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Happy Thanksgiving for Freddy Garcia

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Nov 24, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Happy Thanksgiving, Yankees fans. It appears to have been a happy one for Freddy Garcia. Multiple reports have him agreeing to a new one-year deal. Here’s one of them: http://es.pn/sN1qNM

Garcia started 25 games last season and did surprising well for the most part, at 12-8 with a 3.62 ERA.

So do you like CC, Nova, Hughes, Burnett, Garcia? There will be all those young, promising starters waiting on-deck at Triple-A as well.  Or would you like to bring in another decent veteran for the rotation? Just asking. 

Hope you all had a great holiday.

 
 

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560 Responses to “Happy Thanksgiving for Freddy Garcia”

  1. spidanyc November 24th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    I’m not thrilled with the resigning of Freddy Garcia. The Yankees should have let him sign with another team and gain a draft pick. The rotation will be the same as last year; unless the Yankees brass is content with making the playoffs and losing in the 1st round again.

  2. G-C November 24th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Good move.

    Save CC, the Yankees rotation had nothing to do with why they didn’t win the world series last year.

    Now work on the offense.

  3. JonS November 24th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    Shouldn’t that be CC, Nova, Hughes, Garcia, and Burnett? lol

    I still would like them to bring in another starter. If they can’t get one at a decent price (Don’t want Wilson or Jackson), then they’ll still be ok because one of the AAA guys should be ready to go.

  4. DaSaint007 November 24th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving!

    Prudent move by the Yankees. He’s a savvy veteran presence in the rotation, and at minimum, could be a spot starter/long reliever should a better option appear. In addition, with such a decent contract, he’s tradable, either if he’s no longer necessary, or as part of a larger package for a starter (Garcia+Swisher+AAA arm for Gio Gonzalez for example). Of course, for this scenario to take place, a RF replacement must already be in hand.

  5. DaSaint007 November 24th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Sign Colon for $2-$3M guaranteed as additional insurance.

  6. PittsburghYankeeFan November 24th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Off season basically is over. Wait until January to find additional bench players and perhaps a scrap heap pitcher as insurance. You have a 95-100 win club right now.

    I wonder what the payroll is–must be under $200 million.

  7. PittsburghYankeeFan November 24th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    If Yu posts, they’ll bid.

    Happy Thanksgiving.

  8. 4 NYY November 25th, 2011 at 12:16 am

    minus AJ, minus AJ, minus AJ !!!

  9. Patrick November 25th, 2011 at 12:56 am

    I like the signing but we still need a legit number two. My preference in this order is

    1. Darvish
    2. Danks
    3. Buerhle

  10. Out Pitch November 25th, 2011 at 12:57 am

    Yawn.

    Since GWS has passed the moves are passé!

  11. Jorge Mexico November 25th, 2011 at 1:26 am

    100% agree with Patrick. I’d only make a little change to my preferences.

    1- Yu Darvish
    2- Mark Buehrle

  12. ron November 25th, 2011 at 3:13 am

    They had to offer him arb for them to get a pick & he probably accepts.
    He got 3.5 million this year & would of definitely got more in 2012,so i think for 5 million,it was a good signing.

  13. bestard November 25th, 2011 at 5:12 am

    Agree with DaSaint007. I’m impressed for what Colon did last first half even though a little bit down then. I think Colon is worth a shot for backup starter if price is reasonable.

    As for Yu Darvish, he is not a major-league proven. To acquire him means a lot of money, a long-term contract and high risk.

    You look Daisuke Matsuzaka, Kei Igawa, I don’t think any Japanese pitcher is worth the risk to give a huge contract more than three-years deal.

    Mark Buehrle is almost a top No.3, but I think he maybe between No3-No.4 only, we now need a real No2 all-time power pitcher, maybe CJ Wilson is better than Buehrle.

  14. raymagnetic November 25th, 2011 at 6:51 am

    Ivan Nova is better than Danks and Buehrle and Yu Darvish is largely unknown to be considered a legit number 2.

  15. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 8:02 am

    BOSTON HIGH ON GIO

    Cherington has acknowledged the Sox aren’t expected to enter the bidding for high-end free-agent starters C.J. Wilson or Mark Buehrle, but they are known to be extremely high on Oakland left-hander Gio Gonzalez, who would command a top package of prospects comparable to the one the Chicago Cubs surrendered when they acquired Matt Garza from the Tampa Bay Rays last winter.

    Having given up pitcher Casey Kelly and first baseman Anthony Rizzo last December for Adrian Gonzalez, the Sox are likely to proceed cautiously before parting with their best prospects in another deal. But make no mistake, Gio Gonzalez has been a name widely discussed internally by the team.

  16. J. Alfred Prufrock November 25th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    Hahaha. Sox are likely to proceed cautiously because they HAVE no prospects even close to the majors.
    ///

    I see no downside to signing Freddy for another year. Knows how to pitch within himself, lends backend stability, and won’t be blocking the kiddies, & he’s a good influence on Nova et al.

  17. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 8:25 am

    SOX/GIO from ESPN:

    AP Photo/Mark J. Terrill

    Oakland left-hander Gio Gonzalez is a favorite of the Red Sox, but would they be willing to part with the prospects to get him?

    *************

    What prospects? :lol:

  18. blake November 25th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    The Sox don’t have enough go get Gio without touching their big league roster. Beane isn’t trading Gonzalez for upside guys in A ball. Middlebrooks is about their only real prospect above AA

  19. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 8:29 am

    The Sox just want to drive up the price of GIO because they suspect Cashman’s mid-season interest in GIO has not faded.

  20. blake November 25th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Id definitely consider Gio but I don’t see the Yanks as a good match because they’d want Montero and he’s off limits for me. If they could bring a 3rd team in then maybe…..

  21. 108 stitches November 25th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    1. C.C. – signed and happy.

    2. Nova – Coming off a good year and more confidence; no forearm issues.

    3. Another lefthander for the rotation coming from Buehrle, Danks, or Gonzalez.

    4. Hughes – In great pitching shape from attending the API; head start with arm strength.

    5. Garcia – Steady and reliable with quality starts.

    6. Noesi – Getting needed innings in Winter Ball ; ready to compete as a starter.

    7. Phelps / Warren – Compete for no worse than a long reliever.

    8. Another utility infielder to share time with Nunez; the light bat of Pena won’t do.

    9. Re-sign Andruw Jones or competition from farm system as the 4th OF.

  22. blake November 25th, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Could Cash bring in the Reds who are shopping Yonder Alonzo for pitching to try and facilitate a deal with Oakland? Those two teama have already been talking about Andrew Bailey.

    Now of course the Reds could target Gio for themselves…….but perhaps the Yanks coukd make the deal fair for everyone the way they did with the Granderson deal.

  23. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Blake,

    The Sox will fail if they’re trying to drive up the price for Gio. It’s nothing more than an empty threat.

    However, I suspect GIO would be costly for the Yanks.

    Jesus Montero
    Eduardo Nunez
    Dellin Betances
    JR Murphy

  24. blake November 25th, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Bret,

    I don’t see a good match with Oakland directly……either way I think he will probably cost too much.

  25. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Blake,

    I wanted to mention there’s a new Carolina girl in my life. Blonde, green eyes, Southern twang, sweet, Master’s degree, bangin’ body. My brothers are going to hate me if I ever bring her home…and so will their wives/girlfriends.

  26. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    By Mark Polishuk [November 24 at 11:31pm CST]
    The Reds are offering Yonder Alonso as trade bait in their search for a closer or a No. 2 starter, reports Yahoo Sports’ Tim Brown. Reds GM Walt Jocketty has spoken to several teams — including the A’s, Blue Jays, Indians and Rays — about Alonso, though we heard earlier this week that the Reds thought Alonso was too much to give up for Oakland closer Andrew Bailey.
    ——————————-
    Blake, Bret, 108 stitches, Pruf, Ray, and anyone else online while I’m typing-

    Hope you all had a great T-Day.

    Got the perfect answer for the Reds need for a closer. One who doesn’t have a NTC. Give them Rafael Soriano for lefthanded hitter Yonder Alonso! throw in a little $$$. :)

  27. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Trader,

    What’s the deal with Alonso?

    Too much for Bailey? Not enough for Gio?

  28. blake November 25th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Bret,

    Congrats….can’t beat Carolina girls ;)

    Trader,

    I could see a 3 way as possible between Yankees-Reds-As……but those things are complicated so specifics would be hard to guess. Gio, Alonzo, Betances and some other Yankees prospects that are close to the bigs would have to be involved im sure.

  29. blake November 25th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    The Reds don’t have a spot for Alonzo because if Votto. Pretty much the only thing he can do is DH or play 1B…..he’s an awful outfielder but he can definitely hit. They are trying to move him for pitching

  30. blake November 25th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    I still think (if they can do it)…..making a lesser deal for Danks makes the most sense if they can center it around Romine. Then Shop AJ really really hard.

    Sabathaj, Nova, Danks, Garcia, Hughes/Noesi would be really solid…..and if Hughes came back right then it would be one of the best in the league potentially.

  31. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Blake,

    If the Yankees can acquire Danks or Gio, I’d love to see AJ traded and Phil given a second chance to recover some value. However, I don’t see a market for AJ. I think there’s a better chance an NL team go for Phil. I’d consider a swap of Phil Hughes for an OF.

    My first choice is Shin Soo Choo but I also like Chase Headley.

    Chase Headley bats righty, crushed lefties in 2011 and can play 3b, 1b, LF and RF.

  32. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Blonde, green eyes-Bret you’re dating Kate Hudson-Wow!! Congrats! :)

    Bailey has spent time injured I believe the last few years. Other than what Blake just posted about Alonso, I can’t offer anything further. I guess Chris Heisy is the starting LF’er.

    I’m not as crazy about Gio Gonzalez. He’s mostly a two pitch pitcher-fastball curve and throws CU around 5%. He was rocked in his only starts this year in YS, Fenway and the Rogers center. Count me as nervous on that one.

  33. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    •A name that pops up regarding the Rockies’ third base situation is Chase Headley? of the Padres. The Rockies tried to acquire him last summer but the Padres weren’t interested in moving him. San Diego remains uninterested in dealing the 27-year-old [November 13th MLBTRs]

  34. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Chi Sox like Betances – but not as center piece to a deal. Per Post.

  35. blake November 25th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    “Chi Sox like Betances – but not as center piece to a deal. Per Post.”

    When youre ready to get serious then call me Kenny……cashman’d

  36. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Trader,

    I think Gio’s a 20 game winner on the Yankees. I think he can compete on the same level as Andy Pettitte…really be an anchor for the staff for years to come and a high character guy on top of that who wants the ball in big playoff games.

    CC-Gio-Nova. Great mix of pitchers.

  37. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Blake,

    If the Sox don’t like a killer B as the centerpiece, then I think we can safely assume that they want Montero as the centerpiece. He’s the only Yankee prospect more valuable than Betances.

  38. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    A few days ago someone mentioned lefty rookie Padre starter Cory Luebke.
    6-10; 3.29ERA; 1.07 WHIP; 139.2 innings, 44 walks, 154 strikeouts, lefties batted .157, righties .229.

    Padres could use an upgrade at 2B, and I believe aren’t too happy with Jason bartlett at SS. His salary, currently highest on team – 12:$5.5M, 13:$5.5M club option ($1.5M buyout).

    MAYBE- the Padres would move Luebke, throw in Bartlett in a trade centered around Nunez?

    Thoughts?

  39. blake November 25th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Trader,

    There are two ways to look at Gio. One is a good finished product with some warts…….the other is a 25 year old unfinished product that’s already good and has room to grow.

    Command is often the last thing to develop…..if he improved that and developed a better third offering then the upside is white high because his breaking ball is very good.

    Im higher on him than some because I think he could get better and wed have 4 years to find out…….but it would come with risk and there are limits to what id offer.

  40. LGY November 25th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Garcia would have gotten at least the Bruce Chen contract on the open market. Nice to see a player take a discount to stay in pinstripes. It really demonstrates the culture of the club right now given Chief was compelled to do this after only one year here.

    What I hope to see

    CC
    Danks/Darvish/Gio/Garza/mystery pitcher
    Nova
    Chief
    Hughes (10 starts to prove himself. If he flops or gets hurt again Noesi takes over)

  41. blake November 25th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    “He’s the only Yankee prospect more valuable than Betances.”

    Banuelos is and to some organizations others may be as well…..they might value Roni e, Noesi, etc….more than Betances.

  42. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    LGY,

    I like the idea of Phil at 5 with a short leash and Noesi waiting in the wings. However, I fear the Yanks are stuck with AJ. Phil’s trade value should not be based on his 2011 campaign. It should take into account his 18 win season in 2010.

    I do get the feeling the Yankees will move Hughes or AJ.

    I’m really curious to know if another GM is willing to make a strong offer for Hughes that isn’t a lowball offer strictly based on 2011.

  43. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    A good #2, or #3 starting pitcher will cost plenty now. With the extra wild card slot, just about every team in the AL has a shot at the playoffs as currently constructed early in the offseason, except for the A’s, Twins, probably the Marlins and Orioles.

    Therefore I’m not getting my hopes up. It might take until the trading deadline to pick up a good starter at a reasonable cost.

    Cashman might just look at a non tendered pitcher.

  44. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Blake,

    I figured Banuelos was a given. He’s the one prospect I feel is untouchable. And I don’t see Romine valued over Betances. I think KW wants too much for Danks.

  45. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Mariners not Marlins

  46. blake November 25th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    LGY,

    Anything in the advanced numbers etc that would predict where Gio goes from here? Is this what he is…….or if he improved the walk rate coukd he take a step forward? I think that’s the big question in him…..whether you think he’s finished developing or not.

  47. 108 stitches November 25th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    On a day when little if anything of note will be done in baseball, might as well see a video of how baseballs are manufactured …………………………………….

    http://www.reliableplant.com/v.....facturedÂ

  48. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Danks-Willing to take on the rest of Matt Thornton’s contract and maybe the cost comes down.

    Ervin Santana-Rumor, if the Angels sign CJ Wilson, he might be made available to secure offense.

  49. blake November 25th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    If an organization internally evaluated Romine as a future starting catcher…and Betances as a future relief pitcher…….then sure they might value Romine more. Ill say this……Betances has great upside…..but if you asked me who id put money on to have the best big league career……Id say Romine.

  50. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Anything in the advanced numbers etc that would predict where Gio goes from here? Is this what he is…….or if he improved the walk rate could he take a step forward?
    —————————————
    Speaking about a step forward, did anyone see the Lions Suh step on the opposing Packers arm after slamming his head into the ground multiple times and then after getting thrown out claims at the press conference afterward that he was trying just to extricate himself from the grasp of the opposing player?

  51. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    If KW wants a package centered on Romine and is willing to trade Danks, what do you suppose is the hold-up? I don’t like that trade personally but you’d think maybe the Yankees would.

  52. blake November 25th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Kenny has no reason to rush…..at this point he is asking for the moon…..if he really wants to deal him then that’ll change. My guess is that if it has legs there will be a lot of conversation next week heading into the winter meetings …..

  53. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    If KW wants a package centered on Romine and is willing to trade Danks, what do you suppose is the hold-up? I don’t like that trade personally but you’d think maybe the Yankees would.
    ————————————
    Pierzynski is signed thru 2012. Beckham at 2nd had a poor year. Maybe Williams also would want Nunez. Do they want to unload a contract-Thornton, Crain Quentin?

  54. LGY November 25th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Blake

    The advanced numbers from the past two years paint him as more of a mid to high 3 ERA pitcher. I assume that’s primarily a result of the park he pitches in. In terms of projections for next year, I think some stuff is out already but I haven’t looked at any of it yet.

    The walk rates are concerning but at the same time he’s the same age as Phil Hughes so there is definitely possibility of improvement as he enters his prime. I think Rothschild is actually the perfect pitching coach to work with Gio.

    Personally I think Gio is particularly attractive because of the four years of control. Even if you trade a Betances or Banuelos you are only sacrificing two years and who knows how those young pitchers would perform in those first two anyway.

  55. blake November 25th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Trader,

    Id take on Thornton to facilitate a deal…..its a lot of money but he would be the best LH reliever they have and an upgrade over Logan. If that kept the prospect price down then sure…..adding Danks and Thornton would make the team significantly better. That’s probably something you’d have to get Hal on board with……dealing AJ coukd pay for Thornton’s salary.

  56. blake November 25th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    LGY,

    Agree. I would absolutely deal Betances for Gio…..Beane is going to want offense if he moves him though and I wouldn’t do Montero there…….which is why I mentioned maybe bringing the Reds or somebody else in.

  57. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    If Kenny Williams won’t take a deal centered on Betances for Danks, I don’t see Beane doing Betances for Gio.

  58. blake November 25th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    On another note……wonder what it would do to the price of Garza if you offered to take some of Soriano’s salary off the books with him. Soriano isn’t any good……but Cashman likes bringing ex Yankees back and he could be a 4th outfielder with power. I wouldn’t take his entire contract …..but maybe enough to perk Theo’s interest and to see how it affected the price for Garza.

    The Cubs aren’t going to win during the time they have Garza anyway…..if he could get a decent return for him and shed some of the Soriano money in one deal…..that coukd be attractive I would think.

  59. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Very interesting next wave of prospects coming in the low minors – I think we might have a better wave than the rival to the North – and we already have a better group in the high minors.

  60. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    I’d be surprised and probably happy if the Yankees dealt AJ this offseason. However they probably would have to eat most of the contract of 16.5Mx 2 years and offer him to another team for 10-12M for those two years. I think he’s here for 2012, at least until midseason at the earliest.

    Haven’t heard any news on Yu Darvish. Suspect he’ll make a decision this coming week whether he wishes to be posted and whether the Ham Fighters wil agree.

  61. blake November 25th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    “I don’t see Beane doing Betances for Gio.”

    I don’t either…..which is where the third team (with offense to trade) would come in. Betances would just be a piece in a deal like that…..too complicated to predict specifics.

  62. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Blake-

    Alfonso Soriano:
    10-14:$18M annually
    full no-trade clause

    Better chance that Reed Johnson is signed as the 4th OF’er. :)

  63. Giuseppe Franco November 25th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    I think Montero and Banuelos are both untouchable, as they should be. The others could get moved in the right deal.

    However, if by chance Cashman does trade Montero, I am personally going to fly to the Bronx and punch him in the nose.

    Just getting into the spirit of Black [and Blue] Friday.

  64. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Yanks view Burnett’s value in 200 innings they can bank on at this point (which is odd given A.J.’s injury history before coming to the Yanks – but I digress) – they would need to have some assurances that they have three starters in the rotation they can feel as certain as you can for 200 innings or near 200 innings. . . .

  65. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    No one is untouchable – as Cashman has said – he will listen on anyone who does not have a no trade clause. . . .

  66. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    GF-

    If Montero gets traded for anything less than another young stud hitter like Justin Upton, I’ll be happy to fly with you as your wing man. :)

  67. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Still think they go the FA/or low cost reclamation project route (Harden this year’s Colon???) – instead of a trade – unless something is “fair” – Cashman has shown he will do a deal as long as it is far – i.e. – hurts a little for everyone involved like the three way trade for Granderson.

  68. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Tag: Yu Darvish
    Saeko holds PR event commemorating her new photo book
    by Gen on Nov.24, 2011 @ 9:32 pm, under NPB

    While not exactly baseball news, Daily Sports reports that Saeko held a PR event commemorating her upcoming photo book, Saeko: One and Only. And for the first time since news of her divorce with Yu Darvish broke, Saeko fielded questions from the media. And of course, the big question was how her divorce was going with Darvish.

    Her reply: “Well, hmm. There is still a ways to go.”

    UPDATE 11/25 @ 12:02am – Nippon TV News 24 has a bit more (although not much more):

    When asked if there was a chance she might get back together with Yu Darvish, Saeko sidestepped the question and said, “Well, I am not really sure. Right now, when I look at my children I think about how I want to grow up with them.”

    And when asked if she would know more before the end of the year, Saeko replied, “I do not know the answer to that either. I will be sure to let everyone know when new information becomes available.”
    —————————

    Any effect on whether Darvish decides to request to be posted this year??

  69. Giuseppe Franco November 25th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    No one is untouchable – as Cashman has said – he will listen on anyone who does not have a no trade clause. . . .

    ———

    If King Felix or Verlander is available, then yes, nobody is untouchable.

    But would probably take a monumental opportunity to get a really big fish for those kids to be moved.

    Gio Gonzalez just doesn’t cut it.

  70. Erin November 25th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Very important announcement: today is Nick Swisher’s birthday. :) . OK, carry on. Hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving!

  71. Giuseppe Franco November 25th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    GF-

    If Montero gets traded for anything less than another young stud hitter like Justin Upton, I’ll be happy to fly with you as your wing man.

    —–

    I have a feeling that plane ride would be rather crowded with a lot of disgruntled Yankee fans.

  72. 86w183 November 25th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    At some point some of these prospects either need to be dealt or promoted. Betances and Banuelos are probably a year from that status, but Warren, Phelps, Kontos and Noesi are all there now.

    Romine is generally viewed with very high regard around baseball and if you packaged him with Noesi and Nunez the quality of pitcher you would get should be pretty darn good.

    I get the sense from talking to scouts I’ve known for years that Montero and Banuelos are totally off limits (except maybe for King Felix) and that Gary Sanchez may be the next toughest prospect to pry loose from Cashman.

  73. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Romine is generally viewed with very high regard around baseball and if you packaged him with Noesi and Nunez the quality of pitcher you would get should be pretty darn good.
    —————————————-
    86w183-

    Thanks for your input.

