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See you all in a week

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 20, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Every now and then, I take an actual week off. I back away from all things baseball — and blogging — to recharge the batteries a little bit. One of those weeks begins tomorrow.

Just wanted to give everyone a heads up that I’m taking this Thanksgiving week off to spend some time with my family. I’ll be back in the mix next Monday after a little bit of vacation time. While I’m gone, some familiar names from the Journal News sports department will be handling the blog. I’m going to be far, far away and don’t expect to be in front of a computer too often.

Don’t forget that the American League MVP will be announced tomorrow. I actually had an MVP vote this season. I’m not allowed to reveal my ballot until the results are announced — maybe I’ll talk about my picks next week — but I will say that in the final two or three weeks of the season, my ballot probably changed two dozen times. It was a tough call. At different points I had four different players in the top spot.

Regardless of how I voted, my gut feeling is that Jose Bautista will ultimately win. I think that largely because I believe the Justin Verlander votes will be all over the place — several votes for him to win, several votes with him much lower — but I expect Bautista will be near the top on the majority of ballots. A bunch of first, second and third-place votes could add up for him. I think Curtis Granderson will get some first-place votes, but I see him finishing between second and fourth.

Anyway, I hope everyone out there has a great Thanksgiving. If you’re not able to spend the holiday with family, I hope you spend it surrounded by people you love. Enjoy the week, everyone. See you in a few days.

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375 Responses to “See you all in a week”

  1. Chase November 20th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Thank you for all of your non-stop hard work, Chad!

    This is the best Yankees blog out there, because of your dedication and insight.

    Thank you and enjoy your time off!

  2. Villa Nova-Ya November 20th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Have a Happy Thanksgiving, Chad, and enjoy your time away.

  3. yankee21 November 20th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    Chad, thank you for your consistent work on this blog.
    Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

  4. m November 20th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Enjoy your well-deserved break, Chad!

  5. Erin November 20th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Chad- have a great week. Happy Thanksgiving. :)

  6. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Happy Thanksgiving, Chad!

    Braves wanted Myers and Cain from KC for Jurrjens. Not the kind of deal I would want to make. Esp. not with the dip in Jurrjen’s velo and the 6% drop in throwing his FB. If I want a SP who sits 89+, I’ll take DJ Mitchell over Jurrjens. As for Nunez, why am I trading away that batspeed again + another prospect for a pitcher who can’t even stay healthy?

    Just heard that Sid Crosby is returning to the Penguins lineup tomorrow. Good health and God bless!

  7. blake November 20th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Happy thanksgiving Chad. Enjoy your week off.

    The AL MVP should be a Tiger…..but not Verlander.

  8. blake November 20th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    “. As for Nunez, why am I trading away that batspeed again + another prospect for a pitcher who can’t even stay healthy?”

    You wouldn’t…..because the sheaves would want more than Nunez ;)

  9. blake November 20th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    “. As for Nunez, why am I trading away that batspeed again + another prospect for a pitcher who can’t even stay healthy?”

    You wouldn’t…..because the braves would want more than Nunez ;)

  10. blake November 20th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Put your braves fan hat on for a sec…

    Why would you trade a 26 year old starter who was one of the best pitchers in the league during the first half of 2011……..for an almost 25 year old infielder who is basically still a prospect……makes tons of errors…..and that has serious plate discipline issues?

  11. pat November 20th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Enjoy the week Chad.

    In the past, seems like breaking news has happened when the Lohud Blogmaster has been away.

  12. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    blake, Nunez alone wouldn’t reap Jurrjens. How much do you want to overpay for a pitcher with Jurrjens’ risks?

  13. blake November 20th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    YF,

    No…..I’m almost positive he wouldn’t. The how much more is the big question…..my answer is not much more.

  14. Joe from Long Island November 20th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Chad – have a Happy Thanksgiving, and safe traveling.

    I think the Braves’ organization has, over the years, shown itself to be very good at evaluating young talent. If they’re interested in Nunez, they see something that a fan does not. And, if they’re shopping a young pitcher, they see/know something the other team does not.

  15. Against All Odds November 20th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Enjoy your time off Happy Thanksgiving

  16. blake November 20th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    Joe,

    In general the Braves are well ran……they also traded Adam Wainwright, Elvis Andrus, Feliz…..etc…….they aren’t perfect.

    Honestly in this case I think they want to shed Jair’s salary and try to get a big return for him before its his walk year in 2013……Nunez is a guy they should have interest as they need a SS and they need offense badly.

    However….my guess is that Nunez would just be a piece they’d want in the deal……can’t see them giving JJ for Nunez straight up. The trade likely won’t happen because they’ll ask more than Cash will pay…..

  17. G. Love November 20th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    I really like Nunez. I love the way he can square up a fastball at times. He’s not a finished product yet. I think he’s got more development to go and if he ever gets sounder with his swing he has the bat speed to be a dangerous hitter as a middle infielder.

    I can see him being a trade target. What you saw last year is he runs well and has good bat speed. He also didn’t wilt in the few big moments I can think of that he was called upon.

    I don’t know squat about Jair and frankly I’d hate to go get another ATL pitcher and watch them get torn to shreds in the AL East. That said, you have to trust the Yankee scouts if they make this deal.

    I don’t think it’s Jair for Nunez at all. I think it’s a Swisher/Nunez package for Jair and more (possibly Prado) if it ever came to pass.

    If you were a team with a hole at SS you could do a lot worse than turn the spot over to Nunez and see if that bat develops with everyday playing time.

    He’s not going to get that on the Yankees until he’s 27-28 years old so if his value is high right now it might be the right time to deal him.

    If they keep him I won’t be upset though. I like him on this team. He doesn’t curl up into a ball when a tough pitcher is facing him and can catch up to a good fastball and pull it into LF.

    I honestly don’t think Cashman will deal with ATL again though. Whatever is being leaked could be to spur on a different deal with similar players involved. Cashman’s deals rarely get leaked this early.

  18. Jerkface November 20th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees deal for Jurrjens and include Swisher. That doesn’t seem like a good move. Nunez hits the ball really hard, I like that, but he shouldn’t hold back trades.

  19. blake November 20th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    The ball jumps off Nunez’s bat and as I’ve said over and over I do like what he bring s to the table……I just don’t value him at the level that some do and if he could help get a decent starter then id strongly consider parting with him.

    He hits fastballs very well……my concern is what he will do when he starts getting advance scouted and pitchers start exposing his weaknesses……..will he be able to adjust? The minor league track record and his approach at the plate don’t bode well in that area…….that doesn’t mean he wont overcome those things……its just far from a certainty and he’s not that young anymore.

  20. blake November 20th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    And that’s not even mentioning the defense…..if he can’t improve enough defensively to be an everyday SS then his value plummets.

  21. ericns1 November 20th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Happy Thanksgiving Chad and enjoy the time with your family!

  22. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Nunez actually had improved his plate discipline working with Wynegar in AAA. I am not worried about pitchers exposing his weaknesses. He can flat out hit. He’ll make the adjustments. His weakness will be not getting enough AB’s and therefore perhaps being overly aggressive at the plate. However, he is a very good hitter, who will only improve if given sufficient AB’s.

  23. blake November 20th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    If Vasquez wouldn’t have lost basically all his stuff in 2010 then I think he would have faired much better and that trade wouldn’t have looked so bad…….I don’t know if they should trade for Jurjjins or not……it depends on what else they’d want besides Nunez…..but what happened with Javy shouldn’t affect everything they do going forward.

  24. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    blake November 20th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
    Put your braves fan hat on for a sec…

    Why would you trade a 26 year old starter who was one of the best pitchers in the league during the first half of 2011……..for an almost 25 year old infielder who is basically still a prospect……makes tons of errors…..and that has serious plate discipline issues?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Because he disappeared in the 2nd half for two straight years? Nunez won’t be 25 until mid way through the season. Over the course of a full season, he walks as much as Cano.

  25. blake November 20th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    ” He can flat out hit. ”

    Where is the evidence? He had a .313 OBP last year and that falls right in line with what he did most if his minor leagues career. I think he has some tools offensively……but I haven’t seen much to suggest he will hit that much in the big leagues.

  26. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    I can’t believe Chad’s taling another vacation. One every two years isn’t enough for him?

  27. blake November 20th, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    “Over the course of a full season, he walks as much as Cano.”

    Cano is a special special talent…..the vast majority of guys with his approach are bad hitters because their ability isn’t on his level. He’s so good he can swing at everything and still be great.

  28. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Nunez’ batting improved at every level except his last year at Scranton when it took a slight dip. you still haven’t answered where Nunez’ replacement is coming from and for how much?

  29. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    Cano wasn’t exactly tearing up the minors, either.

  30. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Look…..if they keep him ……I hope Nunez makes me eat crow. It’ll fit in my turkey fryer im sure.

  31. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    People can stop pining away for wiggenton. He’s on his way to Philadelpia.

  32. Jerkface November 20th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    Nunez’ batting improved at every level except his last year at Scranton when it took a slight dip.

    He spent 3 seasons in A ball, and its not hard to improve from a .500 OPS. He has never come close to the .900 OPS that cano put up in AAA and Cano becoming a special player does not mean every prospect that struggles in the minors can suddenly turn it around in the majors. Cano is way bigger than Nunez at any rate, he has like 40 lbs on him.

  33. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    “you still haven’t answered where Nunez’ replacement is coming from and for how much?”

    Don’t know specifically…..two decent candidates just signed in the last couple of days. I don’t know who is available on that end in a trade ……honestly I don’t think a pena and Laird/chavez combo would be fine until they found something better.

  34. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    blake November 20th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
    ” He can flat out hit. ”

    Where is the evidence? He had a .313 OBP last year and that falls right in line with what he did most if his minor leagues career. I think he has some tools offensively……but I haven’t seen much to suggest he will hit that much in the big leagues.
    ____________
    .313 in how many sporadic AB’s? The kid was adjusting to a bump up in league and a utility role. He had a .349 OBP in AA and was an All Star. He had a .340 OBP in AAA, and was improving but he hasn’t gotten playing time. Also don’t forget that he was a switch hitter up until recently.

  35. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    It’s going to get pretty crowded in that fryer of yours

  36. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    Nunez’s bat will play very well at SS. You can’t compare Nunez to Cano; he’ll never have Cano’s kind of pop.

  37. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    I do think Pena and Laird/Chavez would be fine I mean

  38. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Also Nunez had a .303 average, .353 OBP vs. righties in AAA in 2010.

  39. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    YF,

    Again there are some tools there to like…..I just don’t see him the way you do I guess.

