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Yankees split an extra $1.7 million

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 28, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Postseason shares were announced today, and the Yankees awarded 53 full shares of $26,238.86 apiece. No team gave more full shares than the Yankees. Here’s the announcement from the league. 

The players’ pool, formed from 60 percent of the gate receipts from the first three games of the Division Series and 60 percent of the gate receipts from the first four games of the League Championship series and the World Series, was divided among 12 clubs: the World Series participants, the League Championship Series and Division Series runners-up, and the four regular season second-place clubs that were not Wild Card participants. The 2011 players’ pool was $57,299,244.23.

The club-by-club breakdown follows:

World Series Champions
St. Louis Cardinals (Share of Players’ Pool: $20,627,727.92; value of each full share: $323,169.98) – The Cardinals awarded 51 full shares, a total of 11.962 partial shares and eight cash awards.

American League Champions
Texas Rangers (Share of Players’ Pool: $13,751,818.61; value of each full share: $251,515.76) – The Rangers awarded 47 full shares, a total of 6.5 partial shares and 19 cash awards.

League Championship Series Runners-Up
Detroit Tigers (Share of Players’ Pool: $6,875,909.31; value of each full share: $126,901.50) – The Tigers awarded 44 full shares, a total of 10.12 partial shares and four cash awards.

Milwaukee Brewers (Share of Players’ Pool: $6,875,909.31; value of each full share: $133,511.33) – The Brewers awarded 44 full shares, a total of 5.74 partial shares and 25 cash awards.

Division Series Runners-Up
Arizona Diamondbacks (Share of Players’ Pool: $1,718,977.33; value of each full share: $26,674.74) – The D-backs awarded 52 full shares, a total of 10.368 partial shares and nine cash awards.

New York Yankees (Share of Players’ Pool: $1,718,977.33; value of each full share: $26,238.86) – The Yankees awarded 53 full shares, a total of 11.94 partial shares and three cash awards.

Philadelphia Phillies (Share of Players’ Pool: $1,718,977.33; value of each full share: $30,400.62) – The Phillies awarded 46 full shares, a total of 9.72 partial shares and three cash awards.

Tampa Bay Rays (Share of Players’ Pool: $1,718,977.33; value of each full share: $30,758.08) – The Rays awarded 45 full shares, a total of 8.79 partial shares 24 cash awards.

Second-Place Finishers (Non-Wild Card Clubs)
Atlanta Braves (Share of Players’ Pool: $572,992.44; value of each full share: $11,088.51) – The Braves awarded 41 full shares, a total of 10.13 partial shares and six cash awards.

Cleveland Indians (Share of Players’ Pool: $572,992.44; value of each full share: $10,366.06) – The Indians awarded 44 full shares, a total of 10 partial shares and 13 cash awards.

Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (Share of Players’ Pool: $572,992.44; value of each full share: $10,862.42) – The Angels awarded 40 full shares and a total of 12.75 partial shares.

San Francisco Giants (Share of Players’ Pool: $572,992.44; value of each full share: $10,689.58) – The Giants awarded 42 full shares, a total of 10.93 partial shares and one cash award.

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245 Responses to “Yankees split an extra $1.7 million”

  1. Ghostwriter November 28th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Damn.. $323 thousand is some pretty serious coin. I know that $300 grand is rounding error to guys like ARod and Jeter, but it must be a pretty nice payday for the first-and-second-year guys

  2. m November 28th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    How much to the pre-season champions Red Sox?

    They trade Gardner yet?

  3. DONNYBROOK November 28th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    I understand San Diego just nixed a Maybin for Gardner deal. Damn

  4. LGY November 28th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    They trade Gardner yet?

    ——

    Joeman is still working on it.

  5. blake November 28th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Pirates saying they will listen on Mcutchen. Trade Gardner for him ;)

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

  6. m November 28th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Is Maybin the one who hit his first HR off Roger Clemens? If so, I think he peaked that day. :P

  7. RI Attorney November 28th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Don’t tease me with that trade Gardner stuff. One can only wish.

  8. blake November 28th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
    Sources: #Nationals pursuing Fielder. Talks hit roadblock today. Cespedes possible alternative. Story coming on FOXSports.com. #MLB
    1 hour ago

  9. Giuseppe Franco November 28th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Despite his detractors, Gardner isn’t going anywhere.

  10. jacksquat November 28th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    The Yankees aren’t trading big pieces for another centerfielder.

  11. blake November 28th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    No I wouldn’t think they would trade Gardner right now unless it was part of a really big trade for a superstar. They still need to see what he is and he’s too valuable to part with cheaply.

  12. blake November 28th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    More CBA madness: Draft pool even smaller than expected
    By Mike Axisa

    Via Jim Callis, the pool for the first ten rounds of the draft is closer to $180M than the $200M that was reported last week. It doesn’t sound like a big difference, but it basically means each team will have ~$667k less to spend next draft. The Yankees have signed guys like Graham Stoneburner, Mark Melancon, and Dante Bichette Jr. for close to that amount in recent years.