    Anyone-
    Romine, Noesi, Nunez for ?

    Romine, Kontos/Phelps/Warren, Nunez for ?

  74. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Gio Gonzalez just doesn’t cut it.

    **********

    Agreed.

  75. GreenBeret7 November 25th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Beane is next to impossible to deal with. he wants and demands ace return on #2/#3 starters. Not happening. Right now he’s willing to deal Bailey to Cincinnati and the requirement to start the deal is Alonzo and much more.

  76. 108 stitches November 25th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 10:12 am
    Romine is generally viewed with very high regard around baseball and if you packaged him with Noesi and Nunez the quality of pitcher you would get should be pretty darn good.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The burning question. Who do you replace Nunez with, the weak hitting Ramiro Pena ? At present the Yankee farm system has no multi-position infielders considered to be major league ready. The nearest to it is Brandon Laird who only plays the infield corners. Eric Chavez (if healthy) backs up at 3rd base.

  77. GreenBeret7 November 25th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    A deal I wouldn’t mind seeing NYYs swing in a deal with Cincinnati for Drew Stubbs, sending two young pitchers and Swisher with NYYs kicking in 5 Mil. Stubbs strikeouts are troubling, but, the power, speed and glove are unmistakable.

  78. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    108 stitches-

    There is no current replacement for Nunez. Martin Prado is available for an offensive LF’er or a SS- and plays about every position except SS, CF and Catcher. Would still leave the Yankee needing a backup SS when Jeter needs a rest.

    With the added wild card team, the current price to trade for a quality starter is most likely too high, and one might find Cashman looking for another reclamation project FA or a non-tendered FA to fill the rotation until things shake out in July for a trading deadline pickup.

  79. GreenBeret7 November 25th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Nix plays a fair 3rd, SS and and 2nd base, but an ugly batting average, though he has power. Still, I’m against moving Nunez.

  80. LGY November 25th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    A deal I wouldn’t mind seeing NYYs swing in a deal with Cincinnati for Drew Stubbs, sending two young pitchers and Swisher with NYYs kicking in 5 Mil. Stubbs strikeouts are troubling, but, the power, speed and glove are unmistakable.

    ——-

    This is a Chip proposal.

  81. blake November 25th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    ” Beane is next to impossible to deal with”

    When Brad Pitt plays you in a movie you have to win trades right…..

  82. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    GB7

    Hope your T-Day was good.
    Drew Stubbs-Would give the Yankees three CF’ers with speed patrolling the entire outfield. Cut down on those 205 strikeouts and that would be another exciting player to add to the Yankee team. Another area that the righty Stubbs needs to work on is his BA of .226 against righties, slightly worse than Swisher.

  83. LGY November 25th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Stubbs would make them significantly worse in RF.

    Not to mention the two pitchers AND money going to the Reds.

  84. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    LGY-
    Include lefty Bill Bray with Drew Stubbs.
    Why would he be “significantly” worse. Is he a poor fielder? Strikeouts?

  85. jacksquat November 25th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 10:03 am
    Tag: Yu Darvish
    Saeko holds PR event commemorating her new photo book
    by Gen on Nov.24, 2011 @ 9:32 pm, under NPB

    While not exactly baseball news, Daily Sports reports that Saeko held a PR event commemorating her upcoming photo book, Saeko: One and Only. And for the first time since news of her divorce with Yu Darvish broke, Saeko fielded questions from the media. And of course, the big question was how her divorce was going with Darvish.

    Her reply: “Well, hmm. There is still a ways to go.”

    UPDATE 11/25 @ 12:02am – Nippon TV News 24 has a bit more (although not much more):

    When asked if there was a chance she might get back together with Yu Darvish, Saeko sidestepped the question and said, “Well, I am not really sure. Right now, when I look at my children I think about how I want to grow up with them.”

    And when asked if she would know more before the end of the year, Saeko replied, “I do not know the answer to that either. I will be sure to let everyone know when new information becomes available.”
    —————————

    Any effect on whether Darvish decides to request to be posted this year??

    There is some talk that Yu’s soon to be ex-wife and her lawyer are dragging out the divorce proceedings, hoping to get a cut if Yu signs a MLB contract this offseason.

    “Well, hmm. There is still a ways to go.”

    So yeah, that could be a factor.

  86. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    jacksquat-

    Thanks for the feedback on Darvish.

  87. GreenBeret7 November 25th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Trader,

    Thanks. Had a pretty good day yesterday. Ftogleg drumsticks floating in gopher gravy and pickled hawk eggs…..add in a good slab of ham and, I was good to go. I suppose that meal will end any chances I had with Miss Piggy, but, food is food.

    There really isn’t much out there on the market that makes sense for the yankees. Stubbs, pther than being a right handed hitter is a Hell of an outfielder. Love that power/speed combo. If Long could do for him what he did with Swisher and Granderson, it itn’t a bad deal. He’s 27 and NNYs would have him for 4 years at a fairly low cost. NYYs have 4 pitchers that could start for Cinncy next year in Noesi, Phelps, Mitchell and Warren. I wouldn’t even consider Noesi, though. NYYs have to make room for next year’s AAA crop of new pitchers that will include Stoneburner befor mid-season along with left hander Shaeffer Hall. They did re-sign Josh Romanski, though, another lefty starter or reliever.

  88. LGY November 25th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Trader

    Swisher is a lot better than Stubbs. The only thing Stubbs is better at is fielding and stealing bases. But Swish is a way better hitter.

    Swisher hits for a higher average, gets on base more, and for more power. Stubbs has never even had a minor league season that can rival the major league numbers Swish puts up. That trade would put a real dent in the offense.

    Trading Swish for Stubbs smacks of desperation dump him. The attempts to get rid of Swish have really gone too far.

  89. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    GB7-

    I see your dinner was cholesterol lowering, much like mine.

    This was posted earlier from MLBTRs;
    By Mark Polishuk [November 24 at 11:31pm CST]
    The Reds are offering Yonder Alonso as trade bait in their search for a closer or a No. 2 starter, reports Yahoo Sports’ Tim Brown. Reds GM Walt Jocketty has spoken to several teams — including the A’s, Blue Jays, Indians and Rays — about Alonso, though we heard earlier this week that the Reds thought Alonso was too much to give up for Oakland closer Andrew Bailey.

    Send Rafael Soriano packing to the Reds for Alonso, and my day is made!

  90. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    LGY-
    Is the .232 BA against righties, a regression for Swisher, or him just swinging from the heels, aiming for the short porch in RF?

  91. blake November 25th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    The only option mentioned that’s better than Swisher is Beltran……and that would only make sense if he’d sign a short term deal and if you could get something useful for Swisher in a trade.

    Trader,

    Yikes….for some reason I thought Soriano only had two years left.

  92. GreenBeret7 November 25th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Soriano is signed with NYYs until 2013. $26 mil left. Would have to pay about $12-16 Mil to unload him, I’d guess.

  93. blake November 25th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    “Send Rafael Soriano packing to the Reds for Alonso, and my day is made!”

    They wouldn’t do that…….but maybe they could work something out where thethird Reds get a closer and a decent starter ……..the As get Alonzo and some prospects……and the Yanks get Gio?

    My best Chip impersonation :

    Yanks get : Gio Gonzalez
    Reds get: Andrew Bailey and Noesi.
    As get: Alonzo , Betances, Romine.

    Yanks get their #2, Reds get a closer and guy that can immediately go into the rotation, and the As get an upside bat, an upside, starter, and an upside catcher.

    Its a lot to give on the Yanks side…..and the As would have to go in full rebuild mode……but Id consider it.

  94. Yankee Trader November 25th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Would like to stay and chat some more, but have to go. Interesting proposals.

    Maybe we’ll see some more action at the winter meetings in Dallas.

    My predictions on the major FA’s, all subject to change at the drop of a hat:
    Pujols-Cardinals
    Fielder-Cubs
    Reyes-Marlins
    Wilson-Angels unless the Angels acquire Aramis Ramirez.

    Good day everyone. Welcome to come to my home for leftovers.

  95. Giuseppe Franco November 25th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    I don’t think Gonzalez is worth Romine, Betances, and Noesi.

  96. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    -BERET7-
    Instead of Stubbs, I’d go with Maybin of SD. Stubbs has got Mabin in the power dept, but Maybin has that Mickey Rivers explosiveness to him when it comes to igniting an offense. I like both players, but there is something extra special about Maybin.

  97. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    I would like to sign Buehrle

  98. blake November 25th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    “I don’t think Gonzalez is worth Romine, Betances, and Noesi.”

    That’s fair …..but id do that

  99. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Alonso is not worth a closer, (Bailey) or a late inning set-up guy (Soriano). Alonso is a man without a position due to his being a butcher wherever you stick the guy. Fulltime DH maybe, but the Yanks do not want a full-time DH. The Reds are trying to inflate his value with the rumor of their rejecting Bailey for him, but I would have to hear it outta the Rocks to believe that story. I think the Reds would jump at getting rid of a guy without a position for Bailey.

  100. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    NO WAY I give up 2 promising young SP’s, (Betances and Noesi) and a future C, for the unproven Gio. You guys gotta be half asleep from the Turkey.

  101. blake November 25th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Id like Buerle too…..but not at the prices I’ve heard thrown around. 2 years max….

    GF, and im not saying your wrong…..it is a lot to give (id especially hate to part with Noesi) but its something id still probably do.

    If I could get Danks a lot cheaper or get Wilson or Buerle on reasonable contracts then id probably prefer that.

  102. blake November 25th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    When was Gio unproven again? He’s roughly the same age as both Betances and Noesi and is already established in the big leagues. Those two are the unproven ones……and I like them both particulary Noesi.

  103. blake November 25th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Gio Gonzalez is 25…..and has two straight 200 IP , 170+Ks, and sub 3.30 Era seasons……and he’s left handed. You can say ballpark and division were factors……ill still take those numbers over AA and AAA numbers at nearly the same age.

  104. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    I do not consider Gio “established”, just as I do not consider Hughes established. The trade as outlined kinda reminds me of that disaster the Yanks did with Balt involving the young Dempsey and Scotty McGreggor.

  105. blake November 25th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Do you consider Betances and Noesi as Established?

  106. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Unfortunately – Nationals and Marlins are going to drive prices up for FA pitchers to crazy amounts – here is hoping Nats get stuck with Edwin Jackson to go along w/ the terrible Werth contract. Would not be surprised to see Buehrle wind up w/ Ozzie or back w/ Chi Sox.

    Do you sign Garcia 2.0 in Oswalt to a one year contract and let Oswalt, Garcia, Burnett, Hughes, Nova, and Noesi figure things out in ST. . . .

  107. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Do not like that Gonzales is fly ball/high bb pitcher so far in his career – BUT fastball/slider combo is intriguing. Beane wants a Haren type return – meaning he is looking for a Carlos Gonzales and Brett Anderson type return (plus additional prospects) from us.

  108. Giuseppe Franco November 25th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    The walk totals from Gonzalez bother me. Pitching in Oakland will save a pitcher a ton of runs.

    And outside of Texas, no other offense in that division really scares anyone.

    The competition comparison would be like going from the Big East to the SEC in college football.

  109. blake November 25th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    There are warts with Gio …..but at 25 he’s likely not a finished product and you’d have 4 years of control with him. Ballpark factors and leagues are often overstated……its all still the big leagues. If you coukd get him and keep your best 2 prospects then id think about it for sure.

  110. Jerkface November 25th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    High walk rate flyball pitcher moving to a bunch of parks where flyballs = HRs and patient offenses, no thanks.

  111. blake November 25th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    “The competition comparison would be like going from the Big East to the SEC in college football.”

    That’s a big overstatement IMO

  112. blake November 25th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    JF,

    Sometimes I think peripheral stuff blinds to the actual production in front of you…..all Im saying is that I think he’s got a chance to improve the walk rate at his age. Wouldn’t give Montero for him……Id give a fair offer though

  113. Jerkface November 25th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Ok if the Yankees could get away with not including Montero then they can bring in Gonzalez, but I don’t think they can. Thus I don’t want him.

  114. blake November 25th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    JF,

    I agree with that..

  115. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Andruw Jones 2.0 (aka Marcus Thames 3.0)

    Former top prospect Lastings Milledge is putting together a formidable season with the Aragua Tigres in an effort to parlay his performance into a spring training invite.

    Through 27 games this winter, Milledge is batting .324 with 10 doubles in 105 at-bats and a .387 on-base percentage and is among the league leaders in total bases and slugging.

    Milledge arrived in Venezuela early to join Aragua’s workouts and has since been the cornerstone of the Tigres’ offense and the go-to guy for Aragua manager Buddy Bailey, who manages Daytona — the Chicago Cubs’ Class A affiliate in the Florida State League.

  116. Villa Nova-Ya November 25th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    What confuses me is when pitchers the Yankees already have walk too many people, or are fly ball pitchers, most are anxious to get rid of them; so why would a pitcher from another team with the same problems be desirable?

    If the Yankees aren’t to be trusted to “fix” their own, why should they be able to “fix” someone else’s pitcher?

    If we’re willing to be patient (4 years worth) with a Gio who has issues, why can’t we be patient with a Hughes, or similar?

    The problem is, and I do understand there is probably no perfect pitcher out there for the Yankees to acquire, but the cost in either money or players is too high in most cases for what IS out there.

  117. blake November 25th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    “What confuses me is when pitchers the Yankees already have walk too many people, or are fly ball pitchers, most are anxious to get rid of them; so why would a pitcher from another team with the same problems be desirable?”

    Which pitcher on the Yankees (aside from CC) has had back to back seasons as good as Gio Gonzalez? I’m not anxious to get rid of Hughes and I hope they don’t……but he only has two years left until free agency….not 4

  118. champ809 November 25th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Newsalert!!!!

    Ca$h is not going to acquire Gio Gonzalez nor John Danks 2 the ridiculous prices that most on here are willing to accept just for the sake of saying that “we did a deal’.

    Bettances, Noesi ans Romine for Gio is a terrible trade even for a Dynasty FANTASY team!

    Question what is Gio’s career era and fip AWAy from the coliseum in OAK?

    Answer; it’s a 4+….he’s a good young pitcher and I wouldn’t mind trading for him however not @ the cost of Montero or Banuelos or Bettances…. the team control increases his value certainly but it doesn’t convert him from the #3 starter in championship ‘ro that he currently is into an ace pitcher.

    Maybe the Yanks end up with a deal for Danks & Thornton that sends Noesi/Romine and Laird to Chicago which would be very fair considering that we shore up 2 need spots trading from our team depth with the White Sox getting very good upside in all 3 players and all are ML ready right now.

  119. Villa Nova-Ya November 25th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    blake -

    I’m talking about any issues of pitchers the Yankees already control. No one seems to have patience for what we already have. I’m not responding to your posts particularly, but with the overall sentiment that seems to be here at this time of year. I don’t know if Gio Gonzalez would be successful in NY or not. He has put together a couple of nice years for Oakland. But you cannot discount his home ballpark as a factor and you can’t disregard his numbers in stadiums that he would be pitching in (YS especially) where his particular style could be a problem.

    If the cost is reasonable, maybe. But the cost is not reasonable for the risk. If they can get him without giving up too much, maybe. But I don’t see that he’s that much better than what the Yankees already have, except he’s got some experience. And 4 years is too long. And if he’s no good (see AJ Burnett), you’re stuck with him, no? Or you’re trading him for less than what you gave up to get him.

    I don’t know what the Yankees will end up doing. Whatever they do, I’m sure they will do their due diligence and factor in the risks and costs and then cross their fingers.

  120. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    -BLAKE-
    Give it up. Your like a car saleman trying to sell one of those exploding Pintos.

  121. Phranchise November 25th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Even as much as everyone is now in love with Gio, I am always skeptical of pitchers coming from that park. Also is Kenny Williams this bad… really? He traded this kid how many times?

    Traded to Phillies in Thome deal
    Traded back to White Sox for Freddy Garcia
    Traded to A’s for Swisher

    Bill Beane will want the moon for this kid and no way do I see paying it. What is he really a #1, 2, 3 maybe a 4 on a good team. I haven’t a clue. Never piched under pressure and nothing screams him being a 1 or 2 for me, so how much would you want to give up for him?

  122. tucker November 25th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    It’s possible the Yanks will just go with their existing staff: CC, Nova, AJ, Garcia and Hughes/Noesi.

    It could be a transition year for AJ. Seems like he came to grips with his diminishing velocity last year, and he made adjustments that made him successful toward the end of the season, including a big playoff start. If he continues his improvements this year in learning how to pitch rather than just throwing, he may be better. Next year is a contract-drive year, so there may be added incentive for him.

    I still see the inconsistent offense as the bigger issue for this team. Montero will help the offense. Swisher puts up good numbers over a season, but his success is limited against pitchers with plus command and/or velocity. Tex is a problem, too. Hope he can figure out his issues from the left side.

  123. tucker November 25th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    For AJ, next year refers to 2013. He next season (2012) may continue to be a transition year for him.

  124. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Whatever the appraisal of Gio may be, I do NOT give up 2 promising, young, cheap, SP’s, And a future Catcher for him. Your overpaying for a player with Very limited experience, and one who has Never pitched inna playoff fight.

  125. Gary November 25th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    tucker November 25th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
    It’s possible the Yanks will just go with their existing staff: CC, Nova, AJ, Garcia and Hughes/Noesi.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Sure if they want an early exit.

  126. Phranchise November 25th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    When Banuelos could potentially be Gio, but is 6 years or so younger, no way do you start throwing those type guys in there for him. Montero. I mean how many hitters have we seen recently with his potential that doesn’t seem intimidated by the limelight and in NY. Those two seem to have the demeanor and skill set to be huge for us going forward. I much prefer making a play for Buerhle or even signing Wilson for what might be a bad deal before making a trade for some of our high end prospects here.

  127. tucker November 25th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    I’d take my chances with the existing rotation rather than giving up Montero for a young starter such as Gio Gonzalez. Lack of offense led to their first-round playoff ouster, not poor pitching. The teams that advanced to the World Series both had superior offenses and mediocre or decent pitching.

  128. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Just get The Pachinko Kid and hang onto the kids. Maybe the Yanks use ‘em in the course of the 2012 season, maybe they deal 1 or both come July 31 .As for now and Gio, No Way.

  129. blake November 25th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Donny,

    You like metaphors don’t you.

    Champ,

    I bet Cash would do Betances, Romine, and Noesi for Gio……and I bet Beane wouldn’t.

    I wouldn’t trade Montero for anybody that’s been mentioned this offseason as being available……there are only a handful of players I would trade him for period.

  130. blake November 25th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    What if the Pachino kid busts and the Yanks are on the hook for 15 million bucks a year…..

  131. blake November 25th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    “Whatever the appraisal of Gio may be, I do NOT give up 2 promising, young, cheap, SP’s, And a future Catcher for him. Your overpaying for a player with Very limited experience, and one who has Never pitched inna playoff fight.”

    I can understand that position……however Im more willing to give up young cheap minor league talent for young cheap big league talent than I am for older players……..just making conversation

  132. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Pachinko Kid busting and the Yanks being out $15 Mill per, would be far better than losing cheap, young, promising players. IF, your gonna trade players with this kinda promise, you gotta get a Hamels, or a Lee, etc.

  133. tucker November 25th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    I’d be willing to give up Betances and Romine for Danks. Romine seems like a decent defensive catcher but nothing special offensively. Betances may be a stud, or he may never stick in the majors. He certainly has the tools.

  134. Jerkface November 25th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    I would trade Romine for Gio. Romine has too many questions offensively to hold onto him hell or highwater.

  135. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    Lastings Milledge could be a buy low option. I had wondered where he went. If the scouts like what they see of him in Japan, he could fit in well as a 4th OF. He bats righty and can play all three OF positions. He has always been toolsy but has makeup issues. The question is, can he finally put it all together?

  136. 108 stitches November 25th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Mark Buehrle had expressed an interest in retiring after the 2011 season but as he approached free agency, his agent must have convinced him that at his age (33 when the 2012 season starts) he had some good baseball still in his left arm. A consistent 200 innings and quality starts and no losing seasons is what he brings plus a perfect game under his belt. It’s up to Cashman to offer a 2 or 3 year deal in the area of $15MM per. If he’s rumored to listening to the Marlins, it’s just as far away from the midwest as New York. No guarantees of no injuries before the 7/31 trading deadline and the Yankees would still have the trading chips to use to get whatever is needed for pitching or position players.

  137. blake November 25th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    Hamels would be a rental…..if Im trading that young cheap talent I want multiple years back.

    Betances and Romine is steep for Danks IMO …..and I’ve talked about getting him more than anybody…….it might take that though.

  138. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Romine right now, looks a lot like Rick Dempsey did before the Yanks mistakenly dealt him ANd Scotty McGreggor. You gotta be careful when you deal multiple young players, especially if you deal them within your own league. The Yanks were haunted with the Balt. deal for several seasons. They also got burned big time by trading Multiple youngsters for Rickey Henderson. Rickey was great, but the Yanks went nowhere, while the A’s were flying high.

  139. blake November 25th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    15 million per year is a awful lot for Buerle for me……I know everyone likes him because he’s safe……but I think they have enough 3s and 4s already. If they can’t add a legit 2 to slot behind CC then they should just stand pat for nowto IMO.