  40. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    Nunez spent most of his time sharing infield duties with high priced bonus kids like CJ Henry and others like Luis Nunez and Mitch Hilligoss. He was 18 years old when he started and 22 when he finally got his own position. He’ll be just fine and since the next Jeter replacement is still at least 4 tears away, they’d be better off keeping the one they have.

  41. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    “Nunez’s bat will play very well at SS. ”

    maybe…..but he has to be able to play SS for that to have value. Right now he’s not good enough defensively to play at short every day…..

  42. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    Yeah, I’d love to see Pena hitting in 40 or so games a year. His defense isn’t so special that NYYs can afford that.

  43. GreenBeret7 November 20th, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    What pitcher do you want to get at the end of 2012 to replace the injured Jurjjins? NYYs will run out of tradable players if they keep going after players that can’t help them.

  44. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    “Yeah, I’d love to see Pena hitting in 40 or so games a year. His defense isn’t so special that NYYs can afford that.”

    do you think Pena backing up instead of Nunez would cost them games? I don’t

  45. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    “What pitcher do you want to get at the end of 2012 to replace the injured Jurjjins?”

    what if he doesn’t get injured? After 2012 the hope is that Banuelos and Betances will be close to ready and that Noesi will have already established himself. You don’t think a healthy Jurjins could help them?

  46. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
    #braves long interested in nyy ss nunez (as john harper said). but him alone doesn’t rent jair jurrjens for a week.
    11 hours ag

    Heyman has spoken….I rest my case :)

  47. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    the trade is very unlikely because the Braves are going to want a major haul to deal Jair…..I don’t think they are shopping him because he’s hurt or because they don’t like him…..I think they are seeing if they can get a big return now before he gets too close to free agency and also to trim payroll a bit.

  48. LGY November 20th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    If the Yankees bring back Chavez it’s probably a pretty good indication they don’t view Nunez’s bat as favorably as many do here.

  49. LGY November 20th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Well, maybe not just in particular his bat, but his overall game.

  50. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    If they bring Chavez back then that would presumably take a good number of games away from Nunez as Alex is the guy that would figure to need the most rest.

  51. LGY November 20th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    I like Nunez a lot. He’s a really fun and exciting kid to watch.

    However, he should be far down the list of untouchable players on the Yankees.

    They shouldn’t hesitate to move Nunez if they can use him as a piece to upgrade the rotation or regular lineup. Those two aspects of the team are just far more important than whatever the kid can provide in a backup role.

  52. Red Robin November 20th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    I think Adrian Gonzalez will win the MVP running away .

    :(

  53. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    LGY,

    yea…we pretty much agree on Nuney.

    Sherman mentioned today that the ChiSox like Romine and Noesi…..speculating a potential deal for Danks. I really would like to see them keep Noesi out of any deal.

  54. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    “I think Adrian Gonzalez will win the MVP running away”

    kinda like he ran away in September?

  55. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Who says that Nunez is an untouchable? But you damn well better have someone who can replace him if you are going to deal him.

  56. blake November 20th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    “But you damn well better have someone who can replace him if you are going to deal him.”

    how many win different do you think it would be if Pena and Chavez…..or Pena and Laird backed up instead of Nunez?

  57. blake November 20th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Nunez was a -0.6 player last year…..if you buy in to that sort of thing……..

  58. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    blake, I buy into the offensive numbers, but not UZR, and especially not a one year UZR. Reyes is a -3.1, btw.

  59. blake November 20th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    Sorry I meant WAR…that was supposed to say a -0.6 WAR player. Reyes was at +6.2 in that area.

  60. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    Blake, his UZR is the same as his WAR. But I don’t see that # as particularly relevant to a kid who barely plays. Reyes is a regular position player who had a phenomenal year.

  61. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    blake November 20th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
    “But you damn well better have someone who can replace him if you are going to deal him.”

    how many win different do you think it would be if Pena and Chavez…..or Pena and Laird backed up instead of Nunez?
    ____
    What about if Jeter got hurt? Would you trust Pena? Your bottom of order would be pretty crummy. & Chavez and Laird don’t play SS.

  62. blake November 20th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    YF,

    in 2009 Ramiero Pena had +0.3 WAR (69 games) and in 2010 he had a -0.2 WAR (85 games).

    Not trying to say Pena is a better player than Nunez (because he’s not)…..or that WAR is the end all be all (especially in small samples) or even that important…..but if you swapped out the two in back up roles I honestly don’t think the number of games the Yankees would win would change in any significant way.

    Hopefully Alex and Jeter will not get hurt next year……if they don’t then Nunez will play less than he did in 2011…….and if they re-sign Chavez then that’ll be even less still.

  63. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Blake, who is your SS if Jeter gets hurt. Imagine the bottom of your lineup as Martin and Pena, and the top Gardner during those spells when he isn’t hitting. I’d rather not.

  64. blake November 20th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    “What about if Jeter got hurt? Would you trust Pena?

    if Jeter is out a long time I think it’s going to hurt either way…..I think Pena catches the ball and would do ok until Derek got back.

  65. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Also add in Nunez’s development and his bat evolving and playing if he is indeed your future SS. Pena has no hope of that. Cito is light years away. As are our IFA’s. Then you need to make a trade or get a “one way” SS.

  66. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Pena really cannot hit.

  67. blake November 20th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    “Blake, who is your SS if Jeter gets hurt.”

    I’d rather Jeter not get hurt…..the point is as it relates to the discussion is that I don’t think you can avoid making a deal that could improve the team because one of your regulars “might” get hurt. Nunez is a better hitter than Pena…..but his defense was so bad last year that it essentially voided it.

  68. blake November 20th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    I don’t think Nunez is the future SS…..

  69. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    blake, he is the present one if Jeter gets hurt.

  70. blake November 20th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    but I think we are kinda debating around the point here…..I don’t want to trade Nunez unless the return makes the team better because Nunez is valuable and I like what he brings to the table.

    I would trade him…..but not just for the sake of trading him…..would have to be a good return….and one that made sense.

  71. LGY November 20th, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    I would try to sign Ramon Santiago if they could use Nunez to upgrade the rotation or everyday lineup.

  72. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    I value Nunez more than you do. He can hit; he will likely play a super utility role if he can play in RF. And his D isn’t as bad as he played at times this year. However, I would trade him for a player I wanted who I didn’t have to overpay for. I am not trading Nunez and another high level prospect for Jurrjens who has is sitting 89 and doesn’t trust his fastball.

  73. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    who *is* sitting.

    Jurrjens will get pounded if he sits 89.

  74. blake November 20th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    “blake, he is the present one if Jeter gets hurt.”

    Derek is getting older but he’s not exactly injury prone…..he’s failed to play 145 games 2 times in his career….and never failed to play any less than 119. Nunez is a nice guy to have around……but I wouldn’t hold him out of a trade to improve the rotation or another area just in case Jeter gets hurt.

  75. LGY November 20th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    Aren’t the Yankees trying to bring back Andruw?

    When would Nunez play RF?

  76. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    That is not why I am holding him out. I am holding him out because I don’t want to deal for said player with what it will take, an overpay, the equivalent of Myers, Cain. Plus I think Nunez’s bat is valuable and that he has a higher ceiling than you are giving him credit for. What you have seen is no where near Nunez’s ceiling.

  77. blake November 20th, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    “I am not trading Nunez and another high level prospect for Jurrjens who has is sitting 89 and doesn’t trust his fastball.”

    depending on who the other prospect is….I probably wouldn’t either.

    Lgy,

    Ramon Santiago wouldn’t be a bad option in that situation.

  78. blake November 20th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    YF,

    we value the player differently…..that’s ok. I enjoy your takes.

  79. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Andruw can’t hit righties like Nunez can.

  80. blake November 20th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    why would you play Nunez over Swisher

  81. kd November 20th, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    why don’t we see if we can get Arodys Vizcaino back?

    i realize that it would take more than nunez but how much more?

  82. LGY November 20th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Fem

    When would Nunez be playing RF with a RHP on the mound? And while it was only 217 PAs, Nunez had a .673 OPS against righties last season.

  83. blake November 20th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    “i realize that it would take more than nunez but how much more?”

    Boone Logan ;)

    I’m out guys….good discussion. Have a good night.

  84. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    blake, right back at ya as per discussion. Have a good night!

    LGY, Nunez’s stats are not reflective of his normal hitting. He was in and out of the lineup. He can hit righties.

  85. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    LGY, he is a potential super utility guy whose versatility is useful, depending on our needs.

  86. LGY November 20th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Agree, good discussion. I’m going to bow out though because I really like Nunez and I can’t handle criticizing him anymore :P

  87. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    You *wouldn’t* play Nunez over Swisher; no one said you would. The point is Nunez’s versatility off the bench or on a player’s rest day. If Swish isn’t playing and you want a hitter vs. righties, Nunez gives you another option on a team that doesn’t hit righties as well.

  88. yankeefeminista November 20th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    Look if Nunez becomes a genuine super utility for us he has value. He also has speed, can pinch run and steal bases.

  89. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    Just a sports drive-by to say I am so happy the Eagles are going to win this game. It has nothing to do with the Giants and everything to do with the fact that I had Lesean McCoy on my football fantasy team last season and I think the guy is an incredible player and a real good guy. Also happy for Vince Young. Maybe his bad-news days are over.

    :)

  90. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    Didn’t think I’d miss fantasy football but I really do! Whoda thunk it!

  91. DaSaint007 November 21st, 2011 at 12:17 am

    Enjoy your Thanksgiving Holiday break Chad!

    As GB stated, Wiggington has been traded to the Phillies. Seems like another good move by Ruben. Nunez is younger, more versitile, faster and cheaper than Wiggy, which helps to explain why Cashman values him.

    While I like Pena, he can’t hold a candle to Nunez.

    Anyway folks, I’m signing off. Night all.

  92. Bret The Hitman November 21st, 2011 at 12:27 am

    I think there’s a market for Nunez and we shouldn’t settle for Jurrjens when we need a number 2. I’m not saying Nunez alone is worth a number 2 but he can be included in a package for one. We should aim higher than Jurrjens. As soon as you trade for Jurrjens, you lose a huge piece in Nunez that you’ll never get back. You’re riding an injury-riddled starter who throws 90 MPH in the NL. The Braves are going to have to lower their asking price around the league because Jurrjens velocity is down and he can’t stay on the field. He’s worth more than Nunez alone but Nunez is a commodity. There’s no use squandering a commodity on a risk like Jurrjens.

  93. blake November 21st, 2011 at 7:16 am

    AL MVP

    I hope Granderson wins
    I think Miguel Cabrera should win
    I think Ellsbury or Verlander will win

  94. blake November 21st, 2011 at 7:33 am

    Dan Shaunnessy called the Red Sox a “dufus organization ” in the Boston Globe this weekend I just heard on the radio……..I love it.

