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Back to reality, back to work

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 28, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

After a week of sunshine and beaches, I guess it’s time to get back to work. I flew last night, I’ve been flying all morning and I’m going to continue flying well into the early afternoon — this is the price you pay for a week in Hawaii — but I should have internet access, and I’m going to try to get caught up on the past week. In the past seven days, I seriously checked Twitter a handful of times and got on my computer twice.

Here’s what I know.

• The Yankees reportedly have a deal in place with Freddy Garcia. It makes sense, and it’s certainly no surprise. They had to pay him a little more last year, but he’s also worth a little more now that he’s further proven himself in this environment and with this velocity. It’s a one-year deal, so there’s no real long-term risk. Garcia gives the Yankees pitching depth, and like a smaller version of the CC Sabathia deal, his signing keeps the Yankees from having to panic about their rotation. They have five starters in place, now it’s all about looking for improvements.

• During a charity event, Mariano Rivera said next season could be his last. Isn’t that always the case with Rivera? Aren’t we always wondering when exactly he’ll call it quits? It’s a long way between now and the end of next season. Let’s see where he stands then.

• The Yankees apparently have a minor league deal with Jayson Nix. It gives the team some experienced depth all over the field. Nix has started a big league game at five different positions, and he’s shown solid power for that sort of player. He gives the Yankees flexibility, and that’s always a good thing.

• I’m still getting myself caught up on the new collective bargaining agreement, but based on what I’ve read so far, it’s going to be a blow to big-market teams, which isn’t too surprising.

• A few Type A free agent relievers had their status dropped to Type B. Of course, the Yankees aren’t really in the market for late-inning relievers. Of the guys who had their status changed, Darren Oliver jumps out as a possible fit for the Yankees just because he’s left-handed.

• Grady Sizemore re-signed with the Indians, Joe Nathan landed with the Rangers and John Jaso was traded to the Mariners. Can’t imagine the Yankees were ever in the market for Nathan or Jaso, and Sizemore wasn’t an ideal fit in the outfield only because he’s left-handed and far from a sure thing. He’s giving it one more year in Cleveland.

I’ll be back with some more throughout the day. Like I said, I’m really getting myself caught up today. Things are starting to move a little bit, with the Winter Meetings exactly a week away.

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74 Responses to “Back to reality, back to work”

  1. upstate kate November 28th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    Welcome back Chad :)

  2. Erin November 28th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Yay!!! Chad’s back!!!

    A week in Hawaii sounds really rough by the way. ;)

  3. blake November 28th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Welcome back…..Hawaii is certainly a nice place to spend Thanksgiving.

  4. blake November 28th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Jeter doesn’t have iconic numbers like Mantle or Ruth…..but they are among the best ever for a SS. He could still realistically crack the top 5 in hits.

  5. Erin November 28th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Gossip Break (if this has already been posted, just ignore me. I’m severely behind on my gossip)

    http://tiny.cc/neakr

  6. Yankee Trader November 28th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Chad-

    Welcome back. Sounds like you had a terrific time.

    Jose Molina was signed by the Rays to replace Jaso.
    I believe Garcia was signed for 4M plus incentives.

    Morning everyone. Shopping on Black Friday? Now it’s cyber Monday.
    Family doing its part to keep the economy afloat. :)

  7. blake November 28th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    SI_JonHeyman 12 mins Jose molina signs with #rays. Solid pickup. They know their defense down there.

    I was watching the special on the 2009 WS last night……and had forgotten about the big pick off that Molina had of Werth off 1B in Game 2. AJ looked like he was about to get into trouble and that pickoff really gave him new life and was a big turning point in the series.

  8. Jesus November 28th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    From the last thread:

    If this site doesn’t have to worry about revenue derived from advertisers on this site then why bother ? Hire a part time person to replace Mr. Jennings when he takes a vacation ? Come on now.

    The Journal News is most likely more concerned with their bottom line rather than keeping a handful of obsessed bloggers happy.

  9. Yankee Trader November 28th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Bobby Valentine or Gene Lamont?

    MLBTRs:
    With perception being that ownership wants Valentine while Gene Lamont is championed by GM Ben Cherington, it would take quite a bit of fortitude from Cherington to go against the owners, tweets Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated.