  140. tucker November 25th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Does anybody know what the penalty is for a team that exceeds the international-signing cap? That seems to take away a major competitive advantage away from the Yanks. That, combined with he limited amount they can spend on the draft, will make it difficult for the team to flex its financial muscle. Also, the luxury tax penalty rises to 50 cents for every $1 over the cap. I see the Yanks becoming a lot more conservative in taking on bad money contracts such as Alfonso Soriano.

  141. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Agree on Hamels, but I’m using him as an example of the caliber of player you need in return for the 3 players being discussed.

  142. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    2 years 30 million is just fine for me w/ Buehrle – veteran lefty with postseason success – a little Pettitte there

  143. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank November 25th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    No penalty on Japanese signings… I have no idea why…
    All else is 75%? Over cap..

  144. blake November 25th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    “Agree on Hamels, but I’m using him as an example of the caliber of player you need in return for the 3 players being discussed.”

    Yea but I think that Gio would be an appropriate return for those 3…..I’m not saying you’re wrong…..I just don’t agree. If I could get Gio and keep Montero and Banuelos then I’d like that.

    Stone,

    they didn’t even give Andy Petitte 15 million a year to be Andy Pettite. I like Buerle and if they could get him for 2/30 I’d probably say go ahead…..I think it’ll take more years than that though.

  145. blake November 25th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    EWIW…….Bowden just said that he keeps hearing that Wilson is the Yankee’s #1 target and that he believes they’ll make a big bid on him at some point. If cash could get him for 15 million per for 4 or 5 years…..then I think maybe he’d play there. I don’t know how I’d feel about it though….

  146. blake November 25th, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Anyone else think it’s kinda pathetic that they couldn’t come up with an original nickname for Aaron Rodgers…..Arod has been taken twice already.

  147. tucker November 25th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Then the Yanks need to spend their money in international scouting to sign the kids when they are unheralded teenagers. The restrictions on signing amateur talent – whether international or domestic — seems ridiculous. Perhaps more top-flight Latin America talent will play in Japan rather than MLB.

  148. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    they didn’t even give Andy Petitte 15 million a year to be Andy Pettite

    i believe Andy’s 2006 season was at 16 million – in 2007 w/ a 2008 option for 16 million – and that was Andy at 34-35ish – Buehrle will be 32 and has remained healthy throughout his career – unlike Andy

  149. blake November 25th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    When Andy was that age though he was striking out 150 a year and he had the playoff history and experience in NY….plus he was a home grown guy. Like I said, like Buehrle but he’s not a 15 million per year guy

  150. blake November 25th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Andy’s last couple of years they gave him 1 year deals for like 11 million or so…..

  151. tucker November 25th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    Blake, I don’t see the Yanks signing CJ unless they find a way to move AJ. It’s possible the Yanks are driving up the price tag for the Angels, Rangers or any other team interested in CJ.

  152. blake November 25th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    The Nationals or somebody will give Buerle a 4 year deal

  153. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    blake November 25th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
    Andy’s last couple of years they gave him 1 year deals for like 11 million or so…..

    **********

    That was older Andy w/ injury concerns and age – Buehrle is still only 32ish – more in line w/ Andy original 2007 contract. Just saying that it does not shock me that Buehrle is asking for 15 million – and is actually worth that much – especially given what the likes of A.J., Lackey and 2007 Andy received.

  154. blake November 25th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    tucker,

    yea I don’t know…..I don’t think they’ll go anywhere near 100 million but at the right price I could see them signing him. I think they’ll try to move AJ behind the scenes.

  155. blake November 25th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    One thing if the Yankees did sign Buerle is that he wouldn’t have to pitch against them anymore as they have destroyed him over the years. 1-8 with an ERA over 6 against the Yanks in his career.

  156. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    C.J. has very nice numbers against the Red Sox – but I fear he would be destroyed by his former teams with the likes of Cruz, Napoli, Beltre, and Kinsler all righties looking to tee off.

  157. raymagnetic November 25th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    If I see Betances’ name in one more trade proposal I’ll scream.

    Trading Betances who is just about ready for prime time for a Danks caliber of pitcher would be foolish.

    You don’t trade sideways, you trade up. If you’re gonna trade a guy who can anchor your rotation for years to come you better be getting an anchor back and not a guy who’s coming off an injury and the worse season of a downtrending career.

  158. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    From Chicago paper:

    What has become apparent is that the Sox made a small miscalculation on what the market for Buehrle would be like. According to a source, the Sox thought that there would be five or six teams interested in him and that a two-year deal would get it done.

    Well, the Miami Marlins, Washington Nationals, New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Toronto Blue Jays, Minnesota Twins, Texas Rangers, Kansas City Royals, Arizona Diamondbacks, St. Louis Cardinals and even the Cubs have given them a reality check. The list of interested teams continues to grow, and several three-year offers have come in already.

    [MORE FROM SAME ARTICLE]

    ‘Things just don’t faze him,’’ Thornton said of Buehrle. ‘‘I mean, in the clubhouse, we can be in the heat of a pennant chase, and he acts exactly the same. He’s been in the most pressure-packed situations — a perfect game, a no-hitter, starting a game in the World Series, saving a game in the World Series. There is no market value for that on what Mark can do.’’

    As far as a comment from the Buehrle camp, agent Jeff Berry said via text Thursday that he wants to stay mum. Makes sense, considering Buehrle is 32 and is set to make what might be his last big payday with this deal.

  159. blake November 25th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    “As far as a comment from the Buehrle camp, agent Jeff Berry said via text Thursday that he wants to stay mum. Makes sense, considering Buehrle is 32 and is set to make what might be his last big payday with this deal.”

    doesn’t sound like a guy looking for a 2 year deal…..

  160. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    The best thing you can say about Buehrle is that he is dependable. That oughtta tell ya somethin’.

  161. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
    The best thing you can say about Buehrle is that he is dependable. That oughtta tell ya somethin’.

    ********

    I like that things don’t faze him – you know – like punching a cameraman on the street on the way to the press conference like some other lefthanders out there w/ better careers. . . . .

  162. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Marlins and Nats will take over this market w/ Werth type contracts to pitchers – just my guess

  163. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    Unfortunately we already handed out our Werth type contracts to other FAs in the past

  164. blake November 25th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    “Marlins and Nats will take over this market w/ Werth type contracts to pitchers – just my guess”

    he makes a ton of sense for the Nats. They have the money to spend and he’d be a solid guy to put in there with their youngsters. Strausburg, Buerle, and Zimmerman would be a very good front 3 assuming that Strausburg stayed healthy and live up to the hype.

  165. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    I can definitely see Nats going four years – but would they go to a fifth year for Mark?? Perhaps. . . .

  166. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Buehrle in the AL is now nothing more than an innings eater. The Yanks need a 2 or 3 slot SP, not merely an innings eater. In the NL, he can pitch around the few hitters inna lineup and win 17 games without breaking a sweat. $$$ and years being close to equal, he goes NL.

  167. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
    Buehrle in the AL is now nothing more than an innings eater. The Yanks need a 2 or 3 slot SP, not merely an innings eater. In the NL, he can pitch around the few hitters inna lineup and win 17 games without breaking a sweat. $$$ and years being close to equal, he goes NL.

    ***********

    That innings eater had a 3.59 ERA last year and only 45 bbs in 200 + innings – plus had some decent games against two tough AL East lineups w/ Toronto and Boston in 2011. Works quickly – tries to keep ball on the ground – lefty – still early 30s -

  168. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    Many more Hits than IP= NL Bound

  169. blake November 25th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    He’s more than just an innings eater….he’s very solid which makes him appealing…..but is he the type of difference maker that the Yankees are looking for in a potential playoff series? I’m not so sure…..he’s more of a regular season marathon type sign and I don’t think they really need that all that much…..they just got one of those in Sweaty Freddy (for a lot cheaper)

  170. blake November 25th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Buerle’s peripherals have always been mediocre…..peripherals don’t tell the whole tale…..he gets guys out and has for a long time…..I just don’t see him as a difference maker for a team like the Yankees that’s most likely already going to make the playoffs. Now…..he would be perfect for Boston if they wanted to shell out the dough to sign him.

  171. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    BOSOX HOT FOR GIO

    Gio Gonzalez is one of the best young left-handed pitchers in baseball. It only makes sense that there would be plenty of teams across both leagues who would love to have him in their rotation.
    It sounds like the Red Sox are one of those teams.

    ESPN.com’s Gordon Edes reports that the Red Sox are “extremely high” on Gonzalez, and he is a “name that has been widely discussed internally by the team.”

    However, Gonzalez, who is still under contract with the Oakland Athletics, likely won’t come cheap. In fact, the Miami Herald recently reported that in initial talks with the Miami Marlins, the A’s were asking for either Mike Stanton or Logan Morrison in exchange for Gonzalez. ESPN’s Buster Olney later reported that Morrison wasn’t part of talks and that Stanton was untouchable (understandably so), but it’s clear that Gonzalez won’t come cheap.

    In his first two full seasons as a starter for the A’s, the 26-year-old has been a workhorse. He’s thrown more than 200 innings in each of his last two seasons, posting a 31-21 record to go along with a 3.17 ERA. He does struggle with command, however, walking 92 and 91 batters in the last two years respectively.

    ************

    I wonder if those weasels are driving up the price on the Yankees. They simply don’t have the prospects to land Gio.

  172. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    As I said, the Yanks need a 2 or 3 Slotter. That aint Buehrle. Buehrle can probably getta 4 yr deal in the NL. I don’t see an AL team going 4 yrs onna SP that is already giving up more Hits than IP.

  173. blake November 25th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    I would guess Boston really does like Gio…..I don’t think they have the players to acquire him though without it affecting the big league roster. If the Sox could get him with minor leaguers……then the price is low enough where Cashman should be in

  174. tomingeorgia November 25th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    GB7, if you should be around,
    Interesting article you might like: http://www.military.com/news/a.....ot-it.html

  175. blake November 25th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Middlebrooks is about their only guy even resembling a top prospect

  176. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Who is cost controlled on their major league roster? Reddick? The Red Sox aren’t a threat but if I’m Billy Beane I’d try to get them involved just to spook the Yankees. If the Yankees add Gonzalez to the rotation, they increase their spending power for a big bat because Gonzalez is so cheap. It would be interesting to see how the Yankees spend the savings.

  177. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Boston really doesn’t concern me. Toronto has more going for it than the R\Sox. Gio to the R\Sox? So what? After the Lackey debacle, I would think they would be treading extremely lightly concerning a pitcher with the mlieage Buehrle has on him.

  178. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    I suspect the Garcia signing eliminates Buerhle as a target. Both are mid-bottom rotation starters.

  179. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    After the Lackey debacle, I would think they would be treading extremely lightly concerning a pitcher with the mlieage Buehrle has on him.

    **********

    Lackey was already injured once before coming to the Sox – the Sox even had a provision of the contract that if Lackey missed anytime due to significant arm injury they get him for an additional season for league minimum. Buehrle on the other hand – there is NO objective evidence to suggest he is the same injury risk as Lackey. He has been as durable as Sabathia over a similar period.

  180. blake November 25th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    “I suspect the Garcia signing eliminates Buerhle as a target. Both are mid-bottom rotation starters.”

    I think Buerhle is better than Freddy…..but if you look at their numbers from the last 2 years the difference isn’t nearly as much as it would seem and Buerhle isn’t signing a 1 year deal for 4 million plus incentives.

  181. blake November 25th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    I am still shocked that the Red Sox gave Lackey that contract…..that was the worst decision of Theo’s tenure by far and pretty much everyone could see it from day 1….

  182. blake November 25th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    I hope Arkansas beats LSU….not because I like Arkansas but because I love to see BCS chaos

  183. Giuseppe Franco November 25th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    The RS can be as hot after Gonzalez as they want to, but Beane isn’t going to get fleeced, so they are sh!t out of luck.

    I don’t like the idea of signing Wilson to a long term deal.

    I was adamantly against the Burnett signing in 2008/09 and targeting Wilson gives me that same woosy feeling.

    Unfortunately, my fears of Burnett turned out to be dead on (although, I must admit, he’s been far more durable than I expected – which doesn’t say much for him since he’s produced those numbers while healthy).

    Danks would be a good fit – at the right price. Not crazy about Buehrle, but he’s at least stable. I wouldn’t give him anything beyond a 2 year deal.

  184. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Yea. Bring on a legitimate Playoff System.

  185. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    blake November 25th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
    I am still shocked that the Red Sox gave Lackey that contract…..that was the worst decision of Theo’s tenure by far and pretty much everyone could see it from day 1….

    ********

    Very likely – but Matt Clement was terrible though only 3 years I think. Renteria did not do him any favors – and Crawford could be very interesting (who would have thought in year one – I thought maybe in year four of the SEVEN year deal he would start to show some slippage).

    My favorite still is how the John Smoltz and Brad Penny signings were hailed as generationally inspired – but turned out total failures – AND then Cashman does the same thing w/ Colon and Garcia – everyone pans him and they turn out to a nice triumph.

  186. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Al the Yanks need is a starting staff comprised of AJ, Freddy, Buehrle. Nuff said.

  187. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    I would be fine w/ A.J. if he had his 2009 season each year – I could live with that. I am still bitter about the Benjie Molina HR in game four of the 2010 ALCS – it is one of those moments you knew it was going to happen – and not just because TBS jinxed it with highlights of Molina’s hits/HRs against the Yankees in past playoffs.

  188. blake November 25th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Theo isn’t the greatest at the whole free agent thing

  189. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    That was ALL Girardi. Bonehead move with the intentional walk of Murphy.

  190. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
    Al the Yanks need is a starting staff comprised of AJ, Freddy, Buehrle. Nuff said.

    ********

    For the regular season – it is a lot better than what we had in 2011 – two guys with sub 4.00 ERA’s in the AL – some innings eaters – Buehrle’s not a mental headcase – add in a little Nova and an ACE like Sabathia – plus a farm system still stocked. . . . all depends on Mark’s price – which may turn out prohibitive.

  191. austinmac November 25th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    The Post reports the White Sox reportedly like Betances but not as the centerpiece of a deal. Beane wants Stanton for Gio. Pitchers will be very expensive in a trade. I don’t see it happening anywhere near these prices.

  192. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
    That was ALL Girardi. Bonehead move with the intentional walk of Murphy.

    **********

    Girardi pulled the strings – but it was still A.J. who delivered the pitch. Both culpable in my book. . . .

  193. Giuseppe Franco November 25th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    With or without adding a good starter, the Yanks aren’t going to spend big money on a bat when there is no fit for a Pujols, Fielder, or Reyes.

    Why do some people lust and salivate over bats on the current market and then toss Montero (someone who DOES fit their needs as a C and DH) in every trade scenario?

    That doesn’t make a damn bit of sense.

    Keep your own stud bat instead of spending $100M+ for someone who DOESN’T fit their needs.

  194. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    austinmac November 25th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
    The Post reports the White Sox reportedly like Betances but not as the centerpiece of a deal. Beane wants Stanton for Gio. Pitchers will be very expensive in a trade. I don’t see it happening anywhere near these prices.

    **********

    Agreed – either Cashman finds something fair – looks at FA – or goes value/bargain shopping again in winterball. . . .

  195. Giuseppe Franco November 25th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    People need to keep in mind that ALL prices are high now.

    As the offseason progresses and ST becomes closer and closer, prices will go down.

  196. austinmac November 25th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    Guiseppe,

    I think most believe Montero will hit. His value to the Yankees is greatly increased if he has a position. If he can catch 1/3 of the games and DH most of the others he has great value. If he cannot catch, he will be sit on the bench 1/3 of the games as others need to DH.

  197. blake November 25th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Kenny Williams knows that if he wants to move Danks he’s going to need to be reasonable given that he’ll make significant money in arbitration, he’s a rental, and he’s coming off a down season……he can ask whatever he wants…..but if he wants to move him he’ll have to be reasonable and he usually is.

  198. blake November 25th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    “Why do some people lust and salivate over bats on the current market and then toss Montero (someone who DOES fit their needs as a C and DH) in every trade scenario?”

    I haven’t read Montero’s name in a trade proposal all day…..I think he’s the one guy most yankee fans are in agreement on not trading.

  199. Villa Nova-Ya November 25th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    Giuseppe Franco -

    I have to laugh about AJ, because at the time, all the concerns were whether he’d stay healthy. And now, well, many have wished he’d have missed a few starts. ;)

    Cashman can afford to wait. The Yankees certainly could use another lefty starter, but they are not desperate at all.

  200. blake November 25th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    If Williams would reduce the prospect price with the inclusion of Thornton then I think that would be great for the Yanks…..you get the LH starter…..you get the LH reliever…..and the hope would be you wouldn’t have to give up a ton to get them. Thornton is expensive but at least he’s pretty good.

    That would knock about 13 or 14 million off the White Sox payroll for next year

  201. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    -STONEY-
    Point is, that matchup shoulda never happened. Go to the pen, and go lefty-lefty vs Murphy, and then go righty-righty if Murphy is pinch hit for. Yanks had to have that game. No time to mess around with AJ.

  202. tucker November 25th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    For Montero, the question may be whether Girardi can withstand seeing Montero catch. He has to allow Montero learn the position during games.

  203. blake November 25th, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Cashman needs to take it out of Girardi’s hands……tell him listen Montero is going to catch some and just deal with it…

  204. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    If Darvish is posted, prices will go UP, not down. What WILL go down is the quality of a pitcher that a GM gets for his dollar or players dealt. The earlier a GM gets into the pool, the better bang for his buck he’s gonna get. Very limited Supply and great demand = “he who hesitates is lost”.

  205. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
    -STONEY-
    Point is, that matchup shoulda never happened. Go to the pen, and go lefty-lefty vs Murphy, and then go righty-righty if Murphy is pinch hit for. Yanks had to have that game. No time to mess around with AJ.

    *********

    I guess – idk – does Boone get Murphy?? Still have Burnett against Molina – A.J. bears some responsibility.

    Series was already in jeopardy in inning one of game two – the double steal in that first inning – you could see the wheels – and if Andy was not injured – he starts that game two – maybe things are different – idk – Lewis was great in those playoffs. . . .

  206. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    I’m gettin’ kinda tired of hearing about players “learning” at the Major League level. Whether it be mastering a position, how to run the bases etc., these guys are supposed to be somewhat polished\knowledgeable by the time they are playing onna somewhat regular basis in the Majors. What the hell are the minor league coaches teaching these guys? How to attack the spread after the game?

  207. tucker November 25th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Blake, my sense is there are a lot of decisions made that way. I’d love to see what’s written on Girardi’s trusty index cards.

  208. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    blake November 25th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
    Cashman needs to take it out of Girardi’s hands……tell him listen Montero is going to catch some and just deal with it…

    **********

    That will be a very interesting storyline – b/c Montero does not appear to be Girardi’s idea of a catcher – he loves Cisco per the WFAN interview

  209. blake November 25th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    Girardi was a glove first guy…..he probably has pretty strict standards as to what’s he feels is acceptable and what’s not defensively behind the plate. However…..they need to let the kid catch and see if he can do it. He doesn’t have to do it full time….and I’m not sure that would be best anyway. He just needs to catch enough so that other guys can get some DH days and so that they can keep his bat in the lineup every day.

  210. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    I have not laughed this HARD in a while:

    It doesn’t appear the Sox are an easy, perfect match in that manner, but perhaps the likes of Ryan Kalish, Lars Anderson and Garin Checchini will interest GM Billy Beane.

    The Red Sox also have shortstop Jose Iglesias, an elite glove, and third baseman Will Middlebrooks may be the club’s very best bait. There’s also infielder Kolbrin Vitek, shortstop Xander Bogaerts and second baseman Oscar Tejada, as well as pitchers such as Drake Britton and Anthony Ranaudo.

    If the Sox included Middlebrooks in a package, the Athletics may have to consider a Red Sox offer. Of course, the Sox aren’t the only club intrigued by Gonzalez, so Beane can play suitors against one another, and they absolutely don’t have to trade Gonzalez, who won’t become pricey for another year.

  211. blake November 25th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Stone,

    who wrote that? Middlebrooks is their only legit prospect above the lower levels. Kalish? Lars Anderson? Enrique Iglesias? please…..Jed Hoyer doesn’t work for the A’s

  212. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Girardi didn’t even know that his pitching coach was getting fired a season ago. He’s Helen Keller inna baseball uni. The starting lineup\Montero Catching, Cashman can control, and remove Girardi from the equation which I believe he does when necessary. In-game stuff usually happens too fast, meaning Girardi has to make the call, which is why we had the Molina Mess.

  213. tucker November 25th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    Kalish may be a big leaguer, but he’s a question mark coming off injury. Perhaps the writer of this article has not been told that when it comes to Boston’s farm system, the emperor has no clothes.

  214. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    It was on ESPN Rumors page – oh I needed a good laugh today. I am going back there when I need to read something funny – it is so outlandish our outdated their info. . . .

  215. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
    Girardi didn’t even know that his pitching coach was getting fired a season ago. He’s Helen Keller inna baseball uni. The starting lineup\Montero Catching, Cashman can control, and remove Girardi from the equation which I believe he does when necessary. In-game stuff usually happens too fast, meaning Girardi has to make the call, which is why we had the Molina Mess.

    *********

    The Eiland thing was brewing for a while – and Girardi’s MO with A.J. before late 2011 was the Molina situation – he only now acts preemptively before he sees a meltdown. But make no mistake – Burnett shares the blame as well – just like Hughes shares the blame for the meatball to Vlad in game six or Sabathia for the three run homerun to Hamilton in game one in the first inning (even though we came back).

