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Week in Review: Considering a Nunez swap

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 20, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Last week’s GM Meetings came and went without much news coming out of Yankees camp. The real intriguing stuff came out last night when John Harper reported that, during last week’s meetings, the Braves told the Yankees they were interested in Eduardo Nunez. 

Harper has a source who wonders if the two sides might be able to eventually build a deal around Nunez and Atlanta starter Jair Jurrjens.

“They need offense,” Harper’s source said of the Braves. “They need a shortstop because they don’t want to bring (Alex) Gonzalez back, and they like Nunez a lot.”

Nunez for Jurrjens is unlikely to say the least. Even if the Braves asking price for Jurrjens falls — and even knowing the difference in salary — Nunez alone wouldn’t be enough to get the deal done. Harper suggests including Nick Swisher in some way, and we all know Brian Cashman is on record saying he would be willing to give up offense for pitching.

Is it going to happen? Right now it’s impossible to say it’s remotely close, but the Braves like Nunez and the Yankees need a pitcher. That’s a starting point.

The rest of the week in review.

• During the GM Meetings, Cashman met with the agent for C.J. Wilson, but said he didn’t find much time to do business during his three days in Milwaukee.

• Eric Chavez wants to play next year, and his agent contacted Cashman last week to check on the possibility of a return to the Bronx. Cashman has said he could be interested in bringing Chavez back for a reprise of last year’s bench role.

• CC Sabathia finished fourth in the American League Cy Young race. Former Yankees starter Ian Kennedy finished fourth in the NL Cy Young race.

• Ivan Nova finished fourth in the American League Rookie of the Year race, and Joe Girardi was fifth in Manager of the Year. MVP is announced this week.

• The Yankees made their moves to protect players from the Rule 5 draft. They added David Phelps, D.J. Mitchell, Zoilo Almonte, David Adams and Corban Joseph to the 40-man roster.

• The new collective bargaining agreement is nearly official, and it’s going to include some significant changes to the draft and international signings. Should be announced this week.

• The Yankees signed lefty Mike O’Connor and re-signed right-hander Grant Duff to minor league deals.

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118 Responses to “Week in Review: Considering a Nunez swap”

  1. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Wainwright did ok……Feliz and Harrison did ok…..after leaving atlanta.
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    Good morning. Just read that Braves interested in Nunez.
    I’m a little nervous when the Braves are willing to trade pitchers or let them go to FA and the Yankees pick them up.

    Jaret Wright, Chris Hammond, Kyle Farnsworth, Javier Vazquez

    If Martin Prado were included in the deal along with Jair Jurrjens I would feel better, as he can play 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and both corner outfield positions.

    Maybe a package deal could be worked out.

  2. austinmac November 20th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    If the Yankees traded Nunez, they would need a back up middle IF. Pena just cannot hit at the major league level.

    I am glad to be educated on pitchers with post-Braves success. Still quite concerned over the velocity loss. Maybe it was knee related.

    I prefer Danks.

  3. Blutarsky November 20th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Jurrjens is a huge injury risk. He was in Detroit and still is in Atlanta. From RAB:

    The Pros

    It feels like he’s been around forever, but Jurrjens is still really young. He’ll turn 26 in January, and he has two years of team control remaining. MLBTR projects a salary of $5.1M next season, which puts him in line for an $8-9M payday in 2013, his final trip through arbitration.

    A true four-pitch pitcher, Jurrjens uses two fastballs in the 88-91 mph range (two- and four-seamer) to set up his low-80?s changeup and high-70?s slider. He’s got good control (2.79 uIBB/9 in the last three years), and the slide-piece is a put-away offering that he’s used to hold right-handed batters to measly .228/.280/.362 batting line with a 3.3 K/uIBB ratio over the last three seasons.

    The Cons

    Jurrjens has had a lot of trouble staying healthy in recent years, missing the final month in both of the last two seasons with right knee problems. He had surgery to repair a torn meniscus last September, then dealt with inflammation this August and September. He’s also missed time with an oblique strain (2011), a hamstring strain (2010), and shoulder inflammation (2007 and 2010), limiting him to just 43 starts and 268.1 IP over the last two years.

    That 88-91 mph fastball used to be 92-94 mph, but Jurrjens’ velocity dropped off in a big way in 2011. The velocity graph is quite scary, actually. His offspeed stuff isn’t enough to compensate, which is why left-handed batters have tagged him for a healthy .273/.349/.424 batting line with a 1.4 K/uIBB ratio over the last three seasons.

    Jurrjens is a fly ball pitcher (41.9% grounders last three seasons) and his strikeout numbers are not great (6.11 K/9 with 8.1% swings-and-misses last three seasons). That’s why there’s a considerable gap between his 3.20 ERA, 3.90 FIP, and 4.27 xFIP since the start of the 2009 season.