  95. Villa Nova-Ya November 21st, 2011 at 7:41 am

    blake -

    Good morning -

    Someone posted an article on here yesterday (m?) from the Globe and one term I thought was pretty funny with reference to the managerial search was “Cirque du so lame”.

    I still think the Red Sox have on-the-field talent, and in that sense I wouldn’t automatically relegate them to the dustbin, but their organization right now is really is disarray. Like they don’t know what hit them.

  96. Baseball Mogul November 21st, 2011 at 7:49 am

    MVP prediction: 1. Verlander 2. Ellsbury 3. Bautista 4. Cabrera 5. Granderson

  97. blake November 21st, 2011 at 7:49 am

    Villa,

    Good morning. I think it was the same one….too funny. I agree that they have talent still…but the question is who is running that show now? Is Cherington a puppet for Lucchino? Apparently Cherington and baseball ops wanted Sveum but ownership said no…..

  98. blake November 21st, 2011 at 7:52 am

    I hope Verlander doesn’t win…..not that I don’t like him but I don’t think he should.

  99. Roger November 21st, 2011 at 7:55 am

    Just reported that Mariners player Greg Halman has been killed by his own brother in the Netherlands…Sad sad news

  100. upstate kate November 21st, 2011 at 7:57 am

    good morning all

    I hope Grandy wins. If not him, then Cabrera or Bautista.

    Bobby V would be an interesting choice ;)

  101. upstate kate November 21st, 2011 at 7:57 am

    that is awful news Roger

  102. Baseball Mogul November 21st, 2011 at 8:00 am

    Its going to be a close vote. I don’t want to see Verlander win either. But I think he’s going to…

  103. upstate kate November 21st, 2011 at 8:09 am

    I have nothing against Verlander, but there are so many deserving position players this year.

    Mogul
    did you go see Montero?

  104. Baseball Mogul November 21st, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Nope. I got stuck at work til 230 and its about an hour drive…

  105. blake November 21st, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Terrible news

  106. blake November 21st, 2011 at 8:22 am

    We’ve heard a focal group of writers that have been championing Verlander……however im betting there are still a bunch of them that don’t feel pitchers should win the award.

  107. Baseball Mogul November 21st, 2011 at 8:28 am

    These are the writers saying “if there is a year a pitcher should win it, then this is the year…”
    There are also “stat people” who can point to his triple crown. Factor in Detroit’s record when someone else pitched, their overall record, and how he did down the stretch and I can see the argument for him winning- he had an “extra-special” year.

    I’m with the group that would say he’s not an everyday player and he’s already won his award…

  108. Baseball Mogul November 21st, 2011 at 8:31 am

    You can make an argument for any of my top four I would say. Ellsbury put up some very unique numbers. Bautista’s on base % and overall numbers (not to mention his arm. I have a man crush on his arm). And Cabrera had a Cabrera season and is the best hitter in the league.

  109. GreenBeret7 November 21st, 2011 at 8:32 am

    If there aren’t any standout position players, a pitcher might be a good choice. The fact is, though, there are at least seven top candidates among position players.

  110. Villa Nova-Ya November 21st, 2011 at 8:35 am

    I agree with GB7 – if there were no “deserving” position players, the award could go to a pitcher who had a standout season. But this season there are several position players who could legitimately win this award.

    Verlander had an outstanding season, but he got the Cy Young hands down. He has been recognized.

    The arguments for him to win it are good ones, except for the fact that those position players deserve recognition with a major award.

  111. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Morning folks.

    Interesting discussion about the possibility of moving Nunez to the Braves.

    If the Yankees were to do such a thing I would hope they would try to expand the deal a bit. Prado would be a good get even thought he does not play SS.

    My opinion is that the Yankees prefer not to move Nunez.

    Cashman always listens though.

    ;)

  112. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 8:48 am

    I would love to see the Grandyman win, but I have a feeling it’ll be Verlander.

    And since it seems to be somewhat of a pattern (excluding Mr. 5th place Girardi) my prediction is that Granderson finishes 4th. ;)

  113. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 8:49 am

    One of the reasons I sometimes find these awards pure BS is who gets to vote for them.

    I know if I were going to get an award I’d want to be recognized by my peers.

    Not by a bunch of people who often have an agenda other than baseball, and may never have even picked up a bat or a glove.

    My 2 cents.

    ;)

  114. blake November 21st, 2011 at 8:51 am

    If Pedro didn’t win it it 99 then Verlander shouldnt. Verlander ‘s year wasn’t close to that. As mentioned…….there are at least 4 good position player candidates……Cabrera should win.

  115. blake November 21st, 2011 at 8:57 am

    SI_JonHeyman 8 mins my choice: 1 verlander 2 granderson 3 ellsbury 4 cabrera 5 bautista 6 agon 7 cano 8 longoria 9 avila 10 beltre 11 young

  116. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 8:58 am

    The Phillies just seem to keep buying up every toy in sight but they still can’t win it all.

    What a hoot.

    Maybe that philosophy just doesn’t work long term.

    A certain team I am very fond of used to do the same thing, and it frequently didn’t pan out for them either.

    A farm is a terrible thing to waste.

    ;)

  117. upstate kate November 21st, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Paps should be a good pick up for them. Not sure how much Thome brings when there is no DH. Not sure about Wiggington either.

  118. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Blake-

    By the way, before you put that Turkey the fryer, be sure to inject it with some Cajun spices.

    Um. Um. Good.

    P.S. Be sure to invite me over

    :)

  119. blake November 21st, 2011 at 9:07 am

    MTU,

    Oh yea…..I do that and also a cajun rub……its gooood.

  120. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Kate-

    Good morning.

    I like our current philosophy better.

    Strategic aquisitions with pieces we can afford to lose, and development from within to fill the rest.

    I particularly like the renewed interest in Pitching.

  121. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 9:09 am

    CC Break (he’s in my neck of the woods today, which is very exciting) ;)

    http://triblocal.com/tinley-pa.....ew-nov-21/

  122. Baseball Mogul November 21st, 2011 at 9:09 am

    I don’t think Verlander should win it- I just think he’s going to. I’d vote Bautista. He put up those numbers with NOBODY hitting behind him. All the others had better lineups. Take him out of Toronto’s and see where they are. While he may have walked some because nobody was behind him, he also walked some because if you throw him a mistake (especially the fastball) he mashes it.

  123. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Blake-

    Somehow I believe you.

    A little Jack to wash it down and we’re all set.

    :)

  124. blake November 21st, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Papelbon is a lateral move for the Phillies for me…..Madson was just as good as him last year. Now had they added Papelbon to Madson…..then that’s an upgrade to their pen.

    As it stands though I don’t see the Phils having addressed their biggest flaw……which is their aging lineup. The Mets scored more runs than the Phils last year

  125. blake November 21st, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Batista fell off pretty significantly in the 2nd half. I think either Ellsbury or Cabrera should win…..had Grandy not struggled in September then I think he may have won…..

  126. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Blake-

    Greatest rotation in the history of Mankind and they still were eliminated in the 1st round.

    Like I said. Too funny.

    It would be so much easier for Ruben if only a great team was what he could buy and then put down on paper.

    :)

  127. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 9:17 am

    And what about the Sux.

    They were annonited before a single game was played.

    How’d that work out ?

    Beer and chicken bones is what they got.

    Hillarious.

    :)

  128. blake November 21st, 2011 at 9:18 am

    The Pence trade was the best move Amaro has made recently…….because it actually addressed a need and he didn’t give up much (of course the Astros being the Phils farm team helps there).

  129. upstate kate November 21st, 2011 at 9:19 am

    MTU
    I like the current philosophy better too. I like seeing our young guys given a chance.

  130. LGY November 21st, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Miggy should win.

  131. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Blake-

    I like the way we are doing things better.

    It’s taken a while to build up a quality farm system.

    We should use it wisely.

    ;)

  132. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Kate-

    Cashman has said it.

    “Younger, faster, and more athletic”.

    He should also have included more “homegrown” wherever possible because he’s doing that too.

    :)

  133. blake November 21st, 2011 at 9:25 am

    MTU,

    I love now they are running things now…..

  134. blake November 21st, 2011 at 9:26 am

    I agree that Cabrera should probably win……he’s been the least talked about candidate from what I can tell though…..

  135. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Blake-

    Same here.

    One area that could use improvement as has been pointed out is in the Minor league coaching dep’t.

    They need more of it with the highest quality.

    And a more consistent development approach with measurable parameters of success.

    No one should graduate to the ML’s w/o having all or most of the fundamentals down pat.

  136. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 9:32 am

    teixeiramark25 Bobby Valentine, Boston Red Sox will meet Monday, source says – ESPN Boston http://fb.me/LUIWrYif

    teixeiramark25 If Bobby V gets the job, you think he will still let me hit at his batting cage in the winter?

  137. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Like.

    Why the heck can’t you lay down a bunt, know how to run the bases properly, have good footwork, etc.

    Work a count, hit situationally.

    Why not teach all that at the Milb level ?

    Start it early. Form good habits.

  138. Baseball Mogul November 21st, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Bautista’s WAR and ability to play multiple positions helps him too. I think Elsbury finishes second despite their collapse *snickers* and splitting some votes with Agon. He put up some historically unique numbers. I think Cabrera gets hurt by Verlander. If Granderson hits 280 he had a better shot, I think.

    Regardless, it’s going to be close and interesting to see how hit shakes out. I don’t want to see Verlander or Elsbury win it, but I think they’ll finish 1-2.

    Gotta run.

  139. blake November 21st, 2011 at 9:46 am

    MTU,

    The Yanks should sink their money into having the very best scouts and instructors possible……..because the financial advantage they have otherwise is becoming more and more marginalized.

  140. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Blake-

    It only makes sense that if you are gonna draft the very best players that you train them properly.

    More prep at the MiLB would enhance the OJT of the Majors.

    I hope the right mix of patience and win-now is found.

  141. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Erin-

    I hope the Sux hire Valentine.

    ;)

  142. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Who’s gonna run the blog while Chad is away ?

    Brian, Josh, or Vince ?

    A combo ?

  143. blake November 21st, 2011 at 10:00 am

    I think Bobby V may have some conflicts with the power struggle in Boston…..if he takes the job then I would assume he would wantsome say in what goes on and now that Theo is gone its tough to know who is really making the baseball decisions there.. how much power does Cherington have?

  144. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 10:00 am

    I say we bring back Sam for a cameo appearance.

  145. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Blake-

    Lucky Lucchino and “Henry the wallet” make the decisions around there IMO.

  146. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 10:02 am

    MTU-it’d be amusing, that’s for sure

    Chad said above that there will be “familiar names” so I imagine it’ll be a combo.