  216. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Jon Heyman of SI.com says Freddy Garcia’s deal with the Yankees guarantees the right-hander $4MM and includes incentives (Twitter link). Garcia pitched for a $1.5MM base salary this past season but earned a raise with 146 2/3 innings of 3.62 ERA ball.

    ***********

    What Heyman and others do not applaud Garcia for is the affect he had on Ivan Nova – he would throw with Nova before games – Nova credits Garcia for much of his development this year – clubhouse presence – stuff you do not see in the stats – the IP versus BBs versus Hits allowed – welcome back Freddy!

  217. Bret The Hitman November 25th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Remove Girardi from the equation?

    :lol:

  218. blake November 25th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Freddy gave them a discount too…..he could have gotten more elsewhere

  219. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    SI_JonHeyman Yu darvish still seen as more likely than not to post, but nothings expected to be decided for a couple more weeks

    ***********

    If this guy is taking so long to decide with his daddy holding his hand and serving as his mouthpiece to the media – I am thinking he might not have the character to succeed in New York. . . .

  220. BTX November 25th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    If you listed to Girardi’s 1 hour studio session with Fatcessa last week… he already said that Montero is going to have to catch next year and wants to spread the DH out more. He sounded very high on him actually.

    I just don’t think he is comfortable with Alex playing a lot at 3rd, regardless of how good he looks when he does play the field. Also mentioned how he wants to get Nunez more ABs next year and Jeter/Cano more DH days.

  221. BTX November 25th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    The interview is archived I’m sure… YES or WFAN sites

  222. blake November 25th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    hard to not be high on Montero after seeing that bat speed in September…..

  223. blake November 25th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    on MLB.com they have prospect rankings for 2012. Of the top 10 catching prospects…..3 of them are Yankees. 1 (Montero), 3 (Sanchez), 6 (Romine)

  224. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    BTX November 25th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
    If you listed to Girardi’s 1 hour studio session with Fatcessa last week… he already said that Montero is going to have to catch next year and wants to spread the DH out more. He sounded very high on him actually.

    *********

    I have to go back and listen again – b/c i remember Girardi saying Montero is going to have to catch some games b/c he wants a diverse DH situation (he mentioned Cano twice about wanting to give him time of – unsolicited) – when asked about whether Montero could catch I thought I remember saying I believe/think so – but I do not remember him being “very high” – he said Romine can be a big league catcher – and Cisco could start in the majors.

  225. yanks 27 November 25th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Girardi is the eternal optimist anyway – he isn’t going to say anything except good things about Montero’s catching prowess.

  226. yanks 27 November 25th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Bottom line – If we’re not going to trade Montero OR anything from the ML roster (Gardner/Swisher/Nunez along with some of our arms), we’re not going to get much.

    I don’t think GMs are going to risk getting a Betances as a centerpiece of a deal for anything good. Danks perhaps because he is in the last year of his deal.

    But I don’t think a Betances, Romine, Phelps package gets you much at all.

    Now, Gardner, Nunez, and some of the arms will get you somewhere. Swisher in the right package could too – but he is a rental for some team.

  227. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    blake November 25th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
    on MLB.com they have prospect rankings for 2012. Of the top 10 catching prospects…..3 of them are Yankees. 1 (Montero), 3 (Sanchez), 6 (Romine)

    *******

    This only tells part of the story – there is also Murphy and Tejeda who are now on the radar.

    Now Valera played a bit more than Tejeda at some points in the playoffs – so that might also tell us something about Valera’s progression. And then there is de Oleo who might stateside

    A lot of catching talent!!

  228. blake November 25th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Murphy reportedly has been improving behind the plate…..

  229. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Girardi preferred Romine instead of Montero behind the plate late last season, so that says it all. Montero was not much better than Posada back there. A lotta balls on the ground, and anything remotely outside has a 50\50 chance of going to the backstop. I wouldn’t put him back there whether it’s Game 1 or 162.

  230. blake November 25th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Considering they won 4 Championships with Posada as the primary catcher…..”not much better than Posada” is a ringing endorsement.

  231. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    The Yanks should sign either Darvish or Wilson, (in that order), and not tamper with the 40 man roster. What’s available via trade is Not worth the price.

  232. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    The last couple seasons, Posada defensively has been slightly better than Veritek.

  233. blake November 25th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    They won it all with Jorge in 2009. I’ve watched Montero catch probably 100 games and he’s just not the disaster you read about…..is he above average or even big league average right now…..no….but can he play there well enough with a chance to improve …..I think he can. He just needs to catch some for a few years

  234. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    “Few years”? I guess the days are gone when a player came up and was prepared tothe point where he could actually play his position onna daily basis if need be.

  235. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
    “Few years”? I guess the days are gone when a player came up and was prepared tothe point where he could actually play his position onna daily basis if need be.

    *********

    Some cases it takes some time. Bernie Williams was not built in a season – nor was Posada or Brett Gardner. Jeter and Cano on the other hand were.

  236. 108 stitches November 25th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    11 days until the winter meetings in Dallas, December 5-8.

  237. blake November 25th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    yea I mean it would be great if he could improve to the point where he was the long term every day catcher……but realistically that’s going to be difficult with his body type.

    I’m not saying he can’t do it…..it’s just going to be tough…..and if his bat develops like some think it will then I’m not sure they want him catching every day anyway and getting beaten up.

    First base will open up when he’s around 26 years old……and Gary Sanchez hopefully will pan out and be ready to go by then.

  238. Red Robin November 25th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    ” CC, Nova, Hughes, Burnett, Garcia ”

    Doesn’t really inspire confidence. Does it ?

    No ? Yes ? No ?

  239. Red Robin November 25th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    New post .

    Please .

  240. tucker November 25th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    DONNYBROOK says:
    November 25, 2011 at 5:02 pm
    The last couple seasons, Posada defensively has been slightly better than Veritek.

    —-
    How about Varitek’s magical ability to manage his pitching staff? He always held those magical pre-game strategy sessions. Of course, we didn’t hear much about his “catcher’s ERA” this year.

  241. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    If it was my call, Russell Martin would get a new\longer contract, and Montero would have to field another position. Regardless what you guys say, I see no reason Montero cannot give RF a try, and use Swish as trade bait. Martin is just too good a catcher\leader to be looking at Montero back there Now or in the next 2 or 3 seasons full-time. And once you start using Montero as a semi-regular DH, you are stunting his growth\wasting valuable years.

  242. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Red Robin November 25th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
    ” CC, Nova, Hughes, Burnett, Garcia ”

    Doesn’t really inspire confidence. Does it ?

    No ? Yes ? No ?

    **********

    Yeah – Carpenter, Garcia, Jackson vs. Halladay, Lee, and Hamels – that really inspired confidence from St. Louis’ end

    Just cannot predict what happens

    Oh – and C.C., Nova, Burnett, Hughes, Garcia, and Colon beat out the other teams in the AL East – and that was with Hughes in a down year, Colon effective for only half a season, Nova in AAA for almost a month and learning on the job and C.C. ballooning too much in the waist in the 2nd half. Plus A.J. Burnett WON one more playoff game in 2011 than the entire Red Sox staff and the same number of the Rays’ staff

  243. blake November 25th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Because Montero is very slow…..

  244. jacksquat November 25th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Montero cannot play RF. He is too slow. He’s not just a little below average, he is slow. The only possibility outside of C other than DH or 1B is 3B, and I have no idea if he has the ability to field balls there. Although if he can’t field balls at 3B, you probably wouldn’t want him at 1B either.

    For 2012 Montero should get many games at DH and at least 40+ games as starting catcher.

  245. blake November 25th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Lestah, Buckett, Butholtz, Somebody, and Anybody doesn’t sound too good either……especially when they have nobody x 4 in the 6-10 spots and Bard and garbage in their bullpen.

  246. yanks 27 November 25th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    ” CC, Nova, Hughes, Burnett, Garcia ”

    ————–

    Same thing we went into ST with last year. One proven guy and a bunch of unproven guys battling it out.

    Only thing different is that we know what to expect from Garcia – but he is a back-end guy. Can’t be starting game 3 of the playoffs and isn’t very effective against better teams. 150 above average innings – valuable guy to have, but a perfect back-end guy in an ideal situation.

    Burnett is still a question, except I doubt there are many in his corner who think he is better than a 5 ERA/innings eater, whereas last year there was some hope he could be the 2009 guy.

    Flip-flop Hughes and Nova from last year. Hughes was the proven “#2″ based off 1 good year, turned into disaster. Nova was the guy who had potential but had to prove himself. Same things, different names this year. No one knows what to expect from Hughes and are tempering their expectations of Nova.

    Get a Wilson/Darvish/Gio/Danks/Garza, push everyone back, make Hughes/Burnett battle it out (or trade Burnett ideally and let Hughes/Noesi battle it out), and that rotation is suddenly much better.

  247. joeman November 25th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    they trade Gardner yet

  248. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    blake November 25th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
    Lestah, Buckett, Butholtz, Somebody, and Anybody doesn’t sound too good either……

    *************

    Don’t forget their secret weapon – Church’s chicken – and six pack. Ladies and gents the Red Necks 2012 starting staff.

  249. yanks 27 November 25th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    I should have put a separate category for Darvish, as he might not be a #2 here. But still, at least there is a chance.

  250. Melk Man November 25th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    I received some interesting Thanksgiving news from down in Tampa. Apparently, the Yankees recently contacted the Giants and offered four players for Matt Cain. The package was a combination of at least one position player and several minor league pitchers. Some of the names that were bandied about were Jesus Montero, Nick Swisher, and different minor league talent that included names such as Dellin Betances, Adam Warren, David Phelps and Hector Noesi.

    The Giants, flat out turned down the deal.

    When I asked a West Coast source to confirm this, he told me that “several clubs” have contacted the Giants in regards to Cain’s availability.

    http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=41582

  251. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    I would be surprised in SF moves Cain at this point – maybe in July if they are out of it.

  252. blake November 25th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    I find it hard to believe the Yanks offered all that for a year of Matt Cain when Cashman wouldn’t include Nunez for Cliff Lee.

  253. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Speaking of the rotation, there is speculation that the Yankees “could” offer C.J. Wilson a 5-year contract that would include an opt-out clause. They could also offer him a 4-year deal that would include several vesting option years. All of this is moot, since no numbers have been discussed between Cashman and Wilson’s agent, Bob Garber. Right now, the Yankees feel that their main competition for Wilson are the Angels, who’s new GM Jerry DiPoto is looking to be very aggressive this off-season.

    Speaking of the Angels, rumors have been circulating recently that Dan Haren might become available. The Yankees would love to have him, but, the belief down in Tampa is that DiPoto will only trade Haren to the Yankees for several “top tier” prospects, (think Montero/Romine and Betances/Warren).
    Another reason why the Yankees feel that trading for Haren might be very difficult is their recent trade history with DiPoto. Let’s remember that it was not quite a year and a half ago, as the 2010 trade deadline approached, that multiple sources reported that the Yankees had a deal in place to acquire Haren from Arizona. DiPoto, who was serving as the interim GM of the D-Backs at the time, elected to go in a different direction at the last minute and traded Haren in a package that included Joe Saunders, Patrick Corbin, Rafael Rodriguez and eventually, Tyler Skaggs.

    Word on the street is that there is no love lost between Theo Epstein and his old employers, and that he might be very willing to talk trade with the Yankees now that he has released himself from the chains of the RSN. Brian Cashman has already publicly congratulated his buddy on his new position with the Cubs. If Chicago GM Jed Hoyer gets the OK from his boss to listen to Yankees trade offers, there could be some rather interesting trade possibilities that would satisfy both clubs needs; think Matt Garza.

  254. blake November 25th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Hey….maybe we can trade for Casey Kelly and then offer him straight up for Matt Garza!

  255. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    blake November 25th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
    Hey….maybe we can trade for Casey Kelly and then offer him straight up for Matt Garza!

    ********

    The greatest trick the Devil ever played was making the world believe Kizer Soze does not exist AND Casey Kelly was a top tier pitching talent.

    When Jed Hoyer traded Adrian Gonzales for Casey Kelly and a bunch of other Rizzos and Fuentes – it was the incestuous equivalent of taking his sister to the prom.

  256. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Keith Law should never be allowed to type another word for any column after his praise of Casey Kelly.

  257. blake November 25th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    but he’s got pitchability……

  258. tucker November 25th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    Keith Law, Jed Hoyer and Theo are all enjoying a good laugh over pizza and brews about how they fleeced the Padres.

  259. LGY November 25th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    NY baseball digest is like the incarcerated bob of blogs.

  260. blake November 25th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    “NY baseball digest is like the incarcerated bob of blogs.”

    well it all must be true then ;)

  261. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Yu Darvish is still likely to be posted this offseason, though we won’t know officially for a couple of weeks, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (on Twitter). A source close to Darvish told Morosi that it’s “more likely than not” that the 25-year-old will pitch in the Major Leagues next year.

  262. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    RF requires a very good\accurate arm to be out there full-time. To rule a guy outta playing RF because he is slow is ridiculous. When you also consider the dimensions in Yankee Stadium in RF, it’s downright hilarious.

  263. tucker November 25th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Under the new CBA rules, there are fewer places to spend big money whether it’s the draft or free agent signings ( due to 50 percent luxury tax). That may be another reason for the Yanks to consider Darvish. The posting fee is tax free.

  264. blake November 25th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    “To rule a guy outta playing RF because he is slow is ridiculous.”

    then just sign Prince Fielder and stick him out there…..he’s probably faster than Montero is

  265. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
    RF requires a very good\accurate arm to be out there full-time. To rule a guy outta playing RF because he is slow is ridiculous. When you also consider the dimensions in Yankee Stadium in RF, it’s downright hilarious.

    **********

    But what about the other 81 games outside YS. Also – being able to come in catch the ball and also at the wall can be just as crucial – at least ask Abreu on the latter

  266. blake November 25th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    just because Montero could go out there and catch anything within 5 feet of him doesn’t make it a good idea…..

  267. Giuseppe Franco November 25th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Getting your Yankee insider news from NY Baseball Digest would be like getting your news from the Bleacher Report.

  268. DONNYBROOK November 25th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    The wall is a whole different discussion. If Manny can handle LF in Fenway, Montero oughtta be given a shot at RF in Yankee Stadium. This slow stuff is pure fabrication.

  269. blake November 25th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Manny was a lot faster and more agile than Montero is…….and LF at Fenway is the least demanding position in baseball. (more hilarious that Crawford plays there)

  270. Giuseppe Franco November 25th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    You can’t just stick anyone in the outfield. Even solid infielders would have issues playing the outfield and those guys tend to be more agile and certainly more range than a catcher.

    I seem to recall Youkilis being sent out to LF a couple of years back and he was a complete disaster.

    Why don’t we wait and see how Montero handles catching everyday before we make him an outfielder?

  271. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    I would not want Montero playing RF in Fenway in July for 4:15 pm start time with the sun and spacious field. And that is just one of many examples.

  272. mick November 25th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Montero , right where he is, as a BUC/DH is the perfect spot for him.
    Give him a chance to ease into the catching job but mostly just let him hit.
    The future will take care of itself.
    Montero to RF, pshaw…

  273. Occasional Poster November 25th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    Stoneburner, are you in the habit of posting content from other sites without a link? Do you not know how to provide a quote and a link?

    http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=41582

  274. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Occasional Poster November 25th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
    Stoneburner, are you in the habit of posting content from other sites without a link? Do you not know how to provide a quote and a link?

    http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=41582

    ***********

    Usually provide the source I am copying from – but given that you were able to find it and that the link was just posted a few posts beforehand – it was not that difficult for anyone to find out – was it? Next time – just ask me also if you want a link instead of posing a rhetorical jerk tone question. . . .

  275. joeman November 25th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    would like to see what trade value Ivan Nova has around the league…

  276. Tar November 25th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    “would like to see what trade value Ivan Nova has around the league…”

    Probably could get a player back like Gardner.

  277. Tar November 25th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    So I took the plunge went from PC to Mac. First thing I need to do is find spell checker. :D

  278. blake November 25th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    LostNYY Lost ..
    #Yankees Cashman attempted to get Braun from Brewers. Brewers would consider moving Braun for Montero and the killer B’s. Cash said no.
    20 Nov

  279. blake November 25th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    LostNYY Lost ..
    Cashman not wanting to set the price for CJ Wilson. Once price is set, they’ll make an offer.
    20 Nov

  280. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Who is LostNYY Lost???

  281. GreenBeret7 November 25th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    He misspelled him name twice. It should be spelled “Loser”

  282. blake November 25th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Guy that used to post here that supposedly works for the Yankees…..no idea if he actually does or not.

  283. blake November 25th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Braun is one of the few players I’d trade Montero for

  284. GreenBeret7 November 25th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    It’s well known that Cashman never makes a first offer specific on other teams’ players. He really went out on a limb for that one. There is zero reason to think that Cashman would make an offer for a player like Braun, knowing what the asking price would be, even if there was one. I believe this is the BS artist with the idiot son named (P)iss Ant.

  285. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    Thanks

  286. blake November 25th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    “There is zero reason to think that Cashman would make an offer for a player like Braun, knowing what the asking price would be, even if there was one”

    who knows….Cashman probably asks about every good player at some point….why not?

  287. blake November 25th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    I don’t know if Lost was legit or not…..I do know that a couple of years ago he posted something about a potential deal with Arizona for Haren involving Joba several days before any of those rumors ever started in the media…..so while I didn’t take the things he said as gospel…..I didn’t necessarily dismiss them either.

  288. raymagnetic November 25th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Cash man should’ve made that supposed deal. Montero, and one of Betty/Manny for Braun is a steal.

    Braun would immediately be the best player on the team. His contract is VERY reasonable as well.

    Which is why I don’t believe that trade scenario existed and Cashman turned it down.

  289. blake November 25th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    LostNYY Lost ..
    #Yankees Just heard Braun does have a no trade clause, and Swisher and Gardner was in the offer. Don’t get excited not likely to happen.
    20 Nov

    Montero, Swisher/Gardner, Banuelos, and Betances. I think Braun might be the best overall player in the game right now…..but that’s steep even for him.

  290. raymagnetic November 25th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Yeah, that’d be way too much. You don’t trade 2 major leaguers and Montero and one of Betty/Manny for Braun

  291. Stoneburner November 25th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    raymagnetic November 25th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
    Yeah, that’d be way too much. You don’t trade 2 major leaguers and Montero and one of Betty/Manny for Braun

    ***********

    The way I read the tweet was Montero AND Banuelos AND Betances AND others

  292. GreenBeret7 November 25th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Loser has as much legitiamacy as Bobcat and Miller had, Which is to say none. They all talked in circles and never said anything.

    Do you think that as tight lipped as Cashman is about any deals, he wouldn’t fire the first person caught leaking trade info? If more than 7 people in that orgamization knows what trades ge’s talking about, I’d be shocked. There’s more secret info leaked out of the CIA than out of the Yankee front office.

  293. GreenBeret7 November 25th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    in that ***organization*** knows what trades ***he’s***

  294. PittsburghYankeeFan November 26th, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Lost is just that…Lost. Remember “Son of Lost” aka “P”

    “CC is really mad at Girardi, and he’s going to test the market”

    That quote, from 2 months ago, should say it all.

    Enough of “Bobcat,” “Lost,” and the rest of them. Either they have real info (why would they share it on a fan blog) or they are full of it. I suppose the latter, even if they have some “baseball” connection (hey, I’m Tino Martinez cleaning woman!).

    Biggest secret? The Yankee lineup is just about set for 2012. No CJ Wilson, Gio Gonzales, Mark Buerle. No Ryan Braun. Maybe a run a Yu Darvish…a big maybe.

    Even bigger secret? The payroll may be under $200 million, and maybe under $190 million if arb breaks the right way. Bye bye revenue sharing for KC, Pirates, and the rest of them. No more Yankee money for you to spend on ski resorts (like the Pirates owners).

    My source is good on this. Common Sense. A real insider.

    Lost?

  295. jacksquat November 26th, 2011 at 5:33 am

    I don’t think Cashman would trade Montero + Betances + Banuelos + Swisher + Gardner for Braun. Braun is a very nice player but that’s a little extreme. And why would the Brewers want to trade Braun when they are likely losing Fielder already? Doesn’t pass the sniff test.

  296. Gary November 26th, 2011 at 6:47 am

    PittsburghYankeeFan November 26th, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Biggest secret? The Yankee lineup is just about set for 2012. No CJ Wilson, Gio Gonzales, Mark Buerle. No Ryan Braun. Maybe a run a Yu Darvish…a big maybe.

    Even bigger secret? The payroll may be under $200 million, and maybe under $190 million if arb breaks the right way. Bye bye revenue sharing for KC, Pirates, and the rest of them. No more Yankee money for you to spend on ski resorts (like the Pirates owners).

    My source is good on this. Common Sense. A real insider.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Morning, sometimes I wonder about some of this stuff people comeup with. Common sense??

  297. blake November 26th, 2011 at 7:40 am

    I don’t think the payroll is going to be under 200 million and I don’t think the Yanks are done for the offseason either. They have been chasing a starter for 2 years how and there are just too many options out there for them not to land one of them IMO…..it may come via trade…..it may comes in Darvish or Wilson if the dollars are right.

    As for Lost etc…..I take everything I read with a grain of salt anyway.

  298. blake November 26th, 2011 at 8:03 am

    Looks like the NBA lockout may be over……I had forgot about that.

  299. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank November 26th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Why am I disappointed the NBA lockout is over

  300. LGY November 26th, 2011 at 8:44 am

    The NBA is back!!

    Go Knicks!