  4. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Trader,

    That’s a good idea…….though I can’t imagine the Braves would trade Prado and Jair for Nunez…….it’d take more than that.

  5. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Jurrjens had a knee strain in August and I believe had an oblique strain earlier in the year, both requiring stints on the DL.

    Braves want an offensive upgrade in the OF and a SS, therefore I’d think their interest would be for both Swisher and Nunez.

    If the Yankees could get Prado and maybe lefty relief pitcher Eric O’Flaherty in that deal I’d be somewhat interested, IF they had a replacement lined up for Swisher.

    I’m with austinmac-still would like Danks.

  6. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    “I prefer Danks.”

    Me too…..wouldn’t mind them both though.

    Sabathia, Nova, Danks, Jurrgins, Hughes. Bring it on :)

  7. pkyankfan69 November 20th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    If the Braves are shopping a pitcher I say no thanks.

    He’ll probly need Tommy John by June.

    I’m not a big believer in Nunez either. Decent player but will be resonably easy to replace.
    I’d have no problem including him in a package for a pitcher. Just not one from the Braves.
    (Well maybe Tommy Hanson lol)

  8. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Blake-

    read my above comment. The Yankees would probably have to include Swisher along with Nunez just to get Jurrjens + another player.

  9. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Knee and oblique both aren’t arm…..

  10. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    After reading the above RAB’s article, with that injury history and decrease in velocity-no thanks on Jurrjens.

    However I’d do a Nunez for Martin Prado trade, as Prado can play every position except C, and SS-although he has played a very limited # games at SS.

  11. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Trader,

    I wouldn’t give Swisher unless they are either willing either sign Beltran or have another option lined up to replace him……Prado would be a great utility guy (though he cant play SS).

  12. joeman November 20th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Jurrjens would be a nice addition, Nunez in a package with Gardner ( they could use a LFer) and ..for Jurrjens and Prado

  13. dan l November 20th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    The Braves, Giants and Padres had terrible SS production last year. I hope the Yankees try and trade for 1 of Luebke, Minor or Bumgarner.

    Nunez has more value then Minor and I want nothing to do with Jurrjens.

    Luebke straight up for Nunez would be a good deal for both the Yankees and Padres.

    Nunez plus in a deal with the Giants would be good as well. With the Yankees having an abundance of young right handed starters and their ballpark being the best in the NL for right handed starters a deal has a chance to happen.

  14. Blutarsky November 20th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    * Yes to Prado and Danks. (Big utility guy and a LHSP)

    * No to Buehrle and Jurrjens. (Old and injured)

    * Sign Cespedes for a year in AAA then RF in NY.

    * No Darvish, invest that money in and established ML pitcher and or hitter first, don’t know who. Prince would be a nice DH 80% of the time, 45 + HR’s @ YS.

  15. Baseball Mogul November 20th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    But he’s had shoulder issues 2 different times and is a flyball pitcher that lefties hit. Not a good formula for US.

  16. joeman November 20th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Prado would be a starter on this team in LF…he’s a better hitter than Gardner, decent in the OF

  17. dan l November 20th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Prado blows! He brings ZERO value to the Yankees. I would rather take my chances with Laird and hope Adams regains his heath.

  18. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Prado doesn’t play CF, C or SS[two lifetime games there].

    Attached his fielding stats:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....rtin-prado

  19. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    I think the RAB article is a little dramatic on the cons side……he’s very young yet and while the injury stuff is concerning……I still don’t see Nunez as too much to give for him…..I wouldn’t give more than that probably though.

  20. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    joeman-

    Believe the Braves want a power hitting LF’er, like Swisher, not Gardner. They already have Michael Bourn in CF.

  21. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    “Prado blows! He brings ZERO value to the Yankees.”

    This just isnt true.

  22. RadioKev November 20th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Count me in against Nunez for Jurrjens. I’d rather keep our guys who will actually be able to play next season. Jurrjens’ health is highly suspect, and that’s no exaggeration. He might be one of those pitchers that just can’t do it.

  23. Gary November 20th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Nunez for Jurrjens is unlikely to say the least. Even if the Braves asking price for Jurrjens falls — and even knowing the difference in salary — Nunez alone wouldn’t be enough to get the deal done. Harper suggests including Nick Swisher in some way, and we all know Brian Cashman is on record saying he would be willing to give up offense for pitching.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Morning, don’t know that this will happen, but I’ve been on record as saying I’d be happy to see smiling Nick shipped out. Maybe then we get the RF of the future in some way which disclaimer alert would be yet to be determined. Sounds like another nice to talk about thing, but little chance of it happening I’d guess.

    Blake maybe some other bodies get thrown into the deal to make it more attractive to both sides.

  24. Blutarsky November 20th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Prado plays 1B – 2B – 3B – LF – RF plus he can hit (.270 – .280) with 15 – 20 HR’s

    What’s not to like in a super sub guy ?