  147. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Erin-

    I want Sam back. He was good.

    Joe Posnanski would work too.

    Or maybe Bob Costas.

    :)

  148. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 10:08 am

    MTU-I miss Sam too :(

  149. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Erin-

    On the other hand I do not miss PA.

    :)

  150. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Erin-

    How about we let a Muppet run things for a while.

    ;)

  151. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 10:14 am

    MTU November 21st, 2011 at 10:11 am
    Erin-

    How about we let a Muppet run things for a while.

    *******************

    Oooh…I like this idea very much. It is the week of the Muppets afterall. :)

  152. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Erin-

    Wild guess on my part.

    ;)

  153. blake November 21st, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Buster_ESPN 34 mins Reds are talking about possible Andrew Bailey deal.

  154. Bret The Hitman November 21st, 2011 at 10:31 am

    For those of you keeping score at home, teams have been asking about Yankees players in trades and we’re finding out about it. Cashman has even mentioned some names out loud himself.

    Leaked names:

    Jesus Montero
    Eduardo Nunez
    Nick Swisher
    Hector Noesi
    Austin Romine

  155. upstate kate November 21st, 2011 at 10:37 am

    what? no one wants AJ?

  156. blake November 21st, 2011 at 10:37 am

    If Kenny Williams demands Romine and Noesi for Danks …….who says yes? I say no and that’s coming from a big Danks advocate.

  157. blake November 21st, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Cashman said teams have asked about AJ

  158. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Loving Cerv with the scarf. ;)

    fran_cervelli Great pic! RT @HaveronHealth Thanks @Fran_Cervelli & @CC_Sabathia. Team MVP, taking over @PlayStation @MLB 12 The Show http://t.co/DhaB5vYH

  159. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Joba_62 Another member of the MLB family gone to soon, Greg Halman. Thoughts and prayers!

  160. blake November 21st, 2011 at 11:02 am

    SI_JonHeyman 10 mins It’s nice that swisher smiles for camera. But fairer offer for 25-yr-old star jurrjens would be nunez, gardner and romine

    Now that’s a lot to give…..no thanks

  161. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 11:04 am

    JackCurryYES As long as there’s no 11th hour snag, look for CBA

  162. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 11:06 am

    remainder of Curry’s tweet:

    look for press conf on CBA deal to take place on Tues afternoon

  163. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Blake-

    I only consider that for a non-rental situation.

  164. blake November 21st, 2011 at 11:18 am

    MTU,

    Even then that’s still kinda steep…..you’d have to replace Gardner.

  165. Mike Ri November 21st, 2011 at 11:22 am

    But fairer offer for 25-yr-old star jurrjens would be nunez, gardner and romine
    —-
    no way

  166. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 11:26 am

    CC_Sabathia Heading to Andrew High School in Tinley Park with @AmberSabathia to meet over 700 student Athletes.

  167. upstate kate November 21st, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Erin
    will you be sneaking out to see CC?

  168. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2011 at 11:35 am

    I sometimes consider the numbers crunching over at Yahoo when it comes to Fantasy Stuff, but that place is NOT where you wanna go for Reliable sports info. I’m glad the writers over there gotta job, but that place specializes in grab-ass journalism. Rumor rules the day, and actual source validated information is seldom used. As to what Darvish is gonna do, Yahoo actually Knows NO more than you or I.

  169. yanks61 November 21st, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Obviously I’m new and clumsy at this sort of thing, however, for the little it’s worth, here are my thoughts:

    - If so many people are concerned about moving Nunez (in a fair trade, not frivolously of course), shouldn’t we be equally, if not more, concerned about moving Gardner. After all, with Gardy gone if Grandy goes down for any length of time, who do the Yanks replace him with? Would a Golson or Dickerson be that much better an alternative than Pena for Jeter? I don’t know, just asking? Right now you could slide Gardy over and throw Jones in LF/RF.

    - There may be a mega deal in the making right now that will blow us all out of the water, but my guess is that the Yanks will hold onto to Nunez, Grandy and Swish and try to use Noesi (regretably), Romine and excess mL pitching for that upgrade.

    - I don’t believe they move Grandy, but if they do, I agree with others that it would only be for a good young arm that’s clearly a number two, border line number one, that doesn’t have injury concerns and probably comes from the AL. It’s an intriguing idea in some respects, however, because they could move Gardy to CF and pick up a Beltran for RF and move Swish to LF (though I would then think that Gardy’s wheels will need rotating before half the season was out!) But if Elston Howard, Berra and Norm Sieburn can play LF in Yankee Stadium 1, then I don’t see why Swish couldn’t in YS III. In that scenerio, of course, they would have to hope that Montero and Beltran make up for the OF loss of Grandy.

    But then, too, the Yanks could have a rotation of CC, Cain (or similiar), Nova, Hughes and AJ with the hope of picking up a real LF/RF in 2013 or soon thereafter. And that rotation becomes even more interesting when backing up a CC/Cain duo, you add a Banelos (SP?) to the Nova/Hughes mix and dump AJ.

  170. tucker November 21st, 2011 at 11:39 am

    I’d do the White Sox deal before Heyman’s Braves proposal. Danks has proven stuff that is diminishing. No idea about Ji’s declining velocity. Plus, I like Nunez. He may never be a high OBP guy, but he can hit. His slashing swing keeps the head of the bat in the strike zone for a long time. He hits the ball hard, which translates to a lot of doubles and triples with his speed. Also, he is every bit the base stealer that Gardner is.

  171. tucker November 21st, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Correction: Danks stuff is NOT diminishing. Jurjjens velocity drop is troubling.

  172. yanks61 November 21st, 2011 at 11:43 am

    “SI_JonHeyman 10 mins It’s nice that swisher smiles for camera. But fairer offer for 25-yr-old star jurrjens would be nunez, gardner and romine

    Now that’s a lot to give…..no thanks”

    ———————————————————————–

    Oh wow, and then you’d have the chance to possibly see a Pena and a Golson/Dickerson in the lineup at the same time! If Arod/Tex hit like they’re suppose to, along with everyone else, I think you could deal with one of them in the lineup in an emergency. I’m not sure how much we’d like both out there there together for any length of time

  173. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 11:44 am

    kate-sadly no. Stuck at work.

    But I can’t complain too much, seeing as I have a 2 day work week. ;)

  174. blake November 21st, 2011 at 11:48 am

    “I’d do the White Sox deal before Heyman’s Braves proposal. ”

    Kenny Williams is typically easier to deal with and you know more what you’re going to get with Danks I think. You get 2 years with JJ but it sounds like Wren is shopping him for a big return to me.

  175. blake November 21st, 2011 at 11:49 am

    I think Jair’s velo drop was due to his knee more than the arm……

  176. yanks61 November 21st, 2011 at 11:52 am

    In case this hasn’t been posted here yet.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....e-1.980705

    I’d be curious to know Tricia’s thoughts. Are you out there, Tricia?

  177. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Since it’s kind of a slow morning on the LoHud, a little Monday morning levity:

    someecards A Thanksgiving seating chart for families as dysfunctional as yours. http://t.co/LYb4W1GV

  178. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2011 at 11:59 am

    -Yanks61-
    Glad you found your way over here. Forget the trades, and just go after Darvish. Blake is right when he says you know what your gonna get outta Danks. YUCK. I wouldn’t even trade Nunez straight-up for Jarr-Jarr. Staying away from any Jar-Jar Danks deals, hanging onto what you already have, And adding Darvish, is the way to go.

  179. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    KathyJacobsonPR http://t.co/nbds3YEB – @AmberSabathia, @CC_Sabathia and Stedman Graham in Chicago!

  180. Villa Nova-Ya November 21st, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Erin -

    Very hysterical seating chart!

  181. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Villa Nova-glad you liked it

    Couldn’t resist passing that one along ;)

  182. yanks61 November 21st, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Thanks DONNYBROOK. I’m more limited than most in posting, as I live in France and I’m usually far behind discussions and events! However this is a great blog. I usually wind up reading and catching up while most of you folks, if not all, are still asleep.

    Yes, I agree with you about Darvish. I hate the posting process, but I think the Yanks should be all in on it if he does post. I’m not usually a riverboat gambler, but heck it’s not my money and the Yanks have plenty of it for them to take a chance rolling the dice.

    I grew up in the 50′s/60′s and enjoyed the many deals the Yanks made in those days (often with their KC cousins), but these are very different times. As many keep pointing out, the Yanks monetary advantages are being eaten away by changes that seemed to be directed at them and other big revenue teams. So, yeah, let’s use the money in other ways. Darvish is one example.

    I also agree wholeheartedly, that it’s foolish to not have top people in coaching positions all over the mL. It’s another way for the Yanks to use their dollar advatage.

  183. blake November 21st, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    “Blake is right when he says you know what your gonna get outta Danks. YUCK”

    Factually incorrect statement.

  184. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    -Yanks61-
    People post here 24\7 and Not the rabid stuff Fish was throwing around. Good hearing your level-headed-experienced views once again. An American In Paris? Sounds like a movie.Gene Kelly where are you?

  185. blake November 21st, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Folks need to consider the ramifications of what adding 15 million per year for Darvish would be if he comes over and flops…….

  186. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    DKnobler John Henry told @bradfo that Red Sox will have “consensus” for mgr. Maybe they need Bud’s help. He always gets 30-0 consensus.

  187. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Oh great. Now I got the Blog Cop on my Butt.

  188. tucker November 21st, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    JJ had a decent half of one season like Phil Hughes. Otherwise, he’s been inconsistent. He certainly can be a good starter, the question is whether he finds that consistency.

    I think the Yanks could be fine if they resigned Freddy Garcia. I expect Phil Hughes to be in shape and deliver a better season. It’s really time for him to step up. CC, Nova, AJ and a strong pen — with Noesi and Phelps ready if necessary — may be enough to get it done to start the season.. Watching
    the team last year, the bigger issue seemed to be
    long stretches of offensive inconsistency, with Tex’s
    slumping ways and ARod’s injuries … Overall, offense is becoming more important because scoring is down in MLB. Mediocre pitching can be enough if you have the offense to compensate. The Cards, Rangers and Brewers all thrived with mediocre pitching and great offense.

  189. comet November 21st, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Hi Erin, UpState Kate, and ericns1

  190. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    The ramifications are Hal loses $15 Mill, (No big deal to him), and Darvish “Possibly” bumps someone off the 40 Man .Not that complicated.

  191. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Hi Comet! :)

  192. m November 21st, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Nunez, Gardner, AND Romine?

    Swisher is a better player than any of those guys, yet Heyman just had to make a crack. Such an a-h.