    Furthermore, Callis also says that if teams do not sign a pick, they will not be able to allocate that pick’s money elsewhere. There had been some speculation that clubs with extra picks would simply not sign one of their first rounders, then redistribute the money to get better players with their remaining extra picks. Teams won’t be able to do that, apparently. This new setup is about as close to hard slotting as you can get without actually implementing hard slotting. · (29) ·

    http://www.riveraveblues.com

    This sucks

  13. RI Attorney November 28th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    See what he is? I think it’s pretty clear. He’s a .260′s hitter who has averaged about 4 hr’s and 30 rbi’s. And he’s going to be 29 this season. Great defensive player with speed but hardly the stuff legends are made of.

  14. Giuseppe Franco November 28th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    So in order for the Yankees to win they have to replace their LF with a legend?

  15. blake November 28th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
    Valentine returns from Japan tomorrow and belief in industry is #Redsox will tell Valentine/Lamont who is manager tomorrow, as well
    4 minutes ago

  16. djsunyc November 28th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    blake November 28th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
    Pirates saying they will listen on Mcutchen. Trade Gardner for him

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

    ————-

    i spoke about mccutchen before. this is the perfect target for us – another granderson type deal. trade garder + of the young arms and a catcher for him (not montero).

    he is young, developing and great shot in the arm. we are now talking about a youth core of granderson, mccutchen, cano + montero in the lineup. that’s pretty damn good.

  17. RI Attorney November 28th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    No, but he won’t necessarily help us get to where we want to go. Just not a big fan. I value D, but he’s really a mediocre offensive ballplayer IMHO. Braun, Gordon, CarGo aren’t legends but would be much better solutions. But hard to find and obtain. So yeah, we’re probably stuck with BG.

  18. blake November 28th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    I would love to trade for Mccutchen……it would take a load though.

  19. m November 28th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    The Sox haven’t spoken to Valentine since last week Sunday or so. If I were him, I would say, “Iie, kekkou desu.” Thanks, but no thanks!

  20. blake November 28th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    clubhouse confidential is comparing Pujols to Gehrig….to determine to try to determine if Gehrig is still the greatest 1B of all time. They determined that he was but that Pujols could pass him at some point……Gehrig was a flat out beast.

  21. blake November 28th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Yea I’m a little surprised that Bobby has hung around this long waiting for them to make a decision…..he doesn’t seem like the type to wait around like that.

  22. Joe from Long Island November 28th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    For the right deal, McCutcheon might be dealt. I’d think ML caliber pitching would be of great interest to the Pirates, as that’s a pretty quick way to become competitive.

    And, they Yanks happen to have some pretty good young (aka cheap) arms. They lost Doumit, so they might be interested in a catcher as well. Depending on the arms being discussed, will also determine Cervelli or Romine. The Bucs seem to have done fairly well with Jeff Karstens, so………

  23. Giuseppe Franco November 28th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    This team was two games away from the WS in 2011 with Gardner and won the toughest division in MLB in 2012 with Gardner.

    Compare his overall value to other LF in the game and he’s anything but mediocre.

  24. Joe from Long Island November 28th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    blake -and, the past couple of years he played, Gehrig played with a degenerative neuromuscular disease. I think calling him a beast doesn’t come close to describing his skills and desire. He truly was one of the greats.

  25. Giuseppe Franco November 28th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Oops. I leaped ahead a year for some reason.

    That’s obviously supposed to be 2010 and 2011, respectively.

  26. PittsburghYankeeFan November 28th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Pirates signed Rod Barajas as catcher to replace Doumit, and they have SJ44′s nephew (Sanchez) in AAA this year. They have a bunch of other guys as well (McKenry, Snyder). Not sure they would want a catcher.

    An arm or two plus Gardner is another thing entirely. Pirates have a closer and OK middle relief. Their starters are thin, but they have some lightning rods in A and AA who should be ready by 2013-2014.

    McCutcheon in one of the faces of the franchise, and I’m not sure they want to part with him. If they do, they are idiots, and all of Pittsburgh will face palm yet again.

    It’s funny with the Pirates. The minute my kid gets one of their jerseys, they trade the guy. First Freddy Sanchez. Now Ryan Doumit. He has an Andrew McCutcheon jersey…

  27. blake November 28th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Joe,

    he still had a .932 in his last year……incredible player. 11 straight seasons with an OPS over 1.0. Only guys by my count that have done it more are Bonds and Ted Williams (who did it 17 straight seasons!)

    wonder what it would take for McCutchen. My guess…..Montero would have to be in the deal and probably Gardner and one of the B’s as well.

  28. RI Attorney November 28th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Everyone’s entitled to opine Mr. Franco. But I think your contention that there is much of a connection between the Yankees success lately and BG is a flawed one. There is no path to conclude that. Anyway, everyone has their faves. Glad he’s got a fan.

  29. Giuseppe Franco November 28th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    He’s got two fans that have nothing to do with anyone on this blog – their names are Cashman and Girardi.

  30. PittsburghYankeeFan November 28th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    I don’t think the Pirates are trading McCutcheon. They will sign him to a Justin Upton like deal, just like MLB Trade Rumors says.

    In terms of the others on the market, here’s my predictions: Wilson (Marlins or Angels), Reyes (Marlins), Buerle (Marlins or Angels–whichever does not get Wilson), Pujols (Cardinals, as he fires his agent), Fielder (Nationals or Rangers). Take em for what they are worth.

    I think Theo and Cash want to deal. Perhaps a young starter from AA or AAA plus something else (Nunez?) for Garza. Theo is going to want to screw Lucchino out of the gate, and here is a prime opportunity. Garza is Hughes insurance, I guess.

