Get in depth with Granderson tonight on YES
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Nov 29, 2011 
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Tonight the YES Network is premiering a new show called Yankees Access, and the debut episode centers on Curtis Granderson’s trip to Taiwan. Jack Curry was on the trip, and has footage of Granderson and Robinson Cano playing in the exhibition games, as well as plenty of off-the-field access throughout the trip.
According to a YES Network press release, at one point in tonight’s show, Granderson is seen taking a shot of snake blood (from a snake that was killed and drained right in front of him).
But this is the part I’m guessing you’ll find most interesting. From the press release:
During an on-field demonstration, Granderson shows Curry step-by-step how he and Yankees hitting coach Kevin Long changed the Granderson’s batting stance in August 2010, which led to a tremendous improvement in his offensive output. To help prove a point, Curry shows how easy it is to push over Granderson while he’s in his old stance, and how difficult it is to do so in his new stance.
Every Yankees writer basically spent the season writing about those mechanical changes, but not matter how many times we described them — and quoted both Long and Granderson talking about them — there’s nothing quite like watching Granderson describe the adjustments. Granderson is good at going into detail and explaining stuff like this, so I’m sure it will be worth watching.
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November 29, 2011 at 6:32 pm “Except that your comparison of AJ to Betances is empty of meaning, because you seem to be trying to get one to infer that they have a similar lack of substance as pitchers, that they are all “stuff” and zero pitching DNA – when in fact, they have virtually nothing in common.”
That’s not at all what Im trying to do and I wasn’t comparing Betances to AJ as a pitcher……just making the point that there is more to pitching than having a great arm……it doesn’t go any deeper than that.
“But you are making MAJOR leaps about him, which is why you say out of one side of your mouth that you “like” him, and why, on the other hand, you’ve included him in nearly every fantasy package to get a pitcher that you like.”
You haven’t made great leaps about him? I do like him….that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t trade him in the right deal.
Comet,
Doin great …..growing like a weed.
JAP,
you take my position to the extreme……I never said he wasn’t a very good prospect……and I never said I wanted to ship him out of town for nothing…….and I never compared him to AJ Burnett as a pitcher either……I was comparing him to Banuelos in response to the article you posted……that’s it.
Granderson has hardly had a chance to rest this offseason. He’s been as busy as anyone in the organization.
What a soap opera over in Boston. First the scoop that Valentine is the manager, now discredited. What a mess, but I’m loving every minute.
As per PP, Mendoza said Ravel should be back to 100%. Second time I have read this, and from a different source.
Love all the props for Camarena also. Although it’s early, another lefty to be excited about.
Looking forward to seeing the Grandy batting adjustments on YES.
What? Valentine manager? or not?
Blake, as fans, we’re allowed to have high hopes for a Yankee pitching prospect who has that much promise, no?
I’ll say this – Betances may not reach a Felix-like zenith (and I have never made a serious comparison of the two), but he’ll be an effective starting pitcher in the majors as his ground floor…he’s just got too many weapons…you want to call that a leap, that’s OK by me.
But AJ Burnett??? That’s really assuming the utmost worst, with little information to support it, IMO.
Nah, I think if I didn’t consider you one of the more thoughtful posters on here, and one who refreshingly comes at things with something consistently qualitative to offer, as opposed to the usual numbers crunching, I would probably be less curious.
That’s why I asked that last question of you – just a matter of stuffing a “A” guy in a deal to get your left-hander?
Some baseball executive was quoted a few weeks ago as saying Cashman is like a lion in the weeds, waiting to pounce on the desperate gazelle-like clubs wanting to deal from weakness. His starting lineup is set, and likely very similar to a 95-100 win club without much tweaking at this point.
I could not agree more.
Any deal, if it gets done, will therefore be very much in the Yankees favor. I’m thinking in those terms. That likely means no Betances, Banuelos, Montero in any deal (since by definition it wouldn’t be a steal if one of them were in a deal).
I’m also loving Jack Z open to dealing Smoak. If I were the Japanese owners, I’d be looking quite hard at a new GM.
And no…..I haven’t seen him against live hitting much or as much as you…..but I have seen a lot of video of him and in games 3 or 4 times and enough to get a feel for how he throws the ball……right now he doesn’t repeat all that well and because of his height and length that’s going to be something that’s ever in need of maintenance ……we can say Randy Johnson didn’t find a repwatabke delivery u til late but that’s a very special case and rally not all that relevant.