  25. pat November 20th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Shaugnessy painting quite the dysfunctional picture

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b....._in_chaos/

  26. Gary November 20th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:33 am
    Trader,

    I wouldn’t give Swisher unless they are either willing either sign Beltran or have another option lined up to replace him……Prado would be a great utility guy (though he cant play SS).

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Agree that they need to have some other iron in the fire before they would trade Swisher.

  27. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Luebke straight up for Nunez would be a good deal for both the Yankees and Padres.
    ———————————-
    dan l-

    Looking just at initial stats for lefty Cory Luebke a rookie, he held all hitters to a .209 BA, lefties to .157 in 139.2 innings striking out 154. Don’t you think the Padres would want more than Nunez??

    And Prado is a very servicable 4th OF’er backup infielder who had an off year.

  28. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    I understand the injury concerns ……but trading a utility guy for a 26 year old starter with upside is always something id seriously consider doing.

  29. Gary November 20th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 9:46 am
    Luebke straight up for Nunez would be a good deal for both the Yankees and Padres.
    ———————————-
    dan l-

    Looking just at initial stats for lefty Cory Luebke a rookie, he held all hitters to a .209 BA, lefties to .157 in 139.2 innings striking out 154. Don’t you think the Padres would want more than Nunez??

    And Prado is a very servicable 4th OF’er backup infielder who had an off year.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I tend to agree that there any trade involving him is not a straight up 1 for 1. I think his (Nunez) defense is still suspect

  30. Blutarsky November 20th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Prado does not blow. Hands down easy choice over Pena, Chavez, Laird, Jones, Thames etc.

    Only 28 years old and a career .293 avg. in 6 ML seasons.

  31. Blutarsky November 20th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    ‘Prado is a very servicable 4th OF’er backup infielder who had an off year’

    +++++

    Yes !

  32. joeman November 20th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    pat November 20th, 2011 at 9:45 am
    Shaugnessy painting quite the dysfunctional picture

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b….._in_chaos/

    ——————————–
    right now the Boston Bruins have taken over that town, with no BB & the state of the RS

  33. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    I’ll throw a trade out there that might work, and be somewhat fair for both sides:

    Yankees trade Nunez and Phelps[although the Braves would probably want Noesi] for Prado and lefty Eric O’Flaherty

  34. Gary November 20th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:47 am
    I understand the injury concerns ……but trading a utility guy for a 26 year old starter with upside is always something id seriously consider doing.

    __________________________________________________________________________

    Blake to me alot of this injury concern is a bit of a red herring with pitchers. It’s a shocking development when a SP these days has a injury, almost never happens to any team. :-)

    Something got lost when the game morphed into what it is today for starters. In the older days these guys got handed the ball, went out and pitched every 4th day and had unusal things on their stat sheeets like complete games ect and this was in the days of doubleheaders. The older guys seemed to be alot more robust that then the guys today.

  35. blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Offer Nunez for Minor..

  36. Gary November 20th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Anybody think (hoping) that the curse of the second half collapse goes away and the Giants beat the Eagles tonight?

  37. RadioKev November 20th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    If we could get Prado in the deal, I’d reconsider my feelings on Jurrjens. Prado is pretty good. We’d still need Ramiro Pena, and then there’s the looming Derek Jeter replacement question too.

    If we don’t have to give up much pitching for Jurrjens, maybe it’s not a bad deal. Stocking up with him is a fine strategy, but the guy is unreliable. I’d trust Nunez’ defense improving versus Jurrjens health.

  38. Blutarsky November 20th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Sign Cespedes.

    Trade Swisher and Nunez for Minor and Prado.

  39. joeman November 20th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    blake November 20th, 2011 at 9:54 am
    Offer Nunez for Minor..

    —————————
    would put Nunez in a deal for any of the SPing they have

  40. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Blake-

    lefty Mike Minor held lefties to a .316 BA. was 5-3 and received the best run support of any starter-4.87. Not excited! :)

  41. joeman November 20th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Blutarsky November 20th, 2011 at 9:57 am
    Sign Cespedes.

    Trade Swisher and Nunez for Minor and Prado.

    ———————-
    and sign Beltran ..look for a LHRP and lets get it on

  42. Blutarsky November 20th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    joeman November 20th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Starting to luv it, can baseball start sooner than later ?

  43. joeman November 20th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    off topic…
    how big would the NFL really be without the Gambling or the fantasy involved ?

  44. Dionysius Thelxinoe November 20th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Yankee Trader says:
    November 20, 2011 at 9:11 am
    Wainwright did ok……Feliz and Harrison did ok…..after leaving atlanta.
    —————————————————

    Jaret Wright, Chris Hammond, Kyle Farnsworth, Javier Vazquez

    ————-

    That second list seriously concerns me.