    I remember Valentine was interviewed shortly after Francona was dismissed, and said he didn’t think he’d be a good fit to manage the Red Sox.

  10. yanks61 November 28th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    blake November 28th, 2011 at 8:09 am
    Pete abe joined O’conner in that crazy talk. – Blake

    I remember that Blake.

    Gary November 28th, 2011 at 8:09 am
    Yanks 61, I think the big question is what should we expect from ARod in the future? In the past ARod was a horse, he could be dominant in the game and he was out there pretty much everyday. Is Arod going to reassume something approaching that levle of play or is it going to somewhat follow what we saw last year.

    As we used to say in the day, that’s the 64,000 question, Gary.

    blake November 28th, 2011 at 9:07 am
    Jeter doesn’t have iconic numbers like Mantle or Ruth…..but they are among the best ever for a SS. He could still realistically crack the top 5 in hits.

    My thoughts exactly. If I were choosing position players for the Yanks (All time), I’d start with the Babe, then get the Iron Horse, Joe D., Mick and Yogi (that outfield alone, I would think, would have to be the greatest ever.) Then I’d pick Jeter. And to me, that’s hardly an insult. It’s just how I’d reckon their worth against whatever other team could manage all-time.)

  11. blake November 28th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    “My thoughts exactly. If I were choosing position players for the Yanks (All time), I’d start with the Babe, then get the Iron Horse, Joe D., Mick and Yogi (that outfield alone, I would think, would have to be the greatest ever.) Then I’d pick Jeter”

    Pretty decent team you’re starting there ;)

  12. PacoDooley November 28th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    blake November 28th, 2011 at 9:32 am
    “My thoughts exactly. If I were choosing position players for the Yanks (All time), I’d start with the Babe, then get the Iron Horse, Joe D., Mick and Yogi (that outfield alone, I would think, would have to be the greatest ever.) Then I’d pick Jeter”

    Pretty decent team you’re starting there

    ===================================

    How many positions on an All-Time greatest team would be filled by a Yankee?

    I would say that the four mentioned above all probably make it as starters on that team, or at least they would be close. Mariano would be the closer on that team. Mantle might also crack the starting lineup.

  13. yanks61 November 28th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Jesus November 28th, 2011 at 9:26 am
    From the last thread:

    If this site doesn’t have to worry about revenue derived from advertisers on this site then why bother ? Hire a part time person to replace Mr. Jennings when he takes a vacation ? Come on now.

    The Journal News is most likely more concerned with their bottom line rather than keeping a handful of obsessed bloggers happy.

    Lord, I don’t think anyone was obsessing! Anyway, as I mentioned on the last thread (early this morning), that it might have been fun if Chad had used that time to host a guest “columnist” from amongst the blog. I’m sure they’d be plenty of volunteers!

    By the way, Welcome Back, Chad. Glad to hear you had a great holiday.

  14. blake November 28th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    “How many positions on an All-Time greatest team would be filled by a Yankee?”

    Closer, 1B, RF, and SS (either Jeter or Arod depending on if you want the greatest career or greatest at any point at a position). Mantle would have been without the injuries.

    What would be the All time Yankee lineup?

  15. blake November 28th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Of course Alex didn’t play SS as a Yankee though.

  16. blake November 28th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Cano could make a run at greatest 2nd baseman ever before its over……its probably the thinnest position of great players.

  17. PacoDooley November 28th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    blake November 28th, 2011 at 9:44 am
    Cano could make a run at greatest 2nd baseman ever before its over……its probably the thinnest position of great players.

    =======================

    I put Cano at roughly a 75% chance of finishing his career as the greatest 2B the team has ever had, but it is indeed a thin position. If he resigns after his current deal ends, I don’t see how he doesn’t eventually become their best player every to man that position.

  18. PacoDooley November 28th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    blake November 28th, 2011 at 9:41 am
    Of course Alex didn’t play SS as a Yankee though.
    ==========================

    Yeah, but he might be in the discussion at 3B – another relatively thin one in Yankees history.

  19. Jesus November 28th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    yanks61………..Drop your name in the hat as volunteer number one?

