching and NY could sign.

  7. blake November 20th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    “and improving defensively ”

    When did this happen? Im not trying to pile on the kid……because I do like some of the tools has and he did a nice job for the Yanks last year.

    However, if you look at him objectively…..you’ll see a guy going on 25 that still has poor fundamentals defensively and has a hacker approach at the plate……again not saying I don’t like him…..I just don’t see him the way some do I guess.

  8. blake November 20th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    “Nunez, Swisher & Betances for extended Cain”

    If you can get Beltran to accept a 2 year deal them im in

  9. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Dragons edge Hawks; series tied 3-3
    Chunichi win sets stage for decisive seventh game to crown Japan Series champion

    That was yesterday. It’s now 4:00AM Monday in Japan and I don’t know who won the series. Expect Darvish to make a decision soon whether he wants the Ham Fighters to post him, as the process once it starts could well take 5-6 weeks once posted and signed.

    Article about last night’s game:

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/sb20111120j1.html

  10. yankee21 November 20th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Back to Darvish and the opening thread by Chad.

    Give me a break with his supposed father’s comments about Davish protesting the system by not subjecting himself to posting. Yeah right. How can you be 50/50??

    He either is or isn’t.. What is this 50% BS?

  11. Villa Nova-Ya November 20th, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    The more consecutive games Nunez played at a position, the better his throws. When he was going from spot to spot, the throws were off. I think that can be worked on and improved with practice and experience.

    Also agree in the right circumstance, Nunez is a good trade piece, but I’d be reluctant to part with him, because right now he fills a huge need for the Yankees, and will not really be easily replaced. sure, you can throw any utility guy in there, but I think “Nunie” brings a little more to the table.

    And on the lighter side, a reason not to want Jurrjens is that I don’t think I’ve seen his named spelled the same in two consecutive posts. I don’t think I’VE spelled his name correctly in two of my own posts. It would be an absolute nightmare, unless he started going by the nickname JJ. :)

    Not counting on Darvish…

  12. Pat M. November 20th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    MLB Network is replaying Game 5 of the 1976 ALCS ……What a great game to watch it again 35 years later…….Thurman was at the peak of his powers……

  13. blake November 20th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    “Also agree in the right circumstance, Nunez is a good trade piece, but I’d be reluctant to part with him, because right now he fills a huge need for the Yankees, and will not really be easily replaced. sure, you can throw any utility guy in there, but I think “Nunie” brings a little more to the table.”

    Yea I agree…..I just don’t think “can’t trade” and ” backup infielder” belong in the same sentence.

  14. Villa Nova-Ya November 20th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    blake -

    I don’t think of Nunez as merely a backup infielder, because he is going to see a lot of playing time (Girardi seem very committed to resting ARod, Jeter and Cano on a more regular basis), and because he could become a “Super-Ute” if he starts to do more work in the outfield.

    Girardi has no qualms about giving guys a rest because Nunez has some assets that, say, Pena, does not have.

    Very few guys you “can’t” trade, though (NTC’s aside).

  15. austinmac November 20th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    I think you are both correct. Nunez is important, I he could be an Alexei Ramirez. Right now, if he could be a part of deal for a no. 2 starter, sign me up.

  16. m November 20th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Not a Nunez fan, but he is a necessary backup with on older left side of the infield. Yes, Chavez can come back. But even if he’s healthy, he doesn’t play SS or 2B as far as I know.

  17. Villa Nova-Ya November 20th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    austinmac -

    If it’s a no-doubt pitcher (as no-doubt as is reasonably possible), yeah, I guess you have to.

    But it will take two players to replace Nunez I think. He plays three infield positions plus outfield, can throw, can run, pretty good hitter who may have some pop. Who can they get with that profile? Oh, yeah, and he’s cheap and has a year under his belt.

  18. Villa Nova-Ya November 20th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Never thought I’d find myself singing the praises of Eduardo Nunez. ;)

  19. blake November 20th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Mac,

    He actually reminds me of alexi a little and I’ve posted that before….but hes behind schedule to be that type of player. Again….I like him but would deal him for a guy like Jurjjins

  20. austinmac November 20th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    Blake,

    I knew I didn’t invent that comparison. He is tradable, but Jurjjens scares me with the velocity decline.