Look Im just tying to provide some caution to the sky high predictions I see here for the kid….I hope he busts his ceiling wide open
Is the show featuring Grandy on after the Yankees Daily Show?
Pitt Boss BBQ was the Atlanta airport offsite solution. Mmmmm. 3 miles away.
Did blake trade Betances while I was inflight????
Villa
Wires broke it at 6 that Lamont was out, but at 625 Lamont said nobody had called him to tell him anything.
to call that a leap, that’s OK by me.
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But AJ Burnett??? That’s really assuming the utmost worst, with little information to support it, IMO.”
Let me say again…..I wasn’t comparing Betances to AJ Burnett.
JAP,
you take my position to the extreme……I never said he wasn’t a very good prospect……and I never said I wanted to ship him out of town for nothing…….and I never compared him to AJ Burnett as a pitcher either……I was comparing him to Banuelos in response to the article you posted……that’s it.
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Hmmm….but AJ IS really little more than “stuff,” which seemed to be what you intended to be inferred about Betances, who can really pitch. No matter, just baseball. I hope Cashman’s regard for him is closer to mine than yours
. I decided this offseason, though, come what may, I’m not going to get worked up about it.
“That’s why I asked that last question of you – just a matter of stuffing a “A” guy in a deal to get your left-hander?”
No…..everything I post or propose comes with the condition of the price being reasonable. I wouldn’t trade Betances for a year of John Danks……..a lot of folks would.
Did blake trade Betances while I was inflight????
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He’s traded him several times: for Danks, and now for Gio.
blake, OK on Danks, that’s a reversal for you, IIRC.
4 rotation spots available behind CC.
-AJ (signed for two more years)
-Hughes (controlled for two more years)
-Nova (5 years of control)
-Noesi
-Banuelos
-Betances
-Warren
-Phelps
Where does this group slot in behind CC in the coming years? Do AJ and/or Hughes get dumped to give a younger guy an opportunity?
People are confusing what Kenny Williams wants (Betances+) with what anyone here has suggested for Danks. Blake’s proposed Danks trade was Noesi+Romine+Something(phelps?)
JAP,
Find the post where I said id trade Betances for Danks. I said I would for Gio…..but nit Danks.
Look Im just tying to provide some caution to the sky high predictions I see here for the kid….I hope he busts his ceiling wide open
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…. In pinstripes.
Actually what I said Id do for Danks was Romine+ Warren + taking Thornton’s salary. I said this morning that if KW wants Betances then he needs to get real.
Thanks PittsburghYankeeFAn.
blake November 29th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
JAP,
Find the post where I said id trade Betances for Danks. I said I would for Gio…..but nit Danks.
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I recall that. Doesn’t matter, maybe you didn’t and I am misremembering
. If you did or didn’t, I’m not the hunt down the post to prove it type, any how….
blake November 29th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
Actually what I said Id do for Danks was Romine+ Warren + taking Thornton’s salary. I said this morning that if KW wants Betances then he needs to get real.
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yea, no this was a while back that I’m talking about.
“yea, no this was a while back that I’m talking about.”
Like when? I can’t remember but things have changed some…..Danks had a bad year……Betances had a good year. If you asked me a year ago I probably would have because Danks had two years of control and Betances was a year further away……I wouldn’t do it now because that’s not the case anymore.
LGY November 29th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
4 rotation spots available behind CC.
-AJ (signed for two more years)
-Hughes (controlled for two more years)
-Nova (5 years of control)
-Noesi
-Banuelos
-Betances
-Warren
-Phelps
Where does this group slot in behind CC in the coming years? Do AJ and/or Hughes get dumped to give a younger guy an opportunity?
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1. CC – here for the duration. Ace. Veteran. Lefty.
2. AJ – Veteran. Inconsistent. Righty – Gets traded after 2012 if he underperforms again.
3. Hughes – Young. Affordable. Righty. Major Potential. Has won 18 games just 2 years ago. Anything over 16 wins, and he stays long term.
4. Garcia – Veteran. Righty. Saavy. Affordable. Stopgap. Gone after 2012, or earlier depending on trade packaging.
5. Nova – Young. Confident. Righty. If he replicates last season’s 16-win performance, he stays.
Noesi – Young. Unproven. Cheap. Righty – Gone in a hearbeat in the right deal.