  20. yanks61 November 28th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    My choice for the All-time Yankee line up. It’s too early to tell what CC’s overall line will look like with the Yanks, maybe he’ll surpace Whitey?

    P – Whitey Ford
    C- Yogi
    1B – Gehrig
    2B – Cano
    SS – Jeter
    3B – Arod
    RF – Ruth
    CF – Di Maggio
    LF – Mantle

    By the way, Jeter would have to bat 9th in that lineup, no? How would you slot the others?

    To roundout the pitching staff? I add Guidry, but what about the others? Do you add old-timers like Waite Hoyt and Lefty Gomez or perhaps put Mel Stottelmyre in the rotation? BP would have to be Mo, Goose and Sparky + ? The bench? We could go on forever there, couldn’t we?

  21. PacoDooley November 28th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    blake November 28th, 2011 at 9:40 am
    “How many positions on an All-Time greatest team would be filled by a Yankee?”

    Closer, 1B, RF, and SS (either Jeter or Arod depending on if you want the greatest career or greatest at any point at a position). Mantle would have been without the injuries.

    What would be the All time Yankee lineup?
    =========================

    I always forget people when I do these things, but here goes

    SP: Whitey Ford
    RP: Mo (setup man can be Gossage)
    1B: Gehrig (no way to argue that)
    2B: ? let’s pencil in Cano
    SS: Jeter
    3B: Nettles? I’m forgetting someone here
    Catcher: Yogi
    Outfield: Joe D, Mantle, Reggie(?)

  22. blake November 28th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Paco,

    With Cano I was talking about with any team…..best ever period…..obviously he has a long way to go but if he runs off another 7 or 8 seasons like the last 2 then he’ll be on his way.

    Its a big if….but he has that type of ability

  23. yanks61 November 28th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Jesus November 28th, 2011 at 9:59 am
    yanks61………..Drop your name in the hat as volunteer number one?

    —————————————————————————
    Not I, Jesus! But there are some awfully interesting posters here, many of whom, I’m sure, would be only too happy! Chad seems to get plenty of volunteers when he does this early in the year (I think Feb./March?)

  24. Chip November 28th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving:

    1. Like the Freddy Garcia signing. He gets a nice raise but it’s not so much money that it would hamstring the Yankees if he stinks.

    2. Don’t understand what the Mariners or Rays are doing. The Mariners don’t need another light hitting player and signing Jose Molina to replace Jaso is not an upgrade for the Rays. Unless they are planning to bring in someone via free agency (Ramon Hernandez/Chris Snyder) or trade (Geovanny Soto, Chris Ianetta) I don’t get it.

    3. Not sure if anyone saw it or not, but HardballTalk.com proposed a pretty interesting fake trade for Tampa. Sheilds and Farnsworth to the Rays for Grandel and Yonder Alonso – it actually makes a ton of sense for both teams, but will never happen – as the writer points out – that’s a lot of years of cheap players for Cincy to give up for Sheilds and Farnsy.

    4. I like the Nix signing – I doubt he breaks camp with the Yankees but he almost assures that Ramiro Pena will not.

    5. Houston fired Ed Wade and Tal Smith – the most disappointed person is probably Ruben Amaro who has been fleecing Wade for years.

    6. It seems like Bud Selig managed to push through a CBA that no one likes, not the players, not the large market owners, not the small market owners – that probably means it is the fairest CBA in history.

    7. I really hope that Bobby V gets the job in Boston – it could be a disaster of epic proportions. As it stands – right now Ben Cherrington looks like the most impotent man in baseball – everyone knows this was not his decision.

  25. blake November 28th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    If we are going no DH

    Jeter SS
    DiMaggio CF
    Ruth RF
    Gehrig 1B
    Mantle LF
    Arod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Yogi C
    Ford SP

  26. GreenBeret7 November 28th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    How in hell does anybody pick Reggie Jackson in the outfield over Ruth? And Lyle was a better reliever/closer than Gossage. In fact, Righetti was better than Gossage.

  27. GreenBeret7 November 28th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Are you forgetting the current Yankee third baseman?