  193. blake November 21st, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    There are no blog cops…..but if you post something be prepared to defend your statement especially if you mention someone by name in referencing it.

  194. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Mediocre pitching\Great hitting Can survive a short series in the Playoffs. Over the course of 162, NO WAY.

  195. Gary November 21st, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    blake November 21st, 2011 at 12:19 pm
    Folks need to consider the ramifications of what adding 15 million per year for Darvish would be if he comes over and flops…….

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    As they also consider if he comes over and it still costs the $15M pitches to his current stats :-)

    I guess what I’m saying is there is never a guarantee on any of these things. The glass is either half empty or half full. If someone is looking for the sure thing they sure aren’t going to find it when it comes to sports performance. Expectations and risk/reward are always high. No one has the crystal ball.

  196. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    FakePeteGammons Bobby V would make an excellent manager…of an Arby’s. This is Peter Gammons.

  197. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Danks gave up MORE hits than IP. I have NO interest in SP’s that do that whether they are in the AL or NL. And no, I don’t know how fast I was going.

  198. blake November 21st, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    “The ramifications are Hal loses $15 Mill, (No big deal to him”

    Except they have shown that they aren’t willing to absorb that kind of money without it limiting their spending elsewhere (see. Burnett, AJ)

  199. blake November 21st, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Gary,

    I hope they bid on Darvish …..but its not my money and its a fairly big risk.

  200. yanks61 November 21st, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    DONNYBROOK – I can’t dance worth a lick, never mind pulling off that stuff that Kelly did (in or OUT of the rain.)

    Not in Paris now, though I lived there for years. I had a much less exciting career than Gene too (and I did meet him once in Nice many years ago after the Cannes film festival – terrific guy!) working as the regional sales manager Europe for a U.S. firm.

    ——————————————————————————–

    blake November 21st, 2011 at 12:19 pm
    Folks need to consider the ramifications of what adding 15 million per year for Darvish would be if he comes over and flops…….

    You’re absolutely right, Blake – and none of us know just how much that would affect the Yanks in their other plans. I guess if they do go ahead and make a significant bid, it will be because they don’t believe it will affect other aspects of their operation. I can’t believe that they would jeopardize their organization with that kind of gamble unless they were willing to lose on that bet and still continue to do business as usual. That is, indeed, a very legitimate question.

  201. blake November 21st, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    “Danks gave up MORE hits than IP.”

    One stat from one season….

  202. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    FakePeteGammons No truth to rumor #Redsox settling on 20lb turkey for Theo compensation from #Cubs. They’re only getting the gizzard. This is Peter Gammons.

    FakePeteGammons #Redsox really need to make a big splash. Dropping Lackey, Becket & Lucchino into hot oil would do the trick! This is Peter Gammons.

  203. Gary November 21st, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    blake November 21st, 2011 at 12:31 pm
    Gary,

    I hope they bid on Darvish …..but its not my money and its a fairly big risk.
    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I guess to me it’s spending the Posada money + the posting fee. I’d rather see them take a chance with the money on a kid at 28 if they think he has potential, then maybe throw less money around at some of these other stopgaps.

  204. upstate kate November 21st, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Hi Comet!!!

    Erin
    love the seating chart, and the other links off that site :)

    good to see FakePeterGammons is still around

  205. blake November 21st, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Gary,

    Its fine with me if they sign him…..I like what I’ve read and seen online. …..but until he actually gets here and we see how he handled big league hitters, the big league strike zone, the ball, the schedule …..etc…..we just don’t know what he is for sure.

  206. Gary November 21st, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    yanks61 November 21st, 2011 at 12:33 pm
    DONNYBROOK – I can’t dance worth a lick, never mind pulling off that stuff that Kelly did (in or OUT of the rain.)

    Not in Paris now, though I lived there for years. I had a much less exciting career than Gene too (and I did meet him once in Nice many years ago after the Cannes film festival – terrific guy!) working as the regional sales manager Europe for a U.S. firm.

    ——————————————————————————–

    blake November 21st, 2011 at 12:19 pm
    Folks need to consider the ramifications of what adding 15 million per year for Darvish would be if he comes over and flops…….

    You’re absolutely right, Blake – and none of us know just how much that would affect the Yanks in their other plans. I guess if they do go ahead and make a significant bid, it will be because they don’t believe it will affect other aspects of their operation. I can’t believe that they would jeopardize their organization with that kind of gamble unless they were willing to lose on that bet and still continue to do business as usual. That is, indeed, a very legitimate question.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I’ll offer you a slightly different opinion. They will make a significant bid on this kid if the excellent baseball people in the organization believe in his potential and they access the impact of his contributions will meet the team goals. Obviously the bid would be made in concert with what is affordable money wise.

    I don’t believe they plan based on the negative senario.

  207. blake November 21st, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Its hard to tell the difference in fake and real P. Gammons. ;)

  208. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    The Pachinko Kid is supposedly 25. Put him with Nova and Hughes, and the Yanks gotta very good, young, core group anchoring the SP going forward.

  209. Gary November 21st, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    blake November 21st, 2011 at 12:41 pm
    Gary,

    Its fine with me if they sign him…..I like what I’ve read and seen online. …..but until he actually gets here and we see how he handled big league hitters, the big league strike zone, the ball, the schedule …..etc…..we just don’t know what he is for sure.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    True, there is always risk. I hired many young people in my past career, they all had excellent resumes and accomplishments coming out of the finest schools in North America, but you never knew until they were on the job. The vast majority worked out fine.

    Something can be taken away from the way a successful venture capitalist works, they plan for about a 70% success rate. Your never going to get them all right, he could be a boom, he could be a bust. Risk taking is always interesting.

  210. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Cashman comments\tone regarding Darvish made it sound like he was in favor of bidding, but needed to convince Hal to pony up more $$$. This would make me believe the Yankee scouts had thumbs upped Darvish, and that Cashman and Hal had already discussed the player and a rough $$$ number to bid. Cashman must feel that $$$ bid will fall short, and that Hal needs to up the ante. It ALL comes down to Hal at this point. Everybody else that matters in the Yankee organization seems to be all-in on Darvish.

  211. tucker November 21st, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Several teams have survived 162 games w/ a good-not-great starting staff. Starting with the Yanks last year. If you took the 2011 Yanks starting staff and matched them against AL offenses from 1998 to 2004, there is no way that staff would survive. But the Yanks thrived last year with the likes of Colon and Freddy Garcia. Those veteran pitchers did well, but they also pitched against a league that scored less overall than just a few years ago. That is why I think investing too much in starting pitching during
    the current offense-starved era is a flawed approach.
    How is it working for the Phils?

  212. blake November 21st, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    “Something can be taken away from the way a successful venture capitalist works, they plan for about a 70% success rate.”

    What’s the longterm success rate for Japanese pitchers in the big leagues though? I know this kid is supposed to be different ……but its something you have to consider……especially when you’ve already been burned twice.

    If I were Cashman…..I would talk to Hal about the potential fallout if it doesn’t work out…..how much will it limit the club if it becomes sunk cost etc…..if Hal is willing to absorb all or at least most of that risk with his wallet……then that would be nice to know.

  213. blake November 21st, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    “That is why I think investing too much in starting pitching during the current offense-starved era is a flawed approach.”

    Good point.

  214. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Blake-

    Just a quick drive by.

    When I said earlier I would do that deal for a non-rental only I was not talking about JJ.

    I was referring to Romine and Noesi for Danks as a non-rental.

    Sorry I did not make that clear.

    Later.

  215. blake November 21st, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    MTU,

    Oh gotcha ;)

  216. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    -Tucker-
    Your original comment said surviving “mediocre” pitching. NOT “good”. Mediocre pitching will
    Not hack it over 162, especially in the AL East.
    -MTU-
    Better back off the gas on that drive by.

  217. yanks61 November 21st, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    You guys have my head spinning. Blake, Donnybrook, Tucker, Gary (hope I didn’t miss anyone), this is what a great baseball discuss (sans the likes of WCYF) should be all about. Good, solid arguments all the way around and no pontificating attitudes.

    Keep at it folks!

  218. Baseball Mogul November 21st, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    Happy 91st birthday today to Stan Musial. Arguably the greatest living hitter- baseball legend, & St. Louis icon.

    My father in law, who passed away lat week, loved to tell me about meeting his favorite player ‘The Man’ on two different occasions. Said he was one of the nicest guys (not just ballplayers) he’d ever met.

  219. blake November 21st, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Stan the man is the man.

  220. charlestonchew November 21st, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    I expect Robbie Cano to get some votes for MVP.

    It’s hard to argue against Miguel Cabrera, but I really do think that Granderson should get it because of the position he plays and the fact that his team met the playoffs and defied expectations, largely because of him. Ellsbury performed well, but his team had an epic collapse that left Boston fans stunned and unleashed chaos on the front office.

  221. charlestonchew November 21st, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Of course, Bautista will probably get it on a team that was a non-contender.

  222. tucker November 21st, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Blake, my big worry is Cash letting go of Montero for a pitcher. Can’t do that with the uncertainty of ARod and inconsistency of Tex and Swish.

  223. blake November 21st, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    “Blake, my big worry is Cash letting go of Montero for a pitcher. Can’t do that with the uncertainty of ARod and inconsistency of Tex and Swish.”

    I can’t imagine he would unless somebody a lot better than those being rumored shook loose. ……personally Im not sure I would trade him for any pitcher…….but if he does then it better be a true #1 with multiple years of control left on their contract……there are what a handful of those even in existence

  224. austinmac November 21st, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Blake,

    I would do Noesi and Romine for Danks. I think it would take at least that as their will be lots of competition.

  225. blake November 21st, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    “I would do Noesi and Romine for Danks. I think it would take at least that as their will be lots of competition.”

    This would be a tough one for me…..really like Noesi……5 years of him for 1 of Danks I don’t like. I think id need an extension with Danks to do it. I agree with you though that something like that is probably what it’ll take due to competition from other teams…

  226. EA November 21st, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    I’d rather trade Nova or Hughes than Noesi, personally.

    I think Noesi could be as good as Danks at least once he matures, from the right side though

  227. Mike Ri November 21st, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    The Yankees are scouring the market for a starting pitcher so when Jair Jurrjens hit the trading block it seemed natural that they would be interested. However, according to Wallace Matthews of ESPN New York, the Yankees are concerned that Jurrjens may have a serious knee injury.

    The Yankees are being smart by taking his knee injury seriously. It started back in 2010 when he needed surgery to repair a torn meniscus, but unlike when CC Sabathia had the surgery, the pain didn’t go away. It carried over into 2011 and it caused a significant drop in his velocity.