Banuelos – Young. Talented. Lefty. Unproven. Cheap – Will get every opportunity to join rotation and stick. Talented Lefties aren’t easy to come by, and when they’re good, they get expensive really fast – See: Cliff Lee, CC, Andy Pettitte.
Betances – Young. Talented. Unproven. Righty. Cheap – But he’s a righty. Dime a dozen. Expendable in the right deal.
Warren/Phelps – see Betances above, but talented with a small t.
Future:
1. CC
2. Hughes
3. Banuelos
4. Nova
5. Fill in the blank.
Any developments in the news front regarding Ainge, Santiago, and Don Kelly ?
I’ll be touching down at SFO in about 4 hours. Please try to come to some Gio/Denks/Betances concensus by then, ok? TIA.
Nick,
Dint hold your breathe
Gordon Edes @GordonEdes
Bobby Valentine will become 45th manager of the Red Sox,according to sources. He is expected here midafternoon Wednesday.
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Let the
fireworks fun begin.No more Sunday night Bobby V
bobby V in boston. How appropriate. Smart guy, but will grate on that team after just a couple years.
Cherington doesn’t even get to choose his own manager. We’ll see how long his tenure will last.
The destruction continues.
I did try to hold by breath, but I’m too bloated from ribs and sweet tea.
Good god. Hughes is barely older than Phelps and Warren.
“I did try to hold by breath, but I’m too bloated from ribs and sweet tea.”
Have you been Nick in SF in Charlotte?
boston media vs. bobby v.
it’s going to be fun to watch.
he drove mets people nuts, boston fans are 10x worse. fireworks in fenway!
No, just a few hours in Atlanta en route from the greater Delmarva area. And now sitting on a delayed flight. And wishing I had just a few more sips of that sweet, sweet tea.
Good god. Hughes is barely older than Phelps and Warren
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Is there cause for panic?
sj ripping bobby on twitter
Omly panix would be with the idiots that seem to think Hughes is over the hill….like the one that said “will they dump Burnett and Hughes to give the young pitchers like Warren and Phelps a chance”. Do you recognize the idiot that said that?
***Only panic*** would be with
Do you recognize the idiot that said that?
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I actually do not but would be interested in reading it.
Can you provide a link to that quote?
Sure…look up your 6:50 PM remarks.
LMAO!!!!
Ok, I looked at my 6:50 remarks but as should be obvious you clearly manipulated what I said and decided to insert Warren + Phelps into my quote (that’s not really how quoting works btw).
Most importantly, I never said Hughes is over the hill or referenced his talent level at all. All I did was propose a simple numbers question.
The Yankees have five rotation spots. CC clearly has one locked down. Because of the many optimistic projections about the Baby Bombers I was curious how people see them all fitting in. There are only 4 spots to go around.
If you want to focus on Hughes, he only has 2 years of team control left. The Yankees need to make a decision on his future in pinstripes soon. Common sense says his hold on a rotation spot with the Yankees is vulnerable in the coming years and the Yankees may trade him or simply move on to give a younger, cheaper pitcher an opportunity.
So yeah I am not sure which idiot you are referring to. Maybe the Yankees can trade Hughes for Drew Stubbs!!
I didn’t manipulate any thing. I’m not the one that listed among others, warren and Phelps (along with Noesi) as being younger than Hughes. Hughes has the experience over those guys and in at most 1 year older than 2 of them.
I’m not the one that listed among others, warren and Phelps (along with Noesi) as being younger than Hughes
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I did?
Unless Hughes wants to go home to California, I don’t see him going anywhere. He’s a starter. Chamberlain is a better target for leaving than Hughes is.
Unless Hughes wants to go home to California, I don’t see him going anywhere. He’s a starter. Chamberlain is a better target for leaving than Hughes is.
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Cool. A real response.
So you see Hughes here long term. That’s two spots with him and CC. I assume you believe Nova has a secure spot in the rotation for the foreseeable future (correct me if I’m wrong). That’s three spots.
How do you see the Yankees filling out the last two spots?
I still believe in Hughes…..but even though he’s only 25 he only has 2 years of control left until he’s a FA. Guys like Warren, Phelps, Noesi, Mitchell etc…..have either 5 or 6. As LGY says….I think they need to see something from Hughes in 2012the and he needs to step up if he wants to remain in pinstripes long term.