  21. coney1 November 20th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Would you guys do Nunez for Jony Venters? I would. He could be our closer of the future. Now the question is, would the Braves? If they view Nunez as a starting shortstop, then you have to give up something to get something and a left-handed reliever for a starting shortstop is more than fair.

  22. G. Love November 20th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    My 2 cents? I think Cashman subtly put Granderson on the market this week when he mentioned no one asks about him. I think he’s seeing if Granderson can shake loose Cain or Lincecum. You’re not getting either for a package built around Swisher/Gardner.

    If the Giants offered either for an MVP type CF though I think the Yankees would listen since they have Gardner to play CF and would be replacing a corner then.

    As for this Nunez to the Braves stuff, it’s too publicized at this point to happen. Cashman rarely does the obvious trade. Still, he and Hal made it a point to poo poo NL pitchers, especially Atlanta pitchers, publicly last week. That could be a negotiating tactic used to beat Atlanta down in a deal.

    If we got Jurrjiens who has 2 more years of control for a package built around Nunez it would be a steal. Nunez doesn’t have a position here. Chavez would be the 3b backup over him if both were healthy and on the roster.

    If Swisher/Nunez and something minor brought Jurrjiens and Prado? That’s a great deal for the Yankees. It also allows them to pursue Beltran who is a much better hitter than Swisher.

    Seeing Swisher’s “It’s all good” schtick in the paper this morning re: his post season failures, just made me want him off the team more than ever. I realize he’s a fan favorite, but I think he’s part of the problem here of guy who go ice ice cold for months, get hot for a few weeks and then disappear when the pitching gets better.

    Jurrjiens isn’t an ace, but I don’t think we’re getting an Ace type w/o Montero being dealt or w/o maybe someone like Grandy being dealt.

    I’m not saying they’re dealing Grandy, but I do find it interesting that Cashman publicly mentioned he’s not asked about him. He’s using him as bait and the only bait for an MVP CF who hit 40+ HR’s is a top of the rotation pitcher.

    Stay tuned Yankees fans. The stove’s going to get hot in a week or two.

  23. DaSaint007 November 20th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    Teams want Nunez the way they want Ty Wiggington. Decent defense, good pop, and plays multiple positions. What sets Nunez apart, IMO, is his age, his speed, and his low cost. With additional playing time, one can arguably expect him to improve.

    Yankee depth in minor league pitching and catching, followed by the fact they have 2 CF and a RF with only 1 year left, are the key points. While no one would be surprised if Swisher were traded, either of the CF candidates are also conceivable, with the remaining one manning CF. I could see Gardner traded and Beltran in LF. I could see Swisher traded and Beltran in RF. I just don’t think it happens though.

  24. Villa Nova-Ya November 20th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    G. Love.

    I disagree about Grandy being floated out there. I think it was simply a case of saying that GMs know who NOT to ask for.

    If they traded Nunez, I’d get used to it. If they traded Swisher, I’d get used to it. If they traded Grandy, I’d be very upset. When I read your post I had a visceral reaction to the idea.

    So, I sure hope the hot stove doesn’t get that hot for me. :)

  25. DaSaint007 November 20th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    With Granderson being as talented on and off the field as he is, I too can’t see the Yankees trading him. He’s a veritible PR machine in the Derek Jeter mold. And considering that Jete has potentially only 1 year left beyond 2012, that could mean something.

    Gardner on the other hand has value. He’s a defensive highlight reel, and could steal more bases with the right instruction (where’s Rickey when you need him?). So his upside has trade value, as does Swisher’s productivity in a lineup. Penciling in 20/80 annually is nothing to sneeze at.

    Not sure if the Yankees are looking short term (Beltran) or long-term (Ethier? Hamilton?), so it will be interesting to see how the OF shakes out should there be changes.

    One thing is sure: At least one of Montero, Romine, Cervelli or Sanchez will not be Yankee property come start of next season. Same can be said of Phelps, Warren, Mitchell and possibly Noesi.

  26. DaSaint007 November 20th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Let me add Justin Upton to the long-term OF watch list…

  27. Villa Nova-Ya November 20th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    Also, you have to factor in the power decline of ARod (possible) in thinking about trading Grandy. Who replaces 30-40 homeruns?

    I know Cashman said he’d sacrifice some offense, but can you really sacrifice that much?