  228. upstate kate November 21st, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    There are many good candidates for MVP this year.
    If I had a vote for MVP of course being a Yankee fan, it would be Grandy. His only negative was his Ks. He really stepped up when Arod was out and Tex was struggling.
    Bautista also did a wonderful job, especially when you consider he had no protection. The Jays didn’t make the play offs, but they did finish w/ a .500 average, pretty amazing in the AL east.
    Ellsbury played well right up until the end, he was a bright spot in the red sox collapse.
    Miggy and Robbie also had good seasons, and deserve consideration.

  229. Mike Ri November 21st, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Email Print Comments5 By Wallace MatthewsA story this weekend suggesting a possible deal between the Yankees and Atlanta Braves that would ship Eduardo Nunez off for right-hander Jair Jurrjens caused a bit of a stir, but two team sources shot it out of the sky.

    First was GM Brian Cashman texting me, “Don’t waste your breath,” when I asked about the deal, and then came another source, who insisted upon anonymity, and said, “Number one, we’re not trading Nunez, and number two, there’s concerns that Jurrjens has a serious knee injury.”

    Jurrjens went 13-6 with a 2.96 ERA for the Braves in 2011 but went on the DL in August after experiencing pain in his surgically repaired right knee, operated on for a meniscus tear the previous October.

  230. m November 21st, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_.....win-al-mvp

    The “expert” picks for MVP.

  231. Irreverent Discourse November 21st, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    we can go look at the preseason world series predictions to get a feel for the accuracy of ESPN’s “experts”. :)

  232. Mike Ri November 21st, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Verlander wins MVP.

  233. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank November 21st, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Verlander mvp

  234. blake November 21st, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Verlander wins…..somebody should call and explain this to Pedro.

  235. blake November 21st, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    The writers are dumb.

  236. Irreverent Discourse November 21st, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Verlander winning the MVP is embarrassing for baseball. The writers take one step forward (king felix last year), and then take 3 steps back. Pedro turned in 2 of the 3 greatest single season performances by a pitcher, and he got totally snubbed for MVP.

  237. charlestonchew November 21st, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    what.
    a.
    load.
    of.
    horse.
    sht.

  238. blake November 21st, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    Who was the MVP in the 130 games that Verlander sat in the bullpen and watched?

  239. tucker November 21st, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    I would go with Bautista as MVP. Grandy was the leading MVP candidate in early August, but he cooled off too much. Cano should finish in the top 5, but I imagine Verlander, Ellsbury and Cabrera get a lot of votes. Adrian Gonzales, as past years have proven, disappeared the last six weeks of the season. He should not finish Top 5.

  240. syd_cash November 21st, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    boo for Verlander being named MVP. Lame. I’d rather that Bautista was the MVP then Verlander (hate the pitcher MVP deal).

  241. syd_cash November 21st, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    How did all the Yankees players get screwed in all the awards….ridiculous.

  242. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    The Grandyman finished 4th? Very fitting with the pattern. ;)

  243. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    BloggingBombers Yankees listed on MVP ballots: Granderson, Cano, Sabathia, Teixeira, Robertson. Yes, @DRob30 got 10th place vote – and no, I didn’t vote.

  244. Phranchise November 21st, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    The whole Yankees bias is getting absurd. Regular season Giraridi fifth? Regardless of playoff loss. Best record, Garcia and Colon in the rotation, guys getting hurt, etc. I don’t care about payroll. The Sox collapsed and missed the playoffs with payroll spent so it ain’t all about the money. Not winning is one thing, but where these guys are finishing is just silly.

  245. tomingeorgia November 21st, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Nobody working today at the Journal News?

  246. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Phranchise-agreed

  247. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    tom-I think they forgot about us. ;)

  248. m November 21st, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    Bogus. Verlander had a great year, but he was NOT the MVP. I feel kinda bad for Joey Bats & the Elf. K. Not really, but I could have lived with Bautista as the MVP.

    Granderson finished 4th, is actually a 3rd place finish.

    Granderson, 2011 MVP- 4th place finish*

  249. 108 stitches November 21st, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    You have to wonder how much longer Verlander can thrive under the innings workload he’s had in his career.
    Either he has a bionic arm or he’s a throwback to the days of when many pitchers consistently threw many innings before the days of specialization with holds and saves.

  250. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    m-the Elf? As MVP???? Pass me some of whatever you’re drinking. :P

  251. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    It’s gotten to the point where the scribes that value everyday offense split their vote, and the scribes that value SP vote inna block and win the day for their candidate. Unless 1 offensive player has a season that is head-and-shoulders better than his offensive peers, this is what is gonna happen. If scribes are gonna continue going this route, the CY Young Award should be abolished.

  252. UnKnown November 21st, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Someone left JV off the ballot. That is why you can’t trust that anyone will ever get 100% of a vote for the HOF.

  253. m November 21st, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Pete’s explanation:

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b....._my_m.html

  254. m November 21st, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    Sorry, I call him Elfberries. I did mean Jacoby. Forgot they had a whole hobbit habit over there!

  255. Phranchise November 21st, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    It’s really ashame that Jeter missed it the one year. He will end with all the rings and no regular season mvps.

    At least A Gone didn’t sniff anywhere near the top five I think. One of the most overated seasons I have ever seen. He did nothing agianst the Yankees. Was small in big spots. I mean how many people bought into the hype that was him? He was only marginally better than Beltre had the year before with the Sox .321 BA 29 homers 102 rbis with 82 ks. A Gone .338 27 homers 117 rbis. And Beltre is as good of a 3B as A Gone is at 1B.

  256. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Oh, my bad m.

    I was going to say, was he even anywhere near the discussion? LOL

  257. Irreverent Discourse November 21st, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    I won’t sit here and be upset that a Yankee didn’t win the award, I don’t think any of them deserved it… but Ellsbury and Bautista were hands down the best players in the AL this year.

  258. disco stu November 21st, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    I have no problems with Verlander winning the AL MVP … he was dominant in much the same way that Roger Clemens was dominant when he won both Cy Young and MVP in 1986 for Boston.

    This whole notion that a pitcher should not be considered for the MVP is a little unfair … personally, I think the most valuable player in all of baseball for the past 15 years has been Mariano Rivera and he has never sniffed an MVP award (let alone a Cy Young).

    And there have been past years where a pitcher should have won and did not … Pedro in ’99, Guidry in ’78, and the most ridiculous of all, Seaver in ’69 – he lost the vote to Willie McCovey who played on a San Francisco Giant team that didnt even come close to making the playoffs … and Seaver carried the Miracle Mets to the WS.

    So if there are years like this one where the pitcher gets his due, I have no complaints with it.

  259. Irreverent Discourse November 21st, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Willie McCovey who played on a San Francisco Giant team that didnt even come close to making the playoffs

    This mentality is exactly why Verlander won, or more specifically why Ellsbury and Bautista lost… because the rest of their team wasn’t good enough to make the playoffs…

    Isn’t that contradictory to the purpose of the reward? If you were statistically as great as the best players in the league, yet you play for a terrible team… doesn’t that make you more “valuable” than a similar player on a good team?

    Stupid writers.

  260. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    To me, MVP means the BEST player in the league. It’s pretty tough for a player to be the Best player in the League, when he only participates in 34 games out of 162.

  261. m November 21st, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    This is what the ballot says:

    There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier.

    The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931:

    1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.

    2. Number of games played.

    3. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort.

    4. Former winners are eligible.

    5. Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.

    Keep in mind that all players are eligible for MVP, including pitchers and designated hitters.

  262. Phranchise November 21st, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    I mean this is always debated. MVP doesn’t have to be the “best player”. One of my main issues with this is if you are on a nothing team, not making the playoffs, you do not play under the pressure, you probably are more conscious of your own numbers more than anything else, your approach is completely different than simply doing every little thing in key situations to win. I believe if there was a year to win it for a pitcher, Verlander certainly deserved it. Without him they simply don’t make the playoffs and he seperated himself as the best pitcher, but you can make that arguement for CC as well, his nnumbers simply aren’t there. The Cy Young though is always for best pitcher. I think they should give a best pitcher, best hitter and then MVP which may encompass many metrics and allow for either a pitcher or hitter to win the top spot while also acknolweding the hitter. Not like an offensive player can win the Cy Young. And hard to argue that a guy that plays every day isn’t more valuable to help a team win offensively and defensivley every game than every five.

  263. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Gossip Tweet (Erin Robertson aka Mrs. D-Rob)

    ERob3 I’m in the woods, helping clear a path with a bush axe. Bet you won’t see that on “baseball wives” lol

  264. upstate kate November 21st, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    there already is a”best hitter” award…the Hank Aaron award.

  265. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    OldHossRadbourn I hope J. Verlander can build on the momentum of winning the MVP and snag the H. Aaron award as well.

  266. m November 21st, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Yes, Verlander won a lot of games (25?) and helped them get into the playoffs, but he doesn’t win without Cabrera and a host of other players.

    Cabrera, or any position player really, does what he does on both sides of the ball regardless of who is pitching that day.

  267. GreenBeret7 November 21st, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    I see that Bret’s trying to trade Montero away again for 2nd or 3rd line pitchers. He’s not going anywhere short of Kershaw. NYYs also aren’t trading away outfielders since they only have three. It makes no sense to trade one away and have to sign one that’s no better than what they have for more years and more money. Romine may be gone in a trade, but, Nova, Noesi or Nunez won’t be going with him. If it’s Danks, Phelps or Mitchell might go…or even warren…but, that’s it. Chicago doesn’t need infielders and if they need an outfielder, they need one with power.

  268. pkyankfan69 November 21st, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    2 Bad the Yanks don’t need bullpen help:

    According to CBS Sports’ Danny Knobler, the A’s are “very willing” to trade closer Andrew Bailey.
    The Reds have already expressed legitimate interest and other teams are likely to join the fray. Bailey doesn’t turn 28 years old until next May and he’s under team control for at least the next three seasons. He posted a 3.24 ERA and 1.10 WHIP in 41 1/3 innings this past year for the money-starved A’s. They’ll want young, cost-controlled hitters in a return package for the talented right-hander.

  269. m November 21st, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    From Pete’s post:

    Toughest omissions: Adrian Gonzalez (Red Sox) and CC Sabathia (Yankees). In my mind, devoting 30 percent of the ballot to players from a team that finished in third place and suffered a historic September collapse didn’t make any sense. Sabathia was tremendous and actually had a higher WAR and lower FIP than Verlander. But I felt Cano and Granderson were more valuable to the Yankees.

  270. NJ Pete November 21st, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    m, how about no. 1?

    1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.

    Can anyone explain how a pitcher offensive or defensive strength? guess you can make an argument for a pitcher’s contribution to defense but offense?