  301. mick November 26th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    open on xmas?

  302. blake November 26th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    They should have just skipped the regular season and had their normal 3 month long postseason starting on Christmas day…..who would have noticed?

  303. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank November 26th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    “”"blake says:
    November 26, 2011 at 9:01 am
    They should have just skipped the regular season and had their normal 3 month long postseason starting on Christmas day…..who would have notice”"”

    Hah! Exactly, cut to the chase…

  304. Gary November 26th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Did Garcia get 4 or 5M? I’ve seen both numbers reported. Seems like alot of money up from last years 1.5M.

  305. MaineYankee November 26th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    It’s to bad the Kniocks will start the season with a loss. :D :

  306. MaineYankee November 26th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    oops

    too bad

    the Knicks

  307. Gary November 26th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Just made a tour of that latest (yawn) baseball news. Interest continues to be high in Csespeda and Soler amongst several teams. I see that Wilson has been offered arbritration by Texas. If he doesn’t take it then the price goes up to sign him for others. No news yet on Darvish.

    Turning back to checking out football, slowest start to the baseball offseason I’ve seen in years. Who would have thought it’s almost Decemeber and the only big news has been the Paplebomber signing?

  308. Baseball Mogul November 26th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Knicks will also end their season with a loss.

  309. Gary November 26th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Link to current ranked Free Agent status

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/freeagents/_/type/ranked

  310. Baseball Mogul November 26th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    ’96 World Series highlights on MLB network. Going chronologically all day followed by 2001 Game 1 in ‘Greatest Games’. 2003 ALCS Game 71 also on later today.

  311. Baseball Mogul November 26th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    *game 7* it felt like 71 though :)

  312. blake November 26th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    I watched game 4 of the 01 WS last night……the Mr. November game…..awesome

  313. blake November 26th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    “I see that Wilson has been offered arbritration by Texas. If he doesn’t take it then the price goes up to sign him for others.”

    Don’t see how that affects anything……he’s not going to take it……that’s just so Texas gets compensation if he signs elsewhere.

    Cashman is probably going to work the trade market while waiting for the market for Wilson to form……

  314. 86w183 November 26th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Gary —-

    I think Garcia gets $ 4 M guaranteed with some incentives for starts, innings.

    He made A LOT more than $ 1.5 M last season. That was his base, but he also picked up a number of bonuses for starts and innings and probably made somewhere in the $ 3.5 – $ 3.75 range.

  315. Red Robin November 26th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    How I hate all sports outside of baseball .

  316. Red Robin November 26th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    H A T E

  317. Gary November 26th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Going to Costco, Saturdays are always neat. They have so many free samples you can have lunch down there, so retirement :-)

  318. PittsburghYankeeFan November 26th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Gary

    Let’s see…trade half your team for Ryan Braun (who has a no-trade). Trade 3-4 AAA prospects from the upper levels of your farm for the mediocre likes of Gio Gonzales or John Danks when you have 5 ML starters. Give Mark Buerle a 4-5 year contract when his ERA in YS is something around 6. Make a bid for Cecil Fielder when you have a DH and 1B for the next 6 years. All when you have a lot of pitching depth in AAA which is ready to take it to the bigs? A small sample of the distorted thinking on this blog over the past 3-4 weeks, not including the cryptic posts from Lost et al.

    And when someone posts that is it mere common sense to basically stand pat (now that Freddy G is signed) on what is likely a 95-100 win team in 2012 unless you get a steal (which is highly unlikely), you give them grief (“I can’t believe what some people post” is a paraphrase of your quote, I believe).

    It’s fun during the hot stove to speculate–keeps all of us going until mid-February. But it’s just that–speculation, and bad speculation at that.

    Cash has common sense. Let the deals come to him. If not, for the first time in years, it doesn’t matter.

  319. PittsburghYankeeFan November 26th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Blake

    IMHO they are done, unless a trade steal comes about, or Yu decides to pitch in the US. I’d hold on to pitching or make a small cheap play at Edwin Jackson if they are bored.

    Cj Wilson on an AJ deal (or even AJ lite)–no way. A 31 year old former reliever, when Betances is no more than 1 year away.

    Buerle. He’ll sign with the White Sox at the end, for too much $$$$.

    Danks and Gio. I just don’t see it, and the Red Sox have nothing to trade, so there is really no competition this winter. Let the Angels have them.

  320. blake November 26th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Pittsburgh,

    You think the Angels are going to get Wilson, Danks, and Gio? The fact that the market is narrow for some of these guys……particularly Danks hopefully will keep prices reasonable. You coukd be right but u less the prices are just ridiculous I think Cashman will do something g to address the rotation.

  321. blake November 26th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    I agree that they Cashman is isn’t going gto force anything because he doesn’t have to…..the Yanks can make the playoffs if they do nothing else……but they are always looking g to improve and have been chasing a running mate for CC for awhile now…….last year they put all their eggs in the Cliff Lee basket……this year there isn’t an option like him out there but there are potentially more #2 type guys out there…so I think Cash will keep chasing that……maybe he gets one…..maybe he doesn’t……but I think he will continue to explore it.

  322. blake November 26th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Jon Morosi @jonmorosi

    Source: #RedSox and #Rays have checked in on FA reliever Luis Ayala,who pitched for #Yankees this year.

    15 minutes ago via txt

  323. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    I enjoy watching the MLB Network’s 20 Greatest Games, but the order they have them in is outta wack. That Game 7 Yankee Rally vs Pedro\Boone’s HR game shoulda been far higher. Reminds me of that ESPN Top 100 Athlete’s of All Time list that had Secretariat ranked higher than Mickey Mantle. It’s typical of ESPN to slight a Yankee, but to do it in favor of an animal is an outright insult.
    NBA players took it in the shorts. Agreeing to reduce their share of NBA revenue from 57% to somewhere around 50% is a huge step backwards. I believe the new MLB CBA caused a major tremor within the rank-and-file, which had been tentative at best previously. The Union Hacks knew when to fold the tent, rather than witness a permanent fracture. The owners basically busted the Union in the NHL, and now likewise has happened in the NBA. I support Unions and hate seeing this happen. This is why I have no use for Kevin Millar, or Shane Spencer. Nice guys, but they crossed for their own benefit, and allowed others to shoulder the dirty work from which they benefited. It’s not a Union issue, it’s a Character issue.

  324. trisha - true pinstriped blue November 26th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Do I have to go and find the post where I predicted the rotation would be AJ, CC, Hughes, Nova and Freddy? Do I?

    :)

    YAHOO!!! This makes me very happy.

    Hope everyone had a wonderful TG. Mine ended up proving that I have no business attempting to cook. But everyone told me what counts is that we were all together. :D

    My company is still here, so I haven’t been able to catch up on posts but I am assuming nothing is new beyond Freddy coming back.

    Later y’all.

  325. Blutarsky November 26th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Interesting story on Dan Lozano who just happens to be ARod’s new agent.

    http://deadspin.com/5861982/da.....e-mountain

  326. blake November 26th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    .” I believe the new MLB CBA caused a major tremor within the rank-and-file, which had been tentative at best previously.”

    Yea I agree……I think they looked at the relative lack of fan outrage compared to the NFL lockout and how smoothly the MLB talks went and said to themselves…..you know what…..we better get a deal done.

  327. blake November 26th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    “Do I have to go and find the post where I predicted the rotation would be AJ, CC, Hughes, Nova and Freddy? Do I?”

    That’s not a done deal yet ;) hope you’re well.

  328. Bret The Hitman November 26th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Lost in NYY was the poster who predicted Tex’s signing. After that, he was wrong about Matt Holliday, wrong on Carl Crawford and silent this past trading deadline. This stuff about Braun is the most wild speculation I’ve heard from him yet. Is he trying to spark a Twitter following? Is he bored? He has always seemed like a level-headed poster but this Braun stuff is just bizarre.

  329. blake November 26th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    To be fair…..he never predicted Holliday or Crawford would be signed…..actually remember him being pretty pessimistic on both ….especially Holliday. All he said was that Cashman wanted to upgrade the lineup but that Hal didn’t want to add the money at the time.

    Im not saying he’s legit……just saying that he has never really said anything was or wasn’t going to happen……just posted stuff he’d heard……and with regards to Holliday he pretty much always said Boras was asking too much

  330. blake November 26th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Also…..all he said was that Cashman tried for Braun and the Brewers predictably asked for the moon…….my guess is that he at least asks about most all players that are any good at some point…….why not…..what else do these guys talk about.

  331. disco stu November 26th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    PittsburghYankeeFan -

    I disagree with your opinion that they Yankees are dong. Cashman is on record saying that his biggest job this off season is improve the starting rotation not retain it … if he stops with just resigning CC and Garcia then where are the improvements?

    By the 2nd half of the season it was pretty obvious just how thin the Yankees rotation had become … Nova ended up being the glue that held it together … CC was wearing down, Colon hit the wall that most expected he would, AJ was awful, and Garcia, while effective in many starts, was still out of most games by the 6th inning. The offense and bullpen helped mask things.

    If you just stop now and don’t even let the FA and trade markets establish themselves without a single deal being done yet, then I dont see how the Yankees go into 2012 with an improved starting rotation. I know they have in house options that might help … but there are question marks with guys like Hughes, Noesi, and any of the Triple A pitchers knocking on the door.

    The Yankees need more stability and assurance at the top of the rotation that was lost when Andy retired. They need a 2nd veteran presence that can be relied on start after start to give them both quality and length. As far as i can see they dont have that .. at least not yet.

  332. jacksquat November 26th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    The rotation as it stands right now basically means you are replacing Colon with Hughes. Colon had a 3.55 ERA as late as after his Sep 9 start (then he had a couple bad starts), and a 4.00 ERA overall. Hughes would need to match that for the rotation to be the roughly the same. A few more starts for Nova (short trip to the minors last year), maybe a few more for Garcia (mysterious cut hand injury).

    Pitcher – ERA – xFIP
    ———————–
    CC – 3.00 – 3.02
    Nova – 3.70 – 4.16
    Garcia – 3.62 – 4.36
    AJ – 5.15 – 3.86
    Hughes – 5.79 – 4.90

    Colon – 4.00 – 3.57

    It’s reasonably possible Nova and Garcia could end up with ERA’s in the 4′s, Garcia in particular probably was a little lucky. AJ has pretty consistently underperformed relative to his xFIP.

    I’d say this rotation as it is, after CC is pretty mediocre. It could perform fairly well, it could be CC and four innings eaters.

  333. Bret The Hitman November 26th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Blake,

    I remember Lost changed his name to Lost in Holliday Inn. He was definitely very clear about the Yankees being interested in Holliday. MTU got his hopes up and now is scarred forever (poor thing) :lol: Lost also was raving about how Yankee scouts love Crawford and said it was nearly unanimous. There has been little activity out of this front office for nearly 2 years now. Now all of a sudden Cashman’s window shopping for MVP bats? I enjoyed Lost’s posts. He’s an intelligent guy. I believe he’s connected to the Yankees in some way. But the Braun stuff barely passes the Twitter test. I was surprised to see it.

  334. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Cashman is on record saying he’s gonna add a SP. I don’t see Freddy being an addition, so an SP is still gonna be added to the 25 Man. If not Darvish, I anticipate Wilson. And I believe Wilson is gonna stall\wait on Darvish, in hopes of getting even more $$$ than is currently at his beck-and-call.

  335. Bret The Hitman November 26th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    I hope it’s not Wilson or Darvish. I think both want too much money.

  336. blake November 26th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Bret,

    But all he ever said was that they were interested and Im sure they were……he never said once they were close to signing him and last winter he never really sounded all that optimistic about Lee either….and hardly mentioned Crawford.

    As I said last night…..I take it with a grain of salt…..

  337. blake November 26th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    I do think Cashman would like to upgrade both the rotation and offense if possible……now he’s a thrifty shopper but he will still pull the trigger for fair prices……

  338. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    This Braun stuff is pure baloney. if I’m the Brewer GM and Cash inquires about Braun, my answer is Immediately, “Not available”. There would be no names exchanged etc. Once a GM starts exchanging names\players with another GM, and it leaks out, Players then get outraged and all hell breaks loose. No way the Brewer GM would start exchanging names in reference to a Braun deal.

  339. Bret The Hitman November 26th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Blake,

    I don’t think it matters either way. The fans are pretty content and the Yankees can easily make the playoffs with 200 million to spend. The current model is a cash-cow so why change it? There won’t be any surprises. Guys like Nick Swisher will be brought in to pound journeymen starters, AAA call-ups and middle relievers. The Yankees will have a strong regular season team and frankly, that’s where the money is. The majority of fans are content with a roster configuration heavily leveraged on regular season success.

  340. blake November 26th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    ” No way the Brewer GM would start exchanging names in reference to a Braun deal.”"

    Considering that they are about to lose Fielder……..if Cashman offered Montero, Gardner, Betances, and Banuelos……you don’t think they’d even consider it? Braun is awesome but he’s also going to get expensive soon.

    There probably isn’t anything to any of it of course……but anybody is available fir the right price. All it said was that Cashman asked……and the Brewers asked for a crazy package…..that’s not that far fetched to.me.

  341. blake November 26th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    If I were Cashman Id at least ask about every player that was any good.

  342. Clare November 26th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    GB7,

    Hope you’re doing well and had a nice Thanksgiving.

    Just wanted to correct the record about Miller – he had the real scoop on ARod coming back, long before anyone in the media had a clue. He had the AAV, and many details that turned out to be right. It was his posts that prompted PeteAbe’s famous “Aliens in Central Park” diatribe.

    I don’t recall Miller making predictions on anything else, but he definitely had the scoop on ARod.

  343. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    -BLAKE-
    Braun is the Brewer equivalent of Jeet. Your, “ANYBODY is available fir the the right price” simply is innacurate. There are Untouchable players. Braun is one of those. A GM with an Untouchable does NOT allow the discussion to progress to the point of names being exchanged, and a fellow GM understands and respects this. Don’t ruin your credibility by continuing to jump-the-shark regarding this baseless Braun Rumor.

  344. blake November 26th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Donny,

    Im not jumping on anything…..all I said was that I don’t find it that far fetched for the Ya kees to ask about every Braun and for them to essentially say ok…for your entire farm system.

    Braun is their franchise player of course……but for small and mid market teams that is a little different than for teams like the Yankees who can pay their icon and then spend elsewhere also. The Brewers put all their eggs into one basket to try to win last year before Fielder left…..they greatly depleted their farm system in doing so.

    If they coukd get a king’s random in return for Braun then they’d probably at least discuss it as they need more than just him to compete longterm and also because he’s not going to be very cheap for much longer……that doesn’t mean they’d ultimately do it……but they would have to discuss it I think.

    Same reason Towers floated Upton’s name out there last winter…….to see if he could get an organization shifting offer for him. Again……Im not saying I believe that rumor or that

  345. blake November 26th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Cut myself off.

    Again….not saying I believe that rumor or that it ever happened…….just saying g that I don’t find ir THAT far fetched.

  346. Bret The Hitman November 26th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Report: Red Sox and Rays interested in reliever Luis Ayala

    Luis Ayala had to settle for a spring training invite last offseason, but he might find a guaranteed major league contract this winter.

    According to Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com, the Red Sox and Rays are among the teams who have “checked in” on the veteran right-hander.

    Ayala, who turns 34 in January, made the Yankees’ Opening Day roster this season and posted a 2.09 ERA and 39/20 K/BB ratio over 56 innings. He also induced ground balls 50 percent of the time, his highest percentage since 2004 as a member of the Expos.

  347. blake November 26th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Ayala would fit in nicely with the mediocrity in the Sox bullpen.

  348. Gary November 26th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 26th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
    Blake,

    I don’t think it matters either way. The fans are pretty content and the Yankees can easily make the playoffs with 200 million to spend. The current model is a cash-cow so why change it? There won’t be any surprises. Guys like Nick Swisher will be brought in to pound journeymen starters, AAA call-ups and middle relievers. The Yankees will have a strong regular season team and frankly, that’s where the money is. The majority of fans are content with a roster configuration heavily leveraged on regular season success.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Respectfully I don’t agree. I think the vast majority of the people are pretty unhappy with the roster that achi9eves regular season sucess and then ending in post season failure. As far as easily making the playoffs, I don’t know why we have a lock on that. One year’s performance doesn’t translate into next years sucess, ask alot of teams about that. Yanks are getting older, they need to make themselves better.

  349. Gary November 26th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Bret The Hitman November 26th, 2011 at 11:54 am
    I hope it’s not Wilson or Darvish. I think both want too much money.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Bret fair comment if they don’t produce, but if they do they are worth it. The better players command the high prices it’s the nature of pro sports today. What I don’t like to see is Nick Swisher getting paid $12M to fall on his face in the playoffs every year.

  350. Bret The Hitman November 26th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    Gary,

    As far as I’m concerned the Yankees could use a long-term upgrade in LF, RF, DH and #2 starter. I would be shocked at this point if Cashman addresses a single one of those.

  351. blake November 26th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    Looks like its either Bobby V or Gene Lamont for the Boston job. I really want to see Bobby vs that saber minded front office.

  352. Bret The Hitman November 26th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    The shockwaves created by the Red Sox collapse couldn’t possibly have been more delicious than I envisioned. I was hoping for Francona and Epstein out and Bobby V. in. Bobby V is perfect for that city. Petty – know-it-all – high strung – bipolar – unstable – annoying…. They’re doing all they can to self-destruct just the way I predicted during the Yanks/Rays final series.

    That being said, I think they’re going to be much better next year with Buchholz, a revitalized Youkilis. I also think Crawford is going to be huge for them.

  353. blake November 26th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    I think Boston coukd be good next year…..Crawford should be better but Youks health is a real issue and Beckett is always a question mark with his health …….I think they’ll be back with something to prove……but the issues with their rotation and his thin it is …..and the injury risks on their club are real.

  354. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Comparing Upton being floated coming off a Down season, to Braun after winning the NL MVP? Nuff said.

  355. pat November 26th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    “The majority of fans are content with a roster configuration heavily leveraged on regular season success.”

    How do you build a roster differently for post season success and can one built on post season success be guaranteed to achieve enough in the regular season to get you to the postseason?

    Building a team for postseason success sounds like a good in theory thing to me.

  356. blake November 26th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Upton is 4 years younger and has a much better contract……..comparable assets.

  357. blake November 26th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    You can never predict how the playoffs will go…..but strengthing your pitching as much as possible seems to be the best bet both for the playoffs and regular season.

    It doesn’t guarantee anything but it does probably give you the best chance if it’s strong……the timely hitting that you also need is something that’s more difficult to predict.

  358. Giuseppe Franco November 26th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    The Phillies were supposedly built for postseason success. I wonder how that turned out.

    Raise your hand if you picked the Cardinals to win the WS at the end of the regular season.

    The Yanks’ starting pitching in 2009 wasn’t much different than it was in 2011.

    The only difference was they didn’t have Pettitte but they did have better depth (both in the rotation and pen).

  359. blake November 26th, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    The 2009 Yankees had Pettite and a better version of AJ……plus the teams they played in the playoffs weren’t as good as the ones they faced in 2010 and 2011. The 2010 and 2011 teams would have both probably housed that Angels team from 09.

  360. tomingeorgia November 26th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    I woke up this morning about 6 to find a beautiful flock of goats in my yard. I’m used to deer, coyotes, foxes, even armadillos and rarely, a bear, but these goats were a first. The cops came and seemed to know who owned them. Biggest excitement of the week. Come home, Chad!

  361. blake November 26th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    Tom,

    You should have fenced them in……you could then sell your mower :)

  362. tomingeorgia November 26th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    blake,
    There were only five of them, beautiful plump show goats, but they’d eat the roses before the poison ivy. I cant afford to fence the acreage, but I’ve thought of keeping goats before. Jamaican jerked goat! Delicious.

  363. austinmac November 26th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    It is a silly argument against having a good pitching staff that the Phillies didn’t win. Their are no guarantees, but one can improve the odds. They need another quality starter, and in my opinion, another high average bat.

  364. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    Momentum going into the Playoffs is also extremely important. The Yanks do extremely well thru Aug, get their guaranteed Playoff spot, and Girardi immediately puts the regulars on extended hiatus. The hitters lose their stroke, and the Yanks stumble into the Playoffs swinging wiffle ball bats. We hear a lot of complaints about the Yankee offense, but Girardi’s misguided manipulation of the everyday offense in Sept has a lot to do with the lack of offense in Oct. I believe no matter who the Yanks had played in RD 1 of this seasons playoff, they woulda lost. If you want an offense to click, it has to be on the field onna regular basis. It aint a light switch.

  365. blake November 26th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Tom,

    I’ve seen 5 or 6 keep a 5 acre field looking freshly mowed……it’s true that they will eat almost anything.

  366. Tar November 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Bret

    UConn best ever?

    That’s what happens when you diss UNC. A Jordan comes along and spanks you. :D

  367. blake November 26th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Basically I’m fine with whatever the Yankees do this winter,….I’d like to see them add a legit starter if they could and if the price (in prospects or money) is reasonable but I’ll trust them to make that decision when the time comes.

    Then only way I will really be disappointed or upset is if the Yankees trade Montero or somehow find a way to keep him out of the every day lineup next year……that is a step that needs to happen…..they need to get this kid in the lineup and see what he can do. They need a young bat much more than they need a #2 starter going forward IMO

  368. blake November 26th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Tar,

    The heels have some warts but the good news is that I think they are far from a finished product….they have loads of room to grow between now and March. Marshall is very very good.