LMAO !!
I’ll take more f what Hughes delivered in 2010 and in his starts from July on in 2012, the three bad starts not withstanding. The 2 Oakland games were freaks. They’ve never touched him before. All he needs is health. The rest is on him.
I really enjoyed watching Nova blossom last year, especially after his struggles the first time around. Phil and Joba have both provide us with some memorable moments and stretches. IMO made more special because they are home grown (And yes they are running out of time if they want to stick long term). DRob is just plain awesome to watch pitch.
Betances – Banuelos hell I’m just as excited about seeing the second tier guys get a shot.
Of course if the right deal comes along, at the right time, you make it. But I don’t want to trade for Danks or Gio or Joe Blow. I would rather watch ( and get more enjoyment ) watching the home grown kids a shot.
“Of course if the right deal comes along, at the right time, you make it. But I don’t want to trade for Danks or Gio or Joe Blow. I would rather watch ( and get more enjoyment ) watching the home grown kids a shot.”
That’s a perfectly acceptable viewpoint
Hughes is one thing…..AJ is another. He IS old and he is keeping younger kids from getting a shot…..
NYY did re-sign Josh Romanski, a left handed starter who’s about 24 now and will either stay in the rotation in Trenton or go to the pen. He’s been a very good arm for NY and should be in Scranton (or where ever they play) at the first opening. A good shot for a late season spot if a lefty is needed. Need more from lefty Shaeffer hall this year coming.
Josh Romanski! He’s younger than Hughes. Gotta add him to the list!
blake at 8:40 pm
100% correctomundo. Expensive, inconsistent and old.
Blake, name a pitcher that’s ready to replace Burnett, and then tell me why you’re eating his contract to get him off of the team to play for somebody else at no cost to them.
“Blake, name a pitcher that’s ready to replace Burnett”
Hector Noesi.
“and then tell me why you’re eating his contract to get him off of the team to play for somebody else at no cost to them.”
Because he isn’t any good…..and because he’s probably going to get worse not better. I wouldn’t eat his entire contract…..but I’d eat 2/3 of it to save the remaining 1/3. Same reason the Braves traded Derek Lowe……that ate some money but cut their payroll by 5 million and will give a kid that actually has a chance to get better a shot.
or if they trade for or sign another starter…..Freddy Garcia.
if Burnett’s no good, why would anybody take him? As far as Noesi goes, he’ll be fighting for the 5th spot with Garcia.
“Josh Romanski! He’s younger than Hughes. Gotta add him to the list!”
lol… wash, rinse, repeat.
95% of Yankees players in the minors are either future starters for the Yankees or big time trade chips. Only a matter of time before the usual suspect(s) say that Romanski is better than Garza.
They are giving Garcia $5 mil guaranteed right? Don’t think he is “competing” for anything, especially since he has never had great springs historically.
And, now, Hudson is out and probablt not ready to open the season and Hanson is hurt too. Lowe’s move may or may not hurt them, but, they’re short on experience, unless you count the oft-hurt Jurrjins as experienced.
Nobody said Romanski was better than Garcia, but, being a lefty never hurts. Nobody knows what he’ll do, but, he has a chance with 3 solid pitches and a decent one.
They are giving Garcia $5 mil guaranteed right? Don’t think he is “competing” for anything, especially since he has never had great springs historically.
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Similarly find it pretty unlikely Freddy Garcia took a discount to stay with the Yankees in order to compete with Hector Noesi for a rotation spot.
“if Burnett’s no good, why would anybody take him?”
same reason the Indians took Lowe…..maybe they wouldn’t…..but a misconception is out there that it’s all in AJ’s head and there is probably some organization in the NL or a lesser division that thinks they could fix him and he’d be a useful starter for them.
If the Yankees made it affordable for a team (like 6 or 7 million a year for 2 years)….then maybe teams would have interest…..probably beats giving Edwin Jackson 40+ million if you’re looking for a starter.
“And, now, Hudson is out and probablt not ready to open the season and Hanson is hurt too. Lowe’s move may or may not hurt them”
they viewed Lowe as sunk cost and would rather fill in with Teheran, Minor, Delgado etc where needed…..it was a way to trim payroll also
I think it won’t be too difficult to replace 175 innings of 5.15 ERA ball.