    If Bobby V goes to manage the Sox, it will be a disaster of major proportions. Good for them–couldn’t happen to a more deserving FO.

  31. blake November 28th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    “I think Theo and Cash want to deal. Perhaps a young starter from AA or AAA plus something else (Nunez?) for Garza. Theo is going to want to screw Lucchino out of the gate, and here is a prime opportunity. Garza is Hughes insurance, I guess.”

    that would be awesome….but trading your best asset for a discount just to screw your old bosses probably wouldn’t help endear him to Cubs fans. I think if they are serious about trading Garza then there will be competition for him and the Yanks would have to part with a pretty significant package.

  32. Joe from Long Island November 28th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    PittsburghYankeeFan – well, you should know the home town team. It would take a pair to deal McCutcheon. It would really depend on the arms Cash would offer. Just not Banuelos. Nor Montero.

    I’d take Garza, he’s shown he can pitch in the AL East. A couple of young arms for him – Warren, Phelps. Betances – depends on what the Yanks’ talent evaluators truly believe about him.

  33. rb from LI November 28th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    The Yankees won 3 championships with Ricky Ledee, Chad Curtis & Shane Spencer all spending time in the outfield (not to mention 1 more with Gardner/Melky). As long as the rest of the team performs up to reasonable expectations, they can win with Gardner. I like Gardner, I’d trade him if it makes sense, but I don’t think he’s going to keep this team from winning.

  34. Joe from Long Island November 28th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    The Cubs aren’t going to compete for a few years, at best. Theo needs to turn his present assets into future ones, preferably for a few of them at a pop.

    Yankee pitching prospects have done well enough at the ML level – IPK, Phil, Nova, Noesi (in his limited action to date), Robertson, Joba, Karstens, Coke. If Cash is selling a young pitcher, the data is there for someone to project. That’s more than can be said for a lot of other organizations.

  35. Joe from Long Island November 28th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    rb from LI – spot on. And I think Cash sees that, also.

  36. m November 28th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    ESPN’s Buster Olney reported on Twitter today that the Cubs are open to trading Matt Garza.

    Here’s a crazy idea that just might work: send a few prospects to the Cubs for Garza as compensation for Theo Epstein.

    Garza alone is way too much compensation for Epstein, the Sox asked for that weeks ago and were turned down. But adding a few good prospects would serve to make it an equal deal.

    The Sox get an 28-year-old AL East-tested starter, the Cubs get the prospects they so badly need.

    Getting a pitcher like Garza for two years is worth giving up Anthony Ranaudo and a decent position player like Kolbrin Vitek. Lars Anderson and Josh Reddick doesn’t get it done. The Cubs need a pitcher.

    The other benefit for the Sox is that Garza is under team control for 2012 and ’13. Garza is due roughly $9 million for 2012 based on arbitration-eligible starters of similar experience in previous years. That’s a much better deal for the Sox than overpaying for Mark Buehrle or Edwin Jackson.

    Obviously Epstein can get more prospects from another club. But the Cubs also promised the Red Sox “significant” compensation when they hired Epstein. He has to pay that bill at some point. Plus there is more certainty for Epstein trading for prospects he knows everything about.
    ________________________________________________

    The above is a post from Pete. They’re still pushing that Garza as compensation spiel. Would Cubs fans be more upset that Theo stuck it to his former boss, or that their new GM was part of a package for Garza? I think it would be the latter. That’s collusion-like.

  37. m November 28th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    Oops. Make that club “President”. :roll:

  38. RI Attorney November 28th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    No individual player keeps their team from winning; it’s about putting the best team you can on the field to increase your chances of winning as much as possible.

  39. rb from LI November 28th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Thanks Joe. I have to admit to a soft spot for the less heralded players over the years…and I have never felt the need for an All-Star at every position. Quite frankly I think it can be detrimental. You need role players on every team. Can Gardner be better in certain aspects of his game? Yes. (I’d like to seem him a bit more aggressive on the basepaths.) Can the team win with the 2010/2011 version of Gardner? Yes.

  40. blake November 28th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Pete is delusional

  41. Trigeminal Neuralgia Yank November 28th, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    I’m in camp Gardy too. Let’s keep someone with upside and energy and is fun to watch for cryin out loud…

  42. PittsburghYankeeFan November 28th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    m

    Dream on, Pete and Sox Nation. Right…a bunch of low level prospects for Matt Garza and compensation for your team president.

    Now that Theo’s gone, the good deals are just not going to fall your way anymore, Sox Nation. Anthony Ranuado and Kobrin Vitek? What are they smoking up in the Hub, anyway?

    What a hoot.

  43. blake November 28th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    The 3 trade options mentioned most frequently are all interesting and all should have different price tags I would think.

    Gonzalez- probably would cost the most as he’s the youngest and has the most years of control (4). He’s had 2 straight solid seasons and his stuff is trending upwards according to velocity averages etc, walks a lot of guys….but also K’s a lot and limits hits pretty well…and although the walk rate and ballpark issues are real….still room to grow at 25.

    Garza- would cost the 2nd most being 28 and having 2 years of control left. Only one with AL East experience and is just a good solid pitcher who may have shifted his style this past year for the better…..how would dealing with Theo work?