  369. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    I could care less if the Yanks overpay\$$$. They did it with CC and I don’t hear any crying about that acquisition. Over paying in regard to personel involved inna trade is an entirely different matter. With every CBA, MLB continues to neuter big market, deep pocket teams like the Yanks. While the Yanks have this $$$ advantage, they should use it with gusto. It is quickly evaporating.

  370. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Personally, I’ll take a legitimate 2 Slot SP , over a “young bat” all day every day.

  371. tomingeorgia November 26th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    The Yankees were the best of fifteen teams after 162, and second best of 30. They fell a rainstorm and a couple of missed opportunities from facing Texas for the WS. If I were 29 other organizations, I’d look at the Yankees with naked envy. Cashman will do something to shore up weak spots, but there aren’t many. He’ll find another Ayala, a lefty arm for the pen, and maybe another starter (he’ll try for Darvish, but who knows) who knows how to pitch. I took Fine Arts 101, so I know enough to find flaws in the Mona Lisa (in my own mind), but I haven’t seen any flaws so far in Cashman’s approach to the post season, including whom he protected from Rule 5. Things will happen soon, oh ye of little faith.

  372. tucker November 26th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Agreed that getting rid of Montero would be a huge mistake. Biggest threat to this team is the diminishing heart of their order with Tex’s struggles and A-rod’s injuries and age. They need to bolster the middle of the order, and other than the unlikely move of getting a Braun or Justin Upton, Montero is the biggest option.

  373. tucker November 26th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    I disagree Donnybrook. Lot of young starters throwing gas are arriving in the bigs. Not too many middle-order hitters available. With HGH testing, there may be even fewer sluggers available over coming years.

  374. blake November 26th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    Well if you’re willing to part with Montero then there are probably a number of #2 starters you could land……but that wouldn’t be wise IMO

  375. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    As Cashman said, “pitching ,pitching, pitching”. He is not worried about the offense. The offense stumbled against Detroit, but Cash knows had CC done his job, there was enough offense to advance the 2011 Yanks. The Yankee 2012 season will not be decided by Montero or the offense in general. It will be dicided by, “pitching, pitching, pitching”.

  376. Giuseppe Franco November 26th, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    austinmac November 26th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    It is a silly argument against having a good pitching staff that the Phillies didn’t win. Their are no guarantees, but one can improve the odds. They need another quality starter, and in my opinion, another high average bat.

    —–

    You completely missed the point.

    The argument was simply that there are no guarantees in the postseason regardless if you win the offseason or not (think RS and Phillies last offseason).

  377. blake November 26th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    “The Yankee 2012 season will not be decided by Montero or the offense in general.”

    Probably not…..but Cashman is looking beyond 2012 and looking at the aging core of the lineup and that replacements just aren’t available often in free agency anymore.

  378. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    I didn’t say anything about trading Montero for a 2 Slotter. The Yankee $$$ advantage should be employed in order to bolster the Rotation. As for the HGH\vanishing slugger, everything is relative. Should that occur, all teams will be in the same boat. As an aside, the best young slugger I’ve seen is Stanton. That guy reminds me of Dave Kingman.

  379. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    Again, Cashman’s comment, “pitching, pitching, pitching” would make me believe his focus currently is not looking beyond 2012 offensively.

  380. blake November 26th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    The Marlins are probably hoping he’s a little more than Dave Kingman……career .236/.302/.478/.780.

  381. Dionysius Thelxinoe November 26th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    tomingeorgia says:
    November 26, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    —————-

    Great post!

    I post very little, but stop in and read daily. And sometimes, we can’t see the forest for the trees.

  382. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    My complaint concerning Kingman would be his defense. it’s unfortunate he got blackballed. The guy still had at least 3 AL yrs left in him, and woulda made a legit run at 500 HR.

  383. jacksquat November 26th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    I suspect if Cashman can get CJ Wilson on a 4 year deal for less than 17mil/year he’ll go there. People want too much for trades in a thinnish market, I think he’d rather just spend money, he has that luxury.

  384. tomingeorgia November 26th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    Dionysius,
    Thanks. Can’t buy them all, but doing pretty good with the ones we can buy, as well as the ones we’re raising.

  385. blake November 26th, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    I’d probably guess a CJ limit at 5/75 or so…..I don’t think I’d go there but Cashman might if he doesn’t like the trade market.

  386. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    The cost of winning the bidding aside, if it came down to either Darvish for 5yrs at $15 Mill per, or Wilson at the same, I would go with gambling on The Pachinko Kid. Darvish is younger, and Wilson kinda spooks me as the Yanks have done well against him. If for whatever reason the Yanks do not get Darvish, THEN I spend the $$$ and go with Wilson. The current SP’s rumored to be available via the trade market\Gio et al, are just not worthy of their price tag\Montero+.

  387. blake November 26th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    At the same money I think its an interesting decision…..Darvish is younger and part of his deal wouldn’t go against the luxury tax……and his upside might be higher………but on the other hand we have seen Wilson actually you know….pitch in the big leagues so we know better what he is.

  388. GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    There is nothing about Stanton that is Kingman-like….except for the distance on his home runs. He will hit for average, will strike out less, plays a solid defense (and just learning the finer points) and he’s likeable. Except for all of that, they’re identical.

  389. GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    Kingman blackballed himself. He was impossible for clubs to deal with. Gorman Thomas was 3 times the player that Kingman was.

  390. tomingeorgia November 26th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    The most rabid fan hatred I’ve ever see, Sox-Yanks not withstanding, is Alabama-Auburn. Last year, a Bama fan used an herbicide to kill a grove of hundred year old + oaks on Auburn’s campus. He was caught, tried and convicted, His misfortune was that the judge was an Auburn man. I think hes doing 15 to 20.

  391. blake November 26th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Tom,

    The funny thing was that the reason they caught the guy who did it was because he called in to a radio show bragging about it.

  392. Tar November 26th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Blake

    20-7 :D .

    Did you see that NC State scored 35 points in the 4th qtr for a comeback win vs MD–wow

  393. tomingeorgia November 26th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    GB7,
    I posted this for you before, but don’t know if you missed it. An article you might enjoy:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....tional_pop

  394. blake November 26th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Tar,

    Yea I saw that….crazy

  395. tomingeorgia November 26th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    blake,
    My Auburn friends say he was a Bama grad, my Bama friends say he was someone turned down by both.

  396. blake November 26th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Tom,

    It was a pretty terrible thing to do…

  397. jacksquat November 26th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    15-20 for killing some trees? Sounds very extreme.

  398. tomingeorgia November 26th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Just talked about it during the game.

  399. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    I agree that Kingman brought the blackball on himself, but his numbers speak for themself. You cannot disregard what that guy could do at the plate. I believe MLB was afraid he would hit 500 HR and immediately get into the HOF when eligible, so the powers-that-be put the word out that Kingman was persona non grata in order to prevent that situation from occuring. Collusion was a reality back then.

  400. tomingeorgia November 26th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    jacksquat,
    I think the charges were malicious vandalism, destruction of property, malicious trespassing, and a whole bunch of other things. Remember, this is Alabama. They threw the whole book at him, as they should have.

    blake, I spent a few years in the tree nursery trade, planting things like the trees he killed. To do it it the name of a football rivalry??

  401. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Shoulda got Vincent LaGuardia Gambini to defend him. Vinny’s record in Alabama is perfect.

  402. blake November 26th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    If you think Kingman was good then you must be quite fond of Mark Reynolds ;) though Reynolds is probably better.

  403. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Reynolds better than Kingman? Not yet. The guy I believe that is underrated on the O’s is JJ Hardy. The Twinks got burned there.

  404. tomingeorgia November 26th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    DONNYBROOK,
    I don’t think his cousin could have gotten him off, either, even if he were an Auburn man.

  405. tomingeorgia November 26th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    Kingman was called “Doctor Strangeglove”.

  406. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    I believe the original Dr Strangeglove was the Mets Marvelous Marv Throneberry.

  407. tomingeorgia November 26th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    DONNY,
    Actually, it was Dick Stuart, I think.

  408. DONNYBROOK November 26th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Thanks. Seems like a lotta butchers running around MLB.

  409. GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Tom, thanks for the clip. I read it last night before going to sleep. Really interesting that even some in the military don’t know the difference between Special Forces and Special Operations Forces. It makes no difference since we fight for the same causes. The main difference I suppose is that we can go into towns and villeges and help rebuild things until heavy equipment units can take on the main tasks. Not just a bunch of hired gunslingers.

  410. GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Some of the worst of the slugging players were actually center fielders. If there had been DH slots back then, Hack Wilson and Hank Sauer wouldn’t have been allowed to own a glove.

  411. jacksquat November 26th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    Tom, while he should have been punished, unless he had an extensive criminal record, he killed some trees, not people. 15-20 is punishment for some much more serious crimes. It sounds like he did not get fair justice because the judge was biased, which is worse than the crime of killing the trees imo.

  412. tomingeorgia November 26th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    jacksquat,
    Just looked up the guy’s sentence, and it looks like 7 to 10, and, to tell the truth, I don’t know that the judge was an Auburn man. I don’t think the penalty was too harsh, though.

  413. GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Any jerk that destroys property that doesn’t belong to him, especially when they have local or national hisoric value, just because he wanted some kicks. He’s no better than the slug that killed the historically important 500 year old “Treaty Oak” in Austin, Texas back in 1989. He got 9 years.

  414. GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Actually, just looking it up, the “Treaty Oak” managed to survive after years and a lot of money was spent to save the tree with grafts, removing and replacing contaminated soil. treating it with sugar and spring water.

  415. tomingeorgia November 26th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    GB7,
    The Toomer’s Park oaks are still struggling to live, too, but the prognosis isn’t good.

  416. ron November 26th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    I wouldn’t take a chance on jurjjens & danks is also a big risk.

    The league batted .274 against danks,1.34 whip & way more hits than innings pitched.
    Already because of the garcia signing,noesi probably has no rotation spot yet.

    All the extra debth is important when you have a noesi or another young pitcher just starting out,but if we get a danks or jurjjens, one of hughes/nova/burnett has to come out of the rotation,and we just don’t know if that hurts or helps.

    Now if we trade for a cain/hamels,etc..,it would be an easy decision to take a burnett or hughes out & trade one or both,because cain & hamels are better,no doubts.

    I’d keep montero,banuelos,betances,unless i get an ace pitcher in return,not danks,jurjjens,who are not even number 2 pitchers.

    Hamels is the pitcher i want,and would go hard after he is a fa.

  417. blake November 26th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Game 7 of 2003 ALCS is on MLB network. Pedro, Bernie, Aaron Boone, Verducci, and Costas commentating.

  418. GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    tomingeorgia November 26th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
    GB7,
    The Toomer’s Park oaks are still struggling to live, too, but the prognosis isn’t good.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Tom, that’s really a pity. Not many things are more beautiful than a stand of 100+ year old oak trees with the moss hanging down. In savannah, with the oaks around all of the fountains, they’re part of the city’s history.

    At one time, the “Treaty Oak” in Austin was a stand of more than 20 oak trees that were cut down or just not taken care of until the history of the oaks were really learned. all of the Indian tribes in that area would gather there to sign tribal treaties and later with the white settlers. They finlly took tree grafts and sees to try and regrow decendents of the tree because they weren’t sure the original tree could be saved. Ross Perot donated 10s of thousands of dollars to help the project and DuPont, who made the herbicide that was killing the tree put out a reward of more than $10,000 for the arrest and conviction of the guy and they finally caught him. I’m no tree hugger, but, there are some things that need to be protected from jerks and neglect.

  419. GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    Can’t see the Yanks going after Buerle. With 12-15 teams with reported interest, the cost will be steep. Maybe after teams start dropping out of the competition.

  420. blake November 26th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Wilson is going to let Buerle sign first and then use his number to try to get the contract he wants Buerle will get a 4 year offer from somebody….probably the Nats.

  421. GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    ithlaw keithlaw
    Dammit, 28/30: Name the first 30 elements of the periodic table http://mentalfloss.com/quiz/qu.....9&p=1

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    somebody needs to tell that obnoxious idiot, Law that WAR and UZR are not elements or part of any meaningful part of life.

  422. GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Buerle is more valuable to more teams than Wilson is.

  423. blake November 26th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    “Buerle is more valuable to more teams than Wilson is.”

    maybe….but Wilson will get a bigger contract because the few teams that will chase him will be the ones with the cash

  424. GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Buerle is very much a left handed version of Mike Mussina. He can invent things on the fly if something isn’t working. Wilson hasn’t shown that ability except over the last year or so. Wait until he loses and couple of MPHs off the fastball. Buerle can also control base runners and field his position.d

  425. GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    Both will get the same amount per year. Buerle wasn’t fewer years. Wilson won’t get 5-6 years either.

  426. blake November 26th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    GB7,

    I don’t disagree….I’m just saying that Wilson will get more money because he’s a little younger and because he’s been a better pitcher the last 2 seasons. If they could sign Buerle for 2 years that would be awesome……but I think he’ll end up signing in the 4/60 range and I wouldn’t go there.

  427. austinmac November 26th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Treaty Oak in Austin is still alive but about 1/4 of it’s former size. People here were very angry.

  428. blake November 26th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    I think they will get in the same ballpark per year as well…..but I do think Wilson will get at least 5 years and somebody might even give him 6. (hope it’s not the Yankees)

  429. GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    austinmac November 26th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
    Treaty Oak in Austin is still alive but about 1/4 of it’s former size. People here were very angry.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Evening, Mac. Congrats on the new shortstop. Power hitter with speed will be a big help about 2030.

    Treaty Oak was a beautiful old tree when I was there years ago. I have some pix of it stored somewhere. I love Austin, though, I loved it more when it was a small town city back in the 70s. Can’t believe the changes that it’s taken. Bergstrom is deserted, many of the great old places on Guadalupe, 6th street. There were actually a few miles between Austin and Round Rock. Now it runs almost to San Marcos.

  430. GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    NYYs won’t give Wilson 5 years, either.

  431. GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Is Nova a 15 mil a year pitcher next year if he wins 16-17 games with a low 3 ERA? Not a chance and neither is Wilson.

  432. tucker November 26th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    CJ Wilson may be one of those pitchers that it pays to wait on to let his market develop. Of the high payroll teams, the Phils won’t bid and I doubt he Red Sox will with the Lackey memories too fresh. If the Nats sign Buerhle, they’ll likely be out. The Rangers probably want him back, but they are giving the public perception that they will be OK without him when Feliz moves into the rotation. The jays need rotation help, and the Angels may pursue him – if only to drive the price up for their division rivals. Cashman may be smart just to let the market develop – or not develop – so he can negotiate a relatively good deal. Of course, a lot of these teams are probably also considering Darvish.

  433. blake November 26th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    “Is Nova a 15 mil a year pitcher next year if he wins 16-17 games with a low 3 ERA? Not a chance and neither is Wilson.”

    somebody will think so most likely

  434. austinmac November 26th, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    GB,

    South Congress and the east side are now the hot places to live and play. That is a far cry from what they were.

    Thanks on the congrats. My son is a former player and Yankee fan. He’ll be grooming him

  435. Stoneburner November 27th, 2011 at 6:43 am

    GreenBeret7 November 26th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
    Is Nova a 15 mil a year pitcher next year if he wins 16-17 games with a low 3 ERA?

    **************

    A 24-25 year old about to enter his prime doing that in the AL East in YS – if he hit the open market after putting up that kind of supposed season – you bet he would get that and more.

  436. Gary November 27th, 2011 at 8:19 am

    blake November 26th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
    “Is Nova a 15 mil a year pitcher next year if he wins 16-17 games with a low 3 ERA? Not a chance and neither is Wilson.”

    somebody will think so most likely

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Morning, I guess this reallly calls into question what is the realtive salary of successful professional athletes anymore. Escalating ticket prices and the related sports items that get sold just give already rich owners more money to spend. Fans keep coming so they will keep paying. I agree with Blake a kid in his mid 20′s winning close to 20 games I’d say there is a market out there around these numbers if he continues to be successful. I personally think Roger Federer at $36M takes the cake for just playing tennis.

  437. MTU November 27th, 2011 at 8:24 am

    Just a very quick drive by to say hello.

    Hope all of you had a great Thanksgiving.

    I’m on the road.

    Catch you all later.

    Have a good one.

    :)

  438. DaSaint007 November 27th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    CMW was well on his way to being a $15+ million/year pitcher, hadn’t he been derailed by his injury. However, I firmly believe the Yankees would have traded him first, as they prefer strikeout pitchers and seemed like they would sell high on him.

  439. DaSaint007 November 27th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    If CC can be CC and win around 20 games again, Hughes bounce back and win at least 15, AJ improve on his win-loss ratio and win at least 15, and Nova hold his own and win at least 12 with 12 wins from Garcia, we’ll be in pretty good shape.

    Cashman has to decide whether there is a pitcher out there that can virtually guarantee better than 15 wins. If not, he may as well stick with what he has.

  440. blake November 27th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Gary,

    Yea….in free agency its much more about the specific market and how much teams are willing to pay a player than their actual value. Wilson may not be a 15 million dollar a year pitcher……but that doesn’t mean he wont get paid like one……same as Werth and Crawford aren’t close to worth their yearly salaries. Baseball is flush with money ….especially a few teams…..and they’ll pay extra to get what they need at times…..

    MTU,

    Are you in the air…..on the road…..or on foot? ;) happy thanksgiving.!

  441. Gary November 27th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    DaSaint007 November 27th, 2011 at 9:13 am
    If CC can be CC and win around 20 games again, Hughes bounce back and win at least 15, AJ improve on his win-loss ratio and win at least 15, and Nova hold his own and win at least 12 with 12 wins from Garcia, we’ll be in pretty good shape.

    Cashman has to decide whether there is a pitcher out there that can virtually guarantee better than 15 wins. If not, he may as well stick with what he has.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Desaint, I just think there are too many if’s with this pitching staff. I’d like to see a guy added to the staff that you have a reasonable projection that he goes out there and wins 15-20 games. CC has to get his pitch count down, his control last year especially in the second half wasn’t what it has been in the past. Hughes, who knows could be good or bad, impossible to predict, same for AJ. Garcia has no velocity and is getting by on pitching ability. It’s now a year later. Nova I think will have another good season.

  442. Gary November 27th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    DaSaint007 November 27th, 2011 at 9:09 am
    CMW was well on his way to being a $15+ million/year pitcher, hadn’t he been derailed by his injury. However, I firmly believe the Yankees would have traded him first, as they prefer strikeout pitchers and seemed like they would sell high on him.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I think also batters stopped swinging at that low pitch and then he couldn’t get it over for a strike. He had to bring the ball up and they creamed it.

  443. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Have you looked at Wilson’s career and pay structure? It took him 5 years to get to $1 mil a year because he was a lousy relief pitcher…usually worse than lousy. He’s not a $15 mil a year pitcher and never will be. You’re not talking about a Randy Johnson there. He’s certainly isn’t as good as Matt Cain. Wany was making $5 mil after 3 years as a starter, but, as good as he was, didn’t rate $15 mil in that amount of time. If Wilson holds up for two more years, I’d be surprised. He just isn’t worth that price. He’s not worth more than twice his paycheck now.

  444. Red Robin November 27th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Does anyone have a guess on how much ($) Chad makes per year ?

  445. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Nothing about Wang’s pitching changed until he got hurt. The ball was so heavy that they couldn’t “cream it” even when they hit it and the strikeouts were rising. Wang had a late start because of the injuries, but, he was well on his way to being another Mel Stottlemyre.

  446. austinmac November 27th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Garcia’s signing allows them to wait to see if they get rights to Darvish and more leverage in negotiating with him than if they were in desperation mode. I believe, based upon pure supposition, they will make a strong bid.

    I think Wilson is a significant risk. He would be a help, but not to the tune of $15M per year.

    My belief is the rotation does need another quality starter. The free agents are little better than what they have. They have a lot of trade competition for a starter. That leaves Darvish. Very expensive, but if the Yankee scouts have the faith in his ability, he is themway to go.

  447. yanks61 November 27th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    http://riveraveblues.com/2011/...../#comments

    RAB agrees about going after Darvish.

  448. blake November 27th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    GB,

    Were AJ Burnett…..John Lackey….Barry Zito…..etc 15 million dollar pitchers?…..again its a supply and demand thing and all that matters is what teams will pay…..not the players actually worth. He’ll get between 14-16 million per for 5 or 6 years years from somebody……Ill be really surprised if he doesn’t.

  449. blake November 27th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Im not saying he will be worth it……Im just saying he’ll get it. Also…..assuming Cain is healthy next winter he may get 20 per ……

  450. G-C November 27th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Wandy Rodriguez is a better pitcher than CJ Wilson.

    If Cashman is willing to deal out serious $ for Wilson he might as well explore what it would take to pry Wandy from Houston.

  451. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    It’s simply invalid to compare a SP that toils in the AL AND Arlington, to a SP that pitches in the NL West. I’m not saying Wilson is any great shakes, but the market is gonna take care of this guy, just as it did Lackey of late, and going back to Zito. Over the course of 162, you need guys that are gonna give you the innings and be somewhat effective, and your gonna pay the price if that’s what you immediately need. Cashman said he was gonna get a SP, and I believe him. No way a $200 Mill payroll relies on a Starting Staff with CC and and a cast of maybes including AJ. NO WAY. Cashman was forced to roll the bones with Freddy and Bartolo last season. I believe he is still paying back the kitty for his adddition of TEX back in “09″. Hal gave Cashman the TEX go-ahead, with the proviso that he was gonna have to pay-the-piper accordingly. Same rationale goes for signing Nick Johnson and all the other nickel-and-dime stuff we have witnessed since the TEX signing. Cashman oughtta be outta arears at this point, meaning either Wilson or Darvish if those players are willing. Knowing how Cashman covets his young, cheap, kids, I just don’t see him whelling and dealing for Danks to start the season. Cash would gamble onna reclamation project or 3 at the beginning of the season and see what transpires, before delving into what he regards as a treasure trove of youngsters for a rental\Danks or even Gio. Come July 31 when the Yankee playoff picture is clearer, Cashman is more apt to deal kids. Currently, he will throw $$$ around, and short of that go the reclamation route. He feels comfortable approaching the 2012 season in this manner due to the AL East having gotten weaker with the R\Sox in utter shambles.