  45. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Something got lost when the game morphed into what it is today for starters. In the older days these guys got handed the ball, went out and pitched every 4th day and had unusal things on their stat sheeets like complete games ect and this was in the days of doubleheaders. The older guys seemed to be alot more robust that then the guys today.
    —————————–
    Gary- Those days are gone. :(

    You will enjoy this NYTimes article about a 16 inning duel between Juan Marichal and Warren Spahn. Classic read for everyone this morning.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07.....nohit.html

  46. 108 stitches November 20th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    The Yankee farm system lacks somebody to have the role Nunez had last season. In 2012 he’ll get more playing time as Girardi phases Alex and Derek with less playing time in the field and occasional time at DH to save their legs.
    Nunez has value. Ramiro Pena doesn’t.

  47. Gary November 20th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    I guess the real question is how bad do they want to move Swisher or not? If you read the party line you get the feeling they don’t, but that just might be for public consumption.

    Given that the Yanks trade for anything this winter other than a small trade for a low impact player, I tend to think the trade will have to include people like Swisher as the other trade components that could be dangled aren’t in the interests of other teams or aren’t in the interests of the Yanks to do a deal.

  48. yankee21 November 20th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Trading Nunez for Jurrgens makes zero sense for NY. As pointed out by RAB, Juurgens is full of red flags. Let’s say you chose to ignore that and take the risk anyhow, then you got a back-up SS problem. The back-up SS would be Pena, who flat out cannot hit MLB pitching. He sucks.

    You move Nunez, you better damn sure have a contingency plan in getting another SS, because if you don’t, congratulations you not only add an injury-riddled declining P that ATL wants to move while giving a bunch of ML ABs to a guy who has proven he cannot hit.

    Brilliant.

  49. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    If Swisher is to be included in a deal for a pitcher, aim higher and shoot for one of the Giants pitchers! They are looking for offense also. Jurrjens and Mike Minor don’t do it for me.

  50. RhapsodyInBlue November 20th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Go Iggles.

    Go Cowboys.

  51. blake November 20th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    “The Yankee farm system lacks somebody to have the role Nunez had last season. In 2012 he’ll get more playing time as Girardi phases Alex and Derek with less playing time in the field and occasional time at DH to save their legs.”

    I certainly hope this isn’t true……not that giving Alex and Jeter days off isn’t something they should do…..it is……but the less they play and the more Nunez plays the worse the team is because he’s nit as good as Jeter and Arod are.

    I think Nunez is a great luxury to have around but I think he’s overvalued ……backup infielders aren’t that difficult to find outside the organization.

  52. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    •One scout who watched Yoenis Cespedes work out last week said that the Cuban outfielder has great power but has concerns that he could be prone to striking out frequently.
    —————————————-
    Sounds like our AAA 1st baseman Vazquez.

  53. Gary November 20th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Not telling anybody anything they don’t know, but the outcomes on where Cespedes and Darvish are has to be weighing heavily on the Yanks strategy going forward. They have to be attractive options if they have can play to their potential and the fact that they are young players makes it an attractive option going forward.

    Alot of teams are just playing the waiting game to see what’s going to happen with these two guys. Hope there is clarification on Darvish soon so it’s know if he is an option or not. Darvish has to be controlling the endgame on pitchers like Wilson, Oswalt ect for several teams. If the Yanks persure Darvish I can’t see them getting any of the other guys.

  54. yankee21 November 20th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    blake, until NY finds a back-up IF to Jeter then Nunez is all they have. They would have to go external as there is nobody in the upper rungs of the MiL that can play SS for them other than Pena. So got to keep Nunez until you have another option.

  55. Baseball Mogul November 20th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    They need a backup that does something at the plate exactly because of who they are replacing in the lineup. Infielders that can hit aren’t easy to find, especially on the FA market. Look what Barnes, etc., just got.

  56. Gary November 20th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 10:14 am
    •One scout who watched Yoenis Cespedes work out last week said that the Cuban outfielder has great power but has concerns that he could be prone to striking out frequently.
    —————————————-
    Sounds like our AAA 1st baseman Vazquez.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Sounds like Nick, Tex, Curtis, and ARod. We have alot of guys that strike out frequently.

  57. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Got to go for a while. Until later all-have a great day and hope the football teams you’re rooting for , all win!

  58. Gary November 20th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 10:17 am
    Got to go for a while. Until later all-have a great day and hope the football teams you’re rooting for , all win!

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Go Giants

  59. Yankee Trader November 20th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Gary-

    Don’t forget to read this when you have time:

    When Marichal and Spahn Dueled for a Game and a Half:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07.....nohit.html

  60. blake November 20th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Jurjjins would cost a lot more than Nunez without the injury concerns….. the price of Nunez would be a discount for the risk. I’ve watched Jair pitch a lot….he’s a good pitcher when he’s right. He does carry injury risk sure……but Nunez is a price Id be willing to pay for that risk….maybe you get the reward and not the risk.