  28. blake November 28th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Chip,

    The story now is that ownership wants Valentine and Cherington wants Lamont. If Bobby V gets the job then that will throw Cherington’s authority under the bus right off the bat.

  29. Chip November 28th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    PacoDooley November 28th, 2011 at 10:02 am
    blake November 28th, 2011 at 9:40 am
    “How many positions on an All-Time greatest team would be filled by a Yankee?”

    Closer, 1B, RF, and SS (either Jeter or Arod depending on if you want the greatest career or greatest at any point at a position). Mantle would have been without the injuries.

    What would be the All time Yankee lineup?
    =========================

    I always forget people when I do these things, but here goes

    SP: Whitey Ford
    RP: Mo (setup man can be Gossage)
    1B: Gehrig (no way to argue that)
    2B: ? let’s pencil in Cano
    SS: Jeter
    3B: Nettles? I’m forgetting someone here
    Catcher: Yogi
    Outfield: Joe D, Mantle, Reggie(?)

    ————-

    I’m not sure how you make out an “All Time” Yankee Lineup without Babe Ruth.

  30. Chip November 28th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    blake November 28th, 2011 at 10:08 am
    Chip,

    The story now is that ownership wants Valentine and Cherington wants Lamont. If Bobby V gets the job then that will throw Cherington’s authority under the bus right off the bat.

    ————

    I don’t think Cherington wants either Lamont or Valentine – I think he wanted one of the guys they originally interviewed. One of the guys he and Theo had talked about bringing in to replace Tito. But he was nixed on that so I think he’s opting for Lamont over Valentine because he sees Lamont as less likely to go over his head to Luccino and Valentine as being too high maintinence.

  31. GreenBeret7 November 28th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    I wouldn’t pick Jackson to be the clubhouse attendant. Ruth, Winfield, Keller, Maris, Meusel, Henrich all offered more than Jackson as an outfielder.

  32. blake November 28th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    GB7,

    What would be your lineup?

  33. blake November 28th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Chip,

    Cherington wanted Svelm I think…..ownership didn’t.

  34. Gary November 28th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    blake November 28th, 2011 at 10:05 am
    If we are going no DH

    Jeter SS
    DiMaggio CF
    Ruth RF
    Gehrig 1B
    Mantle LF
    Arod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Yogi C
    Ford SP

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I don’t disagree totally, but at 2nd base we had the likes of Lazzeri, Willie, and Bobby Richardson. Cano if he continues his level of play will probably bypass those guys but I don’t think he is there yet. I would probably put Willie there now. One thing about Cano is that he doesn’t hustle all the time, the other guys I don’t think had that issue.

  35. yanks61 November 28th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Chip November 28th, 2011 at 10:05 am – Re 1 thru 7;

    And folks say there’s no baseball news! Nice going, Chip.

    Really, looking at MLBTR, for example, you can see that there’s plenty still going on or proposed and even when it’s not specifically about the Yanks, it’s still a lot of fun to follow and discuss.

  36. Chip November 28th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Blake,

    I think Cherington blew any chance he had at making this job his own when he didn’t deviate from the managerial wish list Theo had created before he left. Now, that could be because he didn’t think there was anything wrong with it, or, like you suggest, his top choice (Sveum) was already on it.

    But after a messy split between the team and Theo he should have had the forethought to take a hard look at the candidates who were available and change it up a little. Had he done that, I believe that his superiors would have been confident with his choices, but by just going with Theo’s list it gave Luccino the opportunity to say to Henry “look, I have faith in the kid, but maybe I should drive the bus a little bit more while he grows up and starts thinking for himself”

  37. GreenBeret7 November 28th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    1B Gehrig
    2B Cano
    SS Jeter
    3b Rodriguez
    RF Ruth
    CF DiMaggio
    LF Mantle
    C Berra
    DH Winfield

    Rotation
    LH Ford
    RH Ruffing
    LF Guidry
    RH Stottlemyre
    RH Reynolds

    Bullpen
    Closer Rivera
    Setup Lyle

  38. Gary November 28th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    3B: Nettles? I’m forgetting someone here

    Maybe Clete Boyer?