    Danks- should be the cheapest as he will be a rental without an extension and he’s coming off his worst year since his rookie season in 2007. Although his ERA was 4.33, his BABIP was much higher than normal at .313 and his FIP of 3.82 was more in line with where he normally is….suggesting maybe a run of bad luck as a possible cause….also still yet to hit prime age.

  44. PittsburghYankeeFan November 28th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    For some fun on a slow hot stove week, go check out Extra Bases.

    Seems like Pete Abe is back to his old tactic of abusing his blog commenters (check out the comments on the entry about Gene Lamont). They are abusing him right back, and to be honest, are a lot more abusive than we ever were.

  45. pat November 28th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    After years of not being able to trade with Cash, Theo could cross that off his bucket list and take a discount package for Garza from the Yankees to stick it to the Sox. 2 birds, one stone. :wink:

  46. RhapsodyInBlue November 28th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    RI ATTORENEY.

    A dig at Tricia? How clever, stop it you’re killing me.

    Same old mysogynistic little man who can’t handle smart women.

    And Yankee fans.

  47. RMS November 28th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    After years of not being able to trade with Cash, Theo could cross that off his bucket list and take a discount package for Garza from the Yankees to stick it to the Sox. 2 birds, one stone

    ————————————————————————————
    A discount package for Garza? Not gonna happen. Theo needs to concentrate on his Cubbies, later for sticking it to the RS.

  48. austinmac November 28th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Blake,

    I would be happy with an acquisition of any of the three. Despite my love of a left-hander, I believe Garza would be the best of the three. Gonzalez is the biggest risk at perhaps the highest cost. Gio does, however, probably has the highest upside.

  49. m November 28th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    pat,

    I think that Theo took his Red Sox pj’s with him.

    His hometown is still Boston, I doubt he’d be chummy with the Yankees.

  50. spidanyc November 28th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Via Joel Sherman, the Yankees are not currently having any “hi-level” trade discussions with any teams about a starting pitcher(s). They do have interest in Matt Garza though, who a) I really like, and b) is totally available. Things figure to pick up next week at the winter meetings, but the Yankees are definitely moving at their own pace this offseason. “We’re not desperate to do anything,” said Brian Cashman to Mark Feinsand, which is consistent with this idea of playing it cool and letting the market come to them. We’ll see, but I doubt the Yankees will have a quiet winter.

    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    Why would the Cubs wanna trade Garza?

  51. Joe from Long Island November 28th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Well, I’m off to bed, early day tomorrow.

    Winter Meetings in a week or so. Sweet dreams, all.

  52. blake November 28th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    mac,

    yea….I think Danks makes the most sense for what you’d presume to have to give…..personally if the price wasn’t significantly different between Garza and Gio then I’d pay a little extra for Gonzalez.

    I like the 2 extra years of control, I like that he’s left handed, and I like the upside. Gio’s average ERA+ over the last 2 seasons is about 129…..Garza’s is 109.

    but for what I think they’ll cost I’d rather rent Danks for a year I think if they can get him without giving any of the top guys….we’ll have to wait and see.

  53. blake November 28th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    “Why would the Cubs wanna trade Garza?”

    because they stink and he’d potentially bring a return that they could start rebuilding with.

  54. Tar November 28th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Cashman on the lack of hot stove action: “We have a lot of strong assets sitting right in front of us. We’re not desperate to do anything.”

    I guess I have finally attained true prospect hugging status. There is just nobody out there ( being realistic) that makes me want to give up anybody ( especially pitching ) of value for. The Yankees seem so deep, on so many levels that I just don’t see the need. Patience at this point in time is the wise course. Which is why I really like that statement from Cash. And for once I don’t think he’s blowing smoke.

  55. Tar November 28th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    “Why would the Cubs wanna trade Garza?”

    Because that can’t stand to see him spit 20 times a batter anymore. Just a wild guess.

    The Giants are disappointing to watch.

  56. m November 28th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Of Darvish, Garza, Wilson, Danks, and Gio. I *think* I like Garza. Yes, I know that Gio is the wunderkind of the group, but Garza is one tough hombre. I think Garza will cost less than Gio, though I think Gio will be traded and Garza will stay.

  57. LGY November 28th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    The Yankees have a lot of good young huggable prospects but at the same time, very few opportunities available for those players to break into the big club.

    Jesus Montero, their best hitting prospect in a long time had to spend two full seasons at AAA before getting his shot.

    Adam Warren or David Phelps will never get a shot at the rotation. Hector Noesi or even Dellin Betances may not even get that opportunity because of a numbers game.

    The Yankees are one, maybe two pieces away from separating themselves from the pack. They are in a unique position where they can afford to overpay for a certain target. With a weak free agent market Cash should go big on the trade market this winter and use some of his assets to land a big fish.

  58. ron November 28th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    Cashman is not going to trade montero,banuelos or betances,unless it is for an ace pitcher or a stud position player,so if any team want’s montero,ban,betances for a garza,danks,gio,it ain’t happening.
    You are more likely to see hughes get traded for one of them.

    I

  59. m November 28th, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Pete: “Just a word of advice to the Rays, if Friedman does take the job, don’t let him go to Houston without getting the compensation settled first.”

    He’s going to ride the non-compensation thing forever.

  60. m November 28th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    Just a word to the Red Sox, “If you didn’t have such ridiculous demands, you might have gotten something before Theo left!”