  452. blake November 27th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Wandy is 2 years older and has had worse numbers the last 2 years in the NL central…..Wilson has been pitching in the best park for hitters in baseball.

    I’m not for signing Wilson exactly….but I’d much prefer that to trading prospects for Wandy.

  453. randy l. November 27th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    no team is that strong .
    the yankees can lay in the weeds and let others sign the bad contract with cj wilson.
    the yankees have more than enough veteran depth and young developmental prospects coming up to pass on cj wilson

    save the money to make changes on the fly.
    cashman does his best work when he has to scramble.

  454. blake November 27th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    hi Randy

  455. 86w183 November 27th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    I would try and find a team that was willing to trade for James Shields and then send him to me. The Rays may want to move that $$$ but would never trade him to the Yanks.

    Figure out what you would give up for Shields and see if someone likes that package enough to deal for him.

    I think the Yanks have too many guys who are just about ready for MLB and need to look to make trades since the FA class is minimal.

  456. blake November 27th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Devil’s advocate case for CJ Wilson.

    Although he’s 30 years old…..he’s only thrown 708 innings in the big leagues, which is a little more than half of what Felix Hernandez has thrown at 25.

    It’s also a similar number of innings that Cliff Lee had thrown at 30…..while age is generally a bad thing for a pitcher I think there is an argument to be made that Wilson’s arm may play a lot younger and that he could be a late bloomer and have more of a 30-35 prime than a 27-32 prime.

    He’s also put up 2 really good seasons in a row in a launching pad…..Texas’s ballpark inflates runs more than any other park right now. Wilson’s ERA+ has been similar to Sabathia’s the last 2 seasons and actually better in 2011.

    I’m not saying that he’s going to bloom late and be Cliff Lee (because he doesn’t have that sort of command) or that he’ll stay healthy or be worth the investment……but there are things to like when you look at him.

  457. Joe from Long Island November 27th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Happy post-Thanksgiving, all.

    Yanks61 – Thanks for the lead to the RAB editorial. I’ve found Moshe Mandel to be fairly reasonable and thoughtful, and on this one, he brings home a pretty good point. With the new CBA, it gets tougher for the Yanks to use their financial advantage.

    randy is right, they can still use that advantage to pick up needed players on the fly during the season, when others fall out of contention and look to clear payroll.

    However, with the second wild card, it figures that more teams will be in the hunt, for longer periods of time. I’d think that would curtail the mid-season market.

    Spending on Japanese players, coming through the posting system, presents an opportunity to still wield that financial muscle. Sure, it’s a big risk, greater than going with a Buerhle, Wilson, and such. The thing is, that lesser risk also comes with lesser reward; they’re simply not that great.

    Absolutely, Yu Darvish has a lot of question marks, especially for the money that will be required. But, it is one of the remaining ways for the Yanks to use their one big advantage.

    It becomes a financial decision, as well as a pure baseball talent question. Because of that, it’s going to come down to how much risk Hal can tolerate, emotionally as well as financially.

  458. blake November 27th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Wilson had a 2.31 ERA on the road in 2011….and a 2.91 ERA on the road in 2010

  459. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    -BLAKE-
    Devil’s advocate? You post far more +’s than -’s regarding Wilson. A Ray Walston you are not.l

  460. blake November 27th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Donny,

    uhm yes….the post was the case FOR signing him. Devil’s advocate because most are against it……as am I for the numbers predicted right now. If they could get him for 4/60 or 5/75 even I’d be interested.

  461. blake November 27th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    I could also make a case AGAINST signing him….

  462. Stoneburner November 27th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    “with the new CBA, it gets tougher for the Yanks to use their financial advantage.”

    While a true statement – in practice – the Yankees have not exactly been “flexing” their financial muscles. Take a look at recent drafts – first picks who have been at or near slot recommendations – a Heathcott, a Culver, a Bichette. When the Yankees do spend – it is in the later rounds and not on Stetson Allie or Josh Bell type players. For example – in 2010 – Mason Williams was grabbed for around 400,00 – above slot recommendation for I believe the fourth round – Greg Bird was paid more in 2011 – close to 1 million – but the OVERALL budget for the U.S. Amateur draft has been in decline for the Yankees – but they have drafted roughly the same – trying to find late round talent – go over slot for guys but not go crazy.
    The Yankees are actually well prepared given their last three drafts (post-Gerrit Cole 2008) to deal with these new CBA changes.

    Additionally – on the international FA front – the Yankees have not gone crazy when it comes to the July 1st signing period on the international front. If any team is going to be hurt – it will be the Texas Rangers – and now the Pirates and Royals – who use this signing period as a way to acquire young talent. The Yankees instead mine the international front for several players that wind up being paid as low as 12,000 to 100,000 and so on – only once in a while do you get the seven figure Gary Sanchez, Montero, Ramos, DeLeon, etc. Ravel Santana and Tejeda the catcher were not expensive pickups – nor was a young player over a decade ago out of DR – Robinson Cano. Even when they do get a Sanchez, Montero, or Ramos – that is their big prize for the offseason – unlike the Rangers or Royals who sign three or four guys for near over 20 million total.

    The Yankees already have a prospect finding/mining process that is new CBA friendly.

  463. Stoneburner November 27th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    I am actually okay with exploring Wandy R. Darvish now intrigues me. I live in the DFW area – chatter that Wilson’s personality might not be best for NY – (kind of like another Rangers lefty who came to NY in the mid-90s – the gambler – Kenny Rogers – also a converted lefty reliever to starter)

  464. blake November 27th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    “the Yankees have not exactly been “flexing” their financial muscles. ”

    no they haven’t….but I wonder if that’s because of a shift in thinking or more because where they have been picking there aren’t any players that they feel are worth the risk.

    Last year I wanted them to gamble on Norris or Bell and try to sign them over slot…..they could have had them both. The Blue Jays paid over for Norris and the Pirates did for Bell…..

    I think they’ll figure out how to work the new system….but it will make it tougher for them to get the elite international guys I think once the new system goes into place.

  465. blake November 27th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    You have to trade for Wandy though and with a pretty affordable contract and him being the Astros only real asset…I can’t imagine he’d be cheap. He’s a 3 or 4 in the AL east and he’s 32 years old…..don’t think he’s a good fit personally. I’d rather over pay Buerle in dollars for that type guy

  466. Joe from Long Island November 27th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Stoneburner – good discussion of the topic. You’re right about the Yanks most recent history. It’s almost as if they were expecting something like came about in the CBA. One thing that I think they’ve been doing is investing more in scouting, both professional and amateur.

    Scouting and coaching/development is another area where they can still throw around their financial weight.

  467. blake November 27th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    “Scouting and coaching/development is another area where they can still throw around their financial weight.”

    yea…they should really make this a priority.

  468. blake November 27th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
    Perception is, redsox ownership wants valentine. Lamont was on gm’s list. Would take quite a set for cherington to buck owners
    1 minute ago

    doesn’t seem like Cherington has much power….

  469. Stoneburner November 27th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    “I think they’ll figure out how to work the new system….but it will make it tougher for them to get the elite international guys I think once the new system goes into place.”

    But the thing is – they have been getting elite international guys – it is just that the signings they make are not guys on BA’s Ben Bradler’s list of top notch prospects – remember Michael Iona – everyone wanted him – he got a ridiculous contract from the As that the Yanks could easily have matched – but they felt it was not worth it. But the Yanks now have an elite international guy – Ravel Santana – and he was not a big BA mid to high seven figure bonus guy.

    The last time the Yanks went crazy – or tried to – was Gerrit Cole and Andrew Brackman – maybe they learned a lesson

    My personal opinion is that the Yankees’ philosophy and approach to prospect drafting, signing, and mining is already CBA friendly – a diverse approach that does not cater to BA or Keith Law that also adheres to a reasonable budget. Now instead of a budget being handed to Openneheimer and the international staff by management – they are already with a CBA cap in mind.

  470. tucker November 27th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    The CBA does restrict the YAnks’ ability to spend. But as you point out, the Yanks have become allot more conservative on the draft and international market in recent years. They also have been relatively conservative signing free agents since the 2008-09 offseason. Let’s face it, the team is not A’s exciting in the offseason as it once was. But the team is well managed and still produces results. I think they are well positioned to succeed under the new CBA rules, which ironically may hurt small market teams that have invested more in the draft in recent years.

  471. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank November 27th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Is the Darvish posting a blind auction bid?
    Or do teams have a chance to outbid each other ala storage wars?

  472. Stoneburner November 27th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    blake November 27th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
    SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
    Perception is, redsox ownership wants valentine. Lamont was on gm’s list. Would take quite a set for cherington to buck owners
    1 minute ago

    doesn’t seem like Cherington has much power….

    ********

    This is very interesting – inmates might be running the asylum – Theo probably saw the writing on the wall. . . .

  473. tucker November 27th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Not as exciting — auto correct is the bane of my existence

  474. Stoneburner November 27th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank November 27th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
    Is the Darvish posting a blind auction bid?
    Or do teams have a chance to outbid each other ala storage wars?

    **********

    I believe blind.

  475. randy l. November 27th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    hey blake, good to see you’re keeping up the good work on lohud.

    wilson seems like a very good pitcher, but these are the kind of economic times to be cash rich in anything you do, it gives flexibility .

    the yankees will have pitchers emerging from within the organization. they have CC. hughes should be back to form. aj burnett is a useful though high maintenance guy. garcia helps. and nova is just plain good.

    i just don’t see any need to spend a lot over the long term for wilson when they yankees aren’t even in trouble in the short term.

  476. blake November 27th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Stoneburner,

    good point and maybe in the future that’s where the best scouting will help…..finding the diamonds in the rough….evaluating players differently than others. Perhaps they started this with Dante Jr?…..who knows.

  477. Stoneburner November 27th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Joe from Long Island November 27th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
    Stoneburner – good discussion of the topic. You’re right about the Yanks most recent history. It’s almost as if they were expecting something like came about in the CBA. One thing that I think they’ve been doing is investing more in scouting, both professional and amateur.

    ********

    Joe – I had the same thought when I heard/read the new CBA – I thought they were already kind of doing it based on Q&A’s from Oppenheimer and Newman after recent drafts and July 1st signing periods. I do not know if they had an idea this was coming – it could be various factors – maybe the Gerrit Cole 2008 situation rubbed a lot the wrong way of not putting all of your draft budget and apples in one bucket.

  478. blake November 27th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Randy,

    good to see you….I don’t necessarily disagree. I do think they have been chasing an established #2 type guy for awhile now though….so if they like the price on one I think they may move…..if not though they can be content knowing that they can make the playoffs as is. They’ve built an organization now that is self sufficient for the most part….something that was nowhere close to the case 10 years ago.

  479. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    I woulda been interested in Wandy last July 31, with the R\Sox being vulnerable to lefties. For the time being the Cold War vs Boston is over, meaning I pass on Wandy. In the AL, Buehrle is merely an innings eater at this point in his career. If the $$$ are remotely close, that guy is gonna flee to the NL. I always found it amusing that the Great Greg Maddox wanted absolutely no part of the AL.

  480. Stoneburner November 27th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    I woulda been interested in Wandy last July 31, with the R\Sox being vulnerable to lefties. For the time being the Cold War vs Boston is over, meaning I pass on Wandy. In the AL, Buehrle is merely an innings eater at this point in his career.

    *********

    If you can get Wandy as a salary dump/low prospect exchange – I would do it – he is kind of what they are looking for at this point – an experienced lefty with a two year contract.

    I am giving Buehrle a bit more credit than being an innings eater. Burnett is an innings eater for the most part – plug him in for 200 innings and hope for the best. Buerhle is a groundball lefty with big game experience – works quickly – has a good mental makeup and still 32. He would help any win now team.

  481. tucker November 27th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    One of the beat writers pointed out that teams may spend big on just 3 of their top 10 picks. This will bring down overall spending on the draft. Could this prompt more high school players to go to college instead? Will more latin players go to Japan rather than settling on restricted bonuses from MLB teams? On the surface, the CBA looks like a disaster for international players.

  482. blake November 27th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    gotta run…..special on the 2009 WS is coming on MLB network at 12:30….

  483. randy l. November 27th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    blake-

    i wouldn’t be crying if the yankees signed wilson :)

    it’s just that i the yankees have worked so hard on developing from within that i’d like that to remain the main focus.

    the red sox have imploded in such a historic way, it’s not like the yankees have to pull things out of their butt to succeed.

    signing wilson seems more important for developing a playoff edge rather than a regular season edge

  484. Stoneburner November 27th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    tucker November 27th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
    One of the beat writers pointed out that teams may spend big on just 3 of their top 10 picks. This will bring down overall spending on the draft. Could this prompt more high school players to go to college instead? Will more latin players go to Japan rather than settling on restricted bonuses from MLB teams? On the surface, the CBA looks like a disaster for international players.

    ********

    On the international front – it will hurt the Michael Iona’s and the excessive big ticket guys the Rangers and Royals have signed in recent July’s – but not the young talent like Ravel Santana’s – who signed for modest prices and is now possibly their best positional prospect in the lower minors.

  485. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    One thing I believe teams oughtta get away from is drafting college SP’s. The college coaches pitch these guys till their arms are ready to fall off. Much like a car, even though it looks and sounds good, if it’s got 100,000 miles on the odometer you know it’s gonna need repairs shortly. Same goes for college SP’s. If I’m looking for SP’s, I get the best right outta high school when the mileage is low. A team then can even control the stretching out of an arm\pitch counts over a long periond of time if it feels that is important.

  486. randy l. November 27th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    joe from long island-

    any of the regulars been around?

    i’ve been down in florida playing golf and haven’t had much time to check the blog that much.
    i saw pat m is going to start yoga. now that’s going to be interesting. not as interesting as gb7 doing yoga, but still interesting.

    i think the yankees have emerged as the clear leader in the american league and just have to figure out some way to increase their probability in the post season.

  487. Giuseppe Franco November 27th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    The Yanks have indeed taken a more conservative approach in their offseason and midseason acquisitions but they’ve also been much smarter in addressing their needs.

    Cashman will not get fleeced by another GM simply because they are the Yankees. He has talked repeatedly about the “Yankee tax.”

    Also, and perhaps even more importantly, the organization is relying much more on their youngsters to solve issues rather simply throwing money at the problem and making bad decisions like they were doing regularly in the mid-2000s.

    Building up the farm system has made a huge difference in their overall philosophy in recent years.

  488. tucker November 27th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    It becomes all the more important for the Yanks to build strong ties withthe baseball factories in the DR and Venezuela – schools such as the one run by Cano’s dad. The Red Sox have very few inroads in Latin America, which was Theo’s failing. The Yanks seem to have a good handle on the talent down there.

  489. 86w183 November 27th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    The CBA is a bad one for international FA and elite US High School talent. Probably good for college baseball.

    Yanks will adjust accordingly as will everyone else. Look for a lot of players to slip out of the top ten rounds so that teams can safely overpay for those who they know wont accept “slot”. Teams wont want to waste a top ten pick on a guy who is not going to sign.

    Wish there was a way to stockpile 11th round picks. The talent there might be the best we’ve ever seen.

  490. Stoneburner November 27th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    tucker November 27th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
    It becomes all the more important for the Yanks to build strong ties withthe baseball factories in the DR and Venezuela – schools such as the one run by Cano’s dad. The Red Sox have very few inroads in Latin America, which was Theo’s failing. The Yanks seem to have a good handle on the talent down there.

    *******

    Very true – Yanks have a presence in Latin America now for over 30 years with significant results: from Panama w/ Mo, Ramiro Mendoza and at one time Ruben Rivera – to Venezuela w/ Montero and before him Jackson Melian (while he did not pan out he was a huge presence in the 90s) to the Dominican Republic w/ Cano and the new group of prospects from Tejeda to Santana – to even Puerto Rico w/ Bernie and Posada AND then Mexico w/ Banuelos, Aceves, and Vazquez.

    The Sux – not so much. . . .save generational Jose Iglesias from Cuba (I do not count Hanley Ramirez – b/c that was a Duquette regime signing and the Sox ownership went crazy on Duquette’s philosophy/legacy when they fired him after taking over – even though he was the true architect of the 2004 team’s core)

  491. comet November 27th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank do have trigeminal Neuralgia? I have it and would like to talk with someone else who has it.

  492. 86w183 November 27th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    One way or the other the Yanks need to end up with another lefty in the rotation. Wilson is the best talent, but the most expensive in $$$$. Buerhle is definitely a better option than trading for Wondy Rodriguez.

    I would make CJ Wilson an offer, but would limit it to 4 years, $ 60-64 M.

    That probably doesn’t get it done and I’m okay with that.

  493. Joe from Long Island November 27th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    randy – hi, hope you’re golf game is going well. No, you’ve not missed much. I think most have been busy with Thanksgiving, as we should. Pat M. is taking yoga – I hear that’s the big thing with all the old timers ;)

    Agreed, the Yanks don’t have to do much. They’ve got pretty much what they need in terms of pitching, and Cash has the luxury of being in the drivers’ seat, somewhat. I wouldn’t be surprised if they go in on Darvish, but I don’t think CJ Wilson for 5-6 years in NY is going to happen.

    I think one of the many reasons why they want to hold onto Tony Pena is that he’s held in very high regard in the DR. He’s got a lot of insight into what’s going on there.

  494. tucker November 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Stoneburner, even Iglesias was a guy who received a lot of hype. It took no special baseball acumen to sign him – just a checkbook. He’s not really panning out anyway. He can’t hit at AAA …

    I think that is one difference with the Yanks. They don’t take the players hyped by Baseball America or those who get a lot of attention before signing, whether it’s the international market or domestic draft. So the Yanks don’t sign guys like Inoa, but they evaluate guys like Santana at a higher level.

    The Yanks did not have interest in Iglesias, but they did pursue Hechevarria, who chose the Jays instead because he saw a quicker path to the majors.
    Hechevarria certainly looks like he better prospect.

    Same is true with the US draft. They take chances on guys like Culver, Bichette Jr. and Bleich. Some work out, and some don’t. But baseball’s intelligistia — Keith law, etc. — often pan the Yankees for these choices. Yet the farm system is as strong as ever. The Yanks are well prepared to prosper under the new CBA.

  495. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Could be a free agent log-jam for both SP’s and Hitters. SP’s waiting on Wilson and Darvish to set the top bar on the market, and Sticks waiting on Pujols and Fielder for the exact same reason. Could make for a lotta talk and not much more at the Winter Meetings inna week.

  496. DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    With Montero not having a position other than Catcher, Tony Pena takes on added significance at the MLB Level long term.

  497. tomingeorgia November 27th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Hurry home, Chad!

  498. RadioKev November 27th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    “Despite the risks, the changing nature of the game makes taking a chance on Darvish the right play for the Yankees.”

    I whole heartedly agree with RAB, I’ve been saying it for a few weeks now. This could be the Yankees last shot at big time upside in a long while (until they become bad enough to draft high..). Commit and then see what happens.

  499. Gary November 27th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    DONNYBROOK November 27th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
    Could be a free agent log-jam for both SP’s and Hitters. SP’s waiting on Wilson and Darvish to set the top bar on the market, and Sticks waiting on Pujols and Fielder for the exact same reason. Could make for a lotta talk and not much more at the Winter Meetings inna week.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Yanks played their last game on October 7th, there is slow motion and then there is this. Watching football at least something is happening. Maybe somebody will make some moves before the pitchers and catchers report. :-)

  500. Dionysius Thelxinoe November 27th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    tucker says:
    November 27, 2011 at 12:54 pm
    baseball’s intelligistia — Keith law, etc

    ——-

    Keith Law? The same Keith Law who was once denied entry into the BBWAA for not actually attending enough games? That Keith Law?

  501. 108 stitches November 27th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Without doing any research, I’ll bet that this “Happy Thansgiving for Freddy Garcia” thread will be the longest lasting thread right through the 2012 season, including the postseason.

  502. blake November 27th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Heymans are 0-2 when it comes to baseball coverage.

  503. tomingeorgia November 27th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    This is the way blogs die.

  504. Red Robin November 27th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    PeteAbe has been working today .

  505. Red Robin November 27th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    [ echo of silence ]

  506. DaSaint007 November 27th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    The Yankees are in the enviable position of 1) NOT having to do anything and still be competitive, and 2) having the financial resources to do something (Darvish, Buehrle, Wilson), and 3) having excellent pitching depth at AAA alone, near ready to go for the big club or for trade (Banuelos, Betances, Kontos, Mitchell, Phelps, Warren, and Whelan), whether for 2012 or beyond.

    The 7 young pitchers mentioned will not of course all make the team. In fact, it’s possible that no more than 4 may make the team in the rotation and bullpen. And this doesn’t even take into account the recognized catching depth that’s available for either the team or trade (Cervelli, Montero, Romine, Sanchez, and Higashioka).