  39. GreenBeret7 November 28th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Cano passed Richardson and Randolph a couple of years ago and is in the process of leaving Lazzeri in the dust

  40. blake November 28th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    “One thing about Cano is that he doesn’t hustle all the time, the other guys I don’t think had that issue.”

    That hasn’t been an issue for awhile now. I can give you Willie now for the longevity…..and he was a good player……but his numbers aren’t really comparable to Cano’s so unless he gets hurt then I think he will take over the title soon if he hasn’t already.

  41. Gary November 28th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    blake November 28th, 2011 at 10:23 am
    “One thing about Cano is that he doesn’t hustle all the time, the other guys I don’t think had that issue.”

    That hasn’t been an issue for awhile now. I can give you Willie now for the longevity…..and he was a good player……but his numbers aren’t really comparable to Cano’s so unless he gets hurt then I think he will take over the title soon if he hasn’t already.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Blake, I guess I see it a bit different. He really doesn’t run out ground balls. I think he leaves 5-10 on bases if he did across the season. He almost never has a close play at 1st. It’s not a glaring issue, but I’d just like to see him run some of these close chances out. It been said it’s his smooth style, but in the field there are a few that seem to not get the maximum effort at making the play. :-)

  42. Chip November 28th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Gary November 28th, 2011 at 10:21 am
    3B: Nettles? I’m forgetting someone here

    Maybe Clete Boyer?

    ————–

    I know he’s not the most popular Yankee – but from a pure baseball perspective, Alex Rodriguez has been the best Yankee 3b.

  43. Gary November 28th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Off topic but I hope the Giants at least go out tonight and play with pride against Brees and company. Team lacks fire, in the old days guys were ducking chairs thrown by LT, Carson and Strahan if they played the way they have been.

    Back to the previous thread, alot of Giant fans were pretty ticked when the Journal canned the Giant beat writter and threw the Giants blog overboard.

  44. 108 stitches November 28th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Gary November 28th, 2011 at 10:21 am
    3B: Nettles? I’m forgetting someone here

    Maybe Clete Boyer?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Both outstanding Yankees and 3rd baseman but Alex gets the nod with his offensive numbers.

    I’ll never understand how Reggie Jackson managed to get his #44 retired after only being a Yankee for 5 years. Take away the ’77 World Series and he was average.

  45. blake November 28th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    GB,

    Come on …..put them in a lineup. You got the names right ;)

    Gary,

    I think the hustle issues were real a few years ago…..now though I think he just makes the game look so easy that it appears that way.

  46. PacoDooley November 28th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Oops. I knew I would screw up my team – I left Ruth off – I knew I was forgetting someone – how about the greatest hitter in history – a little embarrassing.

    So how about:

    SP: Ford
    RP: Mo
    1B: Gehrig
    2B: Cano
    SS: Jeter
    3B: Nettles
    C: Yogi
    Outfield: Joe D, Mantle, Ruth

    I don’t have A-Rod at 3rd, but I suppose he probably belongs there. I also don’t have a DH since the team really hasn’t had a strong history of inserting someone there for the long haul (no David Ortiz or Edgar Martinez types that filled the hole).

  47. Erin November 28th, 2011 at 10:54 am

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  48. Chip November 28th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    108 stitches November 28th, 2011 at 10:38 am
    Gary November 28th, 2011 at 10:21 am
    3B: Nettles? I’m forgetting someone here

    Maybe Clete Boyer?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Both outstanding Yankees and 3rd baseman but Alex gets the nod with his offensive numbers.

    I’ll never understand how Reggie Jackson managed to get his #44 retired after only being a Yankee for 5 years. Take away the ’77 World Series and he was average.

    —————-

    Fairly easy to understand.

    George LOVED Reggie
    Reggie was a Hall of Famer
    George got to decide who got their number retired and who didn’t.

  49. Germfree Adolescents November 28th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Off topic but I hope the Giants at least go out tonight and play with pride against Brees and company.