  61. Ghostwriter November 28th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    I don’t think that Cashman should move Montero for anything that didn’t bring us back a big bat. The Yanks have a surplus of pitching from which to deal; they really can’t afford to give away a strong hitting prospect that they won’t be able to replace in the near future.

    I also think that moving Hughes might make sense under the right conditions. I think that 2012 will be make or break for Hughes. An offseason deal that ships Hughes to another club could be a way for Cashman to get maximum value for Hughes. Waiting until next year could cause his value to plummet (if it hasn’t already).

  62. blake November 28th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    trading Hughes now would be selling low….his trade value likely isn’t as significant as his value would be to the team if he bounced back…..trade AJ instead.

  63. ron November 28th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    Hughes,joba,robertson,gardner,cano,jeter,mo,montero,nova all forced themselves onto the roster.
    There will always be an opportunity for a certain number of prospects to win a spot.

    The yankees ,even with their money will never be 100 % free agents.
    Even moreso now.

  64. blake November 28th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    and with only 2 years of control left….teams don’t really have time to make him a project or anything like that…..they’d have to believe he’s going to be good again now and while I think he’ll be better….I don’t think it’s likely that a lot of clubs would give a significant return for that risk.

  65. LGY November 28th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Betances is my favorite prospect on a personal level because I followed him since draft day and his ties to NY, but I don’t think he should be lumped with Montero and Banuelos.

    Jesus and Manny are unique in their combination of age, current talent level, and ceiling.

  66. ron November 28th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    I agree about hughes,but he is running out of time and almost got traded,if you believe past rumors.

    If he has 1 more bad year,he is just about done.
    Nova already blew right by him.

    He does not have unlimited time to prove himself.

  67. blake November 28th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    “Jesus and Manny are unique in their combination of age, current talent level, and ceiling.”

    Agree…so if Cash can make a deal for a frontline type guy….1A or 2 type starter and keep both those guys then I think he should strongly consider it.

  68. blake November 28th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Night guys

  69. hardwired7 November 28th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    “He’s going to ride the non-compensation thing forever.”

    Nothing can withstand the weight of Pete Abe for very long. It’s already starting to buckle.

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock November 28th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    LMAO.

    The same tripe goes round and round every day, here.

    Everyone’s making ultimate statements on what minor league arms can be spared, yet none has seen any of these kids throw a single start.

    Yeah, let’s just lump Dellin Betances with Warren and Phelps.

  71. LGY November 28th, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    yet none has seen any of these kids throw a single start.

    ——-

    Trenton and Scranton are in trouble if you are the only one attending the games ;)

  72. Nick in SF November 28th, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    I’m worried that there’s a lazy, uninformed LoHud consensus building that says Betances is dispensable and, as a result, we may lose him.

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock November 28th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Judging from the head in ass comments, I’m just about the only “Lohudder”.

  74. GreenBeret7 November 28th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    NYYs are in a unique position with their young players. They have some great talent and some very good talent in the system. They also have the cashflow to get what their immediate neds are, as with Sabathia, Burnett and Teixeira. They have the time to let the kids develop properly instead of rushing them like they had to with Hughes, Chamberlain and Kennedy. There is also a lot of quality 2nd and even 3rd tier talent to use for extra parts needed. There was no reason not to let Montero continuing to work on defensive skills at Scranton for 2 years.

  75. Stoneburner November 28th, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    Per mlbtraderumors – Yanks interested in Kyle Drabek:

    The Yankees are interested in Kyle Drabek, according to Elliott. Drabek started the season in the Blue Jays’ rotation before being demoted to the minor leagues. He had a standout season in 2010, but struggled with command in the Majors (6.3 BB/9) and in the minors (4.9 BB/9) in 2011.

    See also:

    http://www.torontosun.com/2011.....heath-bell

    The New York Yankees are interested in right-hander Kyle Drabek, who made 14 starts in the Jays rotation and the next 15 at triple-A Las Vegas. The Yanks have CC Sabathia, Ivan Nova, Phil Hughes and A.J. Burnett in the rotation. They are reported to have re-signed right-hander Freddy Garcia. Yankees people are asking Jays scouts questions and as well as Phillies people, who had Drabek in the minors: Why the control problems after never having any? Why did the Jays take his cutter away? Can he be fixed?

  76. DaSaint007 November 29th, 2011 at 12:12 am

    Don’t get the Drabek interest, but then again, it’s probably for depth a la Colon/Garcia of 2011.

  77. Against All Odds November 29th, 2011 at 12:21 am

    # DaSaint007 November 29th, 2011 at 12:12 am

    Don’t get the Drabek interest, but then again, it’s probably for depth a la Colon/Garcia of 2011.

    ——————————-

    Or spinning him off in a package for a starter. But it’s probably just a rumor with no legs to it.

  78. m November 29th, 2011 at 12:48 am

    “They rolled out the red carpet. They seem to have a plan and made it very clear they’d like [C.J. Wilson] to be a part of it,” said Bob Garber, Wilson’s agent, to Joe Capozzi of The Palm Beach Post. The Marlins hosted the lefty at their new ballpark today. Garber wouldn’t say if the team made an offer, but did say his client will “probably” make a decision during the winter meetings next week.

    via MLBTR.