  271. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    JackCurryYES Verlander called winning the MVP “pure elation.” Since call came 15 mins later than AL Cy Young call, Verlander was doubting that he’d win.

    DKnobler Verlander said he already called Alex Avila and Miguel Cabrera to thank them for their help

  272. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    DKnobler MLB makes it official. CBA announcement is tomorrow

  273. Phranchise November 21st, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Pete’s absurd. A Gone should have never been included. Cano was theoretically more important is just silly. Cano was Cano. Granderson had a special season. I am surprised he didn’t say he left out Pedrioa since he thinks Cano and him are a wash as far as how good they are. He has Zorbrist like 5th or something? Longoria was out all that time and still carried them. August on Longoria had 17 homers and 46 rbis in 203 at bats. That is just ridiculous and the main reason they made the playoffs.

  274. m November 21st, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    NJ Pete,

    Good point.

    The offense part would work if the AL didn’t have a DH. But yeah…let’s give it to a pitcher. I can see putting a guy on your ballot because you felt he deserved recognition. But putting him in your top 2 or 3, which apparently enough voters did is another thing.

  275. Phranchise November 21st, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Also when voting how can you have 3 Red Sox in the MVP top ten voting for the whole league and still make a case one deserves to win? All from the same team and they miss the playoffs. I mean come on.=

  276. Irreverent Discourse November 21st, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    phranchise – Individually, they don’t determine if the RedSox win or lose… that’s how.

  277. Against All Odds November 21st, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    # pkyankfan69 November 21st, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    2 Bad the Yanks don’t need bullpen help:

    According to CBS Sports’ Danny Knobler, the A’s are “very willing” to trade closer Andrew Bailey.
    The Reds have already expressed legitimate interest and other teams are likely to join the fray. Bailey doesn’t turn 28 years old until next May and he’s under team control for at least the next three seasons. He posted a 3.24 ERA and 1.10 WHIP in 41 1/3 innings this past year for the money-starved A’s. They’ll want young, cost-controlled hitters in a return package for the talented right-hander.

    ——————————–

    Yea too bad I wouldn’t mind having him in the pen

  278. Irreverent Discourse November 21st, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    The Yankee’s dream of a $50mil/year bullpen could be a reality. Lock him up.

  279. 108 stitches November 21st, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    The rules / criteria since 1931 need to be changed. Sheer numbers don’t tell the full story with offensive stats. How many game winning hits did a players have ? How many runners were moved up or eventually scored because of a hit ? Did a player also contribute with good fielding / run prevention ? Players hitting a HR with nobody on and the team holding a 10 run or better edge in the 9th inning should count for nothing except padding stats. With a pitcher, was he a stopper of a losing streak ?

  280. Irreverent Discourse November 21st, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    It’s not the “good timing” award either…

  281. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    34 games outta 162 just don’t cut it.

  282. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    OldHossRadbourn I think we all know there is such a genius to J. Verlander’s pitching that he should have earned at least one MacArthur Fellowship.

  283. m November 21st, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    Here’s the breakdown:

    http://bbwaa.com/2011/11/2011-al-mvp/

    Robertson’s Houdini acts earned him a vote!

  284. upstate kate November 21st, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Detroit won their division by 15 games, couldn’t they have won their division w/ an average pitcher as well?

  285. blake November 21st, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Verlander won the MVP because of the group think mentality that spreads among the writers………..its almost like they care more about bucking old school trends than they do about picking the right player.

  286. Irreverent Discourse November 21st, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    And the gentlemen from Texas casts a 1st place vote for Michael Young.

    This is exactly why having the writers vote on these awards is stupid.

  287. DONNYBROOK November 21st, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    That group of journalists that voted Verlander #1, were probably headed by Larry King.

  288. blake November 21st, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    I keep hearing this argument that Verlander faced more batters than the hitters had plate appearances………..When who won the most plate appearances matters in the standings that will be relevant. ….

  289. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Ok…..so who wants to guess when (or at this point if) the next post will go up?

    I’m going to say 4:39

    :P

  290. tomingeorgia November 21st, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Chad forgot to leave his password to his replacements.

  291. LGY November 21st, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Verlander won the MVP? Ugh.

  292. upstate kate November 21st, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    I was thinking a new post would go up after the MVP announcement.
    I will guess 5:05

  293. LGY November 21st, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Ok…..so who wants to guess when (or at this point if) the next post will go up?

    I’m going to say 4:39

    ———

    Shouldn’t you specify a day? ;)

  294. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    LGY- ha ha ha

    you’re right. 4:39 today.

    ;)

  295. EA November 21st, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    Granderson got robbed… 40 HRs, led the league in RBIs played a GG CF on the best team in the AL…. awful

  296. Irreverent Discourse November 21st, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    Granderson did not get robbed. At least 2 players (ellsbury/bautista) were better, if not 3 (cabrera).

  297. Patrick November 21st, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Congrats to Chad for voting for the correct person – Bautista.

  298. riqedavis November 21st, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    HEy everyone. Since there is some downtime in the season, I decided to stop by and post a link to a blog I wrote. Doing research and reading about the offseason, and thinking philosophically got me inspired and I think the Yankees as a franchise represent America pretty well. I say this as a Cardinal fan, lifelong, living in Dallas Texas. I know I know. Anyway, The Cardinals are a storied franchise, probably second to the Yankees, but still a far second. Still, there is a great deal of admiration in Cardinal land and the midwest. The Yankee haters aren’t nearly as prevalent in St. Louis as other places. Anyway, if anyone is interested in reading the blog, I have added the link. No disrespect to anyone, especially Chad Jennings. This is a rabid Yankees blog, so I thought where better to try to share it than with Yankees.

    http://richardpauldavis.wordpress.com/

  299. Yank 97 November 21st, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    SI_JonHeyman
    if granderson isnt in the top 10 among al position players in war, i question war, not granderson.

  300. Yank 97 November 21st, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    SI_JonHeyman
    @
    @AntsinIN i am going to have to block you. it saddens me to see someone so young be so mean

  301. Patrick November 21st, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    if granderson isnt in the top 10 among al position players in war, i question war, not granderson.

    WAR puts too much value on a faulty defensive metric. Have to take WAR with a grain of salt..

  302. jacksquat November 21st, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    I’m not sure exactly who *should* have won it, but I do know that Granderson got shafted by his unbelievable sabermetric defense rating, and that probably affected some voters. Given his position importance and the way he really played it, I wouldn’t be so sure that anyone other than maybe Ellsbury were better.

  303. blake November 21st, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    Cabrera should have won….not Bautista.

  304. Patrick November 21st, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    I’m not sure exactly who *should* have won it

    Bautista, hope that helps

  305. Irreverent Discourse November 21st, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Granderson is 8th in fWAR (which uses park adjustments, baserunning runs, UZR)

    He’s not even near the top of bWAR (uses Total zone, no baserunning component, no adjustments) at 5.2

    Obviously a speedy guy like Granderson is going to get a better rating when using fWAR.

    Heyman can keep his fat questions to his fat self.

  306. jacksquat November 21st, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    Patrick November 21st, 2011 at 4:23 pm
    I’m not sure exactly who *should* have won it

    Bautista, hope that helps

    I would try to help you as well, but given the attitude of your post, I doubt you can be helped.

  307. Irreverent Discourse November 21st, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    How faulty is it (or does even it matter) if everyone is held to the same standard?

    Granderson had a few really bad plays this year that killed his UZR ratings… and his WAR suffers as a result.

    Whether you like the numbers or not, they are as unbiased as anyone can possibly be.

  308. blake November 21st, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Bautista fell off big time in the 2nd half……hit .257 with only 12 homers

  309. blake November 21st, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    If Granderson would have hit. 285 I think he would have won.

  310. Patrick November 21st, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    I would try to help you as well, but given the attitude of your post, I doubt you can be helped.

    Haha what?

    There’s no need to waffle around this subject, Bautista is clearly the most valuable player. It’s not really a question

  311. jacksquat November 21st, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Irreverent Discourse November 21st, 2011 at 4:26 pm
    Granderson is 8th in fWAR (which uses park adjustments, baserunning runs, UZR)

    He’s not even near the top of bWAR (uses Total zone, no baserunning component, no adjustments) at 5.2

    Obviously a speedy guy like Granderson is going to get a better rating when using fWAR.

    Heyman can keep his fat questions to his fat self.

    8th among all players, probably should take out the NL players (Kemp and Braun).

    Then consider that Granderson’s defensive rating was -5.1, while Ellsbury’s was 15.6, which is crazy.

  312. pat November 21st, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Cashman: “U should work for the Enquirer”

    I’ve been saying this for years!

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....-few-texts

  313. blake November 21st, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    “There’s no need to waffle around this subject, Bautista is clearly the most valuable player. It’s not really a question”

    Support your argument …..why was he mediocre in the 2nd half? Maybe if he had played better they would have pushed closer to the WC. Its not clear cut at all……..he had a phenomenal half season…..

  314. LGY November 21st, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    How faulty is it (or does even it matter) if everyone is held to the same standard?

    ———————

    Because the faulty standard does not apply to every player equally.

  315. Patrick November 21st, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    How faulty is it (or does even it matter) if everyone is held to the same standard?

    ———————

    Because the faulty standard does not apply to every player equally.

    And because it’s inconsistent from year to year. UZR should only be used over a 3 year sample.

  316. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    pat-that’s awesome. :)

  317. Patrick November 21st, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Support your argument …..why was he mediocre in the 2nd half? Maybe if he had played better they would have pushed closer to the WC. Its not clear cut at all……..he had a phenomenal half season…..

    Arbitrary endpoints…

    Bautista was the MVP because:

    .441 wOBA, 43 HR, .302/.447/.608

    Low BABIP shows it wasn’t at all based on luck.

    He was far and away the best hitter in the AL. The only person that comes close to his value is Ellsbury due to superior fielding and baserunning. However, Bautista was much better than Ellsbury at the plate, enough to offset the other factors.

  318. blake November 21st, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Patrick,

    Arbitrary statistics……Cabrera was the best hitter over the full season this year and he helped his team make the postseason.

  319. Phranchise November 21st, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Baustista being the best offensive force in the AL does not in itself make him MVP. If it did then they would simply just call it the Babe Ruth award or something. Most Valuable Player. He was the most valuable player on a team that finished 4th in their own division.

    If you take out Bautista and replace him with Cano or Adrian Gonzales or even Mark Tex could they still have finished fourth??

    So how valuable was his direct impact to the team’s success or lack there of in this case?

  320. LGY November 21st, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    He was far and away the best hitter in the AL.

    ————————-

    OPS+

    Miggy: 181
    Joey Bats: 181

    Batting Average

    Miggy: .344
    Joey Bats: .302

  321. RI Attorney November 21st, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Verlander winning both Cy and MVP. What an honor, what a year.