    ————————————————————–

    Giants will lose by at least 2 TDs. Getting rid of Tom and the coaching staff only solves half the problem. Getting rid of Reese would be the final piece. Players with injury concerns drop for a reason. Reese drafts a ton of these guys and people give him all types of credit for getting a huge bargain and then years later they call the Giants the unluckiest team ever as far as injuries go. There was a reason why Tuck lasted until the third round. Reese is just as much to blame as the coaching staff whose cryptonite seems to be the word adustment

  50. Erin November 28th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Joe Girardi, film star. ;)

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....SgbDMTiqkK

  51. Gary November 28th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Germfree Adolescents November 28th, 2011 at 10:56 am
    Off topic but I hope the Giants at least go out tonight and play with pride against Brees and company.

    ————————————————————–

    Giants will lose by at least 2 TDs. Getting rid of Tom and the coaching staff only solves half the problem. Getting rid of Reese would be the final piece. Players with injury concerns drop for a reason. Reese drafts a ton of these guys and people give him all types of credit for getting a huge bargain and then years later they call the Giants the unluckiest team ever as far as injuries go. There was a reason why Tuck lasted until the third round. Reese is just as much to blame as the coaching staff whose cryptonite seems to be the word adustment

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Short answer but I think it’s Gilbride. Giants are one of the best 2 minute offenses and 4th quarter teams in the league. Eli shines in the two minute drill. Kevin calls brain dead plays at a tempo that would put you to sleep. Bees will be out there running no huddle while Giants run the clock down to 1 sec on each play if they don’t get flagged or call timeout. I think the Giants will make a game out of it, look for the last 6 minutes or so to show who wins. I agree with you on Reese, but not on TC.

  52. Jerkface November 28th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    The new CBA isn’t just a blow to big market teams (there are clearly new rules that specifically target the yankees) but also small market teams and medium market teams. I’m sure the owners are happy, but the GMs aren’t.

  53. Erin November 28th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    RobinsonCano Interview with Latin baseball hall of fame at the Estrellas stadium in my home town San Pedro de Macoris http://lockerz.com/s/160302281

  54. CompassRosy November 28th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    2. Don’t understand what the Mariners or Rays are doing. The Mariners don’t need another light hitting player and signing Jose Molina to replace Jaso is not an upgrade for the Rays.
    =======
    M’s need depth at catcher, he cost basically nothing (in terms of players or salary), he’s left-handed (miggy and moore are righties), he’s got major league experience and had a solid rookie season with a drop off last year due to injury that, hopefully is fuly healed.

  55. Chip November 28th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    CompassRosy November 28th, 2011 at 11:28 am
    2. Don’t understand what the Mariners or Rays are doing. The Mariners don’t need another light hitting player and signing Jose Molina to replace Jaso is not an upgrade for the Rays.
    =======
    M’s need depth at catcher, he cost basically nothing (in terms of players or salary), he’s left-handed (miggy and moore are righties), he’s got major league experience and had a solid rookie season with a drop off last year due to injury that, hopefully is fuly healed.

    —————

    There are plenty of equivilant options available on the FA market, and even if that is the case, it still makes no sense for Tampa.

  56. Baseball Mogul November 28th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Molina is defense first, but he did have a decent year at the plate (in limited PT) and he knows the division well.

  57. Chip November 28th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Baseball Mogul November 28th, 2011 at 11:48 am
    Molina is defense first, but he did have a decent year at the plate (in limited PT) and he knows the division well.

    —————

    Molina is 100 years old and not capable of playing on an everyday basis. They are either going to hand the job to Robinson Chirinos

  58. RI Attorney November 28th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    I wonder if all the know-it-all’s here that were so quick to proclaim Bernie Fine innocent a while back have the guts to say they were wrong.

  59. Germfree Adolescents November 28th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Gary,

    The disturbing second half record at some point becomes a trend instead of an anomaly. You can blame the players in a short sample size but Tom’s teams with totally different players have collapsed and have been no shows in big games for a while now. Andy Reid has outcoached him in countless games with inferior teams. Not to mention the fact that Tom let the special teams coach keep his job after last season. I just feel enough is enough and a new face (A more player friendly coach is needed)

  60. Baseball Mogul November 28th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    I don’t know

  61. Chip November 28th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    sorry – was a little quick on the submit there –

    anyway they’re either going to hand the job to Chirinos or make a deal for a C either in FA or via trade.