    Haven’t heard too many rumors about CJ Wilson. He must have some pretty good offers if he’s on the verge of making a decision.

  79. GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2011 at 1:39 am

    The posting period for Japanese shortstop Hiroyuki Nakajima has begun.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ajima.html

  80. jacksquat November 29th, 2011 at 1:47 am

    Drabek may be interest as a reclamation project, certainly not a possible 2012 rotation possibility, unless he had a miraculous regain of his control. Was a top 25 prospect at one point I think.

  81. Villa Nova-Ya November 29th, 2011 at 6:08 am

    I actually saw Drabek pitch at a Lakewood Blue Claws game a few seasons ago. We just randomly went to a game. It was one of those situations where you’re watching a guy a pitch, and then you look in the program to see who he is, because he’s that impressive. (We live close to Lakewood, so we occasionally go to a game just for a change of pace – I didn’t know any of the players ahead of time, like when we go to a Trenton game). He was really really good.

    Can’t imagine why the Yankees are looking into him.

  82. lounge lizard November 29th, 2011 at 6:34 am

    This is Cashman’s M.O., making a reclamation project of a high draft pick pitcher.

    He was convinced he was going to make Darrell Rasner a success where others had failed.

    He almost traded Cervelli for Brad Lincoln at the deadline last year. Lincoln is a former first round (fourth overall) pick who’s been a total bust.

    Maybe he’ll trade Cervelli for Drabek.

  83. blake November 29th, 2011 at 7:08 am

    The Drabek thing is really weird…..Im sure the Yanks would have interest but why would the Jays give up on him so quickly?

  84. Villa Nova-Ya November 29th, 2011 at 7:15 am

    Do the Jays have a lot of other pitching prospects who are about ready? Maybe the Jays aren’t giving up, but the Yankees are just really delving into what’s out there but not so obvious? Maybe they have something the Jays could use and would be willing to give up Drabek?

    But still, I don’t see the need, except for depth, for the Yankees.

    And the other thing, the Jays never (almost never?) trade with the Yankees.

  85. Yankee Trader November 29th, 2011 at 7:23 am

    Good morning.

    Blake-You’ll find this interesting:

    They[Yankees] are monitoring if the White Sox put lefty John Danks on the trading block. The White Sox have an interest in Dellin Betances but not as the centerpiece to the deal.

    From NY Post and George King-

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....Cm0tYEpiMO

    Betances too much for a one year rental?

  86. Villa Nova-Ya November 29th, 2011 at 7:27 am

    I didn’t know that Drabek had TJ surgery in 2009. (I saw him way back in 2007! Time sure does fly…)

    Could it be that the Toronto Blue Jays rushed him to the majors because he was the centerpiece of the Roy Halladay trade?

  87. Gary November 29th, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Morning, too bad the difference in the money ($26K Yanks vrs $326K Cards) wasn’t a more significant blow to most of the big payroll guys who didn’t get it done during the playoffs. It was a much bigger deal to the players on the low end of the payroll who didn’t get that big payoff.

  88. blake November 29th, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Trader,

    Morning, I think Kenny has to be realistic if he wants to move Danks……that statement indicates that at that time he wasn’t being.

    Villa,

    Yea I think they rushed Drabek a little……he’s got terrific stuff just has to throw more quality strikes.

  89. Gary November 29th, 2011 at 7:35 am

    This will get some people going if it hasn’t already been posted

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......s-divorce/

  90. blake November 29th, 2011 at 7:36 am

    Ken_Rosenthal 5 hours Sources: #Cubs talking to Pujols and Fielder. Story with @jonmorosi explains reasons both obvious and not. msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Albe… #MLB

  91. Yankee Trader November 29th, 2011 at 7:46 am

    Gary-

    I brought the divorce issue up 2 days ago. His wife is probably delaying final settlement until she knows whether he is posted and he signs a nice lucrative contract.

    UPDATE 11/25 @ 12:02am – Nippon TV News 24
    When asked if there was a chance she might get back together with Yu Darvish, Saeko sidestepped the question and said, “Well, I am not really sure. Right now, when I look at my children I think about how I want to grow up with them.”

    And when asked if she would know more before the end of the year, Saeko replied, “I do not know the answer to that either. I will be sure to let everyone know when new information becomes available.”

  92. Gary November 29th, 2011 at 7:55 am

    Yankee Trader November 29th, 2011 at 7:46 am
    Gary-

    I brought the divorce issue up 2 days ago. His wife is probably delaying final settlement until she knows whether he is posted and he signs a nice lucrative contract.

    UPDATE 11/25 @ 12:02am – Nippon TV News 24
    When asked if there was a chance she might get back together with Yu Darvish, Saeko sidestepped the question and said, “Well, I am not really sure. Right now, when I look at my children I think about how I want to grow up with them.”

    And when asked if she would know more before the end of the year, Saeko replied, “I do not know the answer to that either. I will be sure to let everyone know when new information becomes available.”

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Sorry missed that one. I spent alot of time there and culturally it a much different situation. When she says she is thinking about the family it is sincere, Japanese first priority is always the family, they take care of their parents for example as opposed to throwing them in a nursing home like is done here everyday. I think the article is slanted a bit to what would happen in America as what would happen in Japan. It’s much less about money and Divorce Lawyers getting fat settlements there. Saving face and paying attention to family matters to the Japanese are much more important. Her comments are correct, given those considerations it will be an important decision that will take time to sort out. Persoanlly I don’t think it will hold up the process, money is just not as important over there.