  61. yankee21 November 20th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Even if Jurjjins is right does he offer #2 SP capability in the AL East? If not, he is not an incremental improvement over the other internal options NY has currently.

    Forget him.

  62. blake November 20th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    “blake, until NY finds a back-up IF to Jeter then Nunez is all they have.”

    I don’t think you refuse to deal for a starter that coukd improve your rotation because of a backup…..as I said ……utility guys aren’t tough to find outside the organizations.

    Have to run.

  63. Villa Nova-Ya November 20th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Until they have a replacement for Nunez, I don’t see how they trade him.

  64. joeman November 20th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Villa Nova-Ya November 20th, 2011 at 10:26 am
    Until they have a replacement for Nunez, I don’t see how they trade him.

    ——————————–
    there are FA’s out there that are older that can do what he can

  65. Villa Nova-Ya November 20th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Are there?

    It doesn’t seem the Yankees have had much luck in getting that type of player – the Ty Wigginton, Chone Figgins type – in the past. Nunez packs a lot of punch into one roster spot. And he’s cheap.

    For the right player(s), maybe, but Jurrjens has too much risk attached for me to like that trade. I agree his upside could be good (I’m not saying when he’s healthy he hasn’t been very good), but still the lower velocity and injuries are warning bells to me.

  66. pat November 20th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Caption Contest?

    RobinsonCano
    We’re in the building http://lockerz.com/s/157881060

  67. RadioKev November 20th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Some pitchers just can’t stay healthy. It doesn’t seem like a case of random chance with Jurrjens.

  68. dan l November 20th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Sadly many here way undervalue Nunez. He is a quality offensive SS in a league that has very few. He also has FIVE years of team control left. Now all of the BS surrounding his defense most do not realize that he is playing multiple positions with new players in different ballparks. The biggest reason young players stop making errors is consistent playing time plus learning all the ballparks meaning the sight lines.

    I think Luebke would be solid value for Nunez. The Padres could really use someone like him on their team. Both of them have FIVE years of team control left.

    Prado has a career OPS under .800 in over 2000 pa and never hit 20 home runs in a season. He has TWO years of team control left coming off a poor season. The Braves would be laughing all the way to the bank if they could get Nunez for him!

  69. Red Robin November 20th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    BREAKING NEWS :

    no real news yet .

  70. DONNYBROOK November 20th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    With both Jeet and A-Rod going on the DL last season and beginning to show their age, Nunez is very valuable to the Yanks. You also gotta consider that inquiring teams view Nunez as a full-time player. Basically, the Yanks would be trading a cheap, young, fulltime 2B\SS with power AND speed, for a crap shoot NL SP with a history of injuries. I would not even trade Nunez straight up for Jarrjens.

  71. jacksquat November 20th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Maybe something like Swisher, Nunez and a couple minor leaguers not named Montero/Banuelos/Betances for Heyward and Venters? I don’t know if Atlanta would move Heyward.

  72. jacksquat November 20th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Venters is kind of like a lefthanded Robertson. Really low hit rate, little bit elevated walk rate, very high K rate.

  73. spidanyc November 20th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Swish, Logan, Laird and Nunez for Jurjjens and Venters

  74. Baseball Mogul November 20th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Venters is good but he doesn’t start. If Swisher & Nunez are packaged it needs to be for a rotation staple.

  75. LGY November 20th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Shaughnessy sounds way too emotionally attached to the Sox.

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    “After the soft parade of Dale Sveum, Pete Mackanin, Sandy Alomar Jr., Torey Lovullo, and Gene Lamont, Sox ownership effectively emasculated new general manager Ben Cherington in Milwaukee last week, thumbing their noses at Sveum, the choice of Ben and his baseball ops team. Then we find out the owners wanted a guy like Bobby Valentine all along.

    So, what was the Dale and Pony Show at Fenway over the last three weeks? Was it really necessary to trot all those guys out in front of the media so we could find out that none of it was serious?

    Why the misdirection? Why make your serious new GM look powerless right out of the gate (Ben is in the Dominican Republic this weekend, scouting Yoenis Cespedes while the grown-ups resume the managerial search)? What is happening at the top?

    John Henry has gone underground since bursting into the SportsHub studios. It’s pretty clear that pork bellies, Liverpool, and his new family have taken his attention away from the Red Sox. Meanwhile, Inspector Werner is now on the case looking for the next Heidi and more of that nifty, award-winning NESN programming. That leaves Larry Lucchino, “the man who runs the Red Sox.’’

    Exactly what I was talking about. They made Cherington look ridiculous by allowing him to interview a group of guys and recommend one he really wanted and then coming out and saying they wanted to hire someone with managerial experience. What???

    They are a group of out-of-touch fools who may not really give a crap about whether the Sux ever make it to another postseason as long as they wring out all the profits they can before they beat feet out of town.