    After the season Mike Napoli had, they could probably convince Texas to part with Torrealba on the cheap or maybe do something more interesting – like sending BJ Upton, James Sheilds and a prospect to Arizona for Miguel Montero and Chris Young’s contract.

  62. Baseball Mogul November 28th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    I don’t know that the signing means they are looking at giving him. the everyday job.

  63. Chip November 28th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Must make LGY happy:

    ESPN New York’s Andrew Marchand says that there is “almost no way” the Yankees sign C.J. Wilson this offseason

  64. CompassRosy November 28th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    plenty of equivalents available for slightly more than minimum? Olivo is still on the roster and they are hoping that Moore is recovered from surgery… This is a depth/insurance move.

    don’t know about Tampa’s situation….

  65. Chip November 28th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    As for the Mariners – maybe Jaso makes sense, but at best he’s going to be a back up. They’re paying Olivo too much money to bench him and he’s not good enough at the money he’s making to bring back anything in trade.

    Though with Boston needing a catcher and Luccino making the calls – maybe Seattle can find a partner there.

  66. blake November 28th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    There was also almost no way they’d sign Soriano either…….I tend to think they wont sign Wilson either but if nothing materializes in the trade market and his process falls enough it wouldn’t shock me. He has some issues…..but he’s pretty good if he can stay healthy.

  67. Against All Odds November 28th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    # blake November 28th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Paco,

    With Cano I was talking about with any team…..best ever period…..obviously he has a long way to go but if he runs off another 7 or 8 seasons like the last 2 then he’ll be on his way.

    Its a big if….but he has that type of ability

    ———————————————-

    Yea Cano at his best is scary when you add up everything he can do. I guess it’s true when some ppl said he doesn’t want to be left out of the HOF infield.

  68. Jacques Strappe November 28th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    3B: Nettles? I’m forgetting someone here

    Maybe Clete Boyer?

    ******************************

    Hensley Meulens?

  69. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Word leaking outta Detroit that the Tigers got their sights set on Buehrle. Makes more sense than signing Aramis Ramirez, but I still see Buehrle taking the easy road and going NL. He still probably has another contract in him, and NL numbers would help that cause.

  70. Chip November 28th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
    Word leaking outta Detroit that the Tigers got their sights set on Buehrle. Makes more sense than signing Aramis Ramirez, but I still see Buehrle taking the easy road and going NL. He still probably has another contract in him, and NL numbers would help that cause.

    ———–

    Detroit should really be in on either Rollins or Reyes – I understand why they’re not (too much payroll tied up in too few players) but Jhonny Peralta should not be the starting SS on a chapionship contending team.

  71. Irreverent Discourse November 28th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    The Tigers should not be a championship contending team, Chip. Perspective :)

  72. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    I still say one of the best moves of all 2011 was the O’s stealing JJ Hardy from the Twinks. True, that telephone booth he’s hitting in for 81 games helped, but I love that production. I’m not big on Reyes or Rollins for the $$$ and length of deal they will require at their age and with their lifetime D\L Membership. Teams are better off attempting a short-term steal of Hardy, Aybar, or even a Nunez, in contrast to the long-term committment\gamble required to get Reyes or Rollins.

  73. CompassRosy November 28th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    As for the Mariners – maybe Jaso makes sense, but at best he’s going to be a back up.
    ========

    Exactly what I was trying to say. Is it so unusual to make a move for depth/back-up/insurance? especially what the cost is negligible? But, sounds like your initial wonderment was more about the Rays side of it…

    In any case, hoping that Adam Moore will have bounced back after missing nearly the entire season last year due to injury/surgery. Seems he’s on his way back (SSS) having had a decent showing in the AFL.

  74. Ghostwriter November 28th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    GreenBeret7 November 28th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    “…Lyle was a better reliever/closer than Gossage. In fact, Righetti was better than Gossage…”

    ——–

    I don’t get this at all. What have you got against Gossage? By what standard can you say Righetti was better than Gossage? You’re on sounder footing with Lyle, but I still think that you’re underestimating Gossage’s performance. Of the lot, I would say that Mo edges out Gossage as a reliever, but he does so by a fairly narrow margin. Frankly, I don’t see how Righetti even gets into the conversation.

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