  28. Villa Nova-Ya November 20th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    DaSaint -

    Do you think Arizona lets Upton go? Maybe it will depend on what kind of a season they have in 2012. Was 2011 an aberration? Will they be closer to 2010? Somewhere in between? Will they contend again?

  29. Joe from Long Island November 20th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    I understand the thought process behind thinking Cash might be testing the market for Granderson, like with the Giants. I had the same thought myself. However, I don’t know how likely it is that Granderson would be dealt, even for a stud pitcher like Cain or Lincecum.

    That’s an awful lot of offense to send packing. Yeah, Gardner could play the position, then you replace the corner OF spot. But, how do you replace the number of HRs, RBIs, and runs scored? It’s not so easy to figure out.

    And, maybe Cash is trying to beat down the price for one or more NL pitchers. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit. That’s his job.

    Heck, Cash might be doing that, with the intent that some AL GM sees/here’s the quote, and lowers the price on one of his own pitchers that he’s trying to move. There’s always multiple audiences for any public statement.

    We will never know what Cash, or any GM, is working on, unless it comes to fruition.

  30. yankee21 November 20th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    I think Grandy is part of the solution in NY not part of the solution for NY by being traded.

    Guys with his tools just do not grow on trees so you keep them. If the LAD had to have him then I would trade him straight up for Kershaw no problem parting ways with Grandy then…

  31. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    I doubt the Yankees would deal Granderson when they have a vault full of trade chips. They can acquire anything they need without dealing a significant piece of the major league roster.

  32. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    Montero, Gardner, Nunez, Swisher, Betances, Hughes, Noesi, Warren…

    Granderson is staying put IMHO.

  33. blake November 20th, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    Can’t see Upton being available at least for a couple of years or if the Dbacks regress ……and even then it would take a huge package……like top 3 or 4 prospects in a system big.

    Granderson would need a giant return to deal him……something like the Teheran, Heyward, Minor deal I posted about for fun the other day.

  34. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    I want to see the whining start on here when Pena starts 40+ games a year and hits .210, while Jurjjins misses 10 starts and is throwing at 87-89 MPH.

  35. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    I see you guys are still at it.

    Figure anything out ?

    :)

  36. Baseball Mogul November 20th, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    I think Cash saying that no one has asked about Granderson is because no one would waste their time. It would take a big return (I would do the blake’s Atl deal if I were the Yankees, but I doubt they would propose such a thing). DaSaint makes an important point about Curtis off the field. The Yankees would love to portray him as the face of the franchise as Jeter fades from the spotlight because of what Curtis epitomizes.

  37. kd November 20th, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    what would the sf giants give up for granderson? cain? bumgardner?

  38. blake November 20th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    “I want to see the whining start on here when Pena starts 40+ games a year and hits .210, while Jurjjins misses 10 starts and is throwing at 87-89 MPH.”

    What if Jair won 18 and Pena made 20 less errors than Nunez? You can go to both extremes.

  39. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    The SF Giants don’t have the money to sign FA pitchers and just dealt one starter. Can’t see them dealing another starting pitcher. They need to win now and two rookie starters won’t do that.

  40. Villa Nova-Ya November 20th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    MTU -

    I figured out that no one can consistently spell Jurrjens. LOL

    ;)

  41. Stoneburner November 20th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    Mariners are in need of power lefthanded bats – just saying . . . .

  42. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    VN-

    I think you found your answer when you suggested JJ.

    ;)

  43. blake November 20th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Love Grandy……but he’s over 30 now and his track record of being an elite level player is still relatively short……and he’s only under contract 2 more years.

    Id listen if somebody wanted to blow me away with an offer…… but it would take a big one. Granderson would be much more avaiable than Cano for me.

  44. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    That’s Blake.

    Always tryin’ to sell high.

    :)

  45. blake November 20th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Jair is much easier to spell ;)

  46. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    blake November 20th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
    “I want to see the whining start on here when Pena starts 40+ games a year and hits .210, while Jurjjins misses 10 starts and is throwing at 87-89 MPH.”

    What if Jair won 18 and Pena made 20 less errors than Nunez? You can go to both extremes.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    If Noesi starts for NY, he’ll be close enough to Jurjjins, that it won’t matter. Do you really want Pena for that many starts? You’re fast becoming a close copy of Bret when you get on a player kick. You want everyone and will sacrifice anybody to get it. There is nobody in the Yankee system that gives NYYs the security and options that Nunez does and nobody on the market. If there were, teams would be signing them instead of trying to trade starting pitchers for them. Keep in mind that Hanson also has injuries. If NYYs has a rotation slot to fill, they have enough between, Noesi, Warren and Phelps to cover the #5 slot until the younger pitchers are ready. All they need is 10-12 wins out of the 5th slot.