    Selig’s pals. No surprise there.

  77. DONNYBROOK November 20th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    The Yankee Bullpen is not an area of concern. With MO, Robertson, and Soriano filling innings 7-9, and Chamberlain coming back to man the 6th inning, trading Nunez to fortify an area of strength is wasting a valuable trading chip. The Yanks could certainly use another Situational Lefty, but giving up an everyday player to get one is overpaying big time. If I’m gonna deal Nunez and or Swish, I gotta be getting a bona fide SP in that deal.

  78. rl1856 November 20th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Jurjens has been available since last season. Braves have been quiet about their willingness to trade him, but there were several trade rumors involving him before and during the 2011 season.

    Loss of velocity and injury history scares me and there has to be a reason why the Braves have wanted to include him in a deal. He is essentially home grown and under cheap control for a few more years. When healthy, he is a solid #2 in the NL.

    That said, distinction should be made regarding pitchers who were developed by Atl and pitchers who passed through Atl. Developed pitchers have performed much better than traded/FA than pitchers who passed through Atlanta. Boone Logan was a product of the Braves system, but Wright, Hammond, Vasquez, Farnsworth just passed through.

  79. shamus77 November 20th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Trisha – True Pinstriped Blue

    “They are a group of out-of-touch fools who may not really give a crap about whether the Sux ever make it to another postseason as long as they wring out all the profits they can before they beat feet out of town.”

    More words of wisdom from the “Queen of talking poo out her hind parts”

    Let me guess, did Henry fake his fall on the boat and the injury to his neck for sympathy, just like Joe Pa is faking cancer, you inconsiderate cow?

  80. shamus77 November 20th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Maybe Wilson Ramos faked his kidnapping so folks would feel bad for the Nationals, ehhh, you dumb come dumpster….?

    p’wned

  81. jacksquat November 20th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Well, the Yankees said they were looking for a lefthanded reliever, that’s why I mentioned Venters. I’m not sure trading away Nunez in a smaller deal just for Venters and not involving more significant players like Heyward is a good idea. The Yankees don’t really have a good alternative to Nunez. I would stay away from Jurrjens.

  82. jacksquat November 20th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    btw, the Japan/Nippon Series is over. Darvish said he would have a discussion with his family about posting after it was over. Could be news soon.

  83. DONNYBROOK November 20th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    The Braves ate a lot of Lowe’s contract and booted him outta town, and are now attempting to dump the injury laden Jurrjens. Throw in their Sept Meltdown, and you got a team doing The Flotsam and Jetsam. I would avoid this wreck, (Heyward included), at all costs.

  84. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 20th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    shamus77 November 20th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Ya think?

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    I’m not a big believer in Nunez either. Decent player but will be resonably easy to replace.
    I’d have no problem including him in a package for a pitcher. Just not one from the Braves.
    (Well maybe Tommy Hanson lol)
    ////

    You know how many young, reasonably “athletic” prospects we’ve moved off shortstop to 2B because they just couldn’t hack it there? If Jeter were 30 years old, this would make a helluva lot more sense. He isn’t, and I’m not sure, either, how the Yankees are supposed to survive in the OF if they were to move BOTH Nunez, who can sub there and hast been getting OF action for that reason, AND Swisher….who’s the RF? Is Jurjjens going to play out there days he’s not pitching? The guy is very talented and very injury prone; and knees, though not arms, are extremely important to pitching. Just ask C.

    danl., agree completely that Nunez’ value is not grasped by some here. He’s only going to get better, on BOTH sides of the ball. Braves should have held onto their star-bound SS, Escobar.

  86. Against All Odds November 20th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    and Chamberlain coming back to man the 6th inning,

    ——————————————-

    How the mighty have fallen

  87. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    How the mighty have fallen
    ///

    … the slumped shoulders and weak backs of the mediocre who were supposed to support them have dropped the ball…:(

  88. 108 stitches November 20th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    I’ll bet Cashman is skeptical about dealing Nunez especially for a risky pitcher like Jurrjens and especially when there’s other pitchers with far less risk out there and not have to involve Nunez.
    Even if there were solid utility infielders galore out there (which there isn’t), Cashman can do better by avoiding Atlanta as a trading partner.

  89. austinmac November 20th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    I must agree with Carig’s notion of the importance of playing who can hit singles when needed. Their are too many that swing for the fences irrespective of circumstances.

    Jurrjens scares me. It would be a mistake in my opinion to have him be the major pitching addition. Too unreliable and his fastball is diminishing.

  90. DONNYBROOK November 20th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Chamberlain will be brought back slowly, but I wouldn’t rule out his bumping Soriano outta that 7th inning role. Soriano did not look close to what we saw when he was closing for Tampa. True, Chamberlain has fallen. I’m hopeing Hughes does not follow suit. We will know for sure when we see what kinda shape Hughes is in when he reports to Spring Training. A Phenom with both weight and work ethic issues should be a major concern. Hughes did look dominating vs. Detroit outta The Pen in The Playoffs.