  93. Gary November 29th, 2011 at 7:59 am

    I would make some profound positive comment about the Giants performance in the game last night if I could think of one :-(

  94. MTU November 29th, 2011 at 8:00 am

    Morning.

    I’m with Blake. I find it hard to believe the Jays would give up on Drabek that quickly.

    I would not give up Betances + for a Danks rental.

    Hope you all had a great Thanksgiving.

    Hot stove really gets going soon.

  95. Yankee Trader November 29th, 2011 at 8:01 am

    Gary-

    I remember you talking about your experiences in Japan and how culturally it’s difficult for Japanese players to come to the US and play in the major leagues.

    Realistically if Darvish requests to be posted and the Ham Fighters agree, until the silent auctin is held, the winner notified, the negotiation process is started with a window of 30 days to have the player signed, it could well take 6 weeks.

  96. MTU November 29th, 2011 at 8:04 am

    Forget Darvish, Gio and Garza.

    Stick with Danks with a negotiating window. Take on Thornton if you have to.

    ;)

  97. Yankee Trader November 29th, 2011 at 8:05 am

    MTU-

    If the Yankees were given a window to sign Danks to an extension, and Kenny Williams wanted either Betances or Noesi as the primary targets, would you deal one of them?

  98. MTU November 29th, 2011 at 8:07 am

    YT-

    Depends on the rest of the package ?

    I am not that inclined to move Dellin. I like Noesi a lot but I could see parting with him.

  99. Gary November 29th, 2011 at 8:24 am

    MTU November 29th, 2011 at 8:04 am
    Forget Darvish, Gio and Garza.

    Stick with Danks with a negotiating window. Take on Thornton if you have to.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Danks is basically a .500 pitcher with an ERA of around 4. Personally I think we need someone with a higher potential than that.

  100. Yankee Trader November 29th, 2011 at 8:25 am

    MTU-

    If the WS want Nunez to challenge Beckham for a starting position and provide speed for the departure of Juan Pierre, would you include him as the centerpiece of a deal?

    If that’s so would a package of Nunez, Phelps and Romine be acceptable? This provides Williams with players that could help them next year.

    Is there then a FA utility player you would sign?
    SS Hiroyuki Nakajima is now posted.The 29-year-old hit .297/.354/.433 with 16 home runs and 27 doubles in 633 plate appearances for the Seibu Lions in 2011. Might the Yankees be interested?

  101. Yankee Trader November 29th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Nakajima stats:

    http://www.japaneseballplayers.....=hnakajima

  102. blake November 29th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    “Danks is basically a .500 pitcher with an ERA of around 4. Personally I think we need someone with a higher potential than that.”

    He’s not a #1……but that’s underselling him quite a bit I think. His Era had been under 4 for 3 straight years until last year and his BABIP (.313) and FIP 3.82 indicate he may have been a victim if some bad luck. His record is because he’s been on a bad team……if he’s healthy he’s a good Pitcher who is only 26 and hasn’t reached his prime yet.

    That said…..he is a rental and he is coming off a down year so KW is going to have to factor that into the price or I wouldn’t trade for him. If they like Romine and they can build a deal around him then I think that’s fair…..the “we like Betances …..but not as a centerpiece ” comment suggests that he’s overvaluing the value …..at least right now.

  103. Yankee Trader November 29th, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Blake, Gary-

    Would the package I posted at 8:25 do it for you, for Danks?

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  105. MTU November 29th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    YT-

    I’ll respond to the 2nd question first.

    I always liked Mark DeRosa. He’s a FA. Not sure of his current status or the asking price.

    Also not sure if he can play SS.

    Prado is a guy I really like too but he doesn’t play SS.

    Nunez fills an important role for the Yankees in that he is Jeter insurance.

    Not sure they would move him. He hasn’t reached his cieling yet.

    I have no problem working with Romine and Phelps. It’s the Nunez part that is problematic.

    Would not want to see Pena at SS for an extended period.

    Gary-

    Look at the prior several years on Danks.

  106. MTU November 29th, 2011 at 8:40 am

    And forget Wilson.

    He’ll be too expensive and want too many years.

    I still like Beurhle on a 2yr. deal if he’d come.

  107. disco stu November 29th, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Blake – you are right as far as KW overvaluing right now. Until the deals start and dominos begin to fall, there is just a lot of posturing going on right now.

    Based on his comments about feeling confident with what he already has, I doubt that Cashman will be part of the first big deal that will essentially frame what the market will be this off season. My guess is he will wait and see what the FA pitchers are beginning to sign for and what pieces are being traded back and forth for before he jumps and looks to make a deal … re-signing CC and Freddy has afforded him that luxury.

  108. Yankee Trader November 29th, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Erin-

    Didn’t look thru all 26 pictures, but who was A-Rod with? escort? trainer? Hollywood star? :)

  109. blake November 29th, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Trader,

    Id probably do that deal……and then take a vacation to avoid all those with big tight prospect hugs on Nunez ;)

  110. MTU November 29th, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Move AJ and replace his innings with Beurhle.

    How about CC, Nova, Danks, Beurlhe, Garcia/Hughes ?