  47. Stoneburner November 20th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    If you come at the King – you best not miss – but would you miss w/ a package built around Granderson, Betances, and Company

  48. 108 stitches November 20th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
    I want to see the whining start on here when Pena starts 40+ games a year and hits .210, while Jurjjins misses 10 starts and is throwing at 87-89 MPH.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I see Jair Jurrjens as a Jaret Wright waiting to happen. There’s other options.

  49. blake November 20th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    MTU,

    how’s it goin ……..yea im not looking to sell Grandy…….but everything has a price ;)

  50. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Blake-

    With the way the “autocorrect” works on your phone you’d be calling him “jar” all the time.

    Here’s my advice. Never trust another pitcher from the Caribbean.

    They all turn into Sidney Ponson sooner or later.

    :)

  51. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    MTU November 20th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
    That’s Blake.

    Always tryin’ to sell high.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    At times, like Bret, trying to sell while high. Too much nitrous oxide?

  52. blake November 20th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    “You’re fast becoming a close copy of Bret when you get on a player kick”

    Come on now…..that’s just silly.

  53. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    How’s goin’ GB ?

    Progress on the house ?

    Got the the roofing and wiring done yet ?

    P.S. Blake is just greedy. Like me.

    :)

  54. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Afternoon, MTU. House repairs have hit a snag lately….money snag. Other than that, not bad.

    Greed is good, but, when other GMs are more greedy than you are, nothing’s going to happen.

  55. blake November 20th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    The Yankees are wonderful, all their prospects are wonderful and are future stars, they have no holes or weaknesses and need to do nothing this winter.

    Is that better?

  56. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    GB-

    Yeah. They know we’re loaded in some areas.

    No way Cash should pay any Yankee tax any more.

    The days of the golden fleecing are gone.

    I hope.

    Best of luck with the house. Too bad those “kids” aren’t paying for the damage.

    They should have to make it right with dough AND labor.

    In my next life I’ll make sure my Daddy is the local Police chief.

    What crap.

    ;)

  57. ADam November 20th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Why would Darvish not post if he truly wants to play in the states? Next year, He might be the 9th or 10th best FA pitcher on the market.. This year he’s easily in the top 5 if not 3

    If the guys wants to stay in Japan, great, more power to him, but If he wants to cash in, now is the time to post.. Will be interesting

  58. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Blake-

    You can always talk to me about trades.

    I’m like Cash. I’ll listen.

    ;)

  59. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    There are really only 24 team that NYYS can trade with and of the 24, NYYs will not be doing deals with two others until those teams change their tactics….Minnesota and Seattle. You might even add in Colorado. Sort of limits things a bit.

  60. blake November 20th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    If the Braves would do Jair for Nunez straight up then Cashman would do that deal in a hurry I think. Problem is the Braves would ask for more…..and the more is where id get cautious.

  61. blake November 20th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    GB,

    Right there with you on Noesi though.

  62. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    blake November 20th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
    The Yankees are wonderful, all their prospects are wonderful and are future stars, they have no holes or weaknesses and need to do nothing this winter.

    Is that better?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Doing something from strength is fine…doing something from a weakness just to be doing something is stupid. There are no shortstops in the upper system and none worth having on the market….unless you want to pay someone like Alex Gonzales starting shortstop money to be a utility player.

  63. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    GB-

    What about getting Angel Berroa to play SS ?

    In between taking his Geritol I hear he plays a mean short.

  64. Tar November 20th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    I’m of the mind-set that the more playing time Nuney ( :D ) gets the better he will be. Apparently the Braves think so as well.

    Even if you discount his talent, His value to the Yankees is very important just for the insurance he gives them at 2 key positions I would trade him for the right deal, but Jair doesn’t do it for me.

  65. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    As for moving Swisher…who replaces him? Cuddyer is the only comparable replacement and he’s asking for more money than Swisher. They aren’t getting Heyward in return. They aren’t getting Cain or Bumgarner in return. The Dodgers and White Sox don’t need him. Oakland had him and traded him and that park will never draw power hitters unless it’s their last option.