You are aware that there are only THREE qualifiers in all of baseball who had worse ERAs than Burnett right? Penny, Carmona, and Lackey.
If all these young arms in the system are as good as you make them out to be, that should be a pretty easy benchmark to reach, no? 5.15 ERA with lots of innings.
Burnett isn’t going any place until NYYs have a replacement that just adds to the backed up big contracts. No matter how you juggle your numbers to make yourself feel better, NYY is still paying Burnett to pitch for another team and having to pay his replacement.
blake November 29th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
“And, now, Hudson is out and probablt not ready to open the season and Hanson is hurt too. Lowe’s move may or may not hurt them”
they viewed Lowe as sunk cost and would rather fill in with Teheran, Minor, Delgado etc where needed…..it was a way to trim payroll also
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Well, now they’ll get their chance to play a staff full of injuries and rookies while fighting it out in the NL East. The Nats may finish in front of them with the Mets and Marlins closing ground.
“NYY is still paying Burnett to pitch for another team and having to pay his replacement.”
if they traded Burnett for what I’d suggested then it would reduce payroll by 6 million or so for 2012….Noesi will make the league minimum.
Paying him 20 million dollars to pitch for someone else is better than paying him 33 million dollars to pitch badly for the Yankees.
“Well, now they’ll get their chance to play a staff full of injuries and rookies while fighting it out in the NL East.”
did you watch Lowe last year? How would he help?
The Yanks haven’t paid a player to play for somebody else in forever. They won’t start now, even if the have to move him to the bullpen.
“The Yanks haven’t paid a player to play for somebody else in forever. They won’t start now, even if the have to move him to the bullpen.”
Now that may be true…….
The Yankees have 5 starters + Noesi and it does not appear Cashman is done searching for another one.
Something has to give.
But the other team would be paying Burnett 13 million to pitch badly for them (if A.J. doesn’t block the trade to begin with). I don’t see a team paying thy plus a player to try to ‘fix’ him unless that player is also a salary dump. If that’s the case then pass…
The Braves had two pitchers get over 155 innings and Lowe was one of them That bullpen was dragging at the end of the season. Great way to burn up two valuable bullpen arms. Good, bad, or in between, he did give them innings. If they knew Hudson and Hanson would be hurt and one needed back surgery, I doubt that they would have moved Lowe, unless Wren declares this as a rebuilding year.
“But the other team would be paying Burnett 13 million to pitch badly for them ”
I’m not saying they can find a taker…..just saying they should try. There is this perception out there that he’s a head case and that he just can’t pitch in NY…..maybe some organization believes that…..I don’t know
GreenBeret7 November 29th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
The Yanks haven’t paid a player to play for somebody else in forever. They won’t start now, even if the have to move him to the bullpen.
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Try 2006/2007 – See Jaret Wright to the O’s
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=2658959
“Good, bad, or in between, he did give them innings.”
“giving innings” is extremely over valued…..if they are bad innings then it doesn’t help anything….it just makes you lose more games.
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If Hal Steinbrenner was smart, he’d hire Tal Smith to some back in and be his spy and keep tabs on Trost and Levine. Smith is also a shrewd judge of talent, especially given the take of finances he was given to work with.
Paying him 20 million dollars to pitch for someone else is better than paying him 33 million dollars to pitch badly for the Yankees.
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I agree. Yankees can afford to eat salary more than any other ML team. One example being, Igawa, who the Yankees paid millions and got nothing in return.
AJ being paid like a #1/2 and pitching like a 4/5. Basically a .500 pitcher. Dump him if you can.
Royals interested in Colby Rasmus, but not his father. Could a Holland for Rasmus trade be brewing?
I would certainly dump Burnett and I’m sure the Yankees would try/have tried. It’s the two remaining years and the partial ability to block trades (on top of performance and whatever mental issues, real or imagined) that makes it unlikely.
Aj has been awful for the Yankees, after coming off a solid walk season year with the Blue Jays. If brain transplants were even possible, I’m not sure it’d help. He and his wife love NY, and with the partial NTC to 10 teams of his choosing and the fact his wife doesn’t fly from their home near Baltimore, my guess that he’ll be harder to trade now with 2 years left on the contract. Maybe by mid season.