    3 lefties.

    Nice fantasy, huh ?

  111. blake November 29th, 2011 at 8:46 am

    MTU,

    Id love Buerle on a 2 year deal…..but all signs are pointing to him getting a 4 year deal at around 15 million per……no way Id go there . Williams greatly undervalued his market…..tons of teams have expressed interest and that’s driven the price up. The Nats probably sign him for 4/60-65……and that would be a terrific piece for them.

  112. Erin November 29th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    YT-I actually don’t know who he was there with (I didn’t have the patience to look through all 26 pictures yet-I don’t know how many he was in) I’m assuming his trainer, as they seem to be an item.

  113. randy l. November 29th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    good morning blake-

    i really like what the yankees did with nova.
    why not keep developing guys like that instead of going after danks or wilson or any other pitcher from some other team?

    by developing their own pitching they create the opportunity to go after a big time right fielder which is something they are not going to produce from their farm system.

    swisher has been fine , but it would be really nice to add a big bat in right field in the next few years.
    then gardner is easy to carry in left field.

    i don’t think with the weakness in other teams that the yankees need to go after someone who is going to cost a lot for the rotation.
    stay the course with developing from within with pitching and catchin. it’s a good program and strategy.

  114. MTU November 29th, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Too bad Blake because MB would be a great replacement for AJ on a 2 yr. deal.

    MB is no longer spectacular but the guy is solid IMO.

  115. Baseball Mogul November 29th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    I think DeRosa would be a good option. Right handed bat that can play the corners. Jersey guy who is older and may be looking for a chance to win. May take a discount to be close to home and have that chance?

    Injury problems will always be a concern though…

  116. MTU November 29th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Randy-

    It’s very possible the Yankees will do just that now that they re-signed Freddy.

    I would love to see them add a 2nd lefty though.

    ;)

  117. jacksquat November 29th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Gary November 29th, 2011 at 7:55 am
    Sorry missed that one. I spent alot of time there and culturally it a much different situation. When she says she is thinking about the family it is sincere, Japanese first priority is always the family, they take care of their parents for example as opposed to throwing them in a nursing home like is done here everyday. I think the article is slanted a bit to what would happen in America as what would happen in Japan. It’s much less about money and Divorce Lawyers getting fat settlements there. Saving face and paying attention to family matters to the Japanese are much more important. Her comments are correct, given those considerations it will be an important decision that will take time to sort out. Persoanlly I don’t think it will hold up the process, money is just not as important over there.

    That’s old, traditional Japan. In this case I doubt it. Saeko is a model and “actress” who Yu’s father publicly criticized as being too wild and dressing inappropriately since becoming married, i.e. not traditional or conservative.

    “Saeko Doll”
    http://ameblo.jp/saeko-doll/

    I would not dismiss the idea at all that it’s being dragged out because of money.

  118. Yankee Trader November 29th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Buehrle made 14M last year, Don’t expect the Yankees to get into a bidding war on him. Garcia mirrored his 2011 season from the right side.

    Might have to wonder if Cashman will be focusing on non tender starting pitchers or other lefty FA pitchers.

    Paul Maholm-cheaper version of Buehrle? Tom Gorzellany was a starter, ending up in the Nats bullpen later in the year. Overall BAA against .258, .157 vs lefties.

    Thoughts?

  119. pat November 29th, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Cervelli developed a lisp this off season? :wink:

    fran_cervelli Madrugando a trabajar ,morning workout ,have a nice thusday

    Grandy will be on WFAN with Boomer and Carton at 9am this morning.

  120. Yankee Trader November 29th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Mark DeRosa latest rumors:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/mark_derosa/

  121. Erin November 29th, 2011 at 8:58 am

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  123. blake November 29th, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Randy,

    Morning…..I don’t disagree…..its all about price though. If they could upgrade the rotation for 2012 and keep the top guys then I wouldn’t mind seeing that……..this may be Mariano’s last year.

    I love what they did with Nova as well…..but there are no guarantees that will happen again and there are no guarantees that Nova will keep stay at this level……I think he can but you never know.

    Basically what Im saying is that they have some excess they can deal if they want to…..and if they can use that to improve now while still looking to the future then that’s the balance you look for.

    PS: whats the word amongst Sox fans on Bobby V?

  124. champ809 November 29th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    I’m so glad the Yanks and Cash have a truer sense of the value of our young players than most of our fans.

    The idea that a 24yr old 6′ 8″ horse who throws 97-98 with a wipeout curve and a plus change is expendable for the likes of Gio Gonzalez or John Danks is ludicrous. Bettances profiles as a Josh Johnson type….

    I wouldn’t even trade him for Garza who btw is a better pitcher than Gio Gonzalez albeit RH.

    I think we can get Garza without having to include any of Bettances, Banuelos, Sanchez or Mason.

  125. MTU November 29th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Catch you all later.

    Have a good one.

    :)

  126. randy l. November 29th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    “PS: whats the word amongst Sox fans on Bobby V?”

    blake-

    i’m down here in miami, so im a little out of touch with cape cod and boston fans.

    however , the last 6 weeks up there, i was kind of a lonely guy. for some reason wherever i went. grocery store, post office, local coffee spot, dump, everyone seemed to leave.

    though the dump seemed to have the most red sox fans hanging out.

    not sure what that means :)

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