    It’s bad enough that the competition has traditionally had to deal with the Yankees financial muscle, but now having to deal with a talented system gives the Yankees additional leverage not only against other teams, but also with Free Agents, as they Yankees need not overspend, yet retain the ability to do so increasingly at their choosing.

  507. LGY November 27th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Josh Lueke, rapist and secondary piece in the infamous Jack Z Cliff Lee dealings, traded to the Rays for John Jaso.

    Statement from Rays saying they were not aware of Lueke’s past expected.

  508. tomingeorgia November 27th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    LGY,
    Convicted?

  509. rb from LI November 27th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    LGY, didn’t the Mariners say the same thing after the Lee trade?

  510. RadioKev November 27th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Aaaaand speaking of which:

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin.....on.html?hp

  511. mick November 27th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    CC,Nova,Burnett,Hughes,Garcia….the signing of Garcia indicates no more starters are on the horizon.
    We can go into the season with that 5 unless they want to pursue Colon but he would be just for insurance and would have to be lights out in ST or Hughes would have to hurt again.
    No more 6 man.

  512. mick November 27th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    # tomingeorgia November 27th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    This is the way blogs die.
    ==================
    Why?
    We don’t need topics here.
    Just people.

  513. mick November 27th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Forget Colon, let him go to Boston with Ayala, we have Noesi.

  514. tomingeorgia November 27th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    mick,
    OK, but 2 posts in four days? Axisa worked this weekend.

  515. tomingeorgia November 27th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    People don’t want to chew cud forerver.

  516. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank November 27th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    Tom,/mick
    Agreed,, the topics aren’t necessary to fuel conversation, but in this world of 24/7 news, freshness of headlines is mandatory..

  517. blake November 27th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Axisa and co. do a nice job with their site…..they update info very frequently and give good analysis and opinion. I don’t always agree with the opinion portion but its usually well reasoned …….

    Chad does a great job ……but when he’s away….the attention here falls off big time. I know its a slow period right now…..but there hasn’t been a new post in like 3 days.

  518. tomingeorgia November 27th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Trigemianl,

    The decisions the the Yankees make this year will be sane. That’s all I hope.

  519. blake November 27th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 3 hours #tigers have inquired on aramis ramirez. Good fit. Would be major offensive upgrade

    Yea that would be a good fit if they’ll pay the money….the Tigers could be set up to own the central for a few years.

  520. blake November 27th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal

    Breaking: #Astros expected to announce major changes Monday,including dismissal of GM Ed Wade. Full story coming shortly. #MLB

    This is devastating news…….for the Phillies

  521. Nick in SF November 28th, 2011 at 12:08 am

    Thanksgiving weekend is already over in Japan, what’s Yu Darvish up to?????

  522. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2011 at 12:40 am

    Tigers already own the Central by default. W\Sox are rebuilding, Twinks Mauer\Morneau foundation
    is cracked, and the Indians mortgaged their future with the Ubaldo Jimenez deal last Julyl. Aramis would obviously make the Tigers better offensively, but it’s overkill at this point in time. The Tigers would be better off waiting till July 31 to see what they need, and Then using their resources to act accordingly with the Playoffs in mind.

  523. BX33 November 28th, 2011 at 12:58 am

    We have been discussing Freddy Garcia’s Thanksgiving for 4 days

  524. yanks61 November 28th, 2011 at 3:58 am

    Good morning Lohud people. Two items from late last night’s MLBTR:

    “The Astros have confirmed in a press release that they are letting General Manager Ed Wade and President of Baseball Operations Tal Smith go.

    Wandy Rodriguez represents an appealing option for several teams looking to improve their starting pitching, writes Stephen Goff of Examiner. Earlier today, Nick Cafardo of The Boston Globe wrote that the Astros are getting more and more inquiries about the availability of the 32-year-old and the Red Sox are among the interested clubs.”

    Thoughts?

    By the way, next time Chad goes away, maybe he could appoint a volunteer from amongst his loyal following on this blog to keep the discussion going with some new posts!

  525. PacoDooley November 28th, 2011 at 4:21 am

    tomingeorgia November 27th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
    This is the way blogs die.

    =========================

    I have to say, I have always been impressed with the way that the folks here have slotted in people to cover when they are away or have had a backlog of posts to add over the holiday/vacation without having to do more work.

    So I am really surprised that Chad et al. have left the blog unattended for so many days. It is definitely a costly decision since they will inevitably lose some slice of their audience.

  526. Villa Nova-Ya November 28th, 2011 at 6:24 am

    There hasn’t been any Yankees news since Garcia signed.

    And the “new topic” has long ago stopped meaning a change in topics by the participants here. Sure, the first few posts in a new topic reference the new subject, but then the dialog goes back to whatever it was in the prior thread(s), usually including reposts from the prior threads that ensure that the prior topic will be continued.

    There really isn’t anything new to discuss right now. The winter meetings start soon and activity will pick up.

    People didn’t like when Pete would post his latest iPod additions or the movies he went to, but those were the “new posts” that went up when baseball news was slow. And people came and talked about the movies they saw, and the music they were into. It wasn’t baseball, but when there wasn’t any baseball to discuss, when every trade proposal possibility had been beaten to death, this place was still getting a lot of posts, a lot of activity.

    The people who frequent this blog nowadays have discouraged “non-baseball” talk – disparaging those who would dare to discuss/share their methods for roasting a turkey or their choice in dinner music. And this is what is left. Nothing left to talk about when baseball news goes dormant, as it always does for a time or two during the course of the off-season. And the people who are bored with talking about who the Yankees should or shouldn’t sign (because the scenarios haven’t really changed for over month now), aren’t bothering to repeat what they’ve already said a time or two or three before.

    I mean, how many times can you post about who you think the starting rotation is going to be before it gets a little stale?

    But I digress. My point was, all the complaining about no new topic is ridiculous when you look back at the last month or so, and see that even when a new topic is introduced, the same old conversation follows it over, with barely a nodding reference to the fact that Chad (or whoever) wrote about something else entirely.

  527. blake November 28th, 2011 at 7:10 am

    The comments section here has always been really just one continuous conversation amongst the community of “regulars”. Some people like that and some don’t……..

    However I do think that the lack of coverage when Chad is away is telling…..

    Re: Wandy. If the shanks needed a back end guy…..a guy to eat innings and win a few games then id say ok……but they have those guys and I just don’t see the need for another 3 or 4 starter……..just don’t see him as making a difference.

    The Yanks coukd use an impact starter……a guy to either pair with or right behind CC. If they can’t get one then IMO they should just stick with what they have…..Wandy would be redundant and they’d have to trade for him. He actually makes a lot more sense for Boston than he does the Yankees.

  528. blake November 28th, 2011 at 7:14 am

    Yanks……not shanks

  529. blake November 28th, 2011 at 7:18 am

    Maybe the Astros will just cut the middle man out and hire Rubin Amaro to be their GM too

  530. Villa Nova-Ya November 28th, 2011 at 7:27 am

    blake -

    It was always a little more diverse – in the off season especially.

    But my point was, if it’s always one long extended conversation, why complain that the lead-in hasn’t changed? It makes little difference or impact upon what is actually being discussed within the thread.

  531. blake November 28th, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Villa,

    I don’t think its because diverse conversation is frowned upon as much as it is some of the folks that started those conversations don’t post anymore…..

    The only problem I have with it is that I think it may suggest the site isn’t a real priority for the paper…….it is the offseason but even during the season if Chad isn’t around the quality of information just falls off a cliff. Sam kinda filled that gap when he was here….

  532. Gary November 28th, 2011 at 7:35 am

    Villa Nova-Ya November 28th, 2011 at 6:24 am
    There hasn’t been any Yankees news since Garcia signed.

    And the “new topic” has long ago stopped meaning a change in topics by the participants here. Sure, the first few posts in a new topic reference the new subject, but then the dialog goes back to whatever it was in the prior thread(s), usually including reposts from the prior threads that ensure that the prior topic will be continued.

    There really isn’t anything new to discuss right now. The winter meetings start soon and activity will pick up.

    People didn’t like when Pete would post his latest iPod additions or the movies he went to, but those were the “new posts” that went up when baseball news was slow. And people came and talked about the movies they saw, and the music they were into. It wasn’t baseball, but when there wasn’t any baseball to discuss, when every trade proposal possibility had been beaten to death, this place was still getting a lot of posts, a lot of activity.

    The people who frequent this blog nowadays have discouraged “non-baseball” talk – disparaging those who would dare to discuss/share their methods for roasting a turkey or their choice in dinner music. And this is what is left. Nothing left to talk about when baseball news goes dormant, as it always does for a time or two during the course of the off-season. And the people who are bored with talking about who the Yankees should or shouldn’t sign (because the scenarios haven’t really changed for over month now), aren’t bothering to repeat what they’ve already said a time or two or three before.

    I mean, how many times can you post about who you think the starting rotation is going to be before it gets a little stale?

    But I digress. My point was, all the complaining about no new topic is ridiculous when you look back at the last month or so, and see that even when a new topic is introduced, the same old conversation follows it over, with barely a nodding reference to the fact that Chad (or whoever) wrote about something else entirely.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Villa, morning. Lots of good stuff in your post. I agree there isn’t much to talk about. Much of the conversation is dominated by the side that wants to just stay pat and do nothing and picks apart any potential player coming to the Yanks. I don’t think there is anything perfect or a guarantee about any player. Seems pretty petty some of the comments about this person or that player, especially with some of the outstanding play or lack there of that several of our high priced players. Annoys me how low the bar gets set by some people. The other side including me recognizes that we do need change and as you observed it is pretty boring right now to just keep going over the same stuff over and over, CJ Wilson, Darvish ect. Right now it’s sleep walking, like to just get the phase over and talk about the team we are going to fielding next year.

  533. PacoDooley November 28th, 2011 at 7:39 am

    But my point was, if it’s always one long extended conversation, why complain that the lead-in hasn’t changed? It makes little difference or impact upon what is actually being discussed within the thread.
    =======================

    Personally, I was commenting on the fact that a lack of updates can hurt the blog, not really a judgement about the comments and flow of conversations. I must check the blog 10 times a day to see what the conversation topic of the moment is, but I think that there is always some background level of Yankees news. Like more on the CBA and its impact on the team etc. I like to see the blog succeed since I like the people that run it and so I want to see them maximize its impact.

    I prefer the discussion to focus on baseball since that is what I come here for. Not sure what counts as the community here – I assume people like me that have been readers since the time that the blog was launched and who read it daily and comment regularly, are part of a community. But I would hate the ‘community’ to be viewed solely as those that post dozens of times a day and flow through all conversations!

    I would think that they would want to look for a way to have a general discussions forum as part of the blog and have the blog posts as a separate piece of their local bit of the net. That way we could both have the free flowing conversations and also have comments on blog posts that are relevant and on topic…

  534. Gary November 28th, 2011 at 7:40 am

    Villa, I’m sure Pete would have gotten in something about the Pats yesterday over the Eagles.

  535. PacoDooley November 28th, 2011 at 7:42 am

    How about a line of coversation – favorite Yankees of the last 30 years, and why.

    My top choice – David Cone – why? He represents the re-emergence of the great Yankees franchise. They were building a quality team when he arrived, but he seemed to lend legitimacy to the team, which propelled them to reach new heights. He is also a great commentator, and so we can continue to enjoy when he joins the broadcast team.

    My second choice? Donny Baseball – not much needs to be said – he was the lone star that carried the team into the new era – too bad he didn’t have a few more quality seasons left in him.

  536. Gary November 28th, 2011 at 7:44 am

    PacoDooley November 28th, 2011 at 7:39 am
    But my point was, if it’s always one long extended conversation, why complain that the lead-in hasn’t changed? It makes little difference or impact upon what is actually being discussed within the thread.
    =======================

    Personally, I was commenting on the fact that a lack of updates can hurt the blog, not really a judgement about the comments and flow of conversations. I must check the blog 10 times a day to see what the conversation topic of the moment is, but I think that there is always some background level of Yankees news. Like more on the CBA and its impact on the team etc. I like to see the blog succeed since I like the people that run it and so I want to see them maximize its impact.

    I prefer the discussion to focus on baseball since that is what I come here for. Not sure what counts as the community here – I assume people like me that have been readers since the time that the blog was launched and who read it daily and comment regularly, are part of a community. But I would hate the ‘community’ to be viewed solely as those that post dozens of times a day and flow through all conversations!

    I would think that they would want to look for a way to have a general discussions forum as part of the blog and have the blog posts as a separate piece of their local bit of the net. That way we could both have the free flowing conversations and also have comments on blog posts that are relevant and on topic…

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I just come in the early morning, I find that the conversation as the day goes on becomes very unreasonable and personal. Several people arrive as the day goes on and we know who they are that just attack, attack, have a my way or highway attitude and they are the only experts within the community.

  537. blake November 28th, 2011 at 7:54 am

    Its a cliche choice…..but the cap’n is my favorite Yankee of the last 30 years…….followed closely by Posada, Paul Oneil, Rivera, and Donny.

  538. Gary November 28th, 2011 at 8:00 am

    PacoDooley November 28th, 2011 at 7:42 am
    How about a line of coversation – favorite Yankees of the last 30 years, and why.

    My top choice – David Cone – why? He represents the re-emergence of the great Yankees franchise. They were building a quality team when he arrived, but he seemed to lend legitimacy to the team, which propelled them to reach new heights. He is also a great commentator, and so we can continue to enjoy when he joins the broadcast team.

    My second choice? Donny Baseball – not much needs to be said – he was the lone star that carried the team into the new era – too bad he didn’t have a few more quality seasons left in him.
    ___________________________________________________________________________

    O’Neil and Bernie

  539. yanks61 November 28th, 2011 at 8:01 am

    To add to the diversity of the baseball discussion, Mike Axisa at RAB recalls this below; (kind of funny – O’Connor’s comments on ARod – and scary – many fans impatience with Cano and over-evaluation of Ransom – at the same time. Very often it pays to be patient with kids.)

    “In a column that has since disappeared off the face of the internet, Ian O’Connor infamously argued that the Yankees were better off with Ransom at third than Alex. “[F]acts are facts,” he wrote. “The Yankees haven’t reached the World Series in Rodriguez’s five seasons, and they reached six in the eight seasons before he arrived. Coincidence, or guilty as charged?” That sounds even sillier now than it did back then, and of course Ransom was awful in 2009. He was hitting .180/.226/.320 when he blew out his quad in late-April, then he resurfaced in late-June as the utility infielder. With his batting line sitting on .190/.256/.329 on August 8th, the Yankees sent Ransom packing and released him.”

    “A faction of fans though Ransom was worthy of regular playing time that offseason, perhaps inserting him as the regular first baseman or making him him a super-utility guy that plays a different position every day or by trading the disappointing Robinson Cano (.271/.305/.410 in 2008) and making him the full-time second baseman.”

  540. Mike Ri November 28th, 2011 at 8:07 am

    Past 30 years – considering im 30 myself –

    - grew up with Jeter —

    Jeter –
    Scott Brosius -
    Paul O’Neil -
    Arod -

  541. blake November 28th, 2011 at 8:09 am

    Pete abe joined O’conner in that crazy talk.

  542. Gary November 28th, 2011 at 8:09 am

    Yanks 61, I think the big question is what should we expect from ARod in the future? In the past ARod was a horse, he could be dominant in the game and he was out there pretty much everyday. Is Arod going to reassume something approaching that levle of play or is it going to somewhat follow what we saw last year.

  543. Baseball Mogul November 28th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    1. O’Neill 2. Mo 3. El Duque 4. Bernie 5. Mike Pagliarulo (My best friend Mike wore #13 and played 3rd base so we rooted hard for Pags. Not much to cheer about on those Yankee teams).

  544. blake November 28th, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Why Jeter?

    Because he has delivered on the hype for 15+ years now.

    Here you had a kid that was promoted to the Yankees and given #2 ……he was expected from day 1 to be one of the greats with Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, and Mantle and under the brightest spotlight and most pressure he delivered……and did so with class.

    He is what the Yankees personifyand on top pf that he’s one of the greatest SS’s that ever lived…..greatest in the modern era IMO

  545. upstate kate November 28th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    good morning

    current Yankee- Jeter (see Blake’s reasons)

    within last 30 years (sort of)- Ron Guidry

  546. pat November 28th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Got an email this morning that Yankees are offering “holiday ticket packages” if anyone is interested.

    Pricing starts at 9 games for $90 for grandstand seats.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/nyy/ticketi.....-235110846

  547. Jesus November 28th, 2011 at 8:45 am

    Amusing that some complain because no one at The Journal News puts up new threads often enough when Mr. Jennings takes well deserved time off to be with his family to celebrate a holiday where people give thanks for what they have. Normal people have lives and don’t have the time or desire to create a new post when there are more important and constructive things to do. Perhaps budget cuts at the paper come in to play ? Or maybe no one can be bothered at this time of year ?

    There is no news worth salt anyway that anyone else here hasn’t already uncovered from one of the other sites and brought up here anyway. People expect new posts every three hours like it is spring training or the regular season because this is their sole source of entertainment, have no lives and basically monitor this site 24 – 7. Sad deal, why not watch a movie, go for a walk, read a book ? This site will be here when you return.

    Naw………… some must have ADD to post every hour on the hour, day in and day out so they may be recognized and heard, ever give a thought to how funny that looks to others especially when the conversations degrades to the same stuff over and over and over again ?

    Naw……………just rotate it, the same trades again and again, the same free agents over and over, the minor roster move suggestions to no end……………funny, funny stuff.

  548. pat November 28th, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Derek being mentioned with Ruth, DiMaggio, Gehrig and Mantle puts him in the category of legendary player.

    Would he still be considered a legendary player if he was drafted by the Astros, Indians, Expos or Orioles in 1992 instead of the NY Yankees?

  549. blake November 28th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    “Would he still be considered a legendary player if he was drafted by the Astros, Indians, Expos or Orioles in 1992 instead of the NY Yankees?”

    Yes because unless you think his numbers would be different…..he’d still be one of the greatest SS’s of all time. Now would he be what he has become with the Yankees……probably not…..but you coukd say the same thing for any Yankee great. Would Mantle have been Mantle playing for KC or the Expos if they were around then?

  550. Villa Nova-Ya November 28th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    I do agree that no attention by the “powers that be” could be reflective of the their perspective on the importance of this blog to their business model. It could be that there is not as much “green” in it as they had hoped.

    But I just wanted to point out that in the past, a new post didn’t necessarily mean it was something baseball related. (And Gary, I agree – there would have been a Patriots mention by Pete. But for as much grief – some deserved – as he gets here, he did try to keep conversation moving even if it was to blatantly set up a controversy, or like I said, giving a movie review or iPod playlist)

    *****

    In keeping with the favorite Yankee line of conversation, I have to qualify my list by saying I was a Mets fan first and was converted after marriage and time out from baseball altogether.

    So, in the late 70′s, I’d have to say Reggie and Mattingly and Guidry. But I have no real foundation for that.

    The 80′s were a blur to me (Barney & Raffi).

    The 90′s was when I was starting to get back into more grown-up pursuits (and the Mets to Yankees conversion was complete), so for more contemporary players, Mo tops the list, Bernie, Jeter & Posada and Pettitte, but I also liked Miked Mussina and CMW and Gary Sheffield.

    Now I look forward to watching Granderson, Tex, CC, Cano, DRob.

    But there are very few Yankees I don’t like, and none of them are on the team any longer. I’d be hard-pressed to name a single Yankee right now that I absolutely wish was not on the team (which may or may not have to do with how they’re performing).

    These a

  551. Mike Ri November 28th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Would he still be considered a legendary player if he was drafted by the Astros, Indians, Expos or Orioles in 1992 instead of the NY Yankees?

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    If he won 5 rings . in the same fashion he did with Yanks …..with the O’s Astros , Indians or Expos.. all the clutch hits and dramatic homeruns….

    Yes. .he’d still be a legend .

  552. pat November 28th, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Journal News (like most newspapers) has cut way back on staff. Sam’s position at the Journal News no longer exists. Vince, who covered the Yankees when Chad was off in season, usually covers HS sports.

  553. Erin November 28th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Ugh….it’s Monday :?

  554. Baseball Mogul November 28th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    From MLB.com-

    “For the record, Monday is Day 59 of Boston’s managerial vacancy. It took only 17 days to select the last Pope, when Benedict XVI succeeded John Paul II — even though the Vatican’s process is slightly more complex.”

    Hilarious!

  555. Erin November 28th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    The 80??s were a blur to me (Barney & Raffi).

    ********************

    Raffi!! I used to drive my parents crazy listening to “Baby Baluga” ;)

  556. upstate kate November 28th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    I have no issue w/ the lack of new posts when there is not much going on. My only problem is (depending on which computer I am using) it takes a lot of scrolling to get to the new comments.

  557. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank November 28th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Jeter doesn’t have epic numbers like Ruth , etc.
    But the rings and microscope of NY makes him a current legend … He’s not mythical like Ruth or Mantle though…
    Lack of A lot of actual video etc on the Babe and older yanks add to their legend. Those days are gone …

  558. Erin November 28th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    edit: “Beluga”

  559. Erin November 28th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    New Post: Back to reality, back to work

    :arrow:

  560. Jesus November 28th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    If this site doesn’t have to worry about revenue derived from advertisers on this site then why bother ? Hire a part time person to replace Mr. Jennings when he takes a vacation ? Come on now.

    The Journal News is most likely more concerned with their bottom line rather than keeping a handful of obsessed bloggers happy.


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