  91. Against All Odds November 20th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    # J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    How the mighty have fallen
    ///

    … the slumped shoulders and weak backs of the mediocre who were supposed to support them have dropped the ball…:(

    ———————————————–

    Dropped the ball big time. But hey guys it’s ok we have a great 6 inning guy watch out MLB -__-

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Some of you guys think Nunez sucks? Hunh, you should lose Nunez and have to deal with watching Jose Pirela be our sub INF who “can” play SS and who has a bat.

    Then, you’d grow some appreciation for Eddie, lol :D .

  93. comet November 20th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Needed: Singles Hitters.

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde....._more.html

  94. JK November 20th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Why is ATL so hot and heavy for Nunez?

    In his rookie season @ 23/24 he was 10th in the league @ SS in OPS (300 min pa) playing sporadically

    He has 10+ hr & 30+ sb potential! How many SS did that last year?

    Only 1!!!

    The position is extremely thin.

  95. DONNYBROOK November 20th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    One area of Nunez’s game that is often overlooked is his speed. There are not a lot of SS’s or 3B’s that have the SB’s And power that Nunez has. Nunez also has an aggressive attitude when on base. That is what irritated me about Gardner in his early days. He would get on base, or be inserted as a pinch runner, and remain anchored at 1B. Nunez is not fearful of being thrown out. I like the, “You gotta take a chance to getta chance”, mind set.

  96. JK November 20th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Nunez is also rail thin, so scouts see an athletic player with a projectable body type with more upside as he fills out and adds 20-25 lbs of muscle

  97. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Dropped the ball big time. But hey guys it’s ok we have a great 6 inning guy watch out MLB -__-
    ///

    :D:(

  98. J. Alfred Prufrock November 20th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    JK, they’re not going to take part-time numbers too seriously, considering his raw tools, as per your second post….agree about projectability of his body…

    Check in later…good one, folks.

  99. yankee21 November 20th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Bottom line with Nunez, he is needed by NY.

    Bottom line with Jurggens he brings too much risk to prevent him being a difference maker in NY’s rotation. NY has plenty of #4, #5 now, what they need is a #2.

    If ATL really wants Nunez, I ask for Hanson and Vetters. That will quiet things down big time.

    Whenever a team (ATL) desperately wants a player on a team (NYY) that the team (NYY) has no motivation to move, the team (ATL) wanting that player will get creamed in the trade.

    If ATL desperately wants Nunez, we can play ball and ask for Hanson and Vetters.

  100. austinmac November 20th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Nunez speed separates him from many other shortstops. He has ability. Many of his errors were throwing, but he has a very good arm. I think he will be fine in the field with consistent play. He also appears to be a guy who can hit good pitching.

    I see why the Mariners wanted him. I also see why the Mariners backed off on Adams as he has played little since his injury.

  101. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    I’m against trading 5 years of Eduardo Nunez for 2 partial injury-riddled years of a guy who’s topping out at 90 MPH in the National League. Nunez has far more trade value to other teams because he can be a starting shortstop and hit above league average. He’s young and cheap and plays an important position on the field.

    Atlanta really can’t be the only team interested in Nunez.

    If I’m trading a young shorstop with 5 years of control, he’s going to be the first piece or second piece of a trade for a young pitcher with multiple years of control.

    I’d target Bumgarner for Nunez + Gardner+

    If the Braves want offense and the most they can offer is Jurrjens…they can have 1 year of Swisher…not 5 years of a starting shortstop. And I would only do that if I could line up a deal for Shin Soo Choo. Choo is a 5 tool outfielder coming off a down year. Yes, he drinks, but so does Miguel Cabrera.

  102. JK November 20th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    I love the chaos in bean town. The best thing is that their farm system is a mess after the Gonzo + Martinez trades and now the new CBA kills their strategy of accumulating extra #1 and supp draft picks. Theo is also gone and will be targeting the same players in the draft. They have also been a disaster in the IFA market for a decade. It’s going to take a while to rebuild that system.

  103. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    This is why it’s complete BS when Cashman says the lineup is fine as, is.

    The scout isn’t so sure. “I think the Yankees could use a guy or two more in that lineup who brings a little more action to the game. Robinson Cano is the guy in their lineup you fear on a nightly basis because there’s no way to pitch him. Most of their guys sit and wait for a certain pitch. If they don’t get it, they put their bat and helmet back in the rack. Over 162, their collective discipline and power wears you out. But in a short series, the opportunities can run out fast.”

    The scout believes manager Joe Girardi has to see if Brett Gardner can play every day because he adds a dimension. He thinks Jesus Montero looks like he will be a hitter similar to Cabrera, with the way he takes the ball the other way. He wonders if Eduardo Nunez, perhaps in right field instead of Swisher, would bring the Yankee attack back to something more similar to the Torre years.