  322. Yank 97 November 21st, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Voters took the easy way out this year. Rather than really crunch on numbers and determine the best player, they just gave it to a guy using the logic that “his team relied on him more than the other MVP candidates” while citing the record in games that he didn’t start.

    If that is the new criteria, then we should have some awful decisions made for MVP in the coming years. it was as lazy vote….

  323. RI Attorney November 21st, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    The voters got this right.

  324. tomingeorgia November 21st, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    4:39 fail.

  325. Erin November 21st, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    tomingeorgia November 21st, 2011 at 4:51 pm
    4:39 fail.

    ****************

    :x

    although, I am an hour behind all you east coasters. So if a post goes up at 5:39, that will be 4:39 my time. So I would have to give myself a little bit of credit if that happens. ;)

  326. Patrick November 21st, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Arbitrary statistics……Cabrera was the best hitter over the full season this year and he helped his team make the postseason.

    Actually I chose stats that aren’t arbitrary and isolate exactly what a hitter did over a season.

    “So how valuable was his direct impact to the team’s success or lack there of in this case?”

    It’s an individual award, not a team award. It is completely meaningless to bring the success or failure of the team into this discussion.

  327. blake November 21st, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    2nd half for Bautista.

    .257/.419/.477/.896.

    They aren’t arbitrary endpoints…..the the enpoints for the award are opening day and the last day. Bautista walked a lot in the 2nd half…..but that’s about all he did on an MVP level after the all star break…….can’t put up half a dominant season and win an award titled “most valuable “……

  328. Patrick November 21st, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    Well fortunately this is not Most Valuable Second Half Player. You measure the award for the 2011 season and for the 2011 season Bautista was the best player. It’s absolutely absurd to break the season down into two halves and go from there. I could find a 3 game stretch where Cabrera was bad, should that factor into the equation?

  329. blake November 21st, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    “Well fortunately this is not Most Valuable Second Half Player.”

    Is it the “most valuable first half player “?

  330. Patrick November 21st, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Is it the “most valuable first half player “?

    “You measure the award for the 2011 season and for the 2011 season Bautista was the best player.”

  331. Phranchise November 21st, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    “It is completely meaningless to bring the success or failure of the team into this discussion.”

    Then what value do you actually hold in the grand scheme of things other than to you and your own contract?

  332. blake November 21st, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    ” I could find a 3 game stretch where Cabrera was bad, should that factor into the equation?”

    3 games isn’t 3 months and Cabrera’s overall numbers are equivalent if not better depending on what you value more.

  333. Laura - I Bleed Blue November 21st, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    I could see Verlander winning MVP if there weren’t a whole host of every day players who had great seasons. This year, there was an embarrassment of riches of guys who had good seasons. How do you give MVP to a guy who played in 34 games? With each passing moment, baseball takes a step back….

  334. blake November 21st, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    “You measure the award for the 2011 season and for the 2011 season Bautista was the best player”

    Its not called the best stats award.

  335. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    Then consider that Granderson’s defensive rating was -5.1, while Ellsbury’s was 15.6, which is crazy.
    ///

    I’ve given up even consulting that BS, unless I need a good laugh. Yea – Ellsbury is a better defender than Granderson. As Fred Rogers would say, sure he is.

  336. Patrick November 21st, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Then what value do you actually hold in the grand scheme of things other than to you and your own contract?

    I’m not sure what you’re asking. The MVP award should be measured based on the most individual contribution. Looking at a team’s win loss record takes that individual element out of the equation.

  337. Patrick November 21st, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Its not called the best stats award.

    Yes, but stats are the best measure of value that we have.

    It doesn’t matter if Bautista was insanely productive in the first half of the season and slightly less so in the second half. If you look at the season as a whole, which is how this award should be evaluated, Bautista was the most productive player in the American Leauge.

  338. blake November 21st, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    “It doesn’t matter if Bautista was insanely productive in the first half of the season and slightly less so in the second half.”

    Significantly less so…..

  339. Patrick November 21st, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Significantly less so…..

    Still doesn’t matter.

  340. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    RI Attorney November 21st, 2011 at 4:49 pm
    Verlander winning both Cy and MVP. What an honor, what a year.
    ///

    …And I thought you were a West Coast boy with a RI Attorney as an imaginary rival ;).

  341. blake November 21st, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    “Still doesn’t matter.”

    I disagree……its not a roto points league and I think it does matter.

  342. Patrick November 21st, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    I disagree……its not a roto points league and I think it does matter.

    Well, ok. I don’t think the fantasy argument really applies but if that’s how you feel that’s cool.

  343. blake November 21st, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Patrick,

    That’s the fun of the game……debating this stuff.

  344. Irreverent Discourse November 21st, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Let me just clear up a pretty large misconception here… UZR is only inconsistent from year to year if you are trying to use it to predict future results.

    Otherwise it tells you exactly what happened. Granderson botched a few VERY EASY plays this season that completely shot his UZR in the foot. It’s not wrong, he messed these plays up and they were recorded as such. Ellsbury did not miss a SINGLE PLAY in the outfield this year, hence his 15+ UZR.

  345. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Jacoby Ellsbury-
    32 homers in 660 ABs this year.
    20 homers in 1372 ABs for his career prior to 2011.
    How do you explain that?

  346. Tank November 21st, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    “32 homers in 660 ABs this year.
    20 homers in 1372 ABs for his career prior to 2011.
    How do you explain that?”

    Steroids.

  347. blake November 21st, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Trader,

    Big Papi shakes ;) Nah he’s got a great swing and I think he just got in a groove this year.

  348. CompassRosy November 21st, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Lots of thoughts coming in on Greg Halman.
    This one really touched me…

    shannondrayer
    The guy always seemed like he just got good news. That stuff is contagious. There is just not enough of that around. B Ryan on Greg Halman

    (some other thoughts collected in a blog post – just click on my name)

  349. LGY November 21st, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Otherwise it tells you exactly what happened.

    ——————–

    No.

    Hits, homeruns, etc. tell you exactly what happened. UZR attempts to measure what it seeks to calculate.

  350. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    “32 homers in 660 ABs this year.
    20 homers in 1372 ABs for his career prior to 2011.
    How do you explain that?”

    Steroids.
    —————————
    Remind you of this player?
    50 homers in 623 ABs one year
    160 homers in 5876 ABs for the rest of his career.

    Played for the Orioles.

  351. tomingeorgia November 21st, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Erin,
    5:39 fail, too.

  352. Joe from Long Island November 21st, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    brady anderson

  353. Joe from Long Island November 21st, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    no post today.

    tells you all you need to know about what lohud thinks of this blog and us.

  354. Nick in SF November 21st, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    There’s a certain poetry to Verlander winning the MVP.

    Most poetry is crap, of course.

  355. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Trader,

    Big Papi shakes Nah he’s got a great swing and I think he just got in a groove this year.
    ———————————
    Blake-
    I’m sure it was on the up and up even though in two prior seasons, Ellsbury, in 2008 and 2009 when he played a full season he had 9 homers one season followed by 8 the next. Someone hire their hitting coach. :)

    BTW-
    I saw nothing in the Atlanta papers even suggesting any interest in Nunez to play SS??

  356. Yankee Trader November 21st, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Don’t the Yankees need to make a decision by tomorrow if they are planning to offer any players arbitration[Garcia]?

  357. Red Robin November 21st, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    ” See you all in a week ”

    Chad,

    FYI — PeteAbe has yet to take 3 consecutive days off this year .

  358. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 21st, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    “I’ve given up even consulting that BS, unless I need a good laugh. Yea – Ellsbury is a better defender than Granderson. As Fred Rogers would say, sure he is.”

    :)

    Well I guess the majority of the media do not ascribe to my theory that I could have probably pitched one of the AL Central teams into the playoffs also…

  359. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 21st, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    “Chad,

    FYI — PeteAbe has yet to take 3 consecutive days off this year .”

    Chad should have gotten rid of that annoying little pissant when he had the opportunity to! Oh well, Chad, we live and learn.

    Unless, of course, Chad truly loves us so much that he too believes in the karma kickback we receive whenever that Sux sycophant posts here!

    Red Slobbin’, this is ESPECIALLY for you! With warmest thanks.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPNpJX8b-bc

    72,500+ views. Not bad!

    :D

  360. Blutarsky November 21st, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    No new post,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,wah !

  361. Irreverent Discourse November 21st, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    LGY – Hits, homeruns, etc. tell you exactly what happened. UZR attempts to measure what it seeks to calculate.

    Uh, DUH.

    I really feel like you comment just to see yourself speak sometimes… thanks for gracing me with your almighty and useless opinion.

    When you calculate everyone the same way, it becomes useful. Stop being dumb. Home runs only measure home runs, SLG only measures simple and fallable math… and they don’t measure anything remotely useful unless taken IN CONTEXT… just like UZR.

  362. Irreverent Discourse November 21st, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Bautista was much better than Ellsbury at the plate, enough to offset the other factors

    Except the people that actually study statistics don’t agree with your statement at all.

    Prufrock – I’ve given up even consulting that BS, unless I need a good laugh It only tells you what happened. You can’t take single season UZR and predict what will happen in the future, but it will tell you which fielder was better that particular season. Ellsbury didn’t mess up a single play in CF this season (by any measurement you like), Granderson did. Ellsbury was better, THIS YEAR.

  363. Irreverent Discourse November 21st, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Red Robin either has no job or no days off. Can’t be both, right?

  364. MTU November 21st, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Still the same post from the morning.

    Wow.

    :)

  365. Blutarsky November 21st, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    New Post :arrow:

    Everybody happy now ? ! ?

  366. tomingeorgia November 21st, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Same post from last night!

  367. J. Alfred Prufrock November 21st, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    ID, with all due respect, how do you know that Jacoby Ellsbury didn’t “mess up a single play in CF” in 2011?

    You would have had to watch every play he made, or failed to make (aye, there’s the rub: how do I know, not seeing every play, that the person or persons making that claim know how to properly interpret what they are watching in the first place?) to make such a claim.

    I suspect you did not personally witness every opportunity Jacoby, the defender, had to make a play, so my guess is you’re accepting the judgments of derivative sets of eyes.

    If people want to use numbers to quantify what is, IME, not quantifiable, I can’t stop them. For, even if you get a consensus on a system to evaluate defense, one would have to accept the judgments of people deciding what is and is not playable, catchable, etc., and then accept those “results” as somehow definitive.

    I find that, if you watch the players in question often enough, the truth will shake out. My “truth” on Granderson vs. Ellsbury is at great variance with whatever UZR stringers/data collectors concluded.

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