  66. blake November 20th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    “Doing something from strength is fine…doing something from a weakness just to be doing something is stupid.”

    I agree with you on that…..just don’t agree that it would be doing it for nothing. I value both players we are talking about differently than you.

  67. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    I’ll still take a guy whose name ryhmes with “Thanks”.

    (If I can get him at a reasonable cost and can extend him).

    ;)

  68. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Not sure what happene with Nunez’ defense that set him back, but, two years ago, he was a sensation in Scranton on defense. Not sure if it was the switching from position to position or the long stretches of inactivity. Footwork and rhythm is his problem…not his hands or arm. Much of the blame needs to be put on the minor league instructors…not enough of the right ones. Things players should be learning in the lowest of the minors aren’t being taught until they get to NY.

  69. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Or a guy whose name ryhmes with “Early”.

    ;)

  70. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    Or a guy whose name ryhmes with “Sportin’”.

    :)

  71. blake November 20th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    “As for moving Swisher…who replaces him?”

    This is the first question you have to ask. The only guy out there that’s as good as him is Beltran…..so unless you think you can get him to sign a deal you’re comfortable with…..I don’t ser how you can deal Swisher.

  72. blake November 20th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    There is no excuse for the Yanks not having the very best instructors at all levels…..

  73. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    When Jurjjins finds the missing 4-5 miles on his fastball and stays healthy, then, I might consider it. Until that time, he’s a hope and a prayer.

  74. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    GB-

    Let’s send Nunez to “Dancin’ with the Stars”.

    That ought to straighten him out.

    ;)

  75. LGY November 20th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    If the Braves would do Jair for Nunez straight up then Cashman would do that deal in a hurry I think.

    ——————-

    Is this even debatable?

    Can’t remember a bench player being so overvalued before and this is coming from someone who strongly defended Nunez when he was making an error every time he touched the ball at the beginning of last year.

  76. Villa Nova-Ya November 20th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Jair may be easier to spell, but it’s harder to pronounce!

  77. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    LGY-

    Just because the Yankees are using him that way at the moment doesn’t mean that’s his cieling.

    Dig ?

    ;)

  78. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    VN-

    Imagine if Jair goes bald.

    Jair with no hair.

    That’s a scary proposition.

  79. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Most of the Yankee system teams have only 3, maybe 4 coaches…manager, pitching coach and hitting instructor. They have a few traveling instructors, but, few if any infield/outfield instructors, no catching instructors (Wynegar is the hitting instructor with additional duties, no base running or outfield instructors and no bullpen coaches to teach these kids how to prepare for relieving duties.

  80. LGY November 20th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Nunez has a decent bat for a SS but if he continues to make so many errors he may actually be a net negative.

    The problem is it’s difficult to know if Nunez will actually get any better defensively with the sporadic playing time he will get with the Yanks.

  81. blake November 20th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Me and LGY vs the world :)

  82. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    OK.

    How about one of you guys gives us the “real” rundown on what the Yankees are gonna do this OS ?

    I’d appreciate it.

    TIA.

    :)

  83. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    MTU November 20th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
    GB-

    Let’s send Nunez to “Dancin’ with the Stars”.

    That ought to straighten him out.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Arthur Murray? I’d me more inclined to think that ballet classes would be more benficial. It strengthens the legs, torso and arms, teaches rhythm and balance. They don’t need to become Nureyev. Walter Payton was a big believer in it. He turned out fairly well.

  84. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Gotta run.

    Have a good eve.

    Catch you all later.

  85. MTU November 20th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    GB-

    I thought only Papelboner was allowed to wear a “tutu” ?

    :)

  86. Tar November 20th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

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    Can we at least establish that a starting SS has more value than a backup?

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    Can we at least establish that a starting SS has more value than a backup?

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    Nunez has only established he is a capable backup. Not much in his track record really suggests he’s a legitimate starter at this level.

    Likely, he is a fringe starting SS and I highly doubt he has the type of value to net a Jair Jurrjens straight up.

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    I was only peripherally interested in the ’77 WS at the time. College, you know! LOL

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    Granted, many players have taken leaps in performance at the big league level but why wasn’t Nunez very good when he was playing everyday in the minors?

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    He saw tons of fastball early last year……you can bet with regular playing time his plate discipline (which is poor) would be tested……h

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