    “Nunez keeps at-bats alive. He’s got a Wiffle Ball approach to hitting. The plate is just something he stands next too, but doesn’t pay attention to it. Those guys bother me as a scout. They’re so unpredictable.”

    When told that Nunez had one more RBI single this past season than both Teixeira and Rodriguez, the scout chuckled. “Well there you go,” he said, before adding, “I can’t imagine any other team being broken down this way. Good to be them.”

  104. UnKnown November 20th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Does anyone know if under the new playoff system if the team that survives the wild card one game playoff can play the #1 seed even if within division.

    Hence, Rays beat Sux in a one game first round WC playoff. Can then the Rays play the Yankees as the top overall one seed?

  105. DONNYBROOK November 20th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    There just are not that many NL SP’s I would be interested in, including Bumgarner. Hamels I like, but not for merely 1 year. NL pitchers numbers are, (in general), paper tigers due to facing a bunch of punch-and-judy lineups, and being able to pitch around the guys that can hit. This is why it is difficult to appraise the Grandy trade with the numbers Ian Kennedy is Now compiling.

  106. spidanyc November 20th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    yankee21 November 20th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
    Bottom line with Nunez, he is needed by NY.

    Bottom line with Jurggens he brings too much risk to prevent him being a difference maker in NY’s rotation. NY has plenty of #4, #5 now, what they need is a #2.

    If ATL really wants Nunez, I ask for Hanson and Vetters. That will quiet things down big time.

    —————————————————————————————————————-

    Nunez for Hanson and Vetters? What are you smoking?

  107. JK November 20th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Unknown,

    Redsox and Rays would have played 1 game playoff and then the winner would have played the Yankees.

  108. JK November 20th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Brett,

    The Yankees lineup is fine……. They just need a healthy Alex and 600 ab from Montero.

    BTW. Gardner is going nowhere

  109. joeman November 20th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Eduardo Nunez …if NY needs him …who are we talking about here

  110. joeman November 20th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Eduardo Nunez …not a very good IFer..decent and a .270 hitter

  111. Bret The Hitman November 20th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    JK,

    I disagree. If a good starting pitcher is offered and the team wants Gardner, he’s not a guy Cashman will refuse to deal to upgrade the rotation.

  112. DONNYBROOK November 20th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Cashman is looking at a tough call in the distant future regarding Russell Martin vs the young catchers in the Minors. Cashman is either gonna have to deal Martin by July 31 and go with a youngster from that point forward, or violate Yankee policy and sign Martin before his contract expires. Maybe even get a quiet\verbal under-the-table deal done with Martin during the 2012 season? I would not want Martin declaring free agency, and either getting inna bidding war, or worse yet, having the guy walk away for a draft pick. Barring an injury during ST, Cervelli’s days on the Yankee 25 Man Roster are done.

  113. DONNYBROOK November 20th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    Gardner’s defense is often overlooked in LF. He also gives the Yanks an excellent CF’er when needed. He and Grandy have locked down everything from Right Center to the Left Field foul line. It would have to be an offer that would knock me down to deal Gardner. He’s not an Untouchable, but close.

  114. blake November 20th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    There is nothing in Nunez’s minor league track record or evidence from watching him play that he will be the player that some folks seem to think he’s going to be.

    He’s in his mid 20′s, has horrible footwork, and has an approach at thethe plate that has a good chance to be exposed with more playing time.

    I like having him on the team as he has value in a backup/utility role……but I don’t think he’s the air apparent at SS and I don’t think he’s irreplaceable for the Yankees either if they can get value for him.

    That doesn’t mean you deal him just to deal him…..he’s too valuable for that……however if I could potentially upgrade the rotation by moving him I certainly would.

  115. blake November 20th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    “I’d target Bumgarner for Nunez + Gardner”

    That’s not close to enough.

  116. Baseball Mogul November 20th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Nunez, Swisher, Betances for extended Cain

  117. theoldCrow November 20th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    I don’t know folks maybe it’s me, but I wouldn’t include Nunez in a deal for Jurrjens. Maybe I’m rating Eddie too high, but I don’t think so. They didn’t include him in a Lee deal why would Jurrjens change the front office’s mind? Jurrjens is trending down IMO and Eddie is a future star once they settle him into a position, have some patience. I don’t trust this deal, in fact it’s borderline laughable considering Jurrjens track record Re: injuries and Eddie’s upside. When A-Rod and Jeter went out with injuries the Bombers never missed a beat with Eddie filling in.

  118. theoldCrow November 20th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Blake is there a reason why Nunez is in every conversation other GM’s have with Cashman if he projects your take on his skills?. I respectfully disagree with your assessment. I remember a few years ago a lot of NYY fans wanted to run Cano out of town.


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